2022 Honda NAVI: Freezing Weather Kickstart // Carburetor Mixture & Idle Issues
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
- Today is Monday, January 3, 2021, and I'm doing another cold start video... but this time, it's REALLY cold! Skip to the end of this description for clickable time indexes.
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My NAVI's idle issues are still happening even after increasing my idle speed slightly. I will probably take it back to the dealer somewhere around the 300-mile mark to see if we can do the first service early and open a case with Honda regarding the carburetor's issues.
I'm hoping that my NAVI's issues are isolated and easy to fix. If you own a NAVI, then please leave some comments and let me know if you're experiencing any idle problems or if your bike is working normally. 😉👍
Time indexes:
0:00 Cold kickstart on the NAVI in 28°F weather
3:06 No-choke restart trial after warming up for 3 minutes
5:00 Rich air/fuel mixture during break-in, adjust at 600-mile service?
7:55 Restarting on full choke, rear brake set while on center stand
12:00 Idle settings and CVT/clutch caveats
13:04 1-mile ride in the freezer to retest the warm idle stumble
15:45 Returning home and the idle stumble & stalls are still happening
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Never heard of a choke or even a carburetor on a bike. Then again, I’m a noob hence me looking at the Navi 😂
So do you need to flip that fuel knob every time your about to start, and you stop riding? And whats the purpose of the clutch?
Howdy, Matthew! That's why I wanted to do some of these introductory and "caveat" videos about the Navi. It's rare to see a carbureted bike in today's modern fuel-injected world, so new riders probably haven't seen or even considered some of these retro quirks. 😉
The primary function of the fuel petcock is to shut off the fuel flow to the carburetor's float bowl. The carb has a small valve that allows fuel to flow into the "bowl" and closes automatically as the fuel level rises. Problems can occur when that valve doesn't close completely (due to corrosion, dirt, or other sealing issues), and the carburetor can overflow... dumping fuel all over the ground below the bike.
The secondary function of the fuel petcock is the "reserve" feature. There are two separate siphons/straws inside the fuel tank: the main pickup for the "on" position sits higher than the "reserve" pickup. The main pickup will starve when your fuel runs low, and the engine will cut out or stall. That's when you flip over to the reserve position so the lower pickup can drain the remaining fuel from the tank.
A carburetor is also an "open system" that exposes the fuel in the bowl to air, humidity, and atmospheric pressure changes. If you leave the fuel petcock open (in the "on" or "reserve" position), then fuel slowly but surely evaporates from the carburetor's bowl. That means that it's gradually "leaking" out as long as the fuel is on, so you can lose a significant amount of fuel over a few days... particularly in hot climates or if the bike is parked outside in the sun.
Fuel injection is a closed system that doesn't expose the fuel to any additional atmosphere other than what's in the fuel tank. Modern fuels that have ethanol added to them are hygroscopic/hydrophilic, so they absorb water from the air. Gasoline contaminated with alcohol and water will degrade very quickly (within just a few weeks), creating cement-like deposits in the fuel system.
That's what kills carburetors and makes the engine not run properly. Those deposits clog up the tiny orifices in the fuel metering jets inside the carburetor, so the air/fuel ratio isn't correct over varying engine RPM's (or, more technically, vacuum levels through the carburetor's venturi). If you want to watch an excellent video on how carburetors work, check out this one from @FortNine : ua-cam.com/video/ZRNfyz1Cgvg/v-deo.html . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard wow, thanks for replying, and giving me that info. Would love to see a video where you explain it all (fuel petcock, choke, and the carburetor itself), so that new potential riders like me get that heads up before purchasing.
Like, I honestly wouldn't have bothered messing with the Fuel Petcock until you gave me that lesson. 😅
Had a carburator 20 yrs ago , never again...you get what you pay for
Ethanol fuels ruin that argument, hands down. It's possible to prevent carburetors from clogging from ethanol deposits, but it's necessary to drain the float bowl and run them dry before storing them for any length of time. --QM
@@Chadh9322 True, but how do you pack a fuel separator and drain kt on your back to refuel the Navi every 0.9 gallons and 67 miles? 🤣
Just left my local Honda dealer ... Navi in Ryobi Green acquired! Haven't had a motorcycle since I was a kid ... figured I would start here. I blame you lol! Thanks for the great videos
Congrats! I blamed him also when I bought my Super Cub! I’m having tons of fun
I have street bob and I also blame him because I can't stop thinking about Navi.
