Except in the 6th and 7th gen. Here we soon after they launched saw many games that really needed more than 4 threads to play smoothly. Bought an i5 in late 2015 and it struggled early 2017 in many games. Regreted not going with an i7, would probably not have needed to upgrade to an r5 3600 in 2019 if I had and would probably have enjoyed gaming a bit more in the years I had the i5. But I agree, the 12400 is unbeatable in price/performance at the moment and unless you are going for a 3080/6800xt or above the chip I would recommend to most people.
Nah man, the 6600K & 7600K were dogshit even when the latter released in 2017. A 7600K running at 4.8 GHz (if you were lucky enough) still stuttered like crazy in many multiplayer games that featured a large player count. The biggest examples of these back in 2017 were BF1 and PlanetSide 2.
Truthfully, for 100 bucks I think the I3-12100f is an outstanding choice for a lot of gamers. Maybe not the best for productivity with just 4 cores but those cores are quite fast and it’s better than a 3600 for gaming so great option
Totally with GPU prices so high, saving some money on CPU, non overclocking board and CPU cooler can go a long way to help get that entry level gaming rig built and can always put in an i7 later when GPU either become affordable or tech moves on enough so that an entry level card needs it.
Thanks for the great review. I had several i5's for gaming builds starting with the 2500k, finally upgraded to i7 with 8th gen but now I am back to i5 with the 12600k. Really love this CPU so far.
I also used the i5 2500k back in the day but since have used i7 cpu's with the 6700k, 10700k and will finish up a new Alder Lake 12700k build this weekend. I think the i7 is the sweet spot as far speed, core/thread count and pricing over the last few generations. Although it was not available when I built my 10700k system the real value for performance level in that series was the i910850k at not much more than the i7 price point. All of the above systems are still being used by various family members for varying task including the 2500k system which is getting ready to change to be used strictly for files for my grandaughters cnc laser machine she uses in her craft business.
One the few CPUs that was still fresh out of the factory was the 2500K. I later upgraded to a discounted i7 4790K that was already eclipsed by newer gens. Sadly, something killed the 2500K's motherboard so I couldn't reuse as a daily PC. Now, I'm using the AMD 5600K and I made sure to take care of the 4790K. My PC tend to encounter weird water problems.
Me here still looking at my i5 3570k. Was intending for my long awaited upgrade around December 2019, but with family issues, then covid hit I put that upgrade on hold. Now again the upgrade is on the horizon 😀
Your channel is brilliant at grounding what is generally a pretty overkill focussed hobby (at least youtube wise) in good budget reasoning and making good choices on what to spend money on regardless of overall budget. Always really refreshing
IMO, 12th gen is the first time having 2 different i5 SKUs actually makes sense. In the past the difference between 4 and 6 was slightly higher clocks, but now there is a notable difference that makes the difference worth actually putting out there
@Lizzy Choppe actually 12600 and 12600k are very different, with the non-k sku having the same core count as the 12400/f and 12500, so no e-cores for the 12600
@@phawxhunter AcKcHyuaLly, there are fifteen i5 SKUs. You were probably only thinking of the regular, K, F and KF versions of the 12400 and 12600 that OP was talking about, but neglected to mention the 12450, 12500 and the T, H and HE versions of those SKUs.
Great video as always. Off topic, after watching I received a UA-cam survey asking why I liked it and one of the options was "calming". Never seen that before but yeah, that's a legit reason I watch. Very chill reasonable and informative stuff. Perfect imo.
The biggest issue with Alder Lake right now is the motherboards. My local Microcenter has had the i5 12400 in stock and on sale for $180 for weeks, but they still don't even list B660 as a filter option for motherboards. And most of the Z690 boards in stock are DDR5 models.
That's really peculiar, in the UK there's no problem at all, being able to get H610 motherboards starting at around £80, while B660's start at around £100, for reference the 12100F is about £105, and the 12400F about £175.
It would be nice to see the fps and the cpu usage on the benchmark charts. Maybe having the 1% too would be nice to see. Great video, clear, simple and informative. Keep it up!
What would be awesome would be entire packages built off of the MoBos in the first place. I mean, PCPartPicker's awesome and all, but I think it's high time we had "Bare Bones in a Box" options too (where it's just the [MoBo, the CPU, at least 2 RAM chips, all pre-installed], and the power source included [would arrive separately], plus actual installation instructions on paper, and recommendations for the top compatible chassis included). When I was building my PC, I think I spent the most time worrying not over which CPU would work the best, but rather which one would work the best with the MoBo I wanted, and then I had to deal with the RAM and the power source compatibility. Having those options chosen for me when purchasing the MoBo (where the both best and most compatible CPU, RAM, and power source were all selected for me), so all I had to do was choose the MoBo I wanted and not have to think further about it, would have really saved me probably a good 6 months of off-and-on-again part-shopping stress. PCPartPicker *was* extremely helpful!, but it wasn't the end of the line for me. I wish it had been. Having a "Bare Bones in a Box" approach (listed in PCPartPicker) would have made that almost 100% possible. I would have spent maybe a week picking out parts, rather than months.
The fact that the i3 wasn’t at 100% usage the whole time is insane, was expecting it to be a huge bottleneck with a 3080, maybe the 12100 would be a good budget pairing with a 3060
Thank you for your videos. I dont know a single tech youtuber that can make such clean and well presented videos as you do. The way the shots of the products in your videos are just so satisfying to watch. Most of the time i watch your videos on the first day and find myself watching them the next day again just because i like the way they are presented.
This was the exact video & information I needed! I’m extremely indecisive and overwhelmed with the options & been stuck in a rabbit hole for days of vast information out there. I finally came to the conclusion that pairing the 3080 with the i5 12600k would be my best entry for creativity, work, gaming, & costs! Thank you so matcha! you got a sub & all the likes from me ❤
It's not absurd to choose i5 over i7 for gaming. 12 gen i5 is a 6+4 core cpu that's even more capable than previous gen i7-10700K and 11700K in most single and multi-theaded workloads. The i3, while not as good in terms of value as the i5, is capable of beating the i7-7700K. Might be a decent choice for some but i5 is definitely more future proof and is the sweet spot for most.
Great video! I already liked you videos before but in this 10 minutes you summerized erverything so well and packed a ton of valuable informations into it - keep up the great work! Thanks and kind regards from Germany 👍
All these 12th gen processors are fantastic. I just ordered the i5 12400 with a B660 motherboard. Upgrading from a decade old 2500k build that has served me well. For budget build, Intel has really stepped it up this generation and you can't go wrong with either a 12th gen i5 or i3 which is awesome.
There have been some guys doing BCLK over clocking on the non-K SKUs which is insane. (Even on a few B660 'boards too) A little more complex than regular over-clocking (and not every motherboard can do it) but the main K SKUs are also pretty awesome as well. Intel's stepped up their game with literally everything (including using more power too lol )
@@H0don it's easier for Intel to kill the feature. All boards that do it so far are crazy expensive and it makes no sense. Why would anyone pay 300+ for a mobo to enable non k OC when it's easier to just go for the K chip? Instead of pairing a 300$ mobo with a 200$ cpu, do the inverse.
