Magnacut Dekas we’re down to $100 US during last years Xmas sales, so if anyone is on the fence and can hold tight for a month and a half there could be some killer deals again
I have a magnacut Deka and its been great. I have a few benchmades from before their pricing went out of control and dont really see any reason to buy ANY benchmade knives until the pricing comes back down to earth. An s30v bugout is a $120 knife tops and $170 is absolutely insane. There are far too many great knives for the same or less $$.
After using and studying both like I was getting a doctorate in pocket knives.. the Deka wins for me in every metric. It’s a shame they aren’t more popular. Family run, insane quality, good prices and USA made. The Wharncliff Deka is probably my favorite commercially produced EDC regardless of price. I want a Lexan one.
Not only that, Hogue is pro 2A and don’t ever get involved in wider politics. Fair prices too, BM meanwhile has gone full on woke and their prices are insulting.
@@Errcyco this is unfortunately true. Crazy what’ll happen when a culture stops caring about anything but increasing their wealth. In this case business/work culture. I sincerely hope BM course corrects at some point soon.
@@Muscovy7 i think they will.. they are a solid company, just lost their way. Board will be forced to back off the insane prices as people stop buying them.
I like your term "Butterfly tax". No question that Benchmade prices are hard to justify. I've got a Deka and really like it, even more so after I put aluminum handle scales ($60 US) on it, which give it a really solid feel.
I have both and OG scaled my Deka. I can't ever imagining carrying my Bugout and honestly never have. Essentially my Bugout is one of the most absolutely useless objects in my house.
I think we should keep in mind that Benchmade’s m390 range (same as 20cv chemically, from a different company) is 58-61, where as the deka is ran at 62-64 hrc with maganacut. Benchmade’s Magnacut hrc range is 60-62, so in terms of performance Benchmade’s best case scenario is the worst case scenario on the Hogue.
@@Muscovy7 Above about 61Rc most steel's tendency is for the strength/toughness to fall off pretty fast. Bet they're doing it to mitigate blade breakage.
@@firstjohn3123 bs, M390 is less brittle than D2, a proper geometry provides enough toughness. Spyderco and Shirogorov literally has zero issues at 63.
@@Muscovy7 Good points, geometry is really important...but if we look at the toughness graphs, the toughness for all of those still fall off over 61Rc or thereabouts..wasn't knocking M390's toughness, but trying to explain why they MIGHT, as a company, go so soft. And I will agree, Benchmade's not bringing the most out of that steel by a long shot.
@@firstjohn3123 BM’s S90v is hit or miss too and had history of being too soft. Frankly I think Benchmade just has quality control problems and decides to run soft on average to avoid cracking during batch quenches. Also I wasn’t attacking you, I understand your point of view, I just see that tired excuse used far too often by companies that want to save money on steel in the cheapest way possible. Instead of having more people babying the batches making sure the quench is done right they decide to run softer. The common excuse is toughness but we all know it’s bs because if they cared they’d use a different steel. It’s especially egregious when a company charges premiums on their product too.
I like the Deka over the bugout🤷♂️ but it’s very close and I can see why other might like the bugout better it’s more of a preference than an obvious winner.
My Deka is awesome. My Bugout objectively sucks, especially for *$170*. It won't even drop shut. The Bugout was the first, and last Benchmade knife I'll ever buy.
@@hificat101 I own a number of Benchmades all with great action I know it’s a pain in the butt but I’d send your bugout back and have it fixed especially since u are carrying the Deka anyway which I like better but why not have another good blade in the drawer it would probably just cost u postage and some of your time I would think.
The increased price of the bugout and the generally underwhelming heat treat from benchmade makes this an easy choice. While I do prefer the handle shape of the bugout, it’s not nearly enough of a difference to outweigh everything else.
If you look at all the hardness tests and cut testing from others like outpost76 etc benchmade generally burn the edges but after a few sharpenings they do pretty good with s30v, cruwear and m4. Up until recently they did better than Spyderco s30v but Spyderco USA and Taiwan will see some at 61rc and Spyderco will max out at 60. Spyderco cruewear is from 61 to 64rc and benchmade cruwear 63 to 64. Benchmade m390 and 20cv is garbage though.
I no longer have love for anything benchmade for multiple reasons. Are they good knives? Yes. But id honestly rather use a mediocre knife than pay an exorbitant price to a 2a hating company.
The Deka feels more robust to me, and the bugout is more refined. I like both. I don’t remember the bugout being so expensive though. Benchmade pricing is out of hand
I go back and forth on my bugout. Sometimes I like how slicey it is, other times the super lightness makes me feel it's flimsy. You're right about the butterfly tax.
I appreciate your opinion. I however appreciate those omelets more! Why have I never thought to make them like that? Pete, you’re a genius and now I’m going to try this myself! As for the knives, I like Hogue as a company more. I like the more geometric blade design and thumb ramp of the deka more than the bugout but I 100% like the bugout’s neutral handle ergos. Overall I like the aesthetic and functionality of the deka more. I can understand how someone would prefer the bugout though, especially the superior handle. Unfooortunately due to recent decisions, BM is dead to me though. Hope that changes in the future.
