QuasiMotard says you can skip around to different chapters because it's a long video. I am betting that alot of us just let it roll! I normally am a skipper 90% of the time but I find myself getting into the rides and just sit back and enjoy, like I was riding along.
I have made the Houston to Austin run a thousand times on a motorcycle. I would have never tried it on a 100cc scooter. I love these videos. I used to ride 25 miles to high school on I10 to Wilcox,AZ on a 120cc trail bike. That was dangerous enough but, I was 15 and invulnerable.
recent follower ... love the variety of your content including rants ... 67 y.o. retired geek and disabled vet ... I live on the north side of Houston. 45 between 8 and 1960. Thanks to your content, I'm thinking about getting a moped/scooter/dct bike. I used to ride a Honda 50 and 150 around base while serving.
Yessir... I rode the Navi from Katy to Austin and back in one day. The total mileage was ~300 miles on mostly rural highways, but I did have one 20+ mile stretch on Hwy 290. You can use Google Maps or Waze for routing, but they don't always honor the "no highways" and "no toll roads" options. Several of my channel viewers have recommended the ScootRoute app on Android because it prefers bicycle routes. Let me know if you have any specific questions about the trip, and I'll be happy to help! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
This right here is a Navi SCBR warm-up. Aside from the fuel and top speed issue the Navi looks fine for long journeys. Once you fix the little fuel issues this Im calling this video the Scooter Golf Ball Run.
I like that fuel cell idea. First time I've heard of anyone thinking of that modification. Not sure how that'd effect top speeds, but I'd love to see you give that idea a shot. That tiny .9 stock tank could definitely use an upgrade
It is interesting that they didn't just go straight to 4 litres instead of stopping at 3.5 liters. Or mayb they just didn't care about it and only worried about aesthetics.
For the $ of the ADV, there’s a lot of cool used bikes you can score. I picked up a Navi last year with 200mi. for MSRP without the dealer fees. Love it! Had fun watching your trip!
Not yet... my Navi is bone stock so far. I do have a spare OEM carburetor sitting in a box that might go on my Navi if I can ever find time to restart that project. I planned to install a wideband O2 sensor in the exhaust to monitor the air/fuel ratio before I started any tuning or mods. The exhaust header on the Navi is about the size of a soda straw, so installing the O2 bung will be a trick. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I read recently that hand washing by others is more damaging than a car wash with spinning 'brushes' etc. it was a genuine article/ piece of research. cheers
Fuel cell in the storage box (1.5 g to 2 g) & maybe a flat one to make a base for a rack to be attached to approx 6" High on the back (& there's an extra Gravity fed Gallon) & you have a 200 mile + Cannonball 2023 Ready Navi....... "The Flight of the NAVIgator" 😁
Good times! Great ride. Wish the mirrors were in camera frame. I was wondering about that Mercedes tailgater. Looking forward to seeing you dial in the Navi carb. Yet, think Honda should do it. Even if they put a new carb with the brass EPA b.s. plug in/on. The ranches and farms outside Austin are gorgeous. Wish you could have stopped to capture some close up pictures of the Bonnets, Indian Paintbrushes, and the purple wildflowers. Chicks love that stuff and I do too. QM thank you, again.
We don't eat McDonald's. We love to eat at a small maws and pops diner. They have the best food and supporting the local market except a big corporation. At 48:30 that whole stretch is really a beautiful ride. The whole video is awesome... I am still working very hard and saving up to get a PCX150.
So if your navi goes this slow and you want to carry your trailer to the start line of the cannonball, how much slower do you think you would go with the the trailer? Or can it carry the trailer you have? Maybe a stupid question
One thing i would like to see is pick one of your bikes every video,Spend a little time talking about it, Then take us on a ride, I would really enjoy those vids.
I don't think the flowers are seeded. I've been aware of Bluebonnets along the highways for as long as I can remember. I'm talking 7,8 years old remembering mom and dad driving in the 74 Plymouth to see the Bluebonnets.
my dad's pic.......I turn 50 in 2 mnths..... I ride a Wolf EX 150. It did 55 when I bought it. After cvt and final drive gear mods she does steady 60 to 65 , sometimes down hill and tail wind 70. I also put a stainless tail pipe (300 bills) custom cut and welded header. Now I can hear the motor runnin. When I first rode with it I was looking behind myself for a bike, it was mine. Scoots are the poop, no shame! I enjoyed the whole vid. Ride Safe Sir
When I park my Piaggio I back in because it heavy back it up and put parking brake on and lock tilting to stand up because no kickstand only center stand! QM 🍻
Just rebuilt the 36mikuni carb on the drz and will be installing it as well as the mrd shorty with - decibel attachment and gold pro taper contour cr high bars.
Love the video. Makes me even more excited to get a Navi once the weather thaws out in West Virginia. I have heard it rides better after about 500 miles. Have you noticed that any?
Yes, the engine loosened up after about 800-1000 miles and seems to run better after that. The fuel economy didn't improve much for much Navi, but I suspect the carburetor isn't adjusted properly from the factory, so it runs too rich all the time. Good luck with your upcoming Navi purchase. They are fun little run around scoots. 😉👍 --QM
I don’t think the Navi is meant for the cannonball, mileage and top speed is not great when not loaded down. When loaded for the cannonball it will be slower and less fuel efficient. The wind will also buffet the crud out of it when you are loaded down. The PCX is the bike for it, unless you pick up an ADV.
Amazing video! My navi iiis ordered and im anxiously waiting to go on all kinds of adventures. What is the app you are usiing?? With the speed and elevation and all that
Howdy, James, and thanks for the feedback! I use a third-party application called Telemetry Extractor ( goprotelemetryextractor.com/ ) to present the gauge data that's recorded by the GoPro camera and my Garmin Zumo GPS. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
If you are planning on touring on the Navi how do you plan on being able to keep up with the tires that you will need? Have you found a good brand yet that you can get enough for the entire trip.
