i5 vs i7 (P Series): The Difference Will SHOCK You!

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  • @JustJoshTech
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  • @Abd121
    @Abd121 2 роки тому +19

    ok, that was actually shocking!
    usally the "twist" is that the i5 is better because i7 throttles itself out of the picture!

  • @vmafarah9473
    @vmafarah9473 2 роки тому +33

    Battery life shouldn't be that different, either Intel or dell is playing with their driver software to make i7 look good than i5. 🤢

  • @Lijah578
    @Lijah578 Рік тому +4

    👍🏽Thanks a lot...I can now save my coins! No point in spending $216 for a 3%-7% difference; besides I'm not an gamer.

  • @ucanthavemyname9802
    @ucanthavemyname9802 2 роки тому +406

    I think the more important distinction is what power limit the CPU is. For example, an i5-12600H series (45 watt) will crush a i7-1260p (28 watt) and the core amounts are different. Even stepping higher, the i7-12800HX (55 watt+ and 16 cores) will beat an i9-12900H (45 watt and 14 cores) while technically costing less. So be aware of the power series of the CPU as typically it is more important when comparing different kinds of laptops. If you are looking at strictly i5 vs. i7 in the same laptop, Josh’s advice is the best. Great video!

    • @User-cb4jm
      @User-cb4jm 2 роки тому +27

      Personally I disliked it when they started introducing H series i5s. I felt it complicated the previous set up and made it harder to compare without using benchmarks. Previously you could assume the lowliest i7 will best any i5 (of the same generation). Now we don’t only have to factor in the generation gap but “inconsistencies” within a generation.

    • @HappyHubris
      @HappyHubris 2 роки тому +14

      @@User-cb4jm with laptops, cooking and TDP have always been more important than i5/i7. A poorly cooled device will throttle way below the distinction.

    • @dontreadmyprofilepicture4049
      @dontreadmyprofilepicture4049 2 роки тому

      sup

    • @DaGabbaGangsta
      @DaGabbaGangsta Рік тому

      I have a 1260 p in a hp envy, it chews through everything, and I use cpu intensive real time dsp applications (DAW's, vst, vsti) no fan noise, overheating problems, nothing

    • @nicolafrancis4148
      @nicolafrancis4148 3 місяці тому

      So i7 is better gosh I have watched so many videos still clueless as to what to buy for my beginner programmer

  • @Manuel-rl6um
    @Manuel-rl6um 2 роки тому +58

    You were right Josh, I am shocked haha. Now, it would be interesting to see the difference between the i7-1260P and the i7-1280P which has more cores and probably even better binning :D

  • @HappyHubris
    @HappyHubris 2 роки тому +11

    Some of these results defy sense and suggest testing issues (e.g., battery life differences between the i5/i7). I'd hesitate to make recommendations without more research or evaluating replacement devices.

  • @adriennejones2148
    @adriennejones2148 2 роки тому +11

    I love how you back up your review with hard core data. You ran the numbers, compared the specs and judged the performance in real time. Comparing the exact same computers with only different processors makes the evidence hard to dispute. Thank you so much for this video

    • @RK-um9tu
      @RK-um9tu Рік тому +1

      Too bad he is dead wrong.
      I own the non-OLED Dell XPS 13 Plus i5 model
      I get 13-14 HOURS of continous UA-cam viewing
      50% brightness, battery saver on, all background apps off
      i7 model only gets 10-11 hours

  • @cldpt
    @cldpt 2 роки тому +28

    There is definitely something else at play here: either Intel finally segmented the market with even more segmentation on their chips, or (more likely) Dell's power management IC is the one doing the segmentation. The weird thing is indeed the battery. I wonder if and when unlocks are found (such as from Throttlestop supporting these), if we will find that the i5 is effectively as good under the same thermal constraints these laptops allow.

    • @raylopez99
      @raylopez99 2 роки тому +2

      It was definitely a shocking conclusion in this video. Is this a one-off? Strange indeed. Dell occasionally does weird stuff, I have a used one from 10 years ago with a locked BIOS that on occasion just goes to sleep despite my best efforts to make it always on. Dell power management I think is the culprit. Not a big deal as I got the laptop used for a hundred bucks, pre-pandemic, and am pretty satisfied with it.

    • @mikev324
      @mikev324 2 роки тому +2

      Are you saying Dell's power management makes the i7 look better than the i5? If so can't you make most power settings directly in windows and than i5 would do as good as the i7 tested here?

    • @raylopez99
      @raylopez99 2 роки тому

      @@mikev324 No I think he's saying the power management of the i7 makes it over heat.

    • @donkey7921
      @donkey7921 2 роки тому

      @@raylopez99 it was overheating in a netflix video loop? it was still faster in the speed tests so...

    • @RK-um9tu
      @RK-um9tu Рік тому +2

      What is at play is that he is DEAD WRONG.
      My non-OLED Dell XPS 13 Plus i5 model
      Get 13-14 HOURS of continous UA-cam viewing
      50% brightness, battery saver on, all background apps off
      Which is why I returned the i7 model

  • @markw208
    @markw208 2 роки тому +31

    As a retired test engineer I applaud your methodology. For most laptop manufacturers thermal generation and dissipation are nagging problems which results in power throttling, which results in performance reduction. The gamer laptops and some others have larger heatsinks, heatpipes, fans and better airflow.

