GT Goku:"All this fighting is making me hungry!" Jiren prepares his attack Announcer:"Goku Wi.....!?" Jiren attacks Shenron🐉 Jiren:"F**k that dragon" Announcer"Jiren Wins!"
Im confused about that, He sometimes talk about something not being canon but then he says that he hates when people use that word, Im a fan but i just need someone to explain to me what he means with that
saiyangod 41205 I just don’t like it when people hate on GT for not being cannon I mean they made some great ideas for arks, like tuffals and the dragon balls making the strongest villains I mean come on I don’t think they realized how strong they made omega shenron
tbh the spirit bomb isn't a reliable finisher considering it always fails (it worked once on kid buu, which wouldn't have worked without the dragon balls)
If they make DF canon I want the dragon to has a color like the transformation that goku is in for example if he uses it in SSJG to be red, if he uses it in MUI to be white. What do you think geek?
By that logic Goku should of bounced the Spirit Bomb back unless...You could also argue that Super Saiyan Blue taints his heart like other Super Saiyan forms which is why he had to form it in base but transform to wield it. But then Super Saiyan God is formed by pure hearted or 'righteous' Saiyans and Blue is the Super Saiyan version of th- And this is a example of over thinking...
@@Naruku2121 It could've been possible that Jiren used some of his strength to push it back so Goku really didn't have any hope of not getting hit by it.
Ethan Dunn I think goku’s exact words to gohan is that he “could deflect the spirit bomb if his heart was pure and rid of evil” he NEVER said anything about it not being able to harm him, we even see the spirit bomb throw gohan back as he deflected it. So I’m pretty sure the spirit bomb can hurt you regardless if you’re good or not, it’s just that you can deflect it if you’re pure of heart
I’ve been saying SsJ3 Goku was strongest at the time. Movie 13 literally has been proof for years. I’m a big gohan fan but ultimate gohan not taking out a full power ssj3 goku
Its not that ultimate gohan is weaker than ssj3 goku its that the dragon fist is too overpowered its just like how kamehameha stronger than any other ki wave (except for the final flash) believe or not techniques matters in DB
The movies aren’t canon. Even if they were, the only reason ssj3 Goku was stronger was because of the dragon fist, which is a 10x multiplier. Also, goku cannot maintain that form. Ultimate Gohan would win in the long run, no matter how you put it. I love ssj3 goku waaaaayyyy more than ultimate gohan, but you can’t ignore the facts. It’s not like goku could just be constantly shitting out dragon fists to beat gohan.
Well the size of the Spirit Bomb is directly proportional to the power within it. Therefore technically since the Universal Spirit Bomb was the biggest, it was also the strongest.
i love that " there is no canon we are just having a good time". thanks i like dragonball media in general it makes me happy we can have civil conversations and not arguments its all in good fun.
In terms of finishing fights/usage Goku’s trump card is the spirit bomb. In terms of Gokū as a character it’s the dragon fist since it’s easier to associate him with a technique that he seemingly created himself
The Dragon Fist is a super transformed elevation of Goku's move against Daimon Piccolo. He originally used the Ozaru Fist as a kid, however, when he transformed into Super Saiyan, he acquired the move through that power now representative of Shenron instead of Saiyans. That's my take on it. In truth, Goku has 4 super finishing moves: Spirit Bomb, Dragon Fist, Kaioken and Kamehameha.
Well technacilly it won't work in the pure of heart, that's why Gohan could bounce it at Vegeta, and Jiren isn't technacilly evil, it just seems like he's apathetic to his comrades, so it probably wouldn't work.
It's like the Nibus only allows the our of heart and that's why Krillin couldn't fly it, but Goku Gohan and Chi chi(at least as a child) could fly it. The spirit bomb is probably like the soul publisher, only works on the evil in you, that's why the kid survived it when it was used against Janemba, and why Broly was just damaged and not obliterated. Vegeta even smiles after seeing that, like he knows that Broly not pure evil, just gone berserk, and right before Broly got hit with the kamehameha, Brolys pupils came back, like he was finally shocked out of blind rage and could control his power.
