@@GunnzaEIR from doing said 60 life springs and towers, you get the background, story/lore of the whole world, the game rewards you for actual exploration of the game.
Haha the cynicism, you’re not even allowed to enjoy a game without getting that kind of comments. 😂 I understand you. I didn’t play 200 hours like you, more like 60/70 but I’ve explored a big part of the world and did many side quests and yes, even if some parts were super annoying, it was quite remarkable and man, this is a huge game. For the content but also emotionally speaking. Some stuff blew my mind like this on stage mini game at the gold saucer. Just… wow.
@@diegoplanes7183 I agree some stuff looks amazing and I wanted to love this game but I don't like the open world areas. Too much repetition. It's not just this game it's every game that does open world
I just wish there was less filler. And that the story missions cutscenes were shorter. Like if you do nothing but play the story, you'll end up just sitting there watching it like a movie for hours. You'll watch like half an hour of cutscenes with 2 to 5 minutes of walking thrown in-between the prior and next scenes. Maybe get a fight or boss fight at the end of it all. And that's when you finally get to play. Compared to the sidequests where its like 3 minute scene, then an hour of gameplay. But the side quests are soooo dull that it doesn't make them worth it. They had no reason to make this into a trilogy. And it hurts the pacing for it!
Yeah, there is so much heart put in this game and they put so much in it which they didn't need to. It's rare to see a game on this scale these days. The side quests are mostly optional and I was impressed that they always have something valuable as a reward, and they often flesh out the characters. Some of those side quests are so good and I consider essential as they are so unique and enjoyable. After the blandness of 16’s side quests where I felt they were not even trying, the side quests on rebirth as so amazing. Like, there is always something different to do you can tell it’s not just filler, as someone had to develop the new game mechanics. I also feel the cutscenes are handled well and don't overstay their welcome by being too long. Every facial expression is fully Animated too, even in minor cut scenes. I think overall the game was really ambitious and no expense was spared. They tried to experiment and sometimes they failed, such as Cait Sith throwing boxes, or Gongaga region traversal, but they succeeded more often than not. And i respect that they took risks. It's my game of 2024 and one of my all time favourites. I think as it gets released on more platforms it will only grow. Most love it and it fully deserves the 92 on metacritic.
@@Coreisus i agree on these points, yea. It wasn't that Rebirth just "did something different"--I think this is definitely an overly-reductive way to dismiss fair criticism for this behemoth game. Actually, the general vibe i get is that people like Rebirth a lot, shortcomings and all (but I might not be in the same gaming circles where the "shame so many ppl hate it" observation from the original commenter is a common thing)
@@Coreisus part 2 is so massive that it required 2 discs, they definitely made the right choice in making it a 3 parts deal. This is not only a financial decision, but one based on development time. You have 2 massive games to play and immerse yourself while waiting for the next part, there is a discussion going around about what'll happen next, theories, hype and engagement that last years, which is equal to free marketing in their eyes. And the game having long cutscenes, i mean, they're close to the og sometimes, almost a 1:1 cutscene, but the difference was that you had to click a button to advance dialogue, so maybe it felt more "engaging" because of that.
Rebirth was an excellent game. BUT. For me personally, a 33 year old man with a mortgage and a full time job. The game was bogged down with SO MANY SIDE QUESTS. I hit a breaking point when i was 30 hours in at cosmo canyon and the game throws another bit mini game at you that you have to learn and master. Then you have to do it again on hard mode! I found myaelf spening hours playing the god dang piano, racing chocobos. Battling in the combat simulator AND the gold saucer. By the time i only made it a fraction the way through with all these minigames and side quest i literally forgot the story. I really like 100%n games and i dodnt do that here. That being said. All the minigames are actually really well done. Like REALLY well done. Along with the combat, voice acting and story. Regardless of all my gripes i had a blast. 8/10
As someone who has platinum'ed this game, I agree wholeheartedly, but it was a joy the entire time. I wasn't expecting it to be so massive and dense. Easy 10/10. The only thing I thought was missing was having preset materia loadouts and not being able to change materia at all during Chadley's VR challenge select.
This was a cool review. I personally didn’t have an issue with the amount of content in the game. We asked for FF7 and they gave us more than enough. The only thing I recommend they do is add more story content and find another way to clear maps rather than the tower method. The tower method became very repetitive and redundant which slows down progress
Back in the day, for me, playing JRPG was really about the story and to be able to succeed in a game without being technically skilled. While watching some tutorials, I realized I wasn’t alone. Of course it sucks to redo everything over and over, at some point it was definitely overwhelming, specially the never ending Brutal and Legendary challenges, I needed 350 hours to get the Platinum. But I don’t regret a single second of it, what a masterpiece!
Yeah i feel you man. Once i got to chap 14 i was so ready to be done. It was a lot. Glad i finished but i feel like i enjoyed remake and ff16 more. Just found your channel and enjoy your content, keep it up! And thanks for introducing me to Metaphor. Looks awesome can’t wait! Really enjoyed Persona 5. It was long, spent 140 hours but it was fun.
I get your criticism about how much there was to do in Rebirth. The way I look at it is a game company produced a massive, working game for $70. No DLC package, no season pass, just a complete game. To me, Square Enix knocked it out of the park. This was an absolutely incredible experience, that kept a smile on my face for the entire platinum experience. (well expect the final combat challenges, those were rage inducing)
dude, I bought the game when it came out but still haven't beaten it. Too many many games you have to play and I keep feeling overwhelmed. Just got to gold saucer for the first time.
Honestly i love the content lol, I dont buy tons of new games every year, but i still beat the game within like, a month and i have a full time job. I did almost all of the side content and i thought the game was great. I was glad all the side content was so well done, none of it felt like a waste of my time, and it was all optional so if i ever didnt want to, i didnt have to.
I had the same problem. Been playing the game off and on since it's release and finally last weekend (after 100 hours) I just put the game on easy and plowed through the story. I just had to get it done.
The sidequest that asks you to get the high score on EVERY minigame in the Gold Saicer is such a wild ask. Like, I’m gonna have EVERY sidequest completed except for that one? . . .here comes 50-60hours of mini games. Hard mode is getting a STRICT story-only run through, with necessary grinding only.