If I decide to ride the Navi in the SCBR, then I will start with a fresh set (both front and rear) and carry 2 spare rear tires on the trip. Front tires rarely wear out or get punctures on these long road trips. Rear tires take the abuse from acceleration, braking, rider weight, and any luggage or other carry-ons. Rear tires are also 5x more likely to get a puncture because the front tire kicks up the sharp debris and the rear tire eats it. I haven't finished researching or testing any tires for the Navi yet, but that will be coming soon. I'm looking for something that has some knobby tread, but not too blocky so it still wears well on the highway. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Hey Quasi ! Still love your vids, I commented on one a while back about camp gear, and you made it a point to share more of that, thankyou! I mentioned I have an ADV150 and just got the nut brown Navi and love em both! I noticed on both of the machines in this vid you have the cruise control on them. I could probably dig but what kind are those for both machines ? I want em :) Thanks :)
Thanks for the feedback! I have the Go Cruise 7/8" throttle lock installed on most of my bikes and scoots: amzn.to/3Bh3N5h . They are inexpensive at only $20, and they are super simple to operate. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Congrats on your new Navi! The fuel bottle holder is an agricultural "tool tube" (manual canister). I purchased a few of those from Agri Supply a few years ago. Here are the links for the bottle holders: - Amazon: amzn.to/3VbRtcL - Agri Supply: www.agrisupply.com/manual-canister-lrg-new-style/p/67670A/ - Cycle Gear: www.cyclegear.com/accessories/dryspec-tool-tube-kit?sku_id=964439 The inner diameter of the tube should be 3.0-3.25" so the 30 oz (887 ml) fuel bottles fit inside perfectly. I use the MSR 30 oz (887mL) liquid fuel bottle: - Amazon: amzn.to/3IqdZM4 - Bass Pro Shops: www.basspro.com/shop/en/msr-fuel-bottle-for-camping-stoves - REI: www.rei.com/product/783963/msr-fuel-bottle-30-fl-oz?sku=7839630014 I mounted the tool tube on the side of the factory rack with heavy-duty black zip-ties. You can see a close-up of the mounting at 1:14 in the beginning of this video. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
No, my Navi is completely stock except for bolt-on accessories (e.g., windscreen, rear rack, etc). It settles into a "comfortable" cruising speed of 46-48 mph at ~70% throttle. Wide-open throttle yields 52-54 mph under ideal conditions, but the fuel economy takes a huge hit at those speeds. Wide-opne runs are counterproductive for longer cruising (more frequent fuel stops): ua-cam.com/video/eq6u9-E9vwc/v-deo.html However, I have recently installed a set of Dr.Pulley 12g sliders in the variator. That improved the acceleration and overall smoothness, but the top speed is unchanged compared to stock... still 52-54 mph depending on road conditions. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@doingitbigent If you have a modern 4-stroke engine, running at ~80% throttle indefinitely shouldn't be a problem. If you have a 2-stroke, then you need to be careful with extended full-throttle running, which can seize the piston from overheating or insufficient lubrication (usually on closed-throttle deceleration). Most modern 4-stroke engines have ignition cut-off circuits to prevent over-revving the engine. Water-cooled engines can withstand high-rpm abuse (and usually last longer) than air-cooled engines of the same displacement. Good luck, and ride safe! 😉👍 --QM
Oh, yeah... those were my daily go-to for several years. I love the sausage, egg & cheese biscuit, or the new breakfast burger, with a side of sausage gravy... dip and enjoy! I also prefer Whataburger's coffee over McD's or others... the aroma is better than other "cheap" fast-food coffee brands. 😋👍 --QM
Great video! I alway appreciate the overlays. I may have missed it, but what did you end up averaging fuel wise? Given most roads around me are 45mph, i’m curious what that would average. Most of what i’m hearing is well below Honda’s statements.
Howdy, Justin! I posted the fuel economy numbers in the video description and also near the end of the video at 1:40:30 : My round-trip distance was 310 miles over about 8.5 riding hours at WOT (wide-open throttle). My average speed was 48-50 MPH while traveling with 20 MPH headwinds on the way to Austin, and then fighting 20 MPH headwinds on the return trip. The Navi burned 4.75 gallons of fuel at a total cost of $17.75. Average fuel economy was 64.14 MPG, with a low of 58.11 and a high of 69.13 MPG during this torture test. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Good grief, thank you! That’s what I get for making it to 48:58 lol. I’ll finish the rest tomorrow. Thanks again for the info, certainly low MPG’s but still looks like a great ride.
@@Nitsuj47 No worries! I try to leave detailed chapter markers and details in the video description for people that don't want to sit through a full-length feature like that one! 🤣👍 --QM
The newer PCX160 has a 4V engine, but the current ADV150 in the USA still has the older 2V head. We are hoping that Honda brings the new ADV160 to the USA, which will have the newer engine and a bit more power. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Greetings from the USA, and congrats on your new Navi! That black plastic lever on my throttle is a Go Cruise throttle lock (cruise control): amzn.to/3P11KXD . It's a simple tension lock that rests against the front brake lever and holds the throttle in a certain position. To set it, you roll open the throttle to a desired position and then press down on the lever with your index finger. To cancel the cruise setting, you simply roll the throttle down against the resistance of the lever. It's a real sanity saver on long road trips. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard perfect explanation, I must have missed the video on it, I for one thought may it came with the Navi stock and I was doing it wrong good to know I just have to order something small! Thx From Canada
I know the Navi you've been riding has had fuel milage well below what Honda says it should the entire time you've had it. I also remember you at one point saying you needed to get the carburetor worked over. It's entirely possible I missed it, but did you ever do that? If not is that possibly still part of why the fuel milage is so low? It just seems like the discrepancy is enormous. Honda says 110, and you're getting as low as in the 50's. That sounds like there are major issues somewhere, or if not, Honda is just outright lying about the fuel economy.