@@jibrael5705 Wrong, FPSS Goku wrap Kamehameha blew Perfect Cell in half, point blank range. Super Vegeta final flash from a distance, blew Perfect Cells side off
The DragonFist can presumably be performed whilst at MAX power, where as the Spirit bomb is always done from Base form. I think the DFist is probably easier on Goku's body, as well as faster to execute. Let's not forget about SS4's point blank Dfist vs Ice Shenron
the best thing about dragon fist is that it doesn't take a year to charge like genki dama(not the small one) but both are cool i like dragon fist more because it's goku's own move
I fell in love with the Dragon Fist when I first saw it. I wish they made it canon (even though that doesn't change my opinion that it's Goku's Trump Card)
I think they were gonna make dragon fist canon in the buu arc because remember when he asked vegeta to buy him some time but I think toriyama bailed out and decided to end it with spirit bomb
Imagine if that’s how the Moro ark ends, freakin everyone’s hyping up that Vegeta will win but he fails then Moro just says, “ I am the eater of worlds Moro.”
I always loved playing as Goku in the Budokai Tenkaichi games, and my friends would pick giant characters, and I would confidently rush them with Dragon Fist, with them thinking Giants are invulnerable to Rush attacks, then it would land, and loved the look on their faces! Good times
In dbs goku was acting out a fight he did with grandpa gohan... I didn’t know until someone showed me. Do you think you can do a video about things similar to this?
One things for sure, there isn't any Dragonball character that survived after being hit by the Dragon Fist. I really wish that the move will be made canon in the future, maybe something that could counter, or at least rival destruction energy, who knows.
Dragon Fist, cause if Goku created it must have been because the Spirit Bomb is unreliable since you need others power to get sufficient results. The Dragon Fist exponentially increases the base level of Goku's strike, so if he is in his strongest forms (Z = SSJ3, SUPER = SSJB OR MUI, OR GT = SSJ4), his attack power generally wipes out his opponents.
I'd say for the original run of the manga and anime, the Spirit Bomb is Goku's trump card. With all of the continuity that came after (movies, GT, video games, etc) it would be Dragon Fist. Even DBZ Kakarot which only covers the story from Raditz up to Kid Buu decided to include the Dragon Fist as one of Goku's strongest moves in the game, despite it never being used in Z. It's just become so iconic at this point. As you said, canon doesn't matter, so I believe that the move being as iconic as it is should be more than enough reason for it to be considered his trump card.
Can relate with you Geekdom101. When playing the Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 story (as a kid). I kept thinking "Is the spirit bomb all Goku ever uses to beat the movie villains?"
I always felt like that Beerus and Goku scene was like a chi type thing through their god power. I personally like the Dragon Fist and have always been curious on how he developed that move and SSJ 2, especially in that universe.
i would like to see a spin-off of the series where all main villains are not in it and don't exist (except Vegeta & Frieza) and they use the movie villains but obviously tweak the story to make sense
I like the dragon fist more because of its ressemblance to the move he used to defeat King Piccolo. That was one of my favourite moments in Dragon Ball. It feels right for Goku to have honed that technique so that it becomes the Dragon fist. It’s just like how the SSJ4 transformation feels so right. Nevertheless, I’ll put my hands up every time Goku will do the Genkidama.
Would it be possible to get a video on the dragon ball kai soundtrack music & which one was on the blu rays and what really happened with it, Im aware of your video “The Truth of Dragon Ball Kai” but specifically the music/soundtrack. I think a lot of people are confused on this topic, maybe it’s just me and I need to be inform.
I got a question: How does the spirit bomb not absorb the energy from the person it's aimed at? I'm just saying, you mean to tell me that he can get energy from grass, which doesn't have any will of it's own, but he can't collect it from the person he's aiming it at?
