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An OVERRATED Orion HCCA Amp?
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2015 Orion HCCA 5000.1D
This amp is rated to deliver 7180W at 1 ohm, 14.4VDC
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5:39 Subwoofer Test
7:20 What's Inside?
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Back in 1985 I had an Orion 280GX running 4 ohms into 4 10" subs. One of the first bumping car stereos in town where you could hear it coming from 2 blocks away. Those were the good old days.
yep i had that one and three other amps and WoW did it ever sound awesome!!
how much that cost ya back then 3,500?
You had very low standards for good old days I think hitting 150s with one subwoofer is way better than 4 10s 2 cm Xmax you have to literally Mount to the back of your seat to feel the bass. Tip the hat to DJ magic Mike. And we can't forget about techmaster PMD.
@@goatskindreams I bought a 2150SX back in 85 cost me a little over $700. The 280GXs were prolly around $400-500....
The 280gx was my first amp. Bought it from my brother. Didn’t push my Blue Thunder 10’s all that great so I sold it. Over the past several years I’ve bought a few to make up for selling it. They are cool amps for sure
Bet you never imagined you would see 300k subs. I remember when you had less than a 1000. You provide valuable info for all of us trying to buy amps.
Never! But I’ll keep riding this wave as long as I can 🙏
@@wal kawabunga 🤙🏻
300k is 300,000 did you mean 3k or 30k?
@@VisionSoundPDX yes, 3 hundred thousand SUBscribers!!
@@BabyCharlotteschannel oh I for some reason assumed you were talking about power handling on a sub.
Brother been riding with you ever since you unboxed the Smd dyno and love every minute. Love the content brother!!
These amps where so expensive back in the day way out of reach for many ppl thanks for the review big D would like to see more old 90s early 2000s amps if possible only cuz that's when I was most into audio thanks much love from Canada
Indeed! I remember just fantasizing about getting to see that triangular amp made by Oz Audio in person. It never happened. Company no longer exists. It was called the Oz Audio Delta 2400.
Happy Holidays Big D, thanks for another year of great entertaining content! 🙏
u knew i was off today and needing something good to watch!!!!!!
Got into Stereos late 90s early to mid 2000s. Onion was outa my impatient budget. Did have a JL 500.1. But thanks to these dyno vids I went with an Orion XTR 750.4 to run not just the front component sets with resister boxes but also the set in the rear passenger side figuring I at least get whats on the rating plus more. Birth sheet shows 205watts @2ohms. Very pleased. Now if only it wasn't -6°F out with the windchill making it feel like -30°F I'd be able to install it... hehe
Oklahoma is frozen. I got 3 subs to wire up. Not this weekend.
Yep, Soo freaking cold here in Missouri too and no way in hell am I going to be running 0ga and installing the 2nd battery in this latest old Grand Cherokee!! Think it's -3° rt now and still dropping fast with a NASTY wind chill!!
**And yeah, I got the xtr 2500.1 after watching Big D's Dyno test and it has been AWESOME!! Had it running.8 ohms for a while with a 12 and a 15 inch subs and it just keeps on ticking, HARD!
Just got my Deaf Bonce AAK 6K in. Sure wish you had a dyno of it! Love the vids, always be a fan.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Thanks for the upload.
Got my fix.
Awe man fantastic job big D I love orion amplifiers especially the hcca v1, v2 and splx series I personally have 2 of the 5ksplx version I'd love to see the difference in output that would be sick if you ever got your hands on the splx model thanks bud!!!!!
Happy Holidays Big D...
Still a beast of an amp!! It's crazy how we're getting close to 10 years since the first dyno on that amp. Seems like they're getting more powerful every year. Great video BigD!! 🏆🥇🥇🎖
I just watched Big D do a test on a 75 watt Rockford Fosgate amplifier from back in the day. When he hooked it up to the dyno it was putting out over 400 watts think about that.
@Mr. Robert that was probably one of his first videos. A Rockford Punch 150 vs a Phoenix Gold MS 275. That video got me back into car audio again after a long hiatus. Lol
@@iceman45ification1
I stumbled across it today for some reason he was doing three different Rockford fosgates but decided to test the 75 watt I believe that was the middle of the line that he had lined up I remember now it was the punch series he had the 45 the 75 and the 150. He was not comparing it to anything but it was an older video.
