Nukeproof Scout 2019 vs Ragley Big Al Mullet 2021 hardtails from a moderate sender.
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2021
- I own both of these bikes and I do have a hard time deciding which bike to pick on my trail rides. Bike park, Ragley hands down because the Scout is now my light weight toss around bike. Both bikes are medium size.
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The editing is just fine! I came for the bike, I stayed for the fun! Thanks for sharing!
Great riding, man. Always gotta respect those hardtail riders. You slay some stuff in this vid that I'd want my full sus on...and then some.
Thank you for sharing. Just picked up a Ragley Big Al and rode it for a month. I was going to sell it and pick up a ti bike, but you convinced me to keep the bike and save my money.
The main advantage of titanium frame will be the longevity and ride vs aluminum. If the aluminum rides as good as the big Al, it's only the longevity in terms of corrosion and fatigue life over the big Al.
Awesome comparison! I've been looking for something like this versus video for a while.
Glad you found it.
very good video, love the real life details!!
Man great break down
I almost got both those bikes , but the Mmmbop won it out in the end with A 160 lyrik and 2.8s
I do suffer a hair more in long climbs but on the DH as you stated it feel like a full sus .
My friend had a new Santa Cruz Bronson and he even said my Mmmbop feels almost the same ( minus the cushy butt )
Also running cushcore in the rear .
Great work man
Yeah if you are standing up when you ride, there isn't that much of a difference in how a hardtail rides vs a full suspension on your typical trail. The biggest difference is when you are tired and you want to be lazy and ride sitting down. Just get stronger so you don't sit down as much.
I myself just bought a ragley mmmbop and was between the nukeproof scout and the ragley mmmbop. I ride 27.5 and alot of factors played in being I was buying just the frame and wanting to use as many components I could from my current hard tail. The mmmbop needed almost nothing to swap all my parts out. But the deciding factor for me was the mmmbop went on sale for $369.00 for the frame and with hardtail party stating its very similar to his banshee paradox (his favorite bike) I was like sold. I'm going to be building the bike up this upcoming weekend.
@@justinlareau2227 you will love it
It’s not a great all around bike
Cause it’s so slack
Not fun for long days on flat or fire roads ( I like 20/30 mile rides )
And climbing steeps requires you to put the power down ( the bike likes speed )
But man when you get going down it’s big smiles machine
Nice one mate💪💪
Great bike
Tat, this video is awesome! Really enjoyed watching it and hearing your thoughts on these two bikes
Thanks. I actually forgot that these are supposed to be trail bikes and most of my videos are of me at a jump line or bike park, hence why I didnt even think about the climbing. In my defense, everyone knows hardtails are good trail bikes and most people don't even think hardtails can be sent.
@@s14tat this didn’t dawn on me while watching but now that you mention it, valid point lol ..and yes hardtails can most certainly be sent 🤡 they’re way more capable than most people would give them credit for
Looks very cool 😃👌 Cool video and it was fun to watch. Keep up the good work and have fun i'm from philippines
Thanks man. I actually spent more time than I would like to admit editing this video. The story board actually fits my narration shockingly good. This video also shows that you don't need a full suspension wonderbike to shred. A good hardtail and skills is all you need.
Nice to hear your thoughts, comparing your two 'whips'. Still waiting for parts for my BigAl build.
Have you heard of the R.A.D. system for bike fit/sizing, 'Joy Of Bike' and 'Jeff Lenosky' Y'tube channels talk about it. I found it really helpful. I wondered how your two bikes would compare if set up R.A.D. You've got some beautiful places to ride.
Thanks from the Yorkshire Dales UK, for your chilled out videos. 👍
Yes I am aware of the rider area distance formula from joy of bike. My cockpit actually wasn't formulated from RAD. This was just from trial and error and ended up at where I felt most comfortable with the most control and no pain. The double checked the RAD formula with my cockpit and it is pretty spot on give or take 5-10 mm.
Thanks for the compliment on my riding location. My local trails are no where near this nice. Haha. It seems like I would enjoy riding uk trails more based in it's perfect blend of flow and tech.
What a great video comparing two of the best! I'm building up a Big Al with some Nukeproof Horizon wheels. Best of both worlds😅. Honestly, though, I wish we a had a lot more of these quality comparisons. Extremely informative
Riding the scout today again at a super technical rocky trail a week after I did the same trail on the big al, the scout is definitely better there. I cannot stress enough about the fun factor here. The agility and I was clearing jumps that I was casing or jumps that I didnt even notice on the big al. The big al is a better park bike.
@@s14tat what's yo definition of PARK...?
@@phabeondominguez5971 it's short or slang for downhill lift assisted bike park. You basically sit on a ski lift that takes you to the top and you bomb back down to the base of the mountain. A lot of people don't think hardtails can handle these types of riding. Me and my buddy are like the only hardtails at mountain creek.