    • @johnmadsen37
      @johnmadsen37 2 роки тому

      Yes, this is what limits most mobiles and even desktops. And why they can’t do 6ghz except with liquid nitrogen as a concrete example.
      Even the boosts are misleading as boost quickly exceeds thermal dissipation properties of cooling materials. Even the base clock speed can be not sustainable due to heat.

    • @altayab
      @altayab 2 роки тому +3

      Applaud his methodology? I hope you weren't testing anything important. As a clinical researcher, the standard for what constitutes "evidence" to the everyman is downright frightening. This comparison is laughably unscientific. Throwing around descriptors like “epic” and “walloping” just makes it even more incredulous.
      Performance benchmarks: Average of X runs? Would be important to see performance stability with consecutive runs.
      Temperature and fan noise: “I recorded a CPU max of 100C on both performance modes for both chips, so no difference there.” Missing: clock speed, fan speed, ambient temp, ambient noise, noise measurement distance, equipment, description of what constitutes “full load”.
      Battery life: “Best battery settings, screen 3 notches down for brightness”. Perhaps the most flawed of all the comparisons. Screen brightness should be calibrated using an objective measurement like lumens, not “notches”. Battery life is reported as a percentage when the devices all use different size batteries. What other background tasks/processes could have been running?
      Also, it goes without saying that performance benchmarks are poor indicators of real-world performance. Most users just want a responsive device with good power efficiency. Who cares what the Cinebench score is?
      There is a distinct lack of truly objective and scientific technology reviews. Someone needs to do better.

    • @RK-um9tu
      @RK-um9tu Рік тому +1

      Too bad he is DEAD WRONG.
      I own the non-OLED Dell XPS 13 Plus i5 model
      I get 13-14 HOURS of continous UA-cam viewing
      50% brightness, battery saver on, all background apps off
      i7 model I returned only got 10-11 hours

  • @altayab
    @altayab 2 роки тому +1

    As a clinical researcher, the standard for what constitutes "evidence" to the everyman is downright frightening. This comparison is laughably unscientific. Throwing around descriptors like “epic” and “walloping” just makes it even more incredulous.
    Performance benchmarks: Average of X runs? Would be important to see performance stability with consecutive runs.
    Temperature and fan noise: “I recorded a CPU max of 100C on both performance modes for both chips, so no difference there.” Missing: clock speed, fan speed, ambient temp, ambient noise, noise measurement distance, equipment, description of the load parameters.
    Battery life: “Best battery settings, screen 3 notches down for brightness”. Perhaps the most flawed of all the comparisons. Screen brightness should be calibrated using an objective measurement like lumens, not “notches”. Battery life is reported as a percentage when the devices all use different size batteries. At the very least you should discuss power consumption in terms of Wh or, more practically, total battery runtime under a specified load. What other background tasks/processes could have been running?
    Also, it goes without saying that performance benchmarks are meaningless to most users who just want a responsive device that can stream video and browse the web with good power efficiency. Who cares what the Cinebench score is?
    There is a distinct lack of truly objective and scientific technology reviews. Someone needs to do better.

  • @jonasfermefors
    @jonasfermefors 2 роки тому +7

    I have tried to go a different way - I try to opt for models with an i5 and a Nvidia or AMD graphics card instead of Intel graphics. I find that if makes the PC feel more responsive and I suspect it would offset the gains with the i7. I don't think it matters which AMD/Nvidia card it is but preferably with it's own memory.

  • @dustm4664
    @dustm4664 2 роки тому +4

    That's truly astonishing results. If 12th gen i5 is not 50% cheaper, I don't see the point of buying i5. My laptop runs i7 and it is lightning fast.

  • @sorrowaboutalice
    @sorrowaboutalice 2 роки тому +10

    Regarding battery life - may be it's something with nature of the test itself. I reckon video playback is hardware accelerated and i7 has more iGPU compute units. Can it be that i7 runs more efficient somehow because of this?
    May be some other test, not the video playback, would give other results.

    • @kappamomondo1038
      @kappamomondo1038 2 роки тому +1

      According to Hardware Canucks, the fault is due to Windows 11 not taking advantage of the efficiency cores. In the XPS 15, they implemented a BIOS hotfix for this

    • @sorrowaboutalice
      @sorrowaboutalice 2 роки тому +3

      @@kappamomondo1038 hmm... I'm talking about difference in battery life between i5 and i7 - latter last longer with video playback test. I think issues with using right cores should be identical for i5 and i7 and does not affect this particular scenario.

