The most overly complicated Guilty Gear Strive character (Asuka R# reaction)
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2023
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They finally heard all the complaints about strive characters being too basic and decided to throw every mechanic they could onto one character.
His basically a copy of invoker from dota
i wont lie...he is not gonna be hard at all when he comes out and people just LEARN his moves. the fact you get a free deck set up by doing DD (p,k,s) you even have a SUPER that allows you to choice a general layout. he has good normals that can control neutral so he can zone or be aggressive. Once people find out a basic layout the difficulty of this character will drop...but in its own way higher because he allows people to go crazy if they master him. but on its own its far from hard for most season fighting game players
@@ihavetubes Eh, not really, for that you have Nine from Blazeblue. This is... Just weirdly unique as far as i can tell.
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 Pretty much the story with strive, all characters are capable of playing that at any level but they all have a much higher ceiling.
However, Asuka is extremely resource heavy similar to Happy Chaos which many agree is too difficult to play without exhausting your fingers on ALL levels. Asuka is taking care of practically 3 mechanics along with having to understand how all spells work distinctively and cohesively. This not only makes it hard for the player but the opponent. Just because he has easy inputs it will not make him straight forward, but a flow chart pathway to the best spells is inevitable. But how will he even set them up in a game known for having midrange monsters? And who’s not to say the flow chart can be easily exposed by the opponent?
Nagoriyuki was considered bad in the first yearly quarter of the games release and then shot up to top 1 (until inevitable nerfs) because of his own mechanics looking as a hinderance to become the most powerful thing in the game. He maybe consider “easy” on offense and neutral but his defense, mobility, and meter is what really needs to be taken account when playing him.
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 my brother character is not released yet calm down
"My characters are too simple? They want a complicated character? Ooooh I'll show them, I'll give them a character so complicated it'll make XRD look like Dive Kick! They'll be BEGGING for another basic strike throw rushdown character by the time I'm done with them! " - Daisuke probably.
hahahaha, You know.... if he does that a few times, or just let's Happy Chaos rock while this exists..... he might get what he wants.
What’s funny is that Asuka is not complicated in terms of interactions just in terms of how many pieces there are to playing him.
Really funny that the biggest nerd in the guilty gear story line is perfectly represented by the amount of complexity and details in his kit, very true to the character.
Meanwhile the king of the game…ky kiske was left barebones and sauceless.
@@D4C_267 Leo is a king too, Ky isnt the king of the game he gotta share
@@snowys4168 This sharing that ky and Leo has been distributed very unfairly and uneven then. Because Ky is bottom 3 while Leo is a top 3.
@@D4C_267 Daryl isn't even playable man he really got fucked
@@D4C_267 ky has never been bottom 3, stop it. His son on the other hand...
Remember Happy Chaos can do all this, but would rather just shoot you with a glock.
Why read book when gun do same thing
There is probably easy and effective routes with Asuka too once people get their hands on him
@@danielm5161 ah he's talking about the lore, happy chaos is the most powerful magic user in existence and asuka was his student. chaos just doesn't care about winning or losing and doesn't find it interesting to instantly disintegrate anyone with no effort on his part
He doesn't use a glock.
Im so exited for this character ive watched his gameplay 40+ times. I cant wait to use all of my brain power just to lose.
It's all about partying
Well then this guy is obviously not for you. People talked the same shit about Happy Chaos when he first released and memed, just like you.
@@isaacbenjamin8462 Nah im gonna play him
Based take
As a gear player, trust me this complexity will NOT stop him if he's good. Zappa is functionally 4 and a half different highly unconventional characters that you have to master individually in one character and he's top three in +R. Johnny is hand shatteringly technical and precise, but he's universally considered the best character in Rev 2. You cannot stop Gear players from committing war crimes if they can they will. Hell people were saying the exact same thing about HC when he first came out and he has since been the games most consistent top tier.
i mean what makes Zappa Broken is the sword not so much the other stuff. the big ghost is supposed to be his win con but the second he gets the sword is actually over lol. all of his stuff is RNG and the fact he can always reroll on his own or if he gets hit lol if you look at everythign he is hard but the fact 1 thing is the BEST means any time they get it you just lose. they can be half decent with the others but when they get the golden ticket you have a worse time.
god forbit they know and master the charcter fully XD
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 Sword is Zappas best summon yes, but all the other summons are still absolutely amazing, sword is just an extra tier of fucked up. And good Zappa players WILL learn everything.
thing is will people care with 3 top tear fighting games coming out this year strive is getting pushed more and more to the wayside for street fighter mortal kombat and t8 gg was always a nich fighter that never caught the masses
@@Dragonborn1178 Strive has propelled Guilty Gear into the mainstream, both in terms of sales and competition. While it doesn't have the sales numbers like SF or MK, it is still a huge success.