@Only Memories In The End! When Phoenix Gold amps hit the market, everyone had to step up their game. Don't think there was another amp that displayed their beauty and build quality like they did. Autoteks were great amps. I loved all ZED made amps but my personal favorite were ESX, Rôdek and US Acoustics.
Shows an Orion and people talking about fosgate wow😂
Wow not bad, but a little sad that it didnt do big numbers. Overall great video.
My orion 3000.1dsplx is still going strong for years now ever since you did a review on it
Yeah man that 3k SPLX is one of the craziest amps they ever made no doubt!
A little sad? Wow how much power do you need.
I love my Orion HCCA amplifiers! I had 2 of the 11000.1's, but now I only have one, but I also have the HCCA 4,000.4 and the HCCA 2,000.4. Some of the best amplifiers I have ever owned. I just bought the JP 10 to the 4th. I can't wait to put that in and see how it sounds.
Awesome 👏
Everybody is entitled to some errors even Orion. RF had some bs items as well. But in general Orion is good stuff.
Big D, we are looking forward to a Gomer Pyle “Shazam” in a future video. 😂 Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Great video sir really appreciate this video keep up the good work 👍 👍 🙏
Merry Christmas Happy New Year
Same to you brother!
I'm running an 15" orion xtr series 3 sub. Still performs great.
I'd say I'm surprised but I'm not. I've heard that Orions quality has been dipping down over the last few years. Another awesome video man!
Orion hasn't been high quality for literally decades.
Great Video!
Great video
Good result. Thanks
Always good Bro
I always loved Orion amps from back in the day!
Man! Love those Orion amps very beastly
Also one the best brands from the past 💪🤘🤘
Wish you a merry christmas time🎅🙋♂️
Used to be. Junk now
@@jamesstephenson2346 oldschool rocks🤘
Speaking of big amps...imagine that older RF T1000.1bd being that size for "only" 1000 watts. Saw one on sale at a newly discovered shop, they also have a 225 HCCA (later model) and some old Precision Power amps, a few old skool Punch amps...if only I could afford to get one and a headunit to bang in New Year!
👌😬👍
Oh for sure -- but it's Soo freaking cold 🥶 here you couldn't pay me to do any installs rt now!!
Hey Williston if you can get your hands on some supercaps again. Highly interested. Running the Maxwell 2.85v 3400 k4 series. Love em!! Most slept on an underrated ELECTRICAL upgrade hands down. Stabilizes voltage an can give your amp that true "peak" power because of how easily it can burst it's energy. You know. These guys may not know. But we know.. kicking it OLD SCHOOL!! but not with the beer can volt meter 🤣🤣 1 farad joke
Slapping Baby Dig D what up HCCA 5000.1Dv1 🔥 Bro
Love the Orion content. Do you have any info on what the different cards for the pop top amps do? A video on that would be great. Thanks for making these.
I have a manual that covers them. Send me an email WillistonAudio (at) gmail and I’ll send them to you
@@wal That’s awesome! Thank you!
Pop Top Series were programmable crossovers on small removable circuit boards. Originally designed for the installer to “program” the amps so that the end user has less controls to fiddle with and mess up. Unfortunately it proved to be more troublesome than it was worth, especially for the next owner of the amplifier. When I worked at ORION in the early 2000’s , I estimate 10% of all of my tech calls were about how to program the “pop top” X-Over series. In todays times, the best option is the bypass card if you can find them and use an outboard DSP or analog crossover.
@@eatsleepbassrepeat Thank you for the info. I don’t know what card is on mine. Once I get it sorted out I hope to use the amp for something.
Nice video, when’s the taramps md 3000.1 video coming?
Thanks for the suggestion
I have the Cobalt series amps. For something that is budget friendly they do very well.
Big D, I know you remember the 90's and best buy had the Orion hot set up, I had the t 600 on 2 JL 12w3 and it slammed. I would go to local shop's in the south jersey area and they were all impressed, until I told them what amp I was running on my subs, mind you I had the old 150 HD the one b4 they came with crossovers, on 4 6×9 and a pioneer gmh 200 on 2 5x7(6×8) and two tweeters, but they always hated on the orion. I would love to if it did the 150@4ohm 300x2@2ohm & 600watts bridged. I've been looking for one on ebay, but can't find one in working condition, but hay, people hated on Rockford's lighting audio ( I believe that was the name)
I was an Orion fan boy back in the 80s and 90s when I competed in IASCA and USAC. HCCA Orions are all I ran...12 Kicker Comp 12s on 3 HCCA 250s.
