Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack Explained (Gotenks in Dragon Ball Z)

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  • Опубліковано 22 тра 2020
  • Gotenks Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack TECHNIQUE GUIDE is here as we discuss his signature move - the move that was the highlight of Gotenks vs Super Buu in Dragon Ball Z. How Strong is the Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack and HOW does it work? Plus we discuss the SUPER BUU Kamikaze Attack Explained AS WELL! Check it out!
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  • @AustoLaVista
    @AustoLaVista 4 роки тому +216

    I really like how each ghost had its own personality to add more comedy to each scene the move was apart of.

    • @Sosavelli
      @Sosavelli 3 роки тому +1

      Just like Sex Pistols from JoJo

    • @Jack-qe5qm
      @Jack-qe5qm 2 роки тому +1

      @@Sosavelli oh shit, lmao. I never thought about that.

    • @ClairvoyantDreams358
      @ClairvoyantDreams358 2 роки тому

      @@Sosavelli I was thinking the exact same thing

  • @dylonkrouse2951
    @dylonkrouse2951 4 роки тому +253

    This just proves almost all gag moves are OP

    • @Geekdom101
      @Geekdom101  4 роки тому +44

      haha good point!

    • @Kuribohchaos8
      @Kuribohchaos8 4 роки тому +9

      Devilmite Beam is the most powerful move!

    • @webadagrande
      @webadagrande 4 роки тому +1

      @@Geekdom101 are u making a special beam cannon episode?

    • @yusheitslv100
      @yusheitslv100 4 роки тому +2

      So Ssj4 Gogeta's Bluff Kamehameha is actually strong?

    • @dylonkrouse2951
      @dylonkrouse2951 4 роки тому +10

      @@yusheitslv100 yes he physically manifests confetti out of thin air. Imagine what he could do with that kind of power.

  • @austinh7654
    @austinh7654 4 роки тому +237

    Definitely one of the most bizarre attacks in DBZ.

    • @joshualowe959
      @joshualowe959 4 роки тому +27

      And the most unique. Only Gotenks can do it.

    • @gorus6996
      @gorus6996 4 роки тому +9

      @@joshualowe959 Buuhan did it

    • @Blackshadow164
      @Blackshadow164 4 роки тому

      Ora Ora Ora!!!!

    • @tamsuskaralius835
      @tamsuskaralius835 4 роки тому +15

      @@gorus6996 Only because he had Gotenks absorbed

    • @meliodas2667
      @meliodas2667 3 роки тому +4

      @@gorus6996 he absorbed gotenks so buu can't do it by himself, it's unique to gotenks just like the stardust breaker or whatever is unique to gogeta

  • @gsa_ram5068
    @gsa_ram5068 4 роки тому +132

    Yo I agree this move is sick

  • @brettz5288
    @brettz5288 4 роки тому +115

    Creating ectoplasmic ki to create a concious entity is crazy to think about! I hope we can get more of this and them and unique abilities like this in the Future.

    • @NickMorrison78
      @NickMorrison78 4 роки тому +11

      Humans actually have this ability to a certain degree as we can create what's called thought forms that are purely imagination, but they can have a real effect on personal circumstances. These thought forms can even influence other people on a subliminal level similar to a telepathic message. In other words, you can implant thoughts into other people's minds when they think it's their own thoughts. Then there's what's called tulpas, which you probably already know what that is, but they're basically an avatar that you generate in your imagination, and when they're given enough time and energy to develop, they will take on a life of their own in your mind without the conscious input of your imagination.

    • @yougottrolled5799
      @yougottrolled5799 4 роки тому

      We won't and if we do? We will only see it once.

    • @Thekamelspath
      @Thekamelspath 2 роки тому

      @@NickMorrison78 your time is short.

    • @4nnias
      @4nnias Рік тому

      update, We didn’t

    • @yaboyjackiechan1483
      @yaboyjackiechan1483 Рік тому

      @@4nnias well using ki to create a being kinda happened with Goku in the manga using that super big energy form

  • @the17thhokage2
    @the17thhokage2 4 роки тому +148

    The one dislike is Majin Buu

  • @withered1453
    @withered1453 4 роки тому +66

    Man this attack is crazy. I wonder how Toriyama made this up.

