Scion FR-S 2013 Review & Road Test with Ross Rapoport by RoadflyTV
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- Vehicle: 2013 Scion FR-S
Host: Ross Rapoport
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Finally watching reviews as I get my car next week
Happy new year to Ross and all of the Roadfly team!
I love this car, I ordered one for the beginning of March. I just loved the over-engineered drivetrain. I felt bullet proof on my test drive and was just sooooo fun to drive. Also, it wasn`t too rough when driving slowly either. Just a great, good-looking (looks better in person), fuel efficient, sports car. (and reliable)
Thank you for mentioning the Toyota Celica GTS. I had a White 1985 Hatchback 5 speed with a performance package that I bought in Germany and ran on the Autobahn while i was stationed at Hahn AFB. Then I shipped it to Sacramento California and ran the mountains of the Sierra Nevada. It was a fantastic car. I traded it in in Omaha, NE for a 1987 Mazda RX-7. Great car ancestor to the Scion and Subaru.
I test drove both the BRZ and FRS and I would have to say your review is right on the money.
@ Charlie. Great review. But you need to reduce the time it takes to get these completed. The FRS came out in June. This was obviously shot during the summer. We already have snow on the ground. This footage mus be at least 5 months old.
52 Years old. 2 MGB's. 2 Triumph Spitfires. 1980 Z28. 1979 Corvette. 1980 Corvette. 2007 Mustang GT/CS. Bought one. Love it. Ultramarine. Manual. Only review I have seen yet that bashes this car. Most of you probably need to get down to your dealership and drive one. I can't afford a Porsche Cayman S. Can You? Toyota/Subaru reliability with a warranty to match for less than 30k! This car is a HOOT to drive! Hope I helped.
I just bought my BRZ yesterday. I started my breakin period. Love the car. I get so many stares and its way faster than my 2010 honda fit. Love love love
Fair review of the car. Everyone just needs to remember the FR-S was designed as a starting point to be modded as owners see fit. Toyota/Subaru put effort into the things that truly matter for a driver's car - chassis/mechanical layout and suspension. Interior, exterior, power/grip levels, intake/exhaust sounds can be easily changed in comparison. A bad chassis and suspension layout can't easily be changed without re-engineering the car - and will definitely not do .95G's on 'Prius' tires...
yesterday i took one of these for atest drive, it is amazing, it had a great transmission, and even driving about 45mph its fun, it turns great, and it is feels nice and low
I absolutely love my FRS and I totally get why the press love it so much too. HP deficiency is relative and doesn't bother me most of time. Everything else is superbly executed. The car just makes you want to dance on the streets.
Just bought one. It's awesome. I love it. Looks great, fast enough
I drove a manual BRZ from Providence RI to D.C. I was on fumes when I reached D.C. Just over 420 miles. It took just under 12 gallons to fill up. I have a 13.2 Gallon tank. The trip computer said 35.1 Mpg. On winter grade gas. I averaged about 70 mph. I was not light footing it. Sometimes I ran higher sometimes lower. I weigh 195 pounds and had 50 pounds of luggage. On the way up in the rain I got 32.5 mpg. 31 mpg is my average for the first 10k. 26 mpg is my worst tank (drifting in the snow).
The Prelude was a hell of a car. I like it better than the Z. I love those beautiful 4 wheel drifts it would do when you run out of traction. One of the best FWD cars even in base form. You are right the FRS is like a RWD Prelude or RSX.
Good job Ross, I am in love with this car.
-Blackpin
I watch all the Car Review channels. Roadfly IS the best!
Ross I own the BRZ manual. Around town. I shift at 3500 rpm just before the dip. The cars is quick enough to pull ahead of traffic if you shift at that point. There is a dip in torque but not in power. It only affects you if you like you said floor it between 3.5 and 4.5k. As long as you are moving above 30 mph you can leave it in 6th gear all day long. You can pass with no need for a downshift. You will not hit 3500 rpm till almost 80 mph. If you want to run at that point just go to 5th.
