Convoy L21B / C8+ SFT40 vs CULPM1 Comparison

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  • Опубліковано 13 лис 2021
  • The L21B models are using the 8A Buck Driver
    The C8+ models are using the 8A Ramping Driver
    C8+ CULPM1 - 1300 lumens - 977m
    C8+ SFT40 - 2000 lumens - 820m
    L21B CULPM1 - 1300 lumens - 1345m
    L21B SFT40 - 2000 lumens - 1200m
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  • @mikanielsschroeder
    @mikanielsschroeder 2 роки тому +24

    I love these types of reviews/comparisons because you can actually see how the light will perform when you use it.
    Great video!

    • @explite
      @explite 10 місяців тому +1

      Exactly

  • @PiercingTheDarkness
    @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +6

    :( I missed out the two last full size L21B SFT40 photos. I'll be uploading separate C8+ and L21B comparisons as well. Quite a few like shorter demos of the one model they're interested in.

  • @fundamentallymartin9656
    @fundamentallymartin9656 Рік тому +4

    Fabulously reviewed. You have put a lot of thought into it and show just what we the viewer needs to see. Not only that, you executed it brilliantly, it's almost art...

  • @ThePower1963
    @ThePower1963 Рік тому +4

    I really enjoy how you present the comparisons together. It's one thing to just have a video of showing the light in motion, and a completely different thing to have multiple, side by side still shot comparisons to judge which light suits the individual's preferences. Very well done. Also, you don't give biased rhetoric about why this one may be better than that one. The videos and stills easily let make up my own mind. Again, very well done!

  • @Bambams11Rt
    @Bambams11Rt 2 роки тому +5

    One of the Best Reviews I've seen!!!

  • @ultralightflyer9849
    @ultralightflyer9849 Рік тому +1

    I always look at your videos prior to buying a new light for a no-nonsense, on point demonstration of what the light is capable of in comparison to similar lights. Thanks.

  • @g22dru
    @g22dru 5 місяців тому

    Great comparison! Still relevant after all this time! About to pull the trigger on one of these and greatful for the review! 👊

  • @cosminstefanpuie8313
    @cosminstefanpuie8313 2 роки тому +4

    I just ordered a L21b culpm1 based on your review, i realy like your reviews. Thank you ✌️✌️

  • @Thrael72008
    @Thrael72008 Рік тому +1

    Excellent video. You did a great job there. A little late to the party but since I'm in the market for a culpm1 light I'm glad I found this.

  • @testaccount7010
    @testaccount7010 2 роки тому +4

    Thank you so much for this video!

  • @mibo747
    @mibo747 Рік тому +1

    SUPERB COMPARISON, no more questions...

  • @marcgossling8260
    @marcgossling8260 Рік тому

    Awesome video Jacob!! You’re the man

  • @r.junior9002
    @r.junior9002 5 місяців тому

    Your videos are very good, don't miss them, you have helped me buy my flashlights, you are very kind, thank you.

  • @TonyMontana-xj3zv
    @TonyMontana-xj3zv 10 годин тому +1

    The L21B with CULPM1 is like " MOVE THE TREES I WANT TO THROW FURTHER" 😆 🤣 Great video ! i like the way you keep showing us the differences between 2 LEDS in 2 different 🔦 . I just ordered from convoy a C8+ with SFT40 (8A) in a blue body + SS bezel + LED RGB rubber switch, will put there a sony VTC6 cell, i hope it delivers me what i want, if not i maybe order next time a bigger light like the l21b/a with osram LED for the next occasion.

  • @johnsonvs5126
    @johnsonvs5126 Місяць тому

    love your type of music and video

  • @batistepretoriano7188
    @batistepretoriano7188 2 роки тому +2

    Muy buena comparativa de las mejores que hay por ahí

  • @explite
    @explite 10 місяців тому

    Nice fresh light nice review

  • @lakasund
    @lakasund 2 роки тому +3

    Very good video and fantastic photos, CULPM1 is just a little bit sharper.