  • @stevenjohnson6962
    @stevenjohnson6962 4 роки тому +34

    The most unique attack in all of dragonball

  • @vigneshs9587
    @vigneshs9587 4 роки тому +125

    Ok so it turns out Gotenks has a stand

    • @jayku1624
      @jayku1624 4 роки тому +1

      Stands

    • @BBoy4040
      @BBoy4040 4 роки тому

      What is the difference between A stand and a summon?

    • @madater3450
      @madater3450 4 роки тому +1

      Jojo reference

    • @kouseiarima9791
      @kouseiarima9791 4 роки тому +2

      So even dragonball is a JoJo reference

    • @jayku1624
      @jayku1624 4 роки тому +1

      Not Giorno everything’s a jojo reference

  • @zouwu4487
    @zouwu4487 4 роки тому +19

    This single move made Gotenks my favorite character as a kid. This is some yardrat-level ki/spirit control. I always wanted to see more from gotenks, his techniques are some of the most creative.

  • @game84cube
    @game84cube 3 роки тому +5

    With all the moves Gotenks has at his disposal and his ability to not only make up new moves on the fly but perform them with minimal practice time shows his outlandish ki control! I mean, he learned to become Super Saiyan 3 just by watching Goku transform once! The kid's got incredible talent. Give him a comic book! Lol

  • @czar17_28
    @czar17_28 4 роки тому +19

    Goten & Trunks, and by extension Gotenks are one of the most underutilized characters in the franchise.
    I need Toyataro and Toei to give me my Timeskip Goten and Trunks NOW!

    • @Geekdom101
      @Geekdom101  4 роки тому +3

      right!

    • @stevenwoolbright7611
      @stevenwoolbright7611 2 роки тому

      I’d say the most underutilized character is chiaotzu. That one scene in super when he held back Goku with telekinesis blew my mind. Imagine if Toriyama gave him a training period and put him in the tournament of power. Chiaotzu probably would have been more pivotal than Frieza

  • @Enerjjak
    @Enerjjak 4 роки тому +22

    This move was always interesting to me considering Gotenks created life with this. It’s also pretty strong since SSJ Gotenks could’ve killed Buu with this and in the anime, Super Vegito admitted Buuhan almost killed him with this move.

    • @reallyhimongod
      @reallyhimongod 2 роки тому +1

      Theyre not really alive, theyre ectoplasmic beings, clones of yourself.. just energy.. Cell Jrs. were alive cause they were actual eggs that hatched, Super Ghost arent..

  • @diddly-squat9332
    @diddly-squat9332 4 роки тому +13

    I really loved this move, it's so unique and creative, I voted for this one cause it was so mind-blowing to me cause the first time I saw it I was trying so hard to understand how this thing could possibly work, so awesome!

  • @YoshaLegends
    @YoshaLegends 4 роки тому +21

    Imagine if Geekdom worked for Toei, I think he would fit the job like a natural

    • @LastGREATEST0
      @LastGREATEST0 4 роки тому +2

      How? what would his job be?

    • @niveshrohan1829
      @niveshrohan1829 4 роки тому +2

      Making sure they understand lore and dont do stupid stuff like the ending for the future trunks arc or having universe 7 just eliminate everyone in the T.O.P.

    • @VYDEOS2
      @VYDEOS2 2 роки тому

      @@niveshrohan1829 thats not a real job

    • @niveshrohan1829
      @niveshrohan1829 2 роки тому

      @@VYDEOS2 that literally is a job there are many people who supervise writers to make it better like editors

    • @VYDEOS2
      @VYDEOS2 2 роки тому

      @@niveshrohan1829 No its not. Writing supervisors make sure the story works. They don't care about lore. Or even that the story makes sense. They also don't make up fan theories like geekdom does

  • @robhoffman7797
    @robhoffman7797 4 роки тому +4

    Vegeto also made fun of that move because back when gotenks became SSJ3 and used that ghost move outside the chamber, goku saw that with the Supreme kai's through the crystal ball as well as when Super Buu using that against Ultimate Gohan. So being part of Vegeto, he was already aware of the move and abilities minus the kamehameha and galick gun.

  • @mikeythegenesaur719
    @mikeythegenesaur719 4 роки тому +3

    This kind of technique fits so well with the sensibilities of classic Dragon Ball, and what qualifies as legitimate martial arts in that earlier version of the world.