I haven't worked on the carburetor yet. I did the first 600-mile service myself instead of taking it to a dealer, but I'll probably visit a dealer to see if Honda will cover the carburetor adjustment/verification under warranty. Otherwise, I will pull the carb and drill out the welch plug so I can adjust the A/F mixture screw and reset it to factory defaults (or at least verify the adjustments to be in-spec). I will probably re-jet the carburetor when I start modifying the bike sometime soon. I plan to change the intake and exhaust, so that will require a different mixture setting anyway. I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on my progress so they can decide whether to try the same mods on their Navi's. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Groovy! I’m really interested in seeing where this ends up going. I’ve been tossing around the idea of getting my M endorsement somewhere in the not too distant future and considering one of these little guys as a cheap first bike. I live on an island where the speed limit never gets over 45mph perfect for something in the 110-125cc range.
Question your Navi was giving approx between 45-50 mpg, but internet said it gives between 70-90 and the Honda page says it gives 110 mpg who can I trust, I’m thinking of buying one btw
Honda's claimed MPG figures for the NAVI aren't even close to real-world, which is a shame. Honda's claimed economy for other scooters and mini-motos are fairly accurate if not understated. For example, my PCX150 was only rated at 100 MPG, but it actually gets 115-125 around town. The NAVI's fuel economy really suffers at speeds above 40 mph, which covers commuting tasks just about anywhere in the USA. This trip was a torture test with the engine running near full throttle all the time. My NAVI seems to be less efficient than others, but the community average is about 70-80 MPG under real use cases. Good luck with your shopping, and I hope you find a good fit! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
A friend and I just rode two navis 500 miles last weekend on a roadtrip, full throttle full speed 80% of trip, both got 70-75 MPG every fill up consistently. His has 4,500 miles and mine started trip with 200, ended with 700.
Yes, I even considered the Navi for the 2023 Cannonball, but I didn't have time to work on the upgrades and creature comforts before that adventure. To make a successful cross-country trip, the Navi would need a larger fuel tank (or a LOT of auxiliary capacity in fuel cans), a variator upgrade to get slightly better top speed/economy at highway speeds, and a stronger rear rack to carry spares and camping gear. The two main drawbacks for the Navi will be its limited top speed (50-53 mph best case, probably 45-50 mph average on flat ground) and it's fuel range between refills. The Navi's 0.9-gallon fuel tank and the mediocre economy (~70 mpg highway) means it will require a lot of feeding. Another consideration is the high altitude portions of the trip crossing the Rocky Mountains. I would plan to take a second carburetor that is jetted for high altitudes so I could swap it relatively quickly instead of fiddling with jets and needle positions. I'm still tempted to take it on the 2025 Cannonball, but I'll be riding with a few other riders with faster scoots. I don't want to be the limiting factor in the group, so I'll probably ride my PCX150 or maybe the Super Cub in '25. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I enjoyed watching your 2023 cannonball I recently well within the last five years started riding again I’m 71 I started on the Suzuki 250 and now I have a Suzuki boulevard 800. I especially like your electronics that you have in your camera systems that you haveI would be interested in sometime maybe meeting with you and discussing how I might be able to set up my calm system white ones the best and may be a Camera Mills
You got that right! You can see the summary of all of my fuel stops near the end of the video at 1:40:37 . The economy was abysmal for a little 110cc engine. 😒 --QM
That's the steering column lock. It prevents the handlebars from turning at all... locked toward the left side. Most motorcycles have that integrated into the ignition key. However, some scooters and larger cruisers (including my 2021 Honda Rebel 1100 DCT) have a separate keyed lock on the lower portion of the steering neck. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Howdy, Ron! I think the Navi could do the Scooter Cannonball, but it would be painful, brutal torture. The Navi's top speed is only 51-53 mph under ideal circumstances, so realistic average speeds across the USA would likely be in the 45 mph range. That makes the long highway stretches dangerous, and some of the inevitable stints on fast highways (or interstates) inadviseable. Mountain climbs will be very slow, and the altitude might wreak havoc with the carburetor. I have a spare carburetor that wold be jetted for high altitude; swapping the entire carb would be easier than pulling the jets on the side of the road. Even with those challenges, I wouldn't mind giving it a try. However, the two biggest problems that I anticipate with the Navi for long-distance touring are the following. First, the fuel capacity and economy is terrible... only 0.9 gallons at ~65 MPG at wide-open throttle means it needs refueled every 55-60 miles (reference at 1:39:55 of this video). Converting the lower storage box to a fuel cell would resolve the range issues, so that's my plan if/when I decide to take serious trips on the Navi. The second big challengewith the Navi is stability in crosswinds. The Navi has a 10" narrow rear tire that causes it to twitch and wobble A LOT in crosswinds. We had a hard time wrangling the PCX150's with 40 MPH crosswinds in the 2023 SCBR, and I'm certain that the Navi would have been off the road in several of those occasions. Upgrading to a larger rear tire might help the Navi's stability. I'm considering the 12" rear wheel upgrade (install the front 12" hoop onto the rear hub and use a wider, low-profile tire). Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Then I think I'll just run my PCX again. Thanks for the reply Looking forward to seeing you at the next scooter. Cannonball, run. Had a great time with you last time... Kintaro #144
The Navi can handle back roads and rural highways with moderate speed limits. However, it struggles to maintain 50-52 MPH most of the time... it's "happy speed" is around 45-47 MPH. You can alter that speed by upgrading the variator weights and the clutch assembly... maybe up to 55 MPH top speed. Higher gains would require engine modifications like intake, exhaust, and other tweaks to make more power. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