Oh my god, o worked two jobs taking on this game, i was able to beat the main story in 57 hours, but SOLELY by putting on horse blinders and ignoring side quests. But WOW to take on this game as a husband/father and then other life responsibilities is CRAZY! Happy that you finally beat it 😅
I put 178 hours in the game and got the platinum. I did most of the side content stuff in my first play through. It was on dynamic and it took me 80 hours. The 88 awards for Johnny hotel and the chadley br battles and all that just getting ready for them and getting everything I needed took me another close to 100 hours. But I also went back and did everything on the play log too except for the assess enemies. I’m at 225/230 and one is the cavestalker. Apparently if you don’t assess it during the protorelic side quest in chapter 11 you can’t ever see and assess them again. Other than the last 5 assessing enemies the rest of the game is 100% done. But when I was done good god. I was done with it. The game was the epitome of a grind for certain things.
I generally share your opinion on the game. I tend to be on the completionist side with games as well so with Rebirth I tried really carefully paying attention to what I feel like doing in the game in a given moment. Never really felt overwhelmed because of that even though my playthrough was 86 hours long. The side stuff is always there if I feel like coming back to it in the future.
Man... Other than my blatant use of the word Chore to describe elements of this game, I'm pretty aligned to what you said. Also aligned with your thoughts on FFXVI. I am also tired of too many system and games that are just too long. I want to have fun, enjoy aspects as they come, and miss it when it ends. With this one, they shot too far past the MVP and no matter how sells are, that will cost them. I also thought it was ridiculous to not pick up my FF7Remake save. That was a lot of time I thought would pay off. Well delivered video!
Im loving it so far. Im 25 hours in, at Casa del sol. I love the side content too. But i empathize with you. Im 29 and life is so much busier. Working a lot in regards to my career, and my first child in October. Dont know how many 100 hour games ill be doing in the future.
I’m over 200 hours in new game plus!! This is the reason why playing the original is key… you play through the game once doing minimal side content and then you go back through is subsequent play throughs and do the extra content!!
Going for the platinum. I just competed all the minigames last night for Johnnys Trove. That is my first big hurdle, the 2nd in terms of difficulty will be competing the game on hard mode, the 3rd big hurdle will be Chadleys combat simulator. Wish me luck
100% agree with everything you said, loved the game and it’s story and characters, but it was too much and right now I’m playing my old Xbox 360 games like max Payne 3 and other games that are not that long
Great game! 1st playthrough 150hrs and I took my time. I can do another playthrough in a year or two. Content was amazing because I knew I had something to do when i wanted to chill from main missions.
I have over 100 hours on my first Dynamic difficulty playthrough. I can’t wait to play through hard mode. This game does have its seriously aggravating moments though.
I love these review videos^ You mentioned beginning to feel burnt out around gongaga, and I completely relate. I ended up only playing the game for 25 hours (mainlining the story and skipping through a lot of the side stuff), and at exactly that point in the game, I told myself that I was finished and I bought Animal Well hahah. I really loved the pt1 Remake, but I wasn't having any fun with this one. Information overload 🤯 Really impressive that you were able to finish Rebirth even while pushing through your feelings of burnout--I will always recommend stopping a game once it's not fun anymore, so finishing Rebirth probably isn't in the cards for me. But as a KH & Persona fan as well, I'd recommend giving the 2 Ori games a try for a great (& short!) metroidvania
I played 16 pretty much non stop from the day i bought it, completed all side content besides the time trials, and even though some of it could have been better... I loved 16. I enjoyed ff7r part 1 as well for the most part, I didn't like the "enemy aggros to selected player" system that forced you to play a certain way, but the story, side content and world design felt really good. I preordered rebirth and loved the game...at first, it felt fresh I liked the combat, world design and the story. Somewhere around cosmo canyon, I felt like there was just too much open world content and there was next to no variation with it. I know its optional but I don't like not doing it as the game pushes you to do it and it feels like I'm missing out if I don't. I kinda think if there was 1 less open world zone it would have been perfect, but it just felt like they wanted to push that playtime as much as possible, overall it was fine, but I feel no desire to replay it
The combat system in Rebirth is nothing short of brilliant Its especially fresh compared to how disappointing FFXVI was as an action game with those cooldowns and limited combo strings You get the combo freedom of hack n slash games that FFXVI failed at recreating while also having proper rpg customizations for builds It found the middle ground the fans were looking for years, its quality can compare to the likes of Kingdom Hearts 2 and Stranger of Paradise
No it doesn’t, the game is easy as hell even on harder difficulties, the gameplay is just unfun cause no amounts of skilled play gets your abilities back any faster, getting rewarded for waiting is not engaging at all The cooldowns aren’t here to balance the abilities, the abilities are unbalanced so they could have an excuse to put cooldowns Why would your most of your abilities either have superarmor or literally slow down time to they could land on the enemies, the devs are basically calling you slow cause they don’t trust you can land those mid battle with your own skill
125 hours here. I do have a couple side quests remaining, plus Gilgamesh island. I'm a FFanboy for sure, but Rebirth imho is the greatest modern final fantasy.. by far. I LOVE FF16, Stranger of Paradise, Remake, so much.. but what Rebirth has done with the story, it's world, cutscenes, exploration, and character chemistry is a huge leap for the franchise. It is just wonderful.
Great video. I'm at Chapter 9 and the algorithim is sending me a ton of FF 7 right now. I think I'm having the same experience you have. It took several Hours before I figured out how to master the combat and now that I have I look forward to it vs trying to rush the story. Also I hate minigames but some of these are fun and I do enjoy Queens blood but I only play what hits the main path or if I happen to see someone I can play. If I have to backtrack to play it I won't. I also think a lot of the characters and script are too goofy. It's haed to take seriously and I can't tell if they are tryi g to be satirical or are there too many cooks in thrbkitchen? When you talked about burnout...I felt this with Final Fantasy 16, but I realized it felt stale cause I wanted to finish the game and move onto Spiderman. I wasn't just enjoying what I chose to. I ended up falling back in love cause I told myself, I do t have to do every side quest, just the ones that intrigues me. So. Approaching this one like each world is a Season of a tv show with fun side quests like on Frieren.
