The Bugout Buster: Hogue Magnacut Deka
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Hogue again beating out Benchmade, specially now with those ridiculously inflated prices. Thanks for the effort Pete, really appreciate the info😁👍
I know that this is why they are using the polymer handles but I wish there were options that did not only allow 20CV.
Butterfly tax is out of control. I quit supporting benchmade years ago for many reasons.
Knife companies have been fucking customers for an extremely long time.
I gotta say, the patent running out on the axis lock has got to be one of the best things to happen to the knife world in a long time. I've been using the Hogue/Ritter Mini RSK as my daily driver for a long while, and I'm in love. It looks like it's got a bit sturdier handle than this, and comes in 20CV instead of Magnacut
20cv/m390 should outperform Magnacut's edge retention if they're both heat treated for it. There is a lot of 20cv around at 58-60hrc etc. though that won't give the best edge retention performance.
"only 20cv"?
Magnacut is only 5/10 at abrasion resistance, while 20cv is 6.5/10. Source knifesteelnerd aka Larin Thomas aka the very creator of Magnacut. The strength of the steel is toughness (7/10 when 3V is 9,so, not bad, but still inferior to 14c28n for exemple) and being tough it could handle a more acute edge. Every degree of thinness is way more dramatic on cutting ability than whatever carbides in the steel. In that regard, magnacut can outperform 20cv yes, but you have to put the thin edge on it. Factory don't take the risk of thin edges because they don't want to see their blades come back...
(OR they are not geek enough, or dumb when they do it on s90v)
I think I’d prefer a mini RSK in magna-cut to a Deka. The deka is too uncomfortable,
@@nebulamask81 Well goddamn, it's better than I thought! The Mini RSK's blade is hardened to 61-62 HRC
@@nandayane After seeing that they did a sprint of the full sized RSK in magnacut I've been setting aside pennies hoping they would do it again with the minis.
0:28 absolutely heroic shot of walking with it in pocket lol
You've gotta hand it to Benchmade; they sure know how to sell the Hogue Deka.
Why else would they increase the price of the Bugout from (an already ridiculous) $180 to $200, without upgrading it at all, unless they're actively trying to get people to buy this instead?
It is expensive to stay in a first world/third world shithole location while still producing decent knives. Portland, Oregon used to make some of the best knives in the US. Between Benchmade, Gerber, Leatherman, Coast cutlery, Kershaw, and CRKT. All have gone down in quality, except for Benchmade. So, I guess, you get what you pay for?
You understand that the Hogue Deka also has an MSRP of $180+ (depending on the version). Don't compare MSRP to street prices... And yes, the Deka is still cheaper, but still worth mentioning.
@Beat E. Schaub Firstly, I was clearly comparing the grivory base models, not the more premium models (where the Bugout is still more expensive; the Blade HQ exclusive 20CV/G10 Bugout was over $40 more than the 20CV/G10 Deka). Secondly, I was comparing MSRP because it's consistent, unlike the retail "sale price."
@@kevinwaterson I can guarantee that 99% of people that care if their knife is US made don't care what state is made in. Spyderco isn't losing sales because they're in Colorado instead of Oregon, and I doubt Hogue loses sales for being in Nevada.
@@gpearce11 If we are comparing MSRP, then they are the same ($180). And yes, retail price varies a lot, especially internationally (here in Switzerland, Hogue is far more expensive and far less available, even the Sigg knives).
So, for the same MSRP, you get better blade material from Hogue (although there are questions about the heat treatment, but commonly Hogue does blades well). And you get better (but not great) fit and finish if you buy a Bugout (and smaller thumb studs).
These are both pretty good knives, not great as they both have their flaws. At the end of the day you choose what you like better. Purely as a knife, I would buy neither of them, I would rather buy the Mini RSK from Hogue, or the James Brand Carter (yeah yeah, I know, hipster knife). The reason why I own several Bugouts but will not keep the Deka is simple: After-market support and modding. To me, that is what makes the Bugout different. That does not matter to many, but to the Bugout fans, that is a key element. And that is why IMHO, the Deka is not really a competition to the Bugout, no matter how often it gets compared.