The BRZ has more standard equipment and has the option of leather and daul zone heating. The Subaru is also more neutral and has a slightly better bottom end of the power band. The FRS is more tail happy and has slightly more top end. The BRZ is $1300 more has HID and Nav standard. The HIDs are awesome. The NAV sucks. There will be 1/2 as many BRZ's as Scions. The BRZ's are sold out. You can find an FRS at sticker today if you are willing to put some miles in.
So happy I bought mine. great car
great review again Ross. awesome!!! as always. Thumbs up
You can always add horsepower with forced induction. But stripping out weight is pretty difficult. I think that's why this car is a great tuning base
Happy New Year to everyone!
I really love this car, If back seats has a little more space, I will buy this car without hesitation.
Great review, until the end where that other person jumped in...
I do like the FRS just fine without all the extras. Perfect.
Awesome car, great review. Another great one by Ross!
I drove this car and it is awesome. yes, it could have more HP, but 200 are enough for daily driving
While I understand Ross is an enthusiast and all, I wish Emme got to review this car. She's much more spunky, energetic and fun to watch. Overall, it's still a great review on the FR-S!
They're pretty different, one is RWD and one is FWD. For me I would say get the 13' Si Sedan. It's pretty fast, reliable, great resale value, and fairly practical! It's a pretty great car.
As I said, a padded cargo bench. It only actually counts as a seat, if a person can sit in the "seat", feet on the car's floor, seats set as the car will be driven. It's a 2-seater.
Also I think the Z' added 450lbs has more to do with it having a larger more powerful engine, more complicated tranny, and just more stuff overall. If lightweightness is all that matters, the FR-S/BRZ will fit the bill wonderfully. But if you want an overall faster car, a stock FR-S/BRZ is not going to cut it.
It's not a joint venture between Scion and Subaru, Scion is just a badge name for select Toyota models but Toyota itself designed the body and Subaru provided the engine.
Im probably going to get one of these, but planning on installing a trd suspension on it, adding a performance chip and maybe a cold air intake on the engine.. Little by little you keep on adding that little bit of power that it lacks while it is still like it came out of the dealer
I imagine we'll get one at some point. Charlie just did a drive of it over in England or something though so it could be a while.
It depends on what you want. The Civic Si isn't going to have you pounding the steering wheel like the FR-S will, demanding more power. Either one will do well on the track, but obviously the Civic can't power oversteer if that's your thing (it isn't mine)
Amazing handling, no turbo lag cause it has no turbo, slower than a slog in straight lines but it is a different stories in bends and curvy roads certainly make up what it has missed in horse power
This car is the replacement for the AE86. It's a modern version of it. Which means it isn't a highpowered quarter mile car. It isn't a traffic light racer. It's for you to rip it in the curves and mountain roads. Drift it, carve it, enjoy it. It's a cheap, real sports car, providing motorsports fun to the masses. This is meant for young men with small wallets with room to upgrade in the future.
You can fit a full sized adult back their. They have to lay across the back seats like a couch. I have done it several times. One of my friends she read a book back there. The Z is a chopped sedan that's why even though it is smaller than the FRs it weighs 450 pounds more. Allot of that weight sits over the front wheels.
I agree. The Miata is a little better than the FRS. More fun and lighter on its feet. For those of you that can fit in one. Man the FRs/BRZ is way more comfortable. For me at 6.5 feet tall it is my only light weight option. My wife and I took a wonderful 1200 mile trip in the BRZ. Her medium suite case and my tiny one fit perfectly. I averaged 34.5 mpg that included allot of back road mountain driving. We took her mom out to dinner. You can't do any of that in the Miata.
awesome review.
I hope Emme got her hands on it for a bit I would of liked her thoughts too.
Just from seeing them on the streets they look like a fun car, would like to know how they drive in winter conditions tho, but lots of info in this vid
Exactly. It's a feature of the D4S injection system. I'll gladly take the better gas mileage at cruising speeds for a trade off of more torque available at 2k and 5k. If I'm flogging the car, I shouldn't ever be below 5k anyway. And if I'm cruising, I want the best economy, which means less torque. People have "fixed" it with ECU tunes, but I'd rather just downshift to 4th or 3rd. If I wanted to just mash the pedal, I would have bought the automatic. :)
Great review Ross. I also wish the FR-S had more HP. I like everything else about the car though.
That all depends, doesn't it? But I think a nice FI kit would be worth the added weight.
