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Super excited about this one as it hit my goal perfectly. the jp8 was 1400 @ 1 ohm, the jp23 v1.5 was 2600 @1 ohm so I wanted this one to be right in the middle and with it hitting 2000w @1 ohm made it PERRRFECT! so this fills the gap between the jp8 thats $199 and the jp23 thats $299. Since this one is $249. Its perfectly in the middle with power AND price, win winnnnnn =D Thank you for another great review!
Great job my man. But by any chance are you guys going to have a "select a color" option for all your amps? I'd love to see a jp23v2 in black as well. The jp33 would look badass in black too!
Your amped up attitude and business practices sold me on this. Underpromise and over-deliver an amazing product. Can't wait for mine on Tuesday... Just wish these babies came in blue!
I just bought one for the same reason. I had the JP8 and it was a great amp. I'm running different subs now, needed more power than the JP8 would do, but didn't quite need the power of the JP23. This is EXACTLY what I need!
it's just the opposite of amp companies that overrate their amps for marketing, underrate the amp for marketing for the communities to start bragging about how your amps produce "higher than rated power"
All for $259. Jesus, man! I remember in the '90s where you were paying a dollar per watt! I just bought this baby today :) Gonna run two Alpine R2-W10D4 subs @ 2Ω
D4S JP amps for the win! The only question left is longevity. We seen the test it passed them with flying colors and some. But how brutal can you be on these amps before they fail? They can get pretty hot. So heat disipation is really the only thing I can think of. It's hard to control my excitement when an amp does so well. After being lied to by so many manufacturers 😂
I bought a jp23v1.5 about 2 months ago ....I run a single American bass xr 12 dual 2 with it ....have run it for over an hour at very high volume and it has never got above 120 degrees ....and it was 82 degrees outside that day windows down no air conditioning on ....I have never had it get hot yet ...I do only have the gain at half way ....because thats where my sub seems to be happy with volume all the way up ....
@Donald Wilcox, Jr. Come down to Texas when it's a hundred degrees and plus in the summer they get really hot have two jp23 amplifiers wasn't strong enough for my sundown xv3 12s and ran hot but didn't cut off I'm running a Taramps bass 8k and it doesn't get as hot as them
I always like your video's on all the amp's out there. I'm a old school amp person myself and i used to like the alpine V12 amp's. They were very good amp's and run strong back in the day. I also wondering if you could do a short video on a very old home intergrated stereo amplifier. Its the realistic SA-!50. I still use it to this day for my computer speakers and still works well.
Great vid, looks like another great JP amp. I'm hearing a lot of complaints about that noisy fan, hopefully that gets updated sooner rather than later.
Luckily, I guess my JP8 is in my trunk slamming my (1) Skar 10” DDX DVC2 in a factory rhino lined enclosure luckily I can’t hear my fan but running at 1 ohm it’s NEVER hot or warm so I know it’s working good!#Down4Sound#JP8👑🔊❤️SkarDDX@DarrenTOdd
JP amps and Down 4 Sound in general are great! Customer service is super fast, if something should go sideways; and shipping is really quick too. I ran a JP23 for about a year with various subs and loved it, but when I switched to four b2 10s in my Ram 1500, I wanted more. So did the 320 alternator, monster AGM under the hood and lto in the back running a JP33…Oh my god! And that’s before I’ve run any rebassed tracks thru it. Bullet proof
Just ordered a JP13 and an Incriminator audio death row 12v3, which is rated for 1750 RMS. I also ordered a JP84 and CT sounds Mesa 6.5 components and coaxial's. I hope this turns out to be a good combo to get my 2 door Jeep Wrangler rocking. I really wanted the D4S components, but I didn't think I could fit the tweeters in my stock locations.
Amps ok customer service is shit comon Big D. They must stroke yoi good to ignore this issue look at the Google reviews it's not just me. Though you is the way I'm trying to get to them tgey just ignore and give excuses that are BS.
Big D, you really should take a long hard look at how JP, and D4S in general, treat their customers. It's well documented all over the web. These kids watch your videos, see your numbers, and then spend their money. So many of them are getting screwed by D4S and it's never mentioned on your channel. Don't take my word for it, look it up. Check his return policies, read the reviews from people that receive defective amps. The fact that JP replies to every negative comment about D4S with "laughing" emojis should tell you all you need to know about him. The amount of free advertising you're doing for him is disappointing.