One of the very first plastics to be fiber reinforced was Nylon as well as Acetal. 1964. I worked in the Materials Lab at Ford Motor and did the testing to qualify vendors providing this material to the company. I gave my Hogue Deka to my son for testing. If anyone can do a good heavy work test of a knife it is my son. Full time fireman/medic. The heat treat on the Hogue is 60-61.
The Deka and hogue in general are really a much better value than Benchmade and the bugout specifically. I think if hogue would make a new line or variations of their current knives that ventures away from their tactical appearance it would open them up to a whole new market. Also I think a lot of people are still skeptical of Magnacut since there’s been some hiccups with heat treats and an incredible amount of hype but I think it’s proving to be a very remarkable steel not only in performance but also simply because it’s basically a highly stainless tool steel which up to now was unthinkable.
Honestly Pete, your videos really are a pleasure to watch mate. You, along with Advanced Knife Bro, and the DBK bois are just world's ahead of other reviewers.
I enjoyed the format of this one, whith the key points/impressions at the start and whatnot.
1:00 great The Castle reference. I wish every movie-watcher on Earth would see that gem!
The original goat OG aluminum scales for these have really getting praise to fix some of the issues you’ve mentioned. Great video!
I got some of the expanded aluminum scales from them and it feels like a dream now!
I wholeheartedly recommend the Original Goat Aluminum scales for this knife. It’s another $75 bucks or so, but make it a much better knife IMHO.
I second this, they completely change the knife for the better
I’ve ordered mine, just waiting for it to ship
I picked up RC Bladeworks micarta ones and they're also great for solving the scale issues, but those crosswave pattern aluminum ones from goat og are calling to me
the OG GOAT aluminum scales and that will fix the problems you have with the knife, specially the bending issue but also the lockbar on mine got a smootger action after i swaped the scales
Excellent video as usual Pete ! Your classic rope cutting combined with your notes on the less desirable features of this knife. Always appreciated !!
Got the 20CV one in the fancy swirly blue Black G10. Firm, smooth and excellent ergos. Best knife for ages! 😎
I have that one too. It is a great knife. The Gmascus is nice. Wish they made the Magnacut with the Gmascus. Either is a much better knife and value than the Bugout. The Bugout does have the plus of tons of aftermarket accessories. But I take the Deka over it every day.
I got that one, great knife!
I like your review style in the beginning! We can hope that magnacut will be the mainstream steel sooner than later. Thanks for sharing!
Been a good minute since I caught one of these blade reviews and I gotta say that your no bs style is very much appreciated. Been a sub for some years now. Most new reviewers, if, as a viewer you’ve been around a minute, are such obvious hacks and I have a feeling the community will catch up pretty soon and squeeze them poseurs the fuck out. Thanks for staying true and continuing to soldier on with a bit of integrity. Cheers from Hawaii!!!
I've had mine for almost a year, I did put aftermarket scales from Original Goat on it. So much nice. Been my main carry lately
I've been growing my knife collection for 20 years, and for most of that time, I've swapped out what I'm carrying every few days for novelty or what I'm planning to do that day. Since I got the Magnacut Deka, I've been using the same setup for about 7 months now. Deka in the pocket, Bradford Guardian 3.5 MagnaCut in a taco Kydex on my belt with straps. Honestly, though, the Deka gets used for most things.
Unintentionally tested Magnacut's toughness a month ago. I'd tried to cut through a painted steel staple (hidden in some new gloves) that I thought was a black ziptie. I bore down on it pretty hard. The Magnacut did flatten a bit, but it didn't chip, and I was able to bring it back with a 1000 grit stone and stropping. There's no evidence that anything happened to it. I've been very impressed with it!
Always love your content Pete.
I bought my dad one of these a few months ago when I bought myself a maxamet PM2.
The deka replaced his maxamet native 5 as his edc.
If someone can make a US made knife in Magnacut for $150 (as of today), then it basically got there already. My hat is off to Houge. Thank you for the review Pete.