Yes. Compared to a Buick. They are much better than they where in the past. The faster you go the more the ride smooth-ens out. Mazda has really softened up the ride on the MX5. The RX8 road very well.
A stroked 2zz wt 2 liters and 200hp would have been amazing. I loved the one I drove but the engine feel was the deciding factor. I drove a base model and it was 25 out the door. Then I drove the 14 Civic Si coupe and just liked the drivetrain better in the Si. I could have lived with either, I suppose.
Love how Emme vid-jacked Ross's video review!!!
Grate point. I like natural. Al though there are some that are so good you can't tell. Ahh like the GTI.
Happy New Year roadflytv
The BRZ/FRS transmissions are excellent both auto and manual.
I love Roadfly reviews.
Complaining about a linear power delivery? Would you rather it be *weaker* in the low revs? Or consistent all the way through? Top end "rush" like swapping into VTEC in old Hondas just reminds you how little power there is in the low end.
Ross I suggest to drive this car with sports tires say the same spec tires that they have on a Civic Si.
Fun car, reminds me of the 80's Japanese cars.
Sounds like it needs a after market exhaust for a little better sound.
The rear seats in any of the sport cars are torture to even try and sit in sideways.
i love mazdaspeed 3 but also love the FRS. it's just totally different kind of fun. and both are supen fun n fast if u do it right
So it just needs the turbo and it would have more sales. Honestly I am glad I found a good shape used 370z for 23.5k last week because I feel I got a WAY better deal with the Z than paying that much for a fugly scion. I even drove the FRS, wasnt that much better than my old Preludes, no sense in going sideways in a car, I wana go up and step into a better car!
Wow, never realized how short Ross was till Emme stood next to him
is it just me or did they add a bunch of lens flares from after effects at the end of this video when he's standing beside it?
Happy new year Road Fly :D
Enjoyed the video. By the way, for another 5k you can get an aftermarket supercharger that adds another 100hp. I think you can get a turbo too. For those Mustang guys.
The 2013 V6 mustang is pretty fast, 300hp V6, this car is sweet too, but needs a turbo as an option
The one thing he describes as lacking, is the power on uphills and grip runs; however, this is where you start learning tuning and upgrading. The oversteer it has compared to the BR-Z allows you to work on your braking drift and 4 wheel drift techniques. He says its a great track car, it's not that great with stock parts. It's fun, but 200hp on a track isn't that amazing compared to cars with 250+hp. It's true potential comes out on steep downhill roads. I own the FR-S and love it. You start to pick up on its full potential a day at a time. It is an amazing vehicle for beginners (disable traction, stability, and ABS to learn better control).
I own an Si and wished this came out at the same time the Si did. RWD is always better, has more potential, and fun than FWD.
The Current Mustang is an excellent performance car. Whit very good quality. It can outperform almost any sub 40k car on the track or the drag strip. They are also fun. The base 6, the GT the Boss all world class. On top of that its made in America. 3600 pounds is still 3600 pounds. You can fight physics but you wont win. As good as the Mustang is the FRS is far better on the drive thru that twisty back roads. If Toyota pulls off the 300hp / 300 lb-ft GT86 hybrid in Tokyo we will re-visit this.
This is a sweet car! Good job Ross.
The only thing I don't like about the FRS, other than power output, is the witches nose around the badge. Why'd they do that? It wasn't necessary. Could've added character lines somewhere else, just looks weird.
the low hp makes room for tuner to modify , making it a perfect car for a nice Project .
Holy shit dude you filmed this at Lake Fairfax I recognize that parking lot anywhere
Unless you want to change the rims. I would just go with a much better summer tier. Talk to Tire Rack. The balance of the car should remain the same. Their will just be far more feel better braking and higher cornering limits. All the critics talk about power. My first upgrade after tires, will be the brakes. First fluid than cooling and front slotted rotors then the rears.
Toyota came up with the concept. I am positive Yamaha had some input on the current head design. Toyota or Subaru are not know for top end motors.
