I'm making 600 rwhp on a stock block 306 with a T-trim Vortech (Renegade pulley 19lbs of boost) and Trick Flow heads, even while using a GT40 intake and shorty headers, but I did split a few blocks along the way.
@@BrotherTom That is a real nice foxbody too. I've had mine since early 90s (second owner), but your car is really clean and straight. Your correct too, at 495 it will live a long time.
Back in the day, some folks were running Pro 5.0 with a stock block at 770hp. We all knew it was going to explode one day, it was just a matter of when. FTR, 1989 is the baddest year no matter what. Most aggressive stock cam and precision media cast intake before ford went to sand cast. Everybody with an 1989 dominated right out of the box. The fabled 87-88 speed density cars didn't pull as hard. Close, but not good enough. We had many on fresh gatorbacks running high 13s. Drive it like you stole it...
Great video and AWESOME Fox Bro! Whoever snubs there nose at 495 hp is crazy and outright disrespectful. In my opinion any improvement over stock is awesome and due respect! Keep the videos coming Bro! 💯👊🏾
This car has come a long way since being completely stock with an AOD trans, that's for sure! Good luck with your winter upgrades and thank you for watching and commenting!
My buddy made 512 rwhp with his stock Ford xxx block 93' gt for years. The block never failed but ended up with a bent crankshaft. Car was fast and took a ton of abuse before it became injured. 🐺
Good to hear stories like this. For every story of a block split at 500 or so there are 10 more stories of guys making it last for a good while all while enduring abuse. It's more about keeping rpm below 6500 and using the best fuel possible and you also want to have an efficient setup and good tuning.
Subbed! I’m also in the Chicago land area. My goal is 450 rwhp in my fox convertible, just got my on 3 turbo kit in the mail, waiting on a lentech AOD. Super excited!
@@willsilversurfinharris6239 No it won’t be, I ordered a street terminator AOD with strip terminator valve body and 4r70w gear set. Car won’t see track use due to it being a convertible and I don’t plan on putting a roll cage in it.
@@willsilversurfinharris6239 Sick man! I'm about to throw that turbo kit on cant wait to feel some boost, just installed the lentech and it shifts real good.
Brother Tom is back - and with some sick numbers! Hope to see you fellas out there this car season in my 92 Mark VII, provided I have it all buttoned up by then. 🤞
Oh man I love the Mark VII, I have to see that! Keep in touch and hopefully we can meet up at some shows this year. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@BrotherTom Will do! I haven't ordered any parts yet because we just moved and my garage is still a mess, but I'll be trying! All the best in the new year 😎
Yep and when I got this car it was completely stock with an automatic so you can imagine how much different it is to drive now! Thank you for watching and commenting!
My fox makes over 900 wheel with a ysi billet through the aod that's built big time. Car goes 8.80's 347 big bore dart Renegade 220 heads. Hydro roller. Fast efi
On my holley hp I had to go with that IAC to not have to use the inputs. That damn adapter from accufab was expensive too. ETA, good job going with that tuner out in the country instead of human pos Post
@@BrotherTom Thanks for the feedback. Is the e85 known to stretch the limits of the bottom end slightly in the fox world? On other manufacturers where you might have a block/gasket/rod or piston limitation on 93 octane, the e85 stretches it out a little bit more due to being extremely resistant to detonation and running cooler. So on the manufacturer i'm thinking about it lets those guys run another few psi very safely, where if they ran 93 octane, they'd bend a rod, destroy a piston or blow the head gasket.
@@dennisrobinson8008 that is a very good question. I think you could run meth injection with 93 pump gas to get a similar affect. It all comes down to the tune and RPM you push it to. If you stay under 6500rpm you 'should' be safe. Once you start pushing that you are playing with fire.
It will definitely smoke a gen 3 coyote. My buddies coupe makes 506 rwhp, and he spanked his girlfriends gen 3 10r80 car. So bad in fact, it made her install a vortech on hers.