Competitively, it has dominated the tournament scene since its arrival, having the most entrances in every major tournament and being the first anime fighter to ever headline EVO. This year, it remains the second most entered game after SF6. SF6, MK1, and Tekken 8 will outsell it, and SF6 will likely dominate the tournament scene.
However, MK is not a factor in the competitive scene, and Tekken, being a 3D fighter, caters to a completely different crowd.
Strive will be fine, and people who enjoy it will continue to play it, as seen during the SF6 beta where the game still had around 3000 players on Steam.
It's a top-tier troll by Arcsys finally making That Man playable and he's OP as hell, but you need a master's degree to be able to use him.
Fun fact, if you manage to pull the ice dp card along with both the yellow cube and the acme anvil and if the beaches nearby are currently experiencing high tide while saturn is in retrograde and (perhaps most importantly) you had a big hearty breakfast, it is TECHNICALLY possible to get a combo that does up to 25% of the opponents health bar (assuming they're playing chipp).
Oh thank god, finally a way to teach those Chipps a lesson
You know, theres plenty of viable options why a character like this appeals to people. You don't need to be such an asshole on the internet for points dude.
_Potikemn BUSTA_
I think the best way I can describe the importance of his implementation in the game is that characters like him won't be played by many (unless he's absolutely busted), but him being there means a lot for those who want to flex their muscles. After some time, it gets obnoxious listening to vocal doomers who talk about how their game is simple and has no depth. While I doubt most of them will play Asuka, it's nice that people who WANT a more complicated character have someone like him to consider when talking about the game.
Brian has this weird condescending attitude this entire video. Might just be me. But some people like to take their time to explore a new character. Its like he is trying to disparage other types of fun in fighting games other than his own
@@isaacbenjamin8462 He is a street fighter guy not an anime fighter. Anime fighting games in general have a larger range of character archetypes then SF. Street Fighter really has about 2-4 character archetypes that are re-used over and over again.
@@isaacbenjamin8462 who cares about anyone else- you clicked the video to hear his opinion, he doesnt need to add a disclaimer to acknowledge that different things are for different people. you dont need to jum pto the defence of anime fighting games crazy mechanics when someone voices an opinion on how dislocated they seem in comparison to the rest of the current content. with your mindset, every time someone dislikes something in a fighting game they have to say "and i know this isnt true for everybody but for me-"
@@isaacbenjamin8462Ye that shit was corny ngl
@@satsu3098Opinion has nothing to do with disparaging other people's opinions on something. It's condescending, not that I really give two shits myself it's just lame asl to white knight another man instead of calling a spade a spade because that's exactly what that was.
I love that Rule of Cool still reigns in Guilty Gear.
on one hand its hard to imagine a lot of people putting time into asuka with how complicated he is, but on the other hand nine was really complicated in blazblue and she was considered really strong
Nine isn't really that complicated, though. You can coast for a long time just by autopiloting a few select strings that get you specific spells.
she has pretty complicated mechanics, but you just needed to learn a tiny portion of that depth to do really well, so you didnt need to actually understand all that.
Nine was probably the simplest Top Tier, in CF at least.
I don't play BB, but from everyone I've seen who described her, she unfortunately could ignore most of her mechanics and just focus on the stuff that was really strong. With how Asuka's moveset is structured more like a deck, I do think you will have to be more thoughtfull with your options in comparison.
Everyone telling you this but it's true, 9 is pretty simple. Just need a few strings in your pocket and you gravy. Execution was easy to. I see your point though.
Strive players better be respecting the cubes.
I imagine it’ll be a spectacle when someone masters him.
looking through the spell list i now realize ive watched the early access asuka footage so much i know what almost every spell does
I love that his Super to gamba is like, "Hold on a minute." And just makes the other character wait off screen. I wonder if they fall during it if they are airborn.
I LOVE the idea of having some kind of Exodia-type effect for managing to bookmark a particular card from all 3 decks. Probably impossible to make this idea both fun and fair in the idea's purest form, but maybe a unique bonus effect for various inter-deck combos could be a good middle-ground.
"My Deck Has No Weak Cards, Sol!"
Phoenix Wright
I mean, would an instant kill be that insane in GGST where most characters are dying in a few interactions anyways?
