Proctor protected the homeowner cop. The homeowner should have been investigated. That is the problem. He’s the fixer and there is enough evidence just by him not investigating the cop home owner. Remember the homeowner replaced concrete in the basement before he sold the house.
This is it for me. It's the things MSP failed to do like investigate at all. Wait over a yr to talk to witnesses. The assumptions are suspicious. The mean stuff he says just adds to it for me.
If these people were not law enforcement this would have gone very differently. Why in the hell did they not check into Higgins especially…my opinion is he had more means, motive, and opportunity than Karen or anyone else.
And never had no body cam from officers pov and lack of photos...but had body cams on their person when they went to go arrest TB and also went in his home ans searched it but never searched Brian Alberts home where there was a dead police officer John on his lawn!
any job where ppls life is at stake. Bet he wouldn’t say that to an airline pilot, fireman on duty, emt. Get these old “back in my days” guys outta here. maybe cops need to do a breath test before the start their shifts
@@tacham4533 Yes 🙌 I would love to see if anyone of us ( the common folks ) had this happen to us , we would all be locked up , Chloe taken by animal control … 🙄🤭
If your banter and locker room comments are to dehumanize and degrade someone you have power over...then you need to find a different job. What else did he do wrong? He never looked at another suspect.
I have another issue with this case. Are we supposed to believe that John O'Keefe got out of the car, stood in the same position as she drove away, stayed stood there as she reversed toward him from 60 feet away, and then bent down just at the moment she was about to hit him????? This case is done!
I know I keep thinking “oh maybe she did do it,” but then I always come back to this question in my head. Like why would he just stand there and not move out of the way?
For whatever it is worth. I have been attacked by a large dog. On the right forearm, mostly. The bites, looks identical to John O’keefe’s arm. Those are 100% dog bites imo.
Exactly! That was the moment for me when the case was over. I was bitten by a German Shepard when I was 10. I still have the scars and they look identical to JOK injuries.
Of course Procter’s attitude and mindset affected the his investigation! Not interviewing other directly involved people until 18 months later is a shoddy investigation! As a juror, no way I’m voting for conviction of the defendant.
I think Proctor was more interested in being a hero to his buddies in blue than he was in finding out the truth in this case. It wasn’t the foul language that ruined his credibility for me it was the fact that he didn’t do a thorough investigation and that he had already made up his mind what happened to John O’Keefe within the first 24 hours. He didn’t keep an open mind whether because he needed to pin this on Karen to cover for the Albert’s, McCabes or Higgins or because he’s just an arrogant, lazy, misogynistic pig. Either way he sucks at his job.
Al, your justification hurt my heart. I am from a long line of LEO’s. Proctor’s actions were flat WRONG! Cops like Proctor are the reason that the public has such distrust of police officers. That makes is extra dangerous for police on a daily basis. Including my son and grandson.
I justify none of his comments- focus on the investigation and not the childish banter- there's a dead cop that deserves justice- it's not yet State vs Proctor- Regards, @legalweapon3
@@legalweapon3wishing someone would commit suicide, especially someone who had been briefly hospitalized for making suicidal statements 6 days prior, is not making “childish” comments. No Procter isnt on trial, Karen Read is with the evidence that Procter collected personally in the case of the car and taillight pieces and was in direct control of as the lead investigator. So you can keep trying to minimize it but to the vast majority of people, his behavior does factor into whether the investigation can be trusted. If his emotions were that high about the death of a fellow officer, he should have recused himself. He should have recused himself anyway because he knew some of the witnesses and was friends/coworkers with the homeowner’s brother.
This case is a disgrace! They did not collect or PROTECT the evidence! He KNEW what had happened without talking to the owners of the house without talking to the coroner.
From the very start they failed!! They failed to secure the crime scene - once they leave, that's it. A crime scene should be guarded at all times, with a list of who entered and exited and what time that happened, what evidence was found, all photos to be taken at the scene, exactly where the piece of evidence was found, with a tag - stating where when and by whom it was found, and then sealed. They did nothing. They went back for weeks afterwards search for bits of plastic off the tail light, and those pieces should not have been allowed into evidence, since it was released from being a crime scene.
Proctor texted that to five other cops that didn't dress him down, including his superiors. It's more than Proctor and will likely dress down the department. Or is that a pipe dream?
Did that guy on top right just ask “other than the comments what else did he (proctor) do wrong?”…. HE DIDNT INVESTIGATE ANYTHING!!! That’s what he did wrong!!! Holy hell! Where do you find these people Vinnie? Delusion at its highest
@@legalweapon3he falsified the time the suspect’s vehicle was towed, stating that it was over an hour later than it was actually in his possession. The sallyport video is somehow magically missing a 40+ minute chunk from when that vehicle arrives. The officer that testified directly before him made a point of stating he observed the taillight being cracked and missing a small piece, not consistent with the version we’ve seen photos of later that looks like a claw hammer was taken to it. I do not believe it was an accidental typo situation and as an attorney you surely know that the jury will be instructed that if they find any witness lied about something, they may take that into consideration in weighing whether any of their testimony is truthful. Dehumanizing a suspect, making comments about her sexual attractiveness, her medical conditions and hoping she commits suicide is not just saying “bad words,” please give the rest of us sentient adults a freaking break. There is a marked difference between venting and vitriol. Maybe you talk about people you’re supposed to be dealing with professionally in such a fashion with your friends and family but not everyone does. Signed, the daughter of a retired prosecutor.
Vinny this guy is wrong!!! “Locker room talk” We’re talking about the death of Boston Police Officer!!! You don’t communicate like that when you swear to PROTECT & SERVE us the people!!! Such a set-up or lack of investigating the real crime!!! Chief of Police lives across the street and never came out!!! DISGRACE !!!
So cops can't swear? Say immature things? Use "locker room talk"? Look around you, it happens all the time...even former Presidents! Regards, @legalweapon3
Some of your facts are blatantly false. If what Trooper Proctor called Karen Read are the worst things you can call a person, then we should all call Cop Killer Karen Read the same because she did the absolute worst things a human being can do to other people. And she knew when she falsely accused Colin Albert, a minor child at the time, of murder, that his phone data proved that he was never in the same place at the same time as John O'Keefe.
Procter not only didn't excuse himself, he also lied to a Federal grand jury about knowing the Alberts and McCabe's, and then lied to everybody on TV about it too. And my question is why would he do that?
It’s so dumb, Kevin. He should’ve just said the truth that he does know them, but knowing them wouldn’t make him perform a shoddy investigation. He didn’t perform a legit investigation, but he should’ve just admitted his relationship. It makes him look far worse
He lied right to attorney Jackson on the stand saying he knows 3 Albert’s leaving out Kevin Albert who he worked with on a cold case and whom he went drinking with on several occasions including a trip in cape cod where Albert was so drunk he left his badge and gun “somewhere “ couldn’t find it! He knows 4 Albert’s and not 3 and he lied about that to feds.
If I had been there all this time, the most interesting part is just about to start and I would have stuck it out to the end. But that’s just me! Unless there was conflict in the Jury room.
I feel bad for those jurors who may be living paycheck to paycheck. Taking all this time had to be financially draining if one is living in that situation? Does anyone know how much jurors are paid?
@@vincedidiana5781 No idea if they get expenses, or what they get. Lunch!!! The State has taken far too long to put on NOTHING. What have they proven in what?? 6 weeks?? It's been so long, I have forgotten when it started. The defence has proven more and they haven't started their side yet. I know that they have at least limited their witnesses.
I thought so too. It might have proved whether he went inside the house at all at the very least. At most, shows they're involved in his manner of death. It would've been a huge help to so many questions!