Whenever I play the ol’ “if I had to whittle my folder collection down to 4-5 knives” game in my head, both of these always make the final cut so you can’t go wrong with either
But please, ask Mr Bricky who does the heat treatments the best in which ever steel that you have chosen. Because that is the one spot where we don't know what we have chosen. And it's a huge factor in the resulting product. For instance, I have heard that the (at least the earlier) knives of the Deka Magnacut were terrible. I tend to Spyderco unless I have heard solid positives about other company's (not specialty craftsmen shops) specific treat treatments of specific blade alloys. I trust Mr B.
This is an important consideration. Just as a point of comparison: early runs of Magnacut in the Deka were 60-61 HRC. They now target 62-64 and afaik independent tests confirm that range. But compare that to BM who runs their S30V at a target of 58-60 and m390 at 58-61. Hogues lowest end is BM's highest
Im in Perth and just got a Kershaw Iridium with a crossbar lock for AU$150, its excellent and half the price of a Benchmade and feels sturdier. Pete should try it out, its D2 but still a worthy competitor given the price
It's wild watching Benchmade decide to lean further into corporate greed while their reputation is in the gutter. When all the old-heads who only remember nostalgia are gone they will be the new Gerber. Which is funny because Gerber learned their lesson and have been making positive business moves to rebuild their reputation. I wonder if the big whigs and Benchmade know that Hogue has completely stolen their market, among people who know anything about knives.
I wonder if this is just blue Portland fever disease… Leatherman seems okay for now, we’ll have to setup a watch just to be sure they don’t get infected lol
I have both Deka in MC Bugout in S90V and like the the Benchmade bugout better because Benchmade has the better pocket clip and more options for the clip. But for some reason I always seem to have my old Spyderco Delica 4 saber grind with VG10 in my pocket like 90% of the time 🤷♂️.
Should take a peak at the Presidio 2 and mini Presidio 2 if you haven't already, easily one of BM's most slept on models at a generally more affordable price butterfly tax not withstanding. Probably just my bias though. I got and love both the Bugout and the Deka, but the Mini Presidio kicked them both out of my pocket for a couple months now.
I have a Bugout and a Deka V2 Clip Point, both of which are Knife Center exclusives, which means they both have G10 scales rather than reenforced nylon (that was important to me after feeling the OG handles on both). Bugout is in 20CV and Deka is in Magnacut. Believe it or not, the Bugout was the cheaper of the two, but I bought it during a holiday sale where they got rid of their remaining stock. For me, the Bugout eeks out hand comfort by a little bit. The Deka has this thumb ramp with the jimping, and I find it terminates too early. I got me some XL hands, and where my thumb naturally falls in the sabre grip, it's half on the jimped area, and half past it, which has a pointy bit since the spine drops down before the clip starts. The 20CV on the Bugout felt harder to me than any Asian 20CV/M390, and my Para 3. Gave me some trouble during the reprofile/sharpening with diamond stones, especially when deburring. I haven't hit the blade on anything that'd cause it troubles like concrete or copper staples yet, but I subconsciously think that its hardness might mean the blade could be "chippy" more so than others. With it being a light duty knife though, I doubt I'll run into issues and it's possible that's all in my head and not true. The Magnacut on the Deka seems to be alright. At the 15 degrees it's reprofiled to I find the edge starts to roll earlier than I expect it to, but a quick strop brings it back. I don't have that issue with my Malibu in Magnacut, but it's blade geometry is a little bit thicker... and it's a more expensive knife made in smaller batches and most likely differing heat treat protocols. Kinda like comparing Granny Smiths to Honeycrisps. They're both apples, but very different from each other.
Deka is the better deal on paper, but the bugout just feels better in my hand. Idk if it's the more neutral grip angle but the design just works. Don't know what's going on with BMs pricing though.
The problem with both company's they are both selling fairly expensive us made knive with plastic handels. We can include spyderco to that category too. Aluminum handles are inexpensive thou more expensive then plastic and more costly to machine. Kershaw makes plenty of american made knives and are less expensive then houge and benchmade. All with Aluminum handles. If u want a solid knfe without plastic kerahaw beats both .
I got the Bugout in S90V with CF, it's probably one of the most overpriced knives, but have to admit it's really a great knife the scales are very stiff, and I'm a biased Spyderco fanboy ! Had the 940-1 Osborne but not a fan of the whole blade shape etc Can't help but being scared of the Omega springs failing though, a Manix spring is probably more reliable...
Pete, do you think G10 scales vs the FRN/composite on the Deka for $30 more would tip the scales? (I promise no pun intended) I’m seriously thinking about getting a Deka to replace my Opinel as my EDC
Their both overpriced garbage plastic handels are cheap garbage and these 2 knives are plastic no matter what u call it g10 grivory all plastic . Dont waste ur money
Deka is EASILY a better value proposition. Run some fine sand paper over the edge of the handles to do that final finishing and it’s all you could ever need in EDC.
