Possibly the most helpful controller info ever for me at least. I am far from being new to this, but sometimes the bells and whistles can be quite alluring! This brought me back to earth on my expectations and certainly helped me adjust what I actually need to fulfill my needs and not break the bank! Thank you ...very good insight here....
Great video! Thanks. Some of your comments can be extended to cover control surfaces that are part of a MIDI keyboard controller. I had a Nektar Panorama P6 with 9 non-motorized faders and one motorized fader, plus a bunch of buttons and rotary encoders. The non-motorized faders need a software host that supports "soft pickup" (not doing anything until the fader is moved to the current value in the DAW). Five years ago, not a lot of DAW controller interface software supported that feature (don't know about today, since I've moved to a control surface with no faders), so it needs to be confirmed before you set your expectations. For example, the proprietary interface protocol of the P6 never worked properly with PreSonus Studio One, even though Nektar claimed it did. The motorized fader NEVER worked in the motorized mode for me. I wound up landfilling the P6 when its color displayed failed, and replaced it with a Native Instruments S61 MkII, with no faders and fewer buttons and rotary encoders. Those at least work well in Studio One. It's nice to have control surface functionality as part of a keyboard controller (especially the transport controls), if for no other reason than to save a USB port. I had an original PreSonus FaderPort, but didn't use it much, and regretted the amount of desktop space it used, even for such a small control surface.
Thank you! And thanks for your insights! Yes, midi controllers are a whole topic unto themselves. I'm not a huge midi guy so I don't have any but that would be a great topic for someone to cover. Your P6 experience aligns with why I talked about longevity and integration. They are huge considerations. Thanks for watching!
Great video. I recently bought a set of three Qcon Pro XS and a master Pro X on the strength of your old video from a couple of years ago. Definitely do not regret it.
Thanks Jon! Glad you are enjoying them. I ordered a new Mac Studio with an Ultra chip. My next test is to see if these will still work! I’ll know in a few days! 😎
I have a Mackie Control Universal (8 channel plus master and transport section) that isn't even USB - it communicates over MIDI. It's 16 years old and still working fine with Logic Pro.
Brilliant video and impeccable timing, I have a carpenter coming tomorrow to measure up for a studio desk (based on Mike Enjo's desk) so I can fit an ICON QCon Pro G2 Universal Control Surface. Just starting out, I know I don't need it, but I think it will make my workflow better from the start and set me up for good workflow habits. I watched another video you did on DAW controllers, and this video has assisted in my decision making process. Thanks Dan, great stuff!
I literally searched "who should get a daw controller" this evening, wondering if it's something I should invest in ... I didn't know this video was uploaded on today's date till after watching and I scrolled to the comments just now. Timing is crazy!! I am the guy with the keyboard & pads central to my set up. Wondering if a one track device would be up my ally. ( like a single channel faderport or x touch)
@dopesnare They say timing is everything! One track controllers are handy and give you some control and it will work great for automation. Maybe not the full on mix experience but something to work with if your space is limited...good luck!
With your advice I went for the Qcon G2 +2 extenders absolutely love them . It's the nearest I'll probably get to having a full 24 channel board in the forseable future. As you highlighted if you want a mixer at the centre of your setup it beats using a mouse any and every day of the week. It's true you do need to prioritise your desk real estate but I guess like everyone else you arrive at what suits your work flow best whether it be just 8 faders or 24. Great vid bud people thinking of getting one have justt been given some great insights.
I really appreciate your comments and practical insight on this. I'm thinking about getting new controllers, right now I have the originally Euphonix MC Control and MC Artist and the faders are starting to glitch and sometimes NOT move as I change banks so when touching them to make a move in automation on the intended channel it jumps to where the previous targeted channel fader was. Haha I don't have to tell you how this can screw up your mix and day. I'm going to take a look at the Icon gear.
Thanks for the video. I liked the pros and cons you listed. I just purchased the Faderport 16 and am just going to install it today. I am a Studio One user, so I'll be looking to see if integration with the PreSonus native plug-ins are better than with the 3rd party plug-ins. I would expect so.
Thanks for the great video. I got a controller (Faderport 8) for the transport controls and motorized faders. I love being able to mix live with the faders and also being able to use them for automation. While my controller can map out and control plug ins, I still find it much easier to just use my mouse. I also use my iPad with Logic which works great when I'm across the room. So it really is up to how you like to work.
Love my Qcon pro x and extenders, they are amazing units. Having hands on faders is worth it alone, never mind the programming you what to do, the jog wheel, the zoom features and the pan knobs. Closest thing to having an analog board in front of you without the $75k price tag lol In regards to the second screen on the pro x, mine works with Logic, it shows the channel number from left to right across the 3 units I have. Not sure why yours isn’t working?
The second screen is designed to show more info than just the track numbers. On other DAWs you can display info much like you do on the first screen...gives you more space for additional info.
Thanks for all the great info. I am interested in purchasing the new Icon V1 - M controller when it comes out, but I’m not hearing good things about the customer service end of things. How has your experience been so far with your Icon controller and Support? Thanks, Jamie :) 🇨🇦
I’ve been looking at the qcon for a while. I use maschine inside logic for my plugin controls bc I love nks. This might actually be the perfect mixer for the electronic music producer. If I can program it for maschine software without logic, I’d be very happy, and it would probably ditch logic for good. Mixing in maschine with knobs just don’t cut it and those faders are very nice on the qcon. thanks for the video and it covered a lot of great info.