Yup and the crazy part is that DNA falls everywhere. You could be three feet away from someone and your dna can get on each other very easily. To say Johns DNA was on the car is obvious he lived with Karen he walked by the car 1000 times. Touched the car, sat in the car ect. The car had 0 blood on it though...
This entire case was based on what Jenn McCabe said and did including leading Karen down the hysteria path of questioning herself after telling her John never came inside.
One question guys…… how would you feel if this was someone you loved being charged with murder….sibling,spouse, child, neighbor…yourself ??? Would you still believe this is an investigation that upheld its integrity and showed no bias either way??? I’m sorry but that’s just not right. When law enforcement plays this kind of shady shit and twists the law the victim doesn’t get true justice. And that should always be the goal. Not our ego and our desire to be praised.
Okay let's talk Proctor! The problem with trooper Proctor besides his disgusting, misogynist & narcissistic behavior. Is now there is reasonable doubt in the jurors minds, for he put on public display his hatred for Karen Reed. Which leaves it open that yes he could have planted evidence to close this case quickly. As he said "get that girl" "she's going down" that is a huge hurdle to overcome for the prosecution because now it's always in the back of the jurors mine no matter how much evidence they put on. You add on that the sketchy and sloppy work they did collecting evidence. 1)Evidence collected in Solo cups? 2)Use of a leaf blower? 3)No pictures of her tail light? 4) Nothing measured from a point like the flagpole or the curbside or the fire hydrant? 5) So many of the prosecution's witnesses have perjured themselves! 6) Canton PD staying involved when they were supposed to be totally eliminated from this investigation. 7)THE BUTT DIALS! 8) The rehoming of a dog? I know they didn't have probable cause to look into the house. Yet is all officers, you would think he'd say come in and check my house he never came in here! Let's play devil's advocate and say Jennifer McCabe was telling the truth on the stand. (Which I don't believe) She did not come across very well at all unlikable. As someone who's been a juror before that does matter! Along with the shadiness of some of the exhibits put in. (Whether intentional or not) It really feels like Lally was not really prepared for this trial. Both sides ask for this to have a continuance. Probably to wait out and see what happens with the FBI investigation. And what you remember and they're charging her with manslaughter. Meaning they believe this was intentional. And as we sit today we are 63 witnesses in on the prosecution and we have yet to hear from the medical examiner? WT* And they tried like hell to keep Proctor off the stand. This whole case stinks, and should never have gone to trial. This whole trial the prosecution has been playing defense to the defense. And not just laying out their case. Lally, has overwhelmed the jurors with so many witnesses repeating the same things over and over but yet conflicting stories. You have troopers and officers saying the tail light was cracked and some saying it was busted. I still believe after Proctor, it was game over!
They did have probable cause to search the house. The man was found dead on their front lawn. Proctor states he didn’t have probable cause because cops love to claim that it’s hard to attain, even though it’s not. Did they actually have probable cause to take Karen’s car though? 🤔 Iirc Proctor falsified records to obtain probable cause for her car.
Don’t forget the rehoming of the phones. Higgins throwing his out. And Brian Albert getting rid of his the day before it was to be taken. Those aren’t coincidences!!!! Add to that the missing footage at the sally port and no ring cam footage is the Alberts?? Sorry. I’m adding on to the list lol
Excuse me! WTF INTEGRITY? REALLY? So you think 33:33 Red Solo cups are a great place to keep blood samples?! WHAT!!??? They 31:28 dropped the ball on this, on a fellow officer JO deserved so much better! This was straight out of a Police Academy movie!
It’s what he does protecting cops huh? Yup that checks out as he proceeds to excuse corrupt behavior and at one point states that every cop plants evidence at least one time in their career!!??! This guy is dangerous and Vinnie now looks different to me in my eyes. Just awful.
Sorry, but I can't. This trial is a circus, but it wouldn't matter for me. I took one look at the autopsy photos & knew no one killed poor John O'Keefe with a car, BUT Al's wrong, in my opinion. Procter was given his marching orders by the McAlberts, and it was OV. That's why the texts are so horrific. These cops/ troopers FRAMED and innocent woman and rather than investigate anything, they made the facts for the suspect & no matter how ridiculous what they've tried to do is, she isn't guilty, the cops are. Period. I feel the worst for John O'Keefe after Karen Read. Her life is on the line, and John's lost his, but anyone with half a brain need only look at this sideways to know this was all made to fit the crime... not the other way around. Anyway, I may ck in another time but for now, I don't need to hear this thin blue line hurrah.
What did he do wrong besides using bad language? Well, for starters, he pres over a sloppy investigation. For one thing, he threw that evidence like garbage, keeping the jacket and shirt in the trunk of his car in a bag all jumbled together for weeks, before turning it in, he admit he has no idea about what the chain of custody was, etc. etc. etc. The way he talked about Karen Reid is a reflection of how he treated the investigation. this investigation was ridiculous from the get-go. No lead detective worth his salt will allow evidence to be put into open solo cups, and then put into a grocery bag, and then placed beside the “murder weapon, where a dirty towel was hanging. His attitude and the investigation are intrinsically linked. The jury will understand this. I don’t pretend to know what really happened, maybe we will never know. But reasonable doubt all over this case. Nothing was done correctly.
John went in the Albert's house. They beat John up in basement. They covered up all that happened. Procter the cop broke out Karen's taillight they all planted evidence.
I’m surprised you can’t see it yourself. But we all wear different lenses. 1. Solo cup cole tik a 2. Held onto clothes that needed forensic testing done on it.
I sure hope Michael Proctor was able to see the the statement the Governor made regarding his comments. Let’s just say SHE isn’t a happy camper with his comments. I’m willing to bet Proctor won’t have his position or maybe even his job after his testimony for very long. But I’m sure he will keep his job at least until the end of this trial.
All cops plant evidence at some point in their career but are still capable of doing an investigation with “integrity”. How am I supposed to take this guy serious when his ideal of a cop with integrity is also one who probably planted evidence at some point in their career. The guys a clown.
Proctor broke the taillight messed up bumper he planted evidence. They brought John's body out the basement. John's body was 8 to 10 feet in the yard from the road.
Al wants to believe all cops are good but sadly not everyone in the profession is a good guy. It is the lead investigators role to be unbiased and it was obvious from his comments that he was not. As a professional he needs to hold himself above the disgusting comments. You want your doctor's and first responders being above juvenile locker talk.
I agree with you but unfortunately that's not always the case-- and I do know there are bad cops (I have represented more than a few) --thanks for watching--Regards, @legalweapon3
So finding more than one possible dna result on the scene and the victim, why did they not call all party attendees to see if their dna might be found?
You could also argue that consequently she must have hit three people. OR if you agree she didn’t hit three people, that it might be possible that nobody was hit 🤷🏼♀️
We’ve all seen the news stories where the wrong person was convicted and sent to jail. That happens because the investigators went hard after the wrong person. You can’t act like that’s not possible when this kind of mindset is on full display from the officer…add to the mix the heightened intensity that comes from losing one of their own. It makes me think “reasonable doubt”
Please! He literally wished the Subject of his investigation would take her own life...and took information he learned during the INVESTIGATION about her medical conditions to justify his hate for her. And Albert argues that it didn't impact the investigation. PFFFT. I don't have a dog in this fight, but to say it didn't change how Proctor did his job is flat out wrong. 🙄
One more thing, Canton should have been completely removed from this entire process first of all. No one working this case should have had any ties whatsoever to anyone involved. Someone wanted to buy him a gift for getting justice 16 hours into the investigation. Planted evidence doesn’t have to be a conspiracy, cops know how critical it is to keep your mouth shut. Higgins needed to be investigated thoroughly and no one did anything. I’m pissed because I know this is not how they would have treated random people they didn’t have ties to. Ridiculous and a straight up mess
“I’m not condoning the locker room comment” who cares if you don’t condone it, you’re defending it, Al! What proctor said was not ok, and to his SUPERIORS at that
And he should be held accountable departmentally for his stupidity-- but the trial should be concentrating on what his investigation did or didn't do...or what was done poorly--not what his immature comments were--Regards, @legalweapon3
I do not think Proctor has any integrity at all. He tainted this case and himself for the future. The red solo cup evidence collection, videos that skip time and not searching the house just leaves reasonable doubt. I really do think she hit him maybe not on purpose. The prosecution needs to put up some actual evidence.