The rack is a joke, also it has only two mounting points. Most rack have 4. Love the Navi but there's a few things that will keep me away from buying one. What can make this little scooter better; a 125cc fuel injected engine, bigger fuel tank, led headlight and rear light, matching 12" rim size. I understand that the price would go up but it would be worth it. Right now it's just better than a 50cc scooter and it's a good thing it's less money than a Ruckus. I'm going to buy an other Grom this summer, seems to be the better Minimoto for the money right now
Yeah, I've touched on the rear rack issues a few times. The mounts aren't triangulated or reinforced, so it's very flimsy and bounces around a lot. The parcel shelf is barely the size of my gloved hand, so it's also useless. I'm planning to fabricate a beefier rack with a lower/rear support bar that ties back to the upper shock mount... that should allow it to carry 20 lbs without snapping like a toothpick. I think Honda should have at least paired the Navi's frame with a newer 110cc fuel-injected engine. Better yet... they could (should) have imported the Zoomer-X 110 scooter from Mexico which uses a newer air-cooled, fuel-injected engine which is also from the later model Activa scooter. The Zoomer looks like a butched-up Ruckus with inverted front forks. I'd buy one in a heartbeat! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard don't get me wrong I would love owning both, Grom and Navi but can't own multiple bikes right now. I think you're right, make your own rack. Probably can use an existing one as a base to build yours. Don't know why they went with a tiny fuel tank, all that room to spare
after getting the gas (cough) station part - 100% for your sanity do not use the navi for the cannonball - supposed to be a fun thing not a chore - theres slow and very slow and if the 125s meant 14 hour days then this you dont need - nice idea but pracitcal says no
Seems like tucking in doesn't do much of anything.I believe this scooter is more for a city ride at 30 miles per hour.Wind screen won't do nothing.Is it worth changing everything for 4 miles an hour extra?Not.
A windshield will gain you 1-2mph while tucking, probably not worth the cost but I like the look. My friend got same tuck gain on his navi with his windshield. We both ride country roads and state routes.
The guy on the front bike is dangerous. Fast pull out at intersections Stopping right in front. Follow me and then pulls right in front of the other guy! I see why your following way behind him.
No ABS but the brakes are linked-how bad are those brakes-it's the only thing that scares me about the Navi. Honda scooters are ugly, Navi looks better.
The Navi has drum brakes front and rear, so it's not performance oriented. You'll need to grab a handful of the front brake lever and mash the rear brake pedal to stop quickly. Otherwise, they are sufficient for normal riding scenarios. I don't like the feel of CBS systems on mechanical (drum) brakes because it alters the brake lever feel depending on which brake cable is activated first. I'll probably disable the linked brakes and install a normal rear brake lever on the left handlebar like other scooters. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@johndefalque5061 Exactly... the brakes aren't a deal breaker at all. They are on par with any other scooter or older motorcycle with drum brakes, so there's no surprise or disappointment in my mind. The front brake lever feels strange when the CBS alters the pull/feel, but that's just a preference thing and doesn't affect operation. 😉👍 --QM
The telemetry data for the HUD is recorded by my GoPro Hero11 camera (and my Garmin Zumo GPS when I'm riding with it). The gauge overlay is generated using a third-party program called Telemetry Overlay: goprotelemetryextractor.com/ I stitch everything together with Adobe Premiere Pro to create the final videos. Creating the overlays is a lot of extra work, but I think the end results are worth the effort. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
No... we (or at least I) never went even 60 mph because the Navi can't get there! We didn't travel on I-10, but I did a 20-ish mile stretch on Hwy-290 during this trip. Most of the journey was on rural highways and FM roads. Believe or don't believe, that's up to you... the GPS and map telemetry is there in the video! 🤣👍 --QM
QuasiMotard says you can skip around to different chapters because it's a long video. I am betting that alot of us just let it roll! I normally am a skipper 90% of the time but I find myself getting into the rides and just sit back and enjoy, like I was riding along.
Nah ! I'm never a skipper I just chill & enjoy the ride .... Better than the other crap on UA-cam by a Quasi-Mile. 👍🏼
Me too!! Just joy watching and riding along!
Car drivers: "Wow, 60 mpg!"
Cub/Trail riders: "Ugh, 60 mpg!"
Unscheduled and unscripted are always the best kind of adventures. Awesome.
Dude, I love Spring Creek Barbeque. I have only been to the one in Dallas area and haven't been for a few years now..... Food is to die for.
I have made the Houston to Austin run a thousand times on a motorcycle. I would have never tried it on a 100cc scooter. I love these videos. I used to ride 25 miles to high school on I10 to Wilcox,AZ on a 120cc trail bike. That was dangerous enough but, I was 15 and invulnerable.
recent follower ... love the variety of your content including rants ... 67 y.o. retired geek and disabled vet ... I live on the north side of Houston. 45 between 8 and 1960. Thanks to your content, I'm thinking about getting a moped/scooter/dct bike. I used to ride a Honda 50 and 150 around base while serving.
You’re telling me, you road the Navi from Houston to Austin?
I need more information!
I plan on doing this next weekend!
Yessir... I rode the Navi from Katy to Austin and back in one day. The total mileage was ~300 miles on mostly rural highways, but I did have one 20+ mile stretch on Hwy 290. You can use Google Maps or Waze for routing, but they don't always honor the "no highways" and "no toll roads" options. Several of my channel viewers have recommended the ScootRoute app on Android because it prefers bicycle routes.
Let me know if you have any specific questions about the trip, and I'll be happy to help! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
This right here is a Navi SCBR warm-up. Aside from the fuel and top speed issue the Navi looks fine for long journeys. Once you fix the little fuel issues this
Im calling this video the Scooter Golf Ball Run.