Left ProTools of many yrs a couple years ago. Went with Harrison Mixbus32C DAW and ICon is working with Harrison to help make the Icon Qcon Pro X system work smoothly. I’m really interested in the pro X with 3 extenders. 32 ch and will make a new desk to fit the 4 units and have extra space for coffee, cokes etc… Mixbus uses the Mackie protocol. Although SSL just recently purchased Harrison so I may wait a while to see what plans SSL has for Mixbus32C and or controllers??? Tony in Nashville ps. Excellent videos!
Thanks so much for your thoughts! I agree. Wait a bit. Icon has new gear coming and the SSL Harrison acquisition will likely change things. Unless you find a sweet deal on some used gear. Cheers!
I’m Running the AVID S1 with IPad PRO 11.5 I’m gonna Get one more and the Avid Dock. I thought about the Icon Qcon ProX G2 but I went with the S1 it was 200$ more and you get less but you get Quality Solid Build and the Econ Protocol runs to a T for automation and other things, I did try the Icon Platform nano.
Hey Dan, great video ! While looking at the spec sheets of the Qcon control surfaces, I've noticed that they would support foot switches, have you tried this feature ? I supposed you can assign the function you'd want on that, being a guitarist as well, this is usefull when recording, stop, start, rewind, record again (I've got an Apogee Gio back in the days for those functions).
Thanks Johan! I've noticed those ports. I've actually never tried them but I did used to use a programmable midi foot controller where I assigned transport controls. that was pretty good. I'll have to try those ports if I ever get some pedals ;)
Really nice video. I am looking forward to get a daw controller. For plugins, maschine mk3 as midi controller is really good. For integration, I am disappointed that steinberg isn't working on a new controller unique for cubase pro.
As I know you are a logic user, I wanted to share with you a game changer set of plugins for searching plugins in logic, gain control and even presets for waves, iAd and a few more. Found this the other day by chance, it’s called speakerfood plugin search. The bundle is $40USD to get all 3 plugs and so worth it. Just in case you haven’t heard of this software yet. I think you’d like it my friend! Great vid again btw!
@@LonelyRocker it’s what we as logic users have wanted for far too long, makes plug-in searching and changes super quick. And you can remove plugins by hovering over them and hitting the control key. Amazing! Wish I found it years ago ago. The gain control plug-in is great too for adding automatic fades to regions without having to draw them in one by one. No more hand cramping! Lol
I recently got the QCon Pro G2 8-channel because of all the great videos about it. I got it all set up, made it work and learned how to use it. I use Logic with primarily soft synths. I found having the control surface was an obstacle to my well tuned work flow. It's certainly neat, it's cool to look and I can show it off to my friends, but was it useful? Nope. If I wanted to get anything done quickly without hassle, my pair of 4k monitors and a mouse is fine. The only advantage was the ability to have your fingers on more than one fader and never once did I need that. When I write automation data, I just draw it in with the mouse and get precisely what I need or use the mouse on a virtual fader and do it that way. Using the control surface was slow and clumsy in my opinion. The names of tracks as they appear on the little screen are truncated in the middle, so you get to decipher each name when you look at it, that takes time. Also, big disadvantage, Cats. I have two and they have free run of the studio. They like walking on the control surface and then all hell breaks loose. Plus I found the scrub wheel of the QCon Pro G2 to be useless, going backwards would knock you right to the top of the sequence. Also, the faders were always not responding to read correctly, and they make noise when they move, they move in a staggering step motion, not smooth on long fades. I had to turn it off when I was doing quiet listening. So, I returned it. If you use Logic, get an iPad and use the virtual Logic control surface, that rocks.
I have scowered the internet for control surface controllers and you are by FAR the BEST source I have come across. I have found very limited info for Dgital Performer. That being said, I did see a video with DP11 and the icon. I am still with DP 9.52 and will probablu stay there (I love it) until I get a new Mac. Do you know if DP 9.52 will function with the icon. Thanks so much for this very informative video. -ray
Thanks for your kind words! I love the topic and you can be assured more is coming. As for DP, I don't use it myself. It's not so much Icon supporting the DAW. It's the DAW supporting the controller protocols. So as long as DP has maintained support for the same protocols then the Icon gear should still work just fine....just keep in mind I can't test that ;)
Great content. If you are just getting started in the industry and are in school, would you this be a good purchase versus a Tascam Model 12. I like that they are portable especially if you are going to have some gigs at fitness centers, graduation events, etc. Your thoughts? Thank you.
Thank you! Those are very different devices. The Model 12 is an actual mixer/recorder. The DAW Controllers I featured here have no ability to route sound. So if you are live mixing and recording you need something closer to the Tascam. If you get a DAW Controller you'd need to lug around a computer and audio interface. Hope that helps!
@@LonelyRocker Thanks for the reply. Keep up the gr8t content and keep replying back to as many people as possible. It means a lot to people and it will help grow your channel. The Model 12 is an Interface/Recorder/Mixer/Controller. Thank you.