Did the coroner find that John lost half of his blood? Then, if true, and if John was struck by the vehicle, there should be a lot of blood (at least half gallon) on the road, kerb and lawn. It was freezing cold, so the blood would not have seeped into the ground or evaporated. This simple fact has a huge impact in the culpability of Karen. Please explain.
He lost 3.7 liters of blood. You know the blood that was all over the concrete floor of Alberts basement. The same concrete that got demolished and thrown away by a contractor the Alberts were family friends with.
She 100% knows the Alberts. I'm from the area I know this as a fact. She has rented her Cape house out to people involved also. I won't get into details but this whole case is insane.
I can't believe the loud guy said Proctor's behavior didn't affect the investigation since Proctor testified, saying it didn't affect the investigation!! Does this guy think Proctor would have said "My hatred for Karen caused me to do a bunch of bad things" 😄😄😄
He also basically said “everybody does it” regarding cops planting evidence. Absolutely wild. Like im sincerely wondering about his ability to gauge how human beings actually conduct themselves since he seems to be arguing that all cops are crooked and jurors are snitches if they follow instructions and report the things they are admonished daily to report. Im not even the most rah rah pro cop person but that is a really wild assertion
12 angry men is a perfect example of the power of persuasion in a jury room. Henry Fonda: “Following the closing arguments in a murder trial, the 12 members of the jury must deliberate, with a guilty verdict meaning death for the accused, an inner-city teen. As the dozen men try to reach a unanimous decision while sequestered in a room, one juror (Henry Fonda) casts considerable doubt on elements of the case. Personal issues soon rise to the surface, and conflict threatens to derail the delicate process that will decide one boy's fate. “. (Movie promotion).
What in the ever loving 1940’s is going on here?!! Synopsis: Red herrings, all investigators do what Proctor did, it’s all locker room language just like the president’s (so it’s all good), there’s integrity here, etc? 🤮
Not guilty! There has been no evidence about how John O’Keefe was killed by Karen Read’s vehicle. She may have hit John O’Keefe with her vehicle. Yesterday, Trooper Paul did not show us how the vehicle hit John O’Keefe. The bumper was at a height of 27-28 inches. That would be under the knees for a man who is 6’2” tall. O’Keefe should have had bruising under or around his knees. Possibly, his jeans would have been ripped, too.
Maybe his comments about Karen, had nothing to do with this case fine! But, his him not doing his job, and telling all of his buddies it was basically a wrap in 16 hours is a problem!
Al, your justification hurt my heart. I am from a long line of LEO’s. Proctor’s actions were flat WRONG! Cops like Proctor are the reason that the public has such distrust of police officers. That makes is extra dangerous for police on a daily basis. Including my son and grandson.
Don't need a history lesson. Want to hear about the Karen Read trial. We absolutely don't need a historical reference. This is nuts. Get on with it and let us hear what happened with the Karen Read jury.
Our sheriffs Grady Judd and Bob Gualteri would never put up with this from their officers! They would be fired! These men have Integrity and expect their Officers to act properly
The shack and harrah at troopa proctaah was not an understatement wrt Jury - Lally is killing them off one by one with boredom. They didn’t sign up for Lally.
Regarding the governor, it’s not like she said anything the jurors didn’t already see for themselves. The whole country saw proctors testimony and heard the horrible attitude and unethical behavior. He pretty much discredited himself. If it was a trial that wasn’t widely televised I could understand and agree with argument that the governor was out of line but in this case she was not. I understand why she did it she is the governor and bad cops in the state police and atf etc looks bad as she is “in charge” & will be held responsible in the public view one way or another.
The guy in black makes me believe in Karen’s innocence even more. Very defensive. Believes that the good ole boy mindset is defensible. Proctor is even more a C word than Karen could ever be.
Never defended the "good ole boy mindset"-- on the contrary denounced it-- but want to focus on facts-- what was wrong/right with the investigation? What was/wasn't done? Not what childish and immature comments Proctor made-- no profession is immune to stupid comments but this trial is about facts--Regards, AL
At first Al talks about patriotism in 1940s and Casablanca and then in the next breath, he’s criticizing the jury for reporting somebody doing something wrong. Who is this man? What in the world or his credentials? He’s an attorney? I wouldn’t want him representing me. Unbelievable. …
Get it straight--I NEVER criticized a juror for reporting someone doing something wrong--I applauded it! Listen more carefully next time--and don't be a Jerk--Regards, @legalweapon3
I watched Natalie Layer Chick’s coverage of the Proctor cross on You Tube, and she is right, if you strip out the disgusting comments he made in those texts, what you are left with is clear. The girl is gonna catch serious charges, and not the homeowner, even though he says in those texts he thought the homeowner gave the victim a beat down at first. Proctor decided Karen Read was guilty of hitting him with her car by 2:30 in the afternoon when he went to seize her phone, after a missing shoe & talking to the McCabes and Brian Albert the homeowner, who is the brother of people he has relationships with. So not 16 hours into the case. 5 hours in the case. He just git around to expressing his bias and narrowed focus on her 16 hours later.
I don’t think the jury cares about the comments. Or that he didn’t like Kr. But that they made all these exceptions for a cop family. It like the thin blue line disappears if you die on a cops lawn. It’s like JO lost his membership to back the blue when he died on their lawn.
I'm all for cops, but if their dirty? Then they should be reprimanded and fired! This is what is wrong with our judicial system? The judged and prosecutors are dirty!! This needs to be fixed!
@@bethmccrae2714don’t forget Karen Read is innocent until proven guilty; therefore, she is only accused of killing John O’Keefe. His private thoughts are his own but he decided to share them with friends and family while giving them info about an ongoing investigation. In addition, he violated KR’s rights when he looked thru her phone before the search warrant came thru
@@bethmccrae2714they are no longer his private thoughts when he shares them with his superiors in a group chat he thought no one would see and his fellow investigators are replying “F**k her. B***h.” And the supervisors are in the group chat indicating they are laughing about and find what Procter and DiCicco are saying funny. Im not even saying what he said to his friends, sister and wife. Just by the conversations he felt comfortable having with his direct supervisors (“haven’t found any nudes yet”) and the fact they didn’t check him tells me he is the main problem but not the only problem
No! He should Never had been on this case!!!! Period.. Even if it was just “Locker room talk” you said that Proctor you felt sorry for him? Who I feel sorry for is John O’Keefe!! But throughout this trial, he has been completely disregarded,considered a body.. a number it’s disgusting. Remember, who were talking about here? What if that man was still alive and had first responders at hand? They did nothing, and heard nothing!!? I have a train by my work and I dream about that train and the noise.. Albert heard Nothing!!?? Stop it!!! And if he was alive, he was in the snow, slowly passing away?!! if that were my brother, my friend, my boyfriend, husband,..I couldn’t live with myself. They should’ve investigated that house. Period. I worked many years in the legal field and if for nothing.. Poorly investigated!! So yes .. Shame on you..
why is no one bringing up the fact this case was handed over due to conflict of canton police then handed to proctor who lives in canton and knows the entire albert family it's sus to US!