The history of the original Reds and the legendary power they were capable of made these amps the best at that time.
Then came the US Amps buyout of Orion. From that point on, Orion Reds haven't been able to live up to their legend.
Original HCCAs(produced by Orion as an independent company) were awesome. THD % couldn't be touched. The original "cheater" amps.
From the moment Orion sold-out to US Amps, with the company changing hands again and again since then, have been junk. Plain and simple.
The new ones are good. But yea I know what you are saying. The last ORION amp I ran was an XTR PRO 2400 that I removed from my Ford Exploder before I got rid of it a few months back. It's a great amp. I still have it but I won't be using it again. I'm putting together a system for my Toyota Tundra Crewmax at the moment and won't be needing that much power and I'm unwilling to lose the space housing that big of an amp and today there are better more officiant designs that won't tax the charging system like these old amps did. I'm giving these new Down4Sound amps a try. They look promising. Hopefully they pan out. This will be my first non ORION system that I have put together for myself since the early 90's.
US Amps bought Orion? I knew about DEI, but never heard US Amps had anything to do with Orion? 💁♂️
@@wal Not US Amps. DEI correct. Who owns ORION now a days? Do you know? They are certainly offering some very high wattage amplifiers. They need to start publishing the correct specs for their amps though. It doesn't really matter that the amps do a thousand watts over rated power or a thousand watts under rated power because in both cases they don't meet their published specs. They should be +/- 10% of the published specs.
Question for you. Have you ever put the XTR PRO 2400 on the dyno before and if not would you like to? I had this amp in my last ride, a 1996 Ford Exploder that I was driving from about 2002 till a few months ago when I got rid of it. It was pushing 3 12 " kicker Solobarics and they walloped pretty hard but I never really had the charging system in that car to really push that amp to it's fullest and wouldn't mind finding out what it's true capabilities are. So I could make it available to you for testing if you like. It's a great amplifier and it's still in great shape. Seeing how it has been in constant use for all of these years the electrolytic capacitors in the amp are still good. It's usually when they sit for long periods of time with no charge that they start to go bad.
Let me know if your interested and we can make arrangements to get the amp to you.
@Williston Audio Labs I may be mistaken and thinking of the DEI buyout when DEI acquired Orion, a/d/s, and PPI. My memory isn't what it used to be at my age. But, it was my understanding the US Amps purchased Orion and a/d/s in the early mid-90s which they kept for close to two years before selling Orion to DEI. Then DEI kept Orion until around 2003-2004(not sure of the exact date) when DEI decided to focus more on car audio/security accessories thus selling Orion to MD Audio out of South America(current owner of Orion) which has Zennon out of South Korea manufacturing the Orion amp line for them.
Either way, Orion stopped being the fabled legend it was when the company sold. The HCCA line lost it's "magic" as the "cheater" amp of choice for competition at that point. I do know Orion competition in the "cheater" amp market had got pretty intense prior to that with such products as the Phoenix Gold MPS and MS lines(MS275 was a beast!!), Hi-Fonics Ulysses rated at 25x2, several similar offerings from US Amps, the MTX MTA 225(PPI ProMos in a MTX case), the Kicker si line, and the venerable offerings from PPI like the ProMos 50. PPI really rose to legend status when Alma Gates and "THE Bronco" entered the scene. Needless to say, at that time, Orion HCCA Amps lost some of their mystery and alot of their dominance in the competition scene thus seeing sales drop and forcing the sale of the company.
I will always love my Reds. I'm old and they will always be the best in my eyes. Us old school guys will always love our legends of 80s and 90s car audio and we still prefer to use such equipment in our personal systems. Kids and young adults don't know of or aren't familiar with the unique and innovative equipment that built the foundation for the car audio scene today.