@@RafitoOoO I said that there will be cheaper boards and you still make a comparison based of current overpriced boards like dude, did you ever read my comment? Intel rather won't remove this feature, their statement is that these non-K SKU's have limited warranty instead.
@@H0don your comments and nothing are the same thing lmao. You're just a random internet stranger, I'd rather stick with the facts so far. What we know is the only boards that support it are crazy expensive. Period. Whatever you think might happen in the future is irrelevant.
I'm amazed at how far we have come since I started gaming back in the 80's with my Commodore 64. Now that prices have come down for GPU's it's time for me to build a pc. Thanks for the video.
I went for a 12700KF paired with a 3080Ti to play at 3440x1440 resolution. Perhaps a little overspending on the CPU, but I don't regret my choice (PC should arrive tomorrow). I was a bit concerned the 12900K would be better for gaming performance, but I needn't have worried! I would have been fine with the 12600K. Great video, lad!
I have 12700k with a 6800xt at 3440x1440. Beast of a system. You'll be glad you didn't go with the 12900k when you see how hot that 12700k runs. It's brutal hot already. 12900k needs a 280mm or 360mm aio just to not throttle. That or a hard power limit.
At this res even 11400f could do just fine. I just "downgraded" from 10900k to 11400f + RTX 3090 3440x1440@144Hz and the only two differences I noticed is additional 270 USD in my wallet + half of the CPU power consumption when gaming (130W vs 70W) :D
@@cnk191 even a 3080 ti was more than enough for that resolution including gaming + streaming at 3440x1440p resolution 144hz and even 12700kf runs around 80 100w for 3440x1440p 150+ fps
I picked up the 12700f. Went fairly budget last build in 2017 with a 1600X. Decided to go a bit higher end. No interest in overclock anymore though. The thing that pissed me off though was how expensive B660 boards were. Ended up going with a cheaper Z690 because it was cheaper than a lot or B660 boards.
Cheap Z690 boards (especially Asrock) can be pretty crap though, and actually throttle the non-K CPU. So be mindful of that. See Hardware Unboxed VRM testing. But I agree, too expensive, even the H610 ones.
What is the problem with RAM prices??? Intel has DDR4 AND DDR5 ,, UNLIKE the filthy price gougers at AMD that will ONLY support DDR5 on next model ,, can't wait to see the AMD cult try and cover up that SCAM
I’d love you to revisit this video in a few months to see if i5 fclk overclock is possible when cheaper boards become available. Derbauer shows a 12400f overclocked being on par with 12900k. That’s insane value.
loved the video and super impressed with the i5's performance! I had an i5 8400, it was good for a bit but it soon became a huge bottleneck in games so in 2020 I got an amazing deal on an i7 9700k and probably won't need to upgrade for a few more years! The problem I had was that I wanted the i5 to last me for a few years but that never panned out. I feel like if you want to "future proof" (which is impossible in the tech world) I feel like you should spend the extra money and get that i5 12600k for the amazing performance. Really impressed by intel and happy to see them back in the game!
Doesn't really make a difference. Replacing the 12400F with a new budget king in a year or two or having the (by then superseded) 12600K for a bit longer, no noticeable difference in games. And by that time you could also get a similarly great deal on a 12700 or whatever. I agree with Optimum to put as much of the budget as possible into the GPU right now.
bruh , this video that you've put out on my birthday btw, came at the perfect timing , now 7 months later i'm still super stoked about my 12600kf and can't believe the performance that you can get out of these 12th gens nowadays. Your chan. got me back into builds and gaming after a 10 YEAR (yep, a decade) hiatus.
@@henryt9731 I see this argument on and on again. What about the power draw is bad? The 12900K's power draw? Sure, but only when overclocked. Every other Alder Lake part is on par with their Zen 3 competition, or lack of competition in the i3's case, in terms of power draw and efficiency.
@@henryt9731 while idle, browsing and gaming intel gen 12 efficiency is better than zen 3. Only on full load zen 3 is better. So if you don't do everyday rendering, intel it's a lot better as efficiency.
@@henryt9731 You don't think Alder Lake having a similar efficiency to a 5800x is progress? Check out some 11th gen benchmarks and you will see that 12th gen is a massive improvement in efficiency (except for the i9, that cpu is basically maxed OCed at stock).
@@henryt9731 Typical Ryzen Boy JAJAJAJAJA, Only in a famous Benchmarks with CPU at 100% you see famous 240W at i9 12th Gen. But in real life consumes it's really less than that, you can searched a many videos fake the Intel "Power Hugs" o something like that
interesting to watch this even after snatching a 12600K beginning of December 2021 with an MSI Z690 edge (DDR4) and paired it with my precious Asus Strix ROG RTX2080 Ti OC.Hope the RTX 4xxx will be on shelves some day after release.
Very valuable information, well done on the comparisons. Definitely the 12400 is a great options for a bang for the buck kinda future proof system imo.
For a much more balanced build, i rather choose 12700 f with b660 over 12600k with Z690. Better system is really aged even better, you can just upgrade your GPU in future instead of struggle to upgrade both CPU and GPU in next 2-3 years. 12700f with power limit off, performance been tested that can really close to stock 12700k. Pretty sure 12700f can really beat 12600k in terms of price to performance. Dont forget b660 mobo is still cheaper than z690. 12600k is just slightly cheaper than 12700f but the z690 is crazy expensive. end up 12700f + b660 is gonna to be cheaper. 12600k can OCed till 12700 performance but the cooling will also gonna cost you even more.
@@__aceofspades yeah, thats why im going to get 12700f with b660i mobo. Sadly not much option for b660 itx mobo with DDR4, I am trying to grab the aorus pro b660i DDR4. Even mobo is expensive, actually is not too far than a good B550i mobo. So its still a steal for me haha.
@@НазаровВладислав So far like debauer's video on OC non k chips best and only for ROG mobo. They are unreasonable expensive, and its doenst make sense using a so expensive mobo just to OC a non K budget chip. Lets hope that other brand like MSI or Gigabyte able to do OC with their mid or entry range mobo.
Mostly it comes down to what resolution you play at and what kind of games you play. If you game at 1080p or want super high FPS for competitive games then you're more likely to come across a CPU bottleneck with an i3, however if you game at 4K then an i3 will work just fine as most of the work will be on the GPU. 1440p is a good middle ground, but will still mostly be GPU bound.
You're still going to encounter some bottlenecking with that i3 on a 3080 or higher at 4k. The average fps might be good but the 1% lows probably won't be that great. I would go i7-12700F since you're getting a great CPU without breaking the bank for an i9-12900k.