@@THELIFEOFPRICE Not for nothing, but 50x4 seems dated. Even something in the realm of 65x4 would help it standout from seemingly an endless supply of alternatives.
@@THELIFEOFPRICE Yeah, or maybe just slightly more. 60-70 x4. I see the JP84 on the site but its 120x4. Its honestly a great price for that amp but something about half that RMS would match really nicely with the new JP3 I would think.
I think you could sell buckets of 75x4 amps honestly. The only thing is that typically people are running 4ohm full range speakers so the 90RMS of the JP84 is actually pretty nice. Im not sure if its possible to do a class AB amp in the same style (constant output or whatever its called) but that would be pretty attractive to me. (honestly im actually in the market for straight class A amps for SQ but its more of a dream than a reality for me)
When I was in the market I wanted a jp, but was looking for something between the 8 & 23. I'm happy with the sia, but would have grabbed this in a second
My JP8 has been a little beast. Been about a year and a half now and I abuse the poor thing but it never complains and is always ready to pound. I'm not going to say they are the greatest out there but I feel like most of the JP amps are some of the best buys out there between price, power, reliability, and features.
Next up…the JP 238. The worlds first carbon pile U238 mobile amp.The worlds first 5 Terawatt Nuclear powered amplifier. Outputs power at ohms solo… it hertz. Followed shortly by the Kicker thermobaric…8ft of subwoofer so terrifyingly loud that it is considered a weapon of mass destruction.Korean built of course…..
Me too Cause I'm on the fence right now. I just ordered a JP13 and after I ordered it. The JP23V 1.5 popped up for $40 more and in different colors. Which I was kind of disappointed about because I searched all over the damn website and the only jp23v1.5 that came up was a black one that came with the older style plastic base knob. So i ordered the JP13 and at the bottom of my order slip pops up the 23V 1.5 and different colors with the metal base knob. I was so disappointed which I really didn't need the power of the 23. But it's always nice to have the extra power on tap
I picked up a jp8 for my single 12" sundown E12 in a down4sound box, should i have gotten a jp 13 instead or would it be too much? I'm I thinking i have an upgrade road subwoofer wise by doing this.
Should be great, just tune the amp to the current draw. I will say though every amp install over 1000 watts should do a big 3 first. It's also always better to run a bigger more powerful amp than you need and turn the gain down than running a smaller amp maxed out to its limit like alot do. You should never see the clipping light come on and if you do turn it down a tad on the gain or invest in a bigger amp.
I've been looking for a replacement amp. Are these really a good amp? I've got a Fosgate that's cutting out on me and I'm really interested in this one. Not only for the power, but also for the price.
U always want to know the answer to this on jp amps and I believe it's over 200 wich is good but not great I prefer 500 for superior control over the woofer.
I'd rather see you tested in a car with it hooked up normally so we can see exactly what the real numbers are with box rise because this way it don't account for it so we're never going to see these numbers when we use it in the car. It's nice that it puts up these kind of numbers but in an actual setting you know we're not going to get this.
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What does it say on the board???
Super excited about this one as it hit my goal perfectly. the jp8 was 1400 @ 1 ohm, the jp23 v1.5 was 2600 @1 ohm so I wanted this one to be right in the middle and with it hitting 2000w @1 ohm made it PERRRFECT! so this fills the gap between the jp8 thats $199 and the jp23 thats $299. Since this one is $249. Its perfectly in the middle with power AND price, win winnnnnn =D Thank you for another great review!
Great job my man. But by any chance are you guys going to have a "select a color" option for all your amps? I'd love to see a jp23v2 in black as well. The jp33 would look badass in black too!
Fixing to order one of these.
Should push my l7s good
Your amped up attitude and business practices sold me on this. Underpromise and over-deliver an amazing product. Can't wait for mine on Tuesday... Just wish these babies came in blue!
Just picked up a jp8 to push two dd audio 10s can’t wait to get it installed.