Haha, love the intro! ..."thrill mouse moto." ✌️😂💀 You guys looked cool as hell out there, I gotta get into the mini moto scene SOON! 👌💯🐭
Thrill .... If you win the red one .... Cannonball 2023 for you 😁👍
Love that QM “navi speed” put a warm smile on my face. 💙
I absolutely love the long rides. I normally log about 120-150 miles each time I go out. I don't hardly even ride my Grom anymore.
I like that fuel cell idea. First time I've heard of anyone thinking of that modification. Not sure how that'd effect top speeds, but I'd love to see you give that idea a shot. That tiny .9 stock tank could definitely use an upgrade
It is interesting that they didn't just go straight to 4 litres instead of stopping at 3.5 liters. Or mayb they just didn't care about it and only worried about aesthetics.
For the $ of the ADV, there’s a lot of cool used bikes you can score. I picked up a Navi last year with 200mi. for MSRP without the dealer fees. Love it! Had fun watching your trip!
Gotta watch those factory racks. Guy on the ADV150 page snapped his off.
Quasi have you made any upgrades engine wise to the navi !? Like carburetor or exhaust? I'm thinking of doing some to my navi. 😊
Not yet... my Navi is bone stock so far. I do have a spare OEM carburetor sitting in a box that might go on my Navi if I can ever find time to restart that project.
I planned to install a wideband O2 sensor in the exhaust to monitor the air/fuel ratio before I started any tuning or mods. The exhaust header on the Navi is about the size of a soda straw, so installing the O2 bung will be a trick. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Great, thank you
I read recently that hand washing by others is more damaging than a car wash with spinning 'brushes' etc. it was a genuine article/ piece of research. cheers
Fuel cell in the storage box (1.5 g to 2 g) & maybe a flat one to make a base for a rack to be attached to approx 6" High on the back (& there's an extra Gravity fed Gallon) & you have a 200 mile + Cannonball 2023 Ready Navi....... "The Flight of the NAVIgator" 😁
Good times! Great ride. Wish the mirrors were in camera frame. I was wondering about that Mercedes tailgater. Looking forward to seeing you dial in the Navi carb. Yet, think Honda should do it. Even if they put a new carb with the brass EPA b.s. plug in/on. The ranches and farms outside Austin are gorgeous. Wish you could have stopped to capture some close up pictures of the Bonnets, Indian Paintbrushes, and the purple wildflowers. Chicks love that stuff and I do too. QM thank you, again.
Thanks for the videos. The routes you use look well worth a visit. Keep it on the black stuff.!!!
We don't eat McDonald's. We love to eat at a small maws and pops diner. They have the best food and supporting the local market except a big corporation. At 48:30 that whole stretch is really a beautiful ride. The whole video is awesome... I am still working very hard and saving up to get a PCX150.
So if your navi goes this slow and you want to carry your trailer to the start line of the cannonball, how much slower do you think you would go with the the trailer? Or can it carry the trailer you have? Maybe a stupid question
good morning i do the horn blinker thing on my bikes also so hes not alone. i found sonic makes the best breakfast burrito around here. and big
Great video. I really enjoy motorcycle camping videos
One thing i would like to see is pick one of your bikes every video,Spend a little time talking about it, Then take us on a ride, I would really enjoy those vids.
I don't think the flowers are seeded. I've been aware of Bluebonnets along the highways for as long as I can remember. I'm talking 7,8 years old remembering mom and dad driving in the 74 Plymouth to see the Bluebonnets.
my dad's pic.......I turn 50 in 2 mnths..... I ride a Wolf EX 150. It did 55 when I bought it. After cvt and final drive gear mods she does steady 60 to 65 , sometimes down hill and tail wind 70. I also put a stainless tail pipe (300 bills) custom cut and welded header. Now I can hear the motor runnin. When I first rode with it I was looking behind myself for a bike, it was mine. Scoots are the poop, no shame! I enjoyed the whole vid. Ride Safe Sir
4000+ on it
When I park my Piaggio I back in because it heavy back it up and put parking brake on and lock tilting to stand up because no kickstand only center stand! QM 🍻
Thanks again for the great video! QM 🍻
Your screen setup makes it look like your in a GTA game i like it
Just rebuilt the 36mikuni carb on the drz and will be installing it as well as the mrd shorty with - decibel attachment and gold pro taper contour cr high bars.
Don't forget that I gave you a set of those pindicators, I'm sure they are in your garage somewhere.
I would mount two "RX-2G Gasoline Packs" Maybe 25 lbs of extra weight. You would be the: Ship of the Desert.
Love the video. Makes me even more excited to get a Navi once the weather thaws out in West Virginia. I have heard it rides better after about 500 miles. Have you noticed that any?
Yes, the engine loosened up after about 800-1000 miles and seems to run better after that. The fuel economy didn't improve much for much Navi, but I suspect the carburetor isn't adjusted properly from the factory, so it runs too rich all the time.
Good luck with your upcoming Navi purchase. They are fun little run around scoots. 😉👍 --QM
I don’t think the Navi is meant for the cannonball, mileage and top speed is not great when not loaded down. When loaded for the cannonball it will be slower and less fuel efficient. The wind will also buffet the crud out of it when you are loaded down. The PCX is the bike for it, unless you pick up an ADV.
Amazing video! My navi iiis ordered and im anxiously waiting to go on all kinds of adventures. What is the app you are usiing?? With the speed and elevation and all that
Howdy, James, and thanks for the feedback! I use a third-party application called Telemetry Extractor ( goprotelemetryextractor.com/ ) to present the gauge data that's recorded by the GoPro camera and my Garmin Zumo GPS. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
On my Navi I also feel a vibration at high speed. Thought it was rear tire or wheel Balance issue
If you are planning on touring on the Navi how do you plan on being able to keep up with the tires that you will need? Have you found a good brand yet that you can get enough for the entire trip.