@@pengu6335 I agree 12600K and 12700F are the best options from the whole line up. I would skew towards recommending 12600K for most and it will be great, otherwise 12700F but only, if you are sure that you will be doing heavy usage task like content creation etc. Current CPU are the end game for at least half a decade for gaming, well good enough to last for very long time and so that one can build a new system when DDR5 prices will reach current DDR4 levels. I am sticking with a trend of upgrading CPU platform only when DDR prices comes down, so usually at the end of the DDR generation and that works very well in terms of providing good value and good performance for long time. Usually it coincides with new console generation too, making sure that I only need to upgrade GPU over the time and CPU will last for long time. 2013 i7 4770K + z87 + DDR3 2133Mhz + GTX770/1080/RTX3060Ti 2022 i7 12700K + z690 + DDR4 3600Mhz C16 + RTX3060Ti So for me this CPU platform will probably last for another decade, if not 2 decades now, if there won't be a some kind of revolution in the industry. With more than 500FPS in games at 1080p already, I doubt anyone would need and benefit from more in e-sport games, that is hitting heavy diminishing returns. So if someone who buys such beefy system, probably games at UW1440p or 4K, that will be even less limiting on CPU and probably last even longer. With 10+ cores and so high IPC most streamers and editors will be happy for a long time too. Gamers should invest into a 12600K here or 12700F and just be upgrading GPU only for next decade.
Thanks for the tips, really helpful for someone like me with a basic knowledge. You've saved me some $$$ as I was looking at an i7 for my new gaming pc
yeah. but from what has been shown here, at least in theory and at the moment(meaning it night change in the future), someone running the i3 isn't losing much if their monitor can only get up to 60hz. meaning that even pairing an rtx3070 or 3080 with an i3 isn't awful if the target resolution is 4k. kind of nice to see that the era of quadcores being decent gaming CPUs isn't over. regardless, i personally went with an i5 12600k.
Currently building a PC. Well, I'm only waiting for the GPU now, but I decided on the i5 12600k. While cheaper options were definitely, well, options I thought it would be best to get a CPU that will be able to handle 'the curve' best over the next 5-7 years. I won't overclock out of the box, but that's also something I reserve the right to fiddle with in the future if I need the extra oomph. The Noctua NH-D15 will see to the CPU not cooking, and the MSI RTX3060 I'm waiting for will see to it I can finally jump off the 1920x1080 train and unto the 2560x1440... other train without worries. I'm aware the build is a bit unbalanced at this point, but it wasn't a problem of pricing, but of availability for the GPU. 32GB of DC RAM (3200), and I believe I'll be set and golden for good while. Honestly, I really believe the i5 12600k is the best option at this time. Hits the sweet spot in terms of price and performance. With GPU prices being so high, you might as well shell out some extra for the CPU while you're at it.
I am so excited for 13th gen intel as the full build price will go done ALOT and maybe they even put in way better IGPUs and alot more E cores. Still gonna wait it out tho
lol iv actually had a i9 12900kf sitting on my desk for many many long months now i cant wait to install it just waiting financially to be able to buy a motherboard. cant wait! great vid!
Just stunning quality on your video's with the content o match....Picked up a 12700K and more than impressed especially for mixed productivity workloads..
Can you plz analyze their full load power draw, and determine which is the most efficient, and most suitable for tiny cooler itx builds? 12600K's performance is so much better, while being cheaper than the 5600x, but I doubt a 65w low profile cooler could contain it. What kind of tuning can you do to make its thermals in check, while retaining as much of its performance?
Hello! How do these CPUs hold up when doing VR gaming? Does an i3 or i5 hold up well, or is this a scenario where something like an i7 would have a stronger argument? I know some people have told me that "1% lows" on FPS are exaggerated a bit more in VR and can contribute to motion sickness, but I'd love to hear your opinions on it!
The biggest problem right now is the "massive" lineup of B660, H670 and B610 boards that were promised. Here in the US, you can only buy about 8-10 of those boards vs the ~40 that were promised and about 6 of those total currently available ones are at the $180 mark, which in that case its encroaching on Z690 at only $30 more. So right now the biggest issue is just waiting for an actual sub ~$150 Budget B660 board to slap the 12400(F) or 12100(F) in.
Can't wait to see zen 4 clocking at 5.0 ghz. The Achilles' heel from AMD so far are clock speeds, because they had the ipc advantage over Intel since zen 2 but Intel just clocks at 5.0 ghz+. Competition is awesome.
Zen 4 will be too expensive, I'd rather get 12th gen now. Zen 4 will require expensive DDR5, more expensive motherboards due to a new socket, PCIe 5.0, TSMC is raising prices too. If you thought Zen 3 was expensive, Zen 4/AM5 is going to make your wallet cry.
@@__aceofspades well, let's wait and see. Zen 3 was expensive because AMD had no competition lol. They crushed the 10th gen with it and then Intel roasted itself with 11th gen. But yeah, I'm gonna wait for ddr5 prices to get better before my next upgrade, I see no point in buying it right now but I also don't see a point in getting a whole new platform still on ddr4.
It could matter for multitask gamers though. Having a game open in one screen and a browser in another and so on... depending on how cpu intensive the other tasks are the i3 could be not a very good option, right? I mean it's using 80-90% for the game alone where the i7/i9 uses only 40-50%
Reminds me that i recently tried my old i5 760 again. That CPU is an 11 year old midrange CPU that at the time had cost 200€ (inflation-adjusted ~270€ now). it can still run a surprising amount of games at 30 FPS. The i5 2500K fairs a lot better and with a slight OC hitting 60FPS very often. Those are 4c4t CPUs. Now with the current CPUs, at least for gaming, there is hardly a reason to go for the highend. The only sad thing is that Intel is still not offering any lower-end CPUs with e-cores and a bigger iGPU. i whish they had released something more like their mobile lineup for desktop - a 4p8e CPU with 96 EU would be great for a tiny PC. But alas no such thing right now.
I've been chuggng on an fx 8350 & gtx 670 for the last 10 years and was going to go all out on a new build just before Covid hit. Had to wait it out job wise and now I am stuck with crazy GPU prices and my 8350 is really starting to stutter just multitasking... I think it might be a 12100f job on a drr4 board to see me through to hopefully slighlty more reasonable GPU prices. Then if Ryzen smack it out on AM5 or the second generation intel 1700 chips do well I can upgrade when GPU prices are more reasonable
awesome video i just bought an RX7900XTX for almost half price used on amazon and was about to order the i9 but now i think im just going to go with the i5!
Intel really hit a homerun with 12th gen. CPUs are cheaper than Ryzen Zen 3, and 12th gen performs better. Efficiency matches AMD in all segments except the 12900k. Also unlike AMD, Intel hasnt abandoned the budget segment, the 12100f for $100 is a steal, but so are things like the 12700f at $314 which beats the $570 5900x. My friend works at Microcenter and has said Intel's 12th gen is basically all they sell these days, because the pricing and performance blow Zen 3 out of the water.
the thing is 12400 is actually overcloackable. OC with BCLK is a thing and it is mighty. Even a small OC makes the 12400 pretty much if not better than the 12600k. I'm 100% going for the 12400F and doing the BLCK OC, this is insane value and competes with even the I7 in a lot of workloads, even tho it's pulling less power.