The thing about Omega Shenron is that due to the abilities of the shadow dragons and by virtue of what they are, he really only could be destroyed by the spirit bomb. The guy was already immune to physical attacks thanks to rage Shenron's power which also helps counter ki attacks. Not to mention that feat in destroying planets with shockwaves is highly inconsistent and contradicted later. Besides GT Goku in his base form shook heaven and hell just by powering up. I think that is a tad more impressive.
I have to go with the Dragon Fist because it does not require the large amount of time to gather the energy required to defeat later enemies. The Genki Dama leaves him far too open to attack as he cannot gather energy fast enough. If Goku could gather the energy without having to stand still and hold that pose then the Genki Dama would be much better.
I'm surprised it wasn't discussed the conditions for both moves, especially the spirit bomb, needing to be base form, needing time, and viable donators for energy.
People say that the Super Dragon fist is not canon, but those same fans never thought that Goku could have learned that move during the 7 year time skip ,after the battle with cell, when he was in the afterlife.
It has to be spirt bomb as that is most commonly his last ditch technique when all else fails, whether dragon fist is 'cannon' now or in the future in dbs he chose to use genki dama v jiren after exhausting all his other moves.
Geekdom did goku tap into oozaru power when fighting king piccolo in DB, like dbs broly oozaru power form. So what I'm talkin about was monkey fist that was typing into the ozara power like Broly tapping into ozaru power for base right?
I think originally the (Dragon Fist only applied to Super Saiyan 3 Goku) at the time. It was like his (theme for Super Saiyan 3). (Didn't Super Saiyan 3 Goku used the Dragon Fist in the Boo Ark ?)
Dragon fist is a movie move imo. Im not saying its not canon or whatever. Just that its so flashy and epic that its a perfect finale move. If he used it in the regular series than i would need an in depth explanation for once, preferably by piccolo
I think of it this way. The dragon fist is gokus trump card, however the genki dama is a last ditch effort move. I think there is a difference since a last ditch move is a last hope and is more chance. A trump card is your most powerful move with the best chance to finish a fight. I think a good example of this is the friza fight where goku g did the spirit bomb a a last chance because the Kaioken (gokus old trump card) wasn’t working.
The only cannon moves that goku has that wasn't taken or taught to him by anyone else was God Bind, and the land mine trick he used on jiren and when he used God bind on Broly.... instant transmission he got from aliens, kamehameha- Roshi, Solar flare-Tenshinhan, kioken/ Spirit bomb-King kai, Hexa blade-Krillin.
So far Dragon Fist Explosion has 'nearly' never failed vs Genki Demma took out folks from the movies, Omega Shenron, Majin Buu, Game Intros and Heroes. I'd go for DFI!
I always felt like Dragon Fist was the evolution of Kid Goku's Oozaru Fist that he killed King Piccolo with in Dragon Ball.
Kind of how Budokai 3 went with it, think it even got called that in B3
totally
I definitely thought this
yeah I deffs agree with you,
Same thought bro.
Goku: *turns into a Dragon*
Jiren: *has PTSD from dragons ruining his life*
Shoyomomo?
@@khaliphileskosana4536 yep
@@ThatOneMotherfucker when did dragons ruin jiren's life?
@@afinnishfishnet7366 Xd
GT Goku:"All this fighting is making me hungry!"
Jiren prepares his attack
Announcer:"Goku Wi.....!?"
Jiren attacks Shenron🐉
Jiren:"F**k that dragon"
Announcer"Jiren Wins!"
I really want to see the dragon fist once again
Who doesn't?
Bro neenga ingayum irrukingala?
Ultra instinct dragon fist!
If you wanna see it over & over again, just play Street Fighter. It is just SHORYUKEN.
As much I wanna see it, that move is super serious and super Goku is anything but serious I doubt he’d use it
The Dragon Fist, to me, will always be Goku’s best technique.
Wish it could be brought back
Exactly
By far his coolest.