I often wonder what mine will make but ill probably never know, its the factory block casting but now its a 331 fully built ARP everything hci trickflo twisted wedge 170 stage 1 cam systemax upper and lower bbk 75mm throttle body 75mm pro-m mass air , matched with 24lb injectors (ACCELL) bbk 2-3 /4" longtubes, nothing was left untouched except the engine bay itself
@495whp with the stock block that block isn’t going to take any abuse! That’s really pushing it if you ask me! We kept my brothers 95 gt with the exact same set up as you @430whp to have that 70whp cushion which is where these blocks tend to break. I think 450whp would’ve been more safe because you’d be able to beat on it all day, with 495whp you’re going to have to be careful with the amount of pulls you do
A lot of the "500hp issues" come from over revving these motors. The stock internals were not meant to go 7k rpm. If you keep your shifts under 6500 rpm (my MSD rev limit is set to 6200) and have a good tune your motor should be fine. Now that being said, the tuner I use usually gets you 'that number' and then pulls a degree or two of timing so that you don't get silly on a hot summer day and blow up your motor. Thank you for watching!
You are talking about it as if it's an exact science at xxx hp the block breaks it doesn't work that way. He has a really efficient combo and a stand alone it's good good solid tuning with good fuel it'll be fine. You don't tune the car to a certain hp level as if that is going to keep it alive. You should worry more about real high rpm and having the best fuel possible more so than worrying about a certain hp number on the dyno.
@@midnight347 I don’t think you realize that these blocks will split in half regardless of how good the tune is or good of a fuel you’re using, it doesn’t even matter if you’re using a stand-alone unless you’re using all the safety features and even then that might not save you from splitting the block.. these blocks have a horsepower limit, I’ve seen them throw rods through the block and break in half many times, even if you keep the rpm’s low sometimes that won’t save you, everyone has their own experience
I did get it on the dyno with just the HCI, but it was not very impressive. I got 288whp from the combo. Should have done more, but I hit a snag with my ignition breaking up around 5k. Should have had another 30-40 easy.
The only reason for a blower on a H/C/I Foxbody is to not be blown away by Vettes, Camaros and Coyotes. My 92 HCI LX is pushing 300 rwhp, good enough even if I'll get smoked.
Yeah before the blower I was around the same whp as you. Car sounded cool with the cam chop but could get smoked by a Civic Si LOL. Now it boogies with the boost!
Are the upgrades listed on your description the only upgrades as far as performance ? I would like to build a setup like yours, so would like to know what was left out
Joe the tuner asked me what I wanted to do right after we hit 495 and I was like…we’re done haha. Just didn’t want to push it for a few extra HP. Thank you for watching 👍🏻
I just got done doing a V3 vortech on my 95 with a 331, heads, cam, exhaust, power pipe. 60lb injectors and mega squirt. With a 3.12 pulley I’m seeing about 8-9 psi max. Wonder what kind of power I’m making? Gotta be similar.
@@BrotherTom dam . I got for a new tune Tuesday stock bottom end on 11lbs made 448 wheel last summer dude never dyno tuned it just said he “dialed” it in on the stand. We shall see if the bottom ends holds up I’d be happy with 500
@@matthopkins1107 bottom end will be fine. It's usually the RPM that will kill the motor so be sure you keep it under 6500. Good luck! I bet you get closer to 500!
@@BrotherTom right now I have 550 on my limiter. Kinda max I wanna go. Just picked up a 89 302 for $100 ordering scat stroker for a back up. Love the content !!!
guys all this talk about these stock blocks splitting is a lie it all depends on the tune , and timming , richerd holdner proves that in his dyno videos, conserve timming and good fueling can see easy 600 north of horsepower, but no more than 650.
I agree. I think it’s usually spinning these motors too fast with stock internals. I stopped at 495 just because with my combo and 60# injectors that’s about as good as I was going ti get. Thank you for watching and commenting!
Richard's videos are with no accessories spinning and no driveline loss and in many cases he just has straight headers. 600-650 on his dyno the way he tests isn't much above 500 rwhp in a car. It's the difference in the way he tests which is why bone stock 225 hp 302s.make 260 hp on his dyno. It's always been around 450-500 rwhp. You can go beyond that but you really gotta have good fuel and good tune and watch your rpms. If you're trying to spin it to 7k it prob won't last. Everyone always brings up Richard's videos like that is proving something different when you do the math his limits are about the same as the 500 REAR WHEEL limits everyone has always talked about. He says this in his videos people just dont listen.
Yep, it costs a lot of money to make these cars as fast as the average V6 these days lol. BUT...there's still nothing like cruising in a Supercharged Foxbody!