I've been fully disabled since 2018. I played the hell out of Rebirth. I mastered everything, and earned the platinum trophy. As I sunk so much time into the game, slogging through tedious mini-games, conquering the ridiculously difficult challenges in Chadley's simulator, earning every single item and materia, and mastering every weapon, I couldn't help but think: who is this game for? I have the time to do all that, and I still thought it was far too much. When I was working full-time, there's no way that I could be able to play this game. How are people with careers, families, college, responsibilities, appointments, and everything involved with life finding the time to play it? I have the luxury of having more flexible time to play, and I still felt overwhelmed. Length of a game does not qualify it as a satisfactory game. Half of the mini-games and side content needed to be dropped entirely, and the difficulty level on the absurdly cheap, rigged boss fights and simulator battles on hard mode needed to be reduced. Yeah, there's easy mode, but that's mindless and dull. I just don't get how people can platinum this game in so little time with all the responsibilities and commitments everyone has every day. The balance of fun, length, and challenge are all out of whack here. It could have been the greatest game ever made, but I think it falls short. One moment, I'm having the time of my life. The next, I'm bored. The next moment, I'm far too frustrated. The next moment, I'm having fun again. The next moment, I resent how much time SE expects me to invest into it. For me, it was a schizophrenic experience of either having a blast, or wanting to set it down and never touch it again. It could have been a 10/10 with better balancing and reduced content. Instead, it ends up a 7/10 for me. A good game, yes, but I don't think I'll ever play hard mode again. There's a good a chance that I never play the game again at all. I went back to the Pixel Remasters. Maybe it's because I'm old and I've been playing Final Fantasy games since the SNES days, but I'm enjoying the classic games far more.
I work full time and I had time to play it. Was I able to blitz it in 3 days? No, but plenty of play time each night after work and it more than held my interest the entire time. Not to mention a large majority of the content is completely optional. Honestly loved virtually all the minigames, didn't find any all that difficult. Also loved the fact there was good challenges in the sim battles. Please don't reduce that at all! Enjoyed every minute, barely noticed my play time and easily over 160 hours at this point. I'm sure I'll do another playthrough whenever it releases on PC. Easy 9.5/10 for me.
I think rebirth isnt as bad as people say it is, I think some of it is blind nostalgia because It feels like the originals come out at the right time and then any adaptation that comes after is met with immediate hostility and high expectations that sometimes feel impossible to meet, As much as people praise the original FF7 I agree with people that it was weird that tifa didn't confront cloud about his neiblhiem lie but in rebirth tifa actually does call him out on that at the very beginning of the game which I think is better because I would think tifa of all people would say something to cloud and it made more sense this time because sephiroth manipulates cloud against tifa because he know she's the only person who truly keeps cloud on the right path, even Yuffie and Vincent are more important this time in rebirth but in the original they felt like afterthoughts, it feels like you cant criticize the original of something people consider nostalgic without getting negative comments but eh whatever 🤷
I did every single mark that I came across in my first playthrough I finished with 80% trophies collected you have to pace yourself and play however works for you but I don't think that's enough against the game it's all very optional.
I was completely overwhelmed by ff15 when it came out. Its 700 square miles! I just stopped playing after googling that. I'd never get anything else done in life trying to "complete" all those tedious fetch quests or whatever types of quests they probably copied and pasted everywhere. Rebirth is 55 to 65 square miles apparently. Seems like they had the same opinion. Not sure how much content is in each game. I hate the word "content" when were really talking about art. Or digital sport. Stay blessed.
I think FFX handled the side content better. There is side content throughout the story, but 80% is either inaccessible or not worth starting until late in the game (when you receive the airship). I just think that was a better approach when it comes to pacing.
Great video. I'm at Chapter 9 and the algorithim is sending me a ton of FF 7 right now. I think I'm having the same experience you have. It took several Hours before I figured out how to master the combat and now that I have I look forward to it vs trying to rush the story. Also I hate minigames but some of these are fun and I do enjoy Queens blood but I only play what hits the main path or if I happen to see someone I can play. If I have to backtrack to play it I won't. I also think a lot of the characters and script are too goofy. It's haed to take seriously and I can't tell if they are tryi g to be satirical or are there too many cooks in thrbkitchen?
Now in part 3 with the obvious departure of aerith this gives the game a chance to add another character....I have thoughts like a visionary director sometimes ..in a movie who likes to add his own things to a movie...what I think they should do is add a really secret surprise character in this game ..maybe a crossover or a super secret new character period..
This is the game and story of my life. Especially after dating both a tifa lookalike and Aerith lookalike at the same time and they were cool sharing me. I can totally relate to cloud where women are always drawn to me for some reason lol
Played next to no mini games. I have knowingly missed out on a lot of additional content and side quest stories. I steamrolled the main story. I loved the game. A few areas for improvement… but broadly sublime. People really need to realise you don’t have to play things you don’t want/feel like doing.
Was always the case with RPG's, you play bits you want to play and avoid what you choose. If everyone decided to do absolutely every quest in Skyrim (even though it's not a great comparison) the game would feel too long and repetitive for most. So people generally just do what they do and hit the end of the game, the problem people are having with Rebirth is that everything is listed. There's no way to miss content naturally, you always know it's there and it's all linked to a progression bar. If that didn't exist, side quests would be spontaneous, along with mini games. They'd never feel like "just another thing to get ticked off". It's all about how things are presented.
While I think I understand what you're trying to say, in Rebirth specifically that's basically saying you want big rewards for minimal effort.@@dizzyb2309
This is an idea why doesn't square enix hold a contest and whoever wins this contest will have their image put in the game and they will become the NEW Character! This not only makes a new character but gives them the ability to create a new storyline as well ...this is my visionary vision let me know what everyone thinks
I bought this and realized i just dont want to commit to the grind in front of the tv anymore. Handhelds are a godsend and in waiting on it to come to pc so i can beat it on my legion go or rog ally in bed during my down time
I just feel like complaining about the length of a game of this price and quality is kinda silly. The story and the cutscenes that deliver that story to me is the whole point of FF. Rebirth to me was overflowing with charm and love, and I just can’t fathom being irritated by the length, or even thinking to call it filler. Like yeah none of this game needed to be here period, it is a video game lol Every moment just endeared me to the characters and my only complaint is that there wasn’t more! But i guess ya can’t please everyone
You never finished Tears of the kingdom? _ that’s such a shame as the last dungeon and boss are phenomenonal. It's well worth pushing ahead to see that.