Kaioken is still my favorite
It is solely his too, he didn’t learn it from someone else or steal it. It is his own custom move
People arguing about which move is superior:
Me an intellectual: spirit bomb absorbed dragon fist (From budokai 3)
GnG nice
Spirit Dragon!
Talk to em
I KNOW WHO WILL/AHH SPIRIT BOMBS FADING
Add a Kamehameha to that mix so that the dragon can breathe lasers.
Finally Geekdoms said it- I don't care about canon it's about what we like
Im confused about that, He sometimes talk about something not being canon but then he says that he hates when people use that word, Im a fan but i just need someone to explain to me what he means with that
Bryan V He mentioned it at the start, it only bothers him when people use canon to discredit an argument.
@@oscarmendoza4403 exactly
@@LordYamcha ok thx
Exactly, it's still part of dragon ball canon or not canon.
The fact they still didn't make the Dragon Fist a canon technique is saddening. It's such a cool move I hope they would bring back in the future.
Ikr
Fr
Yeah
It should do a comeback if they reboot GT.
honestly was hoping it would be in Super with the whole God power thing going on. would've been dope for Super Saiyan God imo 🔥
I didn't think he'll Ever use the dragonfist in Dragonball super.
I hope he does one day.
Maybe Gogeta will use it
bbq seitan like in buu’s fury
A fellow Zekiel. My names Ezechiel
Zekiel - Hopefully Toyotaro finds a way to make it canon in the manga
I love how this turned from a debate
To a dragon fist rant😂
Canon does not matter in dragonball except for heroes u can't take that seriously
saiyangod 41205 I just don’t like it when people hate on GT for not being cannon I mean they made some great ideas for arks, like tuffals and the dragon balls making the strongest villains I mean come on I don’t think they realized how strong they made omega shenron
The anime , or manga and games ?
@@cash2346 exactly
It kind of matters , the example is right here , if dragon fist was Canon Goku would have already used it multiple times
I hate when people complain like Heroes is supposed to have any sort of concrete story.
signature move: Kamehameha
finisher: Spirit Bomb
trump card: Dragon Fist
To be honest, Kamehameha is in both Signature Move Tier and Finisher Tier.
tbh the spirit bomb isn't a reliable finisher considering it always fails (it worked once on kid buu, which wouldn't have worked without the dragon balls)
@@alexthegreat46 They can't all be stone cold stunners ;)
Trump Card is the genki dama
Finisher is the dragon fist
Jiren would probably have a panick attack if Goku used the Dragon fist
We know he *hates dragons*
Wait he does or is it a joke
Zerosonic animations it’s a joke from the English Dub line Jiren said. And I quote “I trust no one, even Dragons”
Shoyoumomo!
@@kiiboi249 Probaly would of worked more as one if he said 'especially' instead of even.
@@kiiboi249 ooooh
Well, dragon fist is more painful as he’s punching through you, genki Dama seems to disintegrate you.
Dante A villains favorite question would I rather have a hole punched through me by a dragon be disintegrated
@@cash2346 I'd take the hole cuz in dbz logic, theres a chance i'll survive it.
Dante wouldn’t that be like saying a bullet is stronger then a supernova
Although with the Spirit Bomb you'll likely be feeling pain throughout every cell in your body.
I mean if Buu is any indication you wouldn't even be reduced to dust.
Toei: So you got a new movie plot for us?
Geekdom: Yeah so we’re gonna have Goku turn into a dragon and go up a big bug demons ass
Ultra Instinct Dragon fist Would be 🔥🔥🔥
would be emoji or fire?
If they make DF canon I want the dragon to has a color like the transformation that goku is in
for example if he uses it in SSJG to be red, if he uses it in MUI to be white. What do you think geek?
I think it's a cool idea
Bruh that MUI dragon would be hype as fuck
@@Picmanreborn the omen dragon would be better in my opinion. A black dragon with silver eyes maybe
That would be cool.
I'd love that.
Isn’t the Spirit Bomb canonically only supposed to work against those with evil nature? I mean Jiren isn’t evil really.