    • @RK-um9tu
      @RK-um9tu Рік тому

      Maybe he is DEAD WRONG
      I own the non-OLED Dell XPS 13 Plus i5 model
      I get 13-14 HOURS of continous UA-cam viewing
      50% brightness, battery saver on, all background apps off
      i7 got 10-11 hours, so I returned it

  • @lenzielenski3276
    @lenzielenski3276 2 роки тому +1

    You are all missing the biggest point. Most operations take fractions of a second, so, for arguments sake, let's take an application that takes 1 second to open. A "massive 19% faster" means it takes .8 seconds instead. Is that even perceptible? For most people the answer is NO. Now take more common functions that take tenths or hundredths of a second and knock off 19%. See where this is going? There are very, VERY few tasks that will get perceptibly faster with a geewhizbang new faster processor. Exceptions are for those tasks that can be measured in minutes. CAD rendering, large program compiling, multitrack audio processing, video rendering and the like. Then, if a task drops from an hour to 49 minutes you're more likely to notice. The rest is just industry hype to get you to watch videos (because that's how the creators make money) and buy new hardware you don't need because that's how manufacturers make THEIR money. As a general consumer, unless a given "upgrade" is 100% faster than your existing hardware, you'll barely notice a difference if at all (other than the initial, oh its new isn't this wonderful placebo effect). Ask anyone who got a new computer between a week and a month ago if its as "blazing fast" as when it was brand new. The answer is most likely NO. The shine has worn off and you're back to the same old same old. Save your money, take a vacation instead.

    • @JustJoshTech
      @JustJoshTech  2 роки тому

      I like this comment. It really depends what you are doing on the computer and how frequently you upgrade as to whether it's worth it or not. Generally I do agree most new Tech is over hyped

    • @freedomgegelaplace3638
      @freedomgegelaplace3638 2 роки тому

      I understand. What concers me is the battery life. Wanted a i5 but I am scared now.

  • @russellandrady
    @russellandrady Рік тому

    Please do this review for 13th gen too. There are rumers that says 13th gen processors use more power.

  • @IosifViorelMila
    @IosifViorelMila 2 роки тому +23

    Glad to see your results. This was not the case in your previous tests from last year, when the i7 was actually worse than the i5. It seems Intel improved a lot with its new performance cores+power efficient cores. AMD still beats the integrated Intel Xe graphics. Can't wait some laptop reviews with the new AMD Ryzen 6600U and 6800U + the new RDNA2 integrated graphics.

  • @thomas1699
    @thomas1699 Рік тому

    I recently bought an Acer Aspire 5, i-5, with Iris Graphics and a 14" display. It came with 8 GB of DDR 4 RAM. I immediately upgraded 1st to 12 GB and then to 20 GB of RAM. And I installed 1TB SATA SSD. The laptop boots to Log-In screen in 10 seconds. With 12 GB of RAM Windows Performance Monitor showed 45% of resources used at idle. Now with 20 GB or RAM, Performance Monitor shows only 25% of resources used. At any rate, it does everything that I could ask of it, even in two different languages. Cheers. I like my Core i-5.

  • @vaneliot
    @vaneliot 2 роки тому +8

    I wonder if the differences in thermals and battery life would still be in the favor of the i7 if there's a dedicated GPU involved (e.g. RTX3050).

  • @theinktician
    @theinktician 2 роки тому +4

    Considering how close the i5 and i7 in the 11th gen (especially in the HP Envy series), i think something fishy going on in the 12th gen i5 chips

  • @N_M_156
    @N_M_156 Рік тому +1

    Why do people tell me that i7 processors get hot and then throttle to i5 speeds?... Any thoughts?...

  • @IAmADog23
    @IAmADog23 2 роки тому +24

    I would love to see if this comparison holds up with the processors in the 9315 version of the xps 13 (i5-1230U and i7-1250U)

    • @cityguyable
      @cityguyable Рік тому +1

      Have you found any comparisons?

  • @randallthomas5207
    @randallthomas5207 Рік тому

    Get a good USB 3, docking station, and a dorm fridge. Punch a hole through the side of the fridge, and run the cord to the docking station. If the laptop generates heat the fridge cools it off. You can run the machine as hardcore as the settings let you, and grind some data.

  • @sullyFL
    @sullyFL 2 роки тому +1

    Why didn't you test with a u-series i5? The stated power draws for it much lower than the i5p, which has the same stated power draw as the i7p.

  • @tnetroP
    @tnetroP 2 роки тому +3

    Are the screen panels exactly the same? More expensive laptops often come with higher quality panels. In the case of panels this could mean a lower power consumption such as one of the newer low power panels. e.g. on Thinkpads you can often specify them with different panels at build time; one of those is a low power option. I don't just mean resolution but actual manufacturer and model affecting the power consumption.

  • @mukhtarp9218
    @mukhtarp9218 2 роки тому +2

    Yes, I got a 1260P laptop. I paid £300 more but I knew it was the better choice over the 11th gen i5 chip

    • @_reZ
      @_reZ 2 роки тому +1

      It was 12th gen like the i7 tho

    • @mukhtarp9218
      @mukhtarp9218 2 роки тому

      @@_reZ regardless, but it is still newer technology by 2 years. And the specs and data sheet shows it’s a better processor

    • @_reZ
      @_reZ 2 роки тому +1

      @@mukhtarp9218 m8 are you ok? A 2 year gap in processor technology means that you think you are comparing 10th gen VS 12th gen. This is not the case. The i5 is fine for its cheaper price point, and yes the i7 would be more powerful then it, but like an i9 would be better (all in th esame p series in the comparison).