FYI if you thought going 24 mph in reverse was outrageous. Now there’s a Trooper Paul saying Karen Read was going 97mph in reverse and hit John O’Keefe. If you can believe that one.
@@legalweapon3 or are we a little defensive? A juror apparently does the right thing and you criticize them after making it sound like you’re a huge pre-patriot. that’s a joke. And it’s a shame for America.
@@nbgilbert when did I say that?--I applauded the juror for doing the right thing--I'm not defensive just don't like being called out for something I didn't do-- be bright and get it right--Regards, @legalweapon3
Vinnie, please tell me WHY no one is mentioning the BRIGHT RED glow of Karen's taillight in the video where she hits John's car?? It's driving me insane because a taillight without a cover shines LIKE A HEADLIGHT!! From the (after) picture provided by police there is very little red!! Not to mention how easy that would be to reconstruct! Ugh...vent over 😊🤪
@jensoldat8085 exactly!! This video was the next morning, when she was leaving to go and find him dead... so it would have already been broken had she killed him with her car 💁♀️ thus no bright red light according to their own picture
Do I trust Trooper Proctor? No! Do I trust Karen Read? No! I don't condone Proctor's vulgar comments and as crass and stupid as he is, as a juror I would not base any guilt due to vulgar language. But I think he's shady and I think Karen Read is shrewd and deceptive.
Someone from the area said Canton is where all the white folks white flighted to in the 1970s when Boston implemented bussing to desegregate the schools. The main minority in Norfolk county according to the most recent demographic information I can find is the Asian community.
This Albert guy is way off.. if proctor refused himself from this case, a honest investigator would of went in BA house. Imo they would of found the blood in basement. Game over
If you listened to what I said, I stated it was wrong for him to stay on this investigation and he had a duty to recuse--so how am I way off? And last name spelled WUNSCH--Regards, @legalweapon3
About the waste of taxpayers money thing, while it probably is used as a line I wonder if it’s sometimes out of frustration. Because, from what I have seen, trying to get funds to pay for tests or experts if you’re the defence is kind of like trying to get blood from a stone.
The history lesson with Al was the best part of the show. It's sad so many people don't know those historical facts, but they probably know the date a new video game or iPhone came out. Thank you, Al! 👍
@@legalweapon3 Is this really Al? If so, this was my first time seeing you/hearing you. I love that you are a history person and love the movie Casablanca! You are a man after my own heart!
It was infuriating and pointless. Does knowing the history mean women aren’t people? Does knowing how badly cops used to act make the way they’re acting now acceptable? Ugh. Nope.
Proctor protected the homeowner cop. The homeowner should have been investigated. That is the problem. He’s the fixer and there is enough evidence just by him not investigating the cop home owner. Remember the homeowner replaced concrete in the basement before he sold the house.
This is it for me. It's the things MSP failed to do like investigate at all. Wait over a yr to talk to witnesses. The assumptions are suspicious. The mean stuff he says just adds to it for me.
If these people were not law enforcement this would have gone very differently. Why in the hell did they not check into Higgins especially…my opinion is he had more means, motive, and opportunity than Karen or anyone else.
And don't forget they got rid of their German shepherd chloe after having her for six years and sold there house below market price!
Appauls me that Brian Alberts ass didn't even go outside while all that commotion was going on! That tells me he already knew
And never had no body cam from officers pov and lack of photos...but had body cams on their person when they went to go arrest TB and also went in his home ans searched it but never searched Brian Alberts home where there was a dead police officer John on his lawn!
Making excuses for the detective. Drinking on the job should result in termination.
AND driving around in a state issued vehicle 🤦♀️ Unreal …
any job where ppls life is at stake. Bet he wouldn’t say that to an airline pilot, fireman on duty, emt. Get these old “back in my days” guys outta here. maybe cops need to do a breath test before the start their shifts
@@tacham4533 Yes 🙌 I would love to see if anyone of us ( the common folks ) had this happen to us , we would all be locked up , Chloe taken by animal control … 🙄🤭
If your banter and locker room comments are to dehumanize and degrade someone you have power over...then you need to find a different job. What else did he do wrong? He never looked at another suspect.
That loud guy on this panel has misogynist written all over his face
I have another issue with this case. Are we supposed to believe that John O'Keefe got out of the car, stood in the same position as she drove away, stayed stood there as she reversed toward him from 60 feet away, and then bent down just at the moment she was about to hit him????? This case is done!
Ok why have I never thought about that.
I know I keep thinking “oh maybe she did do it,” but then I always come back to this question in my head. Like why would he just stand there and not move out of the way?
Kevin yellow cotton tales has a video that explains it perfectly on 😆 🤣
AGREED 👍
Maybe he was waving her goodbye? Lol but yeah, it’s utter bollox.
For whatever it is worth. I have been attacked by a large dog. On the right forearm, mostly. The bites, looks identical to John O’keefe’s arm. Those are 100% dog bites imo.
Agreed…
I googled Dog Bites to the Arm & the photos that come are remarkably similar the injuries to John’s arm. …..
They need you on the stand
Agreed
Exactly! That was the moment for me when the case was over. I was bitten by a German Shepard when I was 10. I still have the scars and they look identical to JOK injuries.
Of course Procter’s attitude and mindset affected the his investigation! Not interviewing other directly involved people until 18 months later is a shoddy investigation! As a juror, no way I’m voting for conviction of the defendant.
Yes, this!
I think Proctor was more interested in being a hero to his buddies in blue than he was in finding out the truth in this case. It wasn’t the foul language that ruined his credibility for me it was the fact that he didn’t do a thorough investigation and that he had already made up his mind what happened to John O’Keefe within the first 24 hours. He didn’t keep an open mind whether because he needed to pin this on Karen to cover for the Albert’s, McCabes or Higgins or because he’s just an arrogant, lazy, misogynistic pig. Either way he sucks at his job.
I find it especially disturbing that on the stand, Proctor stuck to his story that he did nothing wrong and KRs guilt was evident from the get.
Plus he kept repeating 'overwhelming evidence' without explaining exactly what that overwhelming evidence was.
@@mayloomis9638I’m still waiting for that overwhelming evidence!! 👀
Likely first minute, but the proof showed when he texted his college buddies 16 hours later. Proctor must be fired. Call your congressman
He not only didn’t do his job he was foul about how and what little of a job he did do.
Al, your justification hurt my heart. I am from a long line of LEO’s. Proctor’s actions were flat WRONG! Cops like Proctor are the reason that the public has such distrust of police officers. That makes is extra dangerous for police on a daily basis. Including my son and grandson.
There are bad ones in every vocation. Many more good ones than bad but that's what LEO haters use to try and degrade all of them.
I justify none of his comments- focus on the investigation and not the childish banter- there's a dead cop that deserves justice- it's not yet State vs Proctor- Regards, @legalweapon3
@@legalweapon3wishing someone would commit suicide, especially someone who had been briefly hospitalized for making suicidal statements 6 days prior, is not making “childish” comments. No Procter isnt on trial, Karen Read is with the evidence that Procter collected personally in the case of the car and taillight pieces and was in direct control of as the lead investigator. So you can keep trying to minimize it but to the vast majority of people, his behavior does factor into whether the investigation can be trusted. If his emotions were that high about the death of a fellow officer, he should have recused himself. He should have recused himself anyway because he knew some of the witnesses and was friends/coworkers with the homeowner’s brother.
Al’s obvious bias to defend all LE, regardless of obvious moral and legal failings, is inexcusable.
@@legalweapon3FREE KAREN READE FROM THESE PIGS!!!
This case is a disgrace! They did not collect or PROTECT the evidence! He KNEW what had happened without talking to the owners of the house without talking to the coroner.