Ah yes i forgot about that
True true
By that logic Goku should of bounced the Spirit Bomb back unless...You could also argue that Super Saiyan Blue taints his heart like other Super Saiyan forms which is why he had to form it in base but transform to wield it. But then Super Saiyan God is formed by pure hearted or 'righteous' Saiyans and Blue is the Super Saiyan version of th-
And this is a example of over thinking...
@@Naruku2121 It could've been possible that Jiren used some of his strength to push it back so Goku really didn't have any hope of not getting hit by it.
Ethan Dunn I think goku’s exact words to gohan is that he “could deflect the spirit bomb if his heart was pure and rid of evil” he NEVER said anything about it not being able to harm him, we even see the spirit bomb throw gohan back as he deflected it. So I’m pretty sure the spirit bomb can hurt you regardless if you’re good or not, it’s just that you can deflect it if you’re pure of heart
The spirit bomb isn’t canon so it’s dragon fist lol
You had me on the first half, not gonna lie.
My dawg Geekdom triggered the fans by saying "there is no canon" LMAO, I love it!
Right lol had me cracking up
I’ve been saying SsJ3 Goku was strongest at the time. Movie 13 literally has been proof for years. I’m a big gohan fan but ultimate gohan not taking out a full power ssj3 goku
Movies have different scaling than the anime, M12 and M13 Ss3 Goku>M 13 and Anime Mystic Gohan>Anime Ss3 Goku by feats
Dude I hate to break it to u but if u go back and watch z carefully mystic gohan would wreck ssj3 goku
Its not that ultimate gohan is weaker than ssj3 goku its that the dragon fist is too overpowered its just like how kamehameha stronger than any other ki wave (except for the final flash) believe or not techniques matters in DB
@@thelastushiha3394 and special beam cannon and dodan ray
The movies aren’t canon. Even if they were, the only reason ssj3 Goku was stronger was because of the dragon fist, which is a 10x multiplier. Also, goku cannot maintain that form. Ultimate Gohan would win in the long run, no matter how you put it. I love ssj3 goku waaaaayyyy more than ultimate gohan, but you can’t ignore the facts. It’s not like goku could just be constantly shitting out dragon fists to beat gohan.
I've always been a fan of the Dragon Fist, I love that it's the move he actually creates. It's really the only one he doesn't learn from someone else.
Imagine somebody's smashing n their energy gets drained from the spirit bomb.
Kieran Requena *I S T H A T A L L Y O U ‘V E G O T*
@@naraydaniels7832 Y O U ' R E W I D E O P E N
Lol
The comment about dragon fist up hirudegarn's you know what reminds me about the thanos ant-man memes before endgame
7:56
The way he explained and that “PAUSE” is how I’d probably explain how I love Dragon fist AS WELL LMAO
Sometimes I wish GT was good, they had some good stuff but overall I did not like it, i do like the krillin vs goku ending scene
Well the size of the Spirit Bomb is directly proportional to the power within it. Therefore technically since the Universal Spirit Bomb was the biggest, it was also the strongest.
I really want to them canonize the dragonfist
Yeah me too
The Spirit Bomb is Iconic but Dragon Fist gets the job done
i love that " there is no canon we are just having a good time". thanks i like dragonball media in general it makes me happy we can have civil conversations and not arguments its all in good fun.
The crazy thing it could become a finishing move for UI goku
Silver Dragon Fist would've been dope
In terms of finishing fights/usage Goku’s trump card is the spirit bomb. In terms of Gokū as a character it’s the dragon fist since it’s easier to associate him with a technique that he seemingly created himself
The Dragon Fist is a super transformed elevation of Goku's move against Daimon Piccolo. He originally used the Ozaru Fist as a kid, however, when he transformed into Super Saiyan, he acquired the move through that power now representative of Shenron instead of Saiyans. That's my take on it.
In truth, Goku has 4 super finishing moves: Spirit Bomb, Dragon Fist, Kaioken and Kamehameha.