You are a light saver it’s been cold AF the past few days and my navi wouldn’t start so I came across this video. I just wanna say thank you
Thanks for the feedback, and I'm glad that the video helped! The Navi's carburetor problems seem to be hit-or-miss... some owners don't have any problems at all, while others have significant idle and cold-start problems. I still haven't drilled out the welch plug to reset my air/fuel mixture screw, but I'm sure that's all my Navi's carb needs to behave properly. I'll record a video and share that when I get into that project sometime soon. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
this makes me miss my carbed chinese 125, starting that bike was always an event :) thank you for all the videos love the small cc stuff
i can’t find a navi at any dealers in kentucky so i just watch these videos in intense jealousy😂 good stuff!
Rewatching your Navi videos since I own one now. Lol I'm going to learn how to do the maintenance, repairs, etc. It's gonna be fun! 😊
I agree with the Elite comment. I have an 80 and a 125, both with the automatic by-starter. At least the Navi has a manual choke. I’m looking forward to getting my Navi but I must say, this makes me appreciate my fuel injected Super Cub even more.
I have the 80 also, touchy starting when cold.
Great video. I just bought the exact same bike yesterday. Same color. Mine behaved the exact same way yours did. Tried to run it in the freezing cold and I found myself messing with the idle screw to keep it from stalling. I’m about to run it again after it’s sitting indoors. I’ll comment again with results.
I've been riding a navi for a long time now and the carb issues pop up every now and then and sometimes it's just the fuel knob when I forget to put it into reserve, because mine doesn't have a fuel gauge.
But I have to mess with the A/F mixture after every 4-5 months because of changes in weather and sometimes within days because of changes in altitude. It runs fine even at -10°C if the carb is adjusted properly.
The engine misbehaves sometimes at traffic stops and that's how I know it's time to adjust the carb again. And it runs pretty well after that. I take it on 100mile trips and it mostly runs without any issues and seat is comfortable once your ass gets used to and the seat gets used to your ass too.
You earned yourself a subscriber today 👍🏻 well done and thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge. You helped me figure out I was using the choke bass ackwards 🤦🏼♂️😂 have a great day!
Did you get your problem solved?
I just bought one two days ago. I was experiencing similar issues with a low idle. Couldn’t get it to stay running. Hoping the dealer can get it fixed and back to me quickly.
Did you check the spark plug? Took mine to the dealers and that’s all they did and she purrs like new now. 23$
Hello. I was experiencing this yesterday. It was about 45 degrees by me. I purchased the Navi about 2 weeks ago. It was parked up for a week since my first ride. Keep us posted on the current status.
Ahh...the joys of a carb. I'm more surprised it's that cold in Katy :)
I appreciate your videos. The carburetor issues are off-putting for sure. However, I live in a warmer climate and since I am not nearly as tough as you😊, I will only ride when it is warm.
Thanks for all the info.
i am sorry that you are having problems i am following to see what the out come is from Honda thinking of buying one but
I figure and wait to see how they perform thank you for your honest review
Thanks for the feedback, Don! I'm sure that these little issues are fixable, so I'm not concerned. I really enjoy my NAVI, and I'll be sure to keep everyone updated on the minor carburetion issues that I'm having... along with the magic bullet that cures it!
I have several other NAVI ride videos that I've posted lately that show more riding and less complaining. Be sure to check those out so you can see the NAVI in a better light. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I had an Elite 80 is that was brutally cold blooded. Took a lot of adjusting to make the bike usable.
Remember they have to make these engines pretty damn lean to pass emmisions. Especially on 1 cylinder bikes. they seem to run a little more "dirty" for some reason. My bet is if You richened up the mixture a little bit, it would run a heck of a lot better
i just changed my mind about Navi , thank you
Don't let the carburetion issues put you off... the NAVI is a really fun little bike! My bike might be unique with these carburetor issues. I'll be sure to keep everyone updated as the situation and the fixes develop. I will be repostng my livestream from this morning with better quality (no drop-outs), and I discuss these issues in some detail. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Can’t wait to get me one of these. Come on summer ! 😂
Quasi, it would help if you had a Tachometer Trail tech makes a real good one , that will help to diagnose some of the issues, and yes you can drill out the screw on the carb, you know they upgrade kits to make that bad boy go from 110cc to 125cc and even 150cc, sounds like a headache buddy....Good Luck to You Sir...