Me being old and today being a day alot of people remember better times when we were young, I started thinking of events and/or the introduction of new, innovative gear that really changed the comp scene at the time. The mid 80s that saw Orion HCCA 225 enter the scene to challenge the dominance of the Linear Power 452 and 952 had on the lower wattage classes. When the Cerwin Vega Stroker subwoofers hit the scene to challenge the likes of Savard, M&M Godfather, Kicker Comp, and the few others dominating competitions. The appearance of the Image Dynamics Grand National at competitions showing that SQ could usurp SPL as the crowd pleaser and head turner. When Mark Fukuda showed that an innovative use of a car alarm 10key remote, tiny electric motors, and alot of daisy-chained Audio Control gear could allow you to dominate SQ AND SPL. When a few guys from South Louisiana showed you could dominate SPL against systems with multiple 12s, 15s, or 18s with only 3 10s on a HCCA 225 in the rear of a Honda CRX using the CRX's unique shape as a giant resonating horn. When Pioneer introduced the IMPP woofer that broke many SPL records at the time. When Kicker introduced the Solobaric line of woofers that literally killed any competition. Phoenix Gold was introduced to the world showing that amplifiers could push multiple woofers of larger cone space at low ohm loads(half ohm or lower) making extreme amounts of wattage beyond their 4 ohm stereo rating doing it stabily and reliably for extended periods of time that not even the Orion HCCAs or similar could touch. Brantley Waites showing you could install a portable, pre-built system in a rental van in less than 24 hours to win dB Drag Racing competitions. Then when Alma Gates, PPI, and a 1990 Ford Bronco showed the world that Xmax meant nothing by becoming the loudest man-made object on Earth using FLAT PISTON PPI 10s when the Bronco broke the 180db barrier with a 181.7db surpassing the launching of the space shuttle for SPL.
These are some of the points in car audio history I was present for and that will always remain parts of the Golden Era" of car audio competitions in my eyes.
Thx for testing Orion amps I can't get enough. I'm still suspicious about the new 3k SPLX, I know you think it as good or better I remember but why not test it anyway plz??
Just wish they could get their act together and start getting merchandise out there consistently.
Remnants of da Rona goteem
The moment I saw the "Data" plugged mislabeled as Date, I knew this was not going to end up well.
We need to see PPI Poweclass dynos!
The PC1400 charcoal specifically.
Thanks for the suggestion!
@@wal i have a pc1400 could loan out for a dyno test if you are interested. I bought it second hand in the early 2000s and still use it in my daily to power 3 jl 10w3v1 subs i bought new. Love the channel!
Those PowerClass PPIs were amazing. I used to hoard almost 20 of them at any given moment, from the smaller 2 and 4 channels up to the bigger 2150, 2600, 4800, etc. The power may not all be there as far as the specs are concerned but damn if they didn't sound absolutely amazing 🤙
@kegs5020637 Yes! That's crazy. My experience with the 1400 was with 3 10w0s then 3 10w3s.
Magical combo. Loud with mad SQ.
My HCCA5000.1dv2 clamped over 8k rms in Orion video a few years ago. Best thing I've ever won
@boominS10
Is there a link to your Orion video. I am a big fan of Orion from way back in the Moon and Star days of Orion. I even have Bernie Boland, the Engineer and Designer of the HCCA Red work on my Orion comp amps back in the day.
I love that Big D uses the Massive sub. I have the Summo & that thing is unholy. With it getting all the power It thirsts for It just beats the shit out of my car.🤣
Me too. I like seeing it on here.
For the size of the surround it doesn't look to have much Xmech if Big D said it is almost bottoming out. Could have gained a small amount of cone area with a smaller surround if it doesn't need it, poor engineering in my opinion.
The variable phase control knob should be a big +++ in my humble opinion.
I'd love to see a vid on DB Drives A7 amps. can't find dynos anywhere just people claiming they do more than rated power.
Thanks for the suggestion. There are so many amps out there, I test what I can.
Yes ty big D. I have 1 and love it.
Wish they put out more product seems you can't find them anymore unless you want one of the Cobalt or Zstreet lines. Love my two XTR amps those were no joke.