You need to purchase the Hogue gen 2 in (tan) CPM magnacut. With the the sheep foot wharncliffe blade. It’s rated higher 62-64 Yours is rated at a lower hardness. I’ve never purchased a bug out, and I don’t think I ever will. I’ve also put a XL back spacer on mine from original goat. I payed 156.00 for mine after tax and 20.00 for back spacer. I don’t know what that bugout cost but I’m pretty sure it’s more than 186.00 Call me practical and we’ll read before I buy and make a decision. Nice video. 😎
I've never had a problem with FRN scales until I felt the ones on the Deka. Truly awful. Glad there's aftermarket support and dealer exclusives in G10 now
While the bugout handle is slightly nicer in my opinion as far as shape, the Deka wins in every other category hands down and I think you missed a lot. The Deka not only has more blade shapes but has more handle materials to choose from. The g10 options and carbon fiber give even more choices to the mix. The Bugout is either FRN or expensive carbon fiber. I have multiple bug outs even the mini and the s90v CF one. But the Deka I most recently got out performs them all and is a way smoother operating knife. It is perfectly centered and drop shuts smoothly with 0 blade play.
For me... Deka by a hair, maybe. I have a m390 Bugout w/AWT archon scales and Magnacut Deka w/AWT archon scales. I carry and use them both equally... Occasionally rotating in maxamet PM3, m4 940. Can't go wrong with the deka or Bugout. However deka definitely wins on price point. I will say though I've had the bugout longer and the black finish is intact... Deka finish started wearing of the top side/edges of the blade pretty quickly after it entered my daily rotation.
Why do the Europeans like the Goober knives so much? I don’t understand their fascination with knives that have terrible scales. Swiss Army Knives, Bugouts, etc.
Why do I Never hear anyone talk about How SHARP the Thumb Studs & Cross Bar on the DEKA are? Am I the only one that Noticed this? Love Both Knives Equally though. 🔪👍😁👍🔧
Benchmade's warranty vs Hogue's makes all the difference. And not in a way that favors Benchmade. Sorry, but "touch those screws and the warranty is void" approach is complete bovine excrement.
Base model blue Bugout s30v and plastic $162. Deka in 20cv and g10 same price. You have choice where you spend your money. Benchmade hasn’t blown my mind other than price increases in a long while.
With the point of the handle thing. The name of the Benchmade is called "Bugout" right? For what reason? Tried using knives when your hands are cold or with gloves on out in the middle of the Australian wilderness? It's one of the reasons I like the Mora knives. Grippy handles. If money was no issue, I'd get both... because money isn't an issue right. Buy every product in the universe.
Asher knives makes basically a bugout clone in m390and g10 from a no name oem in China. I got a factory second in for like 50 bucks, regular is 115 but they're sold out, I can't figure out why it's a second though lol. I can't imagine paying 170 for a bugout. Benchmade had been having alot of sales recently and even then the prices are insulting.
Benchmade must have a terrible heat treat on that 20cv because Larrin Thomas himself says 20cv has better edge retention than Magnacut and he should know. I'm not doubting your test results and truly enjoy your channel, but I've had the exact opposite experience with the two steels. I have Dekkas in both steels and the 20cv to me holds its edge noticeably longer than the Magnacut. The Magnacut steel is much more user friendly than the 20cv. I don't particularly like plastic scales and like the G10 handle scale versions of the Dekkas are better than the Bugouts. The Dekkas are definitely the better value.
The Deka is 100% better than the Bugout. I paid $170 for a Bugout, and if Im being honest, I have $50 Chinese knives that are objectively better in every way than the Bugout. My Bugout wont even drop shut after extensive work and effort to make it drop shut.
I preordered a Deka in Magnacut and didn't like it at all until I swapped the slick plastic scales for grippier OriginalGoat aluminum scales & swapped the sharp thumb-studs for rounded ones that don't catch on my pocket and partial-deploy from time to time. Now I love it, but it ended up costing over $200us to get there.
I dislike the cheezy and slippery plastic scales on the Deka. Hogue can do better. I replaced mine immediately with nice textured OGoat aluminum scales. Other than that, it's a toss-up.
The Hogue Deka has an amazing blade but everything else about it just feels cheap. The scales have sharp edges, the lock and action take awhile to break in. Benchmade Bugout although being more expensive with a now inferior steel does have a better feel, action, clip, ease of use, and far better scales and scale options. If Benchmade came out with a mini or regular Bugout in Magnacut it would be no discussion which one is better.
I have three higher-end Bugout models and one Deka drop-point. I don’t have a desire to buy another Deka unless I can get the wharncliffe in Magnacut and G10. DLT had one on offer, but it had OD handles with an FDE blade. It was one of the ugliest combos I’ve seen, and I just couldn’t bring myself to snag one. Hogue has the other US manufactures handily beat on price, and I’m always interested to see what they’ve got going on.