I don’t think it’s overwhelming. I just think the way it structured with its open world completely destroys the pacing of the game. You do a cool story moment or mission then 10 to 15 hours of open world nonsense then the next story then 10 to 15 hours of nonsense, the first one was a much better game in my opinion just because of the flow and pacing of the game still good but I think if I replay it before the third installment, I’m gonna mainline the story I think that’ll be much better experience
Because there is so much mindless copy and paste work like towers, life springs, it makes the game way longer and really deters me from replaying as I just feel like I'm wasting my time. The pacing of the story gets slowed down with padded content too
Just finished remake and 16. I found them both a bit too long. Can you get through the game without mini games.? I do all side quests usually, but mini games not really for me!
You can Golden Path it. If you do so then you might have to play a single round of around 7 minigames that take around 5 min each (if your decent at them). Maybe 3 more, but they might just be game mechanics, not really minigames. If you mainline it (no side quests), you are looking at around 40-50 hours with about 30-40 min spent on the minigames. (It hits you with most of them during the early mid section of the game). (some of the side quests are mini game focused, maybe like 1/6th of them) Hope this helps you decide if its the right game for you or not.
I recommend doing some of the side stuff. You will miss out on some of the best materia in the game if you ignore all of them. Some side quests also help you to increase your bond with the person you want to take on a date at the Gold Saucer.
I played almost none of the minigames in my first playthrough and was fine. Like 90% of them are completely optional. I'd definitely recommend at least looking into the side quests since they're really good in this game.
I played the demo ,i just didn't feel playing this one. I did play remake and 16, enjoyed them. Think i have enought of the FF 7 world for now,and i don't want to bother with another openworld game😂
I wish people wouldn't bash Square for putting so much extra content into the game. We're giving them the message of "hey, don't work so hard, we don't want any extra content. We prefer to finish a game in 6 hours and have nothing else to do when its over". When a game takes you over 100 hours to complete, you should be happy that you got your moneys worth, instead of complaining. Your generation is trained on Tiktok, so if you don't hear a punch line within a minute, you get bored, and the sad reality is that my generation will have to suffer when studios decide to cater to you, and they will, because its much easier to make a shitty game
When I came to cosmo canyon and the girl and her chocobo trauma side quest came I was like 'Aaaaalright. Main Story only' to prevent this burnout exactly. Idk what it was about her specific quest but she fried my last braincell able to do side stuff 🥲
I'm salty that in 2024 we STILL have console exclusives. I have a PC more powerful than a PS5, i don't want to buy a whole console for one game. I played REMAKE on PC.....why do i have to wait so long... :(
I love this game! But I cannot believe how horrible it looks! Play Rebirth for a little bit then pop in Remake. Night & day difference. Game definitely needs a graphic update and a lot of ‘QOL’ changes.
Aaaaaaaawwwwww, only 100hrs!? That’s adorable! TRY 300 FOR PLATINUM!😡😭😭😭 (currently seeking therapy and sleep specialists to recover from Platinuming both ReMake and ReBirth. (Not a meme))
i hated this game completely. It is an absolute failure and im glad it is bombing hard, sales have been dreadful. I hope the third game never happens and that the project gets terminated. Great video tho, cool attitude, nice points expressed. I disagree with your take, but it is an interesting and well explained take nevertheless. Thanks
Omg the way you describe gaming as work and dread. Play SONIC AND KNUCKES or something arcade and quick for fun. Seriously 😂 games are meant to be FUN not busywork
@@itsSoaren they will also look to reviews with 200k views and likes over a small nobody 🤷♂️The reviews are already out and established. Why would we need another one 6 months later to say the same shit
Btw, the video edit error at 3:00 is just some misplaced footage covering up generic FF16 footage. Sorry about that!
Is there any butt play? Gayness? Uncensored anal penetration?
nearly 200 hours when finished, and was worth every single hour, this is coming from a 38 year old man
Scanning 60+ life springs and climbing up 60 towers was worth your time?
@@GunnzaEIR from doing said 60 life springs and towers, you get the background, story/lore of the whole world, the game rewards you for actual exploration of the game.
@@un_known5895 Yeah if your listening to the chadley info dumps when your at the next randomly generated lifespring
Haha the cynicism, you’re not even allowed to enjoy a game without getting that kind of comments. 😂
I understand you. I didn’t play 200 hours like you, more like 60/70 but I’ve explored a big part of the world and did many side quests and yes, even if some parts were super annoying, it was quite remarkable and man, this is a huge game. For the content but also emotionally speaking. Some stuff blew my mind like this on stage mini game at the gold saucer. Just… wow.
@@diegoplanes7183 I agree some stuff looks amazing and I wanted to love this game but I don't like the open world areas. Too much repetition. It's not just this game it's every game that does open world
The game is amazing there is nothing wrong with having a bunch of content for a 70$ game
Yeah. People that still say the 3 parts thing was not necessary would definitely not pay 200$ for the complete game.
142 hours for me. I did all the side quests and Chadley stuff because I didn't want it to end. also took about 400 screen shots.
I’ve learned to enjoy games way more by letting go of my completionist tendencies.
Rebirth was the best FF game since X and felt like a true return. Shame so many ppl hate it cause it did something different
I just wish there was less filler. And that the story missions cutscenes were shorter.
Like if you do nothing but play the story, you'll end up just sitting there watching it like a movie for hours.
You'll watch like half an hour of cutscenes with 2 to 5 minutes of walking thrown in-between the prior and next scenes. Maybe get a fight or boss fight at the end of it all. And that's when you finally get to play.
Compared to the sidequests where its like 3 minute scene, then an hour of gameplay.
But the side quests are soooo dull that it doesn't make them worth it.
They had no reason to make this into a trilogy. And it hurts the pacing for it!
Yeah, there is so much heart put in this game and they put so much in it which they didn't need to. It's rare to see a game on this scale these days.
The side quests are mostly optional and I was impressed that they always have something valuable as a reward, and they often flesh out the characters. Some of those side quests are so good and I consider essential as they are so unique and enjoyable. After the blandness of 16’s side quests where I felt they were not even trying, the side quests on rebirth as so amazing. Like, there is always something different to do you can tell it’s not just filler, as someone had to develop the new game mechanics.
I also feel the cutscenes are handled well and don't overstay their welcome by being too long. Every facial expression is fully Animated too, even in minor cut scenes.