@@s14tat ahhh I see now, and so your saying the Big Al is better suited for that, Got it!!
@@phabeondominguez5971 yes, when we say park, we don't mean a park that you go for a walk in lol.
Glad u going for the Ragley, I'm super excited to get my hand on one soon, do it all bike👌✌
You will love it. It lives up to the hype.
@@s14tat thanks actually picking it up tomorrow too excited 🍻
Awesome video. This terrain looks similar to the terrain I have here in New Hampshire except we are practically all roots and rocks
It's probably a north east/ new england thing. I am sure you guys have way more elevation though.
I must admit, THat purple is unbelievable!
That's why I bought it in the first place and I ended up surprised by how good it is.
I love my ragley marley 1.0 2020 but the nukeproof scout is a solid contender hardtail forever
I love my scout and it's so capable that I have zero interest in full suspension bikes even though I have ridden many, nothing blew me away as " I have to get this, this is so much better ". But hardtail lovers are alittle different. We like to be slightly under biked to test our manliness.
Great review! I really appreciate the comparison. Do you think the Scout would be better if you sit and spin a lot? Is it a comfortable long day bike? I do a lot of blue and greens with the kids and mostly flow. I don't bomb down stuff or hit big jumps/ huck to flats. A 68 degree head angle modern XC would probably be fine for most of what I do, but everyone keeps saying the hardcore hardtails are the isht. I rode around a Fuse and liked it, just not the 3k price.
Honestly, a lot of hardtails aren't comfortable sitting and spinning because all the bumps are going to go right into your butt from lack of suspension. The difference in compliance in frame is really for standing and plowing through rocks/Roots or landing hard. I have ridden 20miles on the road on my scout and it was okay. My butt hurt because my saddle wasn't great and my butt isn't used to be sat for that many miles. I usually ride standing up as you should on a hardtail but for greens should be okay and you should be standing on blues. The scout is very zippy so it is fun at any speed
Thanks for this great video and all of your riding impressions.
I'm a bit dismayed about your difficulty bunnyhopping the Scout, as I just ordered a Nukeproof Scout for myself, and I hope to learn to bunnyhop properly on it. The Scout (in size M) has a stack of 608mm while the Big Al has a 634mm stack, a difference of 26mm. The Scout comes with a 25mm riser bar. Can you think of any reason I couldn't swap that out for a 50mm riser bar like the Fubar 50, effectively raising the stack by 25mm to 633mm to make it handle more like the Big Al?
People are running riser stem with big riser bars to combat this. Those will be the cheapest things to do. People also over fork as well. The bike bunny hops good once you get the stack height nice and high. A low stack is a common thing with 27.5 wheel bikes with some exception being the commencal meta ht but I would take the scout over that 10/10 times.
Great video, am planning to do mullet set up for my Ragley BigWig 2022 160mm travel.
It's actually slacker than 63. When I got my honzo esd, the honzo felt steep compared to my big Al mullet.
@@s14tat my rear tyre keep banging my butt whenever I were on a steep technical terrain. Hope can prevent that with mullet
That's right there Big Al ❤ to hardtrail party.
👌great video, and nice rigs🤔if i were looking for an all-rounder, adding the short commute to work, what would you suggest?👍
You are the second person this week that ask me about commuting on these bikes haha. How long is your commute distance wise?
Is that Cunningham Park in the beginning of video? Looks like Cunningham and Mountain Creek in the video.
Yes, it is Cunningham and mountain creek. Good eye. There are clips from powder ridge, sprain and meadowlark
Awesome comparison and shred bro! You need to try my Meta/HT soon! Damn our schedule is crazy. Hopefully we can ride soon. 👊🤙
Yeah man for sure. Still curious if the frame really is a stiff as it's reputation.
@@s14tat well, it's a hardtail what can we expect. Lol riding a hardtail needs a good skills. We rock it bro!
@@elvinzki2245 while it may be a hardtail but there definitely is a noticeable difference between a good riding hardtail and a bad riding hardtail. The stiffest hardtail that I have ever written and it's not even close it's the Vitus nucleus.
My Meta feels like almost the same with my Trek Roscoe 7 when it comes to stiffness. But Roscoe is more playful and nimble. I'm kinda miss my Trek Roscoe. It's super fun in our locals but the Meta looking for more hardcore trails. Lol I loved them both.
@@elvinzki2245 the Roscoe rides really good, so if they ride similar, that's a good sign for the meta ht.
Have ridden the Vitus sentinel ? I'm thinking about getting one . I hit smaller jumps and less drips than you and my local trails are flowy and fast . Just curious if you have any suggestions.