If I decide to ride the Navi in the SCBR, then I will start with a fresh set (both front and rear) and carry 2 spare rear tires on the trip. Front tires rarely wear out or get punctures on these long road trips. Rear tires take the abuse from acceleration, braking, rider weight, and any luggage or other carry-ons. Rear tires are also 5x more likely to get a puncture because the front tire kicks up the sharp debris and the rear tire eats it.
I haven't finished researching or testing any tires for the Navi yet, but that will be coming soon. I'm looking for something that has some knobby tread, but not too blocky so it still wears well on the highway. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Hey Quasi ! Still love your vids, I commented on one a while back about camp gear, and you made it a point to share more of that, thankyou! I mentioned I have an ADV150 and just got the nut brown Navi and love em both! I noticed on both of the machines in this vid you have the cruise control on them. I could probably dig but what kind are those for both machines ? I want em :) Thanks :)
Thanks for the feedback! I have the Go Cruise 7/8" throttle lock installed on most of my bikes and scoots: amzn.to/3Bh3N5h . They are inexpensive at only $20, and they are super simple to operate. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I think I may have mentioned elsewhere that I get 60 Mpg on my mark 1 Vstrom 1000cc. See my video on it if anyone does not believe that. Kind regards.
Hey man do you have a link to the fuel bottle you use?
just bought my first navi (and bike) ever today! love the vids
Congrats on your new Navi! The fuel bottle holder is an agricultural "tool tube" (manual canister). I purchased a few of those from Agri Supply a few years ago. Here are the links for the bottle holders:
- Amazon: amzn.to/3VbRtcL
- Agri Supply: www.agrisupply.com/manual-canister-lrg-new-style/p/67670A/
- Cycle Gear: www.cyclegear.com/accessories/dryspec-tool-tube-kit?sku_id=964439
The inner diameter of the tube should be 3.0-3.25" so the 30 oz (887 ml) fuel bottles fit inside perfectly. I use the MSR 30 oz (887mL) liquid fuel bottle:
- Amazon: amzn.to/3IqdZM4
- Bass Pro Shops: www.basspro.com/shop/en/msr-fuel-bottle-for-camping-stoves
- REI: www.rei.com/product/783963/msr-fuel-bottle-30-fl-oz?sku=7839630014
I mounted the tool tube on the side of the factory rack with heavy-duty black zip-ties. You can see a close-up of the mounting at 1:14 in the beginning of this video. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard I appreciate it man thanks!!
Have you made any upgrades to make it faster? Just got one and wanted to see what mods I can do , and do you have videos on it?
No, my Navi is completely stock except for bolt-on accessories (e.g., windscreen, rear rack, etc). It settles into a "comfortable" cruising speed of 46-48 mph at ~70% throttle. Wide-open throttle yields 52-54 mph under ideal conditions, but the fuel economy takes a huge hit at those speeds. Wide-opne runs are counterproductive for longer cruising (more frequent fuel stops):
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However, I have recently installed a set of Dr.Pulley 12g sliders in the variator. That improved the acceleration and overall smoothness, but the top speed is unchanged compared to stock... still 52-54 mph depending on road conditions. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
That one road looked like you were on a horse racing track.
Is there a break in period for the navis? I get mine tomorrow and wasn’t sure how that works
(First bike)
My question New rider on long trip on a 50cc is half throttle. Consistent or left out it every few minutes?
@doingitbigent If you have a modern 4-stroke engine, running at ~80% throttle indefinitely shouldn't be a problem. If you have a 2-stroke, then you need to be careful with extended full-throttle running, which can seize the piston from overheating or insufficient lubrication (usually on closed-throttle deceleration).
Most modern 4-stroke engines have ignition cut-off circuits to prevent over-revving the engine. Water-cooled engines can withstand high-rpm abuse (and usually last longer) than air-cooled engines of the same displacement. Good luck, and ride safe! 😉👍 --QM
love to see Katy
Whataburger breakfast sandwiches are hard to beat!
Oh, yeah... those were my daily go-to for several years. I love the sausage, egg & cheese biscuit, or the new breakfast burger, with a side of sausage gravy... dip and enjoy! I also prefer Whataburger's coffee over McD's or others... the aroma is better than other "cheap" fast-food coffee brands. 😋👍 --QM
Great video! I alway appreciate the overlays. I may have missed it, but what did you end up averaging fuel wise? Given most roads around me are 45mph, i’m curious what that would average. Most of what i’m hearing is well below Honda’s statements.
Howdy, Justin! I posted the fuel economy numbers in the video description and also near the end of the video at 1:40:30 :
My round-trip distance was 310 miles over about 8.5 riding hours at WOT (wide-open throttle). My average speed was 48-50 MPH while traveling with 20 MPH headwinds on the way to Austin, and then fighting 20 MPH headwinds on the return trip. The Navi burned 4.75 gallons of fuel at a total cost of $17.75. Average fuel economy was 64.14 MPG, with a low of 58.11 and a high of 69.13 MPG during this torture test. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Good grief, thank you! That’s what I get for making it to 48:58 lol. I’ll finish the rest tomorrow. Thanks again for the info, certainly low MPG’s but still looks like a great ride.
@@Nitsuj47 No worries! I try to leave detailed chapter markers and details in the video description for people that don't want to sit through a full-length feature like that one! 🤣👍 --QM
Does the adv feel slower than the pcx? I read that the pcx has the 4v engine while the adv doesn’t
The newer PCX160 has a 4V engine, but the current ADV150 in the USA still has the older 2V head. We are hoping that Honda brings the new ADV160 to the USA, which will have the newer engine and a bit more power. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
New rider here, Canadian model Navi just wondering how are you letting go of the throttle and it holding position? Like “cruise control”
Greetings from the USA, and congrats on your new Navi! That black plastic lever on my throttle is a Go Cruise throttle lock (cruise control): amzn.to/3P11KXD . It's a simple tension lock that rests against the front brake lever and holds the throttle in a certain position.