    • @mukhtarp9218
      @mukhtarp9218 2 роки тому

      @@_reZ what’s wrong with u u brokie? Just because u can’t afford it don’t hate on people who can. U little m0ng. Go sit down with ur 7th gen processor running windows xp

    • @mukhtarp9218
      @mukhtarp9218 2 роки тому

      @@_reZ and stop liking ur own comments u 🤡 🤡 🤡

  • @aleneri8086
    @aleneri8086 Рік тому +1

    Do you think I can apply there resilts for 13th gen

  • @vmafarah9473
    @vmafarah9473 Рік тому

    8:32, you may check the battery life by putting same value for Intel speed shift in throttle stop. May be it's value is put higher to make i7 look good .

  • @tHe0nLyNeXuS
    @tHe0nLyNeXuS 2 роки тому +2

    The difference in RAM timings might result in a wide gap for memory intensive tasks, such as iGPU testing.

  • @MadalinIgnisca
    @MadalinIgnisca 2 роки тому +1

    I don't find it fair to compare to Apple Macbook Pro, which is almost double the price for similar specs. I have an older XPS, the 9310 with 4k oled screen, 16gb of ram, which costed 1400 euros, and m1 macbook pro similar specs was around 2300. I will keep on Dell XPS, with i7, changing it when current one becomes really used. PS, my battery still allows me almost a full day of work on it.

  • @ZiggyMercury
    @ZiggyMercury 2 роки тому +4

    Fantastic video. You're my favorite laptop reviewer, in part because I find you to focus on the most important things.

  • @Nonplused1
    @Nonplused1 Рік тому

    If you want Excel to calc fast though, clock speed is the biggest thing. Excel is shitty at using multiple cores for anything other than saving, graphs, peaks, etc., true separate processes that can be sent to a different processor. For actual calculations, clock speed is all that really matters. Faster memory also helps a bit.

  • @time2go465
    @time2go465 2 роки тому +3

    Wait, do the battery life results apply to R5 to R7 laptop comparisons? I bought a R5 5500u specifically because I was hoping I could get some benefit over the R7 5700u on the battery side.

    • @JustJoshTech
      @JustJoshTech  2 роки тому +6

      Those are completely different CPUs. You cannot assume any of these findings translate to Ryzen CPUs. That being said, that would make for a great video. If i can get to 6000 U series CPUs i'll do it

    • @time2go465
      @time2go465 2 роки тому +3

      ​@@JustJoshTech Yeah, I thought so too. Sites such as Notebookcheck have shown inconsistent results on R5 and R7 battery life comparisons (a sub 10% difference between R5 and R7, either one being on top). Still, their most direct test on the Yoga 6 13s seem to show R5 being on top, so that's where my bet fell.
      Core count's relation to battery life is really interesting to discuss though, especially since there's a lot more to it than a linear gain/loss, and I'm happy to say that this video's investigation of it was excellent. Looking forward for the next one!

  • @olegdmitriev2810
    @olegdmitriev2810 2 роки тому +2

    I stuck my fingers in a plug socket and the result shocked me

  • @psdaengr911
    @psdaengr911 2 роки тому

    If you have a necessary non-gaming application that pushes a laptop that hard, I'd like to know what you do for a living. $150 doesn't sound like a lot to some people, but for many it's what they spend for a weeks groceries. A dedicated video player and game console would cost a fraction, would be more cost effective for continuously playing movies and games, and the power savings would be enough for family-sized displays.

  • @thecheesybagel8589
    @thecheesybagel8589 2 роки тому

    are there any other sources that find this same thing? i actually can't even find anyone else comparing 12th gen i5 vs i7 in laptops

  • @fineman1064
    @fineman1064 2 роки тому

    5:30 what did u say about intel igpu?
    maan
    im playing doom eternal on my i5 1135g7

  • @CryoseGaming
    @CryoseGaming Рік тому

    did you investigate the battery difference any further then running the test again? feels very odd that 2 supposedly identical battery's can preform so differently even with the upgraded cpu

  • @tapasighosh1607
    @tapasighosh1607 3 місяці тому

    at 0:01 what laptops are those

  • @dimitriasimov2140
    @dimitriasimov2140 2 роки тому +2

    Shoutout to our guy giving us this video, even though he's got the virus and is tired. The same defectuous temperatures found in Dell XPS laptops. I don't get why Dell is not able to keep the temperatures under a decent value, but other people who are creating custom cooling (vaper chamber, for example), solutions for their laptops can. As for the i5 and i7, I find it a shame to have 4C/8T these days, given that AMD since the 4000 series gave 6C/12T on a cpu efficient laptop. Plus, I'd go all the way for the i7, no question about it. But only on XPS 17, who can mentain kinda decent temps.

  • @nathan7128
    @nathan7128 2 роки тому +3

    Hey, do you think these results would be similar when comparing i5-1230U with i7-1250U (processors of the Dell XPS 13 9315) ? Are you planning on comparing them ?

