“Worst controller in the country” pilot immediately regrets!
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- On 13 September, 2013, an American Eagle flight checked in with Potomac Approach. A normal approach became interesting when a stuck mic aboard the Eagle flight broadcasted a pilot commenting on "the worst air traffic controllers in the country".
The controller handles the situation and takes sweet revenge in a calm and professional manner!
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I've never heard "have a great day" spoken with such sarcasm 😂
😁😁
And such force lol
Eagle was pretty much asking for the shortcut, when he said he had the field in sight, then complaining about a tight turn?
You never been married😂
Oh, you should have heard me 20 years ago on a friday morning! One guy started to be pretty rude on the phone while I was having my morning coffee, telling me I could but the phone and other things up my a**. My smile was continually growing as he unloaded more and more frustration... I told him to have a great day, and his phone went flying!! Still recall the event with found memories to this day!
I hot mic'd on my solo long cross country for my PPL. I landed and was taxing behind a hovering helicopter. I was thinking out loud "Hurry up dude, I need to take a shit...". 30 minutes later after getting gas and getting a dr pepper, I fired up and after I asked for taxi, they started laughing and asked if I made it to the restroom on time, then proceeded to tell me my mic was stuck...now I look at the transmit light before saying anything I wouldn't want the world to hear...
ppl?
@@CapecodhamPrivate Pilot License
Could have been worse... ua-cam.com/video/vxA1nkAPA6U/v-deo.html
I’ve done similar as an ATC. Our headsets for some reason have a feature that allows the push to talk to be stuck down. I’ve complained about pilots live to the world. Now, I always check to see if my mic is keyed before I start talking smack to the person next to me just in case.
@@atcJ Lol, apparently Boeing designed the hand mic trigger to be aligned perfectly with my knee.
I've had two mildly entertaining situations. Now my procedure is to flip it every time I sit down 😂
I can literally TASTE the salt in that last "have a GREAT day" call. WONDERFUL.
You and me both!
salt bae
Yep, his cholesterol went through the roof with that one.
That happened to me in the Airforce. I was talking about the wing commander. Thank God i was saying nice things about him
You definitely lucked out. Lol
Something tells me that he did not, in fact, want him to have a great day...
😁
lol....he sure didn't. That was a smiling middle finger for certain.
In a way that doesn't involve crashing and burning all over the airfield.
So what are the typical ramifications from an error such as this? I hear that you never want to have to call that phone number. But, I’ve never heard what’s waiting at the other end.
@@alexlindsey6446 That was a smiling hotkey for certain. "we were unaware" yeah sure
2:53 “have a *great* day” 😂😂
😂😂
People bring a smile to my face when they come to my office. Some when they arrive, some when they leave.
Yea, the dripping sarcasm and attitude makes me think there is some validity to what the pilot mentioned
@@arctain1I don't know about that, I'd say a bit of sarcasm in this situation was well earned.
After all, there's some irony in that this pilot had the brass to make comments about the ATC's incompetence while he was foolish enough to block the entire channel for a good 20 seconds due to his own.
Imo he's lucky the controller was professional enough to restrain from making comments on air, unlike the numerous other examples that can be found on YT for much pettier insults.
@@defectivegorilla - agreed. The pilot was an ironic ass. So was the controller 😁
I was a controller on Sectors in Australia.
Many years ago a female controller friend of mine inadvertently went hot mic during a quieter period.
Unfortunately she launched into the chorus of “I see you Baby” by Groove Armada.
“I see you baby, shakin’ that ass, shakin’ that ass”, on repeat!
Did she shake that ass all the way to the employment office or just get a warning?
I bet she hasn't heard the end of that. LOL! Random colleague: "Hey, you remember when [...]" Controller: "Yeah, yeah. I know! I know! Can you stop bringing it up?!"
I KNOW DURING MY FLIGHT INSTRUCTION, my instructor told me that you should never have a conversation in the cockpit you would not want anyone else to hear in the event you have a radio issue and you have a hot mic. He reminded me of this every time we flew. I never forgot it.
Sounds like he did this and embarrassed himself.
The controller was professional in spite of hearing the rude comments, cudos to him
Legend has it that the controller had that pilot make one last 120 degree turn with a strong tailwind just for laughs.