From the very start they failed!! They failed to secure the crime scene - once they leave, that's it. A crime scene should be guarded at all times, with a list of who entered and exited and what time that happened, what evidence was found, all photos to be taken at the scene, exactly where the piece of evidence was found, with a tag - stating where when and by whom it was found, and then sealed. They did nothing. They went back for weeks afterwards search for bits of plastic off the tail light, and those pieces should not have been allowed into evidence, since it was released from being a crime scene.
Exactly. Instead of Protecting evidence they PROCTORED evidence. 😡 🐢
You mean you aren’t supposed to put evidence in red solo cups? 😂😂😂😂
I thought the ME told the cops the cause of death not the other way around.
Proctor should be fired. He obviously can never work as a cop again. And let others be put on notice.
Well they governor of Massachusetts spoke to media yesterday and was upset at proctors testimony. Proctor is done.
Proctor texted that to five other cops that didn't dress him down, including his superiors. It's more than Proctor and will likely dress down the department. Or is that a pipe dream?
Proctors involvement with Kevin Albert put the relationships over the top. The “gift” was all about keeping Colin off the list!
@@jasminerosepetal exactly
Remember this happened 2 yrs ago and Proctor is still employed
27:47 we need to stop using the term “locker room talk” and start teaching kids in locker rooms to NOT use that language.
Amen!
Did that guy on top right just ask “other than the comments what else did he (proctor) do wrong?”…. HE DIDNT INVESTIGATE ANYTHING!!! That’s what he did wrong!!! Holy hell! Where do you find these people Vinnie? Delusion at its highest
You proved my point! Concentrate on what he did wrong! Not his childish comments-- Regards, @legalweapon
He lied on the stand
@@legalweapon3he falsified the time the suspect’s vehicle was towed, stating that it was over an hour later than it was actually in his possession. The sallyport video is somehow magically missing a 40+ minute chunk from when that vehicle arrives. The officer that testified directly before him made a point of stating he observed the taillight being cracked and missing a small piece, not consistent with the version we’ve seen photos of later that looks like a claw hammer was taken to it. I do not believe it was an accidental typo situation and as an attorney you surely know that the jury will be instructed that if they find any witness lied about something, they may take that into consideration in weighing whether any of their testimony is truthful. Dehumanizing a suspect, making comments about her sexual attractiveness, her medical conditions and hoping she commits suicide is not just saying “bad words,” please give the rest of us sentient adults a freaking break. There is a marked difference between venting and vitriol. Maybe you talk about people you’re supposed to be dealing with professionally in such a fashion with your friends and family but not everyone does. Signed, the daughter of a retired prosecutor.
He lied about knowing Kevin Albert!
Agreed he’s embarrassing the US even more
Vinny this guy is wrong!!! “Locker room talk” We’re talking about the death of Boston Police Officer!!! You don’t communicate like that when you swear to PROTECT & SERVE us the people!!! Such a set-up or lack of investigating the real crime!!! Chief of Police lives across the street and never came out!!! DISGRACE !!!
I can’t listen to him!! Proctor didn’t investigate 💩
So cops can't swear? Say immature things? Use "locker room talk"? Look around you, it happens all the time...even former Presidents! Regards, @legalweapon3
@@legalweapon3yeah and that’s not a good thing lol
The bias is awful. It's akin to a judge talking like this.
Some of your facts are blatantly false. If what Trooper Proctor called Karen Read are the worst things you can call a person, then we should all call Cop Killer Karen Read the same because she did the absolute worst things a human being can do to other people. And she knew when she falsely accused Colin Albert, a minor child at the time, of murder, that his phone data proved that he was never in the same place at the same time as John O'Keefe.
If they want justice for the officer, they will want to find who did it and make them pay. This is not justice for him.
I rather think John wouldn't appreciate it either...
Procter not only didn't excuse himself, he also lied to a Federal grand jury about knowing the Alberts and McCabe's, and then lied to everybody on TV about it too. And my question is why would he do that?
It’s so dumb, Kevin. He should’ve just said the truth that he does know them, but knowing them wouldn’t make him perform a shoddy investigation. He didn’t perform a legit investigation, but he should’ve just admitted his relationship. It makes him look far worse
He lied right to attorney Jackson on the stand saying he knows 3 Albert’s leaving out Kevin Albert who he worked with on a cold case and whom he went drinking with on several occasions including a trip in cape cod where Albert was so drunk he left his badge and gun “somewhere “ couldn’t find it! He knows 4 Albert’s and not 3 and he lied about that to feds.
Facts💯
I bet that juror is relieved to be leaving!!! It has been a long trial and defence has not even started YET!!!
I agree. I’d actually be pissed if the state put me through this for 8ish weeks WITH THIS EVIDENCE (or lack thereof)
what talk show will she be on
If I had been there all this time, the most interesting part is just about to start and I would have stuck it out to the end. But that’s just me! Unless there was conflict in the Jury room.
I feel bad for those jurors who may be living paycheck to paycheck. Taking all this time had to be financially draining if one is living in that situation? Does anyone know how much jurors are paid?
@@vincedidiana5781 No idea if they get expenses, or what they get. Lunch!!! The State has taken far too long to put on NOTHING. What have they proven in what?? 6 weeks?? It's been so long, I have forgotten when it started. The defence has proven more and they haven't started their side yet. I know that they have at least limited their witnesses.
The DNA was a waste because they didn’t test the DNA 🧬 of the others at the house to see if they were a match to the extra DNA on the pants.
I thought so too. It might have proved whether he went inside the house at all at the very least. At most, shows they're involved in his manner of death. It would've been a huge help to so many questions!
Yup and the crazy part is that DNA falls everywhere. You could be three feet away from someone and your dna can get on each other very easily. To say Johns DNA was on the car is obvious he lived with Karen he walked by the car 1000 times. Touched the car, sat in the car ect.
The car had 0 blood on it though...
@@Alienspecies635 If John ever unloaded something from the rear of Karen’s Lexus you’d expect it to be there.
Blood on his shirt matched 3 different people. Blood DNA found on John’s shirt! Why did they not ask Albert’s for DNA.
This entire case was based on what Jenn McCabe said and did including leading Karen down the hysteria path of questioning herself after telling her John never came inside.
No it's not.
One question guys…… how would you feel if this was someone you loved being charged with murder….sibling,spouse, child, neighbor…yourself ??? Would you still believe this is an investigation that upheld its integrity and showed no bias either way??? I’m sorry but that’s just not right. When law enforcement plays this kind of shady shit and twists the law the victim doesn’t get true justice. And that should always be the goal. Not our ego and our desire to be praised.
A guilty cop wants it to be pinned on anyone else but them.
Procter is not fit to be a state trooper. His personal feelings against Karen absolutely got in the way of his investigation
Albert is such a cop lover to defend Fuhrman and Proctor. He is the problem with LEO’s in America.
Al defended no one. Please listen to what he said, again.
Fire him and he loses his pension. They need a reason to have ethics. We Bostonians are sick and tired of this BS.
Like the Supreme Court
Okay let's talk Proctor!
The problem with trooper Proctor besides his disgusting, misogynist & narcissistic behavior. Is now there is reasonable doubt in the jurors minds, for he put on public display his hatred for Karen Reed. Which leaves it open that yes he could have planted evidence to close this case quickly. As he said "get that girl" "she's going down" that is a huge hurdle to overcome for the prosecution because now it's always in the back of the jurors mine no matter how much evidence they put on. You add on that the sketchy and sloppy work they did collecting evidence.
1)Evidence collected in Solo cups?
2)Use of a leaf blower?
3)No pictures of her tail light?
4) Nothing measured from a point like the flagpole or the curbside or the fire hydrant?
5) So many of the prosecution's witnesses have perjured themselves!