Keep up the vids please thank u sir 🙏
Many thanks for this video. I would be really interested if you could do a comparison between the Navi and the Super cub, please. The carburetor vs injection already is an clear distinction when watching this video. Considering the road conditions, I was wondering if the larger wheels on the super cub are much for forgiving in terms of rougher roads. Thank you so much.
Thanks for the feedback! I'm planning to do some NAVI vs PCX and NAVI vs SC videos very soon. I need to find another rider that's close to my weight so we can do head-to-head acceleration and top speed runs. My son will probably help me out, but he's a beefy boy now... he tips the scales about 30 pounds heavier than I do. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard that sounds great! I’m really looking forward to this. My 17yo oldest is some 15 kgs heavier and 11 cm taller (apologies for our metric system 😆) than I am already as well. Have a great day!
Good luck getting to that spark plug tho… lol I hope you got it fixed!
Thanks, Mike! I pulled my plug during my 300-mile check-up and again at 600 miles. The plug seems to be gapped properly and it's not obscenely fouled by carbon (it's much darker than it should be, but not sloppy wet or fouled).
My Navi's carburetor is just plain misadjusted. I haven't been harping on it too much lately because the ball is in my court now. I know how to fix it, so it's waiting on me. I'm hoping to have time to dig into that project and document it properly with a wideband O2 sensor so we can all see imperial statistics and how the adjustments alter those conditions. We'll see how it goes! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Tough call... Navi is super affordable tho a bit light on features and the Super Cub has a lot but the price is not real far from an Mt-03 or Royal Enfield 350. I do like the SC tho and you have sure put it through it’s paces!
I put $ down at my local dealer for the navi but after seeing your Honda PCX 150 you got me questioning my deposit now. I'd like to ask since you have both which one you prefer and would buy first if you had to do it all over gain?
Apparently, all Honda is shipping are these greenish/yellow bikes. This is my least favorite color. How difficult is it going to be to pop off the side panels to get wrapped?
I would LOVE to see you do a small Honda motorcycle comparison video. The Navi, Trail 125, super cub, and from would be amazing
I wonder if Honda has some issue with that carb. My 20 year old Honda generator ( 8 horse) starts and runs smoothly in all temps and I have not babied it.
Was riding to a buddy of mines and the Navi shut off during a red light right as the green light turned on. I panicked and turned up the choke and tried to start it and it took a 2 tries to turn on. And just rode with the choke on for rest of the block.
My Piaggio mp3 250 started right off when it 19 degrees east TX since 5 days ago!
Wooo... chilly! 🥶 I was lucky for the past couple of days with 70+ degree weather. I was able to ride around both days on the NAVI to cover more break-in miles. 😉👍 --QM
If you had the chance, remove the cap that covers the air-fuel mixture screw. I had a sym scooter that uses a cvk carb. You will get used to it.
Hello there, the same issue and misbehave started for me a few days ago when i switched to a lower octane gasoline 90, i didn't have any problems when i was using a 95 octane, and also it takes forever to warm up now so i going back to 95, i though i should share this with you, and the owner manual says the recommended octane is 91 or higher.
Wish you luck and stay safe, big fan from Jordan.
Thanks for the feedback! Our fuel octane ratings are different in the USA. We use "PON" (pump octane number), which is actually the AKI standard (anti-knock index). Honda's NAVI owner's manual specifies a minimum fuel rating of 85 PON, which is roughly equivalent to 92 RON in Europe. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard ooh okay, thanks for the good info, ig we learn something new every day, i just thought i might need to share what I've experienced on my navi, looking forward for more videos to learn more, keep going i really enjoy watching your videos and live streams 😊
Should always try to reduce the choke as quickly as possible, otherwise fuel washes oil from the bore and causes premature wear. Air cooled bikes should also be ridden off as soon as possible especially in warm weather as the cooling does not work evenly on a stationary bike. When I balance the carbs on my gs550 I have a fan running in front of it. Watercooled is much more stable so no need to worry then.
Hey Quasi!
I'm guessing they just tried to keep the cost down, but roughly how much do you think it would cost Honda to make it fuel injected ?
That's a good question! I assume that it would only add $200-250 to the price of the bike. These are very mature engines, and Honda has been using their PGM-FI system on smaller scooters for decades.