It’s definitely the Spirit Bomb. The Dragon Fist is more of a novelty attack, where as the Spirit Bomb is his last resort.
Dragonfist is the best and fuck who seas no
Isn’t the point of the spirit bomb is too defeat evil? Jiren wasn’t evil so the spirit bomb losses like half its affect.
Well technacilly it won't work in the pure of heart, that's why Gohan could bounce it at Vegeta, and Jiren isn't technacilly evil, it just seems like he's apathetic to his comrades, so it probably wouldn't work.
It's like the Nibus only allows the our of heart and that's why Krillin couldn't fly it, but Goku Gohan and Chi chi(at least as a child) could fly it. The spirit bomb is probably like the soul publisher, only works on the evil in you, that's why the kid survived it when it was used against Janemba, and why Broly was just damaged and not obliterated. Vegeta even smiles after seeing that, like he knows that Broly not pure evil, just gone berserk, and right before Broly got hit with the kamehameha, Brolys pupils came back, like he was finally shocked out of blind rage and could control his power.
I never been this quick before. I see geekdom, I click :/
NEXT: Kamehameha vs Final Flash
Final flash is stronger
@@damaged2810 Nah. It's equal. Galick Gun is weaker than Kamehameha.
@@jibrael5705 really?
@@jibrael5705 Wrong, FPSS Goku wrap Kamehameha blew Perfect Cell in half, point blank range. Super Vegeta final flash from a distance, blew Perfect Cells side off
The Super Kamehameha is equal with final flash. The normal instant kamehameha is around the same level as galick gun
The DragonFist can presumably be performed whilst at MAX power, where as the Spirit bomb is always done from Base form. I think the DFist is probably easier on Goku's body, as well as faster to execute. Let's not forget about SS4's point blank Dfist vs Ice Shenron
I love the Dragon Fist, especially the GT version where he impaled Ice Shenron with the punch alone before the dragon part.
the best thing about dragon fist is that it doesn't take a year to charge like genki dama(not the small one) but both are cool
i like dragon fist more because it's goku's own move
Just heard Daquains story of your bday (after) party at kamecon
Best question ever can’t wait to see the day when Goku uses the dragon fist again
I fell in love with the Dragon Fist when I first saw it. I wish they made it canon (even though that doesn't change my opinion that it's Goku's Trump Card)
Maybe we as a whole fandom should make an agreement or rule about those canon users. Lets burn them if they mention about canon lol.
For real some can consider super non cannon or gt non cannon.lets say screw the companies, similar to star wars. The fan are the only ones that matter
Dragon Ball fan: Makes a valid or invalid argument
Entitled Dragon Ball fan: *iT's NoT cAnOn*
Me: *This must be the work of an enemy canon user*
@@lordzenkai2004 Star Canon
ZA WARUDOOOO!!
Canon is a thing. It exists. Danny fix this.
@@lordzenkai2004 Thats not entitlement, thats just them being boring as hell.
0:56 and on word got me cracking 😂😂😂
I think they were gonna make dragon fist canon in the buu arc because remember when he asked vegeta to buy him some time but I think toriyama bailed out and decided to end it with spirit bomb
This is one of the best and funniest yet. Great video guest and topic!
I just like how the dragon come out of his fist hence super dragon fist
8:09 I wonder if Goku has ever given Chichi a dragon fist.
Hopefully one day we can also get Goku absorbing the spirit bomb.
Imagine if Goku absorbed the Genki Dama while in MUI before preforming the dragon fist.
WhenLifeGetsDepressing and Goku says this to whoever he’s fighting, “And I am Goku.”
Imagine if that’s how the Moro ark ends, freakin everyone’s hyping up that Vegeta will win but he fails then Moro just says, “ I am the eater of worlds Moro.”
Although I want Goku to learn new moves I love the dragonfist!
Does that guy continue saying "GEEKIE DAMA"??? I keep hearing him say that.