6) Canton PD staying involved when they were supposed to be totally eliminated from this investigation.
7)THE BUTT DIALS!
8) The rehoming of a dog?
I know they didn't have probable cause to look into the house. Yet is all officers, you would think he'd say come in and check my house he never came in here! Let's play devil's advocate and say Jennifer McCabe was telling the truth on the stand. (Which I don't believe) She did not come across very well at all unlikable. As someone who's been a juror before that does matter! Along with the shadiness of some of the exhibits put in. (Whether intentional or not) It really feels like Lally was not really prepared for this trial. Both sides ask for this to have a continuance. Probably to wait out and see what happens with the FBI investigation. And what you remember and they're charging her with manslaughter. Meaning they believe this was intentional. And as we sit today we are 63 witnesses in on the prosecution and we have yet to hear from the medical examiner? WT* And they tried like hell to keep Proctor off the stand. This whole case stinks, and should never have gone to trial.
This whole trial the prosecution has been playing defense to the defense. And not just laying out their case. Lally, has overwhelmed the jurors with so many witnesses repeating the same things over and over but yet conflicting stories. You have troopers and officers saying the tail light was cracked and some saying it was busted.
I still believe after Proctor, it was game over!
Lally didn’t have much to work with from Day 1. He knew he had all these Liars for witnesses too.
I don't think Lally doesn't have an ME. Who would want to put their reputation in the line for this shit show the state is trying to prove.
They did have probable cause to search the house. The man was found dead on their front lawn. Proctor states he didn’t have probable cause because cops love to claim that it’s hard to attain, even though it’s not. Did they actually have probable cause to take Karen’s car though? 🤔 Iirc Proctor falsified records to obtain probable cause for her car.
Don’t forget the rehoming of the phones. Higgins throwing his out. And Brian Albert getting rid of his the day before it was to be taken. Those aren’t coincidences!!!! Add to that the missing footage at the sally port and no ring cam footage is the Alberts?? Sorry. I’m adding on to the list lol
Excuse me! WTF INTEGRITY? REALLY? So you think 33:33 Red Solo cups are a great place to keep blood samples?! WHAT!!??? They 31:28 dropped the ball on this, on a fellow officer JO deserved so much better! This was straight out of a Police Academy movie!
Proctor and his buddy lost their gun and badge, they emailed each other asking if it was in the patrol car , because they were so drunk!
It’s what he does protecting cops huh? Yup that checks out as he proceeds to excuse corrupt behavior and at one point states that every cop plants evidence at least one time in their career!!??! This guy is dangerous and Vinnie now looks different to me in my eyes. Just awful.
Fully agree, what he said was wild, even crazier to be cool with it
Same …Vinnie lost it in my eyes too
At this point, reasonable doubt all over this case! Therefore, no convicton guilty or not.
Sorry, but I can't. This trial is a circus, but it wouldn't matter for me. I took one look at the autopsy photos & knew no one killed poor John O'Keefe with a car, BUT Al's wrong, in my opinion. Procter was given his marching orders by the McAlberts, and it was OV. That's why the texts are so horrific. These cops/ troopers FRAMED and innocent woman and rather than investigate anything, they made the facts for the suspect & no matter how ridiculous what they've tried to do is, she isn't guilty, the cops are. Period. I feel the worst for John O'Keefe after Karen Read. Her life is on the line, and John's lost his, but anyone with half a brain need only look at this sideways to know this was all made to fit the crime... not the other way around. Anyway, I may ck in another time but for now, I don't need to hear this thin blue line hurrah.
Agree
What did he do wrong besides using bad language? Well, for starters, he pres over a sloppy investigation. For one thing, he threw that evidence like garbage, keeping the jacket and shirt in the trunk of his car in a bag all jumbled together for weeks, before turning it in, he admit he has no idea about what the chain of custody was, etc. etc. etc. The way he talked about Karen Reid is a reflection of how he treated the investigation. this investigation was ridiculous from the get-go. No lead detective worth his salt will allow evidence to be put into open solo cups, and then put into a grocery bag, and then placed beside the “murder weapon, where a dirty towel was hanging. His attitude and the investigation are intrinsically linked. The jury will understand this.
I don’t pretend to know what really happened, maybe we will never know. But reasonable doubt all over this case. Nothing was done correctly.
John went in the Albert's house. They beat John up in basement. They covered up all that happened. Procter the cop broke out Karen's taillight they all planted evidence.
I agree that you attack him for a "sloppy investigation", perceived bias, conflict of interest--but because he says bad words? Regards, @legalweapon3
Well put. I agree completely.
@@legalweapon3his shitty language is just the cherry on top of a horribly made sundae. It’s part of the evidence. He lacks credibility.
I’m surprised you can’t see it yourself. But we all wear different lenses.
1. Solo cup cole tik a
2. Held onto clothes that needed forensic testing done on it.
Mass Governor says she was “disgusted by Proctors messages and it hurts all Law Enforcement”
And yet he still has his job.
I sure hope Michael Proctor was able to see the the statement the Governor made regarding his comments. Let’s just say SHE isn’t a happy camper with his comments. I’m willing to bet Proctor won’t have his position or maybe even his job after his testimony for very long. But I’m sure he will keep his job at least until the end of this trial.
All cops plant evidence at some point in their career but are still capable of doing an investigation with “integrity”. How am I supposed to take this guy serious when his ideal of a cop with integrity is also one who probably planted evidence at some point in their career. The guys a clown.
Proctor broke the taillight messed up bumper he planted evidence. They brought John's body out the basement. John's body was 8 to 10 feet in the yard from the road.
I hope you’re wrong on that issue.
@@KathleenHelms-nq1vk
I definitely believe that’s true!
@@KathleenHelms-nq1vk
Indeed he was 12 feet from the road and I don’t believe Karen hit him hard enough for him to fly 12 feet. If she hit him at all!
They should absolutely not be planting evidence
Al wants to believe all cops are good but sadly not everyone in the profession is a good guy. It is the lead investigators role to be unbiased and it was obvious from his comments that he was not. As a professional he needs to hold himself above the disgusting comments. You want your doctor's and first responders being above juvenile locker talk.
I agree with you but unfortunately that's not always the case-- and I do know there are bad cops (I have represented more than a few) --thanks for watching--Regards, @legalweapon3
Isn't that the purpose of oversight, say, for example, from Internal Affairs?
It would’ve been nice to have a woman’s opinions on this panel
So finding more than one possible dna result on the scene and the victim, why did they not call all party attendees to see if their dna might be found?
You could also argue that consequently she must have hit three people. OR if you agree she didn’t hit three people, that it might be possible that nobody was hit 🤷🏼♀️
We’ve all seen the news stories where the wrong person was convicted and sent to jail. That happens because the investigators went hard after the wrong person. You can’t act like that’s not possible when this kind of mindset is on full display from the officer…add to the mix the heightened intensity that comes from losing one of their own. It makes me think “reasonable doubt”
He left Collin off the report when Collin was there.
Please! He literally wished the Subject of his investigation would take her own life...and took information he learned during the INVESTIGATION about her medical conditions to justify his hate for her. And Albert argues that it didn't impact the investigation. PFFFT. I don't have a dog in this fight, but to say it didn't change how Proctor did his job is flat out wrong. 🙄
One more thing, Canton should have been completely removed from this entire process first of all. No one working this case should have had any ties whatsoever to anyone involved. Someone wanted to buy him a gift for getting justice 16 hours into the investigation. Planted evidence doesn’t have to be a conspiracy, cops know how critical it is to keep your mouth shut. Higgins needed to be investigated thoroughly and no one did anything. I’m pissed because I know this is not how they would have treated random people they didn’t have ties to. Ridiculous and a straight up mess
“I’m not condoning the locker room comment” who cares if you don’t condone it, you’re defending it, Al! What proctor said was not ok, and to his SUPERIORS at that
And he should be held accountable departmentally for his stupidity-- but the trial should be concentrating on what his investigation did or didn't do...or what was done poorly--not what his immature comments were--Regards, @legalweapon3
He also said their was no way the homeowner would get in trouble because he was a cop.