I think this was probably a "new old stock" (NOS) liquidation of Honda's stock inventory from the Latin- American market. Honda's marketing seems to be going for the shock value of the sub-2000$ price tag. Some dealers seem to be marking up the price and adding whatever they want to the MSRP, so it might not be a bargain in some cases. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard I see what your saying, you do seem to always make sense man.
I always enjoy the content and your opinions.
Thanks buddy!
Very informative content. By watching , idle issues. What if idle was used with the center stand? Not kick stand. Reason system would read level maybe? Im just. asking. Thank you
Thanks for the feedback! The bike is on the center stand during these tests. The NAVI has an ignition interlock on the side stand that will kill the motor if the stand is down. 😉👍 --QM
Have you got a line on any accessories for this bike? I've looked all over and all I can find are sites in languages I don't speak.
Ok. I’m old and this fuel injection is new fangled. It’s on almost everything I own but that’s besides the point. All road legal carburetors now a days are set up to run lean. They need to so they can pass emissions. There is nothing wrong with your Navi. A carburetor is set up to run within certain parameters. That’s how a carb works unlike fuel injection. So if it’s too cold the carb will not work properly until your engine is warmed up. So after you have warmed the engine up for 2-3 minutes, get on it and take it for a ride to clear it’s throat. Your lucky it’s not a 2-stroke or you would already be purchasing a spark plug. Also it has a fuel enricher as opposed to a choke which cuts off air to richen your mixture as opposed to a fuel enricher which adds fuel to richen your mixture. I mention this because as soon as you turn the throttle you over ride the fuel enricher. So please just enjoy your Navi for what it isn’t. Fuel injected.
Normally if it dies when you put the choke off early it is because it is too lean. Could try a hotter grade plug.
Same A/F ratio combo here in Sunny CA. Only have 36 miles, and still have rich conditions on idling. Boggs, stalls, can't re-start for hours (time for fuel to evaporate I guess). Burned more than 1/2 tank on 35 miles. Took back to dealer, we'll see. Thanks for the tips. How did you resolve in the end?
I haven't resolved my Navi's idle issues yet... still struggling with the rich running, stumbling, and stalling issues. I'm sitting at almost 600 miles, so it's time for the first service and carburetor adjustment. If the dealer can't resolve the issue, then I'll dig into the carburetor to adjust the A/F ratio or replace the jets. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard My bike still at dealer trying to resolve issue with Honda. Does this video make sense? (Issue with spark plug boot) ua-cam.com/video/HdO2ECPA-2I/v-deo.html
That makes sense, but it doesn't explain a rich or lean mixture problem. Typically, a weak ignition coil or loose spark plug boot will result in misfires, low-RPM hiccups, or loss of power at high-RPM (due to poor spark performance).
If the plug boot is defective, then replacing the boot with a higher quality one or just replacing the ignition coil/boot combo with a new unit should resolve the issue. Apparently, many of the Navi's have poorly adjusted carburetors or defective seals. These issues seem to be too common and too erratic for simple assembly line glitches... it seems to be manufacturing defects with the carburetors (and could) or other endemic quality control problems. 😉👍 --QM
Well it has not put me off still looking forward to mine and if it's 28 degrees I'm taking the truck haha. And as you say they are all fixable issues
My 74 TS125 Suzuki would cool off at idle and need a choke when the temperatures were down in the 30s.
yeah having fuel injection on a bike where i live seems pretty necessary considering its cold here 4 to 5 months a year
Hey Quasi!
I just received my first bike the other day, its a 50cc Dongfang Scooter. I noticed my idle is pretty low from the factory but there's some kind of metal cap over the idle adjustment screw and not sure what that is to look it up. Would you happen to know about these kinds of things on carbs? Thanks!
The idle adjustment screw is usually exposed and not capped over, but the air/fuel adjustment is capped for EPA regulations. If you don't have an exposed idle screw on the side of the carburetor body (usually left side and has a spring beneath the screw head), then you might need to drill out that welch plug to gain access and make adjustments.
I would recommend waiting until the engine has a few hours of break-in before making any adjustments. Also take notes about how many turns in/out that you make. Work in small increments of 1/8 to 1/4 turn in each direction until you have it running smoothly. Good luck, and congrats on your new scoot! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard thanks for the advice I’ll keep that in mind!
Had the same problem and they replaced the spark plug and she’s good as new
I just picked mine up today, I’m having the exact issue you are. Hopefully there will be a tsb, if not maybe an actual solution from Honda? I can’t imagine this rough idle and stalling all the time is acceptable, even when trying to squeeze past regulation standards..
