i5 vs i7 (P Series): The Difference Will SHOCK You!
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I think the more important distinction is what power limit the CPU is. For example, an i5-12600H series (45 watt) will crush a i7-1260p (28 watt) and the core amounts are different. Even stepping higher, the i7-12800HX (55 watt+ and 16 cores) will beat an i9-12900H (45 watt and 14 cores) while technically costing less. So be aware of the power series of the CPU as typically it is more important when comparing different kinds of laptops. If you are looking at strictly i5 vs. i7 in the same laptop, Josh’s advice is the best. Great video!
Personally I disliked it when they started introducing H series i5s. I felt it complicated the previous set up and made it harder to compare without using benchmarks. Previously you could assume the lowliest i7 will best any i5 (of the same generation). Now we don’t only have to factor in the generation gap but “inconsistencies” within a generation.
@@User-cb4jm with laptops, cooking and TDP have always been more important than i5/i7. A poorly cooled device will throttle way below the distinction.
sup
I have a 1260 p in a hp envy, it chews through everything, and I use cpu intensive real time dsp applications (DAW's, vst, vsti) no fan noise, overheating problems, nothing
You were right Josh, I am shocked haha. Now, it would be interesting to see the difference between the i7-1260P and the i7-1280P which has more cores and probably even better binning :D
Fantastic video. You're my favorite laptop reviewer, in part because I find you to focus on the most important things.
Thanks for this video, Josh! I hope you could still do videos like this for the other laptops you're gonna review in the future (that is, if you could get to test both i5 and i7; or Ryzen 5/7, etc.). Cheers!
Battery life shouldn't be that different, either Intel or dell is playing with their driver software to make i7 look good than i5. 🤢
I love how you back up your review with hard core data. You ran the numbers, compared the specs and judged the performance in real time. Comparing the exact same computers with only different processors makes the evidence hard to dispute. Thank you so much for this video
Too bad he is dead wrong.
I own the non-OLED Dell XPS 13 Plus i5 model
I get 13-14 HOURS of continous UA-cam viewing
50% brightness, battery saver on, all background apps off
i7 model only gets 10-11 hours
I have tried to go a different way - I try to opt for models with an i5 and a Nvidia or AMD graphics card instead of Intel graphics. I find that if makes the PC feel more responsive and I suspect it would offset the gains with the i7. I don't think it matters which AMD/Nvidia card it is but preferably with it's own memory.
I wonder if the differences in thermals and battery life would still be in the favor of the i7 if there's a dedicated GPU involved (e.g. RTX3050).
Some of these results defy sense and suggest testing issues (e.g., battery life differences between the i5/i7). I'd hesitate to make recommendations without more research or evaluating replacement devices.
Thanks for your great review of those processors and stay well, Josh!
This is a great video and a fair comparison assessment.
I'm a Windows 10, Azure, GCP, and data analysis kind of guy. Thus, the i-7 with Windows 10 is my choice. Especially using Dell Lattitude 7420.
Thanks for a very important comparison. Great video and very important information.
Very insighful video Josh! Would love it if you could make a video about the 2022 Zephyrus G14 and G15 laptops!
This was very informative. I'd love to see a comparison for the U series.
Good point. U series were hard to get this year. I only had 2 or 3 with it I think, and they came later in the year
Hi Josh, thanks for your videos, really quality content. Have you ever experienced any issues with a sleep mode in XPS laptops? I.e. with Windows modern standby on Dell laptops? When you close the lid, put it in a backpack, then get it out in a few hours and find it extremely hot and with a drained battery? If yes, do you have any piece of advise on that front?
Not on the latest one. I know what you are talking about. Used to occasionally happen to me, but not for ages
great video josh thanks i hope you will do ryzen 6000u series laptops i understand linux runs very well on them well i hope they do i want to buy one by the end of the year
Fantastic video! Would you consider doing one for h series laptops?
There is definitely something else at play here: either Intel finally segmented the market with even more segmentation on their chips, or (more likely) Dell's power management IC is the one doing the segmentation. The weird thing is indeed the battery. I wonder if and when unlocks are found (such as from Throttlestop supporting these), if we will find that the i5 is effectively as good under the same thermal constraints these laptops allow.
It was definitely a shocking conclusion in this video. Is this a one-off? Strange indeed. Dell occasionally does weird stuff, I have a used one from 10 years ago with a locked BIOS that on occasion just goes to sleep despite my best efforts to make it always on. Dell power management I think is the culprit. Not a big deal as I got the laptop used for a hundred bucks, pre-pandemic, and am pretty satisfied with it.