I think overall the game was really ambitious and no expense was spared. They tried to experiment and sometimes they failed, such as Cait Sith throwing boxes, or Gongaga region traversal, but they succeeded more often than not. And i respect that they took risks.
It's my game of 2024 and one of my all time favourites. I think as it gets released on more platforms it will only grow. Most love it and it fully deserves the 92 on metacritic.
@@Coreisus i agree on these points, yea. It wasn't that Rebirth just "did something different"--I think this is definitely an overly-reductive way to dismiss fair criticism for this behemoth game. Actually, the general vibe i get is that people like Rebirth a lot, shortcomings and all (but I might not be in the same gaming circles where the "shame so many ppl hate it" observation from the original commenter is a common thing)
I’m a fan of FF13. Imagine how THAT feels😂
@@Coreisus part 2 is so massive that it required 2 discs, they definitely made the right choice in making it a 3 parts deal.
This is not only a financial decision, but one based on development time. You have 2 massive games to play and immerse yourself while waiting for the next part, there is a discussion going around about what'll happen next, theories, hype and engagement that last years, which is equal to free marketing in their eyes.
And the game having long cutscenes, i mean, they're close to the og sometimes, almost a 1:1 cutscene, but the difference was that you had to click a button to advance dialogue, so maybe it felt more "engaging" because of that.
Rebirth was an excellent game. BUT.
For me personally, a 33 year old man with a mortgage and a full time job. The game was bogged down with SO MANY SIDE QUESTS.
I hit a breaking point when i was 30 hours in at cosmo canyon and the game throws another bit mini game at you that you have to learn and master. Then you have to do it again on hard mode!
I found myaelf spening hours playing the god dang piano, racing chocobos. Battling in the combat simulator AND the gold saucer.
By the time i only made it a fraction the way through with all these minigames and side quest i literally forgot the story.
I really like 100%n games and i dodnt do that here.
That being said. All the minigames are actually really well done. Like REALLY well done. Along with the combat, voice acting and story.
Regardless of all my gripes i had a blast.
8/10
As someone who has platinum'ed this game, I agree wholeheartedly, but it was a joy the entire time.
I wasn't expecting it to be so massive and dense. Easy 10/10.
The only thing I thought was missing was having preset materia loadouts and not being able to change materia at all during Chadley's VR challenge select.
The final battle is one of the all time favorites for me. So far both remake's was great Rebirth's is just crazy good.
@@ValkMyda The ending showdown definitely felt worth it!
@@overleveledgames I was smiling the whole time during the final battles. Can't believe they dropped the final boss from OG out of nowhere!
I loved it, too! The very last fight, where it’s just you and Aerith against Sephiroth, was hard as shit, but was truly fucking epic!
Definitely subscribed. I feel exactly the same way as you about this game. Looking forward to seeing your channel grow.
This was a cool review. I personally didn’t have an issue with the amount of content in the game. We asked for FF7 and they gave us more than enough. The only thing I recommend they do is add more story content and find another way to clear maps rather than the tower method. The tower method became very repetitive and redundant which slows down progress
Back in the day, for me, playing JRPG was really about the story and to be able to succeed in a game without being technically skilled. While watching some tutorials, I realized I wasn’t alone. Of course it sucks to redo everything over and over, at some point it was definitely overwhelming, specially the never ending Brutal and Legendary challenges, I needed 350 hours to get the Platinum. But I don’t regret a single second of it, what a masterpiece!
My favorite game of all time that platinum felt so glorious.
Yeah i feel you man. Once i got to chap 14 i was so ready to be done. It was a lot. Glad i finished but i feel like i enjoyed remake and ff16 more.
Just found your channel and enjoy your content, keep it up! And thanks for introducing me to Metaphor. Looks awesome can’t wait! Really enjoyed Persona 5. It was long, spent 140 hours but it was fun.
I get your criticism about how much there was to do in Rebirth. The way I look at it is a game company produced a massive, working game for $70. No DLC package, no season pass, just a complete game. To me, Square Enix knocked it out of the park. This was an absolutely incredible experience, that kept a smile on my face for the entire platinum experience. (well expect the final combat challenges, those were rage inducing)
dude, I bought the game when it came out but still haven't beaten it. Too many many games you have to play and I keep feeling overwhelmed. Just got to gold saucer for the first time.
I platinumed this beast, and I fully concur with the title. This was a whole lot of video game to play. Looking forward to watching!
The density of this game is a huge topic in the video, haha. I can't imagine how long the platinum took you!
Honestly i love the content lol, I dont buy tons of new games every year, but i still beat the game within like, a month and i have a full time job. I did almost all of the side content and i thought the game was great. I was glad all the side content was so well done, none of it felt like a waste of my time, and it was all optional so if i ever didnt want to, i didnt have to.
I had the same problem. Been playing the game off and on since it's release and finally last weekend (after 100 hours) I just put the game on easy and plowed through the story. I just had to get it done.
You get it, haha
I bought a ps5 for this and do not regret, I saved all the side content for future playthroughs though because Im smart like that :P
I never 100% games. Unless I feel motivated intrinsically.
The sidequest that asks you to get the high score on EVERY minigame in the Gold Saicer is such a wild ask. Like, I’m gonna have EVERY sidequest completed except for that one?
. . .here comes 50-60hours of mini games.
Hard mode is getting a STRICT story-only run through, with necessary grinding only.
Oh my god, o worked two jobs taking on this game, i was able to beat the main story in 57 hours, but SOLELY by putting on horse blinders and ignoring side quests. But WOW to take on this game as a husband/father and then other life responsibilities is CRAZY! Happy that you finally beat it 😅
I put 178 hours in the game and got the platinum. I did most of the side content stuff in my first play through. It was on dynamic and it took me 80 hours. The 88 awards for Johnny hotel and the chadley br battles and all that just getting ready for them and getting everything I needed took me another close to 100 hours. But I also went back and did everything on the play log too except for the assess enemies. I’m at 225/230 and one is the cavestalker. Apparently if you don’t assess it during the protorelic side quest in chapter 11 you can’t ever see and assess them again. Other than the last 5 assessing enemies the rest of the game is 100% done. But when I was done good god. I was done with it. The game was the epitome of a grind for certain things.
I played it through first focussing on story, not caring about side quests. I then went back and platinum’d it. 120 hours total. So fun!