  • @dgkrompholz
    @dgkrompholz 2 роки тому +2

    Would like to see a direct comparison of the convoy l21b sft40 to the Sofirn sf47t

  • @onurozguder8210
    @onurozguder8210 Рік тому +1

    very nice video, love from turkey❤️❤️

  • @alexsey7777777
    @alexsey7777777 3 місяці тому

    On what device you have filmed this video, Jacob? Excelent quality! :)

  • @IsraelMagalit
    @IsraelMagalit 2 роки тому +1

    Great comparo. Thanks for sharing!
    Am I seeing it right? The Osram hotspots are brighter?

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +3

      Yes, that's correct, the Osram LED is further range = brighter :)

  • @kylam9874
    @kylam9874 11 місяців тому

    💯💯Thanks.

  • @unkle-user
    @unkle-user 2 роки тому +3

    As always, best night shots. I think c8+ pretty good for the price, but m21a, or m21e with 21700 may be looks better, what do you think about it?

    • @jon123423
      @jon123423 3 місяці тому

      C8+ will larger head wins!

  • @PiercingTheDarkness
    @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +2

    Please note that the 8A driver in the C8+ is the Ramping Driver which is available in the Convoy store. If you want the same driver in the L21B then get the M21A

  • @arakakimangaka
    @arakakimangaka Рік тому

    Awesome video1

  • @fastsrt8
    @fastsrt8 Рік тому

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts and knowledge to us other Earthlings. Much appreciated. By the way, what is the music 🎶 playing in the background? Be well, aware, and safe, out there. Sam, Q.

  • @jackanapes6676
    @jackanapes6676 2 роки тому +4

    Do you believe that a warmer color temperature such as perhaps 5000k is better or worse than 6500K for thrower lights? I find that sometimes it seems I can see an object at distance better with my FT03 SST40 5000K, than with my FT03 SST40 5700K. Any thoughts? Seems like the cooler temperature lights seem to washout more than the warmer K lights at times.

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +4

      Yes, this is why fog lights are amber in color because cooler tints are affected by the moisture in the air. On an ideal night a cool white will perform a little better, but warm white is the best all round.

    • @clintonsienes507
      @clintonsienes507 2 роки тому +2

      Yes because 6500K tint has more blue light and blue light reflects/bounces back greatly especially in foggy area

  • @scxndaal
    @scxndaal 2 роки тому +3

    Where did you get the 8A driver for C8+? Simon's store doesn't have them.

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  Рік тому +1

      He does actually, this maxes out at 8.4A - www.aliexpress.com/item/32989372464.html

  • @tomthomas9910
    @tomthomas9910 Рік тому +1

    I did like C8 SFT 40, but the L21B SFT 40 seems a bit brighter & both have strong flood mid range" as well

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  Рік тому +3

      I have recently discovered that the driver I used at 8A has now been reduced to only 6.4A. Not sure why Convoy altered it, so it won't be as bright as this video. L21B is recommended

  • @GSTYOU
    @GSTYOU Рік тому

    What's the power consumption different?

  • @ilovehotdogs125790
    @ilovehotdogs125790 2 роки тому +2

    ali expressed has a c8+ with the sft40 emitter in 5700k. Do you think the gasket is correct on those now? It's been a couple months since you said they were wrong. If not what thickness is the gasket supposed to be? Thanks

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +1

      The C8+ always had the correct gasket, it was only the L21B. Convoy has now, finally, produced my correct gasket and it should be perfect, I haven't yet received them to check.
      It was only with the Osram chips though, not the SFT40.

    • @ilovehotdogs125790
      @ilovehotdogs125790 2 роки тому

      @@PiercingTheDarkness ah ok, thanks for the info

  • @detudoumpoucoedc3417
    @detudoumpoucoedc3417 8 місяців тому

    Hello I really like your videos, I watch them all! I wanted an opinion : I need a compact flashlight with the highest possible pitch, the options are the Convoy L21B (LED SFT40), Wurkkos t01 or wurkkos ts30s.
    Which would be the best choice for the widest possible reach out of these 3? Thank you very much.