I used to think the Dragon fist was the final, strongest version of when Goku penetrated (pause) DK Piccolo
I always loved playing as Goku in the Budokai Tenkaichi games, and my friends would pick giant characters, and I would confidently rush them with Dragon Fist, with them thinking Giants are invulnerable to Rush attacks, then it would land, and loved the look on their faces! Good times
Goku's real trump card: plot armour
As a Budokai 3 fan, I'd say both, because Goku uses both for his ultimate, and it's amazing to look at
We NEED dragon fist in Super
that would be LEGENDARY
Goku blue kaio: DRAGON FIST!
I hope they never tell us how Goku learned the dragon fist, just leave it as a mystery that only he can go to.
Did you watch dragonball?
Excellent discussion geekdom, really enjoyed it keep it up my friend
Make Video on Vegeta's New Technique,"Spirit Control"
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I thought Demon King Piccillo was killed with the dragon fist.
Ape fist
He wasn't, it was simply a Kamehameha super-charged punch. Dragon Fist wasn't even an idea during those days.
In dbs goku was acting out a fight he did with grandpa gohan... I didn’t know until someone showed me. Do you think you can do a video about things similar to this?
One things for sure, there isn't any Dragonball character that survived after being hit by the Dragon Fist. I really wish that the move will be made canon in the future, maybe something that could counter, or at least rival destruction energy, who knows.
Uh..Omega/Syn shenron.
Power up time, Spirit Bomb. Oh Sh!t! Dragon Fist. ^.^
Movie 13 was the first dbz movie I owned. Bought it off eBay in 00’ from japan VHS with no subs but I didn’t care. It was my treasure
Need the final flash technique guide! Love all da vids👍🏽
The universal genkidama would be the size of a 🌞.
True
Size of an emoji? Damn thats *s m o l*
I saw Luffy & I was like did geekdom101 finally watch one piece? no it was just a sponsor lol
Dragon Fist, cause if Goku created it must have been because the Spirit Bomb is unreliable since you need others power to get sufficient results. The Dragon Fist exponentially increases the base level of Goku's strike, so if he is in his strongest forms (Z = SSJ3, SUPER = SSJB OR MUI, OR GT = SSJ4), his attack power generally wipes out his opponents.
I'd say for the original run of the manga and anime, the Spirit Bomb is Goku's trump card.
With all of the continuity that came after (movies, GT, video games, etc) it would be Dragon Fist.
Even DBZ Kakarot which only covers the story from Raditz up to Kid Buu decided to include the Dragon Fist as one of Goku's strongest moves in the game, despite it never being used in Z. It's just become so iconic at this point.
As you said, canon doesn't matter, so I believe that the move being as iconic as it is should be more than enough reason for it to be considered his trump card.
Can relate with you Geekdom101. When playing the Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 story (as a kid). I kept thinking "Is the spirit bomb all Goku ever uses to beat the movie villains?"
I always felt like that Beerus and Goku scene was like a chi type thing through their god power. I personally like the Dragon Fist and have always been curious on how he developed that move and SSJ 2, especially in that universe.
Can you talk about how the dragon fist can be reinvented?
i would like to see a spin-off of the series where all main villains are not in it and don't exist (except Vegeta & Frieza) and they use the movie villains but obviously tweak the story to make sense
I like the dragon fist more because of its ressemblance to the move he used to defeat King Piccolo. That was one of my favourite moments in Dragon Ball. It feels right for Goku to have honed that technique so that it becomes the Dragon fist.
It’s just like how the SSJ4 transformation feels so right.
Nevertheless, I’ll put my hands up every time Goku will do the Genkidama.
So that movie you mentioned where gohan got slapped easily was after the buu saga?
This a good debate video the next one should the debate of Goku Kamehameha vs Vegetas final flash if that video has happened?