Congrats on your new NAVI, and condolances on your idle issues. Misery loves company! 🤣
Does your bike also smell very rich when running OFF choke? I noticed it immediately when coming to a stop at an intersection or when I shut off the bike. Mine seems to be running extra rich all the time. We'll figure it out... this is old technology with lots of tuning experience out there. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard yes, when i coast or come to a stop, the richness in exhaust is very obvious, but its hard to be upset, this little analog simple scooter in disguise has so much charm! Thanks for the reply!
@@bimastrike87 try changing the spark plug. I had this exact issue that you guys are all having and I took to a Honda dealer and they changed the spark plug for 23$ and she purrs like new again
hi great video.
Thanks so much for all your videos. I picked up my Navi on Friday The 13th. I live in New Jersey. Been very hard to get this running in cold weather. When it's warming up on the center stand I always hear this weird tapping sound. Sounds likes rocks rolling around. I cannot figure out what the sound is. It only does the sound on the center stand. Anyone hear the same noise?
Thanks for the feedback! I'm not sure about the noise... it could be variator or belt noise. You should join into my Discord server (free, link is in my YT "about" page) and send us a short video of the problem. We might be able to diagnose it by listening with you. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
It wouldn't hurt if Honda put the PGM-FI in the Navi.... but for a simple bike, it's still good
When you get the a/f ratio corrected, would that help increase the mpg?
Yes, the fuel economy should increase with a leaner fuel mixture. Another channel viewer sent me a message on Discord this morning advising that there is NO mixture screw under that block out plate. I'll need to dig into mine to verify the situation.
If we don't have an A/F adjustment, then we'll probably be replacing our carburetors with aftermarket units that are adjustable. Converting to fuel injection would be nice, but that's a bigger and more expensive project. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Hi! So I have a deposit down for a navi and I'm super stoked! It is freezing here though so if you can give an update when u got one that would be amazing! (1st time rider here so yall r talking Chinese 2 me haha)
@@asal1999 Howdy, Sal! I was one of the first NAVI owners in Texas. Eastside Honda in Baytown, TX ( www.eastsidehonda.com/ ) received one of the first shipments, and I was their first reservation in line. You can watch the unboxing and delivery video here if you're interested: ua-cam.com/video/64QG635R7aM/v-deo.html . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Boy, you weren’t kidding about the idle issues. Just bought mine today and it keeps dying at stop lights. Were you able to resolve this?
Thanks for the feedback! I try to get straight to the point and to give balanced opinions on these topics... both good and bad... that's just part of motorcycle ownership! My NAVI's carburetor is still misbehaving, but I haven't taken it back to the dealer yet for the 600-mile first service. I'm hoping that they can adjust it under warranty so I don't need to mess with it (yet).
Adjusting the carburetor (or replacing it with an aftermarket unit) won't be difficult. There are several aftermarket companies that are selling jet kits and other intake/exhaust bits, so that's my next stop if adjusting the A/F screw doesn't resolve my NAVI's idle issues. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard You’re the man. Thanks for the reply. I also convinced my Uncle to get a Navi for his RV because of you. Your videos are addictive. Rebel 1100, Navi and your crazy cross country trips. Don’t stop spreading knowledge!
Would love to find that India service manual.
@@patrickknight766 I have a copy of the service manual, but I don't want to post links here because it might be copyrighted material (even though everyone and their dog seems t have a PDF copy). Jump onto my Discord server and we'll hook you up: discord.com/invite/DfC97FU . Cheers, and we hope to see you in the chat! 😉👍 --QM
I read about you running out of fuel on your NAVI (which I'm contemplating purchasing).How about purchasing a small gasoline container and keeping it in that little storage box it comes in,just for piece of mind and keep you from hurting you back..lol
Yep, that's the plan! I discussed that in another vlog a couple of days later. I plan to carry a MSR fuel bottle with me, so that should give about 15 miles of extra reserve if/when needed. 😉👍 --QM
Twist your throttle twice before you set the choke it will start
I just picked mine up and can’t keep it running do you fix the issue?
Congrats on your new NAVI! My NAVI's carburetor is still misbehaving, but I haven't taken it back to the dealer yet for the 600-mile first service. I'm hoping that they can adjust it under warranty so I don't need to mess with it (yet).