Are you saying Dell's power management makes the i7 look better than the i5? If so can't you make most power settings directly in windows and than i5 would do as good as the i7 tested here?
@@mikev324 No I think he's saying the power management of the i7 makes it over heat.
@@raylopez99 it was overheating in a netflix video loop? it was still faster in the speed tests so...
What is at play is that he is DEAD WRONG.
My non-OLED Dell XPS 13 Plus i5 model
Get 13-14 HOURS of continous UA-cam viewing
50% brightness, battery saver on, all background apps off
Which is why I returned the i7 model
Excellent research and delivering extensive knowledge. It will help a person who confuses choosing a laptop. Thank Josh
I would love to see if this comparison holds up with the processors in the 9315 version of the xps 13 (i5-1230U and i7-1250U)
Have you found any comparisons?
ok, that was actually shocking!
usally the "twist" is that the i5 is better because i7 throttles itself out of the picture!
Glad to see your results. This was not the case in your previous tests from last year, when the i7 was actually worse than the i5. It seems Intel improved a lot with its new performance cores+power efficient cores. AMD still beats the integrated Intel Xe graphics. Can't wait some laptop reviews with the new AMD Ryzen 6600U and 6800U + the new RDNA2 integrated graphics.
Great review...thanks Josh
This video was very helpful and made a direct impact on my considerations.
Glad I could help
You got the 2022 Zephyrus G14 in the studio?! Can't wait for your review! Feels like nobody has done it properly since the thing came out, but I know you will.
Jarrod's Tech, Ben G Kaiser, among others have already fully reviewed the 2022 model of the g14. Their videos are up if you wanna have a look, they're nice.
I know Jarrod pretty well and 100% respect his review. But I think i do hope I have something additive that will be worth watching ;)
@@JustJoshTech hey! He has the 6800s 32gig version there is virtually no video for the 6700s which is way more reasonable in price. Which model do u have?
Are the screen panels exactly the same? More expensive laptops often come with higher quality panels. In the case of panels this could mean a lower power consumption such as one of the newer low power panels. e.g. on Thinkpads you can often specify them with different panels at build time; one of those is a low power option. I don't just mean resolution but actual manufacturer and model affecting the power consumption.
Both are the 4k plus panel
👍🏽Thanks a lot...I can now save my coins! No point in spending $216 for a 3%-7% difference; besides I'm not an gamer.
Great video, said what needed to be said and no bullsh*t, Subbed👍
Thank you so much for making this video :o) What about i7 vs i9?
great video Josh. i just purchased china market only Thinkpad Neo 14 AMD Ryzen 6800h. Amazing laptop. Ryzen 6000 Zen+ is smoking 12th gen Intel overall with RDNA2 graphics. pleass review some Ryzen 6800u or 6800hs or 6800h laptops.
Would there be the same differences on the new XPS 15? I’m looking to buy one but I don’t know much about computers
The difference in RAM timings might result in a wide gap for memory intensive tasks, such as iGPU testing.
Considering how close the i5 and i7 in the 11th gen (especially in the HP Envy series), i think something fishy going on in the 12th gen i5 chips
Which is better, the Lenovo Yoga 9i or the Dell xps 13 plus after you have reviewed and used both longer now?
Excellent research!
Hey, do you think these results would be similar when comparing i5-1230U with i7-1250U (processors of the Dell XPS 13 9315) ? Are you planning on comparing them ?
I am wondering the same thing. 🙂
Why didn't you test with a u-series i5? The stated power draws for it much lower than the i5p, which has the same stated power draw as the i7p.
This is a good discussion, I've heard the thermal throttling negates the difference in performance pretty quickly. I have a ThinkPad Extreme gen 2 with an i5, and it seems kind of slow. But I have an Asus with a Ryzen 7 which makes everything else seem slow.
can you toast a bread crumb with ryzen 7 ..with normal room temerature?
As a retired test engineer I applaud your methodology. For most laptop manufacturers thermal generation and dissipation are nagging problems which results in power throttling, which results in performance reduction. The gamer laptops and some others have larger heatsinks, heatpipes, fans and better airflow.
Yes, this is what limits most mobiles and even desktops. And why they can’t do 6ghz except with liquid nitrogen as a concrete example.
Even the boosts are misleading as boost quickly exceeds thermal dissipation properties of cooling materials. Even the base clock speed can be not sustainable due to heat.