Thanks for watching anyway, I know my videos aren't for everyone. I did put chapters in this video so you can jump right to the dyno portion without having to listen to me babble.
I'm making 600 rwhp on a stock block 306 with a T-trim Vortech (Renegade pulley 19lbs of boost) and Trick Flow heads, even while using a GT40 intake and shorty headers, but I did split a few blocks along the way.
What size pulley and how many rib?
Hell yeah! Nice numbers!
@@Metlupass2 8 rib pulleys, 8 inch crank and a 3.33 on the supercharger.
@@BrotherTom That is a real nice foxbody too. I've had mine since early 90s (second owner), but your car is really clean and straight. Your correct too, at 495 it will live a long time.
Tom outstanding video. Keep them coming. Look forward to 2023
Back in the day, some folks were running Pro 5.0 with a stock block at 770hp. We all knew it was going to explode one day, it was just a matter of when.
FTR, 1989 is the baddest year no matter what. Most aggressive stock cam and precision media cast intake before ford went to sand cast. Everybody with an 1989 dominated right out of the box. The fabled 87-88 speed density cars didn't pull as hard. Close, but not good enough. We had many on fresh gatorbacks running high 13s.
Drive it like you stole it...
Sorry to hear about setbacks but I’m glad to see you living your passion again! Your car motivates me to stay the course on my build!!!
Don't give up on your build, it's worth it in the end! Thank you for the kind words. Appreciate you watching too!
495 is awesome! Nice!
Great video and AWESOME Fox Bro! Whoever snubs there nose at 495 hp is crazy and outright disrespectful. In my opinion any improvement over stock is awesome and due respect! Keep the videos coming Bro! 💯👊🏾
Thank you for the kind words OG! Really appreciate all the support, my friend!
That is great power for sure and would hold its own on the street/track.
That is badass, 495 on a car that weighs likely 3k or less is one mean ride
I'm very happy with the results! Thank you for watching and commenting!
That is one beautiful Fox .... wow.
nice gains, car looks great!
Great power, congrats!!!
495 very respectable I am hoping to be around there myself after the winter upgrades congrats!!👊🏻
This car has come a long way since being completely stock with an AOD trans, that's for sure! Good luck with your winter upgrades and thank you for watching and commenting!
Congratulations Tom. Great improvement on your car. Glad to hear your gonna hit 2023 swinging and we will get to see more of your always great videos
Happy New Year, Darin! Yeah the new tune is a huge improvement. Looking forward to this year and sharing more stories.
Glad to see you back at it, hopefully we can get some cruises and shows in this coming year!!
I can’t wait for the season to start, buddy!
I think it's perfect 495 HP on a stock block!
It's definitely a fun car! Thank you for watching and commenting!
Brother Tom, sorry to hear about your loss. That's one nice Mustang, 495 hp is nothing to laugh at,that's getting up there.
This car is definitely fun to drive! Thank you for the kind words.
Very awesome, very good RWHP numbers, love the color, looking sweet. For sure make time to enjoy this great
looking Fox.
Thank you, Paul! Appreciate the kind words.
I just got that same iac. Love this video and those #'s are awesome,real foxbody guys think so
My buddy made 512 rwhp with his stock Ford xxx block 93' gt for years. The block never failed but ended up with a bent crankshaft. Car was fast and took a ton of abuse before it became injured. 🐺
Good to hear stories like this. For every story of a block split at 500 or so there are 10 more stories of guys making it last for a good while all while enduring abuse. It's more about keeping rpm below 6500 and using the best fuel possible and you also want to have an efficient setup and good tuning.
The worst part of 302 is the 50oz ballance on snout of crank causes it to break cranks
Subbed!
I’m also in the Chicago land area. My goal is 450 rwhp in my fox convertible, just got my on 3 turbo kit in the mail, waiting on a lentech AOD. Super excited!
Zarm is it transbraked
@@willsilversurfinharris6239 No it won’t be, I ordered a street terminator AOD with strip terminator valve body and 4r70w gear set. Car won’t see track use due to it being a convertible and I don’t plan on putting a roll cage in it.
@@zarmelad3475 I feel u have a aod with a 4r70 swap . Love it.