Its ambitious but its indeed a mixed bag. Nice to see Square try to push itself for once tho. 7/10
I generally share your opinion on the game. I tend to be on the completionist side with games as well so with Rebirth I tried really carefully paying attention to what I feel like doing in the game in a given moment. Never really felt overwhelmed because of that even though my playthrough was 86 hours long. The side stuff is always there if I feel like coming back to it in the future.
Man... Other than my blatant use of the word Chore to describe elements of this game, I'm pretty aligned to what you said. Also aligned with your thoughts on FFXVI. I am also tired of too many system and games that are just too long. I want to have fun, enjoy aspects as they come, and miss it when it ends. With this one, they shot too far past the MVP and no matter how sells are, that will cost them. I also thought it was ridiculous to not pick up my FF7Remake save. That was a lot of time I thought would pay off.
Well delivered video!
Im loving it so far. Im 25 hours in, at Casa del sol. I love the side content too.
But i empathize with you. Im 29 and life is so much busier. Working a lot in regards to my career, and my first child in October. Dont know how many 100 hour games ill be doing in the future.
I’m over 200 hours in new game plus!! This is the reason why playing the original is key… you play through the game once doing minimal side content and then you go back through is subsequent play throughs and do the extra content!!
Going for the platinum. I just competed all the minigames last night for Johnnys Trove. That is my first big hurdle, the 2nd in terms of difficulty will be competing the game on hard mode, the 3rd big hurdle will be Chadleys combat simulator. Wish me luck
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100% agree with everything you said, loved the game and it’s story and characters, but it was too much and right now I’m playing my old Xbox 360 games like max Payne 3 and other games that are not that long
Great game! 1st playthrough 150hrs and I took my time. I can do another playthrough in a year or two. Content was amazing because I knew I had something to do when i wanted to chill from main missions.
Thanks for the video! Glad I’m not the only who felt this way lol
Much appreciated! Thank you for your support!
I have over 100 hours on my first Dynamic difficulty playthrough. I can’t wait to play through hard mode.
This game does have its seriously aggravating moments though.
Side content and mini-games is something that i will always love in my games. I'm not a speedrunner, i want to sink in the world as much as i can.
I love these review videos^
You mentioned beginning to feel burnt out around gongaga, and I completely relate. I ended up only playing the game for 25 hours (mainlining the story and skipping through a lot of the side stuff), and at exactly that point in the game, I told myself that I was finished and I bought Animal Well hahah. I really loved the pt1 Remake, but I wasn't having any fun with this one. Information overload 🤯
Really impressive that you were able to finish Rebirth even while pushing through your feelings of burnout--I will always recommend stopping a game once it's not fun anymore, so finishing Rebirth probably isn't in the cards for me. But as a KH & Persona fan as well, I'd recommend giving the 2 Ori games a try for a great (& short!) metroidvania
I've been meaning to start Ori with my wife! Thanks for bringing that up, we'll have to start it soon!
I played 16 pretty much non stop from the day i bought it, completed all side content besides the time trials, and even though some of it could have been better... I loved 16.
I enjoyed ff7r part 1 as well for the most part, I didn't like the "enemy aggros to selected player" system that forced you to play a certain way, but the story, side content and world design felt really good.
I preordered rebirth and loved the game...at first, it felt fresh I liked the combat, world design and the story. Somewhere around cosmo canyon, I felt like there was just too much open world content and there was next to no variation with it. I know its optional but I don't like not doing it as the game pushes you to do it and it feels like I'm missing out if I don't. I kinda think if there was 1 less open world zone it would have been perfect, but it just felt like they wanted to push that playtime as much as possible, overall it was fine, but I feel no desire to replay it
The combat system in Rebirth is nothing short of brilliant
Its especially fresh compared to how disappointing FFXVI was as an action game with those cooldowns and limited combo strings
You get the combo freedom of hack n slash games that FFXVI failed at recreating while also having proper rpg customizations for builds
It found the middle ground the fans were looking for years, its quality can compare to the likes of Kingdom Hearts 2 and Stranger of Paradise
It really has set the bar for action combat in the series!
You must suck at 16s combat cause 16 NEEDS the cooldowns
No it doesn’t, the game is easy as hell even on harder difficulties, the gameplay is just unfun cause no amounts of skilled play gets your abilities back any faster, getting rewarded for waiting is not engaging at all
The cooldowns aren’t here to balance the abilities, the abilities are unbalanced so they could have an excuse to put cooldowns
Why would your most of your abilities either have superarmor or literally slow down time to they could land on the enemies, the devs are basically calling you slow cause they don’t trust you can land those mid battle with your own skill
125 hours here. I do have a couple side quests remaining, plus Gilgamesh island. I'm a FFanboy for sure, but Rebirth imho is the greatest modern final fantasy.. by far. I LOVE FF16, Stranger of Paradise, Remake, so much.. but what Rebirth has done with the story, it's world, cutscenes, exploration, and character chemistry is a huge leap for the franchise. It is just wonderful.
There are few games I would've loved to pay full price for at release, this is one of them. I've played games I didnt have fun with or just boring
IT'S ABOUT FRIGGIN TIME BRO! That's all I gotta say.
Great video. I'm at Chapter 9 and the algorithim is sending me a ton of FF 7 right now. I think I'm having the same experience you have. It took several Hours before I figured out how to master the combat and now that I have I look forward to it vs trying to rush the story.
Also I hate minigames but some of these are fun and I do enjoy Queens blood but I only play what hits the main path or if I happen to see someone I can play. If I have to backtrack to play it I won't.
I also think a lot of the characters and script are too goofy. It's haed to take seriously and I can't tell if they are tryi g to be satirical or are there too many cooks in thrbkitchen?
When you talked about burnout...I felt this with Final Fantasy 16, but I realized it felt stale cause I wanted to finish the game and move onto Spiderman. I wasn't just enjoying what I chose to. I ended up falling back in love cause I told myself, I do t have to do every side quest, just the ones that intrigues me. So. Approaching this one like each world is a Season of a tv show with fun side quests like on Frieren.
I've been fully disabled since 2018. I played the hell out of Rebirth. I mastered everything, and earned the platinum trophy.