Im glad people are starting to see that you 4c/8t is still currently enough for gaming and that crap being spewed about “6 cores are dumb because the minimum is going to be 8 cores soon” is just BS. Originally was gonna wait till Raptor Lake but thinking ill upgrade my 3700X build to a 12600K or a 12700K instead, mostly cause id still have the raptor lake upgrade path if i need it later anyway and without NVENC(6700 XT) i rather stream from the CPU anyway and feel like it would be a great use of the efficiency cores while gaming with the P cores. AMDs encoder is kinda cheeks for gaming... i been actually wondering how performance differs if at all between a traditional CPU vs something like Alder Lake. I feel like even with 8 cores and 16 threads i get a very noticeable performance hit while streaming from x264 vs encoding
IMO for a casual gamer yes, the I3 is a tempting option, but for everybody else I would still recommend going for the I5 instead. The I3 is already fully utilized in games sometimes (albeit be it at a high framerate) so it is not exactly future proof to begin with. 4 Cores even with the new architecture will probably struggle in the years to come. Especially considering that you are usually not only have your game open as the only program but instead leave some other background programs running as well.
It's remarkable how well 4C/8T CPU's have held up, especially when you consider that 4C/4T CPU's have been bottlenecked in the most demanding games for at least 5 years (Battlefield 1 from 2016 was unplayable on old i5's in heavily populated multiplayer matches).
Anyone that played PlanetSide 2 back in 2014 with a 4T cpu and still enjoyed it has my respect, i still cannot believe desktop i5 cpus were all 4T for 6 years straight.
@@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh It's the difference that a little bit of competition can make. Your ancestors will find it even more difficult to believe.
It's not 4c is dead because games used more than 4t, poor optimisation (engine) and intentional unnecessary performance usage (DRMs) caused the death of 4c CPU.
its not just the matter of FPS its how hard these cpus are working, that i3 may deliver close fps performance as i9 but its shitting its guts out doing so almost 90C, while i9 barely using one arm. You cant game for 3 hours while your cpu is running at 90C lol
Even if Intel has been better recently, I can’t forgive them for intentionally holding back advancements in technology for years not just through their own products but with laptop OEMs as well.
And even these advancements are at the cost of much higher TDP than AMD chips (if I understand correctly), which might mean 12th gen on laptops is more limited - especially compared to the upcoming Ryzen 6000 series.
AMD would do the same in their position. Look at how much they raised prices with Zen 3. Hell, even now that Intel is competitive, they're still pricing their chips way higher because they know there are so many people out there with AM4 boards who will pay extra for drop in upgrades. They're also unlocking Zen 3 for 300 series board nows after they said it couldn't be done, to expand the customer base for Zen 3.
@@DrearierSpider1 amd is just another company that will screw you over given the chance thats why having healthy competition is good otherwise 4 cores and 14nm++++++++++++++++++ forever
I think it would be awesome if you started to include Valorant in your benchmarks. In this game people care whether its 300 fps vs 200 unlike e.g. Cyberpunk
Thanks for this video. I was considering upgrading my i5 to an i7 or i9, but now it seems that it would not a be a wise expediture of money for such minimal/negligible gains.
Took the leap, i5 12400 on an ASRock h670m itx ddr4 board, with an rtx 3060ti. At 180 for the cpu from microcenter, and 180 for the mobo from Newegg, excited for this on windows 10, the lack of e-cores should resolve scheduler issues
Core i5s have always been the sweet spot and it still is. The 12400 is a fantastsic chip given its price.
You can also overclock it, what a nice CPU!
@@jhanninnen You can’t overclock the 12400…
Except in the 6th and 7th gen. Here we soon after they launched saw many games that really needed more than 4 threads to play smoothly. Bought an i5 in late 2015 and it struggled early 2017 in many games. Regreted not going with an i7, would probably not have needed to upgrade to an r5 3600 in 2019 if I had and would probably have enjoyed gaming a bit more in the years I had the i5.
But I agree, the 12400 is unbeatable in price/performance at the moment and unless you are going for a 3080/6800xt or above the chip I would recommend to most people.
Nah man, the 6600K & 7600K were dogshit even when the latter released in 2017.
A 7600K running at 4.8 GHz (if you were lucky enough) still stuttered like crazy in many multiplayer games that featured a large player count. The biggest examples of these back in 2017 were BF1 and PlanetSide 2.
@@dem1seCS yes you can with the right board. Look at derbauers channel.
Truthfully, for 100 bucks I think the I3-12100f is an outstanding choice for a lot of gamers. Maybe not the best for productivity with just 4 cores but those cores are quite fast and it’s better than a 3600 for gaming so great option
If you don't play warzone maybe
Totally with GPU prices so high, saving some money on CPU, non overclocking board and CPU cooler can go a long way to help get that entry level gaming rig built and can always put in an i7 later when GPU either become affordable or tech moves on enough so that an entry level card needs it.
mobo more tho
@@SAVA47-00 my SSD cant handle warzone anyways so its fine lol
yeah but if you take the mobo into consideration ryzen cpus are still competitive
Thanks for the great review. I had several i5's for gaming builds starting with the 2500k, finally upgraded to i7 with 8th gen but now I am back to i5 with the 12600k. Really love this CPU so far.
Oh 2500k the Legend had the Cpu for Years 🤙
I also used the i5 2500k back in the day but since have used i7 cpu's with the 6700k, 10700k and will finish up a new Alder Lake 12700k build this weekend.
I think the i7 is the sweet spot as far speed, core/thread count and pricing over the last few generations.
Although it was not available when I built my 10700k system the real value for performance level in that series was the i910850k at not much more than the i7 price point.
All of the above systems are still being used by various family members for varying task including the 2500k system which is getting ready to change to be used strictly for files for my grandaughters cnc laser machine she uses in her craft business.
One the few CPUs that was still fresh out of the factory was the 2500K. I later upgraded to a discounted i7 4790K that was already eclipsed by newer gens. Sadly, something killed the 2500K's motherboard so I couldn't reuse as a daily PC.
Now, I'm using the AMD 5600K and I made sure to take care of the 4790K. My PC tend to encounter weird water problems.
Me here still looking at my i5 3570k. Was intending for my long awaited upgrade around December 2019, but with family issues, then covid hit I put that upgrade on hold. Now again the upgrade is on the horizon 😀
Your channel is brilliant at grounding what is generally a pretty overkill focussed hobby (at least youtube wise) in good budget reasoning and making good choices on what to spend money on regardless of overall budget. Always really refreshing
IMO, 12th gen is the first time having 2 different i5 SKUs actually makes sense. In the past the difference between 4 and 6 was slightly higher clocks, but now there is a notable difference that makes the difference worth actually putting out there
@@phawxhunter "ackchyually" yes but the main two people know about are x400 and x600.
i think it made more sense when you could get almost top of the line speed by buying the llowest specced one.
@Lizzy Choppe actually 12600 and 12600k are very different, with the non-k sku having the same core count as the 12400/f and 12500, so no e-cores for the 12600
@@phawxhunter AcKcHyuaLly, there are fifteen i5 SKUs. You were probably only thinking of the regular, K, F and KF versions of the 12400 and 12600 that OP was talking about, but neglected to mention the 12450, 12500 and the T, H and HE versions of those SKUs.