I’ve always wonder why it seems no one who tests amps uses cmax for a battery. On my test bench I have a 145ah fat cell. A 6 amp, yes 6 amp, fully adjustable from 0-30 volts AC/DC power converter I keep it charged with. I just leave it at 16 volts all time. I have to draw over 1100 amps of current to drop 1/2 volt and I have $1725 into my charging system/battery. I had 240ah yinglong, same 16 volts and it was double the cost for half the power. Voltages tanked quick. Just curious why I never see cmax on test benches. See them in cars all the time. Great video big D👍🏼
you said your answer $1725....buy a used RV batt. harbor frieght charger...done....$100....lithium is wayyyyyy overrated by tesla dogshit cars that cause human cancer
@@lunam7249 you obviously know nothing about lithium. What do think yinlong caps are? Lithium. You also obviously know nothing about car audio. Do you have any idea what the C rating is on a car or marine battery? Terrible. You’d need 25 of them or more to equal a 145 ah cmax, and they won’t charge to nearly as high of a voltage. Unless it is for starting a car, nobody uses regular car batteries anymore. The 2 marine batteries on my boat are lithium😂you must be terrified of cell phones. Lithium battery.
@@Van1018s as i said....my way $100. done...RV batts can dump around 1000 amperes naked .....here on planet earth people got babies, babies need diapers.....people budget....do you even know what $1750 is to normal people!!!? they need diapers not a wall of elon musky smelly batteries......if you like rubbing a litium stick or ding dongs , thats completely up to you. and yes.....even your pet dog know they have alot of "power"
@@lunam7249 ur crazy man. And know nothing about car audio. I’ve been going to world finals since 1997. Maybe I’ll listen to the genius and go back to worse batteries that I was using in 1997. 😂😂😇
I still have an Orion HCCA 2500.1 with original box and certified power sheet one days she's gonna come off the shelf
regardless, that is alot of power.......but disappointed whenever an amp doesnt meet its ratings, as that just shows they are either dishonest, or lazy in not testing a batch to see......you are doing a service D, and i really appreciate it👍👍
So it met and beat the CEA rating but that 71xx rating was like 💁♂️
have you tried nemesis audio? ive been looking at the 4.5k and 6k amps. was wondering how they would test
Beautiful
Please help me understand how to wire separate mono amps to my left/right subs rather then using a multichannel amplifier 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Hey Big D, I’m an old school Orion fan. I bought a 3000.1splx off eBay and it didn’t have a certificate with it are those the real deal? I wanna buy 3 more and don’t wanna get ripped off!
i have to 5000.1DV2 which looks the same in vid but love my hcca been running it 3 years now but it does draw alot of power i run mine at 2ohm yes i have big 3,300amp alt, dual rockford fuse holder and fuses 200 and 100 amp in each 1(think rf fuse holders r the best),4 batts, 3 15 xfl, and broke my trunk 18x now and split the original trunk lid lol. only problem i have is cold turn on cuz cleveland weather like now its 8° so wont click on until car warms up mostly like 20min tops. it clicks when ready but once its on its great and does its job best amp i ever owned
Hey i need the 3way switches on those amps for the hpf,lpf,nor where can i get them
I been done with Orion since the SPLX went up in flames. Heard they’re going out of business don’t know if it’s true or not but I’ll roll with JP or Colin for amps moving forward
What is the most efficient car amplifier you have tried?
Would you do some of the sound test with the old Dj.Magic Mike & the Royal Posse (Feel that Bass?"
Thanks for the suggestion
Interesting how big the jump was to dynamic on this one. Seems like they usually only pick up a couple hundred watts at most.
I also wonder if the amps are rated for higher voltages. If you run the same amp at 16 or 18 volts does it go into a protect or just make more power?
It can handle 16V, but I did not test that high
Man I miss my Orion 2500 HCCA's from back in the day. Strongest amps I've ever had. Apparently not the Orion of old school....
Epsilon Electronics Inc aka Power Acoustik bought out & owned Orion, SoundStream, & Precision Power for a while.
Same as MB Quart, Hifonics, Crunch & Autotek are under MaxxSonics brands.
I had the 3k it went up in a blaze of glory the largest smoke show of stereo equipment iv ever seen.
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Hey big d can u clarity differences between watts and rms watts cause alot or amps or speakers say 2000 watts rms and 400 watts can u make it clear to us?
I had the HCCA 225 and the 2100 to match traded the two for a Phenix Gold MPS 2500 , That PG was the Best amp $ could by at the time . Did a true 2671 RMS was so hard to find sub's to take that power in the early 90's !