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  8 місяців тому

      Hi, glad you enjoy the videos. The Convoy L21B has the longest range of the 3 models. The Wurkkos TS30S is only a little less range and has a much wider beam, so you might like the TS30S more. The SBT90.2 LED is really awesome.

  • @caydengonzales5495
    @caydengonzales5495 2 роки тому +2

    From what I see the sft40 is better for surrounding light. Not just throw. Is that because the spill is brighter?

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +2

      Larger LED and the fact Convoy haven't produced the correct gasket so it's not properly focused.

  • @stoopidhaters
    @stoopidhaters 2 роки тому

    Would be interesting to see SST20 (700lm) in both lights as the diode is tiny which give a super tight throwy beam.

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому

      Maybe buy both with the SST20 and you can see :) . I only make demos for models I sell in my store, or those that are sent for reviews

    • @MLinktheprophet
      @MLinktheprophet 8 місяців тому

      ​@@PiercingTheDarknesswhat's the link or website to your store? Thanks.

  • @jonskitch8082
    @jonskitch8082 Рік тому +5

    C8+ gives L21b a run for the money. C8+ compact too.

    • @CrabbyPattydelight
      @CrabbyPattydelight Місяць тому

      Did you end up getting one of em ? Love to hear your opinion

    • @jonskitch8082
      @jonskitch8082 Місяць тому

      @@CrabbyPattydelight I have both with SFT40 leds - both are excellent throwers, but L21b has a more intense spot but bulkier!

  • @maxpower6802
    @maxpower6802 Рік тому

    Thanks for great video. May I ask you a question, please. I'm planing to buy Manker U22. sft40 vs pm1. Tell me your opinion please. (I prefer warmer tint and power efficiency).
    I broke my mind after watching your video... sft40 looks brigher....

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  Рік тому +2

      PM1 is brighter, as in more intense. The SFT40 has a wider beam for more coverage. I personally like the PM1 for the warmer CCT and it reaches a little further which I prefer. I don't know what the Manker U22 runs at though. I just had a look at the 1Lumen review and see theirs has the CSLPM1, not the CULPM1. If it's not the CULPM1 than I would go for the SFT40.

    • @maxpower6802
      @maxpower6802 Рік тому

      @@PiercingTheDarkness Thank you so much!

  • @grzybek3376
    @grzybek3376 2 роки тому +10

    I have a C8+ SFT40 and love it. I use the 5A 12 groups driver. Measured 813m at 4m @ 30s with my Uni-T UT383S luxmeter.
    I've been wondering how much will my throw increase if I use the ramping driver. Looking at the SFT40 test at BLF, the output should rise about 30%, and so should candela (up to 937m).
    How did you measure throw? Is my Lux Meter just inflating the reading?

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +5

      Hi, measuring throw is a bit difficult to get an accurate reading since very, very few are using a lux meter that's professionally calibrated. I for one only have a cheap meter, so I'd say mine is reading approx 5% too high.
      The 5A driver is actually running at 5.5 - 5.7A. I'm not sure how much of an increase you will receive.
      I always measure at 20 meters for throwers. I was previously measuring at 9 meters, but found I'd get 50-80m more if it was done at 20m

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +1

      Btw, both C8+ models in this video were with the Ramping Driver and I measured only 820m. Maybe if one focused the emitter a little better those results would be better, but like I mentioned in my earlier reply, measurements vary greatly from person to person having different lux meters.
      On the L21B SFT40 I only saw 40m increase with a better focused emitter. I see some claiming they're getting better results than an NM1, but I highly doubt it. My L21B with NM1 achieved over 1450m, so I doubt they're seeing a 250m+ increase.