Great video. Enjoyed the use of the FE3H soundtrack
Thanks for finally testing this knife I’ve sharpened mine once on my Worksharp and it only needs to be stropped once in awhile to get sharp again. I work in a dank cold storage freezer so the rust resistance is appreciated.
Impeccable sharpie work, Pete.
Love my work sharp and my hogue deca. I’m so glad the deca has a flat and parallel ares on the blade, which makes it easy to clamp to the knife. I have to build up the surface of the blade on my spyderco’s with tape to try and make the blade flat and parallel for the clamp.
You are a knife wizard, glad I found this channel.
Thank you for the review, and may I say your veggies are beautiful man.
Yo, that beat drop matching up to the start of the rope cutting was aweome. Never been more pumped for rope cutting. Also, try some Original Goat scales for it, makes it feel like a a super high end knife.
i swapped out my thumbstuds on mine with some extra bugout ones i had, made a big difference to me.
Wow! Great blade. I like that the locking mechanism allows you to leave the thumb studs out. That’s a great idea. I almost never like thumb studs because they can catch on the edge of my pocket (kind of like the Emmerson wave is designed to) and unexpectedly open the knife. Hating thumb studs is just one reason why I love Spyderco. Anyway, I think I’ll try removing the thumb studs on my Hogue/Ritter RSK MK1 and see how I like it.
Managed to grab one of these with the marble CF handles with the wharny blade from SMKW on sale for $150 USD on a whim. Glad to see the heat treat on these are good. Can’t wait for aftermarket thin studs to come out though because you’re 100% right about them being way too big.
Thanks Pete. Love your videos
Hey Pete you make my knife obsession seem somewhat sane by always keeping that practical somewhat cynical view on the state of this neche hobby we all love, I’m a master gardener and really beat my knives on the daily in some of the most beautiful gardens in America, don’t know how else to contact you but just spent an entire winter and unexpected freeze cutting back things with my work tuff camp nomad, just ordered an Amish John which are on dlt not work tuff sight for everyone else as of five minutes ago, would love to send you the nomad since I’ve got big John on the way, just never seen you delve into any work tuff choppers and seeing your taste and mine in blades coincide I think you’d love it…..get back If your interested thanks for getting back at the content it truly makes my day to laugh at your take on things…..:.much love from johns island South Carolina
Love my deka in magnacut. I scraped the plastic scales and threw on some Original Goat scales and made this knife my favorite
I was really looking forward to this video. Thanx.
Pete you still crush these reviews.
Thanks for another excellent review! Magnacut is truly impressive and I can't wait to try it out for myself. I'm waiting for the new Spyderco Native 5 Salt in PE to take the plunge, I'm sure it'll be what I'm hoping for in a corrosion resistant knife.
Dude you finally have one of my top 2-3 most favorite knives of all in my collection, same model, same color, steel, everything. Such an incredible knife. Got mine on sale for around $110 on holidays but goddamn I love this knife. In my head I was always thinking you should really check this one out and that you’d like it. This thing is always in my pocket along with some larger thicker beaters. The edge on this holds really fucking well like some much harder steel but then it strops back beautifully like some 5cr…. Magnacut is truly a unique steel.
Edit: after watching the video I must mention that hogue runs their magnacut labeled between 60-62 HRC. This means they are using a different treat and running it softer than the optimal 63hrc treat designed by Larrin and used by spyderco/big brown bear. I really do wish they would run it up to 63 but this is a more difficult treat to do on a production scale which is probably why the run it soft. It doesn’t gain much edge retention at 63 but it sharpens easier and strops easier as well
I seriously smacked the edge into the corner of a sidewalk while busting down boxes for my grandma outside her garage and the only damage to the edge is a tiny tiny rolled section that doesn’t even catch the paper after a 0.5 micron diamond strop. I swear the more times I strop this to maintain the edge the sharper it gets… and I’ve sat there carving oak for 30 mins with no discernible difference to the edge. I spray out my deka with a garden hose when the pivot and lock get dirty and it never had even a speck of rust. It’s extremely low maintenance. I just with original goat would ship my scales already it’s been about 3 weeks since my order and I haven’t gotten a reply on my emails
I have the scorpion variation of this knife, and the scales are really nice! Jared over on nerves knives has the original goat aluminum scales on a deka and he says it made a HUGE difference in the feeling and overall sturdiness and action.