@@Hungrybird474 that’s sad to hear, but I appreciate the heads-up. I haven’t had any issues with their 20CV (I also own an RSK Mk.1-G2), and was hoping that would carry over to the Magnacut.
@@Orochi_001 I feel you, honestly it’s the only reason I’ve held off on the Deka. It’s just a hassle. The v2 magnacut is too good a deal though… it’s tough lol.
Do either of those 2 knives have any blade play? My main gripe with my bugout is that I just can't get the action dialed in. Either it's flickable but has noticable play, or it has no play but can only be slow rolled open. I went through 3 omega springs so far trying to break it in to no avail. Even sent it in to benchmade and they somehow sent it back with even worse action.
I tried to give benchmade a third chance, and I given up. Bought the new tagged out, and never carry it. Theres just something that feels special when I got the deka in my pocket, in any blade shape
Appreciate the very objective view Pete. I bought a Bugout from a friend, put some brass Flytanium scales on it. He wants to buy it back from me for $100 USD what he sold it to me for. Crazy ain't it
I love my mini Bugout, have also regular Bugout, both in S30v from the times of somewhat more reasonable prices, like the looks of it much better than Deka. I see no reason to get Deka too, but had I been in the market for this kind of knife now, I would definitely go for Deka.
Glad to see this cooking channel got back in the kitchen. I don't use my Leatherman that much while cooking so have been a bit confused lately. Now I'm going to make an omelet, it's your fault.
It's hard being a knife nerd. On the one hand we like the idea of high edge retention. On the other hand we like sharpening. Where's the fun in a knife yoyu rarely need to touch up, let alone sharpen?
The gen 1 dekas were better then this and the new dekas cr20 is great steel magnacut idc for it also its not heat treated high enough by them and the new deka scales blow if u dont get at least g10 scales they flex
I happen to be carrying a Hogue Ritter Mini RSK today. I was a Bugout hater when they came out. I would only carry Spyderco. I carry Bugouts quite a bit, including the Work Sharp. It’s one of my favorites. I want a Magnacut Deka, but with G-10. Great comparison! Really made both look pretty good.
Magnacut Dekas we’re down to $100 US during last years Xmas sales, so if anyone is on the fence and can hold tight for a month and a half there could be some killer deals again
The Deka’s handle kind of sucks though
@nandayane I mean feels similar to the bugout. But I don't mind it. If I want I can buy aftermarket scales.
I have a magnacut Deka and its been great. I have a few benchmades from before their pricing went out of control and dont really see any reason to buy ANY benchmade knives until the pricing comes back down to earth. An s30v bugout is a $120 knife tops and $170 is absolutely insane. There are far too many great knives for the same or less $$.
3/4 benchmades I ever owned came with oem grit in the pivot and/or an uneven grind. oddly the cheapest of them was the only one that had no problems
$70-80 in 2015
@@adadadad8251 wild, adjusted for inflation that’s 100 dollars. In real terms BM jacked prices 70%, almost double.
Ya, I’m done with Benchmade. I think they’ve lost their minds. Deka all the way.
That 420HC steel is amazing. It's "noticibly soft" in a Leatherman and it's "EXCELLENT" in a Buck. -Uncle Randy 2023
I luke my magnacut deka a lot, no reason to buy a bugout or anything benchmade anymore
After using and studying both like I was getting a doctorate in pocket knives.. the Deka wins for me in every metric. It’s a shame they aren’t more popular. Family run, insane quality, good prices and USA made. The Wharncliff Deka is probably my favorite commercially produced EDC regardless of price. I want a Lexan one.
Not only that, Hogue is pro 2A and don’t ever get involved in wider politics. Fair prices too, BM meanwhile has gone full on woke and their prices are insulting.
@@Errcyco this is unfortunately true. Crazy what’ll happen when a culture stops caring about anything but increasing their wealth. In this case business/work culture. I sincerely hope BM course corrects at some point soon.
@@Muscovy7 i think they will.. they are a solid company, just lost their way. Board will be forced to back off the insane prices as people stop buying them.
I like your term "Butterfly tax". No question that Benchmade prices are hard to justify. I've got a Deka and really like it, even more so after I put aluminum handle scales ($60 US) on it, which give it a really solid feel.
I have both and OG scaled my Deka. I can't ever imagining carrying my Bugout and honestly never have. Essentially my Bugout is one of the most absolutely useless objects in my house.
Spyderco’s is just as expensive as Benchmade in most situations.
Where i live the Deka is slightly more expensive than the Bugout. Which unfortunately means they're both effing overpriced.
Everyone moaning about HRC on Hogue magnacut and it still outcuts the 20CV Benchmade.
I think we should keep in mind that Benchmade’s m390 range (same as 20cv chemically, from a different company) is 58-61, where as the deka is ran at 62-64 hrc with maganacut. Benchmade’s Magnacut hrc range is 60-62, so in terms of performance Benchmade’s best case scenario is the worst case scenario on the Hogue.
That is inexcusably soft, I kinda figured Benchmade was screwing up the heat treatment though.