  • @alj6194
    @alj6194 4 роки тому +2

    That artwork that appears in minute 1:30 is just crazy awesome! I dont know who that artist is, but hes always been my favorite from the original DB artwork from the 80s and 90s. Hes a beast!

  • @alphabeta2100
    @alphabeta2100 4 роки тому +10

    4:06
    To be fair, I could understand if Goten and/or Trunks couldn't do the Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack individually.
    As kind of a comparison, I'd compare it to how we haven't seen (correct me if I'm wrong) Goku or Vegeta individually use the Stardust Breaker, nor is there concrete evidence at this point in time that such a feat is possible (again, only to my knowledge)

  • @johnbenedetto4220
    @johnbenedetto4220 4 роки тому +1

    So happy you made a video about this. I never understood how it worked but always thought it was the coolest move, especially growing up and seeing it.

  • @JesseNightingale
    @JesseNightingale 4 роки тому +18

    3:55 Why hate useing kamikaze as a comparison when kamikaze is literally in the name???

    • @Geekdom101
      @Geekdom101  4 роки тому +6

      cause some asians get offended

    • @Gypsygeekfreak17
      @Gypsygeekfreak17 4 роки тому +7

      Geekdom101 oh god geekdom just say what you want man
      Who cares if people get offended
      It’s not like your actually attacking them and being racist towards them
      Your just stating something not being offensive
      They are only offended if they chose to be offended and that means they have something to gain
      So just say what you want man

    • @BibbityBop
      @BibbityBop 4 роки тому +3

      @@Geekdom101 it would be more offensive to pretend that kamikaze attacks never actually happened and to pretend everything was sunshine and roses

    • @Gypsygeekfreak17
      @Gypsygeekfreak17 4 роки тому

      James Moody exactly

  • @DarthWall275
    @DarthWall275 4 роки тому +5

    I love this technique - it's like the most Toriyama thing ever.

  • @reesespieces3379
    @reesespieces3379 4 роки тому +1

    Geekdom Your videos are always great and on point. Loyal fan for years and just wanted to say thank you for all of the great quality and content.

  • @esperanzakells3986
    @esperanzakells3986 4 роки тому +1

    Thank for this video. I was waiting for it, and you didn't disappoint.

  • @PlatnumHam
    @PlatnumHam 4 роки тому

    Morning Geekdom! Hope you have a good day dude!
    Thanks for the video!

  • @Acceler8or
    @Acceler8or 4 роки тому +4

    I love the technique guides. They are always so informative. 🔥

  • @soul9855
    @soul9855 4 роки тому

    I just love seeing you do videos on stuff like this the stuff that you love doing

  • @cosmos2870
    @cosmos2870 4 роки тому +3

    Yeah this ones pretty cool shows how comedic Toriyama was even in that point in the manga

  • @Ghostfac3Gaming
    @Ghostfac3Gaming 4 роки тому

    It’s dope when I’m watching your video as you drop your tweet about the video 💪🏾💪🏾

  • @zakman6471
    @zakman6471 4 роки тому

    Gun !! Your video break downs are killa!! Thank you so much.... i understand dragon ball so much better coz of you

  • @dreamy8899
    @dreamy8899 4 роки тому

    Love these vids bro keep them up

  • @TelzTheBoom
    @TelzTheBoom 4 роки тому +3

    This move is on my top 5 attacks in Dragon Ball 👻

  • @NarutoArenaCx
    @NarutoArenaCx 4 роки тому +1

    Interesting and very detailed, well done mate. 😁

  • @j.s0n
    @j.s0n 4 роки тому +4

    thanks for the explanation... didn't know they had a mind of their own

  • @jaygriff2068
    @jaygriff2068 4 роки тому

    I agree I really like the move really shows the creativity of both trunks and goten

  • @thenew4559
    @thenew4559 4 роки тому

    The fact that they are made of ki clears up a lot of questions I had about how Gotenks was able to create these things.

  • @ułttimate
    @ułttimate 4 роки тому +1

    This is definitely one of my favorite techniques, and fights (Gotenks and Buu), and the 10 super ghosts kamikaze attack was kinda silly and hilarious

  • @broaction8887
    @broaction8887 4 роки тому

    Love your channel since 2015

  • @zingmc1918
    @zingmc1918 2 роки тому

    Nothing this creative in a long time.