Speed3 is a better choice if you're not going to the track, in my book...more doors, more storage, more torque, more power, and more comfort. Also similar MPG and honestly, I'm not liking what I'm seeing of the early reliability of the engine in the FR-S/BRZ
I think those acceleration figures are a bit optimistic... love this car though, would be my purchase if I had the funds right now- the BRZ, that is.
great review and great car. just wish I could get my hands on one. They seem to be damn near impossible to find in my area and if you do find one the dealer is asking a $3,000 premium. Maybe all the craze will die down soon.
I live in atlanta, ga and recently did a track event at Atlanta motorsports park. In my run group I had a couple FRS/BRZ's and they were ridiculously slow. I had a harder time passing a celica gts and nissan 240sx in my g35 coupe. These cars had so much potential but 200hp and 150tq is just pathetic and there is no reason they should not have come factory turbo charged making atleast 250hp/tq while maintaining the same 25k price point.
Drive it, I timed my BRZ at 6.7 seconds to sixty. I dropped the clutch at 4000 rpm and rode the burn out till second gear. With warm tires 6.4 seems attainable. Just winding out 1 to 2 from a dead stop you are talking 7.2 or so. The BRZ is faster than the SI civic. If just buy a hair. look up the times.
great review. Love this car!
it looks like you guys made this video later summer/early fall, and you just published it, why does it take you guys so long? Either way, I love your youtube channel, keep up the good work!
Insurance is cheaper. An adult can sit side saddle in relative comfort. My friend and his girl road with me for 30 miles. She is 5-10 she read a book back their. Also you can lean back. Something you cant do in a 2 seat car. You have allot of storage space if you drop the back seats.
I can not see this car being the next big thing unless we really start to see more cars along this line and price range, preferably starting for UNDER $20K. SO, here again is hoping for the Code 130R. But others should take the FR-S/BRZ example of purpose building their compact sport coupes to be competitive at the track more than on the dealer lot.
Ross, thanks for once again telling the truth. I've been waiting and hoping for this car. Having driven one, I didn't think it's quite there. A bit more power, or better still, just a broader torque curve and I think it would be perfect. What I don't want is some turbo, or supercharge testosterone-fest that can't be enjoyed on US roads. An extra 20-30 hp would be plenty, I just don't want to wear out my elbow, maybe in a couple of years?
My criteria for a sports car:
Cool sound
Drift-ability
0-60 In ~5-6
This thing meets them.
Who is the dude that jumps in the screen and asks for the keys at the end????
I wanted to see emme in that back seat LOL... nice review and car, thanks! :D
So which car will have all those things that will stand out? I drive civic si, and i just love the drivetrain. i really don't like subaru transmissions.. it's really sloppy? if that's the appropriate term?
Ross, how much more weight could a turbo, or super charger possibly add that would make it too heavy??
Great review as always Ross! You said some of it's competitors are more fun on the street. Could you elaborate on that? Which competitors are you talking about? I am seriously considering getting this car. My commute is through the heart of Hollywood and is about 13 miles of which half is an empty freeway and half some busy streets. I am also considering Mazdaspeed 3, WRX, Mustang V6, Honda CRZ and civic Si
The problem isn't the power itself, it's the power delivery.
Will there be a win a date with Ross???
Come on Ross you know you want it..
Love the car,great job.
i dont see why people keep say it's slow the top speed is 160, i wonder if they mean the acceleration
id buy one
Great review...
The Z is at least more honest in that it has no back seat, rather than one that is only good as a padded cargo bench.
Can you guys do a video covering the 2013 Scion tc? I haven't found too many of them online.
get 100 or 150 more horses in that little car by use of turbos would make that car a joy to drive.
Ross, will you and the RoadFly team also test drive the Subaru BRZ (the Scion FR-S twin)?
Emme thanks for the eye candy at the end.
The last Integra was in 1999. It weighed 2500 pounds 1000 pounds lighter than the 1999 Mustang. Not only that at that point the Mustang was still of sub standerad quality and was an understeering pig. Back than Mustangs started falling apart when they left the showroom. Door panels would crack, seats would flop backwards. Ford would say its all normal. Sorry unless you were at the drag strip the base Integra was far more entertaining to drive. Whit FWD it had LESS understeer than the Mustang.
you forgot the third type a guy/girl who likes them both for different reasons
HELP, I need to know what the red button is for next to the trunk release on the left side dash.......