@@zarmelad3475 ua-cam.com/users/shorts9XyYmEs_Evs?feature=share
When it was on 9lbs. It's on 15 now
@@willsilversurfinharris6239 Sick man! I'm about to throw that turbo kit on cant wait to feel some boost, just installed the lentech and it shifts real good.
Brother Tom is back - and with some sick numbers! Hope to see you fellas out there this car season in my 92 Mark VII, provided I have it all buttoned up by then. 🤞
Oh man I love the Mark VII, I have to see that! Keep in touch and hopefully we can meet up at some shows this year. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@BrotherTom Will do! I haven't ordered any parts yet because we just moved and my garage is still a mess, but I'll be trying! All the best in the new year 😎
Great video buddy! Those are really good numbers with that combo. Also love the renegade metal polish 🤙🏼
Thanks for watching, Dom! Looking forward to getting your vert on the channel this year!
@@BrotherTom absolutely buddy! can’t wait 🤘🏼
Power is 💯💯 man, that is a ton for the 302, and it weighs 3000 max💪💪
Yep and when I got this car it was completely stock with an automatic so you can imagine how much different it is to drive now! Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@BrotherTom 👍👍👍👍👍💯
Awesome video, love your Pony and wishing you the best this new year!
Happy new year! Thank you for watching and commenting.
Those are great numbers, can’t wait to see what mine puts down . I’m running different H/C/I and 10lbs of boost .
My stock bottom end fox just got back from the tuner. 570 whp/605 wtq, but I’m running a basic ON3 kit at 8 lbs.
Congratulations brother, nice job with new setup 🚀🥇
Thank you, brother. I am very happy with the new setup.
Great video buddy! Thanks for the update. You sure look good in that shirt too😍😉
Thank you for watching, Gary! Can’t wait to for Spring!
My fox makes over 900 wheel with a ysi billet through the aod that's built big time. Car goes 8.80's 347 big bore dart
Renegade 220 heads.
Hydro roller.
Fast efi
Hell yeah! Dart block is definitely in my future so I can make some real hp!
On my holley hp I had to go with that IAC to not have to use the inputs. That damn adapter from accufab was expensive too. ETA, good job going with that tuner out in the country instead of human pos Post
Wow!! That is great numbers love this car looks and sounds great
Thank you! I am pretty happy with these numbers. Thank you for watching and commenting!
Keep it 500 or under. 500 in a fox is pretty god damn fast bro.
495whp ain't no joke
That's right, it is a very noticeable difference from the last tune at 403! Thank you for watching!
That's still a sweet ride man damn I love it 😎👍👊💯
Thank you for watching and commenting! Appreciate the kind words.
They’re pretty tough. I made over 500 rwhp and 600 ish torque for years on a 331 turbo setup without issue before I eventually threw in a dart block.
That's some good power! Hoping to go with a dart stroker soon too.
Was this a completely stock bottom end, or upgraded with better pistons, rods and crank?
@@dennisrobinson8008 Completely stock bottom end. Car was originally an automatic with 60k miles until I bought it.
@@BrotherTom Thanks for the feedback. Is the e85 known to stretch the limits of the bottom end slightly in the fox world? On other manufacturers where you might have a block/gasket/rod or piston limitation on 93 octane, the e85 stretches it out a little bit more due to being extremely resistant to detonation and running cooler. So on the manufacturer i'm thinking about it lets those guys run another few psi very safely, where if they ran 93 octane, they'd bend a rod, destroy a piston or blow the head gasket.
@@dennisrobinson8008 that is a very good question. I think you could run meth injection with 93 pump gas to get a similar affect. It all comes down to the tune and RPM you push it to. If you stay under 6500rpm you 'should' be safe. Once you start pushing that you are playing with fire.
Keep up the great work Tom 👌🏾
Thank you, Mario!
500 in a foxbody will move out... I would put money it would smoke a FBO gen 3.
It will definitely smoke a gen 3 coyote. My buddies coupe makes 506 rwhp, and he spanked his girlfriends gen 3 10r80 car. So bad in fact, it made her install a vortech on hers.
@@TexasCamSultants I still don’t think it will. My friends bolt on gen 3 does 10.80s at 126
Good power Tom. I hope we get to hang out next summer
Great effort!
Live the channel brother.