  • @a4andrei
    @a4andrei 2 роки тому +7

    My first though was silicon lottery: the i7 is a higher binned CPU and is overall more efficient. Although I don't expect it would make such a big difference so maybe there is something else going on. Still, you'd need a bigger sample size to check this out. Maybe Intel or Dell are intentionally messing with these i5 CPUs, that would not surprise me either.

  • @ramanathan7823
    @ramanathan7823 2 роки тому +2

    Sir please give your review on M2 air. My mom only trusts your review. Your accent and slow crisp vocabulary are amazing for non native English speakers.

    • @JustJoshTech
      @JustJoshTech  2 роки тому +2

      Thats too kind. I have ordered one. Its likely this month the review or early next

    • @ramanathan7823
      @ramanathan7823 2 роки тому +1

      @@JustJoshTech love and regards from Malaysia.

  • @amanieux
    @amanieux 2 роки тому +1

    makes no sense why an i5-1240p uses more battery than the i7-1260p , the only possible explanation is that ram uses a lot of power and the bigger cache of i7 limits ram access, has someone another explanation ?

  • @Ni1234ckA
    @Ni1234ckA 2 роки тому +1

    DID YOU TEST THE 2022 MODELS OR THE OLDER ONES SINCE BOTH MODELS ARE AVAILABLE?

  • @alfredoaraujo9294
    @alfredoaraujo9294 2 роки тому +1

    I notice the framework laptop and what looks like an Asus zephyrus laptop behind you. Have you done a video on that Asus laptop if it is the 2022 version?

    • @JustJoshTech
      @JustJoshTech  2 роки тому +3

      Nope, but the next video has it in there

    • @alfredoaraujo9294
      @alfredoaraujo9294 2 роки тому +1

      @@JustJoshTech I'll be excited to see it!!!

  • @nwlondonman
    @nwlondonman 2 роки тому

    Which display did those two units have - interested to know given battery life - was that the 3.5k oled?

  • @hamileo
    @hamileo 2 роки тому

    what would you recommend for a semi rugged business laptop?

  • @JNPUS
    @JNPUS Рік тому

    You are using Dell XPS 13 Plus in your demo of i5 Vs i7. While 12th Gen i5 has comparable performance to i7, you don't get 32GB RAM with i5 in Dell XPS 13 Plus and you cannot upgrade it later as the RAM is soldered on the mainboard.

  • @MegaAdeny
    @MegaAdeny 2 роки тому +2

    You got the 2022 Zephyrus G14 in the studio?! Can't wait for your review! Feels like nobody has done it properly since the thing came out, but I know you will.

    • @ibrahimsoualhi7735
      @ibrahimsoualhi7735 2 роки тому

      Jarrod's Tech, Ben G Kaiser, among others have already fully reviewed the 2022 model of the g14. Their videos are up if you wanna have a look, they're nice.

    • @JustJoshTech
      @JustJoshTech  2 роки тому +2

      I know Jarrod pretty well and 100% respect his review. But I think i do hope I have something additive that will be worth watching ;)

    • @nightwing8666
      @nightwing8666 2 роки тому

      @@JustJoshTech hey! He has the 6800s 32gig version there is virtually no video for the 6700s which is way more reasonable in price. Which model do u have?

  • @popokatapetl6995
    @popokatapetl6995 2 роки тому

    Josh is this a case with xps 15 new model as well, cause there is $300 differences between i5 and i7

  • @zircoben
    @zircoben 2 роки тому +8

    The power consumption of the M1 Pro is really spectacular. Truly best in class.

    • @akin242002
      @akin242002 2 роки тому +1

      Macbook M1 Pro is the best laptop for Java developers and Javascript front-end web developers. Sprinkle in Python for AWS.

  • @spark9_
    @spark9_ 2 роки тому +1

    Never thought I'd see Logic review laptops

  • @MatthewHashim
    @MatthewHashim 2 роки тому +2

    Josh, I'm thinking of ordering an XPS 13 Plus with the 1280P processor, maxed specs, but full HD touch panel. I have a 3070 Ti eGPU and 40" Dell 5K2K monitor when docked and want good battery life when mobile. I use office productivity and some stats packages. Mac is out of the question for me due to software constraints. Thoughts? Or other recommendations?

    • @feedmytv
      @feedmytv 2 роки тому

      was in similar thoughts though less maxed out. i like a 24 u series dell screen and i was thinking of getting the touch hd screen too max out on mobility batt life. i dont expect to see the difference that much on 13”

    • @MatthewHashim
      @MatthewHashim 2 роки тому

      @@feedmytv I ended up getting it fully loaded and with the OLED panel. I haven't really tested the battery life but I do know it is better than my 2018 XPS 13 with 4K panel. Performance is great, especially when docked with the 3070 Ti eGPU. I'll do some testing as I have some travel coming up next month.