Some people are trying to get me to delve into the weeds and describe what I think is and isn't acceptable in GGST, and how this idea compares to existing FG designs. But to do that, I'd have to come up with potential implementations and think them through in detail. Thought experiments are fun, but come on guys. this is youtube comments. I got things to do.
10:15 Peacock zooming like Brian was personnally calling her out :')
I think the reason they made Asuka so crazy is because for the first time in like 25 years he’s finally actually playable. He’s one of if not THEE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER in this game’s story so. Yeah, I see why they made him so complicated and extra, and I’m all for it personally. For how barebones and boring Strive has been I’m very welcoming of this classic guilty gear over-complication :D
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I just kinda wish they made Strive characters in general not so overly simplified, what made +r and xrd fun for me was the amount of dumb shit you could do on characters in those games and Strive characters lost that sauce. I didn't play Strive in a long ass time but honestly I'm down to try out Asuka
@@elaxlol223 this is as a newcomer, but I love the simplicity of certain characters, but can definetly understand more experienced or long term players of the series.
But now that I’m hooked into the game, I don’t think I’ll quit even if they make every character have more complexity in a later season
@@pian-0g445 yep that happens to everyone that plays a fighting game for a certain period of time. Start off as a baby then come out as a man then they start easing your way into the more complex stuff cuz nothing more satisfying than thinking your something is too hard or complicated then you end up figuring it out.
they talked about adding mechanics for existing characters in season 3 too, and the last patch gave some much-needed sauce to a few chars whose lips were getting chapped. seems like theyre taking it in a good direction design-wise
LMAO I had that exact same thought process. I had a capitalist brain rot momentof "there's no way the resources put into him lead to being a successful character, he must be so hard to balance" and then "I'm genuinely glad Arcsys pushes the idea of what a fighting game character can be".
This character would be so much easier to understand if they just use card game terms. Draw a card, decks, search your deck, etc
I felt that way about DNF Duel. That whole game is a head scratcher, all that effort could have gone into more Strive characters
@@danielm5161 True, although a lot of that game was made by 8ing IIRC
Complex characters being top tier isn’t really that uncommon for this series, I mean just look at Zappa in +R a puppet characters with 4 unique puppets to control.
Literally the top 5 best characters in BB is also the strongest
Imo it's pretty clear from looking at Zappa that he'd be really good. Like just look at what each of his forms can do. Sword let's him pressure you like most offensive characters but from literally full screen, dog controls space incredibly well and enables some really fucked up mix, ghosts also control space really well and can fill the screen, and Roah is essentially intentionally broken and just does everything well, on top of having a full screen super that does like 33% of a person's health in chip damage. On top of this Zappa himself is just insanely fast, and hard to hit because his dash is so low to the ground. He also falls out of a lot of combos cause his hurt box is really weird. He obviously took some time to develop but it's not really a secret that he'd end up top tier in +R.
I'd say Zappa has a different kind of complexity and one that favours fighting games much more. While he has 4 puppets, I'd say it's more simple than that implies. One of them isn't a very consistent part of any given match, two of them operate on a gameplan of keepaway and screen control and each have very limited move-pools to work with. His complexity comes from adapting to the psuedo-random element, developing a fluid gameplan that can work with whatever form you get.
Asuka's complexity comes from juggling quite alot of variables and being attentive. You need to manage what move is on what button (If anything is even on the button), how many spells you have left in your case, which spells have already shown up and having the mana to cast these things and keep your shield going. It's the kind of critical thinking that's alot harder to do under the pressure of having to also worry about the usual fighting game stuff. You can keep track of Zappa's variables during a match pretty well, whereas you're attention with Asuka seems to be constantly strained between alot of factors.
Also, let's not forget that even Zappa wasn't born a top tier. Back in his original form in og Accent Core, he wasn't really remarkable at all. He was quite bad even. It took them overtuning the hell out of his kit in +R to make him the beast he is now.
He might not be viable but he is pretty cool. The DLC will sell regardless due to his sick design.
Will it though? Do you really see the average player looking at a character with a bible of execution and memorization barrier and rushing to buy it? It's not like his design is stellar either, long cape, staff, books, standard elements for a mage really. The most unique thing about him is his eyepatch, and I don't honestly see that turning heads.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not dismissing the amount of work that went into creating assets for this character. What I _am_ saying is that this is for pros and GG nerds only.
Asuka interests me most of all the DLC's. The mistake people make is they think they have to actually understand every little spell. You don't, you just need to know generally what spell route you want, then empty them on your opponent as quick as possible. He is basically Faust but with some control over the randomness.