Maybe he WAS trying to fly him into the ground
In my youth, I once recited "The old man from nantucket" beginning to end, not realizing a manager was standing behind me. A "hot key" alert would have been appreciated. I know how this guy feels.
😂😂
What's the rest of the limerick haha?
@@ThatIrishGuy01
There once was a man from Nantucket
Who's di@k was so long he could suck it
He said with a grin
While wiping his chin
If my ear were a hole i could fu&k it.
@@ThatIrishGuy01there was an old man from Leeds, who swallowed a packet of seeds......
@@ThatIrishGuy01 There was an old man from Nantucket, who brought his fish home in a bucket.
His wife wouldn't clean 'em, so he couldn't eat 'em. He was heard to exclaim "Oh Fuc-getaboutit.".
Enjoy.
In my years flying, I don’t remember making snide comments about ATC. ATC was always my friend even when it was extremely busy. Certainly, we would never transmit inter cockpit comms over ATC frequency. Having flown with Potomac approach, broadcasting your conversation deserves a phone call. Can’t imagine what that conversation was like.
If you’ve flown for years, especially around DC, you’ve said something about ATC that wasn’t positive.
@@Full_Deflection True. But it’s never involved a phone call. Usually a poor read back or blocked call. You don’t get to do the river tour with a bunch of spouses and show them NYC landmarks in a jet. That’s what these ATC controllers allowed us to do. It was an amazing day.
The pilot made a mistake. We all do. As a retired 30 year controller, 25 of which was at ORD, I've heard many open mics in the past. And, he might be right about what he said.
@archstanton6441 Can you explain a bit more how he might be right? I'm just a lay person and curious to know the perspective of an actual professional.
@saybrowt Potomac TRACON (PCT) isn't known as being efficient or easy to work with. When I was a controller, I can't tell you how many times pilots have told me that they wished the FAA would send some ORD and C90 controllers the PCT to "teach them how to move airplanes". They over control traffic, they promote unqualified people..... they place too much emphasis on DEI rather than ATC.
For the newbies: "On guard" means they're actually hailing them on a side frequency, meaning it will not interfere directly with the normal channel that is being blocked. This is because it is very dangerous to BLOCK a channel, with a "hot key" aka you're accidentally holding the button/key and transmitting when you shouldn't be-because no one else also using that channel can communicate or receive during the moments you're hot keyed.
Further, for the newbies: you'll be seeing some talk about, "sterile cockpit" - I'm not sure if it's a technical legal jargon, but it pertains to the policies at minimum that can be accountable in court of law when it comes to the...well cockpit. Basically, there are laws and rules governing how and when you can talk and be casual, vs when you can be distracted and shoot the shit. As others are saying, under 10k feet (which is like...very low all things considered, you'd have only seconds to fix major issues before impact with ground) you have to be focused on your job and by policy ONLY your job. Any other type of discussion is banned, against policy, and in some cases might even be unlawful although I'm not exactly sure what the procedures there would be.
Lastly, you can hear a couple of muffled sounds-though subtle-during the initial hot mic. This is because two broadcasts are overlapping on the same frequencies. Similarly, a few moments later you hear a series of sounds maybe I'd describe them as blips or static pulses. This is a non verbal signal that you are hot mic'd. Pulse pulse pulse... Pulse pulse pulse... Hey clown stop broadcasting!
I believe sterile cockpit applies any time you're below 10,000 feet. Upon pushback, taxiing to the runway, takeoff and climb. Then from the descent, approach, landing & taxiing to the gate.
All of the above is spot on. Guard is 121.5 Mhz, the international distress frequency and pilots are taught early on to try to keep that frequency tuned in on their second radio in case they hear a call from either an aircraft in distress (bad), ATC to them (worse), or an air defense fighter calling them (worst). As far as sterile cockpit, the main phrase there is "critical phase of flight" which the regulations define as "all ground operations involving taxi, takeoff, and landing, and all other flight operations below 10,000 feet except cruise flight". Those are times where being distracted can cause a serious incident, so you should not be doing anything that is not related to the safe operation of the aircraft.