As I sunk so much time into the game, slogging through tedious mini-games, conquering the ridiculously difficult challenges in Chadley's simulator, earning every single item and materia, and mastering every weapon, I couldn't help but think: who is this game for? I have the time to do all that, and I still thought it was far too much. When I was working full-time, there's no way that I could be able to play this game. How are people with careers, families, college, responsibilities, appointments, and everything involved with life finding the time to play it? I have the luxury of having more flexible time to play, and I still felt overwhelmed.
Length of a game does not qualify it as a satisfactory game. Half of the mini-games and side content needed to be dropped entirely, and the difficulty level on the absurdly cheap, rigged boss fights and simulator battles on hard mode needed to be reduced. Yeah, there's easy mode, but that's mindless and dull. I just don't get how people can platinum this game in so little time with all the responsibilities and commitments everyone has every day.
The balance of fun, length, and challenge are all out of whack here. It could have been the greatest game ever made, but I think it falls short. One moment, I'm having the time of my life. The next, I'm bored. The next moment, I'm far too frustrated. The next moment, I'm having fun again. The next moment, I resent how much time SE expects me to invest into it. For me, it was a schizophrenic experience of either having a blast, or wanting to set it down and never touch it again.
It could have been a 10/10 with better balancing and reduced content. Instead, it ends up a 7/10 for me. A good game, yes, but I don't think I'll ever play hard mode again. There's a good a chance that I never play the game again at all.
I went back to the Pixel Remasters. Maybe it's because I'm old and I've been playing Final Fantasy games since the SNES days, but I'm enjoying the classic games far more.
Man, thank you so much for sharing!
I work full time and I had time to play it. Was I able to blitz it in 3 days? No, but plenty of play time each night after work and it more than held my interest the entire time. Not to mention a large majority of the content is completely optional. Honestly loved virtually all the minigames, didn't find any all that difficult. Also loved the fact there was good challenges in the sim battles. Please don't reduce that at all! Enjoyed every minute, barely noticed my play time and easily over 160 hours at this point. I'm sure I'll do another playthrough whenever it releases on PC. Easy 9.5/10 for me.
I think rebirth isnt as bad as people say it is, I think some of it is blind nostalgia because It feels like the originals come out at the right time and then any adaptation that comes after is met with immediate hostility and high expectations that sometimes feel impossible to meet,
As much as people praise the original FF7 I agree with people that it was weird that tifa didn't confront cloud about his neiblhiem lie but in rebirth tifa actually does call him out on that at the very beginning of the game which I think is better because I would think tifa of all people would say something to cloud and it made more sense this time because sephiroth manipulates cloud against tifa because he know she's the only person who truly keeps cloud on the right path, even Yuffie and Vincent are more important this time in rebirth but in the original they felt like afterthoughts, it feels like you cant criticize the original of something people consider nostalgic without getting negative comments but eh whatever 🤷
I did every single mark that I came across in my first playthrough I finished with 80% trophies collected you have to pace yourself and play however works for you but I don't think that's enough against the game it's all very optional.
I was completely overwhelmed by ff15 when it came out. Its 700 square miles! I just stopped playing after googling that. I'd never get anything else done in life trying to "complete" all those tedious fetch quests or whatever types of quests they probably copied and pasted everywhere.
Rebirth is 55 to 65 square miles apparently. Seems like they had the same opinion. Not sure how much content is in each game. I hate the word "content" when were really talking about art. Or digital sport. Stay blessed.
The quality of this game is incredible and it's a fascinatingly tremendous experience
I'm almost finished the game as well it was definitely an awesome experience I can't wait for part 3
I would love to play this game.
But i am not bying a console just to play a game ....
Waiting for a PC release
I think FFX handled the side content better. There is side content throughout the story, but 80% is either inaccessible or not worth starting until late in the game (when you receive the airship). I just think that was a better approach when it comes to pacing.
rebirth is the first game where doing the side quests didnt feel like a chore. but then i never felt i HAD to do all of it before completing the game
Great video. I'm at Chapter 9 and the algorithim is sending me a ton of FF 7 right now. I think I'm having the same experience you have. It took several Hours before I figured out how to master the combat and now that I have I look forward to it vs trying to rush the story.
Also I hate minigames but some of these are fun and I do enjoy Queens blood but I only play what hits the main path or if I happen to see someone I can play. If I have to backtrack to play it I won't.
I also think a lot of the characters and script are too goofy. It's haed to take seriously and I can't tell if they are tryi g to be satirical or are there too many cooks in thrbkitchen?
Now in part 3 with the obvious departure of aerith this gives the game a chance to add another character....I have thoughts like a visionary director sometimes ..in a movie who likes to add his own things to a movie...what I think they should do is add a really secret surprise character in this game ..maybe a crossover or a super secret new character period..
This is the game and story of my life. Especially after dating both a tifa lookalike and Aerith lookalike at the same time and they were cool sharing me. I can totally relate to cloud where women are always drawn to me for some reason lol
Overwhelming, yet an amazing game :')
Im in the same boat love the game and will go back but ive sropped playing
Played next to no mini games. I have knowingly missed out on a lot of additional content and side quest stories.
I steamrolled the main story.
I loved the game. A few areas for improvement… but broadly sublime.
People really need to realise you don’t have to play things you don’t want/feel like doing.
Was always the case with RPG's, you play bits you want to play and avoid what you choose. If everyone decided to do absolutely every quest in Skyrim (even though it's not a great comparison) the game would feel too long and repetitive for most. So people generally just do what they do and hit the end of the game, the problem people are having with Rebirth is that everything is listed. There's no way to miss content naturally, you always know it's there and it's all linked to a progression bar. If that didn't exist, side quests would be spontaneous, along with mini games. They'd never feel like "just another thing to get ticked off".
It's all about how things are presented.
When they lock crucial material behind silly side quests, yes, yes you do.
@@dizzyb2309can’t be crucial when it isn’t needed or required
While I think I understand what you're trying to say, in Rebirth specifically that's basically saying you want big rewards for minimal effort.@@dizzyb2309
This is an idea why doesn't square enix hold a contest and whoever wins this contest will have their image put in the game and they will become the NEW Character! This not only makes a new character but gives them the ability to create a new storyline as well ...this is my visionary vision let me know what everyone thinks
I bought this and realized i just dont want to commit to the grind in front of the tv anymore. Handhelds are a godsend and in waiting on it to come to pc so i can beat it on my legion go or rog ally in bed during my down time
I just feel like complaining about the length of a game of this price and quality is kinda silly. The story and the cutscenes that deliver that story to me is the whole point of FF. Rebirth to me was overflowing with charm and love, and I just can’t fathom being irritated by the length, or even thinking to call it filler.