I have ridden the nucleus which is practically the same front triangle but the rear is non boost quick release vs boost rear through axle. The geo and the tube length are the same too except for reach and stack height which is affected from the sentier having a longer fork. The geo is okay, good for beginners but still on the conservative side. The nucleus rode like shit even with the flimsy quick release rear drop out. I would assume the sentier will ride even worse
Nice and informative video! I was curious as to how the Big AL in regular configuration with both 29er wheels compare to the mullet set up. You did mention scout Mullet set up in which case is a 27.5 frame conversion, while Big AL Mullet is a 29 frame conversion. While Big AL is cheaper way since wheel is cheaper than a new fork, most people would say using a new 29er fork on a 27.5 frame is the most appropriate Mullet since geometry may be similar. Did you think about Mullet on Marley (27.5 frame)?
I did it the other way because I really liked the purple frame and I missed out on getting the 2020 mmmbop. I initially didn't want a 29er but honestly you don't even feel it. I only mullet the big al because I wasn't ready to dive into the 29er head first. Now that I have ridden more 29ers, I am keeping the big al a mullet because I want to retain the 63 degree head angle, the lower bb and the overall shorter gearing of having a 27.5 in the back.
@@s14tat Did you keep the same cassette that comes with the stock, Big Al 29er when you slipped a 27.5 on the rear?
@@smeekteek my bike was built from the frame up. That is why its got the nukeproof wheel with the xt12 speed cassette
Have a Big Wig and looking at mulleting it which is what led me here. What size tyres are you running front/rear ie is the rear 27.5 on the Al a 27.5+ tyre? I'll prob switch out the 170 cranks for 165's Im guessing too. Great video
I am running 27.5 x 2.6 rear, 29 x 2.6 front. Pedal strikes are not a problem with 165mm cranks. My bash guard does get a beating in certain trails though to the point of the iscg tabs bending slightly.
@@s14tat Brilliant, thanks for the reply - much appreciated. Sounds a great set up, ill stock up on bash guards ha ha! Thanks again :)
Are any of these two bikes a good beginner bike? Currently riding a hardtail Scott 29er xc geometry.
They handle differently. You have to lean the bike to corner vs steering with the bars. The bottom bracket height is also much lower on these bikes so you need to learn how to time your pedal stroke and ratcheting your crank. The upside is that they freaking will carry so much speed through the corner. You lose the twitchy responsive feeling of a xc bike in the super tight stuff for the stability in the fast and steep stuff. Anyone can learn to ride these bikes as long as your are willing to put the time to riding it correctly.
I bought both the marley 1.0 and the mmmbop. Chose the mmmbop and sold the marley. Mmmbop felt like the ultimate all arounder bike to me.
I would love to have the mmmbop in purple but I missed the boat that year. All they had was a large frame and I passed on it.
@@s14tat yeah same that purple is one of the best colors, same with the orange on the marley 1.0. I settled with the green mmmbop, put purple water bottle cage and purple pedals on it. Looks dope!
Any opinion on getting a 29 on the nukeproof being a closer comparison to the ragley?
I have nothing to go by with the v3 scout except hardtail party's review of it. The v3 appears to be pretty similar to the V2 with the way he described it in the review and he even compared to the big Al. So these things appear to be consistent between them. The big Al still appears to ride better. The geo between the big Al and the scout is almost identical now. The scout should sprint way better.
At this point, it truly is up to which bike you like the look of now. That yellow scout looks so sick.
Some of those downsides sound more like a mullet issue.
I wonder why not more companies do magnetic holdings for the brake pads, like they do it on Magura brakes.
Maybe magura patented that setup. I did run this bike non mullet at first and it still doesn't sprint any better but the wheelbase will be slightly shorter. I actually would take the longer wheelbase if it's my only bike as I take the bike to the bike park more often than riding that specific section on a specific trail.
How do you get the Ragley frame in the U.S?
You can't anymore. This is an old video when chain reaction cycles and wiggles was still in business.
Hi, I ordered my nuke proof scout race about 3 days ago on chain reaction and it is still in processing and I was wondering if that is normal.
You should be getting a tracking e mail soon. Once you get the tracking, it takes less than a week to get to the USA.
@@s14tat ok, thanks!
@@andrewclarke7396 I saw your question but it didn't show it on the feed. I am running 35mm riser bars with the stem all the way to the top and I am running a 29er fork to bring the front end up.
Hi, I am just about to buy a frame. Now I have NS Surge Evo, but it has terribly short resch. L size is 409mm and I am 187cm. I want to use frame for everything. Normal trails in the forest, single tracks, bike parks, small jumps. I am focused on a Nukeproof Scout 275 frame. I have seen your videos and you have ridden many hard tails with aggresive geometry. I just wonder which one is your favorite? Do you think Nukeproof should be ok for me or should I go for something else?