@@are3287 yes but who the hell uses or even knows about those SKUs other than the 5 people in the world who care about laptop processors
Even when it’s just comparing CPU’s the aesthetics are always so clean and sharp in your vids! 🙌🏼👌🏼
But the colour is messed up
Exactly mu thoughts! Presentation in the videos is always top notch
@@tazyjump5377 wdym
Great video as always. Off topic, after watching I received a UA-cam survey asking why I liked it and one of the options was "calming". Never seen that before but yeah, that's a legit reason I watch. Very chill reasonable and informative stuff. Perfect imo.
The biggest issue with Alder Lake right now is the motherboards. My local Microcenter has had the i5 12400 in stock and on sale for $180 for weeks, but they still don't even list B660 as a filter option for motherboards. And most of the Z690 boards in stock are DDR5 models.
That's really peculiar, in the UK there's no problem at all, being able to get H610 motherboards starting at around £80, while B660's start at around £100, for reference the 12100F is about £105, and the 12400F about £175.
same. I'm gonna wait until it all it either stabilizes or I get a good return
I bought the asus prime b660 on amazon at $140
That's weird here in Germany there are plenty good enough b660/z690 boards with ddr4, still they are rather pricey, but at least they are available
It's like 20-30€ Difference between a good budget b660 and z690
Great video most people would have split this into 4 individual videos to squeeze out extra content, awesome to have them all together in 1 video!
It would be nice to see the fps and the cpu usage on the benchmark charts. Maybe having the 1% too would be nice to see. Great video, clear, simple and informative. Keep it up!
What would be awesome would be entire packages built off of the MoBos in the first place. I mean, PCPartPicker's awesome and all, but I think it's high time we had "Bare Bones in a Box" options too (where it's just the [MoBo, the CPU, at least 2 RAM chips, all pre-installed], and the power source included [would arrive separately], plus actual installation instructions on paper, and recommendations for the top compatible chassis included). When I was building my PC, I think I spent the most time worrying not over which CPU would work the best, but rather which one would work the best with the MoBo I wanted, and then I had to deal with the RAM and the power source compatibility. Having those options chosen for me when purchasing the MoBo (where the both best and most compatible CPU, RAM, and power source were all selected for me), so all I had to do was choose the MoBo I wanted and not have to think further about it, would have really saved me probably a good 6 months of off-and-on-again part-shopping stress. PCPartPicker *was* extremely helpful!, but it wasn't the end of the line for me. I wish it had been. Having a "Bare Bones in a Box" approach (listed in PCPartPicker) would have made that almost 100% possible. I would have spent maybe a week picking out parts, rather than months.
The fact that the i3 wasn’t at 100% usage the whole time is insane, was expecting it to be a huge bottleneck with a 3080, maybe the 12100 would be a good budget pairing with a 3060
better yet a 6600XT, its cheaper and faster
Well don't expect to play Minecraft RTX with your i3
Minimum requirement is i5
@@temotskipuri3151 traditional shaders look better than the rtx ones though nocap
@@ed8212 no cap
The i3-12100 is a tad faster than the i7-8700K in single core performance and just a bit better for multicore. Impressive!
Thank you for your videos. I dont know a single tech youtuber that can make such clean and well presented videos as you do. The way the shots of the products in your videos are just so satisfying to watch. Most of the time i watch your videos on the first day and find myself watching them the next day again just because i like the way they are presented.
This was the exact video & information I needed! I’m extremely indecisive and overwhelmed with the options & been stuck in a rabbit hole for days of vast information out there. I finally came to the conclusion that pairing the 3080 with the i5 12600k would be my best entry for creativity, work, gaming, & costs! Thank you so matcha! you got a sub & all the likes from me ❤
It's not absurd to choose i5 over i7 for gaming. 12 gen i5 is a 6+4 core cpu that's even more capable than previous gen i7-10700K and 11700K in most single and multi-theaded workloads. The i3, while not as good in terms of value as the i5, is capable of beating the i7-7700K. Might be a decent choice for some but i5 is definitely more future proof and is the sweet spot for most.
the 12100f is actually faster than the 9700k, and overclocked you can get even more performance.
I5 12600K is faster than the I9 10900K
Great video! I already liked you videos before but in this 10 minutes you summerized erverything so well and packed a ton of valuable informations into it - keep up the great work! Thanks and kind regards from Germany 👍
Still went with the i7 to avoid any potential issues. So far it’s been fantastic with no issues. But I won’t discredit how well the i5 is
what cooler do you use im hearing with 12th gens they run pretty hot
@@jthalbig6505 Corsair H115I Elite Capellix
I was literally researching this exact topic and Optimum drops a video, perfect!
All these 12th gen processors are fantastic. I just ordered the i5 12400 with a B660 motherboard. Upgrading from a decade old 2500k build that has served me well. For budget build, Intel has really stepped it up this generation and you can't go wrong with either a 12th gen i5 or i3 which is awesome.
and which GPU did you choose?
@@rokdovecar5275 i guess we’ll nevah know🤣
thx for the vid, have been waiting for a comparison like that for some time
There have been some guys doing BCLK over clocking on the non-K SKUs which is insane. (Even on a few B660 'boards too) A little more complex than regular over-clocking (and not every motherboard can do it) but the main K SKUs are also pretty awesome as well. Intel's stepped up their game with literally everything (including using more power too lol )
@Jacob There will be cheaper DDR4 with BCLK OC feature soon.
@@H0don it's easier for Intel to kill the feature. All boards that do it so far are crazy expensive and it makes no sense. Why would anyone pay 300+ for a mobo to enable non k OC when it's easier to just go for the K chip? Instead of pairing a 300$ mobo with a 200$ cpu, do the inverse.
Yeah, I think Der8auer discovered that, right?
But needed some pretty expensive mobo to achieve it
@@RafitoOoO I said that there will be cheaper boards and you still make a comparison based of current overpriced boards like dude, did you ever read my comment?
Intel rather won't remove this feature, their statement is that these non-K SKU's have limited warranty instead.
@@H0don your comments and nothing are the same thing lmao. You're just a random internet stranger, I'd rather stick with the facts so far. What we know is the only boards that support it are crazy expensive. Period. Whatever you think might happen in the future is irrelevant.
This vid was needed. Your style of presentation makes this info even better.
I'm amazed at how far we have come since I started gaming back in the 80's with my Commodore 64. Now that prices have come down for GPU's it's time for me to build a pc. Thanks for the video.
Great and informative video! Good to know all the difference between the options out there.
This video is really really helpful for budget users. Thanks a lot for explaining it easily.
Amazing comparison, we keep getting so much things to choose from to build a PC, it always good to see for use intended comparison! 🤘⚡
I went for a 12700KF paired with a 3080Ti to play at 3440x1440 resolution. Perhaps a little overspending on the CPU, but I don't regret my choice (PC should arrive tomorrow). I was a bit concerned the 12900K would be better for gaming performance, but I needn't have worried! I would have been fine with the 12600K. Great video, lad!
I have 12700k with a 6800xt at 3440x1440. Beast of a system. You'll be glad you didn't go with the 12900k when you see how hot that 12700k runs. It's brutal hot already. 12900k needs a 280mm or 360mm aio just to not throttle. That or a hard power limit.