Cool video and that sweater got you a LIKE and SUB.... Ive got a question that might be a good subject for you, I have Logic on my Mac book pro and I want to use it together with my iMac pc desk top , so that I can have more screen space for 3rd party plug ins. Any ideas ? Thank you.
Thank you. Glad to link with another Rush devotee 🎸😎. Why don’t you just get a second monitor that you can use for either setup. I absolutely need two monitors to work. There are also apps that allow you to use an iPad as a second screen. There is one I have called Duet. You could use you iMac as a second display for your MacBook if you have Thunderbolt. Research “target display mode”. Hope that helps! And thanks for subbing!
Mechanical faders are great to have but they tend to cost 10x as much so you can buy a 1000$ controller or you can buy a 100$ one. For most hobbiests getting something like a mixtrack pro by numark makes way more sense as you get 4 channel faders plus a mixing fader - and a whole bunch of knobs, external soundcard and it can be used for djing also with two platters. A control surface with automated fasders like that will cost probably another 1000$ or more. I think for someone setting up a working studio with tax write offs getting automated fades can make sense but if you are a hobbiest paying out of pocket moving faders is just sort of a novelty. Unless you move the fader in the software program it is going to be in the same position as the DAW anyway. The only time you are going to use faders is if you want to work them for automations as an instrument of sorts otherwise its really not that important, so great to have but you are going to need to ask yourself, is there a better use for this 1000$.
@@LonelyRocker Do share. I just don't want to spend 200$ on one fader. Almost doesn't make sense for me to have anything less than what is on the mixtrack as there are only so many usb connections available. I am curious. I have watched some of your other videos on this topic, but the prices on even the single fader and smaller 4 channels just seem insane. I have faders from things like the old maudio xsession and the numark mixtract, as well as knobs and pads from things like the axiom 25 and my old general music keyboard hooked up with the midi to usb connector, a akai drumpad midi device. It just feels like the motorized part isn't really going to do much for the cost, but I am all ears very eager to see what budget options there are. The keyboards with sensitivy you depending on how hard you play a note will move the slider to whatever amplitude position you play, sort of cool. What I actually wanted to get was a cheap multitrack mixer that also had USB connections so you can use it as a control surface (control mechanical automation not required) they have so many cheap knockoffs but they are all usb recording on the master, with no individual knob or slider control linking, sadly, I don't see how that would massively add to the cost of production sad no one is doing those things you can get a 16 channel multitrack mixer for under 300$ now but no control linking for auotmation and no multitrack record only master track record, very sad no one is putting out that product, unless you know of one.
There are some less expensive ones. Even single fader options that give you good control ona. budget. I have other videos that talk about that. But these are a "nice to have" not a "need to have"/. You can make great music without them....
Got my new icon Platform M.. Love it Thanks Again for a point in the right direction... Also just had a friend send my his Rocksolid Audio Control Strip 2. My Console 1 by softube has a problem and he just picked up the SSL UC1 so he sent me this. Its great. My only grip is you have to have your mouse on the plugin for it to work. But if you just press select on the icon you can just keep mixing hands free of the stupid mouse. Again sorry for all the typos....
I’ve talked about plugin many times. Plugins are so different it’s too much to expect the controller to handle them. I still use my mouse for plugins. Enjoy the controller!
Hey man. I just received my M+ today because of this video. I’ve tried the “select daw” function and still can get it to work with Logic. Any help, or a tutorial suggestion would be fantastic! I’ve searched and can’t find one. Wondering if my Nektar L25+ is possibly interfering with it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Awesome...Hope you get it running. I did another video for the G2 a long time ago where I talk about controller setup. Just replace the M+ where it says G2. See if this helps: ua-cam.com/video/ktcnnBzo-PI/v-deo.html Good luck!
@@LonelyRocker I found your controller video quite interesting. I have a Presonus StudioLive 32S model (33 faders) which I use with Studio One DAW software. It works very well as a controller with the software, but the mixer does have a learning curve for the multiple layers it can offer. * Being more of an old school analog guy who's used to a large format modular (inline) console, I am thinking of buying the SSL UC1 controller. I have the free plugin trial now and put the plugin across all my DAW mixer channels as to emulate a console with EQ and Dynamics on each channel. The UC1 should make it more like an analog console and hopefully increase work-flow (Hoping it will should I buy it). Phil
Yes I've covered DAW controllers quite extensively...wait to see what I have coming up very soon ;) That UC1 looks interesting but only if you are committed to their plugin. I have some other channel strips I like to sue. But if youa re an SSL guy it seems like a good option to give you that hands on control....
The future is voice control. If you are on a Mac using Monterey or Ventura, it's already here. I tell my computer to stop, forward, record, arm track, add track...it's amazing. I use a mouse for some things but many things in the transport are so easy to set up. I can tell my computer to go to make xxx.....All the tools are voice controlled, ...it's addictive. Once you go down this road, .....lol. I have not been able to see or imagine a need for a DAW controller. Automation is way more precise and easy to set up via mouse, keyboard and voice control. IMHO. I have a DAW controller, I never use it.
Hello there I see you are using Pro X and pro G2 , correct? You are using 2 different lines but they work together. My question can I use the Icon q con prox with transport controls with one pro G2 extender?