A properly configured radio will only have your sidetone in your headset. You will not hear the other transmissions, let alone a "pulse".
@@bitsofgeek Seemed like relevant information
Delta pilot was like... wtf did *I* do lol
😂😂
“Man I just got here wtf calling me on guard and telling me about phone numbers” 😂
I think that combo would make most pilots previous actions flash before their eyes
I'm sure that he had to amend his manifest from 75 Souls to 74 Souls on board.
"Have a *great day.*"
(nonchalantly) "You as well."
🤣
For those saying "no violation", I've got two things.....
First, yes, it is a violation of the sterile cockpit rule.
Secondly, the controller never said "possible pilot deviation". He just basically said "Call me". He was professional enough to take it offline and not get into a feud on the radio, but definitely wanted to have a few words with the pilot. They could discuss it, without cluttering up the channel and having every other aircraft on frequency listening in. He had other work to do, and wasn't going to be distracted on the radio. I liked the way he handled it.
Absolutely!
While you're right about the sterile cockpit rule, I'd say it's completely irrelevant for the controller wanting to talk over the phone. Hence from the controllers point of view, there was indeed no violation. I agree with you though that he handled it professionally.
There was no violation at all.
@@kbg990 The controller wasn't really interested in talking about sterile cockpit. He was interested in talking to them about their comments about the controllers.
I guess we will never know for sure
Gotta love the emphasis on "have a GREEAAT day" 😂
Yeah the pilot knew what he meant 🙃
That was the equivalent to the old southern, „bless your heart.“
@@texsquirrel213 lol..EXACTLY. Not always being "SO SWEET" are they?! ) Reminds me of one of my favorites lines, "KILL EM WITH KINDNESS!" (with the "kill" part open for interpretation depending on circumstances) .....I'm 44 and in the last 10 years or so I've truly noticed that passive aggressiveness is EVERYWHERE in this world. I say I don't like it but I'm often guily of it myself. )) Anyway............."HAVE A NICE DAY!"
Call it a sixth sense, but I know that the controller didn't mean it.
gotta?
Why the hell would the pilot want to say that about ATC?! I wouldn't even think it, let alone say it.😖
Because it makes him feel better in comparison.
He didn't specify what ATC though. It sounded like a convo started, call was made from/to ATC then stuck MIC.
It is possible they flew in to Chicago last night and were talking about them and this guy took it as him
Now yes, unprofessional but lets let them land and everyone get over it and grow thicker skin
@@richardhaighway4816, please remember sterile cockpit rules before thinking that hurt feelings were the only problem here.
@@seriouscat2231 I'm not disputing that. Not at all. I also agree unprofessional.
But that ATC would be just as hurt if he said it cruising at 32k. I'm just saying no context is the issue.
And when he called that number no "sterile cockpit" was the primary argument let's be honest.
@@richardhaighway4816, I always prefer dishonesty when "honesty" means making assumptions about someone's feelings, thoughts or emotional maturity.
"Eagle 3040, you hurt my feelings. Here's a number."
🤣
Oh yeah!
Typical for modern times. Feelings trump everything.
@@JakeC-xx8zqand people Biden to that idea, and look where we are now.
@@johnpooky84 lol nice
That’s a call i’d love to have listened in on 😂
Worst controller in the country was the PDX one making the Alaska acft say 3 times they were emergency
pdx? acft?
@@Capecodhamthere was an Alaska flight from PDX and the controller made them repeat 3 times that they were emergency.
@@sdluke PDX?
@@Capecodham Jesus can you form a complete question? Portland airport
@@sdluke Jesus can you give out a proper location, Portland Maine?
It's always fun when you hear the voice of a controller you're familair with.
Late 1980's, El Monte airport in SoCal. We were familiar with the instructors on the field. Cherokee (We'll call him N34A, I don't recall the actual call sign.) requests taxi for pattern work. Ground Control (Me) cleared him "Taxi to and hold short rwy 19". N34A responds and taxis, with a stuck mile for the entire time. Amongst the gems of advice the instructor gave to the student, he went off a bit on ATC, how we were prima donnas, and how the pilot does all the work, while ATC sat there in their air conditioned towers and their comfortable charis and so forth. When he finally got to the rwy end, he finally checks in with "N34A holding short at 19". I replied "N34A contact tower on 121.2, oh and John, by the way, the chairs aren't all that comfy." John was very contrite for a few weeks after that.