Adjusting the carburetor (or replacing it with an aftermarket unit) won't be difficult. There are several aftermarket companies that are selling jet kits and other intake/exhaust bits, so that's my next stop if adjusting the A/F screw doesn't resolve my NAVI's idle issues. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Interesting, but in a real world scenario I feel most people will have their gear on by the time you need to pull out some choke and are ready to go.
Also, seems they capped off the AF knob to prevent aftermarket mods (e.g. intake/exhaust) so you’ll probably need a new carb if you plan on modding it while under warranty.
Howdy, Mystx! True, but notice at the end of the video when I pulled it around in the driveway and it STILL died after being ridden for a while. It has been doing that regularly at stop signs and intersections, so it's becoming more than an annoyance at this point.
I don't seem to have the stalls after about 5 miles of fast/hard riding, but it still stumbles like it's gonna stall. It will be interesting to dig into both the motor and the carburetor to check the settings. I've also seen slack valves and bad spark plug gap cause these issues. The overly-rich smell of the exhaust still points toward an A/F ratio issue. The fix might be as simple as a half-turn on the A/F screw... we'll see! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard none of the other TX navi owners seem to be reporting an issue so it may very well be an issue with your specific bike, hopefully that’s the case because your videos aren’t quite the glowing review for prospective navi owners!
Just brought my two red navis home...
Does it help if you add fuel stabilizer?
Adding fuel stabilizers can help for storage and reduce the tendency of the ethanol content to wick water vapor from the air. These cold start issues are common with many carbureted vehicles. My Navi seems to have a misadjusted carb mixture, so that exaggerates the problem.
Fuel stabilizers only delay the spoiling of the fuel. Using E-0 (ethanol-free) is the better option if it's available in your area. Houston only has a handful of stations that sell E0, and they are so distant that they are impractical (Navi only has a 55-65 mile range). Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
And the manual says to remove the battery during cold months and charge every 30 days
LOL! I read that, too! It's a LOT easier to install a battery tender/charger lead on the battery, then just plug the bike in during long-term storage. My Navi's battery has gone flat on me a couple of times due to my USB phone charger, but I was able to kickstart it and it recharged just fine: ua-cam.com/video/w95NYjN9HHA/v-deo.html . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I would honestly just idle it through like 2-3 tanks of gas for break in
Typical carb bike to me haha makes, me wonder if they set carbs at the dealer for their locations? Still like them alot
Hmm... that's a good point. In the golden days of carbureted bikes, it wasn't uncommon to have bikes set for particular altitude/operating regions. Before all of the stringent emissions laws and the phase-out of carburetors began, the A/F adjustment screw(s) were exposed and easy to adjust... sometimes the single-cylinder bikes even had thumb screws to make on-the-fly adjustments for altitude compensation. The EPA mandates in the early 2000's killed that fun and mandated that the A/F screws have block-out plates to prevent operators from changing the mixture.
However, Honda still might be setting these for certain regions as they are being shipped out... it's an interesting thought. In any case, I'm at sea level (Houston sits at 80-190 ft ASL), so my NAVI's rich mixture would just get worse at higher altitudes. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
My 2022 Honda Ruckus does the same thing when cold started after a few days. Carburetors are so unreliable. Ill never buy another carburerated vehicle of any kind.
Was going to get one , but not now
It's a fun little runaround bike, but the carburetor can be a pain to deal with. I made these videos because there are a lot of new riders shopping the Navi as their first bike, and they might not have experience with old-school tech like carburetors. Most people are accustomed to modern fuel injection... hit the ignition and GO! Carbureted bikes have other considerations like cold starting, choke operation, fuel petcock on/off, etc, etc. Those points are important to consider BEFORE buying just so expectations aren't ruined by reality. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
What's your elevation?
We're at nearly sea level throughout the Houston/Katy area. My driveway sits at 105 feet ASL. 👍 --QM
This is why companys wint send you bikes to review. You show all the little quarks and oddities and issues of every bike. They dont want that. They want puff pieces where the only negative is you dont like the color of the brake levers.
Can’t you cover it with a tarp to make it less work for it when it starts up?
@ichangedmyname4563 It's stored inside a garage; does that count? 🤔
I have no idea what is going on.