Applaud his methodology? I hope you weren't testing anything important. As a clinical researcher, the standard for what constitutes "evidence" to the everyman is downright frightening. This comparison is laughably unscientific. Throwing around descriptors like “epic” and “walloping” just makes it even more incredulous.
Performance benchmarks: Average of X runs? Would be important to see performance stability with consecutive runs.
Temperature and fan noise: “I recorded a CPU max of 100C on both performance modes for both chips, so no difference there.” Missing: clock speed, fan speed, ambient temp, ambient noise, noise measurement distance, equipment, description of what constitutes “full load”.
Battery life: “Best battery settings, screen 3 notches down for brightness”. Perhaps the most flawed of all the comparisons. Screen brightness should be calibrated using an objective measurement like lumens, not “notches”. Battery life is reported as a percentage when the devices all use different size batteries. What other background tasks/processes could have been running?
Also, it goes without saying that performance benchmarks are poor indicators of real-world performance. Most users just want a responsive device with good power efficiency. Who cares what the Cinebench score is?
There is a distinct lack of truly objective and scientific technology reviews. Someone needs to do better.
Too bad he is DEAD WRONG.
I own the non-OLED Dell XPS 13 Plus i5 model
I get 13-14 HOURS of continous UA-cam viewing
50% brightness, battery saver on, all background apps off
i7 model I returned only got 10-11 hours
Which display did those two units have - interested to know given battery life - was that the 3.5k oled?
Josh! :) Can't wait for comparisons with intel meteor lake laptops, I've heard good things about them.
PS: you forgot to hypothesize why the i7 performed especially in battery life. OR did i miss something?
Regarding battery life - may be it's something with nature of the test itself. I reckon video playback is hardware accelerated and i7 has more iGPU compute units. Can it be that i7 runs more efficient somehow because of this?
May be some other test, not the video playback, would give other results.
According to Hardware Canucks, the fault is due to Windows 11 not taking advantage of the efficiency cores. In the XPS 15, they implemented a BIOS hotfix for this
@@kappamomondo1038 hmm... I'm talking about difference in battery life between i5 and i7 - latter last longer with video playback test. I think issues with using right cores should be identical for i5 and i7 and does not affect this particular scenario.
Maybe he is DEAD WRONG
I own the non-OLED Dell XPS 13 Plus i5 model
I get 13-14 HOURS of continous UA-cam viewing
50% brightness, battery saver on, all background apps off
i7 got 10-11 hours, so I returned it
Do you think I can apply there resilts for 13th gen
What are your thoughts on the 1270p processor? I ordered Dell XPS 13 plus 1270p, 32gb ram, and 1tb, windows 11. Thanks!
Which laptop is best for programming windows desktop apps and using high cpu/ram visual studio etc. In 2022
Can you do a video comparing latest i7 & rizen 7 processors as well?
Sir you compair intel p processor's integrated gpu
Such as 12 gen i5 p
Processor
If you take i 7 12700 h
And i5 12500h
The intigrated gpu can do fast work.?
Or p and h cpu has same intigrated gpu.?
Josh, I'm thinking of ordering an XPS 13 Plus with the 1280P processor, maxed specs, but full HD touch panel. I have a 3070 Ti eGPU and 40" Dell 5K2K monitor when docked and want good battery life when mobile. I use office productivity and some stats packages. Mac is out of the question for me due to software constraints. Thoughts? Or other recommendations?
was in similar thoughts though less maxed out. i like a 24 u series dell screen and i was thinking of getting the touch hd screen too max out on mobility batt life. i dont expect to see the difference that much on 13”
@@feedmytv I ended up getting it fully loaded and with the OLED panel. I haven't really tested the battery life but I do know it is better than my 2018 XPS 13 with 4K panel. Performance is great, especially when docked with the 3070 Ti eGPU. I'll do some testing as I have some travel coming up next month.
Any updates? I just ordered the xps 13 plus with the 1360, (32 ram) and I'm hopeful it was a good purchase. I have a similar use case where I require a decent amount of compute power for bioinformatics, but a lot of software out there doesn't play nice with apple.
@@andrewjazdzyk1215 not really any updates. I use it daily, usually docked to the eGPU and external monitor. I believe I have a software issue leading to some performance dips and will reload Windows in the next month. I temporarily had a sound issue that ended up being a driver update. Screen is beautiful, performance is overall great. It does get hot but again I think I have a software issue that will help both that and battery life. Still an amazing looking laptop.