@@Muscovy7 Above about 61Rc most steel's tendency is for the strength/toughness to fall off pretty fast. Bet they're doing it to mitigate blade breakage.
@@firstjohn3123 bs, M390 is less brittle than D2, a proper geometry provides enough toughness. Spyderco and Shirogorov literally has zero issues at 63.
@@Muscovy7 Good points, geometry is really important...but if we look at the toughness graphs, the toughness for all of those still fall off over 61Rc or thereabouts..wasn't knocking M390's toughness, but trying to explain why they MIGHT, as a company, go so soft. And I will agree, Benchmade's not bringing the most out of that steel by a long shot.
@@firstjohn3123 BM’s S90v is hit or miss too and had history of being too soft. Frankly I think Benchmade just has quality control problems and decides to run soft on average to avoid cracking during batch quenches. Also I wasn’t attacking you, I understand your point of view, I just see that tired excuse used far too often by companies that want to save money on steel in the cheapest way possible. Instead of having more people babying the batches making sure the quench is done right they decide to run softer. The common excuse is toughness but we all know it’s bs because if they cared they’d use a different steel. It’s especially egregious when a company charges premiums on their product too.
I like the Deka over the bugout🤷♂️ but it’s very close and I can see why other might like the bugout better it’s more of a preference than an obvious winner.
My Deka is awesome. My Bugout objectively sucks, especially for *$170*. It won't even drop shut. The Bugout was the first, and last Benchmade knife I'll ever buy.
@@hificat101 I own a number of Benchmades all with great action I know it’s a pain in the butt but I’d send your bugout back and have it fixed especially since u are carrying the Deka anyway which I like better but why not have another good blade in the drawer it would probably just cost u postage and some of your time I would think.
The increased price of the bugout and the generally underwhelming heat treat from benchmade makes this an easy choice.
While I do prefer the handle shape of the bugout, it’s not nearly enough of a difference to outweigh everything else.
If you look at all the hardness tests and cut testing from others like outpost76 etc benchmade generally burn the edges but after a few sharpenings they do pretty good with s30v, cruwear and m4. Up until recently they did better than Spyderco s30v but Spyderco USA and Taiwan will see some at 61rc and Spyderco will max out at 60. Spyderco cruewear is from 61 to 64rc and benchmade cruwear 63 to 64. Benchmade m390 and 20cv is garbage though.
benchmade bugout is garbage, so I'm going to have to say yes without even watching this video......
Hey Hogue! We need a Deka XL like right now! 3.5”or 3.75” blade. There is absolutely no way that wouldn’t sell. 😊
I'd buy one.
me too @@hificat101
Agreed
I'd happily buy one too
I no longer have love for anything benchmade for multiple reasons. Are they good knives? Yes. But id honestly rather use a mediocre knife than pay an exorbitant price to a 2a hating company.
The Deka feels more robust to me, and the bugout is more refined. I like both. I don’t remember the bugout being so expensive though. Benchmade pricing is out of hand
I go back and forth on my bugout. Sometimes I like how slicey it is, other times the super lightness makes me feel it's flimsy. You're right about the butterfly tax.
Well said
I appreciate your opinion. I however appreciate those omelets more! Why have I never thought to make them like that? Pete, you’re a genius and now I’m going to try this myself!
As for the knives, I like Hogue as a company more. I like the more geometric blade design and thumb ramp of the deka more than the bugout but I 100% like the bugout’s neutral handle ergos. Overall I like the aesthetic and functionality of the deka more. I can understand how someone would prefer the bugout though, especially the superior handle. Unfooortunately due to recent decisions, BM is dead to me though. Hope that changes in the future.
Hate to be that guy, but you should at least boil the chicken you give to the dog. Dogs get salmonella too.
Whenever I play the ol’ “if I had to whittle my folder collection down to 4-5 knives” game in my head, both of these always make the final cut so you can’t go wrong with either
I'm still going with the HUUSK!
But please, ask Mr Bricky who does the heat treatments the best in which ever steel that you have chosen. Because that is the one spot where we don't know what we have chosen. And it's a huge factor in the resulting product. For instance, I have heard that the (at least the earlier) knives of the Deka Magnacut were terrible. I tend to Spyderco unless I have heard solid positives about other company's (not specialty craftsmen shops) specific treat treatments of specific blade alloys. I trust Mr B.
This is an important consideration.
Just as a point of comparison: early runs of Magnacut in the Deka were 60-61 HRC. They now target 62-64 and afaik independent tests confirm that range. But compare that to BM who runs their S30V at a target of 58-60 and m390 at 58-61. Hogues lowest end is BM's highest
Simply the best knife channel. If only the Deka had a thumb hole instead of studs.
Holes are goals, studs are duds.
The Deka is better, but I'd get a Gerber Assert over a Bugout any day. Benchmade is a joke and Gerber is slowing rebuilding their reputation.
That’s one of the many reasons I LOVE Spyderco.