    • @andrewjazdzyk1215
      @andrewjazdzyk1215 Рік тому

      Any updates? I just ordered the xps 13 plus with the 1360, (32 ram) and I'm hopeful it was a good purchase. I have a similar use case where I require a decent amount of compute power for bioinformatics, but a lot of software out there doesn't play nice with apple.

    • @MatthewHashim
      @MatthewHashim Рік тому

      @@andrewjazdzyk1215 not really any updates. I use it daily, usually docked to the eGPU and external monitor. I believe I have a software issue leading to some performance dips and will reload Windows in the next month. I temporarily had a sound issue that ended up being a driver update. Screen is beautiful, performance is overall great. It does get hot but again I think I have a software issue that will help both that and battery life. Still an amazing looking laptop.

  • @patrick.771
    @patrick.771 2 роки тому

    Was this also the case with the old i5-1135 and i7-1165 CPUs? (that the i7 is quieter and has better battery life)

  • @stevelesnyak3331
    @stevelesnyak3331 2 роки тому +3

    Hi Josh, thanks for your videos, really quality content. Have you ever experienced any issues with a sleep mode in XPS laptops? I.e. with Windows modern standby on Dell laptops? When you close the lid, put it in a backpack, then get it out in a few hours and find it extremely hot and with a drained battery? If yes, do you have any piece of advise on that front?

    • @JustJoshTech
      @JustJoshTech  2 роки тому

      Not on the latest one. I know what you are talking about. Used to occasionally happen to me, but not for ages

  • @Joe-fh9dr
    @Joe-fh9dr 2 роки тому +1

    Are we getting a review of the new G14 soon?

  • @mrscf4447
    @mrscf4447 4 місяці тому +1

    Which one is better?
    i5 120U or i7 150U ?

  • @apexresidences6815
    @apexresidences6815 Рік тому

    Would you say the same things comparing the i5 versus i7 chips if in the much larger xps 17's instead of these xps 13's?

  • @leocompany
    @leocompany Рік тому

    You can do not only basic but also advanced video editing on the iris xe igpus thats literally the reason for their existence besides the uhd series

  • @PoliticalMatter
    @PoliticalMatter 2 роки тому

    This is the question you need to answer on every intel generation.
    Power: Performance
    Weight
    Build quality
    Hot or cold temps to use
    Battery life
    Great work!

  • @Salah-qu4cs
    @Salah-qu4cs 2 роки тому +1

    How is the i7 drawing more power and draining less battery at the same time?!

  • @marsonionita
    @marsonionita 2 роки тому +2

    Hi Josh. Any idea why Dell is pushing the i7-1260P on sale at a lower price than the i5-1240P on XPS Plus 13" (same config.)? The difference is huge: $1399 for i7 vs $1709 for i5.

    • @JustJoshTech
      @JustJoshTech  2 роки тому +1

      No idea. But obv get the i7 at that price. Same screen????

    • @marsonionita
      @marsonionita 2 роки тому

      @@JustJoshTech Yes. 13.4", FHD+ 1920 x 1200, 60Hz, Touch, Anti-Glare, 500 nit, InfinityEdge

  • @merrilldavis8942
    @merrilldavis8942 2 роки тому

    Would there be the same differences on the new XPS 15? I’m looking to buy one but I don’t know much about computers

  • @ashar8192
    @ashar8192 2 роки тому +2

    The i7 U/P has 16 more EU in the iGPU compared to the i5, so that would explain the better graphics performance

    • @ashar8192
      @ashar8192 2 роки тому

      Okay the battery life difference is unexplainable lol

    • @ucanthavemyname9802
      @ucanthavemyname9802 2 роки тому +2

      @@ashar8192 not really. Allow me to explain. Basically, the i7 and i5 have the same core layout for the 1260p and 1240p. The difference is that the clock speeds of the i6’t are lower. Now, what chip makers normally do is used binned CPUs for their lower tier products. So the i5 in this case is likely a binned i7 that couldn’t reach high enough clocks meaning it is less efficient. Partner that with the binned iGPU hence the lower EU and you have your answer. The i5 needs to use more power to achieve the same clocks in light loads and/or is simply less efficient due to inferior silicon.

    • @andyH_England
      @andyH_England 2 роки тому +2

      @@ucanthavemyname9802 Yes, the i5 are the rejects, not up to making the i7 cut and depending on the 12th-gen yield rate and the quality cut-off, those i5 chips could be bad or good, or average. Much like why many people have a crap Exynos experience whilst others say their Exynos s22 is great. Intel rushed the 12th-gen due to Apple stamping all over them so they are def a work in progress and MS is still unable to use those efficiency cores effectively. Even getting that power, it is mainly brute force with many threads just trying to match Apple. I am giving the 12th gen a miss and hopefully Intel will give up on this so far failed release and give us the next-gen ASAP. I am sure Intel will get there in the end but the 12th-gen is not the one.

    • @ucanthavemyname9802
      @ucanthavemyname9802 2 роки тому +3

      @@andyH_England to be fair every company does this as yield rates are not 100%. Even Apple does this with their binned M series chips. I actually think 12th gen is very good but I’m only interested in H series chips which give you really high levels of performance. I would rather have a slightly heavier laptop for the huge performance increase personally.