I love my Deka for weekend edc. I use my 8 yr old 940 for work tasks. The Dekas Magnacut that I have seemed to get “sharper” the 2nd and 3rd time I sharpened it as well. Great video as always brother
Excuse me. I’m considering 940 or Deka magnacut. Which one do you recommend? Mostly I’m gonna do feather sticks. And I hope it helps me to cut a broken seatbelt and break a window to escape from a car accident as an EDC knife.
@@zitnbit sorry I just saw your comment. Personally I would recommend the 940. Its really a do it all knife. Solid construction with good steel. Would be better for fire sticking than the Deka IMO. I work construction and daily my 940. I carry my Deka on the weekends. I prefer the steel/ aluminum combo of the 940 for its durability
@@ItzF8aL Thank you so much! It really helps me to decide. Take care!
Can't wait to get one.
No reason to buy a Benchmade bugout when this is available
I fucking hate the bugout its a piece of shit and wayyyy over priced and this is coming from a benchmade fan i plan to get the meat crafter and 940 though
Benchmade is overpriced for what you get these days. I like Hogue and WE for the money.
Well done for the perseverance mate.
Check out the OG goat scales for this knife. They are supreme and made of aluminum so they bring up the weight to right around 3oz. And add the rigidity this thing misses. You could probably find aftermarket thumb studs that match the diameter of the hole in the blade. He also makes an extended version of the scales with an exaggerated lanyard hole and extended grip. These are the scales I ordered because I love big non-circular lanyard holes. They finally shipped out after almost 3 weeks I’m super duper stoked
I want to 2nd this comment. The aluminum OG scales are great. OG also started a titanium version now too for the deka.
Yeah, I got the OG Skny XL with a custom ceramic coating and it took a great knife into stellar territory. I was carrying a Benchmade Mini Freek before and I prefer my Deka over it now.
KME to the rescue! Your dogs look so proud of themselves for playing in the water. Very cute!!!
Great video Pete!! Thank you sir!!!
GET OUTTA MY HEAD! I was just lookin at getting one of these!
..I kid, I love the videos! Keep 'em coming!
.....I really was looking at getting one of these, so this video caught me off guard lol.
Loved the intro, like previews for a bad kungfu flick.
The pups are getting big !!
Can’t wait for the results of the “Make Magnacut rust” video. Thanks!
Also: Love the doggie outro. They’re getting big!
🙂
Oh it should rust! Spyderco announced last year that they'll use Magnacut instead of LC200N for their Salt serie, but they finally didn't and the new ones are still LC200N (Which is tougher btw)
I wore my guardian 3 in the leather holster while I did a whole body sprayed with mud kind of job and left it in the wet leather for a week. The laser etching had spots and there were tiny spots on the blade.
I bought the FRN handled knife to try out the Magnacut steel. The scales are slick and squishy. Fortunately there are aftermarket aluminum scales for the Deka. I swapped mine and the knife was transformed in how it feels when you grip it. The overall fit and finish isn't as nice as the Butterfly, but I got to customize my Deka so that makes up for it.
Just got the email confirming my OG aluminium scales have shipped!! Can’t wait
I have both, I like Bugout much more.
You can buy aluminum scales for it to make the handle stiffer and the knife feel more premium. I like it just fine with the frn scales, but eventually maybe. I love this knife. For magnacut...this is a steal. During Black Friday it went on sale for as low as 89$ (I should've bought a second one!).
I know that this is an old video, but it was new to me. Thanks as always 🎸🔪
Glad i bought my Bugout $110, 940-2 $170 , Discontinued Griptilian 551BK-1 $180 before prices went stupid. Oh and my spyderco para 3 for $130 g10 with s45vn. Love them.