Yes. You see that correctly. I can’t speak for other DAWs but in Logic I was easily able to configure this as one controller. They are simply midi devices so it technically shouldn’t be difficult to set that up.
The best alternative to daw controllers could be mixers, which can be used as daw controllers, and for midi automation. Plus they can replace your audio interface or serve as an input / output extension to an audio interface.
Generally mixers are not able to control midi. There are simple controllers without motorized faders that can do the job. But getting into mixers with built in audio interfaces is a great solution but a completely different topic...
@@LonelyRocker Maybe mine is a unicorn: I've been using a Tascam FW-1884 for more than 10 years. It's a mixer, an audio interface and a control surface, it has motorized faders, and actually controls midi better than a Faderport V2. Not sure about the newer Tascam models, but I assume they're even better.
Oh they do exist...I just meant this video was not focused on those hybrid devices. I was specifically discussing controllers....I've resisted all in ones only because I want the flexibility to change audio interfaces as I require but they are great solutions no doubt...
That was my third and last video. Aside from touching on automation (by saying 'I like automation' which is a massive part of successful production is poor. No detail on latch/read and the benefits) this is another video explaining the obvious. desk space and and all the froth in the rest of the videos. Show, in detail and on screen, how to get a better mix using midi controllers....the rest will follow.
It really depends. If I am doing full band recording. Then yes. I'd prefer at least 16 channels. But as I am not doing that anymore. I just like having 8 faders for automation. Having at least a fader to me is better than none at all. But I found that I much prefer a bit more than one. But for just setting the foundation of the mix. I don't find DAW controllers all that useful other than it being a bit more fun. Things like controlling plugins are just more bothersome for me. It just always feels clunky.
Even the Fairlight DAW is just a glorified keyboard and mouse. They don't have any inputs so they are only useful in post-production. They are not digital recorders.
I have one of those german outside chinese inside Icon QCon Pro X which I actually threw in the garbage. Had to push the record button at least 5 times before it decided to record... Then I bought the SSL UF8 problem solved. If one I F/Hate is buying shit that peaple get on here and lie there asses off. Not meaning you my friend. I'm just a pissed off customer...
Sorry you had a bad experience. I’ve had Icon gear for years and never had an issue. I’ve heard people complaining about the SSL boards too. Seems experiences can be inconsistent with these devices. Hence, why I made the video 😎
i've tried a variety of generic controllers that use Mackie Control and whilst they are kind of semi interactive it wasn't until i got the Studio One specific Faderport which is designed primarily to integrate really well with Studio One that i realised the Mackie stuff can't compete due to being generic.
Yes. There is nothing like pure integration where the hardware and software are developed by the same people. You need to be committed to your DAW in that scenario of course. Some use multiple DAWs...but in your case I'm sure the integration is rock solid...
@@LonelyRocker yes, i briefly tried Cubase recently after ditching it in 2009. It made realise its best to stick with Studio One as i know it and can work way quicker than i ever could in Cubase. The Faderport combined with a touch screen works really well for me.
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Possibly the most helpful controller info ever for me at least. I am far from being new to this, but sometimes the bells and whistles can be quite alluring! This brought me back to earth on my expectations and certainly helped me adjust what I actually need to fulfill my needs and not break the bank! Thank you ...very good insight here....
Thanks so much for your feedback!! Glad I could help you and hope you find the right solution for your studio....
Great video! Thanks. Some of your comments can be extended to cover control surfaces that are part of a MIDI keyboard controller. I had a Nektar Panorama P6 with 9 non-motorized faders and one motorized fader, plus a bunch of buttons and rotary encoders. The non-motorized faders need a software host that supports "soft pickup" (not doing anything until the fader is moved to the current value in the DAW). Five years ago, not a lot of DAW controller interface software supported that feature (don't know about today, since I've moved to a control surface with no faders), so it needs to be confirmed before you set your expectations. For example, the proprietary interface protocol of the P6 never worked properly with PreSonus Studio One, even though Nektar claimed it did. The motorized fader NEVER worked in the motorized mode for me. I wound up landfilling the P6 when its color displayed failed, and replaced it with a Native Instruments S61 MkII, with no faders and fewer buttons and rotary encoders. Those at least work well in Studio One. It's nice to have control surface functionality as part of a keyboard controller (especially the transport controls), if for no other reason than to save a USB port. I had an original PreSonus FaderPort, but didn't use it much, and regretted the amount of desktop space it used, even for such a small control surface.
Thank you! And thanks for your insights! Yes, midi controllers are a whole topic unto themselves. I'm not a huge midi guy so I don't have any but that would be a great topic for someone to cover. Your P6 experience aligns with why I talked about longevity and integration. They are huge considerations. Thanks for watching!
Great video. I recently bought a set of three Qcon Pro XS and a master Pro X on the strength of your old video from a couple of years ago. Definitely do not regret it.
Thanks Jon! Glad you are enjoying them. I ordered a new Mac Studio with an Ultra chip. My next test is to see if these will still work! I’ll know in a few days! 😎
I have a Mackie Control Universal (8 channel plus master and transport section) that isn't even USB - it communicates over MIDI. It's 16 years old and still working fine with Logic Pro.
Sweet that it still works!!
Yes
Accepting programmed obsolescence by default as a stance is infuriating.