I often wonder what mine will make but ill probably never know, its the factory block casting but now its a 331 fully built ARP everything hci trickflo twisted wedge 170 stage 1 cam systemax upper and lower bbk 75mm throttle body 75mm pro-m mass air , matched with 24lb injectors (ACCELL) bbk 2-3 /4" longtubes, nothing was left untouched except the engine bay itself
Id say, about 320 rear wheel HP.
8 lbs of boost would add another 100 to 125 hp and gobs more torque.
Edit: your headers are prolly 1³/⁴.
Now put on some Makers taillights and wheels. Dream car!
i love that color
Thank you! It's bright regatta blue (7H)
Super nice fox
Car looks awesome, no need to push the stock block any further, your probably 550 at the crank now!
Thank you and yes I agree! Joe the tuner asked me if I wanted to give it another go and I was like...no I'm good haha.
Keep it under 6k rpm or wave bye bye!! Nice ride!!
Can't go wrong with Fords!
Very nice car ❤
@495whp with the stock block that block isn’t going to take any abuse! That’s really pushing it if you ask me! We kept my brothers 95 gt with the exact same set up as you @430whp to have that 70whp cushion which is where these blocks tend to break. I think 450whp would’ve been more safe because you’d be able to beat on it all day, with 495whp you’re going to have to be careful with the amount of pulls you do
A lot of the "500hp issues" come from over revving these motors. The stock internals were not meant to go 7k rpm. If you keep your shifts under 6500 rpm (my MSD rev limit is set to 6200) and have a good tune your motor should be fine. Now that being said, the tuner I use usually gets you 'that number' and then pulls a degree or two of timing so that you don't get silly on a hot summer day and blow up your motor. Thank you for watching!
@@BrotherTom you have a big point on the revving part! I completely forgot about how these blocks don’t like to be revved high either lol
You are talking about it as if it's an exact science at xxx hp the block breaks it doesn't work that way. He has a really efficient combo and a stand alone it's good good solid tuning with good fuel it'll be fine. You don't tune the car to a certain hp level as if that is going to keep it alive. You should worry more about real high rpm and having the best fuel possible more so than worrying about a certain hp number on the dyno.
@@midnight347 I don’t think you realize that these blocks will split in half regardless of how good the tune is or good of a fuel you’re using, it doesn’t even matter if you’re using a stand-alone unless you’re using all the safety features and even then that might not save you from splitting the block.. these blocks have a horsepower limit, I’ve seen them throw rods through the block and break in half many times, even if you keep the rpm’s low sometimes that won’t save you, everyone has their own experience
@@petrolhead8851 rods breaking has nothing to do with block split, its just driver error sounds to me
NICE!!!
Nice numbers, did you ever have the car dyno'd with the trickflow topend kit and no vortech?
I did get it on the dyno with just the HCI, but it was not very impressive. I got 288whp from the combo. Should have done more, but I hit a snag with my ignition breaking up around 5k. Should have had another 30-40 easy.
@@BrotherTomfor reference with a 331, china heads, XE270, 10:1, GT40 tubular I made 320whp and 365 TQ
I'm running a stock block build also ,I'm very nervous about making it last
The only reason for a blower on a H/C/I Foxbody is to not be blown away by Vettes, Camaros and Coyotes. My 92 HCI LX is pushing 300 rwhp, good enough even if I'll get smoked.
Yeah before the blower I was around the same whp as you. Car sounded cool with the cam chop but could get smoked by a Civic Si LOL. Now it boogies with the boost!
Sorry about your family situation bro 🙏🏻
Thank you very much for the kind words.
Just wondering how much timing and what rpm? Would you care to share your timing table? I have a similar setup but it's AOD.
Are the upgrades listed on your description the only upgrades as far as performance ? I would like to build a setup like yours, so would like to know what was left out
Yeah it is just a stock bottom motor with Trick Flow top end kit, 70mmTB, Vortech V3 with 12lbs of boost.
Yup about right anything above 90s hold 450 500hp no more I bought a 80s blueprint long block for my 93
Tell that to my buddy running a turbo making 600 wheel, it’s been 2 years still waiting for it to break mine only makes 340 ish wheel
@@datsdylan007 what year
@@eddylorenzo5033 1989
@@datsdylan007 exactly cast iron 90s and up have 2 different metals it's a weaker block
@@eddylorenzo50332 years, but likely only put 2500 miles on it. That's not the way to gauge longevity.