😂
What a story man 😂😂
@@Flight_Follower 34 years ATC, I got a bucket load of stories.
rwy?
@@Capecodham rwy = runway
Here's a thought: Keep those negative, unproductive words out of your mouth when you're flying an airplane. They only waste time and potentially create a bad crew resource management situation on the airplane. Professionalism is never going to get you that "I have a number for you to copy" radio call.
Its easier said than done I guess specially for long haul flights.. you can always have a chit chat.. but obviously not in critical phases of flight
They're not having a long haul on the Eagle.
Sterile cockpit 😂😂😂
Lol If you think ATC doesn't talk plenty of crap too I've got news for you
@@bro9479 humans are human.
I kind of agree with him. Some of the most aggressive controllers I have encountered have been in DC. Especially in IAD. Saying “they will fly you into the ground” is just a way of saying they suck. That doesn’t happen anymore.
0 fucks were given by that pilot that day.
Transmission wasn't intentional from Eagle, and ATC talks plenty of trash off frequency too. Just ask any controller. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't seen the real world of aviation. No big deal here imo.
talking bad about a controller by hot mic while talking to them...thats some coincidence
3 words sterile cockpit rule!
@@Flight_Follower Are you retarded? Have you been inside the cockpit of a real plane? Shit happens all the time on accident.
@@Riverrockphotos
1st of all - thats irrelevant.
2nd - this falls within the confines of what is allowed under sterile cockpit.
Please don't try to act like the sterile cockpit police if you have no experience with it.
I used to be a military pilot,sir
You don’t have to be rude and offensive to express your opinion.. shit does happen in a cockpit (more so in a military aircraft).. just not on frequency with an audience
Thanks
Not while flying, but once when I worked for a water district and was driving the route showing a newbie where all the irrigation meters were, the mic was hot-keyed and I was talking a lot of shit about the 2IC manager. Apparently he stopped into the office while I was out. I had the next day off, which is when they officially terminated me. I showed up the day after and was invited to the office by said manager. He had an envelope and tape recorder in hand. He started to playback my comments, and when he stopped, he asked if I had anything to say. I told him "yeah, you haven't gotten to the good parts yet." He told me they were paying me for that day, and not to push my luck. So, much like Craig in Friday, I got fired on my day off.
He got humble pretty quick!
Haha yeah
I LOVE that controller! HAhaha, calm and professional. "you have a great day".
The "Have a great day" was like a left hook
😅😅 yeah
I just met you,
and you are cray cray.
Here's a number.
Have a GREAT day!
There’s a saying in broadcasting: “All mics are hot”
I'm remembering when Homer Simpson wondered, "Was that just in my head or did I really say it?"
are you going to the Duff Brewery?
I wonder how American felt about all the anger during landing. I want my pilot to follow sterile cockpit rule when taking off and landing.
That off airport traffic controller sounded just like my Son who's a air traffic controller 🤣😂🤣
When I read the title and before I saw the video, my original assumption was that the pilot was going to get jerked over because the ATC sucked ass. Did anyone else get that impression?
Controllers are not in charge of pilots, they can report a matter to FSDO and let them investigate.
Wow that took some effort to continue blabbing on about the controllers while they're calling you on guard haha.
As a controller, we always talk crap about pilots (bad ones and good ones), but we always make sure we dont transmit or record before we talk about them.😂😂
If the pilot couldn't make the turn why did he accept it?
The funny thing is that watching this interaction from the third person perspective is exactly like watching how most controllers and pilots treat each other anyways! 😂
Thats kinda true 😅
No, it isn't.
If it’s true then none of us should be flying because we rely on professionalism and trust between them at all times.
This kind of broad speculation is not necessary.
My God even the pilots and grounds are at each other’s throats!
That guy has one of the worst cases of pilot voice ive ever heard
So much for sticking to the "sterile cockpit" rule below FL 100...
All the pilots in the comments with their bruised egos. Had the controller been the one insulting pilots on frequency, you can bet they'd be screeching for his head.