1993 Phoenix Gold MPS-2500 - Who's Cheating? [4K]
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@@wal The one you tested was not putting out full power , Just so you know i remember when you posted that video knowing nothing about that amp or knowing what condition it was in , wish i could give you my old one to do the test with , it could do half Ohm loads for burst but it did get hella Hot.
I have an old school Orion 800 watt ,1 channel, d class amp from 1991. Pushes my 6 10s JL w4d4
I love watching the videos, your videos literally help me decide when I’m buying new equipment for my store. Also I’d like to ask, why do you not show the bass test in your Gately acrylic box? I’d love to see it at work!
Totally depends on the amp I’m testing. The sub in that Gately box is good for about 800W
Back in the late 90s I had this gigantic black ORION amp. It was like 900 watts. It hit really hard and had great SQ. Wish I would have never gotten rid of it. But I tell you it was nearly 2 feet long, not real wide, but dang it was long.
XTR 2250? The Beast
That's what she said, lol
@@johngalt1967 I knew somebody was gonna say it lol
@@danielknepper6884 I don’t remember the name, I could probably look it up. It cost a pretty penny, but I got it on discount because it was an older model and it was in a pretty small town, so there wasn’t a real big demand for it. People weren’t really banging ORION in that town back then, they didn’t really know what they had.
$25 Walmart Subwoofers and 25 Year Old Amps SPL Challenge? [4K]
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Love to buy that amp I have the 2000×4 nice amp
I have 2 sundown 10s they are extremely heavy that magnet is same size of that cone that kid se lit to me he said was 2500rms each I have sundown svc 3000 but I think is not enough power whit amp u recommend me for this subs
Massive audio makes good motors but suck at making the entire sub the baskets don't allow for much excursion and the glue the voice coil used is low heat so the coil will unwind when it gets hot
Would be cool if you tested one of Soundstream's Reserve series amplifiers, they're currently selling them at half of what they normally go for.
Who is "they"
Reserve ? .... you mean Reference ?
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You're asking who is Soundstream? Guess you haven't been around that long, in car audio.
@@Mr.Robert1 I believe he was asking who is “they “as in who is “they’re “selling half priced?
@@Mr_BUSINESS_24_7 No, the only Reference that I know Soundstream has is subwoofers. Reserve is Soundstream higher end products meant to be sold by only approved dealers. The RS1.5000D (1,700w) and RS1.8000D (3,000W) are their monoblocks.
FIRST BOX I'VE EVER SEEN ON YOUR CHANNEL THAT DID NOT LEAK.
Would be ironic if it has a huge port.
Any plans/opportunity to ever bench a Wetsounds amp? Not the best price to performance ratio and some of their amps are fused in a manner that suggests they don’t put out their rated power. Haven’t seen a dyno of them yet (probably due to their cost lol).
Thanks for the suggestion 👍
would you test, one of the old class A/B from ESX VE?
Thanks for the suggestion
I have that amp,that did crazy power at
.5 ohms,mine is the v2
10k+ at 0.5 ohms!!!❤❤❤ big d fumbled this one!!
What a beautiful amplifier
I think this is the first Orion that didn't do way more then their rated power, that I've seen tested🤯
I remember people use to laugh at my plywood box in the 90s now all I see pretty much
I've been cranking my skar 2000 watt class d amp for over 5 years now. I can't believe how well the amp and the two 15" skar subs have held up.
Seriously there isn't anything wrong with Skar Audio whatsoever.
Yeah it’s good stuff. It gets disrespected as it’s inexpensive and sold in places like Walmart and Amazon
What does that have to do with this video? No one cares about your skarbage
@James Stephenson I do. Because like I said. There's nothing wrong with it at all. I build woofers and I can tell you they are just fine and will put up great numbers and sound good doing so.
It gets disrespected because they're just Chinese copies of Korean amps.
Would love to see you test a ds18 gfx-5k2
Its trash
@@jamesstephenson2346 can you explain why ?
I had bough one of these very same amplifiers to realise that due to the age of the amplifier, some of the internal parts were failing....so I'm not sure if you are experiencing the same with this amplifier
If I had to choose, I'd take an XTR series over an HCCA series amp (with both being from the same model year).
Have you ever did a dyno run on the kenwood KAC-9106D. I'm running that amp with an RE audio sx pro and it slamming harder than my JL audio setup.