I just bought one for the same reason. I had the JP8 and it was a great amp. I'm running different subs now, needed more power than the JP8 would do, but didn't quite need the power of the JP23. This is EXACTLY what I need!
I never thought to ask why. I always just click in with a genuine interest in the results and your commentary.
it's just the opposite of amp companies that overrate their amps for marketing, underrate the amp for marketing for the communities to start bragging about how your amps produce "higher than rated power"
That amp is a beast!! And its on sale right now for $250!! That is crazy value!
For the power output at 2 ohms, maintaining 88% efficiency is pretty impressive 🤘
really like the full spread of testing at basic (factory) voltage levels 👍
Looks like this is going to be my new amp based on power & efficiency and price ! Thanks big D .
I'm convinced JP is naming these amps after what they do at 2 ohms.
All for $259. Jesus, man! I remember in the '90s where you were paying a dollar per watt! I just bought this baby today :) Gonna run two Alpine R2-W10D4 subs @ 2Ω
Always getting big power with these jp amps. They are incredible
Would still love to see more AB amps from d4s.
D4S is killing it! I'm still drooling on the jp3
Dang great products an prices, I bought this one 2 days ago without watching the video first .
This is the one I’ve been waiting for I hope it sound good
D4S JP amps for the win! The only question left is longevity. We seen the test it passed them with flying colors and some. But how brutal can you be on these amps before they fail? They can get pretty hot. So heat disipation is really the only thing I can think of. It's hard to control my excitement when an amp does so well. After being lied to by so many manufacturers 😂
I bought a jp23v1.5 about 2 months ago ....I run a single American bass xr 12 dual 2 with it ....have run it for over an hour at very high volume and it has never got above 120 degrees ....and it was 82 degrees outside that day windows down no air conditioning on ....I have never had it get hot yet ...I do only have the gain at half way ....because thats where my sub seems to be happy with volume all the way up ....
@Donald Wilcox, Jr. Come down to Texas when it's a hundred degrees and plus in the summer they get really hot have two jp23 amplifiers wasn't strong enough for my sundown xv3 12s and ran hot but didn't cut off I'm running a Taramps bass 8k and it doesn't get as hot as them
These remind me so much of the U.S. Amps. When my amps die? I'm definitely switching to D4S
The fact that I called it on JP’s channel is absolutely hilarious
I always like your video's on all the amp's out there. I'm a old school amp person myself and i used to like the alpine V12 amp's. They were very good amp's and run strong back in the day. I also wondering if you could do a short video on a very old home intergrated stereo amplifier. Its the realistic SA-!50. I still use it to this day for my computer speakers and still works well.
I’ve been waiting for this video for a while now and it didn’t disappoint
What a beast of an amplifier, that's all I got to say...
Love these Dyno test, I wish they would put a dyno sheet in with each amp.
Came here after seeing it was released :) seen jps video first ! Hell yeah i need this amp !
This is basically the modern version of home shopping network lol
I wish I had the money. It would be ordered now.
Wonderfully made amplifier - brings me back to the days of Orion
Yeah the chassis reminds me of Orion too.
Been looking at this for a hot minute and waiting for you to review this! Definitely buying one for my Forester daily
Great vid, looks like another great JP amp. I'm hearing a lot of complaints about that noisy fan, hopefully that gets updated sooner rather than later.
Luckily, I guess my JP8 is in my trunk slamming my (1) Skar 10” DDX DVC2 in a factory rhino lined enclosure luckily I can’t hear my fan but running at 1 ohm it’s NEVER hot or warm so I know it’s working good!#Down4Sound#JP8👑🔊❤️SkarDDX@DarrenTOdd
JP amps and Down 4 Sound in general are great! Customer service is super fast, if something should go sideways; and shipping is really quick too. I ran a JP23 for about a year with various subs and loved it, but when I switched to four b2 10s in my Ram 1500, I wanted more. So did the 320 alternator, monster AGM under the hood and lto in the back running a JP33…Oh my god! And that’s before I’ve run any rebassed tracks thru it.
Bullet proof
I gotta see what the new MM1000 does
D4S has been a game changer for car audio .. hands down..
Ordered thanks for the review
Love all the jp amps and your videos bro !!!!