Let's also keep in mind that pilot error is the overwhelming cause of all accidents. They like to blame anyone but themselves for their bad behavior.
Worst controller in the country is located at KSSF. If you’ve ever flown in or out of there, you know who I’m talking about.
When the ATC tells you that he has a phone number for you to call, you're doomed!
Wittle atc got his wittle feelings hurt.
😁😁
I always assume I have a hot mic when in the cockpit. If I don't want it broadcasted on frequency, it stays in my head while in the cockpit.
Thats a great tip
Same here, unless it's about the ex wife then I don't mind if it's a hot key.moment while I share my thoughts 🤣
I'm curious: Is there no way to know you are still open? With the intercom I use at work I can always hear myself back when I'm talking. This is how I know that my mic is open.
@@Quotenwagnerianer Most radios will have a TX displayed next to the frequency when transmitting and an RX when receiving. However, some radios have a light that lights up. In the Westwind that I fly, our green frequency swap button illuminates. It failed to illuminate one time and we had an open mic at the same time. It was an issue with the box in the back of the airplane. The guy I was flying with was talking up a storm, too. I only realized it was open when I noticed that it was awfully quiet for us to still be that close to Atlanta. So, I swapped over to guard and that's when I heard ATC hollering at us. The look on his face when I told him that the mic was open the entire time was priceless. Lol.
That's how responsible people handle things. The time of responsible people has come to an end.
After seeing lots of hot keyed mic videos, where they talk about something which only should be heard from your flight crew partner and shouldn’t be heard outside of the cockpit, before talking that stuff, I would check that my mic button is not jammed
Despite the unprofessional cockpit banter, the controller here is the one that needs a talking too. Who makes a crew take down a phone number on final approach? Very unprofessional, petty and all because he got offended.
Thats true actually
💯 pilot should’ve refused until he was on the ground maybe?
The ATC always says "when you're ready". And it was not "all because he got offended". He most probably didn't get offended. But the pilot broke serious regulations by what he did.
I'm thinking that pilot doesn't know he definition of "literally".
"Have a GRRREAT day!" 😂😂
I've seen stuck mics happen to friends. Never to me. I learned to bitch about controllers in the van, not in the cockpit.
Once you get the dreaded " I have a number for you to call" it's gonna be a bad day.
That phone call was likely just a continuation of a pissing contest. No FARs violated
Ohhhh dude in tower is gonna tell on you for hearing what pilots really think about these controllers. Smh.... Hope that lil child is ok and has his blanky.
For the ATC to make a big deal out of this, threatening the pilot instead of getting him relevant info basically confirms the complaints the pilot was talking about to his crew.
Wish the phone call was recorded
The communication is so fast I can’t keep up with it. I guess it’s a learned skill and separates the pro from the amateur.
Omg, I'm blushing just watching this.
I know pretty embarrassing right!?
As an airline pilot, I couldnt even watch the end of this video, made me feel real bad inside.
I felt the same sir 🥲
You're not special
I mother couldnt have been wrong.@@FrigginCatsBruh
only the famous cattle auctioneers speak faster than these guys. Got the wrong job.
What might the phone call have been like? Does this get reported to the FAA and a strike on the pilots record?
I didn't hear the controller make a single mistake. What the heck is wrong with that pilot?
Deal with controllers long enough and well I am sure almost every pilot has said this to themselves and each other. Just not on a hot mic!!!!
Nope, after 3 decades of flying, I’ve never said this or thought this.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183I was a controller, they hated pilots, and I was a pilot. It sucked working around people who did not give a crap about aviation and hated pilots. I could talk for hours about those losers.
@@phillipwhite8463 well, that’s a shame. In my career, I made friends with controllers and never thought they hated me. Heck, in the beginning of my career, I flew traffic reporters around early in the morning and afternoon at a class D airport. In the mornings, after I landed around 9am, they would invite me up in the tower for a coffee, until it was just a habit. Did that for 2 years. I had fun up there. Learned a lot too. Never felt hated.