  • @The_OPJ_-
    @The_OPJ_- 4 роки тому

    Favorite technique ! Gotenks was very creative

  • @44TKO
    @44TKO 4 роки тому

    Now that you explained it I like this move a lot more

  • @banksfranks775
    @banksfranks775 4 роки тому +5

    Lethal from gotenks... he was aiming for the head when he created this.

    • @Charisonic_558
      @Charisonic_558 3 роки тому

      I mean goten just met his father and then had to say goodbye in less than a day. Trunks lost his father to the monster, goten lost his mother and assumed he lost his brother too. Amplify all those emotions into one fused being. Oh yeah, they weren't just going for the head, they were hitting every vital organ at once

  • @redpugc4366
    @redpugc4366 3 роки тому

    This and the ultra buu buu volley ball are my favorite gotenks Technique

  • @Nerdy_Aomeba
    @Nerdy_Aomeba 4 роки тому

    Great video. Been waiting for this one for ages! I think you should of added why the super ghosts didn’t change to super Saiyan 3 when Gotenks went super Saiyan 3. Compared to when inside Buu they looked like super Saiyan 3. If I recall I think this is a filler episode but still. Would another video on this technique guide.

  • @alcatrazvongola
    @alcatrazvongola 4 роки тому +1

    Main Buu vs Gotenks was an underrated fight. I liked the lighthearted comedy in it considering how dark Buu arc was.

  • @adamjohnsingh6690
    @adamjohnsingh6690 4 роки тому

    I love this technique. It's so cool 👻🔥💯

  • @misfyt_mcfly3084
    @misfyt_mcfly3084 4 роки тому +1

    Gotenks has always been my favorite character!

  • @guitarhero661
    @guitarhero661 4 роки тому +3

    would be cool to see your top 5 scenes in the anime

  • @regg58
    @regg58 4 роки тому

    Damn bro been waiting on this one

  • @Gedi2211
    @Gedi2211 4 роки тому

    I always thought this technique was a funny technique, but at the same time it's a great technique!

  • @infernoburns4672
    @infernoburns4672 4 роки тому

    I love Gotenks! My favorite technique of Gotenks! He also used the Super Ghost Balloon after he turned Super Saiyan 3!

  • @abdulmoein9562
    @abdulmoein9562 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks you so very much

  • @callmeinstead
    @callmeinstead 4 роки тому

    Honestly, I think all of Gotenks' moves are badass, with Super Ghost Kamikaze being one of his most creative. I'd love to see you talk about the Super Buu Buu Volleyball or whatever its official name is!

  • @TheDarkFuryKnight
    @TheDarkFuryKnight 4 роки тому

    Cool a new technic vid

  • @martinharper3633
    @martinharper3633 4 роки тому

    Apart from mui being my fav technique of all time this is a fukin sick one I'm very surprised gogeta has never used this but keep up your good videos bro much love 💯

  • @zediahtimmons9704
    @zediahtimmons9704 4 роки тому

    You should do a guide with all the weapons and accessories used in all of Dragon Ball like the scouter, Power Pole, and Dragon Ball Radar and any other thing that aids villains and heroes

  • @khaliphileskosana4536
    @khaliphileskosana4536 4 роки тому

    Nice video

  • @Killacj93
    @Killacj93 4 роки тому +3

    Hearing it being talked about reminds me of a nen technique lol

  • @omyzoldyck1998
    @omyzoldyck1998 4 роки тому +2

    Best attack in the whole series!So original and unique, and somewhat cute!Love it!Thanks for these videos man!Keep em coming 💪🏼🔥💯❤

  • @headshotmax6671
    @headshotmax6671 4 роки тому

    I love this technique ❤

  • @faizaanmerchant2237
    @faizaanmerchant2237 4 роки тому +1

    Vegito knew that because of goku as Goku saw the fight between gotenks and super buu. For fighting 1st time...it's an awesome move.
    SUPER GHOST KAMAKAZI ATTACK.