This reminds me of Invoker from Dota 2, one of my favorite heroes in that game. It's like having a rabid key combo mini game in the regular meta.
To help a little about the pronunciation, the syllables with U are often silent in some examples, like in this case Asuka, it writes like this but is said as As-ka because the U is silent.
Something similar also happens with some words like Dragon being said in Katakana, we said Dragon but in Japan, in Katakana, is written and said as Do-ra-gon (ドラゴン).
This character not playing a fighting game, bro playing a gacha game, DnD, Clash Royale, and Yu-gi-oh at the same time.
*FGC complains that strive isn’t as technical as the old GG games*
Also FGC: “Asuka is too technical yuck”
people dosent know what they want
As we all know, the FGC is one person.
it's funny rewatching this video and the asuka meta has evolved so much that they actually have discovered the exodia hand now
Its like a Dungeon and dragin mage.
You need to bookmark your spell then use mana to cast it
man i cannot wait to squint on his spells to see what the hell im about to get hit by.
the "simply look at the screen" meme is about to reach a whole new level
The awareness you will need to watch your opponent and also see which spells are available and what slot they are equipped in... Didn't even think about that until just now.
3:54 "Oops! All sauce!" This guy gets it.
This dude has a skill ceiling higher than the Empire State Building.
Me: "Man, coming from Strive, JP looks a bit complicated, wonder if I can play him"
ArcSys:
the missile knwos where it is, because it knows where it isnt, in order for the missile to know where it is it must subtract its current position from where it isnt, to arrive at where the missile intends to be- it does this by-
Someone in Brian_F’a chat called this character’s DP a “Schrödinger DP” - sometimes you get one. BAAAHAHAHA
Ah yea, the old “Hold the fuck up im rolling for my Dp so i dont take damage right now”
this video aged excellently, like prison hooch
4:25 i love how brian starts talking about not understanding while the tutorial says "and many more" lmao
So it's like UMvC3 Phoenix Wright if you needed a doctorate to use it.
Asuka is like playing Blackjack while you're in a saloon fight
They finally added a Guilty Gear character to strive
REAL
Shut up, lol
isnt Asuka more of a BlazBlue character?
@@Modeus. It was a joke that most of Strive is way simpler than past Guilty Gear
@@711_skiddlz ah gotcha, ggs
I just imagine the pitch meeting for this character: "What if we put a MMO character into a fighting game?"
This is the D/D/D and/or Dota Invoker of fighting games
"azucar" lmaooo
this reminds me of old school guilty gear. where they embrace crazy extreme ideas
Are we about to see Brine go from Wormlord to Wizard?
They mixed a mario party mini game and a deck building resource tcg into one character.
What absolute madlads. Were they adding mechanics till the release date forced them to ship it?
name one character in any video game who's only weakness was their complexity that hasn't been extremally overpowered
I don't really play Smash Ultimate but this is more or less what I've heard Shulk described as. Speculative high tier with design/coding quirks make his 5 stances possible to access more freely than intended; broken on paper but very hard to exploit all his strengths and has little tournament representation.
But regardless of whether Shulk fits this description or not, even if you DID have a character whose only weakness was their complexity, I'm not sure we'd be able to tell that apart from a genuine, intrinsic character weakness. Basically, if a character has a weakness that can be covered over with skill, but no one has that skill level, I think we'd just believe that weakness to be a weakness of the character rather than a deficit of skill up until the point that some player manages to reach that unprecedented skill level.
There’s gonna be a few select people who will master this character and be able to pull off some insane stuff
Im glad im not the only one that was like "Huh? what?"
Big Invoker vibes, he even has the same robes
Interesting to see Brian's reaction to this :-)
This was a very well edited video
11:00 😂 Brian sums it up perfectly
I feel like this is one of those characters that just isn't actually complex. I bet most of the time it's gunna just be spamming out whatever spell and watching for your DP or teleport.
So not complex, just bad.
Probably just running away until you find and bookmark the optimal spells.
- Like Phoenix Wright in MvC3
This looks like the most unplayable, playable boss character
You play through the Arcade or Story mode learning the game just to end playing a shoot em up with this guy on the other side of the screen.
Lmao as a hero main in smash, I was having such a hard time to look for a main in strive, I finally found it!
Considering that Asuka R sharp has Nine's rock (+on block fullscreen fast overhead) and an aerial low I feel like he will be pretty good
The question is if no-mana Asuka will replace Chipp as the "Will the combo ToD?" dummy.
Asuka is simply Venom and Faust combined with a book to learn.