    • @andyH_England
      @andyH_England 2 роки тому +1

      @@ucanthavemyname9802 Indeed, binned is universal, buy yield varies, for example Exynos is 30%, SD8G1 was about 37% whilst Apple Silicon is about 70%. You can easily conclude the 70% translates to better quality than 30%, though I am unsure of the 12th-gen yield.
      I agree with the H-chips, if purge performance is your thing then Intel give it in spades. With proper cooling, as MSI showed, you get a real beast that even Apple cannot compete with. But these are ultrabooks and that is a different story, ergo, battery life is just as important.

  • @kamalnathkanthimathinathan1473
    @kamalnathkanthimathinathan1473 2 роки тому

    Can you do a video comparing latest i7 & rizen 7 processors as well?

  • @AliZamin
    @AliZamin 2 роки тому

    What's about H series intel i5 & i7 processor for laptop?

  • @ritchiechua6193
    @ritchiechua6193 2 роки тому

    Which is better, the Lenovo Yoga 9i or the Dell xps 13 plus after you have reviewed and used both longer now?

  • @BLUERAY1611
    @BLUERAY1611 2 роки тому +1

    I made up my mind to buy i7.
    Thank you so much.

  • @AhmadQ.81
    @AhmadQ.81 2 роки тому

    So you mean there's architecture difference rather than clock speed between both i5 and i7 or you have explanation? but nice you did this test. for some older gen. the difference was tiny as I remember like my nuc 8

  • @mohdjibly6184
    @mohdjibly6184 2 роки тому

    Great review...thanks Josh

  • @kingofkors
    @kingofkors 9 місяців тому

    My i7-6600u idles at 35-40 degrees, i5-8250u idles at 55. Stress test is 60 for i7, 70 for i5. I guess either it's because the i5 has two extra cores, or they set i5 fan speed to allow higher temperature. For me, lower temp translate to stability, and reliability. Although it's two generations older, still relying on the i7-6600 for most daily tasks.

  • @fftechsupport
    @fftechsupport 2 роки тому +1

    I wonder what happened to i5? I'm having a hard time to believe that i5 had worse battery life than the i7

  • @jadhal6649
    @jadhal6649 2 роки тому +1

    Sir you compair intel p processor's integrated gpu
    Such as 12 gen i5 p
    Processor
    If you take i 7 12700 h
    And i5 12500h
    The intigrated gpu can do fast work.?
    Or p and h cpu has same intigrated gpu.?

  • @neorandy
    @neorandy Рік тому

    Upon Dell support telling me that my Java needed upgrading after telling them that the numeric processing failed a simple test, I have never considered a Dell, again.

  • @david029014
    @david029014 2 роки тому

    I'm on the fence with lg gram, go with i5 or i7???

  • @ydickmann
    @ydickmann Рік тому

    Hi, what will be the trade off, battery consumptionn / process performance, of i7U VS i7P?

  • @91lovemusic
    @91lovemusic 2 роки тому

    Any recommendations laptop good for graphic design students?

  • @JinayDeliwala
    @JinayDeliwala 2 роки тому

    I recently bought Dell XPS 13+ UHD+, i5, 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, and I returned it after 5 days. My total usage in those 5 days was not more than 1-1:30 hours. Reason being extremely pathetic (poor would still be better) battery life, my usage didn’t even include consuming media content yet. It included web browsing and some work on word and battery drained a lot like 1%-1.5% every minute.
    If you think UHD resolution is the reason then think again because I had kept it at 720p and around 30% or 30 points of brightness and as per “experts” resolution doesn’t matter to battery life apparently but still battery was in no mood to co-operate.
    I took it to the vendor and he tried updating it and doing all sorts of magic stuff but could only extract 2-2.5 of battery life.
    So if you’re planning to buy this laptop then please don’t. It’s not even for a person who uses it for everyday work and for mild entertainment forget about creators.
    Pro: Design is beautiful
    Con: The whole above mentioned review which outweighs the pros.
    Please Don’t go straight for the expert reviewers opinion because they receive complementary review models (which might be good) and have got nothing to lose whereas you do. Extremely disappointed with Dell.

  • @shehryariqbal4073
    @shehryariqbal4073 2 роки тому

    Which laptop is best for programming windows desktop apps and using high cpu/ram visual studio etc. In 2022

  • @juan2yajna
    @juan2yajna Рік тому

    What are your thoughts on the 1270p processor? I ordered Dell XPS 13 plus 1270p, 32gb ram, and 1tb, windows 11. Thanks!

  • @darkzak47
    @darkzak47 2 роки тому +1

    This is great now all we need is for Lenovo to actually market some of their legion laptops instead of just promising us that they’re coming. It’s now almost August and haven’t heard or seen anything from them, particularly Legion 7i

    • @cameronbosch1213
      @cameronbosch1213 2 роки тому +1

      It’s out ;)

    • @darkzak47
      @darkzak47 2 роки тому

      @@cameronbosch1213 insert Homer Simpson reply here

  • @sebastiandk9575
    @sebastiandk9575 2 роки тому

    Fantastic video! Would you consider doing one for h series laptops?