  • @Utsu-P_Enjoyer
    @Utsu-P_Enjoyer 4 роки тому

    You could do a whole mini series just on Gotenks moveset, that was always the main reason i used him in the games, his extensive moveset and also because he was always the only other one who could use SSJ3

  • @frankbarrie6785
    @frankbarrie6785 4 роки тому

    this is one of my most fav moves.. i personally really like gotenks and wish hed be used more

  • @Mickeysclubhouse
    @Mickeysclubhouse 4 роки тому +5

    YOOO LET'S GOO

  • @SA-iz4hm
    @SA-iz4hm 4 роки тому +16

    You forgot that gogeta did it do to omega, kind of

    • @snin3202
      @snin3202 4 роки тому +1

      More like bunshin
      This is totally ectoplasm😂

  • @syckouchiha306
    @syckouchiha306 4 роки тому +1

    Well damn. I was just arguing about this move with someone on the internet not too long ago. Huh...
    Bus version is still my favorite.

  • @meliodas2667
    @meliodas2667 3 роки тому

    Goten and trunks are smart for their age, I was really looking forward to see what they could do in the future

  • @Ginger-BradMan
    @Ginger-BradMan 4 роки тому +10

    Definitely one of the goofier attacks in Z and I absolutely love it. 😂 Super versatile and I garuntee as Trunks and Goten get older, if they continue their training, Gotenks could really use that as an ace up his sleeve! Can't wait to hear what you have to say about it man!

    • @emomc9557
      @emomc9557 3 роки тому

      Guarantee

    • @Ginger-BradMan
      @Ginger-BradMan 3 роки тому

      @@emomc9557 Geruntee

    • @emomc9557
      @emomc9557 3 роки тому

      The legendary Ginger-Brad-Man guarantee

    • @Ginger-BradMan
      @Ginger-BradMan 3 роки тому

      @@emomc9557 Gearauntey

    • @Ginger-BradMan
      @Ginger-BradMan 3 роки тому

      @@emomc9557 if you're trying to get under my skin, you're failing miserably but, you are giving some mild entertainment at work so thanks for that at least. 😂

  • @kevinlawler2571
    @kevinlawler2571 4 роки тому

    Awesome

  • @johnfinn1138
    @johnfinn1138 4 роки тому +1

    I kind of feel like the fact that Buu could create the ghosts after Gotenks had already split within him, returning to just Goten and Trunks, lends credence to the idea that the kids can do the move individually, otherwise how could he even make it work at that point?

  • @banksfranks775
    @banksfranks775 4 роки тому

    Buu saga was the icing on the cake for me. The cherry on top. People always compare it to the first 3 sagas.. just enjoy

  • @fallendreamer471
    @fallendreamer471 4 роки тому +1

    Can your next Vid be explaining the spirit sword/Ki blade manipulation

  • @victormanuelperez92
    @victormanuelperez92 4 роки тому

    Love using this move good in kakarot with gotenks

  • @xic777
    @xic777 4 роки тому

    thanks again geekdom i always wanted to know how the hell goten got that move man imagine if they do that when they get older hmmm i have a feeling future gotenks can make clones like that come to think of it

  • @chanceneck8072
    @chanceneck8072 4 роки тому

    I finally got the chance to finish the German dub of DBS just the other day and it´s been delightful. They call Kefla "Kafla" here, I had to get used to it but now I really like it.
    Plus, I can´t recommend often enough to check out the original DBZ German dub. They did some incredible work there throughout.

  • @RealTalkOrWalk
    @RealTalkOrWalk 4 роки тому

    Awesome video as always, this is one of the weirdest techniques ever but it's definitely one of the best in the entire series. When is the next Transformation Guide video coming out btw and what will it be on? I know you're moving onto Super now which I know has a ton of transformations between the anime and the manga, but I was wondering you'll be doing a video on Vegeta's "mutation" when he raged out on Beerus and was said to be stronger than SS3 Goku and I've been wondering if that is considered a new form or is that just a raged out version of SS2? Also one of the most interesting transformations that barely gets any recognition that we unfortunately never saw in action was the failed SSG ritual form when Goku gets energy from Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, & Goten but even though that wasn't the correct way to do the ritual, it was stated that Goku's power was greater than ever before and was also technically a new form so will that also be included in the Transformation Guide? Even though there's not much info on either of those forms I do hope you cover them in the series because those are by far the best content on your channel which is a major plus because all of your content is on point so thanks for the consistency man!