Like yeah none of this game needed to be here period, it is a video game lol
Every moment just endeared me to the characters and my only complaint is that there wasn’t more! But i guess ya can’t please everyone
193 by the end I didn't leave a region until all the enemy intel and most of the battle simulator was done. Still a shitload to do
You never finished Tears of the kingdom? _ that’s such a shame as the last dungeon and boss are phenomenonal. It's well worth pushing ahead to see that.
I don’t think it’s overwhelming. I just think the way it structured with its open world completely destroys the pacing of the game. You do a cool story moment or mission then 10 to 15 hours of open world nonsense then the next story then 10 to 15 hours of nonsense, the first one was a much better game in my opinion just because of the flow and pacing of the game still good but I think if I replay it before the third installment, I’m gonna mainline the story I think that’ll be much better experience
Because there is so much mindless copy and paste work like towers, life springs, it makes the game way longer and really deters me from replaying as I just feel like I'm wasting my time. The pacing of the story gets slowed down with padded content too
Sádly, the Sales is not expected as SQuare Inx said.
Just finished remake and 16. I found them both a bit too long. Can you get through the game without mini games.? I do all side quests usually, but mini games not really for me!
You can Golden Path it. If you do so then you might have to play a single round of around 7 minigames that take around 5 min each (if your decent at them). Maybe 3 more, but they might just be game mechanics, not really minigames.
If you mainline it (no side quests), you are looking at around 40-50 hours with about 30-40 min spent on the minigames. (It hits you with most of them during the early mid section of the game).
(some of the side quests are mini game focused, maybe like 1/6th of them)
Hope this helps you decide if its the right game for you or not.
I recommend doing some of the side stuff. You will miss out on some of the best materia in the game if you ignore all of them. Some side quests also help you to increase your bond with the person you want to take on a date at the Gold Saucer.
I played almost none of the minigames in my first playthrough and was fine. Like 90% of them are completely optional. I'd definitely recommend at least looking into the side quests since they're really good in this game.
Rebirth was great and succeeded at washing the bad taste 16 left out of my mouth.
16 is the best game in the series
@@Astreon123 Wrong.
@@tiradegrandmarshal sure as fuck aint rebirth or 14
@@Astreon123 Both of those games are way the fuck better than 16.
I played the demo ,i just didn't feel playing this one. I did play remake and 16, enjoyed them. Think i have enought of the FF 7 world for now,and i don't want to bother with another openworld game😂
I wish people wouldn't bash Square for putting so much extra content into the game. We're giving them the message of "hey, don't work so hard, we don't want any extra content. We prefer to finish a game in 6 hours and have nothing else to do when its over". When a game takes you over 100 hours to complete, you should be happy that you got your moneys worth, instead of complaining. Your generation is trained on Tiktok, so if you don't hear a punch line within a minute, you get bored, and the sad reality is that my generation will have to suffer when studios decide to cater to you, and they will, because its much easier to make a shitty game
Wouldn't say it's overwhelming. It's a lot of busy work.
When I came to cosmo canyon and the girl and her chocobo trauma side quest came I was like 'Aaaaalright. Main Story only' to prevent this burnout exactly. Idk what it was about her specific quest but she fried my last braincell able to do side stuff 🥲
I don’t understand the complaint of the game being “linear” since the overwhelming majority of FF games have BEEN LINEAR😂😂😂
That's interesting, I personally haven't seen anyone call Rebirth "linear"
@@overleveledgames meant to mention Remake not rebirth 😂
I LOVE IT
Half the game felt like filler to me. Great review!
100% AGREE!!! This is the Naruto of video games
I'm salty that in 2024 we STILL have console exclusives. I have a PC more powerful than a PS5, i don't want to buy a whole console for one game. I played REMAKE on PC.....why do i have to wait so long... :(
side quest is side quest...u dont have to do it all if u dont want
its not necessary to enjoy the game and the main story
People getting mad because they are getting their moneys worth why do people complain about the side content you dont have to play it
The whole point of a FF game is to get lost in the world though, lmao
It felt a bit bloated for me i liked part 1 more
I love this game! But I cannot believe how horrible it looks! Play Rebirth for a little bit then pop in Remake. Night & day difference.
Game definitely needs a graphic update and a lot of ‘QOL’ changes.
Could this be your first entry into FF?
Nooooo
@@overleveledgamesI really enjoyed your recommended video so will pick one up. I’ve got XII ( retro ) on my Xbox to play.
Nice, I love 12!
Aaaaaaaawwwwww, only 100hrs!? That’s adorable! TRY 300 FOR PLATINUM!😡😭😭😭 (currently seeking therapy and sleep specialists to recover from Platinuming both ReMake and ReBirth. (Not a meme))
Ff7 rebirth best game ever made
bro what took u so long?? This came out late feb
2 kids, 3 jobs
i hated this game completely. It is an absolute failure and im glad it is bombing hard, sales have been dreadful. I hope the third game never happens and that the project gets terminated. Great video tho, cool attitude, nice points expressed. I disagree with your take, but it is an interesting and well explained take nevertheless. Thanks
Omg the way you describe gaming as work and dread. Play SONIC AND KNUCKES or something arcade and quick for fun. Seriously 😂 games are meant to be FUN not busywork
Yeh same. I got 4 kids and games should be like maybe max 20 hours otherwise it’s a huge con for me and waste of time. But that’s just me right
nope it's perfect
Sorry your game had too much game.
Truly a shame
Guy looks like a gen Z crybaby, no suprised about crying of burnout on optional content
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Lol I wish
This review is completely unnecessary considering it’s half a year late lol
Believe it or not, people buy games six months after launch and still look to reviews.
@@itsSoaren they will also look to reviews with 200k views and likes over a small nobody 🤷♂️The reviews are already out and established. Why would we need another one 6 months later to say the same shit
@@fourthhorseman04 i watched this review before purchasing. You’re here watching it as well. Seems you’re just being unnecessarily negative
gotta get to the point a liitle faster dude... no disrespect ... just genuinely lost interest about 5 min in...