I had two pocket clips break, getting caught on just a thread. Customer service was great as they mailed me replacements. I have the Warncliffe blade and have been thinking of buying another with the clip blade I like it so much, but their Warncliffe style is different as it has the differential grind. It is not the most aesthetically pleasing knife, feels somewhat cheap, but it stays sharp. Magnacut Is a great knife steel, perhaps the most desirable characteristic for me is its rust resistance while maintaining its ability to retain an edge.
Good job, thank you sir!
After listening to rave reviews about this knife, I bought one with the wharncliffe blade. The blade is great. The polymer handle is anything but. It feels slippery and toy-like, *not* similar to the FRN handle on my Delica. I ordered aluminum replacement scales from Original GOAT, the extended version, 3mm longer, since I also found the stock handle did not fit my hand well. The scales arrived yesterday, but I have not installed them yet. They were $80, which pushes the price of this knife to over $200. Another thing I learned from the Hogue Deka (I do not own a Bugout) is that sometimes a knife can be *too* light. Now I know that I have a sweet spot for knife weight in the hand, and the Hogue Deka is not in it. As is, off the shelf, I would give the Deka three out of five stars.
Great review in 90 seconds 👍🏻
Cut that thing as a Short and it’s a winner
(I’ll still be here for 90 minutes of onion harvesting, Gilda and Allen, Epicurean stoicism, and Akubras of course)
I just got a Hogue Deka with a Magnacut Wharncliffe blade last week. The scales are definitely the big downside, thin and sort of flimsy. I'm going to keep the knife though, but get replacement scales, I hope in aluminum or another metal; the extra weight will be a plus, as the knife is very light. Great to have your review, thanks much!
Original Goat my man
Thank you!
Thanks so much for the review on the "Dekrr", lol.
Dang it! I should’ve not watched this review, now I’m shopping for one!
you should get the brace for the precision adjust, helps alot.
Great review.
The exclusive with the Fat Carbon Carbon Fiber scales is awesome.
I have one of the handful they made with carbon fiber scales and it has minimal flex. If you can find after market scales, I am sure things would improve substantially. Doesn't seem to be a design issue.
That maybe my next knife . Would like it a bit bigger . But I carry a bugout and it works and fits ok .
I love knives, loved them ever I was a little kid. 10 years ago I would not spend $100 on a pocket, now that limit is $300 and counting.
Original Goat has a number of aftermarket aluminum scales for the Deka 2, and they're well worth the price. They take what is a great knife to truly excellent - not only do they fix the cheap, flimsy feel, they also result in a better, smoother action and a better balance. With the scales, my Deka is now in my top 3 favorite knives.
I personally disagree about the able lock. I think it's a good amount of grippyness without destroying your thumb, but ymmv
Thanks Pete. FYI the music sounds a little loud relative to the spoken portions. Had to keep adjusting the volume when you switched (using earbuds).
I have the blue cpm20cv wharncliffe version. Perfect for me. And NO FLEX in the g10 scales.
I picked up the SMKW exclusive scorpion version of this (black with gold/black carbon fiber) when it was on sale before Xmas, and it’s fantastic. Interesting comparison between the worksharp and KME as well, thanks!
I was going to get one but the first one with CF scales were a little soft. The original run was 60-62 and now they are running them 62-64 where Magnacut should be. I had an original run and it was soft.
In my experience finishing on ceramic is notably worse than diamond or cbn. Result is likely not your fault or the products but just a different result due to a different approach. Love the films man!
They do sell new scales for that thing. Between 60 and a 150 bucks.
Plus I would not chop any wood with it, you will break the tip. 😎
Nice tomato 🍅 slices though. 👍🏼
Thanks!
Another reason for the lowe edge retention on the first test could be a somewhat over heated factory edge, which you only partially removed on the first sharpening. Then got all the way past burnt steel on the second sharpening. Just an idea. Could also be the ceramic you finished the edge with, or the lack of stropping. So many variables.