And I had the same work environment with co-workers who did not care about aviation either. I asked on of them one day "why the hell are you even in this building".....the clown just looked at me and he said "cuzz it pays well and have to do nothing".@@phillipwhite8463
LMFAO maybe his co-pilot intentionally holds the mic button for him LOL.
Hahaha 😂
Each push to talk button transmits only the microphone that is connected to it, and not the whole cockpit. If this was the case, we would also hear a response from the other pilot.
@@FSXAviation1 errr…. Have you flown a real airplane? The other pilot usually don’t talk when his partner is working the radio.
@@marryson123 This video shows a private conversation in the flight deck between the two pilots. Their microphone is accidently keyed in. You can't call that "working the radio". If that was an actual transmission to ATC, then yes, you would be correct.
I wonder how much of an attitude adjustment he got.
I bet the ATC and the pilot had a good laugh about this on the phone.
The violation was the pilot taking up radio space unnecessarily. ATC doesn’t sound like they took it personally. 🤪🤪🤪🤪
Probably not a great idea to be having a conversation with your co worker as you prepare to land, either. A couple of violations there, I would suggest.
What violation did the pilot commit?
I am wondering if it was wise of the ATC to give them additional workload while they are busy intercepting the localizer. In any case, requiring to copy a phone number was not an ATC instruction that added value to the safety of the traffic in the tracon.
now thats a new point of view!
now it was bleeped out for sure, but with the end of that I was pretty sure then number was 540-ass-hole. nothing to actually write down
They could have done it on the ground. But then again, one person is usually doing the flying and the other one is doing the comms... So I doubt it was a big deal.
copy WHEN READY
The funniest hot mike incident was right after takeoff clearance her mike was hot. She kept talking to “baby” during the entire takeoff roll and after airborne . Found out later “baby”:was her dog who always flew with her.
I get the professionalism (or lack there of)
But why even be like that?
For the pilots, just shut up till on the ground
For the ATC - He may be talking about an experience lastnight in a diff city. He didnt say your name. Even if he did, get a thicker skin, kill with kindness, and get over it.
This pilot does not know what the f**k he is saying. An ATC losing a plain is the worst thing that can happen. Most airplane accidents are due to pilot error, just saying. Have a great day, honestly, I mean it.
These pilots that talk this way need new jobs elsewhere, pilot shortage or not. I never heard this trash talk 15 years ago and it out of control. We use to have to have FCC licenses for the VHF radios and inappropriate could get that license revoked.
Some regional pilots think they’re God’s gift to aviation. Still at the dumb punk stage.
Lol
to be fair the controller was trash
What happens after the flight crew calls the # provided? Is it a permanenet stain on their flying record? Does the flight crew's employer learn of the incident? Would someone go through the process please? Thanks.
The pilot was giving his opinion. There are really bad ATCs out there as well, i wouldn't call that phone number at all. Whats the reason to call??
Hope he was fired. He doesn't have enuf sense to fly passengers.
that would be so embarrassing 😭😭😭
This is so sad because I fly internationally and as a whole foreign controllers are fairly good and have come a long way since the 70s.
Fact is our US controllers are the absolute BEST! Without a doubt! I find this video insulting because US controllers are fantastic!
You can’t fine someone for giving there opinion
So sensitive. I thought these people are supposed to have thick skin.
I was in the jumpseat of an Air Force C-130 and the pilot, copilot and I were just shooting the breeze about everything. The folks at ZFW fed us enough rope to have a good time with us and then made the call. We all felt a little stupid. At least we weren't bashing them on open mike.
Very common in the military flying. LoL
This is awesome! The controller tried to warn him that he was hot keyed lol. So, what happens when they make the call? What's the process? Any pilots here had to make the call before?
Ptt was stuck, controller got pissed he said What he said , no need for a number to call
Foreal, I was looking for this comment. He also could have been talking about the controllers on some other trip too
They were violating sterile cockpit rules, blocking the frequency so ATC couldn't talk to other aircraft, and being unprofessional. The call was very much warranted.
Tower acts like they are the pilots boss
Air Traffic Control is a part of the Federal Aviation Administration, so except in the case of a declared emergency, yes they are their bosses...
I've texted my boss when I meant to text my dad, luckily I didn't say anything bad. Remember don't say anything about someone you wouldn't say to their face. Those thoughts don't need to be said out loud, it just brings negative energy into the world.