The griptillian with a hole and axis lock is a joy.
Take the stud off (then you have a hole)
Im in Perth and just got a Kershaw Iridium with a crossbar lock for AU$150, its excellent and half the price of a Benchmade and feels sturdier. Pete should try it out, its D2 but still a worthy competitor given the price
Haha, I bought a second hand Benchmade Bailout in M4 and put Rockscale titanium scales on it for half of what Benchmade is asking. $600 is just silly
It's wild watching Benchmade decide to lean further into corporate greed while their reputation is in the gutter. When all the old-heads who only remember nostalgia are gone they will be the new Gerber. Which is funny because Gerber learned their lesson and have been making positive business moves to rebuild their reputation. I wonder if the big whigs and Benchmade know that Hogue has completely stolen their market, among people who know anything about knives.
I wonder if this is just blue Portland fever disease… Leatherman seems okay for now, we’ll have to setup a watch just to be sure they don’t get infected lol
They deserve to be in the gutter. Anti-second amendment. Anti-gun. Even anti knife. It’s so bizarre.
I have both Deka in MC Bugout in S90V and like the the Benchmade bugout better because Benchmade has the better pocket clip and more options for the clip. But for some reason I always seem to have my old Spyderco Delica 4 saber grind with VG10 in my pocket like 90% of the time 🤷♂️.
Not sure what I prefer, the healthy cooking or the knife reviews. :)
Should take a peak at the Presidio 2 and mini Presidio 2 if you haven't already, easily one of BM's most slept on models at a generally more affordable price butterfly tax not withstanding. Probably just my bias though. I got and love both the Bugout and the Deka, but the Mini Presidio kicked them both out of my pocket for a couple months now.
Like the ability for multiple blade shapes for the deka.
I’m shocked there isn’t a tanto or Sheepsfoot Bugout. The Civvivi Elementum is a model.
Benchmade is dung
I agree with every word that came out of your mouth. Even if the Bugout had magnacut benchmade has been running them pretty soft.
I have a Bugout and a Deka V2 Clip Point, both of which are Knife Center exclusives, which means they both have G10 scales rather than reenforced nylon (that was important to me after feeling the OG handles on both). Bugout is in 20CV and Deka is in Magnacut. Believe it or not, the Bugout was the cheaper of the two, but I bought it during a holiday sale where they got rid of their remaining stock.
For me, the Bugout eeks out hand comfort by a little bit. The Deka has this thumb ramp with the jimping, and I find it terminates too early. I got me some XL hands, and where my thumb naturally falls in the sabre grip, it's half on the jimped area, and half past it, which has a pointy bit since the spine drops down before the clip starts.
The 20CV on the Bugout felt harder to me than any Asian 20CV/M390, and my Para 3. Gave me some trouble during the reprofile/sharpening with diamond stones, especially when deburring. I haven't hit the blade on anything that'd cause it troubles like concrete or copper staples yet, but I subconsciously think that its hardness might mean the blade could be "chippy" more so than others. With it being a light duty knife though, I doubt I'll run into issues and it's possible that's all in my head and not true.
The Magnacut on the Deka seems to be alright. At the 15 degrees it's reprofiled to I find the edge starts to roll earlier than I expect it to, but a quick strop brings it back. I don't have that issue with my Malibu in Magnacut, but it's blade geometry is a little bit thicker... and it's a more expensive knife made in smaller batches and most likely differing heat treat protocols. Kinda like comparing Granny Smiths to Honeycrisps. They're both apples, but very different from each other.
Deka is the better deal on paper, but the bugout just feels better in my hand. Idk if it's the more neutral grip angle but the design just works. Don't know what's going on with BMs pricing though.
The problem with both company's they are both selling fairly expensive us made knive with plastic handels. We can include spyderco to that category too. Aluminum handles are inexpensive thou more expensive then plastic and more costly to machine. Kershaw makes plenty of american made knives and are less expensive then houge and benchmade. All with Aluminum handles. If u want a solid knfe without plastic kerahaw beats both .
Which one has more reliable springs? I’m so tired of changing springs in my bugout.
I got the Bugout in S90V with CF, it's probably one of the most overpriced knives, but have to admit it's really a great knife the scales are very stiff, and I'm a biased Spyderco fanboy !
Had the 940-1 Osborne but not a fan of the whole blade shape etc
Can't help but being scared of the Omega springs failing though, a Manix spring is probably more reliable...
Pete, do you think G10 scales vs the FRN/composite on the Deka for $30 more would tip the scales? (I promise no pun intended) I’m seriously thinking about getting a Deka to replace my Opinel as my EDC
Their both overpriced garbage plastic handels are cheap garbage and these 2 knives are plastic no matter what u call it g10 grivory all plastic . Dont waste ur money
Deka is EASILY a better value proposition. Run some fine sand paper over the edge of the handles to do that final finishing and it’s all you could ever need in EDC.
You need to purchase the Hogue gen 2 in (tan) CPM magnacut.
With the the sheep foot wharncliffe blade.