That is a lot tbh almost with 500 hp boys
Joe the tuner asked me what I wanted to do right after we hit 495 and I was like…we’re done haha. Just didn’t want to push it for a few extra HP. Thank you for watching 👍🏻
I just got done doing a V3 vortech on my 95 with a 331, heads, cam, exhaust, power pipe. 60lb injectors and mega squirt. With a 3.12 pulley I’m seeing about 8-9 psi max. Wonder what kind of power I’m making? Gotta be similar.
I would expect similar if not more power! Nice combo.
@@BrotherTom what’s your timing look like under boost? I’m scared to stray too far. I’m at 1 degree per 1lb of boost timing retard.
How did you get the factory radio so bright?
What size chrome pony wheels do you have front and back and what size tires?
Sorry for the late reply. They are 17x9 all around with 245-55 Nitto up front and 275-50 MT ET Streets in the rear
My condolences
Thank you 🙏🏻
@@BrotherTom U welcome and that’s great power from your Mustang.
Nice! How many miles on the stock bottom end?
Only 67k and the first 60k of it's life were as an automatic car. I did the t-5 swap when I bought it 5 years ago.
Part # IAC. IT'S the accufab right??
Yeah this is the accufab kit. I think we got it from Anderson Ford.
I’m assuming bottom end was gone through and freshened up crank and pistons just reused?
Nope. This car had 59k original miles when I bought it and it was an AOD car I converted to T5.
@@BrotherTom dam . I got for a new tune Tuesday stock bottom end on 11lbs made 448 wheel last summer dude never dyno tuned it just said he “dialed” it in on the stand. We shall see if the bottom ends holds up I’d be happy with 500
@@matthopkins1107 bottom end will be fine. It's usually the RPM that will kill the motor so be sure you keep it under 6500. Good luck! I bet you get closer to 500!
@@BrotherTom right now I have 550 on my limiter. Kinda max I wanna go. Just picked up a 89 302 for $100 ordering scat stroker for a back up.
Love the content !!!
Where are the burnouts?!
Haha from my garage queen?! Let’s do it next time I’m up there!
No more garbage queen in 2023
4:23- Actual Pull
What’s your setup?
Stock bottom, Trick Flow top end kit, Vortech V3Si 10-12lbs of boost.
Will that car burn rubber?
It’ll definitely burn a clutch haha!
@@BrotherTom 😉😉
500 exactly. Not 501 not 502, 500 exactly
guys all this talk about these stock blocks splitting is a lie it all depends on the tune , and timming , richerd holdner proves that in his dyno videos, conserve timming and good fueling can see easy 600 north of horsepower, but no more than 650.
I agree. I think it’s usually spinning these motors too fast with stock internals. I stopped at 495 just because with my combo and 60# injectors that’s about as good as I was going ti get. Thank you for watching and commenting!
Richard's videos are with no accessories spinning and no driveline loss and in many cases he just has straight headers. 600-650 on his dyno the way he tests isn't much above 500 rwhp in a car. It's the difference in the way he tests which is why bone stock 225 hp 302s.make 260 hp on his dyno. It's always been around 450-500 rwhp. You can go beyond that but you really gotta have good fuel and good tune and watch your rpms. If you're trying to spin it to 7k it prob won't last. Everyone always brings up Richard's videos like that is proving something different when you do the math his limits are about the same as the 500 REAR WHEEL limits everyone has always talked about. He says this in his videos people just dont listen.
Yeah I agree. Revving too high and / or lean fuel up top is what will hurt the motor. Thank you for your comment and for watching 👍🏻
The problem is he spent thousands upon thousands of dollars to get that I know firsthand because I have a 92 Notchback said
Yep, it costs a lot of money to make these cars as fast as the average V6 these days lol. BUT...there's still nothing like cruising in a Supercharged Foxbody!
Sell it to me!!!!!
Im looking for sooped 5 oh too.
Cash in hand.
495 hp is awesome, enjoy it 👍
Noticeable difference from the previous tune, that's for sure! Thank you for watching!
Click on here to look at the car not you. Thanks for wasting my time
Thanks for watching anyway, I know my videos aren't for everyone. I did put chapters in this video so you can jump right to the dyno portion without having to listen to me babble.