Good choice
At this res even 11400f could do just fine. I just "downgraded" from 10900k to 11400f + RTX 3090 3440x1440@144Hz and the only two differences I noticed is additional 270 USD in my wallet + half of the CPU power consumption when gaming (130W vs 70W) :D
Overspending was on the GPU side my dude. That card shouldn’t cost more than 1K and yet…
@@cnk191 even a 3080 ti was more than enough for that resolution including gaming + streaming at 3440x1440p resolution 144hz and even 12700kf runs around 80 100w for 3440x1440p 150+ fps
Great analysis, as always. Your videos are always clear, easy to understand, and well presented. Nice work!
I picked up the 12700f.
Went fairly budget last build in 2017 with a 1600X.
Decided to go a bit higher end.
No interest in overclock anymore though.
The thing that pissed me off though was how expensive B660 boards were. Ended up going with a cheaper Z690 because it was cheaper than a lot or B660 boards.
Cheap Z690 boards (especially Asrock) can be pretty crap though, and actually throttle the non-K CPU. So be mindful of that. See Hardware Unboxed VRM testing.
But I agree, too expensive, even the H610 ones.
Even as a person that likes AMD a lot, the intel i3 12 gen really looks promising.
Only problem is the motherboard and RAM prices.
What is the problem with RAM prices??? Intel has DDR4 AND DDR5 ,, UNLIKE the filthy price gougers at AMD that will ONLY support DDR5 on next model ,, can't wait to see the AMD cult try and cover up that SCAM
After intel moved toward 6/12 cores/threads, i5 became king of price/performance for gaming.
i5 10400, 11400, 12400 all of them are good.
10th gen Core i7-10700K is the anomaly, making the 5600X and two of the i5s you mentioned as pointless.
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This i7 is around 200 on microcenter.
@@saricubra2867 not everyone lives in the us
I’d love you to revisit this video in a few months to see if i5 fclk overclock is possible when cheaper boards become available. Derbauer shows a 12400f overclocked being on par with 12900k. That’s insane value.
loved the video and super impressed with the i5's performance! I had an i5 8400, it was good for a bit but it soon became a huge bottleneck in games so in 2020 I got an amazing deal on an i7 9700k and probably won't need to upgrade for a few more years! The problem I had was that I wanted the i5 to last me for a few years but that never panned out. I feel like if you want to "future proof" (which is impossible in the tech world) I feel like you should spend the extra money and get that i5 12600k for the amazing performance. Really impressed by intel and happy to see them back in the game!
Doesn't really make a difference. Replacing the 12400F with a new budget king in a year or two or having the (by then superseded) 12600K for a bit longer, no noticeable difference in games. And by that time you could also get a similarly great deal on a 12700 or whatever. I agree with Optimum to put as much of the budget as possible into the GPU right now.
The i7 9700K is a great CPU. That's what I'm using along with a 1080 Ti! It works great for everything I do.
@@wickedout2010 for the games that I play like forza horizon 5, valorant and overwatch. I don't need anything better atm
bruh , this video that you've put out on my birthday btw, came at the perfect timing , now 7 months later i'm still super stoked about my 12600kf and can't believe the performance that you can get out of these 12th gens nowadays. Your chan. got me back into builds and gaming after a 10 YEAR (yep, a decade) hiatus.
Glad to see Intel making progress after all these years.
Comparing power draws... I don't think it's really a "progress"
Tho seeing intel having a comeback does feel quite nice.
@@henryt9731 I see this argument on and on again. What about the power draw is bad? The 12900K's power draw? Sure, but only when overclocked. Every other Alder Lake part is on par with their Zen 3 competition, or lack of competition in the i3's case, in terms of power draw and efficiency.
@@henryt9731 while idle, browsing and gaming intel gen 12 efficiency is better than zen 3. Only on full load zen 3 is better. So if you don't do everyday rendering, intel it's a lot better as efficiency.
@@henryt9731 You don't think Alder Lake having a similar efficiency to a 5800x is progress? Check out some 11th gen benchmarks and you will see that 12th gen is a massive improvement in efficiency (except for the i9, that cpu is basically maxed OCed at stock).
@@henryt9731 Typical Ryzen Boy JAJAJAJAJA, Only in a famous Benchmarks with CPU at 100% you see famous 240W at i9 12th Gen. But in real life consumes it's really less than that, you can searched a many videos fake the Intel "Power Hugs" o something like that
interesting to watch this even after snatching a 12600K beginning of December 2021 with an MSI Z690 edge (DDR4) and paired it with my precious Asus Strix ROG RTX2080 Ti OC.Hope the RTX 4xxx will be on shelves some day after release.
Very valuable information, well done on the comparisons. Definitely the 12400 is a great options for a bang for the buck kinda future proof system imo.
This is exactly the video I was looking for. Thank you so much for making it!! Much appreciated!! :D
For a much more balanced build, i rather choose 12700 f with b660 over 12600k with Z690. Better system is really aged even better, you can just upgrade your GPU in future instead of struggle to upgrade both CPU and GPU in next 2-3 years. 12700f with power limit off, performance been tested that can really close to stock 12700k. Pretty sure 12700f can really beat 12600k in terms of price to performance. Dont forget b660 mobo is still cheaper than z690. 12600k is just slightly cheaper than 12700f but the z690 is crazy expensive. end up 12700f + b660 is gonna to be cheaper. 12600k can OCed till 12700 performance but the cooling will also gonna cost you even more.
12700F is absolutely a beast. $314 and it beats the $570 5900x. Definitely the best CPU you can buy without spending insane money for a 12900k
i5 12400 and b 660 BCLK oc ddr4 will be the best solution in terms of price and quality
@@__aceofspades yeah, thats why im going to get 12700f with b660i mobo. Sadly not much option for b660 itx mobo with DDR4, I am trying to grab the aorus pro b660i DDR4. Even mobo is expensive, actually is not too far than a good B550i mobo. So its still a steal for me haha.
@@НазаровВладислав So far like debauer's video on OC non k chips best and only for ROG mobo. They are unreasonable expensive, and its doenst make sense using a so expensive mobo just to OC a non K budget chip. Lets hope that other brand like MSI or Gigabyte able to do OC with their mid or entry range mobo.
@@williamchiawq3747 so did you go for 12700f with b660i mobo combo?
Mostly it comes down to what resolution you play at and what kind of games you play. If you game at 1080p or want super high FPS for competitive games then you're more likely to come across a CPU bottleneck with an i3, however if you game at 4K then an i3 will work just fine as most of the work will be on the GPU. 1440p is a good middle ground, but will still mostly be GPU bound.
You're still going to encounter some bottlenecking with that i3 on a 3080 or higher at 4k. The average fps might be good but the 1% lows probably won't be that great. I would go i7-12700F since you're getting a great CPU without breaking the bank for an i9-12900k.
@@pengu6335 I agree 12600K and 12700F are the best options from the whole line up.
I would skew towards recommending 12600K for most and it will be great, otherwise 12700F but only, if you are sure that you will be doing heavy usage task like content creation etc.