It’s rated higher 62-64
Yours is rated at a lower hardness.
I’ve never purchased a bug out, and I don’t think I ever will.
I’ve also put a XL back spacer on mine from original goat.
I payed 156.00 for mine after tax and 20.00 for back spacer.
I don’t know what that bugout cost but I’m pretty sure it’s more than 186.00
Call me practical and we’ll read before I buy and make a decision.
Nice video. 😎
Hate the scales on the Deka so it is not even in my daily rotation. Everything on the Bugout works for me.
I've never had a problem with FRN scales until I felt the ones on the Deka. Truly awful. Glad there's aftermarket support and dealer exclusives in G10 now
In a word yes. Id carry Uncle Randy's toe nail clipping before a bugout.
It definitely is you don’t have to but it definitely helps it out a lot to get custom scales.
The opening action feels better with the Deka.
While the bugout handle is slightly nicer in my opinion as far as shape, the Deka wins in every other category hands down and I think you missed a lot. The Deka not only has more blade shapes but has more handle materials to choose from. The g10 options and carbon fiber give even more choices to the mix. The Bugout is either FRN or expensive carbon fiber. I have multiple bug outs even the mini and the s90v CF one. But the Deka I most recently got out performs them all and is a way smoother operating knife. It is perfectly centered and drop shuts smoothly with 0 blade play.
For me... Deka by a hair, maybe. I have a m390 Bugout w/AWT archon scales and Magnacut Deka w/AWT archon scales. I carry and use them both equally... Occasionally rotating in maxamet PM3, m4 940.
Can't go wrong with the deka or Bugout. However deka definitely wins on price point. I will say though I've had the bugout longer and the black finish is intact... Deka finish started wearing of the top side/edges of the blade pretty quickly after it entered my daily rotation.
I don't need either. I have a 940 with a full grind Gersh magnacut reblade and Delica 4 in K390. Oh ya...
I'll take my 20CV Benchmade G10 Bugout from BHQ over any Hogue Deka.
Why do the Europeans like the Goober knives so much? I don’t understand their fascination with knives that have terrible scales. Swiss Army Knives, Bugouts, etc.
Why do I Never hear anyone talk about How SHARP the Thumb Studs & Cross Bar on the DEKA are? Am I the only one that Noticed this? Love Both Knives Equally though. 🔪👍😁👍🔧
Benchmade's warranty vs Hogue's makes all the difference. And not in a way that favors Benchmade. Sorry, but "touch those screws and the warranty is void" approach is complete bovine excrement.
Base model blue Bugout s30v and plastic $162. Deka in 20cv and g10 same price. You have choice where you spend your money. Benchmade hasn’t blown my mind other than price increases in a long while.
With the point of the handle thing.
The name of the Benchmade is called "Bugout" right?
For what reason?
Tried using knives when your hands are cold or with gloves on out in the middle of the Australian wilderness?
It's one of the reasons I like the Mora knives. Grippy handles.
If money was no issue, I'd get both... because money isn't an issue right.
Buy every product in the universe.
Asher knives makes basically a bugout clone in m390and g10 from a no name oem in China. I got a factory second in for like 50 bucks, regular is 115 but they're sold out, I can't figure out why it's a second though lol. I can't imagine paying 170 for a bugout. Benchmade had been having alot of sales recently and even then the prices are insulting.
The spyder kills the butterfly, hands down...
Considering you can get a Deka in magancut for less than a standard Bugout and with better quality control no the Deka is clearly better.
Benchmade must have a terrible heat treat on that 20cv because Larrin Thomas himself says 20cv has better edge retention than Magnacut and he should know. I'm not doubting your test results and truly enjoy your channel, but I've had the exact opposite experience with the two steels. I have Dekkas in both steels and the 20cv to me holds its edge noticeably longer than the Magnacut. The Magnacut steel is much more user friendly than the 20cv. I don't particularly like plastic scales and like the G10 handle scale versions of the Dekkas are better than the Bugouts. The Dekkas are definitely the better value.
They are too busy with anti-gun rallies or knife restrictions to worry about heat treat or customer service.
The Deka is 100% better than the Bugout. I paid $170 for a Bugout, and if Im being honest, I have $50 Chinese knives that are objectively better in every way than the Bugout. My Bugout wont even drop shut after extensive work and effort to make it drop shut.
I preordered a Deka in Magnacut and didn't like it at all until I swapped the slick plastic scales for grippier OriginalGoat aluminum scales & swapped the sharp thumb-studs for rounded ones that don't catch on my pocket and partial-deploy from time to time. Now I love it, but it ended up costing over $200us to get there.
I dislike the cheezy and slippery plastic scales on the Deka. Hogue can do better. I replaced mine immediately with nice textured OGoat aluminum scales. Other than that, it's a toss-up.
I can't take Benchmade seriously anymore. Their pricing is out of control. Hogue offers similar or better products at a better price.