At your height and on a bike that small you must look like a bear riding a little bike in the circus lol. Any bike will be a tremendous upgrade from what you are currently riding the size will also affect how the bike rides it will feel absolutely massive and it will feel like you don't know how to ride a bike at all. But once you learn how to ride such long and slack bikes it will all start to make sense. I also do not know what you intend to do as your primary use but the new proof scout especially the version 3 is such a nice looking frame and from all the people I spoke to the version 3 rides even better than the version 2 that I reviewed in this video. If you were comparing the version 2 to the version 3 and you can get a version 2 for cheap it's still a very good bike. But the ragley is a better bike than a version 2. My favorite hardtail right now is the Kona Honzo ESD. I was constantly searching for another bike and once I got on the Hanzo I stopped looking but it is not for everybody it is definitely for a very specific type of Rider but that bike never stops surprising me on how capable it is on things that you think it would suck at doing.
@@s14tat Thanks for a wuick reply :)) Yeah, my frame is short as f***k. Previously I wanted the cromo frame so badly I bought this for a good price but it turned out to be to small. The Nukeproof will be v3, so it should be fine. That Kona frame looks amazing but the price is pretty high. Thanks for advice. I will go for Nukeproof :))
One more question. As I look at the Nukeproof site, for my height, I should take XL size. I have also asked a guy who has created a table which helps to pick a correct frame size, he advises me to take the L size. What do you think? I should take the L or XL size?
@@bartoszzarychta9632 depends on what you want to do. You are very tall, and the xl at 480 reach isn't even that long. If you want a tighter bike, you might be able to ride a large but you really should be on a xl.
For reference, I am only 175cm and I like my reach in the 440-460mm reach range. I have ridden small scouts with 405mm reach and it was almost unrideable. It wasn't even about being more nimble or anything. It felt like my knees was going hit the bars and the stem was going into my crotch when in the attack position. It felt like a kids bike and literally did nothing better vs me riding a medium which was still only had a reach of 425mm. My big Al has a 440mm reach and my honzo esd has a 465mm reach and my dh bike has a 440mm reach.
@@s14tat I see your point. Thanks for the advise. I think I will follow manufacturer's instruction and will go for an XL in that case ; )
Are you running a 27.5/29er fork on scout or just a 27.5? 🙏 Thank You
I was running a 29er fork at 140mm travel when I had the silver Pike ultimate. This was to raise the stack height and to slacken it out close to how I had the bike when it had the red 160mm lyrik ultimate 27.5 fork.
@@s14tat 👍 I'm running 29er 130mm on it for now till I get $ for 27.5 150mm thanks for the reply
@@federicovega2292 keep the 29er, it has more flexibility esp of you want to run mullet. All you need is a 140mm air shaft and you will have a 140mm fork. No need to buy a new fork.
@@s14tat I'm not sure if the fork I have is upgradable as far as air shaft goes it is a lower-end x-fusion rc32 that came stock on a full suspension bike that I put a marzocchi bomber on so I will probably end up buying another fork the travel is only 130 on the current one that I have on the nuke-proof scout 275 thanks for the information I was really skeptical about putting a 29er on a 27.5 frame but I had all the parts from another hardtail that was a 27.5 plus I just wanted a more aggressive and I can definitely feel the difference in the ride quality and is not as stiff as my previous hardtail
Have you try specialized fuse??
No I have not. That is the fuse and the fathom are two that I wanted to try but nobody I know has one.
What's the max wheel size the ragley can handle for a 27.5?
I can room to spare 2.8 but the bb is really low as a full 27.5 even with 2.8. I am talking 280mm low. You need at least a 29er fork to raise the front up if you want to run full 27.5
@@s14tat thanks man, I'm currently in the process of building a ragley frame up. I just got a 160mm fork for mine and I was thinking of putting 27.5 x 2.8
@@bjf5027 that was exactly how I had it until I swapped the lowers on the fork to make it into a 160mm 29er fork.
Man I’m in the middle of building a scout 290 with 27.5+ wheels and have been having thoughts of going the mullet route. This makes me wanna try it even more.
You will need 165mm cranks ( this is what I am running ), and 2.8 wheels on the back. The scout 290 has even bigger bb drop compared to the big al. The bb drop is 70mm vs 65mm and the chain stay is longer at 440mm as well. Get a bash guard and it will protect your chain ring. With the correct pedaling technique, my pedals almost never strike anything but the bashguard gets a good work out on rocky tech climbs.
@@s14tat thanks for the heads up! I do have a brand new set of 165mm cause I saw how much the bb drop was. I have 29er fork so maybe I’ll just dish out some cash to try it out lol
@@jaydeadlift7207 it wouldn't hurt to try. Maybe that is the secret sauce to make the scout even better.
Essentially, comparing a 2019 to a 2021.
The scout hasn't changed since 2018. The 2022 will still be the same and my scout had better parts than the $2400 pro build.
The big Al frame has been the same since 2019 as well.