Brilliant video and impeccable timing, I have a carpenter coming tomorrow to measure up for a studio desk (based on Mike Enjo's desk) so I can fit an ICON QCon Pro G2 Universal Control Surface. Just starting out, I know I don't need it, but I think it will make my workflow better from the start and set me up for good workflow habits. I watched another video you did on DAW controllers, and this video has assisted in my decision making process. Thanks Dan, great stuff!
I literally searched "who should get a daw controller" this evening, wondering if it's something I should invest in ... I didn't know this video was uploaded on today's date till after watching and I scrolled to the comments just now. Timing is crazy!! I am the guy with the keyboard & pads central to my set up. Wondering if a one track device would be up my ally. ( like a single channel faderport or x touch)
Glad you enjoyed this!! Good luck with your setup!!!
@dopesnare They say timing is everything! One track controllers are handy and give you some control and it will work great for automation. Maybe not the full on mix experience but something to work with if your space is limited...good luck!
With your advice I went for the Qcon G2 +2 extenders absolutely love them . It's the nearest I'll probably get to having a full 24 channel board in the forseable future. As you highlighted if you want a mixer at the centre of your setup it beats using a mouse any and every day of the week. It's true you do need to prioritise your desk real estate but I guess like everyone else you arrive at what suits your work flow best whether it be just 8 faders or 24. Great vid bud people thinking of getting one have justt been given some great insights.
Thanks Ricky!!! Glad I feed your habits! :)))))))
I really appreciate your comments and practical insight on this. I'm thinking about getting new controllers, right now I have the originally Euphonix MC Control and MC Artist and the faders are starting to glitch and sometimes NOT move as I change banks so when touching them to make a move in automation on the intended channel it jumps to where the previous targeted channel fader was. Haha I don't have to tell you how this can screw up your mix and day. I'm going to take a look at the Icon gear.
Glad you found this helpful and thanks for your thoughts! Check my most recent video. I reviewed the new Icon VM-1.
You got a sub just from how responsive to comments you are, so rare to see that!! Not to mention the video was helpful and informative
Thank you so much!! Awesome to have some positivity here. I enjoy this experience and engaging with as many as I can while I still can. Welcome!
Thanks for the video. I liked the pros and cons you listed. I just purchased the Faderport 16 and am just going to install it today. I am a Studio One user, so I'll be looking to see if integration with the PreSonus native plug-ins are better than with the 3rd party plug-ins. I would expect so.
Congrats. Enjoy it! Let me know how it goes.
Thanks for the great video. I got a controller (Faderport 8) for the transport controls and motorized faders. I love being able to mix live with the faders and also being able to use them for automation. While my controller can map out and control plug ins, I still find it much easier to just use my mouse. I also use my iPad with Logic which works great when I'm across the room. So it really is up to how you like to work.
What you said is bang on. There are options and it comes down to your personal taste. Well said….thanks for your thoughts!
Love my Qcon pro x and extenders, they are amazing units. Having hands on faders is worth it alone, never mind the programming you what to do, the jog wheel, the zoom features and the pan knobs. Closest thing to having an analog board in front of you without the $75k price tag lol
In regards to the second screen on the pro x, mine works with Logic, it shows the channel number from left to right across the 3 units I have. Not sure why yours isn’t working?
The second screen is designed to show more info than just the track numbers. On other DAWs you can display info much like you do on the first screen...gives you more space for additional info.
Unmotorized faders mostly have an AND-circuit. They only change setting, when 1. the value is being met and 2. when value changes.
I use a studiolive from presonus and it dose also let you control your plugins (even third party) and it also works with logic.
Sweet! Glad it's working out!
Thanks for all the great info. I am interested in purchasing the new Icon V1 - M controller when it comes out, but I’m not hearing good things about the customer service end of things. How has your experience been so far with your Icon controller and Support?
Thanks,
Jamie :) 🇨🇦
My pleasure. Have you seen my full review on the VM-1?
I’ve been looking at the qcon for a while. I use maschine inside logic for my plugin controls bc I love nks. This might actually be the perfect mixer for the electronic music producer. If I can program it for maschine software without logic, I’d be very happy, and it would probably ditch logic for good. Mixing in maschine with knobs just don’t cut it and those faders are very nice on the qcon. thanks for the video and it covered a lot of great info.
So glad this helped! Icon has some new models coming out soon. Keep an eye on that before committing to an older model.
Left ProTools of many yrs a couple years ago. Went with Harrison Mixbus32C DAW and ICon is working with Harrison to help make the Icon Qcon Pro X system work smoothly. I’m really interested in the pro X with 3 extenders. 32 ch and will make a new desk to fit the 4 units and have extra space for coffee, cokes etc… Mixbus uses the Mackie protocol. Although SSL just recently purchased Harrison so I may wait a while to see what plans SSL has for Mixbus32C and or controllers??? Tony in Nashville ps. Excellent videos!
Thanks so much for your thoughts! I agree. Wait a bit. Icon has new gear coming and the SSL Harrison acquisition will likely change things. Unless you find a sweet deal on some used gear. Cheers!
I went with Mackie MCU with two extenders, I love it!
Awesome! Glad you are enjoying them!!
Really enjoying your presentation and learning what I needed to know
Thank You.
You are so welcome! Thank you for your kind words!!