Anyone that hands in this case, should be fired!
I do not think Proctor has any integrity at all. He tainted this case and himself for the future. The red solo cup evidence collection, videos that skip time and not searching the house just leaves reasonable doubt. I really do think she hit him maybe not on purpose. The prosecution needs to put up some actual evidence.
Proctor had nothing to do with the solo cups .. I know the case is confusing but that was canton police before state police arrived
@@Babyd320 thank you! I was just listing the testimony we have seen that has caused reasonable doubt. Hopefully we get the ME soon.
then why are his legs fine ? his knees?
makes no sense , she didnt hit him at all.
This guy is what is wrong in law enforcement
Yeah, more unbiased opinions from the good ol’ boys club. “A few bad words”? This is disgusting, Vinnie. And you know it.
Did the coroner find that John lost half of his blood?
Then, if true, and if John was struck by the vehicle, there should be a lot of blood (at least half gallon) on the road, kerb and lawn. It was freezing cold, so the blood would not have seeped into the ground or evaporated.
This simple fact has a huge impact in the culpability of Karen.
Please explain.
He lost 3.7 liters of blood. You know the blood that was all over the concrete floor of Alberts basement. The same concrete that got demolished and thrown away by a contractor the Alberts were family friends with.
Yes, a gallon or almost 4 liters! Where did that go? The doubt meter is off the charts! Where is the Doctor Who did the Autopsy?
The judge is in on the cover-up. The judge is friends with the Albert's and cops. She visits the Albert's and goes with them to their vacation home.
False statements of fact
She’s had her pockets lined for sure
She 100% knows the Alberts. I'm from the area I know this as a fact. She has rented her Cape house out to people involved also. I won't get into details but this whole case is insane.
She is known to Albert children as "Auntie Bev"
Seriously? Wow
I think Al is talking out of his own balloon knot.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂trye
I can't believe the loud guy said Proctor's behavior didn't affect the investigation since Proctor testified, saying it didn't affect the investigation!!
Does this guy think Proctor would have said "My hatred for Karen caused me to do a bunch of bad things"
😄😄😄
Well said. LE are just regular people, no more integrity than the next guy.
He also basically said “everybody does it” regarding cops planting evidence. Absolutely wild. Like im sincerely wondering about his ability to gauge how human beings actually conduct themselves since he seems to be arguing that all cops are crooked and jurors are snitches if they follow instructions and report the things they are admonished daily to report. Im not even the most rah rah pro cop person but that is a really wild assertion
12 angry men is a perfect example of the power of persuasion in a jury room. Henry Fonda: “Following the closing arguments in a murder trial, the 12 members of the jury must deliberate, with a guilty verdict meaning death for the accused, an inner-city teen. As the dozen men try to reach a unanimous decision while sequestered in a room, one juror (Henry Fonda) casts considerable doubt on elements of the case. Personal issues soon rise to the surface, and conflict threatens to derail the delicate process that will decide one boy's fate. “. (Movie promotion).
Thank you for acknowledging Flag Day🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
What in the ever loving 1940’s is going on here?!!
Synopsis: Red herrings, all investigators do what Proctor did, it’s all locker room language just like the president’s (so it’s all good), there’s integrity here, etc? 🤮
Not guilty! There has been no evidence about how John O’Keefe was killed by Karen Read’s vehicle. She may have hit John O’Keefe with her vehicle. Yesterday, Trooper Paul did not show us how the vehicle hit John O’Keefe. The bumper was at a height of 27-28 inches. That would be under the knees for a man who is 6’2” tall. O’Keefe should have had bruising under or around his knees. Possibly, his jeans would have been ripped, too.
No cop wants an innocent person in jail ….?!?! Tell that to the innocent project. Gtfoh, they do it all the time.
Let’s get to the trial or you’re going to lose us!
Maybe his comments about Karen, had nothing to do with this case fine! But, his him not doing his job, and telling all of his buddies it was basically a wrap in 16 hours is a problem!
Al, your justification hurt my heart. I am from a long line of LEO’s. Proctor’s actions were flat WRONG! Cops like Proctor are the reason that the public has such distrust of police officers. That makes is extra dangerous for police on a daily basis. Including my son and grandson.
Agreed
Come onnnnnn talk about the case!! Lol
Show is called tangent, remember? So please don't walk away Renee...Regards, @legalweapon3
The scratches on his arm look like a dog attacked him !!! Was there a police dog present in the house? If so, was DNA taken from the animal?...
Nope. They got him out of there really quick
Albert family's German shepherd was "re-homed" to some place in Vermont.
Yeh. The rehomed doggo is probably located with the missing cell phones.
The dog was rehomed. How convenient.
Would you want to be investigated by a cop who hates you.
Don't need a history lesson. Want to hear about the Karen Read trial. We absolutely don't need a historical reference. This is nuts. Get on with it and let us hear what happened with the Karen Read jury.
It's called Tangent for a reason...and sorry if history of this great Nation bores you--Regards, @legalweapon3
Bit rude.... I'm had no idea the US has a flag day happy flag day and thank you so much for the historical information 🙏
It was fun but yeah I was getting tired of hearing it so I had to fast forward.
There should be a law like the HIPAA law for law enforcement to not be allowed to talk about police investigations with the public.
Our sheriffs Grady Judd and Bob Gualteri would never put up with this from their officers! They would be fired! These men have Integrity and expect their Officers to act properly
The shack and harrah at troopa proctaah was not an understatement wrt Jury - Lally is killing them off one by one with boredom. They didn’t sign up for Lally.
Check out parody videos Ma vs Karen read made by Auntie Deb. Hillarious.
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Al has lost all sense of reality. I think people like him are "a danger to society."
Yes agree
Regarding the governor, it’s not like she said anything the jurors didn’t already see for themselves. The whole country saw proctors testimony and heard the horrible attitude and unethical behavior. He pretty much discredited himself. If it was a trial that wasn’t widely televised I could understand and agree with argument that the governor was out of line but in this case she was not. I understand why she did it she is the governor and bad cops in the state police and atf etc looks bad as she is “in charge” & will be held responsible in the public view one way or another.
The guy in black makes me believe in Karen’s innocence even more. Very defensive. Believes that the good ole boy mindset is defensible. Proctor is even more a C word than Karen could ever be.
Never defended the "good ole boy mindset"-- on the contrary denounced it-- but want to focus on facts-- what was wrong/right with the investigation? What was/wasn't done? Not what childish and immature comments Proctor made-- no profession is immune to stupid comments but this trial is about facts--Regards, AL
At first Al talks about patriotism in 1940s and Casablanca and then in the next breath, he’s criticizing the jury for reporting somebody doing something wrong. Who is this man? What in the world or his credentials? He’s an attorney? I wouldn’t want him representing me.
Unbelievable. …
Get it straight--I NEVER criticized a juror for reporting someone doing something wrong--I applauded it! Listen more carefully next time--and don't be a Jerk--Regards, @legalweapon3
EGOS chaps dont be sooo sensitive!😮😮😮
@@legalweapon3 I got it straight. I heard what you said. Maybe you should rewind it and listen again.