Just ordered a JP13 and an Incriminator audio death row 12v3, which is rated for 1750 RMS. I also ordered a JP84 and CT sounds Mesa 6.5 components and coaxial's. I hope this turns out to be a good combo to get my 2 door Jeep Wrangler rocking. I really wanted the D4S components, but I didn't think I could fit the tweeters in my stock locations.
How did this amp do on that woofer?
Awesome that it's the same form factor as the JP8. Might have to switch to one at some point if I add more subs.
Awesome, thanks for the video will definitely order on your link.
D4s fir the win again.
Love it as always! When are you going to do the JP32.2? Thx?
Amps ok customer service is shit comon Big D. They must stroke yoi good to ignore this issue look at the Google reviews it's not just me. Though you is the way I'm trying to get to them tgey just ignore and give excuses that are BS.
Gonna get this Amp for a rogue audio vandal 10 in a 2 cubic ft box tuned to 29hz
😮 I should’ve waited. This is the one I need to push that L7S 12
Thank you for these videos
Dang son, that's a heckuva amplifier.
Looks like the JP8 acrylic bottom and fan would work on the JP13 perfectly. Wonder why they used the smaller fan onthe larger amp?
Love my d4s jp23!
For $250.00, this one seems to be Perfecto.
Still rather buy a Taramps amp.
Down for Sound really doesn’t make a weak amp
I knew JP would send this to you
Big D, you really should take a long hard look at how JP, and D4S in general, treat their customers. It's well documented all over the web.
These kids watch your videos, see your numbers, and then spend their money. So many of them are getting screwed by D4S and it's never mentioned on your channel.
Don't take my word for it, look it up. Check his return policies, read the reviews from people that receive defective amps.
The fact that JP replies to every negative comment about D4S with "laughing" emojis should tell you all you need to know about him.
The amount of free advertising you're doing for him is disappointing.
You said it. Kids.
So you're saying anything a DIY slaps together is warrantable?
I like the 8 ohms test my self. 💪✌️💯🎶🎵🛠️🍻
I just ordered the jp3 on Saturday from watching your video
Starting to wish I would have bought one of these instead of the Rockford Fosgate Prime 750 Watt. Love the channel, thanks for doing these tests.
Are we expecting a new 4ch from D4S by chance? Would be really nice to see a smaller 4ch amp that matched up with the JP3.
like a 50x4 or something?
@@THELIFEOFPRICE yes please, which in reality does about 120 x4 @ 2 ohms. Also a small "250w" 2 channel would be awesome.
@@THELIFEOFPRICE Not for nothing, but 50x4 seems dated. Even something in the realm of 65x4 would help it standout from seemingly an endless supply of alternatives.
@@THELIFEOFPRICE Yeah, or maybe just slightly more. 60-70 x4. I see the JP84 on the site but its 120x4. Its honestly a great price for that amp but something about half that RMS would match really nicely with the new JP3 I would think.
I think you could sell buckets of 75x4 amps honestly. The only thing is that typically people are running 4ohm full range speakers so the 90RMS of the JP84 is actually pretty nice. Im not sure if its possible to do a class AB amp in the same style (constant output or whatever its called) but that would be pretty attractive to me. (honestly im actually in the market for straight class A amps for SQ but its more of a dream than a reality for me)
Good video Derek..never had any luck with this brand..my taramps smart3 bass never let me down.
How can someone not have any luck with these amps?
Smart 3 is literally a much cheaper made amp
Taramps has a 6% failure rate by their own admission. JP amps are at 1%. Full bridge amps are much less stable and reliable just by their design.
@@timstarnes8587 you do you
And also Big D is a JP nut rider. I miss the old shit
Just got me a JP95 delivered today 😂
What a great amp but why would they put a smaller fan on a more powerful amp? That makes no sense. Anyways, great video Big D👍🏼👍🏼
I'm guessing didn't have the room for the larger fan so just used what would fit.
I love it
When I was in the market I wanted a jp, but was looking for something between the 8 & 23. I'm happy with the sia, but would have grabbed this in a second
My JP8 has been a little beast. Been about a year and a half now and I abuse the poor thing but it never complains and is always ready to pound. I'm not going to say they are the greatest out there but I feel like most of the JP amps are some of the best buys out there between price, power, reliability, and features.