I’m Running the AVID S1 with IPad PRO 11.5 I’m gonna Get one more and the Avid Dock. I thought about the Icon Qcon ProX G2 but I went with the S1 it was 200$ more and you get less but you get Quality Solid Build and the Econ Protocol runs to a T for automation and other things, I did try the Icon Platform nano.
Sounds like a cool setup!!
Hey Dan, great video ! While looking at the spec sheets of the Qcon control surfaces, I've noticed that they would support foot switches, have you tried this feature ? I supposed you can assign the function you'd want on that, being a guitarist as well, this is usefull when recording, stop, start, rewind, record again (I've got an Apogee Gio back in the days for those functions).
Thanks Johan! I've noticed those ports. I've actually never tried them but I did used to use a programmable midi foot controller where I assigned transport controls. that was pretty good. I'll have to try those ports if I ever get some pedals ;)
Really nice video. I am looking forward to get a daw controller. For plugins, maschine mk3 as midi controller is really good. For integration, I am disappointed that steinberg isn't working on a new controller unique for cubase pro.
Thank you. So many options out there but there are still some gals too. I guess it depends on demand.
As I know you are a logic user, I wanted to share with you a game changer set of plugins for searching plugins in logic, gain control and even presets for waves, iAd and a few more. Found this the other day by chance, it’s called speakerfood plugin search. The bundle is $40USD to get all 3 plugs and so worth it. Just in case you haven’t heard of this software yet. I think you’d like it my friend! Great vid again btw!
Oooh, nice tip...I'll check it out!
@@LonelyRocker it’s what we as logic users have wanted for far too long, makes plug-in searching and changes super quick. And you can remove plugins by hovering over them and hitting the control key. Amazing! Wish I found it years ago ago. The gain control plug-in is great too for adding automatic fades to regions without having to draw them in one by one. No more hand cramping! Lol
I recently got the QCon Pro G2 8-channel because of all the great videos about it. I got it all set up, made it work and learned how to use it. I use Logic with primarily soft synths. I found having the control surface was an obstacle to my well tuned work flow. It's certainly neat, it's cool to look and I can show it off to my friends, but was it useful? Nope. If I wanted to get anything done quickly without hassle, my pair of 4k monitors and a mouse is fine. The only advantage was the ability to have your fingers on more than one fader and never once did I need that. When I write automation data, I just draw it in with the mouse and get precisely what I need or use the mouse on a virtual fader and do it that way. Using the control surface was slow and clumsy in my opinion. The names of tracks as they appear on the little screen are truncated in the middle, so you get to decipher each name when you look at it, that takes time. Also, big disadvantage, Cats. I have two and they have free run of the studio. They like walking on the control surface and then all hell breaks loose. Plus I found the scrub wheel of the QCon Pro G2 to be useless, going backwards would knock you right to the top of the sequence.
Also, the faders were always not responding to read correctly, and they make noise when they move, they move in a staggering step motion, not smooth on long fades. I had to turn it off when I was doing quiet listening. So, I returned it.
If you use Logic, get an iPad and use the virtual Logic control surface, that rocks.
That's why I always talk about measuring expectations. Controllers are not for everyone. that's why I make these videos :)
I have scowered the internet for control surface controllers and you are by FAR the BEST source I have come across. I have found very limited info for Dgital Performer. That being said, I did see a video with DP11 and the icon. I am still with DP 9.52 and will probablu stay there (I love it) until I get a new Mac. Do you know if DP 9.52 will function with the icon. Thanks so much for this very informative video. -ray
Thanks for your kind words! I love the topic and you can be assured more is coming. As for DP, I don't use it myself. It's not so much Icon supporting the DAW. It's the DAW supporting the controller protocols. So as long as DP has maintained support for the same protocols then the Icon gear should still work just fine....just keep in mind I can't test that ;)
Great content. If you are just getting started in the industry and are in school, would you this be a good purchase versus a Tascam Model 12. I like that they are portable especially if you are going to have some gigs at fitness centers, graduation events, etc. Your thoughts? Thank you.
Thank you! Those are very different devices. The Model 12 is an actual mixer/recorder. The DAW Controllers I featured here have no ability to route sound. So if you are live mixing and recording you need something closer to the Tascam. If you get a DAW Controller you'd need to lug around a computer and audio interface. Hope that helps!
@@LonelyRocker Thanks for the reply. Keep up the gr8t content and keep replying back to as many people as possible. It means a lot to people and it will help grow your channel.
The Model 12 is an Interface/Recorder/Mixer/Controller. Thank you.
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Very cool video, going to look more into controlliing this weekend.
Awesome. Glad you liked it!
Cool video and that sweater got you a LIKE and SUB....
Ive got a question that might be a good subject for you, I have Logic on my Mac book pro and I want to use it together with my iMac pc desk top , so that I can have more screen space for 3rd party plug ins. Any ideas ? Thank you.
Thank you. Glad to link with another Rush devotee 🎸😎. Why don’t you just get a second monitor that you can use for either setup. I absolutely need two monitors to work. There are also apps that allow you to use an iPad as a second screen. There is one I have called Duet. You could use you iMac as a second display for your MacBook if you have Thunderbolt. Research “target display mode”. Hope that helps! And thanks for subbing!
@@LonelyRocker Thank you L.R.