Let’s play a drinking game!! Every time he says “it’s running to rich”
It's running too rich. Drink your shot! --QM
why is it smaller than a scooter 🛵? tho
It appears small on camera, but it actually sits as tall as the Grom or other scooters. The small 10" rear wheel looks a bit odd, and the wheelbase might be a bit shorter than some scooters. 😉👍 --QM
What country made this bike
Assembled in Mexico. --QM
*Honda GROM ex MSX (Mike, Sierra, X-Ray) popular here in sunny tropical bikers Paradise THAILAND* ua-cam.com/video/SH3hCvVxf5E/v-deo.html
It is air cooled and carbureted your mower will do the same thing
Is there a reason to not just leave it on Full Choke even when you ride and take off with it?
Yes, you could do that, but the engine will start running poorly within just a few seconds while under load. Most manufacturers caution to NOT run the engine on choke any longer than absolutely necessary to prevent engine wear and potential damage. Overly-rich fuel mixtures can foul the spark plug and dilute the engine oil, which results in unnecessary piston ring and cylinder wear. 👍 --QM
That’s why I like fuel injection!!
I never turn my gas off, no problems.
I wish these came in a black color
bought a navi two weeks ago, whoever siad it was cheap and easy...lied. im about 6 to 7 grand in, wasted about 30 hours of life.....this is due to a few mechanic visits, bikes got less then 200 km on it. nothing but problems. bike stalls, throttle wont respond to acceleration. funny the first thing evryone one from honda says " YA, THIS ISNT COVERED BY WARRANTY" LOL OF COURSE IT ISNT>
Should always wear gloves, even on hot day's
You do not need lights on in the USA unless you ride at dusk or later. It's no different than a car. You don't even need lights unless you drive at night. It's like plates,tabs,reg and a Driver's license. Unless it is being used for commercial use, you don't need any of that. And the supreme court backed it up in 2019 when stating. Driving is a right not a privilege that can be taken away at someone's whim. So when a judge takes your license, he is taking your right to operate a commercial vehicle only because, he has no authority beyond that. It is also written into every DMV code that I have looked up. Doesn't mean you won't get harassed over it, keep the proper documentation in the vehicle and the harassment should be minimal. Just sayin, not everything is as it seems. Cheers
Agreed on the legalities to some extent, but DMV and DOT regs are very clear for any new motorcycle sold in the USA for decades now: headlights are required and mandate that there is no OFF switch as in many other countries (our bikes haven't had headlamp on/off switches since the late 70's). I would never ride without headlights on and running high beam anywhere in the USA. That's just a basic safety precaution and common sense in my book. The accident stats speak for themselves. --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thanks for the reply. Keep in mind DMV and DOT are not law making bodies. There must be a law that backs it up. Alot of things are only perceived to be illegal until challenged. I don't recall if you have used a quad copter for any of your filming but, local police/law enforcement have no authority over someone using one. Only the Federal Police can just like the post office. (Unless they have a written agreement on file for the post office) people tend to assume things. Not saying you are. And I do not disagree with using daylights. But I see no advantage. Nor do I see any statistics on daylight usage being safer. I can very easily argue that it is less safe. Also you mentioned mandated. It only applies if you agree to it. It's the actual definition Of a mandate. Thanks for the Convo . I enjoy your videos and commentary. Cheers
Started great for that cold! I can tell you know nothing about carb Hondas! Or carbs in general.
How so? I've owned 100+ carbureted bikes over the past 4 decades. The problem that I'm having with my NAVI is that it's constantly dying even after running for several minutes. It won't idle without holding the throttle open, which slips the clutch, and that's a bad thing. I'll take it back to the dealer for the 600-mile service and see if it can be adjusted under warranty before I start hacking at it. --QM
When it starts to die take choke out! I’ve only owned 36 Hondas.
@@QuasiMotard I’m fixing to buy one and I’ve owned a bunch and still doo Hondas and I guess it’s hard for me to think that Honda ever made something that wasn’t 100% perfect just given you a hard time and I apologize for anything I might of said to upset you! Let all of us know what the dealership says and keep us informed im buying one next week.
Looks like a pain. Deal breaker.
Well, could it be that you had some weak kicks in there. 🤷♂️😂😂
A few times in the past and with some recent bikes, the boots on the throttle cable are loose. When you have air leaks around the slide cap, the idle acts weird when you let off at the light. I'm going to wrap some electrical tape around the boots to try to seal it off more and see if the behavior changes.
You should hold the throttle wide open for the first 2-3 kicks and it will prime the fuel in the cylinder. I grew up riding hondas year-round in minnesota.