Nothing makes me not want to play strive more than an overly complicated zoner, that I would have to learn to play to lab.
Just hit him once and he dies
As a Yoshimitsu main, I think I found my character lol
Man, this almost feels more like a Blazblue character with how over-loaded he is with unique mechanics. He does look cool and I've said for a while that Strive kinda could use a dedicated projectile zoner, although there's also a part of me that thinks they made him a little nutty for being the first character to properly fill that role. Though I'd guess that for all his options and variables, there'll probably be like one test case and a fistful of options within it that'll just be the one people will default to for being reliable and consistent. We'll have to see though.
I don’t know if you have any interest to, but you should definitely check out the AWT finals with Gobou vs Mocchi top GGST content. With Asuka and Sol! :)
Do people forget Zappa was literally a different character for every summon you pulled
strive devs be trynna make Invoker in their game
Honestly, just bought this character today, practiced some stuff with him in the training mode, and so far, I’m getting used to how he plays bit by bit, it’s pretty fun
10:24
You mean.
"What could this be?"
Or
"W-W-What could this be?"
GG always have those unique concepts: What if we could play MOBA in a fighting game? Jack o. Billiards? Venom. FPS? Elspeth / Happy chaos. Now we have the CARDGAME CHARACTER.
uploaded 34 seconds ago... :o
ILY BRINE
Glad the How It’s Made VA is still finding work
Gotta love the 8 minute explanation of why they aren’t bringing Slayer back😂
Now i will have to choose between him and zato for the one ill throw my life away to get good
"I have a dp sometimes," is still enough to make Zato and Happy jealous
You could memorize all card and phase and manager all 4 meter or you play sol and spam C.S sounds good
they done added invoker
i might get into this game JUST for that character, like legit
4:22 is this character from mario party ?
Very small amount of people will learn and master but overall stick with this character but thats parr of what makes learning Asuka fun
I see Brian F is in the “most complicated ‘Guilty Gear’ character” camp
Knowledge check: The character.
I love how Daisuke goes on interviews to say that he thinks Strive was too hard on new players and wish to ease players better going forward and then releases this nonsense. lmao
I've absolutely no idea which direction he really wants if I'm being honest.
Brother I played Balrog in sfv, tried Leo and Sol in strive. I kid you not I almost shit my pants trying to get into my mind that Ken in SF6 has two new special moves man what the fuck
9:35 This just reminds me of the OG GG aka missing link where instakills did win you the set, But yeah Asuka looks somewhat underpowered,but impressive none the less
NUKE LISTENER 6:30 SHADOW WIZARD MONEY GANG WE LOVE CASTING SPELLZ
When he dont realize the hype of Asuka... "THAT MAN"
damn that's a really cool character
I sure hope Arcsys fixes the lobbies so people can play him
everyone else playing guilty gear while asuka mains are out here playing yugioh
I always wanted to be play Yu-Gi-Oh! fighting game. cant wait.
This is a master character and beginner character at the same time.
Wait let me pull this card and throw it
Wait let me pull this specific card combination build and do a yugioh chain
I better be able to hit somebody w/ Blue Eyes White Dragon if im learning all this shiii
I’m dead, they really had the character getting washed in the showcase Lmao
The most honest advertising I've ever seen lmfao
They have to let him lose a round so they can have the theme play out more
He won both matches in the showcase. What are you talking about?
@@drewskidewsk is this to me? If so Typically in trailers across fighting games it only shows the new character doing cool shit and not getting knocked down, yet here like Brian said, you see the character getting bopped
@@Casper15CTRP mb I realized we were talking about different things. I thought you were talking about that video that gamespot released right after asuka was revealed
You have to count cards to make this shit work w
We finally have ''the weird one" in the game i guess
No matter he's called As(u)ka or aSUka, I'm gonna call that sign hashtag from now on
He should see gobou play
3:10 this statement didn't age well.
he looks cool not easy for sure got zone reload the cards so much work and rng to master also the blocks you can hit the blocks them but have to guess the high and low still once you get in asuka in trouble in defense like bedman least asuka has a dp kinda of lol whoever going to main him master him goodluck will be fun to watch it reminds of phoenix wright mechanic in umvc3.
Has Brian not learned at ALL from Happy Chaos? The character with a lack of a DP or anything with heavy resource management like with Asuka?
LMAO almost looks like a Tekken command list
This is like a fucked mix of tsubaki from blazblue and phoenix wright in umvc3. Recharge specials that upgrade the specials and the phoenix wright find evidence
& u know what s worse?
EVERY1 will hve to learn him so they know which cards he has at all times