EGO's,, Big shots ,,, These big egos is the reason the world is coming apart at the seams. I cried because I had no shoes until I meet a man that had no feet, , , Get out of your SELF centered world and realize it takes everyone to make this work.
The controller was completely out of line here. Despite any sterile cockpit concerns, ATC is not an enforcement arm of the FAA and by him taking up these pilots time with the “I have a number for you to call” because he was offended is actually worse than the pilots hot mic comment.
I agree with you here mostly
But ATC is not an enforcement arm? Its the job of the controllers to report any unsafe activity.. which obviously usually goes a long way
@@Flight_Follower Sure they can report to the FSDO, but that’s it. No excuse for his actions. This is how I’d respond during that phone call:
Controller: “Im offended by your statements on your hot mic and will be reporting you.”
Me: “So you distracted us during a critical phase of flight with your unnecessary radio traffic? I’ll be filling a report.”
On my last day of my job as a controller a guy in the training department was “needing” to pull some radar data but he was wanting to chat with me. I’m like well you need to go do that. His look on his face was like embarrassment. I later found out that a guy on VFR on the top asked for a hard altitude and controller gave him one causing a loss of separation. They, “the management” wanted to pin it on the pilot so they were going to push a pilot deviation. I knew the head of the FSDO, he has the final call, maybe there is a descent couple of center controllers out there but I doubt it.
fsdo?@@MD-sj2dn
Way to prove the point.
so what's the big deal , if ATC gives a pilot a phone number to call?......thanks
Often the phone call is not for a discussion, but a notice that you will be reported to the FAA and you will need to contact them within a certain time period. I for one love my controllers. Mostly I am in class D airspace, and they have saved my ass on multiple occasions. Tough job dealing with egos.
right on
I worked at Salt Lake Center, leaving that crap hole was the best decisions I have made. Total morons, like every last one of them. The Alaska flight 1282 treatment by controllers was not a surprise to me. During training we would have these scripted emergency and our job was to tell them you are landing here, you are doing this. Stupid stupid stupid. I remember a call of a hydraulic issue, landing salt lake. Salt lake approach wanted them on the short runway 17-35, because they did not want one of there long runways shut down. That was a big NO, and it went from we have a hydraulic issue to we are declaring an emergency. Oh, but a lot of controller love but kissers, so you will do fine. Ok tower controllers, I can’t say. A lot of them are working as contractors and not for the federal government. Federal government sucks.
No ‘possible pilot deviation’ was mentioned. The controller got torqued and just wanted a chance to chew the pilot out ‘off air’ … 🙄
Unless you compromise saftey, Class D controllers educate and do not report you.
@@RNAvirus Blocking the frequency compromises safety. What was actually said is irrelevant.
This takes me back to online classroom days 😂😂😂😂
I mean, as embarrassing as this was, can they really do anything about this? He did swear on frequency but was unaware of the hot mic
Talking bullshit in cockpit below 10000 is actually against rules and punishable by law
@@Flight_Follower Oh right I hadn’t even realized they were below 10 and should’ve been sterile cockpit
Yes sir!
@@MauritsVeenWhat part of the instruction to descend to 5000, 4000, 3000 etc etc did you miss?
@@shanelodge391 I didn't, it just didn't click in my mind for a second that they were supposed to be sterile cockpit
Not exactly a sterile cockpit. Focus on the job, and only the job. There is NO place for that since, ooo, the early '80s.
The pilot was out of order, but the controller was worse. He should’ve waited until the plane was on the ground before taking up time and distracting the crew with his insistence on them taking down a number. They were on final approach FFS!
Couldn’t agree more with you there
He was an Approach controller, and there was no possible pilot deviation. Hard to hand ‘I’m torqued and want to rip him a new one’ off to the Ground controller… 🙄
They were on a visual. That's why there's two pilots in the cockpit.
You can't exactly give a pilot a phone number to take down after handing them off to the next controller!
@@KingdaToro
In that case don’t give them a number. Distracting a busy aircrew because your feelings have been hurt is petty and unnecessary.
If you are transmitting there in NO way to call them
jr