My thought exactly. It is in a sense next-to-impossibe not to overheat the edge in the production up to a certain degree, the question is only how much.
I appreciate your comments about the comfort/ergonomics - I actually wish you would comment on those more. You actually use knives to cut serious things - so your thoughts on how they feel would be appreciated. You made a quick comment about the compression lock beating you up - and I had a similar experience with the Para2 LW - when I had to do 2 min worth of wood shaping - I almost got a bister. Now, I love the compression lock - and found that the Sage 5 LW has full liners - and I don't have as much issue.
Scored big and got the knifecenter exclusive large Sebenza 31 in magnacut
The design reminds me of the discontinued Benchmade Striker line; which was also designed by AE.
I love mine but also imagine that if they were to have gone with a carbon fiber handle scale option then it'd be substantially stronger and not a whole lot heavier!
Love it
Thanks
Great info
Would jump on this steel in a Fallkniven PXL folder, a Spyderco, or in even a Leatherman!...I DID buy the Hogue Deka, and it's a great EDC knife. Easy to live with for sure.
Elishewitz?? Awesome! He does great work , designs blades popular w military. Def gonna get this Hogue before they sell out or change the design it looks great. Resembles griptilian or mini grip but the flex handles of bugout. I carried mini griptilian for years and borrowed a friends full griptilian one day at work in the warehouse. His was buttery smooth too but had a broken tip. Such is the life of a hard working man and his blade, but it was still so good he didn't replace it lol. I carried mini grips too for years, and yes they had a thick sturdy handle but the blade design was inferior to the 535 bugout model. I replaced my mini grip with a bugout and it is quite a bit BETTER in all regards. (i lost the mini grip, otherwise id still heft it about perhaps, although the 535gry1 bugout would definitely still be the main EDC folder. Per 'flex handles' I don't care my bugout takes any task I throw at for an EDC folder. Not ONCE has the handle presented an issue. It is a PERFECT smooth operating and capable knife design. Fixed blades are for harder work anyway, and I've never seen or heard of a broken bugout. Will def try this Hogue! Thanks for good video.
Wait it's 130 dollars? Might as well buy a Benchmade LOL. Gross artificial inflation. Come on Hogue
It seems Hogue is overpriced so you might as well go with Benchmade.
I think there is marketing hype in new steels. Yes it is fascinating to read from their blogs like the knife steel nerd etc but come on be real, it's like reinventing the wheel or reinventing the oldest most basic tool of humanity and charging stupid prices.
I think this is a good and fair video review, new to this channel and you do really good videos!! Appreciate your information here dude.
A wise man once said "the best folding knife-lock man has ever invented will be free to make without trademark soon, and we will design "new steels" to justify charging high prices even for the companies that can freely build and sell axis locks." I think a website like knife steel nerds is really interesting and he is extremely proficient and sharp, and it is fun to read his thoughts and see great macro photography of the types of steel. I wish he would become a billionaire so he could just buy up mfgers and be willing to break even or take a loss to prove his point that he is The Man of Steel. I like it and I think steel is fascinating. Maybe production technology is a bit limited of course, and then there's where do we mine the ores for steel?
Pretty sure steel has not tremendously improved since Damascus Syria so many hundreds of years ago (thousands?), tho stainless and carbon varieties and things like CPM and good heat treat process are good to have ... The Axis lock however is a major major invention and there's good reason people don't use other inferior locks much once they can hold and know the trust in the axis style mechanism.
Coincidental timing this super steel marketing post-BM era? Idk could be. I like knives and yes did buy some Benchmade but I can't afford to collect more so I equally love my bucks, mora's, little antique pen knives, etc etc, even some cheap Chinese blades to see if they'll ever hold up to good ol Made in the USA but personally I find good luck and quality with Benchmade. From the old nimravus fixed and some old beater mini grips to the 162 bushcrafter that is just as good as any fieldcrafting knife made today. I heard some vague shitposting about BM the last year or two and honestly i dont follow the company because i cannot afford their knives currently really, but you would think SOME of the anti BM sentiment is purely from their high prices and inaccessibility to so many people who have grown up and become vocal now and spent their earnings on a more affordable blade or two when they grew up. BM IS without a doubt one of the greatest knife factories in North America. Too bad they're expensive because we do not live in high earn to expense ratio like previous decades, at least in the USA where cost of living and average income gap grows ever more.