Mechanical faders are great to have but they tend to cost 10x as much so you can buy a 1000$ controller or you can buy a 100$ one. For most hobbiests getting something like a mixtrack pro by numark makes way more sense as you get 4 channel faders plus a mixing fader - and a whole bunch of knobs, external soundcard and it can be used for djing also with two platters. A control surface with automated fasders like that will cost probably another 1000$ or more. I think for someone setting up a working studio with tax write offs getting automated fades can make sense but if you are a hobbiest paying out of pocket moving faders is just sort of a novelty. Unless you move the fader in the software program it is going to be in the same position as the DAW anyway. The only time you are going to use faders is if you want to work them for automations as an instrument of sorts otherwise its really not that important, so great to have but you are going to need to ask yourself, is there a better use for this 1000$.
You’d be surprised. There are affordable options with motorized faders. But you’re right. If you don’t need them don’t spend the money.
@@LonelyRocker Do share. I just don't want to spend 200$ on one fader. Almost doesn't make sense for me to have anything less than what is on the mixtrack as there are only so many usb connections available. I am curious. I have watched some of your other videos on this topic, but the prices on even the single fader and smaller 4 channels just seem insane. I have faders from things like the old maudio xsession and the numark mixtract, as well as knobs and pads from things like the axiom 25 and my old general music keyboard hooked up with the midi to usb connector, a akai drumpad midi device. It just feels like the motorized part isn't really going to do much for the cost, but I am all ears very eager to see what budget options there are. The keyboards with sensitivy you depending on how hard you play a note will move the slider to whatever amplitude position you play, sort of cool. What I actually wanted to get was a cheap multitrack mixer that also had USB connections so you can use it as a control surface (control mechanical automation not required) they have so many cheap knockoffs but they are all usb recording on the master, with no individual knob or slider control linking, sadly, I don't see how that would massively add to the cost of production sad no one is doing those things you can get a 16 channel multitrack mixer for under 300$ now but no control linking for auotmation and no multitrack record only master track record, very sad no one is putting out that product, unless you know of one.
Sounds like they are just not for you. And that’s ok. These are not critical to good mixes. There “nice to have” devices.
Question... does your qcon have XLR/ 1/4" inputs for actually tracking to your DAW? If not, what do you use, another mixer?
Mo, these are just controllers. No sound passes through them. You need a separate audio interface to route your audio in and out...
Icon makes some great products
They really do and more is coming!
I think these are great for mixing and mastering, maybe a need for many. BUT they are too expensive
There are some less expensive ones. Even single fader options that give you good control ona. budget. I have other videos that talk about that. But these are a "nice to have" not a "need to have"/. You can make great music without them....
Got my new icon Platform M.. Love it Thanks Again for a point in the right direction... Also just had a friend send my his Rocksolid Audio Control Strip 2. My Console 1 by softube has a problem and he just picked up the SSL UC1 so he sent me this. Its great. My only grip is you have to have your mouse on the plugin for it to work. But if you just press select on the icon you can just keep mixing hands free of the stupid mouse. Again sorry for all the typos....
I’ve talked about plugin many times. Plugins are so different it’s too much to expect the controller to handle them. I still use my mouse for plugins. Enjoy the controller!
nice video. what are the 2 daow controlle with 16 motorized fader you mention... it was too fast i could not get the name of the second one
Icon Qcon Pro X and Icon Qcon Pro G2
Thank you. Yes Vdub is correct. The Icon QCon Pro X plus the XS extender and the QCon Pro G2 and the EX extender.
@@vdub4216 nope.. at 6:30. you mention presonus, i cant get the name of the other. there is even a screenshot...
Oh, that’s a Presonus Studiolive and an Avid S3….
@@LonelyRocker the s3 look slick but no ableton config i am afraid
Hey man. I just received my M+ today because of this video. I’ve tried the “select daw” function and still can get it to work with Logic. Any help, or a tutorial suggestion would be fantastic! I’ve searched and can’t find one. Wondering if my Nektar L25+ is possibly interfering with it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Awesome...Hope you get it running. I did another video for the G2 a long time ago where I talk about controller setup. Just replace the M+ where it says G2. See if this helps: ua-cam.com/video/ktcnnBzo-PI/v-deo.html Good luck!
Well done video. It's the 3rd video i watched by you and all 3 done very well...
Phil
NYC Area
Thanks so much! Glad you are enjoying my content. Cheers from Canada!
@@LonelyRocker Thanks...Cheers from the Jersey Shore area! (About an hour south of NYC)...
Phil
@@uptownphotography nice! I’m just north of Toronto. Glad to have you here representing! 😎
@@LonelyRocker I found your controller video quite interesting. I have a Presonus StudioLive 32S model (33 faders) which I use with Studio One DAW software. It works very well as a controller with the software, but the mixer does have a learning curve for the multiple layers it can offer.
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Being more of an old school analog guy who's used to a large format modular (inline) console, I am thinking of buying the SSL UC1 controller. I have the free plugin trial now and put the plugin across all my DAW mixer channels as to emulate a console with EQ and Dynamics on each channel. The UC1 should make it more like an analog console and hopefully increase work-flow (Hoping it will should I buy it).