I want to get the HP spectre x360 16 12th gen. And I am wondering if the intel arc a370m is good for my personal tasks such as college / microsoft word, excel, powerpoint work. Searching the web with 5 to 10 tabs open. Watching youtube, nextflix etc all day. Maybe some light video editing and basic entry level coding. Would this laptop get it done??
did you investigate the battery difference any further then running the test again? feels very odd that 2 supposedly identical battery's can preform so differently even with the upgraded cpu
what would you recommend for a semi rugged business laptop?
Not all the software use the multiple cores except the OS which is not known by many. Only few sofware which require intensive CPU uses additional core explicitly.
I always sugges to stick with i5 instead of spending more in getting i7 without having these metrics, thank you for these.
Hi, what will be the trade off, battery consumptionn / process performance, of i7U VS i7P?
Would you say the same things comparing the i5 versus i7 chips if in the much larger xps 17's instead of these xps 13's?
If you want Excel to calc fast though, clock speed is the biggest thing. Excel is shitty at using multiple cores for anything other than saving, graphs, peaks, etc., true separate processes that can be sent to a different processor. For actual calculations, clock speed is all that really matters. Faster memory also helps a bit.
8:32, you may check the battery life by putting same value for Intel speed shift in throttle stop. May be it's value is put higher to make i7 look good .
Shoutout to our guy giving us this video, even though he's got the virus and is tired. The same defectuous temperatures found in Dell XPS laptops. I don't get why Dell is not able to keep the temperatures under a decent value, but other people who are creating custom cooling (vaper chamber, for example), solutions for their laptops can. As for the i5 and i7, I find it a shame to have 4C/8T these days, given that AMD since the 4000 series gave 6C/12T on a cpu efficient laptop. Plus, I'd go all the way for the i7, no question about it. But only on XPS 17, who can mentain kinda decent temps.
DID YOU TEST THE 2022 MODELS OR THE OLDER ONES SINCE BOTH MODELS ARE AVAILABLE?
These are the latest 2022
So you mean there's architecture difference rather than clock speed between both i5 and i7 or you have explanation? but nice you did this test. for some older gen. the difference was tiny as I remember like my nuc 8
Thx for your comparison - interesting results indeed. The i7 showed higher performance per watt in comparison to the i5. The reason I can think of is higher frequencies for a given voltage, because i7 are supposed to get the better quality silicon dies in comparions to i5.
Last year you compared intels 11th Gen i7-1165G7 and i5-1135G7. They are, like the 12th i7-1260P and i5-1240P very similiar:, same core count, but the i7 has a larger cache and higher clocks. The i7 should use the better quality silicon. In last years comparison however the results where quite different. The i7 had no performance advantage. If I remember correctly sometimes the i5 even beat it. Which was quite odd to see. I think Hardware Canucks found similiar results.
In the light of the 12th Gen comparion results, what do you think of results of the 11th Gen?
How is it, that 12th Gen i7 is a big upgrade over i5, while in 11th Gen it almost didnt matter. They both are manufactured in intel 7 (aka intel 10 nm superfin). So I'm somewhat confused in the cause of the different results.
Yes i have seen hardware chunks. Windows 11 22h2 on 20 September 2022 coming and it is first major update of windows 11 and has efficiency mode in new revamped task manager and more battery and performance tweeks. This update will bring huge improvements
HOW similar do you think that would be for a TOWER??? i have an i7- 3770 model is optiplex 9010 and LOVe it--- but if I can do cheaper on i5 but keep close to the same performance.. then being on SS I can do that.
5:30 what did u say about intel igpu?
maan
im playing doom eternal on my i5 1135g7
Wait, do the battery life results apply to R5 to R7 laptop comparisons? I bought a R5 5500u specifically because I was hoping I could get some benefit over the R7 5700u on the battery side.
Those are completely different CPUs. You cannot assume any of these findings translate to Ryzen CPUs. That being said, that would make for a great video. If i can get to 6000 U series CPUs i'll do it
@@JustJoshTech Yeah, I thought so too. Sites such as Notebookcheck have shown inconsistent results on R5 and R7 battery life comparisons (a sub 10% difference between R5 and R7, either one being on top). Still, their most direct test on the Yoga 6 13s seem to show R5 being on top, so that's where my bet fell.
Core count's relation to battery life is really interesting to discuss though, especially since there's a lot more to it than a linear gain/loss, and I'm happy to say that this video's investigation of it was excellent. Looking forward for the next one!
Josh is this a case with xps 15 new model as well, cause there is $300 differences between i5 and i7
You can do not only basic but also advanced video editing on the iris xe igpus thats literally the reason for their existence besides the uhd series
Any recommendations laptop good for graphic design students?