ALSO the trend for a knife that never needs to be sharpened, is a symptom that the art and skill of sharpening is dwindling in modern times of convenience, and commercialization etc. Just like people don't darn their socks like our grandparents. I mean I LOVE bucks steel like the classic model 119 because you really don't feel bad USING a 50 dollar blade because it is SO easy to get RAZOR sharp edge quickly with minimal effort. And it performs VERY well for several very intense tasks where anyone could find time to hone it, tho you won't notice dulling until days of hard hard work that most men don't put their knives through regularly. I mean batoning firewood, excessive food and game prep, etc and you will NEVER think 'oh it's a crap dull blade' because it takes like 1 minutes to razor sharpen it after your hard weekend in the woods. To be honest I carry my Buck 119 into the woods more than my Benchmade 162 simply because if I LOSE the knife, one is cheaper to replace. Not saying people will lose knives, but i have lost more than one knife, and the factory leather sheath for the BM 162 is horrible in the way the snap closure comes free and you'll realize some meters or minutes down the way that your belt sheath is empty for some reason. Then hope you find a great knife stuck tip down in the mud , phew. They are both fantastic working knives, and yes the Buck has been field tested for many decades longer by outdoorsmen and hunters.
People that buy new super steels probably a) won't USE them as much as cheaper knives and b) probably because they don't want to spend the time to sharpen them.
I think there are knife nerds that would pawn their wife's wedding ring for a new blade, and yes there are design enthusiasts and people with disposable income for new designs, but the trend of affordable HIGH quality EDC tools should be something to strive for. I do NOT think most men should just settle for crappy china blades mfg when the EDC blade is often a life or death tool for humans and by 2023 yes we should have affordable quality for such simple tool.
The edge retention here seems plenty legit from a guy who installs floors and clearly put it through additional unnecessary cutting, and the sharpness later in the paper test is impressive! I think it is a good showcase for this steel. However I am feeling more and more as time goes on, I think knives should be affordable and not gimmicky (i dont own this blade but i feel 'new steels' and putting good old Benchmade designer on Team Hogue to splat his name on the blade, is a bit hoguey lol). I want to be clear I think the Axis style lock is NOT gimmicky it is the best I have come across and I'm very glad others are free to utilise it. 30-ish bucks less than the competitor listed here, is not to scoff about, but can decent makers not take a hint from a company like Mora and just make really badass LOW priced blades regardless of 'latest super steel' or designer's name stamped on it (Elishewitz is very good, but you know what i mean). Mora is wielded and used by more people, in more work situations, with fewer dollars spent or traded, than anything comparable when it comes to fine knives with a reputable forge and design. You can get a Mora fixed blade for 10-12 bucks! Don't tell me a folding locking design requires a TENFOLD price hike. Get real! We need to arm ourselves with a classic tool and make it more accessible to young or financially less sound people, because it is basic tool we have perfected for thousands of years without modern marketing. AND we need to RETAIN skill of how to sharpen the blades, because not everyone can afford the latest Worksharp contraption, or have a garage with bench grinders and whatnot, or know how to practice the old whetstone method. Sharpen with the best sharpening system you have, but don't pay exorbitant prices for a blade you think you 'won't need to sharpen.'
Yes i know some people collect knives and have quite a bit of money but we should be sharing GOOD DESIGN and fair prices especially amidst the artificial inflation and collapse of the global economy we are seeing. I hope your grandkids can go find a well made knife with their CBDCs down the road, if they are good citizens who probably wouldnt need a knife anyway. Lol yeah right.