  • @knuxuki1013
    @knuxuki1013 4 роки тому

    I always loved this technique, it's creative, I'd love to see more of it
    Just had an idea: What If Gotenks could combine the ghosts to create a giant variation of the ghost, just imagine the explosion.

  • @sayheyguy
    @sayheyguy 4 роки тому +1

    Hope in the future when Super comes back we get to see adult Gotenks and how he's upgraded this technique.

  • @azyjazy713
    @azyjazy713 4 роки тому

    first time i saw the technique was on a bootleg video i bought at a college football game. That was also the first time I heard the original Japanese score and voices on VHS!

  • @Garfewloid
    @Garfewloid 4 роки тому

    I like this technique it's the best from the Buu Arc

  • @kennyomegapushcesaropushhe4184
    @kennyomegapushcesaropushhe4184 4 роки тому +2

    Still my favorite technique in Dragon Ball history ever

  • @Disturbed2595
    @Disturbed2595 4 роки тому

    I would like to see a video about the ultra buu buu volleyball too 👌

  • @baronbeat2210
    @baronbeat2210 4 роки тому

    I love this attack because it creates a sentient being!

  • @maganhassan2627
    @maganhassan2627 4 роки тому

    Now I wish we see more gotenks or just the 2 saiyan kids in action in future dragon ball super arcs lol I like to see if goten & trunks can do this themselves without fusion plus what new things they can add to this technique :D

  • @darthazul2143
    @darthazul2143 4 роки тому

    Do a video on SSJ4 Gogeta's confetti kamehameha!

  • @the_GGGG
    @the_GGGG 4 роки тому +1

    Seeing goten and trunks out on the battlefield and helping out the z fighters against mor-
    damn

    • @the_GGGG
      @the_GGGG 4 роки тому

      @@quicklyform5162 exactly, when will it happen

    • @quicklyform5162
      @quicklyform5162 4 роки тому

      Gooey idk they need to focus on them for a minute if they want to do that or we will have a gohan situation going from weak to top 5 in a week. I’d say an arc with them could get them stronger

  • @egglordsasuke8532
    @egglordsasuke8532 4 роки тому

    It reminds me a bit of a technique by Deidara from Naruto. Gotenks has awesome techniques and ridiculous potential.

  • @rinkeshpatel5188
    @rinkeshpatel5188 2 роки тому

    And other thing is they are younger yet, think if they can do it properly now that would be dope!

  • @johnathanpetersen7774
    @johnathanpetersen7774 4 роки тому

    Kind of surprised there isn’t a kamehameha technique guide

  • @MoneyEyeGet
    @MoneyEyeGet 3 роки тому +1

    Could you imagine if goten and trunks went to yardrat to master ki control with the amount of imagination they have...man

  • @TheDBZCollector
    @TheDBZCollector 4 роки тому +1

    My favorite is Screaming Angry Wombat

  • @ishmum173
    @ishmum173 2 роки тому

    Could you make a technique guide on Vegeto's Banshee Blast & Spirit Sword?

  • @rakeemmcdaniel227
    @rakeemmcdaniel227 4 роки тому +1

    This was one of my favorite technique but it's so strange tho

  • @skylarkstl
    @skylarkstl 4 роки тому

    Sweet video but when is the Stardust breaker video coming out

  • @AlienRsrchPrjct
    @AlienRsrchPrjct 4 роки тому

    Gotenks was such an awesome character. I remember when everyone wanted him to show up in GT. Its sad that he is just confined to his small space of existence. Even in the video games he was always a powerful character. Now he's just kind of forgotten.

  • @anthonygarland8839
    @anthonygarland8839 4 роки тому

    I actually agree out of DBZ this one is by far unique and pretty cool

  • @neosonic199
    @neosonic199 4 роки тому

    Looking back, this technique reminds me of young Naruto's Shadow Clone Jutsu (as far as the banter between the original and copies).

  • @slicknmean
    @slicknmean 4 роки тому

    Yo MJ is getting lit with these beats

  • @PlayyBoyy_Trey
    @PlayyBoyy_Trey 4 роки тому

    In some games depending on which transformation gotenks is in the ghost or ki could look like a super saiyan 3

  • @Mreese45
    @Mreese45 4 роки тому

    I think it's similar to hellzone grenade or distructo disk both attached are controlled telepathically