  • @jameshaviland6183
    @jameshaviland6183 Рік тому

    I am in the market for a desktop, not a laptop. Are results similar?

  • @gabox01
    @gabox01 2 роки тому +2

    This was very informative. I'd love to see a comparison for the U series.

    • @JustJoshTech
      @JustJoshTech  2 роки тому

      Good point. U series were hard to get this year. I only had 2 or 3 with it I think, and they came later in the year

  • @donalexey
    @donalexey 2 роки тому +1

    I used 2 ThinkPad's yesterday, one with Ryzen 7 pro 5850U and another with intel i7-5600U. And you know, not that much difference for office / home user tasks.

    • @Tiralful
      @Tiralful Рік тому

      Not really. Most people can buy a much older computer and as long as it has an ssd you’re probably absolutely fine. I usually recommend people get an Intel 8250u/Ryzen 4500u because the 7 to 8 Intel generations was huge as was the 3000 to 4000 Ryzen. Newer than that the 12th gen is a huge leap over the 11th gen Intel and The 6000 is a good jump over the 5000 for Ryzen.

  • @Sam-ch4jh
    @Sam-ch4jh 2 роки тому

    Not all the software use the multiple cores except the OS which is not known by many. Only few sofware which require intensive CPU uses additional core explicitly.
    I always sugges to stick with i5 instead of spending more in getting i7 without having these metrics, thank you for these.

  • @Javadamutt
    @Javadamutt 2 роки тому +5

    I'm gonna guess it is a binning issue. The specs of the i5 vs the i7 would make me thing the i5 is an i7 that couldn't hit those frequencies within Intels desired power envelope. The i5 likely requires slightly more voltage when turbo kicks in pushing it outside its efficiency window. Simply the i7 is a better piece of silicon.
    I would also point out that Intels turbo is very ham fisted in its approach to getting max speed. It tends to crank voltages and produce more heat than necessary. Of there was some way in manually controlling the voltages you could in theory set better values for when the processor turbos getting lower heat generated and less battery usage for the same performance (maybe increased performance as it can turbo for longer)

  • @ejdo1276
    @ejdo1276 Рік тому

    Is it better to get the i7-1260p with iris Xe or an i5-1240p with mx570 for the same price?

  • @MrAkaacer
    @MrAkaacer 2 роки тому +1

    Yeah mate, the iGPU for intel is mainly for Quick Sync. Stop comparing stuff that shouldn't be compared.

  • @carsoncarswell3253
    @carsoncarswell3253 2 роки тому

    I want to get the HP spectre x360 16 12th gen. And I am wondering if the intel arc a370m is good for my personal tasks such as college / microsoft word, excel, powerpoint work. Searching the web with 5 to 10 tabs open. Watching youtube, nextflix etc all day. Maybe some light video editing and basic entry level coding. Would this laptop get it done??

  • @nasdoc1
    @nasdoc1 2 роки тому

    Thanks for a very important comparison. Great video and very important information.

  • @Antiorganizer
    @Antiorganizer Рік тому +1

    In many cases the i7 will do about 25-33% better than a i5, but only if you load up all the cores with back to back work. And that does not happen most of the time.
    Single core or "few" core performance ends up often being the same between the i5 and i7.
    Save your money.
    Also, I see DELL here. Get 8GB and 2x16GB sticks elsewhere, and you end up with 32 gigs for the price of 16, lol.

    • @Antiorganizer
      @Antiorganizer Рік тому

      ... note though that the 8GB version does not come with Iris graphics, so graphics wise it's slow.
      The 16GB comes with Iris graphics.
      However, this could change as DELL might change configs from time to time.

  • @ahmadfairuzyunus
    @ahmadfairuzyunus 2 роки тому

    Intel iris is not good for video editing @premiere pro??

  • @iamtheZanewrestling1review
    @iamtheZanewrestling1review 2 роки тому +1

    great video josh thanks i hope you will do ryzen 6000u series laptops i understand linux runs very well on them well i hope they do i want to buy one by the end of the year

  • @popokatapetl6995
    @popokatapetl6995 2 роки тому

    I am wondering does xps 15-9520 new one do the same

  • @XMehun
    @XMehun Рік тому

    Great video, said what needed to be said and no bullsh*t, Subbed👍

  • @ΑνδρέαςΠ-ι9ε
    @ΑνδρέαςΠ-ι9ε 2 роки тому

    Excellent research!

  • @Crashed131963
    @Crashed131963 2 роки тому

    Ryzen 5-5600u The top bang for the buck laptop cpu right now.
    These laptops are Selling for $800 US as of fall of 2022.
    This processor has a Radeon RX Vega 7 integrated graphics card with 7 CUs at up to 1800 MHz.
    Best onboard graphics if your not getting a dedicated card.

  • @davidwayne9982
    @davidwayne9982 2 роки тому

    HOW similar do you think that would be for a TOWER??? i have an i7- 3770 model is optiplex 9010 and LOVe it--- but if I can do cheaper on i5 but keep close to the same performance.. then being on SS I can do that.