Current CPU are the end game for at least half a decade for gaming, well good enough to last for very long time and so that one can build a new system when DDR5 prices will reach current DDR4 levels.
I am sticking with a trend of upgrading CPU platform only when DDR prices comes down, so usually at the end of the DDR generation and that works very well in terms of providing good value and good performance for long time. Usually it coincides with new console generation too, making sure that I only need to upgrade GPU over the time and CPU will last for long time.
2013 i7 4770K + z87 + DDR3 2133Mhz + GTX770/1080/RTX3060Ti
2022 i7 12700K + z690 + DDR4 3600Mhz C16 + RTX3060Ti
So for me this CPU platform will probably last for another decade, if not 2 decades now, if there won't be a some kind of revolution in the industry.
With more than 500FPS in games at 1080p already, I doubt anyone would need and benefit from more in e-sport games, that is hitting heavy diminishing returns.
So if someone who buys such beefy system, probably games at UW1440p or 4K, that will be even less limiting on CPU and probably last even longer.
With 10+ cores and so high IPC most streamers and editors will be happy for a long time too.
Gamers should invest into a 12600K here or 12700F and just be upgrading GPU only for next decade.
Thanks for the tips, really helpful for someone like me with a basic knowledge. You've saved me some $$$ as I was looking at an i7 for my new gaming pc
Perfect review! that's the need of the hour. Thanks for the do's and don'ts. And yes, the video did help me out.
yeah. but from what has been shown here, at least in theory and at the moment(meaning it night change in the future), someone running the i3 isn't losing much if their monitor can only get up to 60hz. meaning that even pairing an rtx3070 or 3080 with an i3 isn't awful if the target resolution is 4k. kind of nice to see that the era of quadcores being decent gaming CPUs isn't over. regardless, i personally went with an i5 12600k.
Thanks for this video. Am thinking about upgrading in the fall.
Currently building a PC. Well, I'm only waiting for the GPU now, but I decided on the i5 12600k. While cheaper options were definitely, well, options I thought it would be best to get a CPU that will be able to handle 'the curve' best over the next 5-7 years. I won't overclock out of the box, but that's also something I reserve the right to fiddle with in the future if I need the extra oomph. The Noctua NH-D15 will see to the CPU not cooking, and the MSI RTX3060 I'm waiting for will see to it I can finally jump off the 1920x1080 train and unto the 2560x1440... other train without worries. I'm aware the build is a bit unbalanced at this point, but it wasn't a problem of pricing, but of availability for the GPU. 32GB of DC RAM (3200), and I believe I'll be set and golden for good while.
Honestly, I really believe the i5 12600k is the best option at this time. Hits the sweet spot in terms of price and performance. With GPU prices being so high, you might as well shell out some extra for the CPU while you're at it.
I am so excited for 13th gen intel as the full build price will go done ALOT and maybe they even put in way better IGPUs and alot more E cores. Still gonna wait it out tho
Would be interesting to see how these compare to older CPUs. That i3 is so cheap yet powerful, I imagine it will make a lot of them obsolete.
old i5 cards are still good for gameing the new games run good not so so good
Awesome vid, so clean, well spoken and easy to digest.
I think i5 12600k is the sweet spot for all usage if you're on a bit budget.
Just got that last week actually
lol iv actually had a i9 12900kf sitting on my desk for many many long months now i cant wait to install it just waiting financially to be able to buy a motherboard. cant wait! great vid!
Very informative review once again. Such detailed reviews create wise decisions.
Thanks for this needed comparison
I rewatch your videos every day 😭
Thanks for this video - been tryin to tell people to stop sleeping on the i3's!
12700K is the second coming of the 2700K
Just stunning quality on your video's with the content o match....Picked up a 12700K and more than impressed especially for mixed productivity workloads..
Can you plz analyze their full load power draw, and determine which is the most efficient, and most suitable for tiny cooler itx builds?
12600K's performance is so much better, while being cheaper than the 5600x, but I doubt a 65w low profile cooler could contain it. What kind of tuning can you do to make its thermals in check, while retaining as much of its performance?
This really helped thanks!
Hello! How do these CPUs hold up when doing VR gaming? Does an i3 or i5 hold up well, or is this a scenario where something like an i7 would have a stronger argument?
I know some people have told me that "1% lows" on FPS are exaggerated a bit more in VR and can contribute to motion sickness, but I'd love to hear your opinions on it!
An i5 or better can run VR
The biggest problem right now is the "massive" lineup of B660, H670 and B610 boards that were promised. Here in the US, you can only buy about 8-10 of those boards vs the ~40 that were promised and about 6 of those total currently available ones are at the $180 mark, which in that case its encroaching on Z690 at only $30 more. So right now the biggest issue is just waiting for an actual sub ~$150 Budget B660 board to slap the 12400(F) or 12100(F) in.
Awesome video as always
looking at 13 and 14th gen problems i glad i stuck with 12th gen .
This video is just in time after my Asus ROG B660i arrived, really helpful making my decision, thanks!
Can't wait to see zen 4 clocking at 5.0 ghz. The Achilles' heel from AMD so far are clock speeds, because they had the ipc advantage over Intel since zen 2 but Intel just clocks at 5.0 ghz+. Competition is awesome.
Competition is amazing for us
Zen 4 will be too expensive, I'd rather get 12th gen now. Zen 4 will require expensive DDR5, more expensive motherboards due to a new socket, PCIe 5.0, TSMC is raising prices too. If you thought Zen 3 was expensive, Zen 4/AM5 is going to make your wallet cry.
@@__aceofspades well, let's wait and see. Zen 3 was expensive because AMD had no competition lol. They crushed the 10th gen with it and then Intel roasted itself with 11th gen. But yeah, I'm gonna wait for ddr5 prices to get better before my next upgrade, I see no point in buying it right now but I also don't see a point in getting a whole new platform still on ddr4.
Thank You!
It could matter for multitask gamers though. Having a game open in one screen and a browser in another and so on... depending on how cpu intensive the other tasks are the i3 could be not a very good option, right? I mean it's using 80-90% for the game alone where the i7/i9 uses only 40-50%
Great video, no fluff and efficient info
Reminds me that i recently tried my old i5 760 again.
That CPU is an 11 year old midrange CPU that at the time had cost 200€ (inflation-adjusted ~270€ now). it can still run a surprising amount of games at 30 FPS. The i5 2500K fairs a lot better and with a slight OC hitting 60FPS very often. Those are 4c4t CPUs.
Now with the current CPUs, at least for gaming, there is hardly a reason to go for the highend. The only sad thing is that Intel is still not offering any lower-end CPUs with e-cores and a bigger iGPU. i whish they had released something more like their mobile lineup for desktop - a 4p8e CPU with 96 EU would be great for a tiny PC. But alas no such thing right now.