Never thought I'd see Logic review laptops
I don't find it fair to compare to Apple Macbook Pro, which is almost double the price for similar specs. I have an older XPS, the 9310 with 4k oled screen, 16gb of ram, which costed 1400 euros, and m1 macbook pro similar specs was around 2300. I will keep on Dell XPS, with i7, changing it when current one becomes really used. PS, my battery still allows me almost a full day of work on it.
I notice the framework laptop and what looks like an Asus zephyrus laptop behind you. Have you done a video on that Asus laptop if it is the 2022 version?
Nope, but the next video has it in there
@@JustJoshTech I'll be excited to see it!!!
I loved every review, non biased and promising
I am wondering does xps 15-9520 new one do the same
Sir if we test
Same varient as u processor and h processor with p processor's
Can ans is
U processor battery last long
And h processor battery first dies
And p will in middle?
Get a good USB 3, docking station, and a dorm fridge. Punch a hole through the side of the fridge, and run the cord to the docking station. If the laptop generates heat the fridge cools it off. You can run the machine as hardcore as the settings let you, and grind some data.
Dell should do an XPS 14 instead of this 13Pro, with bigger screen, the same P series processor, but also a dedicated GPU like an MX 550 or an Intel ARC A380 to boost graphics performance and allow for some light gaming
are there any other sources that find this same thing? i actually can't even find anyone else comparing 12th gen i5 vs i7 in laptops
Good sound checks to show us the difference, but I had a much bigger problem than this , ordering from Dell Direct my order kept being delayed five weeks in total and was sold out on the site yet one week after cancelling it was for sale again but £200 more expencive, cannot understand Dell s policy on sale s ???? So to cut a long story short after 3 x Dell s I am now the owner of an Acer Nitro intel i7 - 15.6 screen - 3060 graphics after intels i5 yes there are big improvements and whilst I may never do hard core gaming my pc is very capable , so impressed so far.
My first though was silicon lottery: the i7 is a higher binned CPU and is overall more efficient. Although I don't expect it would make such a big difference so maybe there is something else going on. Still, you'd need a bigger sample size to check this out. Maybe Intel or Dell are intentionally messing with these i5 CPUs, that would not surprise me either.
Intel iris is not good for video editing @premiere pro??
Was this also the case with the old i5-1135 and i7-1165 CPUs? (that the i7 is quieter and has better battery life)
What's about H series intel i5 & i7 processor for laptop?
I'm on the fence with lg gram, go with i5 or i7???
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Thats too kind. I have ordered one. Its likely this month the review or early next
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I used 2 ThinkPad's yesterday, one with Ryzen 7 pro 5850U and another with intel i7-5600U. And you know, not that much difference for office / home user tasks.
Not really. Most people can buy a much older computer and as long as it has an ssd you’re probably absolutely fine. I usually recommend people get an Intel 8250u/Ryzen 4500u because the 7 to 8 Intel generations was huge as was the 3000 to 4000 Ryzen. Newer than that the 12th gen is a huge leap over the 11th gen Intel and The 6000 is a good jump over the 5000 for Ryzen.
Please do this review for 13th gen too. There are rumers that says 13th gen processors use more power.
Are we getting a review of the new G14 soon?
Yes i am
Which has the most powerful Iris GPU? H series HD graphics is better than Iris?
If you normalise for the size of the battery, the XPS is at more like 50% battery, so not too bad - still more improvement needed.
was thinking the same - also curious about the 4K plus panel draw instead of the base touch panel
Do a review of asus zenbook flip 15 2 in 1 oled review please.
Absolutely great videos. Thanks Josh
Thank you!
Id love to see this comparison between the 1260 and the 1360 👀
I am in the market for a desktop, not a laptop. Are results similar?
Woooo, new video! 💙
Amazing video as always!
My i7-6600u idles at 35-40 degrees, i5-8250u idles at 55. Stress test is 60 for i7, 70 for i5. I guess either it's because the i5 has two extra cores, or they set i5 fan speed to allow higher temperature. For me, lower temp translate to stability, and reliability. Although it's two generations older, still relying on the i7-6600 for most daily tasks.
Is it better to wait for Intel 13th generation?
That's truly astonishing results. If 12th gen i5 is not 50% cheaper, I don't see the point of buying i5. My laptop runs i7 and it is lightning fast.
Get well soon josh!!
What about i3 and i5?
Nice video👍