Phil
Yes I've covered DAW controllers quite extensively...wait to see what I have coming up very soon ;) That UC1 looks interesting but only if you are committed to their plugin. I have some other channel strips I like to sue. But if youa re an SSL guy it seems like a good option to give you that hands on control....
The future is voice control. If you are on a Mac using Monterey or Ventura, it's already here. I tell my computer to stop, forward, record, arm track, add track...it's amazing. I use a mouse for some things but many things in the transport are so easy to set up. I can tell my computer to go to make xxx.....All the tools are voice controlled, ...it's addictive. Once you go down this road, .....lol. I have not been able to see or imagine a need for a DAW controller. Automation is way more precise and easy to set up via mouse, keyboard and voice control. IMHO. I have a DAW controller, I never use it.
I can see in the future a device that emulates a mouse for those nostalgic about the old way of mixing ;)))))))
Hello there I see you are using Pro X and pro G2 , correct? You are using 2 different lines but they work together. My question can I use the Icon q con prox with transport controls with one pro G2 extender?
Yes. You see that correctly. I can’t speak for other DAWs but in Logic I was easily able to configure this as one controller. They are simply midi devices so it technically shouldn’t be difficult to set that up.
Great review! Cheers 🍻
Thank you so much! 🔥
The best alternative to daw controllers could be mixers, which can be used as daw controllers, and for midi automation. Plus they can replace your audio interface or serve as an input / output extension to an audio interface.
Generally mixers are not able to control midi. There are simple controllers without motorized faders that can do the job. But getting into mixers with built in audio interfaces is a great solution but a completely different topic...
@@LonelyRocker Maybe mine is a unicorn: I've been using a Tascam FW-1884 for more than 10 years. It's a mixer, an audio interface and a control surface, it has motorized faders, and actually controls midi better than a Faderport V2. Not sure about the newer Tascam models, but I assume they're even better.
Oh they do exist...I just meant this video was not focused on those hybrid devices. I was specifically discussing controllers....I've resisted all in ones only because I want the flexibility to change audio interfaces as I require but they are great solutions no doubt...
Thank you. Very helpful video
Glad it was helpful! Cheers!
HUGE HELP! thank you!
Awesome! And my pleasure!
try some monogram stuff for MIDI programming....
That was my third and last video. Aside from touching on automation (by saying 'I like automation' which is a massive part of successful production is poor. No detail on latch/read and the benefits) this is another video explaining the obvious. desk space and and all the froth in the rest of the videos. Show, in detail and on screen, how to get a better mix using midi controllers....the rest will follow.
Thanks so much for watching 3 videos and leaving 3 comments. My analytics thanks you! 😎🤘🏽🎸
My Icon Pro gen2 can’t have a Pro Tools Function where i can download it?
I don’t understand your question….
It really depends.
If I am doing full band recording. Then yes. I'd prefer at least 16 channels.
But as I am not doing that anymore. I just like having 8 faders for automation.
Having at least a fader to me is better than none at all. But I found that I much prefer a bit more than one.
But for just setting the foundation of the mix. I don't find DAW controllers all that useful other than it being a bit more fun.
Things like controlling plugins are just more bothersome for me. It just always feels clunky.
Good insight. I admit my setup is a bit overkill. I may scale it back at some point. 8 faders are VERY functional and can handle the load.
Great reviews man! I could live without the fart noises and meme photos etc but maybe that's just me 🤷♂️
🤣Almost forgot about those...it was an experiment :)))
@@LonelyRocker 🤣🤣🤣
Even the Fairlight DAW is just a glorified keyboard and mouse. They don't have any inputs so they are only useful in post-production. They are not digital recorders.
Yes. It’s all about hands on control when mixing. But that is quite an added bonus if you’ve never used one.
I have one of those german outside chinese inside Icon QCon Pro X which I actually threw in the garbage. Had to push the record button at least 5 times before it decided to record...
Then I bought the SSL UF8 problem solved. If one I F/Hate is buying shit that peaple get on here and lie there asses off. Not meaning you my friend. I'm just a pissed off customer...
Sorry you had a bad experience. I’ve had Icon gear for years and never had an issue. I’ve heard people complaining about the SSL boards too. Seems experiences can be inconsistent with these devices. Hence, why I made the video 😎
Inbuilt obsolescence is putrid, great video though
Great content, but those jarring and annoying sound effects and pop-ups are the worst.
Some people like them 🤣. Glad you enjoyed the rest of the video ;)
I like em
Stop complaining
You don't want the people aroiund to think you had Mexican food? Really?!!
LOL 👎
i've tried a variety of generic controllers that use Mackie Control and whilst they are kind of semi interactive it wasn't until i got the Studio One specific Faderport which is designed primarily to integrate really well with Studio One that i realised the Mackie stuff can't compete due to being generic.
Yes. There is nothing like pure integration where the hardware and software are developed by the same people. You need to be committed to your DAW in that scenario of course. Some use multiple DAWs...but in your case I'm sure the integration is rock solid...
@@LonelyRocker yes, i briefly tried Cubase recently after ditching it in 2009. It made realise its best to stick with Studio One as i know it and can work way quicker than i ever could in Cubase. The Faderport combined with a touch screen works really well for me.
DAWs are hard to switch up once you get in a groove with one. Sounds like you've got a good thing going there. Enjoy it!