  • @gernotboesser6901
    @gernotboesser6901 2 роки тому +1

    I still have no flashlight with this SFT40 emitter but this definitively will change, at the moment I am happy with my Convoy L21B with CSLNM1
    green, a very far reaching, phantastic and affordable thrower, which I recognized first on this channel. 👌

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +4

      The L21B with CSLNM1 and CSLPM1 isn't yet focused correctly. When it was first released it was worse than the C8+ and Convoy couldn't sell it, I provided them with the correct focusing adjustments. However, the factory failed to produce the correct gasket thickness and it currently gets 250m less range than mine. I have provided Convoy with the correct measurement again and a new gasket is in production. Here's a look at the all 3 gaskets including my custom one - www.imgur.com/pA8umyM.jpg

    • @gernotboesser6901
      @gernotboesser6901 2 роки тому +1

      @@PiercingTheDarkness Thanx a lot for your answer 👍, and
      you are definitively right, the hotspot is exactly like your custom one, especially the corona around the spot is a mess, but as I am no expert, I don't really know, how to change that. Maybe convoy offers to buy a corrected head.

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +2

      @@gernotboesser6901 The correct gasket will be available in roughly 2 months. It's just the plastic gasket that you can see at the bottom of the reflector, it's what sits around the LED

    • @gernotboesser6901
      @gernotboesser6901 2 роки тому +1

      @@PiercingTheDarkness Ah, o.k., then I will purchase one and try my very best to change it. It is the black plastik ring at the bottom of the reflector, right ?

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +7

      @@gernotboesser6901 That's correct, that's the middle beam in my photo at 0.8mm. The correct one like mine will be 1.2mm. All you do is unscrew the bezel, remove the reflector, swap the gasket and reassemble. Easy :)

  • @DISKRlM
    @DISKRlM Рік тому

    Спасибо! C8+ это тот же m21a, и его более чем достаточно! Размер фонарей очень отличается, большой разницы по свету с l21b нет! m21a culpm.1 отличный дальнобой!

  • @HoaLe-mp5uq
    @HoaLe-mp5uq 2 роки тому +1

    L21b. With a 5000mah battery at the highest brightness, how long does the lamp last?

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +1

      Check out the performance section on 1Lumen.com they reviewed the L21B SFT40

  • @SCHATTEN.0_0
    @SCHATTEN.0_0 11 місяців тому

    How long does the battery of the Convoy-L21B SFT40 last? Is it waterproof?

  • @tekvento79
    @tekvento79 2 роки тому +1

    Those convoy flashlight that are made in china are are those original ??? (Sorry for my english)

  • @googlemugle1457
    @googlemugle1457 Рік тому

    👏

  • @jiktakjiktak8508
    @jiktakjiktak8508 Рік тому +1

    Piercing The Darkness, I'm asking for your subjective opinion and ranking by illumination distance, because through the eyes the perception is different live and in photos or video.... I guess it will be:
    1. Convoy L21B CULPM1
    2. Convoy L21B SFT40
    3. Convoy C8+ CULPM1
    4. Convoy C8+ SFT40

  • @Davin.29
    @Davin.29 11 місяців тому

    L21b sft40 and l21b culpm1? which of two is the best consistent output and sustain ability for long time?

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  11 місяців тому +1

      They both use the same driver so they'd be much the same.

    • @Davin.29
      @Davin.29 10 місяців тому

      ​@@PiercingTheDarknessthank you sir, so what would you prefer sir sft40 or culpm1?

  • @Hepta.Asteras
    @Hepta.Asteras 2 роки тому

    I got the L21B, SFT40 (ordered in November 2021). The LED fell off. Don´t know what to do, I can´t fix it myself, live in Spain, shipping is expensive. (don´t know if this model had centering issues, ...it did show many rings).

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +4

      The issue is the square centering gasket is too tight a fit into the reflector and doesn't rotate freely when tightening the bezel down, and so it weakens the soldering under the LED causing it to break and come away from the mcpcb. If you purchased from Convoy on AliExpress you can message with a photo, hopefully you get sent a new unit.

    • @Hepta.Asteras
      @Hepta.Asteras 2 роки тому +1

      @@PiercingTheDarkness great! you got the answer right, not so great, it's the only Convoy I did not buy directly from Simon. Maybe I can ask the local TV and electronics repair guy to resolder it? He knows nothing about flashlights, but can solder stuff.