I personally love the Dragon Fist way more than the Spirit Bomb. I was really hoping it'd make a sweet return in super
Would it be possible to get a video on the dragon ball kai soundtrack music & which one was on the blu rays and what really happened with it, Im aware of your video “The Truth of Dragon Ball Kai” but specifically the music/soundtrack. I think a lot of people are confused on this topic, maybe it’s just me and I need to be inform.
2:20. I call that one the Super Saiyan Disco Ball Of DOOM.
7:36 Just got me reminded when Cell says (- Okay planet give me that stupid energy) in Budokai 3
I got a question: How does the spirit bomb not absorb the energy from the person it's aimed at? I'm just saying, you mean to tell me that he can get energy from grass, which doesn't have any will of it's own, but he can't collect it from the person he's aiming it at?
Dragon fist hope to see it in the manga who knows
First!!!!
Also great video and loving all the Dokkan art in your videos
Nope you aren't
9:05 I am a big Gohan fan. He’s my second favorite dragon ball hero. However, what MJxTV said was so true and I completely agree.
The thing about Omega Shenron is that due to the abilities of the shadow dragons and by virtue of what they are, he really only could be destroyed by the spirit bomb. The guy was already immune to physical attacks thanks to rage Shenron's power which also helps counter ki attacks. Not to mention that feat in destroying planets with shockwaves is highly inconsistent and contradicted later. Besides GT Goku in his base form shook heaven and hell just by powering up. I think that is a tad more impressive.
@geekdom101 can you do a technique guide for Ginyu's change move? Thanks 👍🏼
I have to go with the Dragon Fist because it does not require the large amount of time to gather the energy required to defeat later enemies. The Genki Dama leaves him far too open to attack as he cannot gather energy fast enough. If Goku could gather the energy without having to stand still and hold that pose then the Genki Dama would be much better.
I'm surprised it wasn't discussed the conditions for both moves, especially the spirit bomb, needing to be base form, needing time, and viable donators for energy.
People say that the Super Dragon fist is not canon, but those same fans never thought that Goku could have learned that move during the 7 year time skip ,after the battle with cell, when he was in the afterlife.
It has to be spirt bomb as that is most commonly his last ditch technique when all else fails, whether dragon fist is 'cannon' now or in the future in dbs he chose to use genki dama v jiren after exhausting all his other moves.
Geekdom did goku tap into oozaru power when fighting king piccolo in DB, like dbs broly oozaru power form.
So what I'm talkin about was monkey fist that was typing into the ozara power like Broly tapping into ozaru power for base right?
I think originally the (Dragon Fist only applied to Super Saiyan 3 Goku) at the time. It was like his (theme for Super Saiyan 3). (Didn't Super Saiyan 3 Goku used the Dragon Fist in the Boo Ark ?)
This video was great to listen to. I can tell you guys vibe with each other
Dragon fist is a movie move imo. Im not saying its not canon or whatever. Just that its so flashy and epic that its a perfect finale move. If he used it in the regular series than i would need an in depth explanation for once, preferably by piccolo
I think of it this way. The dragon fist is gokus trump card, however the genki dama is a last ditch effort move. I think there is a difference since a last ditch move is a last hope and is more chance. A trump card is your most powerful move with the best chance to finish a fight. I think a good example of this is the friza fight where goku g did the spirit bomb a a last chance because the Kaioken (gokus old trump card) wasn’t working.
The only cannon moves that goku has that wasn't taken or taught to him by anyone else was God Bind, and the land mine trick he used on jiren and when he used God bind on Broly.... instant transmission he got from aliens, kamehameha- Roshi, Solar flare-Tenshinhan, kioken/ Spirit bomb-King kai, Hexa blade-Krillin.
I love you Geekdom been a fan for years
So far Dragon Fist Explosion has 'nearly' never failed vs Genki Demma took out folks from the movies, Omega Shenron, Majin Buu, Game Intros and Heroes. I'd go for DFI!
1:12 *YALL KNOW RHYMESYLE G?!?!?!!*
The Goku Gt Dragon fist when he punched the arugular on the ground is legendary I think I spelled it right