To set it, you roll open the throttle to a desired position and then press down on the lever with your index finger. To cancel the cruise setting, you simply roll the throttle down against the resistance of the lever. It's a real sanity saver on long road trips. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard perfect explanation, I must have missed the video on it, I for one thought may it came with the Navi stock and I was doing it wrong good to know I just have to order something small! Thx From Canada
FULL TILT BOOGIE!!!!!!!!!!!
my navi can never reach 50mph. I don't know why. It's manufactory setup. After 45mph it shakes like a old man.
I know the Navi you've been riding has had fuel milage well below what Honda says it should the entire time you've had it. I also remember you at one point saying you needed to get the carburetor worked over. It's entirely possible I missed it, but did you ever do that? If not is that possibly still part of why the fuel milage is so low? It just seems like the discrepancy is enormous. Honda says 110, and you're getting as low as in the 50's. That sounds like there are major issues somewhere, or if not, Honda is just outright lying about the fuel economy.
I haven't worked on the carburetor yet. I did the first 600-mile service myself instead of taking it to a dealer, but I'll probably visit a dealer to see if Honda will cover the carburetor adjustment/verification under warranty. Otherwise, I will pull the carb and drill out the welch plug so I can adjust the A/F mixture screw and reset it to factory defaults (or at least verify the adjustments to be in-spec).
I will probably re-jet the carburetor when I start modifying the bike sometime soon. I plan to change the intake and exhaust, so that will require a different mixture setting anyway. I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on my progress so they can decide whether to try the same mods on their Navi's. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Groovy! I’m really interested in seeing where this ends up going. I’ve been tossing around the idea of getting my M endorsement somewhere in the not too distant future and considering one of these little guys as a cheap first bike. I live on an island where the speed limit never gets over 45mph perfect for something in the 110-125cc range.
Question your Navi was giving approx between 45-50 mpg, but internet said it gives between 70-90 and the Honda page says it gives 110 mpg who can I trust, I’m thinking of buying one btw
Honda's claimed MPG figures for the NAVI aren't even close to real-world, which is a shame. Honda's claimed economy for other scooters and mini-motos are fairly accurate if not understated. For example, my PCX150 was only rated at 100 MPG, but it actually gets 115-125 around town.
The NAVI's fuel economy really suffers at speeds above 40 mph, which covers commuting tasks just about anywhere in the USA. This trip was a torture test with the engine running near full throttle all the time. My NAVI seems to be less efficient than others, but the community average is about 70-80 MPG under real use cases.
Good luck with your shopping, and I hope you find a good fit! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
A friend and I just rode two navis 500 miles last weekend on a roadtrip, full throttle full speed 80% of trip, both got 70-75 MPG every fill up consistently. His has 4,500 miles and mine started trip with 200, ended with 700.
That damn horn!
Have you thought about taking the Navy on the scooter cannonball 2025?
Yes, I even considered the Navi for the 2023 Cannonball, but I didn't have time to work on the upgrades and creature comforts before that adventure. To make a successful cross-country trip, the Navi would need a larger fuel tank (or a LOT of auxiliary capacity in fuel cans), a variator upgrade to get slightly better top speed/economy at highway speeds, and a stronger rear rack to carry spares and camping gear.
The two main drawbacks for the Navi will be its limited top speed (50-53 mph best case, probably 45-50 mph average on flat ground) and it's fuel range between refills. The Navi's 0.9-gallon fuel tank and the mediocre economy (~70 mpg highway) means it will require a lot of feeding. Another consideration is the high altitude portions of the trip crossing the Rocky Mountains. I would plan to take a second carburetor that is jetted for high altitudes so I could swap it relatively quickly instead of fiddling with jets and needle positions.
I'm still tempted to take it on the 2025 Cannonball, but I'll be riding with a few other riders with faster scoots. I don't want to be the limiting factor in the group, so I'll probably ride my PCX150 or maybe the Super Cub in '25. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I enjoyed watching your 2023 cannonball I recently well within the last five years started riding again I’m 71 I started on the Suzuki 250 and now I have a Suzuki boulevard 800. I especially like your electronics that you have in your camera systems that you haveI would be interested in sometime maybe meeting with you and discussing how I might be able to set up my calm system white ones the best and may be a Camera Mills
I live just south of Fort Worth Texas so it’s not too terribly far from you
The navi will make the trip but you have to stop at about 10 gas station's.
You got that right! You can see the summary of all of my fuel stops near the end of the video at 1:40:37 . The economy was abysmal for a little 110cc engine. 😒 --QM
@1:04:55 What exactly is he locking? would love an explanation!
That's the steering column lock. It prevents the handlebars from turning at all... locked toward the left side. Most motorcycles have that integrated into the ignition key. However, some scooters and larger cruisers (including my 2021 Honda Rebel 1100 DCT) have a separate keyed lock on the lower portion of the steering neck. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Appreciate that and good to know!
How do you think the navi will do in the scooter cannonball run
Howdy, Ron! I think the Navi could do the Scooter Cannonball, but it would be painful, brutal torture. The Navi's top speed is only 51-53 mph under ideal circumstances, so realistic average speeds across the USA would likely be in the 45 mph range. That makes the long highway stretches dangerous, and some of the inevitable stints on fast highways (or interstates) inadviseable. Mountain climbs will be very slow, and the altitude might wreak havoc with the carburetor. I have a spare carburetor that wold be jetted for high altitude; swapping the entire carb would be easier than pulling the jets on the side of the road. Even with those challenges, I wouldn't mind giving it a try.