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +2

      @@Hepta.Asteras That's unfortunate. Here's a great video on how to reflow the LED - ua-cam.com/video/B3F68ubfBkk/v-deo.html . You could always order another SFT40 that's already on the 20mm mcpcb to solder in, if guy has trouble.

  • @engineren8023
    @engineren8023 Рік тому

    Which of these flashlights has a longer range?

  • @scxndaal
    @scxndaal 2 роки тому

    What is the difference between a 7mm and a 9mm reflector hole for C8+?

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому

      Can't answer since I've never used the 7mm

    • @scxndaal
      @scxndaal 2 роки тому

      @@PiercingTheDarkness I was told that a 7mm hole gives a tighter spot, while a 9mm hole gives a larger spot. Could you test this on C8+ in one of the next vids?

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому

      @@scxndaal i don't have a 7mm reflector though.

  • @r.junior9002
    @r.junior9002 6 місяців тому

    GOOD, TOP

  • @07freshkid70
    @07freshkid70 Рік тому

    Is the L21B better than the Thrunite Catapult Pro?

    • @alanrabinowitz7111
      @alanrabinowitz7111 11 місяців тому

      Better in what sense?
      L21b will throw marginally better. Catapult pro is in my opinion brighter with a larger hotspot and a clean profile. Both good throwers but L21b uses a more common 21700 battery while the Catapult pro has onboard charging.

  • @user-ur8jf6lo1g
    @user-ur8jf6lo1g Рік тому

    Обзор ништяк, як светит,когда гуси догари ногами, талабу осветить трэба.

  • @HunGyilok
    @HunGyilok Місяць тому

    0:13 dee Canvoy Bro-Aelectric-hood XD

  • @thertardhouse8764
    @thertardhouse8764 Рік тому +1

    Where do you buy this light?

  • @user-it8yd8lb3g
    @user-it8yd8lb3g Рік тому

    👍

  • @givawaigivawai4017
    @givawaigivawai4017 3 місяці тому

    L21b sft40 modded sir?

  • @TheWolf-jf5mh
    @TheWolf-jf5mh 2 роки тому

    The best is l21b sft40 ?

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +7

      What's best will depend on each individual's needs. I prefer the CULPM1 because it has a warmer tint and I love the slightly extra reach.
      For the best combination beam of both flood and throw, the SFT40 is best.
      I use these mounted to a rifle for hunting, and a narrow beam is best

    • @the7asmann
      @the7asmann 2 роки тому

      @@PiercingTheDarkness are you using the SFT40 6500k here in this comparison? If yes how's it compare to SST40, which one is warmer at 6500k.

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +3

      @@the7asmann SFT40 seems a little warmer on the lower levels. The Luminus LEDs tint shift. Convoy currently only stock the SFT40 in 5700K

  • @atps2421
    @atps2421 2 роки тому

    C8+ SFT40 vs IF22A with drone shots ?

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  2 роки тому +1

      I won't be making a video for those two. C8+ is 820m and the IF22A measured 685m

  • @relitto1019
    @relitto1019 Рік тому

    these are all unmodified from factory?

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  Рік тому +1

      I provided the correct gasket dimensions to Convoy and the L21B CULPM1 is now perfect.
      Fixed focus
      L21B CULPM1: fixed
      The two below are still the wrong focus and won't be fixed. I make my own gaskets, so I stopped asking Convoy to fix these. The factory messed up the gaskets and still aren't quite thick enough, but better than they used to be. My gasket increases the range by up to 200 metres
      L21B CSLNM1
      L21B CSLPM1

    • @relitto1019
      @relitto1019 Рік тому

      @@PiercingTheDarkness i might be interested in fixing the light myself, seems easy enough. would you have any guidance on how to fix it? specifically the CSLNM1 version

    • @PiercingTheDarkness
      @PiercingTheDarkness  Рік тому

      @@relitto1019 Yes, buy 2pcs of the original white 3030 gaskets, sand one piece flat so that it's 0.9-1mm thickness and glue it to the 2nd gasket. That's what I do for my store.

  • @jovan4382
    @jovan4382 Рік тому

    SFT40