It’s just LOCKER room talk!! 😂
@@mcdonols And not even the good type of bawdy locker room jive...Regards, @legalweapon3
I watched Natalie Layer Chick’s coverage of the Proctor cross on You Tube, and she is right, if you strip out the disgusting comments he made in those texts, what you are left with is clear. The girl is gonna catch serious charges, and not the homeowner, even though he says in those texts he thought the homeowner gave the victim a beat down at first. Proctor decided Karen Read was guilty of hitting him with her car by 2:30 in the afternoon when he went to seize her phone, after a missing shoe & talking to the McCabes and Brian Albert the homeowner, who is the brother of people he has relationships with. So not 16 hours into the case. 5 hours in the case. He just git around to expressing his bias and narrowed focus on her 16 hours later.
How can you trust an officer like that in the rest of his testimony......
I don’t think the jury cares about the comments. Or that he didn’t like Kr. But that they made all these exceptions for a cop family. It like the thin blue line disappears if you die on a cops lawn. It’s like JO lost his membership to back the blue when he died on their lawn.
Sorry I didn't think anyone will see justice from this case.
This case is more about how "what not to do as a responsible adult".
Cannot trust troop proctah...or any officer in this Town of Canton...or, perhaps Boston.
Proctor interviewing 3 witnesses -who didnt even witness the accident- is all he needs to decide what happened...WHAT?
I'm all for cops, but if their dirty? Then they should be reprimanded and fired! This is what is wrong with our judicial system? The judged and prosecutors are dirty!! This needs to be fixed!
The question is whether this cop's private thoughts and personal opinions of a cop killer are appropriate subjects of discipline
@@bethmccrae2714how about being bias and not following the laws you swore to uphold? His disgusting comments aren’t the worst thing he’s done here.
@@bethmccrae2714don’t forget Karen Read is innocent until proven guilty; therefore, she is only accused of killing John O’Keefe. His private thoughts are his own but he decided to share them with friends and family while giving them info about an ongoing investigation. In addition, he violated KR’s rights when he looked thru her phone before the search warrant came thru
@@bethmccrae2714they are no longer his private thoughts when he shares them with his superiors in a group chat he thought no one would see and his fellow investigators are replying “F**k her. B***h.” And the supervisors are in the group chat indicating they are laughing about and find what Procter and DiCicco are saying funny. Im not even saying what he said to his friends, sister and wife. Just by the conversations he felt comfortable having with his direct supervisors (“haven’t found any nudes yet”) and the fact they didn’t check him tells me he is the main problem but not the only problem
Not at all guilty
No! He should Never had been on this case!!!! Period.. Even if it was just “Locker room talk” you said that Proctor you felt sorry for him? Who I feel sorry for is John O’Keefe!! But throughout this trial, he has been completely disregarded,considered a body.. a number it’s disgusting. Remember, who were talking about here? What if that man was still alive and had first responders at hand? They did nothing, and heard nothing!!? I have a train by my work and I dream about that train and the noise.. Albert heard Nothing!!?? Stop it!!! And if he was alive, he was in the snow, slowly passing away?!! if that were my brother, my friend, my boyfriend, husband,..I couldn’t live with myself. They should’ve investigated that house. Period. I worked many years in the legal field and if for nothing.. Poorly investigated!! So yes .. Shame on you..
Well, the Governor of MA has finally condemned Proctors behavior.
I thought she condemned him this morning.
Absolutely That’s what Proctor did!
But fortunately for Karen theres enough other evidence to get a Not Guilty verdict for Karen Read.
why is no one bringing up the fact this case was handed over due to conflict of canton police
then handed to proctor who lives in canton and knows the entire albert family
it's sus
to US!
Sorry, Vinnie.. I love watching you usually but I can’t deal with one of the commenters here. This is real life, not a movie yet!!!
A wise man once said: "Life is an MGM movie"-- Regards, @legalweapon3
@@legalweapon3get over yourself lol
Not guilty
The common person can see this is a frame up all the cops need to be arrested and charged with felony crimes.
Didn't investigate people of the residence.
Not guilty…
Cannot trust Procter to write a valid parking ticket!
You are absolutely right about talking about Flag Day Before Karen Read!!!
we're watching because of the trial. . . no tangents.
FYI if you thought going 24 mph in reverse was outrageous. Now there’s a Trooper Paul saying Karen Read was going 97mph in reverse and hit John O’Keefe. If you can believe that one.
What a jerk Al is… I can’t listen anymore.
Takes one--apparently--to know one--Regards, @legalweapon3
@@legalweapon3 or are we a little defensive? A juror apparently does the right thing and you criticize them after making it sound like you’re a huge pre-patriot. that’s a joke. And it’s a shame for America.
@@nbgilbert when did I say that?--I applauded the juror for doing the right thing--I'm not defensive just don't like being called out for something I didn't do-- be bright and get it right--Regards, @legalweapon3
Bye!
Pearl clutcher alert.
You seem like a good old boy and we all know who those guys are.
Cannot stand good ole boys
Vinnie, please tell me WHY no one is mentioning the BRIGHT RED glow of Karen's taillight in the video where she hits John's car?? It's driving me insane because a taillight without a cover shines LIKE A HEADLIGHT!! From the (after) picture provided by police there is very little red!! Not to mention how easy that would be to reconstruct! Ugh...vent over 😊🤪
The prosecutions argument is that it didn't break when she hit his car. It broke when she hit john
@jensoldat8085 exactly!! This video was the next morning, when she was leaving to go and find him dead... so it would have already been broken had she killed him with her car 💁♀️ thus no bright red light according to their own picture
@@LaurieDean-wy3xb OH!!!! Then that changes everything!
@@jensoldat8085 YESSS!! 😊
It would still show up as red because it was still surrounded by mostly red plastic with only small parts missing.
Do I trust Trooper Proctor? No! Do I trust Karen Read? No! I don't condone Proctor's vulgar comments and as crass and stupid as he is, as a juror I would not base any guilt due to vulgar language. But I think he's shady and I think Karen Read is shrewd and deceptive.
The real cover up is whether Canton and it’s neighboring cities killed off all their POC except Nicolas. My screen is so white 🤣🤣🤣
I know this is hard for you to understand, but not everything is about you.
Someone from the area said Canton is where all the white folks white flighted to in the 1970s when Boston implemented bussing to desegregate the schools. The main minority in Norfolk county according to the most recent demographic information I can find is the Asian community.
This Albert guy is way off.. if proctor refused himself from this case, a honest investigator would of went in BA house. Imo they would of found the blood in basement. Game over
This Albert wunsh,the 3rd
If you listened to what I said, I stated it was wrong for him to stay on this investigation and he had a duty to recuse--so how am I way off? And last name spelled WUNSCH--Regards, @legalweapon3
About the waste of taxpayers money thing, while it probably is used as a line I wonder if it’s sometimes out of frustration. Because, from what I have seen, trying to get funds to pay for tests or experts if you’re the defence is kind of like trying to get blood from a stone.
He lied about knowing or having the Alberts or McGabes. Remember the jury instructions?
The history lesson with Al was the best part of the show. It's sad so many people don't know those historical facts, but they probably know the date a new video game or iPhone came out. Thank you, Al! 👍
I truly appreciate your kind words-- history is so important and I take a beating bringing it up every week--Regards, AL
It was my favorite part of the show too. Especially being that today's my Birthday and I love history😁
@@legalweapon3 Is this really Al? If so, this was my first time seeing you/hearing you. I love that you are a history person and love the movie Casablanca! You are a man after my own heart!
It was infuriating and pointless. Does knowing the history mean women aren’t people? Does knowing how badly cops used to act make the way they’re acting now acceptable? Ugh. Nope.
NO Not when they put there badge on!!! They took an Oath to protect and serve! There oath is to be unpartial! That is there job.....
Their*
You guys are the Click and Clack of law commentary 😂
I love click & clak the tap it Brothers 😂
Not guilty