Thanks for the suggestion
9106 pushes about 30% more than the rating..great amp❤❤
@@lunam7249 nice. yeah it's a pretty strong amp I was impressed.
@@wahiawabound808 it goes deep also!! turn off subsonic and you will be surprized
@@lunam7249 I'll try it out I've got the older version of that model so I'm not sure if it has subsonic.
Where is the HCCA3000.1splx that did 10,300ish watts on the dyno? I’ve watched that video a few times, so impressive! Figured it would be here, probably overlooking it, they all look similar in thumbnails
I added it! Missed it because of my crazy video title 🤦♂️
@@wal easily done! Thanks for all of your work, have a great Christmas Eve/Christmas and a Happy New Year! Cant wait to see what you have lined up for us! If you see Mr. Riculous, please tell him hello! 😊
My hcca 5kdv2 still going strong 4 years even in these cold Cleveland winter's only issue is cold turn on in winter amp turns on but no sound til amp or car heats up it clicks then turns on and booooooooooom slams my 3 15s
When these first came out, there were easy to buy & prices were reasonable. But was skeptical because DEI tarnished the brand & didn't know that the company was under new ownership MD Audio.
Directed amps are awesome, still have a 1100d and a 200. both still work
@@csj9619 Yeah, But you must admit, the best offerings under DEI ownership, can't touch the best offerings under MD Audio's ownership. The only version of Orion that can compete with MD Audio is old school USA Orion.
Phoenix Gold made great amps in the 90s
Phoenix Gold MS-2250 Amp Dyno Test Old School
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I have a sound clip on my channel although it's not this amp it's the 7500 Colbolt which turns out to be 1200 to 1500 watts,I forget what it was
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Was wondering it took so long dyno it’s like a vw board
These amps are like the kicker 6x8 free airs.. Can't find em anywhere where I live
Sort of makes sense when you look at the price of this vs the 8000.1d.
It’s $700 more. So basically 90% higher cost for supposedly (rated) 3,000 more watts.
But actually the 8k puts out 12,000+ at 1ohm.
So this should be called a 4000.1d…..
Have you ever heard of or tested an ultra linear amp like the 3000 d can't remember exact model number I had one in the very early 2000s
I’ve heard of them but no tests yet
ive owned several....there built to UHC (ultra high current).. rated 0.5 ohm, but ran on 0.25 ohm...required great fat wire and at least 2 car batteries...were monsters....i think i remember they pushed 50 volts at around 100 ampere into woofer!! they pushed superhard subs excursion. prolly around 2000 wRMS
It had speaker protection relay inside
Those internals should make 7500 RMS easily on I've repaired a million amps and judging by the guts this should do 7500 certified 10k dynamic maybe it wants half ohm - .8
0.5 ohm thats 10kW+ easyyyyyyyyyyyyyy❤❤❤❤
Not old school enough! Give me regular RCA and a DIN plug for Orion accessories like the 400BDG and 200CRX and I'm with it!
1988 Orion 225 HCCA Amp - Stock vs Modded by Shawn K Amp Dyno Tests
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@@wal I remember that video...and that amp.
Big d i got version 2 of that amp you think it would handle .5 ohms
I wouldn’t run any of these newer HCCA’s at 0.5 unless it was for competition burps
ahh you talked over the excursion lol i wanted to hear it!
Let me have it for being a loyal viewer
Wish I could I borrowed from a friend
All HCCA tests should also be run at 15.9v
These amps really shine on a high voltage cmax or LTO system.
Food for thought....
15.9v is fantasy land.
@@hippo-potamus how so?
@@dale8846 Because nobody runs that high not even Steve Meade. A true 16v systems would be charging at 18-19v and most cars computers would shut down at that high voltage.
@hippo potamus incorrect. This is why you run two separate electrical systems. One alternator + battery for the vehicle at normal voltage, additional alternator(s) + cmax/eh5/LTO/etc lithium dedicated to stereo system. This isn't fantasy land... LOTS of people do it. And you definitely would not charge them at 18-19v. That would risk causing a fire.
@@dale8846 Ok bruh whatever you say.
This will be the first hcca I have seen which didnt do its rated power
Isn't there 2 models of that amp the SPLX ones are the absolute performers i believe they have more power inlets also
Yes the SPLX are the recent models. This one is from 2015 as I stated several times