The Hogue Deka has an amazing blade but everything else about it just feels cheap. The scales have sharp edges, the lock and action take awhile to break in. Benchmade Bugout although being more expensive with a now inferior steel does have a better feel, action, clip, ease of use, and far better scales and scale options. If Benchmade came out with a mini or regular Bugout in Magnacut it would be no discussion which one is better.
Why choose? I have four different versions Bugout (No mini crap) and Deka.
I have three higher-end Bugout models and one Deka drop-point. I don’t have a desire to buy another Deka unless I can get the wharncliffe in Magnacut and G10. DLT had one on offer, but it had OD handles with an FDE blade. It was one of the ugliest combos I’ve seen, and I just couldn’t bring myself to snag one. Hogue has the other US manufactures handily beat on price, and I’m always interested to see what they’ve got going on.
Mine had soft steel , magnacut on a V2 . I yeeted it in a lake
@@Hungrybird474 that’s sad to hear, but I appreciate the heads-up. I haven’t had any issues with their 20CV (I also own an RSK Mk.1-G2), and was hoping that would carry over to the Magnacut.
You can get relatively reasonably priced after market scales for the Deka.
@@Muscovy7 that might be the route I have to take.
@@Orochi_001 I feel you, honestly it’s the only reason I’ve held off on the Deka. It’s just a hassle. The v2 magnacut is too good a deal though… it’s tough lol.
I have the 20Cv HOGUE DEKA 2. Its just better than a bugout. That is all.
this is way better than butter bread ... LOL water bread man.. we need a ginger bread man LOL LOL omg LOL
Do either of those 2 knives have any blade play? My main gripe with my bugout is that I just can't get the action dialed in. Either it's flickable but has noticable play, or it has no play but can only be slow rolled open. I went through 3 omega springs so far trying to break it in to no avail. Even sent it in to benchmade and they somehow sent it back with even worse action.
I like them both a lot. My favorite is the original blue grivory / S30V Bugout
…that I got for $119.00 MAP four and a half years ago.
How come you didn't mention how flimsy the bugout's handles are compared to the deka? My deka makes my bugout seem like a toy.
I tried to give benchmade a third chance, and I given up. Bought the new tagged out, and never carry it. Theres just something that feels special when I got the deka in my pocket, in any blade shape
Appreciate the very objective view Pete. I bought a Bugout from a friend, put some brass Flytanium scales on it. He wants to buy it back from me for $100 USD what he sold it to me for. Crazy ain't it
Deka with improved scales is no comparison when you factor price.
I love my mini Bugout, have also regular Bugout, both in S30v from the times of somewhat more reasonable prices, like the looks of it much better than Deka. I see no reason to get Deka too, but had I been in the market for this kind of knife now, I would definitely go for Deka.
Glad to see this cooking channel got back in the kitchen. I don't use my Leatherman that much while cooking so have been a bit confused lately. Now I'm going to make an omelet, it's your fault.
If you were cutting a block of cheese, you'd prefer the Benchmade bc of the cheese-colored handle.
It's hard being a knife nerd. On the one hand we like the idea of high edge retention. On the other hand we like sharpening. Where's the fun in a knife yoyu rarely need to touch up, let alone sharpen?
no whining about bugout's sticking back of the blade when closed?
Came here for the knives, leaving with that omelet recipe
In most ways Deka beats bugout to me, but those terrible terrible deka scales...
I've had both and I'd say the Deka is better. It certainly feels like better build quality.
Hogue deka is better simply by not being a Benchmade.
The gen 1 dekas were better then this and the new dekas cr20 is great steel magnacut idc for it also its not heat treated high enough by them and the new deka scales blow if u dont get at least g10 scales they flex
I think the Deka is a better knife in every way except one: the Bugout is better looking.
I would hate to see the Butterfly Tax on Magnacut!! 😂😂
You’re really trying to get me to play through 3 houses again, aren’t you?
This isn’t a knife video…it’s a secret Nintendo ad haha
Buy the Della and invest into aftermarket parts.
20% holy crap is better, what am i doing with my life lol
You need to be careful making videos near a medieval battlefield.
Slicing cheese is definitely one of the main priorities when considering a knife mate.
Serrations really shines at this
@@LosRiji 👍
If the bugout was in magnacut it would be $800.
I hear a lot of Benchmade lovers like to carry tip down.
Uhhh maybe, if i can get ahold of the m4 edition in flat dark earth EVER!
Haven’t even watched it yet. I’m just here to read the comments and taste the salty Benchmade tears.
I happen to be carrying a Hogue Ritter Mini RSK today. I was a Bugout hater when they came out. I would only carry Spyderco. I carry Bugouts quite a bit, including the Work Sharp. It’s one of my favorites. I want a Magnacut Deka, but with G-10. Great comparison! Really made both look pretty good.
they've come out with a G10 version of the Deka. It's in blue
I sold my bugout,but I'll never sell my deka
hey cost aside, if they were the same price, what would you prefer?
Deka💪🏼
Benchmade is nice, but too expensive
Where did you buy the knives from?
I bought a Deka, hated the plastic handle and sold it