A very compelling video, very well done. Salud to you from the USA
i think this page might be argumentative if anyone does read it, but i am not disparaging the channel here or Hogue, cause they both seem very excellent and why im compelled to share some passion and personal thoughts should be challenged or corrected if my writing is incorrect etc. Pretty sure im glad i found this excellent dude's channel and pretty sure this Hogue will by my first non-BM axis lock, despite some apparent flaws. Looks like a good knife to me , one i can handle just fine, and im sure they'll improve it over the months, years, and hopefully make em more affordable hahahah
if it is a dumb post ill edit or delete but think some points could be made?
3:01 jaw dropping.
I would like to see you do a test on a SAK - Pioneer vs a SAK with a Damast/ Damasteel blade. For some unknown reason they HRC Pioneer blades to 58 and the other knives to 57 and the Damast/Damasteel to 60. SAK's with Damast are pricey but with all of your Patreon money you can afford it. Damast Pioneer vs regular Pioneer test would be awesome and about a $300 difference in knives. CHEERS !!!
How bloody good is the Three Houses OST.
You might already know this but if you don’t, I have found that steels around S30v and up shouldn’t be touched with the ceramic stone on the Worksharp. I was wondering why my edges weren’t as good on the higher end steels and found out that the ceramic stone actually dulls super steels!
I stop at the 800 stone now and get crazy sharp edges. Using the 800 stone with water and Dawn dish detergent mixed in produces a mirrored, razor sharp edge.
But you have to buy the upgrade kit to get the 800 stone or buy the Hapstone 4” holder and Venev stones.
I feel like their factory edge may be a bit burnt and after a couple good sharpenings you get to the steel that’s got the true heat treat to it.
Yeah, Hogue lock are super stiff and too sharp for finger comfort. Also, bugouts come in m390 and s90v, with good handles and high prices. Magnacut excels at being thin, this blade would outperform a lot of steel with a 15° or a 14° edge... (did 15 on my m4 freek, no microbevel, that was too thin so it chipped, but magnacut is lower hrc and higher toughness, it should handle it graciously.)
I seem to recall someone mentioning that certain steels that are high in vanadium carbides don't hone as well on ceramics because the vanadium carbines are harder than the ceramic. Same with chromium oxide strops, the chromium oxide wears away the steel matrix but not the hard carbines. This causes the end steel matrix to be more susceptible to micro chips. Could be why ceramics don't work that well on high vanadium steels. Personally, S90V is a nightmare on the worksharp field sharpener hone, I much prefer to just go straight off the diamond, then to diamond compound strops.
I wish Hogue bought out a 3.75-4inch blade length version of this knife!!!!
Amen
Nice it’s great for the money, check out some new ti scales for it bc that will make it unbeatable I think in it’s class. Mine was terrible at first until I sharpened away what I assume was burnt edge but now seems pretty good it’s holding a fine edge still after a decent cardboard slicing session. I wonder what hrc is on these I’m sure it’s not the 64 I’d like it to be. I will say it’s pretty tough too, I hit it on steel by accident and barely got any damage I was surprised.
I love my magnacut Wharnie DEKA 2.
Nice vids. If you wanted a way to dispose of your cut rope, a beekeeper could use it for smoker fuel
It can also be there factory sharpening getting the edge a little too hot and the hardening being shit for half a mm at the edge.
Possibly some burnt steel there in that 1st edge. Try a faceoff video done from the seemingly best to worst: tsprof, kme, worksharp, lanksy. We can see the difference in performance maybe? Afraid of wasting nice magnacut? Use some D2 from your rat 2 or something similar. Cheers!
The corner of a sharpmaker rod will smooth out the sharp edges on the deka handle
You need to get one of the rope companies to sponsor you, if only by providing free rope for you to cut up. Also, have you tried selling the rope chaff to a pet shop for the wee critters?
Glad to see that Magnacut is holding up. I think one of these Dekas may be my next knife. If it were made with Titanium scales instead of the cheapo plastic, there wouldn't be any "may" about it. And if it were done in the same pattern as the SMKW Exclusive Deka, oooohhhh, I'd probably get two. One to carry, one just to have.