Dont we call that headroom. Tell those who dont get headroom. Thanks brother.g
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What excites me about their amps is the frequency response. Most companies rate theirs at 30hz - 18khz.
Big sound is limiting your hearing to only this frequencies! The human ear can hear so much more than that
For the wattage, $250 is awesome.
Beast ❤🔥🔥🔥🔥
Would a 240 amp alternator with big 3 and 0 gauge ofc handle this thing well?
Big D Whiz I know ofc is king these days but in your honest opinion would sky high 1/0 oversized CCA be sufficient enough for this amp.?
Can U please do a GROUD ZERO amp test
Will it catch fire over a 30 minute drive.
Would love to see what this does strapped.
Me too Cause I'm on the fence right now. I just ordered a JP13 and after I ordered it. The JP23V 1.5 popped up for $40 more and in different colors. Which I was kind of disappointed about because I searched all over the damn website and the only jp23v1.5 that came up was a black one that came with the older style plastic base knob. So i ordered the JP13 and at the bottom of my order slip pops up the 23V 1.5 and different colors with the metal base knob. I was so disappointed which I really didn't need the power of the 23. But it's always nice to have the extra power on tap
Sure sure but how is SQ of the amps ? Come on man.
Man, I got a JP8 and a JP84, and I need a little more power thinking bout a JP13 🤔 they need a 4 channel to match it!
Sheeeeesh🔥
Have you thought about doing any of the Rockville stuff? Suddenly I'm getting tons of ads for them on Facebook.
Basically the same output as my avatar atu 2000.1 , or any other 2000.1 classic korean board
That amp could be the JP 23 if it was any other manufacturer it would be LOL
Lets see a dyno on that jp72 amp!
So why is the fan in that spot on the amp?
what is getting hot in that location?
Oh snap, I need to get one asap, hey big D send me that one 🤣
Jp told me to come here for the real world test...
I picked up a jp8 for my single 12" sundown E12 in a down4sound box, should i have gotten a jp 13 instead or would it be too much? I'm I thinking i have an upgrade road subwoofer wise by doing this.
I am so upset that the 83 I spent 1500 on does not have the bass knob as a amp design
I guess these will never come to europe sadly, shipping and import is more than amp itself
When that 2000+ hit, I was like "WOOOOOOO!!!" Ric Flair style LOL
What about old school hifonics
How well would this do with us guys with weak electrical. On 12v
Should be great, just tune the amp to the current draw. I will say though every amp install over 1000 watts should do a big 3 first.
It's also always better to run a bigger more powerful amp than you need and turn the gain down than running a smaller amp maxed out to its limit like alot do. You should never see the clipping light come on and if you do turn it down a tad on the gain or invest in a bigger amp.
@@mattburgess2 I believe my cars stock wire for big 3 is 4 gauge already since my battery is located in the trunk it's a 2019 Chevy Cruze
Nice video
Any info on the purple jp23 1.5 dyno test
These must be full bridge amps?
when was this released?? i bought the jp23 but this is more or less what i needed 😬😬
Big D will the bottom cover from jp8 fit??
I've been looking for a replacement amp. Are these really a good amp? I've got a Fosgate that's cutting out on me and I'm really interested in this one. Not only for the power, but also for the price.
Hi sir this amp tune to 5 or 10 db while testing
Sorry, but why such a difference in efficiency with this and other jp ampd...eas the clamp bad? It's Chinese or you helping JP? This is suspect .
Daria até pra comprar mais o frete é muito caro
Pricey for dollar per watt
looking at jp3 for my fronts can you test that next?
he already did that one on his other channel =D
I reckon itll do 2k@1
What's the damping factor?
U always want to know the answer to this on jp amps and I believe it's over 200 wich is good but not great I prefer 500 for superior control over the woofer.
Those watts is rms or watts total
RMS
I'd rather see you tested in a car with it hooked up normally so we can see exactly what the real numbers are with box rise because this way it don't account for it so we're never going to see these numbers when we use it in the car. It's nice that it puts up these kind of numbers but in an actual setting you know we're not going to get this.