However, the two biggest problems that I anticipate with the Navi for long-distance touring are the following. First, the fuel capacity and economy is terrible... only 0.9 gallons at ~65 MPG at wide-open throttle means it needs refueled every 55-60 miles (reference at 1:39:55 of this video). Converting the lower storage box to a fuel cell would resolve the range issues, so that's my plan if/when I decide to take serious trips on the Navi.
The second big challengewith the Navi is stability in crosswinds. The Navi has a 10" narrow rear tire that causes it to twitch and wobble A LOT in crosswinds. We had a hard time wrangling the PCX150's with 40 MPH crosswinds in the 2023 SCBR, and I'm certain that the Navi would have been off the road in several of those occasions. Upgrading to a larger rear tire might help the Navi's stability. I'm considering the 12" rear wheel upgrade (install the front 12" hoop onto the rear hub and use a wider, low-profile tire). Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Then I think I'll just run my PCX again. Thanks for the reply Looking forward to seeing you at the next scooter. Cannonball, run. Had a great time with you last time... Kintaro #144
I’ve been wanting a Navi but scared to purchase one because I’m in San Marcos, 60+ highways each way. This inspires me!
The Navi can handle back roads and rural highways with moderate speed limits. However, it struggles to maintain 50-52 MPH most of the time... it's "happy speed" is around 45-47 MPH. You can alter that speed by upgrading the variator weights and the clutch assembly... maybe up to 55 MPH top speed. Higher gains would require engine modifications like intake, exhaust, and other tweaks to make more power. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Anyone done the cannonball on a navi yet?
Nobody has run a Navi yet. I was the first potential candidate, but the fuel logistics and top speed made me rethink it. 😉👍 --QM
The rack is a joke, also it has only two mounting points. Most rack have 4.
Love the Navi but there's a few things that will keep me away from buying one.
What can make this little scooter better; a 125cc fuel injected engine, bigger fuel tank, led headlight and rear light, matching 12" rim size.
I understand that the price would go up but it would be worth it. Right now it's just better than a 50cc scooter and it's a good thing it's less money than a Ruckus.
I'm going to buy an other Grom this summer, seems to be the better Minimoto for the money right now
Yeah, I've touched on the rear rack issues a few times. The mounts aren't triangulated or reinforced, so it's very flimsy and bounces around a lot. The parcel shelf is barely the size of my gloved hand, so it's also useless. I'm planning to fabricate a beefier rack with a lower/rear support bar that ties back to the upper shock mount... that should allow it to carry 20 lbs without snapping like a toothpick.
I think Honda should have at least paired the Navi's frame with a newer 110cc fuel-injected engine. Better yet... they could (should) have imported the Zoomer-X 110 scooter from Mexico which uses a newer air-cooled, fuel-injected engine which is also from the later model Activa scooter. The Zoomer looks like a butched-up Ruckus with inverted front forks. I'd buy one in a heartbeat! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard don't get me wrong I would love owning both, Grom and Navi but can't own multiple bikes right now.
I think you're right, make your own rack. Probably can use an existing one as a base to build yours.
Don't know why they went with a tiny fuel tank, all that room to spare
What’s the other guy on
I'm riding the yellow/green 2022 Honda Navi, and Kevin is riding the red 2021 Honda ADV150. 😉👍 --QM
after getting the gas (cough) station part - 100% for your sanity do not use the navi for the cannonball - supposed to be a fun thing not a chore - theres slow and very slow and if the 125s meant 14 hour days then this you dont need - nice idea but pracitcal says no
Seems like tucking in doesn't do much of anything.I believe this scooter is more for a city ride at 30 miles per hour.Wind screen won't do nothing.Is it worth changing everything for 4 miles an hour extra?Not.
A windshield will gain you 1-2mph while tucking, probably not worth the cost but I like the look. My friend got same tuck gain on his navi with his windshield. We both ride country roads and state routes.
The guy on the front bike is dangerous. Fast pull out at intersections Stopping right in front. Follow me and then pulls right in front of the other guy! I see why your following way behind him.
No ABS but the brakes are linked-how bad are those brakes-it's the only thing that scares me about the Navi. Honda scooters are ugly, Navi looks better.
The Navi has drum brakes front and rear, so it's not performance oriented. You'll need to grab a handful of the front brake lever and mash the rear brake pedal to stop quickly. Otherwise, they are sufficient for normal riding scenarios.
I don't like the feel of CBS systems on mechanical (drum) brakes because it alters the brake lever feel depending on which brake cable is activated first. I'll probably disable the linked brakes and install a normal rear brake lever on the left handlebar like other scooters. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Sounds like you don't think those brakes are a deal breaker-it is a good looking bike.
@@johndefalque5061 Exactly... the brakes aren't a deal breaker at all. They are on par with any other scooter or older motorcycle with drum brakes, so there's no surprise or disappointment in my mind. The front brake lever feels strange when the CBS alters the pull/feel, but that's just a preference thing and doesn't affect operation. 😉👍 --QM
What is the name of the app that allows you to see speed and location on the screen in real time???
Thank you
The telemetry data for the HUD is recorded by my GoPro Hero11 camera (and my Garmin Zumo GPS when I'm riding with it). The gauge overlay is generated using a third-party program called Telemetry Overlay: goprotelemetryextractor.com/
I stitch everything together with Adobe Premiere Pro to create the final videos. Creating the overlays is a lot of extra work, but I think the end results are worth the effort. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Ok, you are going 60 on I-10 and such on those. I dont believe you
No... we (or at least I) never went even 60 mph because the Navi can't get there! We didn't travel on I-10, but I did a 20-ish mile stretch on Hwy-290 during this trip. Most of the journey was on rural highways and FM roads.
Believe or don't believe, that's up to you... the GPS and map telemetry is there in the video! 🤣👍 --QM