I've been chuggng on an fx 8350 & gtx 670 for the last 10 years and was going to go all out on a new build just before Covid hit. Had to wait it out job wise and now I am stuck with crazy GPU prices and my 8350 is really starting to stutter just multitasking... I think it might be a 12100f job on a drr4 board to see me through to hopefully slighlty more reasonable GPU prices. Then if Ryzen smack it out on AM5 or the second generation intel 1700 chips do well I can upgrade when GPU prices are more reasonable
My respects to you on using the Fx for so long 👍🏼
The i3-12100F is incredibly good value
awesome video i just bought an RX7900XTX for almost half price used on amazon and was about to order the i9 but now i think im just going to go with the i5!
Intel really hit a homerun with 12th gen. CPUs are cheaper than Ryzen Zen 3, and 12th gen performs better. Efficiency matches AMD in all segments except the 12900k. Also unlike AMD, Intel hasnt abandoned the budget segment, the 12100f for $100 is a steal, but so are things like the 12700f at $314 which beats the $570 5900x. My friend works at Microcenter and has said Intel's 12th gen is basically all they sell these days, because the pricing and performance blow Zen 3 out of the water.
hopefully AMD comes punching back with their newer CPU’s. We are already seeing just how beneficial a competitive market is for the user
You should count mainboard price too, both combo is almost same price
@@dangtrungkien4999 Yeah that too, Intel motherboards are expensive, especially when buying a DDR5 and having to buy DDR5 memory
The i3 sounds like a good deal but the motherboards are expensive. The single core performance is awesome for sure, though.
Really useful, the benchmarks helped me work it some stuff out.
i5-12600k is an amazing chip, think it would fit perfectly with a 3060-ti or a 3070
i have him, waiting for msi pro z690-a ddr mb
Do you think 12600k with 3060ti wil last 5 years easy?? I wil play mostly tarkov type of games cpu heavy games?
@@ChaPPie01 I'd say 10 year's, i played cyberpunk with 2011's processor, i5-3300
Awesome video, my guy. You lay the information out so clearly
Will you be making a video on the unlocking of non-K CPUs? I am really interested to see the performance differences with that.
This
This
This guy gets it
the thing is 12400 is actually overcloackable.
OC with BCLK is a thing and it is mighty.
Even a small OC makes the 12400 pretty much if not better than the 12600k.
I'm 100% going for the 12400F and doing the BLCK OC, this is insane value and competes with even the I7 in a lot of workloads, even tho it's pulling less power.
Yup 12100f 5.3GHZ already makes Ryzen5950X looks likes garbage in most games
The race between Intel and AMD CPUs has never been more exciting...
It has been, actually. Back when Intel tried to combat AMD K6 and K7 architecture.
I'm loving the keyboards in the opening shot. Those kbdfans screw trays too. Love to see other people slowly slipping into the wormhole
Im glad people are starting to see that you 4c/8t is still currently enough for gaming and that crap being spewed about “6 cores are dumb because the minimum is going to be 8 cores soon” is just BS. Originally was gonna wait till Raptor Lake but thinking ill upgrade my 3700X build to a 12600K or a 12700K instead, mostly cause id still have the raptor lake upgrade path if i need it later anyway and without NVENC(6700 XT) i rather stream from the CPU anyway and feel like it would be a great use of the efficiency cores while gaming with the P cores. AMDs encoder is kinda cheeks for gaming... i been actually wondering how performance differs if at all between a traditional CPU vs something like Alder Lake. I feel like even with 8 cores and 16 threads i get a very noticeable performance hit while streaming from x264 vs encoding
IMO for a casual gamer yes, the I3 is a tempting option, but for everybody else I would still recommend going for the I5 instead. The I3 is already fully utilized in games sometimes (albeit be it at a high framerate) so it is not exactly future proof to begin with. 4 Cores even with the new architecture will probably struggle in the years to come. Especially considering that you are usually not only have your game open as the only program but instead leave some other background programs running as well.
"Are the days back where an i5 is enough for gaming?"
When did they leave?
Man you are the absolute best. Your channel is my favorite!
It's remarkable how well 4C/8T CPU's have held up, especially when you consider that 4C/4T CPU's have been bottlenecked in the most demanding games for at least 5 years (Battlefield 1 from 2016 was unplayable on old i5's in heavily populated multiplayer matches).
Yep especially in 1440p. i3 and i9 basically have no difference if you're just gonna game.
Anyone that played PlanetSide 2 back in 2014 with a 4T cpu and still enjoyed it has my respect, i still cannot believe desktop i5 cpus were all 4T for 6 years straight.
@@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh It's the difference that a little bit of competition can make. Your ancestors will find it even more difficult to believe.
It's not 4c is dead because games used more than 4t, poor optimisation (engine) and intentional unnecessary performance usage (DRMs) caused the death of 4c CPU.
I already know all this stuff, but I watch every vid anyway just because of the directness of the information and the crystal-clean presentation 🤤
its not just the matter of FPS its how hard these cpus are working, that i3 may deliver close fps performance as i9 but its shitting its guts out doing so almost 90C, while i9 barely using one arm. You cant game for 3 hours while your cpu is running at 90C lol
Yes and there's no measure of how much ONE core is being used. Seems like an oversight.
Thanks mate. Good informative vid. Keep up the good work.
Chair>Monitor>GPU>CPU
Right !!!!
Great vid 🔥
Even if Intel has been better recently, I can’t forgive them for intentionally holding back advancements in technology for years not just through their own products but with laptop OEMs as well.
I'd go amd just to ensure intel has competition. We're only getting innovation now because AMD is killing it. Long may it continue.
And even these advancements are at the cost of much higher TDP than AMD chips (if I understand correctly), which might mean 12th gen on laptops is more limited - especially compared to the upcoming Ryzen 6000 series.
the thing is before ryzen, Intel has been monopoly the CPU market. i cant blame them because people going to buy intel anyway so why make it faster
AMD would do the same in their position. Look at how much they raised prices with Zen 3. Hell, even now that Intel is competitive, they're still pricing their chips way higher because they know there are so many people out there with AM4 boards who will pay extra for drop in upgrades. They're also unlocking Zen 3 for 300 series board nows after they said it couldn't be done, to expand the customer base for Zen 3.
@@DrearierSpider1 amd is just another company that will screw you over given the chance thats why having healthy competition is good otherwise 4 cores and 14nm++++++++++++++++++ forever
i3 12th was a blessing for competitive gamer like me, could save a lot of money. Just pair it with 1650/1660, and we ready to go.
I think it would be awesome if you started to include Valorant in your benchmarks. In this game people care whether its 300 fps vs 200 unlike e.g. Cyberpunk
Long awaited video 😍
DOES NOONE NOTICE HIS BIGASS GUNS?!?!?!?!?!
Thanks for this video. I was considering upgrading my i5 to an i7 or i9, but now it seems that it would not a be a wise expediture of money for such minimal/negligible gains.
PFF, nice videocard benchmark! Good job!
New optimum tech vid let’s goooo!
Thanks for confirming my feeling about the 12400 being the best value out there currently. ;)
Your presentation is so clean.
Took the leap, i5 12400 on an ASRock h670m itx ddr4 board, with an rtx 3060ti. At 180 for the cpu from microcenter, and 180 for the mobo from Newegg, excited for this on windows 10, the lack of e-cores should resolve scheduler issues