I knew Ren growing up when we were very young and I can say with great confidence he is exactly who he says he is, I think that is a factor why his music is doing so well. Not only is his music fantastic he is 110% himself, no smoke and mirrors and that is what makes him so relatable. He is and is going to go down as one of the great singer songwriters from the UK. I love his music and so does my 6 year old, and he found him on his own not through me showing him. Very proud to see someone who grew up were we did in the middle of nowhere become what he has. Your the man Ren!
Yeah my five year old is also as in love with REN’s art as I. She really takes in the words and explains her interpretations to me, especially about money, she blew my mind telling me “Mummy REN is saying some people have lots of money like daddy, and they might not be very nice, and some people have not much money like you, and that’s not fair, people should share more”. A beautiful, innocent child’s interpretation of RENs words. He can reach the heart of a child and mother equally. She always asks me if he is still poorly too. I hope REN knows how many hearts he touches and he even has 5 year olds checking on his health journey.
@@Io-Io-Io 100% hes always on my phone using it for youtube. So that where he probably stumbled on him but he never showed me or anything. But me and my wife were sat in the bedroom one night and we could hear our boy sat in his bedroom singing along to his IPad to Chalk Lines. I went to ask him who’s this and he started showing me all Rens songs lol now he thinks I’m a cool dad since I told him I grew up with Ren and went to school with him hahaha not that I hang out with anymore or anything like that lol
My theory: Ren’s is so attractive to people nowadays because he is delivering something we all crave whether we realize it or not: authenticity. In a world of fake sh*t everywhere and 24/hrs a day (courtesy the net) - brutal, honest authenticity is an antidote the audience wants. Ren is real.
I also believe it’s the small village upbringing that creates people like Ren. They aren’t all caught up in the glitz and glamour and bullshit of big cities
My son is that way. He loves forensics, and he can look (with no training) at drops of blood and tell what happened because he will hyperfocus until it is solved. His ADHD is severe, which is probably why my taste in music resonates in him, more than his dad's. Because mine is the crazy algorithm gif.
My wife and I watched this sharing a bottle of wine with the same excitement as watching a Saturday night movie, I loss count how many times she said, "He's so adorable " lol we both love you Ren ❤ and can't wait for the day you are on stage. Justin, this was a double bonus for us as 'I believe in a thing called love ' was our wedding song back in 2006. ❤❤
Ren is a super interesting dude but let's not discount the quality of Justin's interviewing style. Really natural, well researched and very personable.
It's funny that this video came out 10 months ago, but now it shows up in my algorithm after I recently discovered "Hi Ren." It's incredible to me to hear Ren basically confirm the feelings I get from that song. I have listened to it once a day since I first heard it. And what's weirder is, I went through something similar, yet different. In elementary school, I almost off-ed myself. And I told myself that if high school wound up worse than that, I would eventually go through with it... I had resigned myself to never living past 18yo. High School wound up being the best time of my life. I met my wife there. We have 3 kids and a quaint home near our family, so I am eternally grateful that I didn't... but it does leave me without answers in life, at my current age. I'm actually the same age as Ren (33-34). I never imagined what life would look like at this age. Ever. So, it's uncharted territory. It's exciting, sure, but it's also anxiety inducing. It's like taking the most difficult test in the world with absolutely no prep... Or, the easiest test in the world, but in a language you can't comprehend...
Idk, he wasn't redirecting Ren in mid topic. I found that when he did give his input or ask a question, it was because he could relate to what Ren was saying or what Ren was saying had intrigued him, and he wanted to know more. To me, that's called a conversation. To go even further, this is a typical conversation between two neurodivergent minded people.
@Quietus Forgotten absolutely. Ren was a guest on Justin's show and respected that dynamic. There is a decent age difference between the two. I feel like Justin respects Ren's musicianship, and after a point in the interview, he really wanted to just shoot the shit with Ren as an equal. Ren being younger than Justin, and maybe not used to that level of recognition recorded for the world to see acted like the humble person that he is.
Complete honesty, clarity of thought and intelligence. This was a magnetically riveting watch, which crossed the complete emotional circumference for me. Thanks so much Ren and Justin for a discussion which will long resonate with me.
Oh, brother, from another fighter of chronic neurological Lyme, MCAS, PANDAS/PANS, assorted mental health conditions, and a similarly long list we don’t need to dive into fully, I’m in tears watching you describe a journey that hits so close to home. Seriously SO MANY similarities. Thank you for continuing to fight and bless this world with your presence. Fighting alongside you and believing we will all find a cure.
Just found you today!!!!! As someone who lives in chronic pain & has been ignored, not believed, seen by so many professionals, in and out of hospital all the time and no answers, thank you because I could relate to everything you spoke about and in your songs! I’m 44 it’s been a long time and I do lock myself away. I have become so lonely because no one understands and they all get so frustrated which yes effects your health in a way no one can understand… thank you for talking. Thank you for your songs I only literally found you couple hours ago and the 3 songs I have just listened to was like wow someone feels the same
I don’t know you but I wish the best , I self isolated myself once and your correct in the belief that it effects your health, good luck with everything your not alone in this world even though it may seem like that sometimes. Peace
I can so relate! I have chronic lyme. I chronic pain every day for 16 years plus So many other horrific symptoms. No one believed me either. It makes the suffering so much harder 😢
German woman here for the definition of the german word Zeitgeist. It is a word for all ideas, thoughts, spirits and goals that are typical for people who are living in the same period of time. Examples: 60's: flowerpower, peace movement, make love not war, 80's: environment movement, getting away from nuclear power. So no 'time travelling' 😂. Well, hi Ren, I saw you on the internet half a year ago for the first time. And I loved everything I saw and heard since then. I suffer from rheumatism since I was 19, now I am 61 with 2 knee implants and a medicine called Metotrexat which comes out of cancer treatment, on a weekly basis. Your art and the fact that and how you talk about your health openly, is so important for all the lost suffering souls out there. Keep on doing your thing whenever your health situation allows it. Love ❤.
Fabulous interview. As a 50+ man I thought I knew what music I liked, Indie, punk, Stoner Rock, alt rock. I really didn’t believe that, at my age this would ever change, but what REN is doing now has blown my mind. I realised that I had pretty much stopped listening to new music and REN has totally changed this - Thanks for that REN.
Dude, I’m 50 and have 5 version of Dopesmoker in my record collection and in 2023 my Spotify Wrapped is going to be Ren and Chinchilla. My daughters are trying to figure out what happened to me. 🤣🤣🤣
I thought that too. He got me when he had a painful moment remembering when he thought he didn't have many years left, it was a good save by Justin bringing him back to the present moment
It's great news isn't it!? It's like when he said the "peak" of his illness, like he's through it now. And what do you know : he managed to make it through just when he's beginning to be noticed! So after years of doing nothing but practise while claiming benefits, now he's making money and he's healed. It's a miracle!!!
@@bantacommander8744 he's not healed though, he's much recovered but as he said in one of his Community posts, the damage is far worse than originally thought, some of it irrevocable and even in this interview he said he still suffers with illness/debilitating fatigue and has to have periods of rest between the activities we get to see
@@Veeliscious Yes, I've heard plenty of benefit cheats in my line of work, and they all seem to have plenty of strength, stamina and drive until it's time for work: then they're either spent or just too "ill." Trust me, no matter what you or anyone else say, and even though I understand you're coming from a good place, my mind cannot be changed. I've personally witnessed this type a thousand times or more. Thank you for taking the time to reply though.
I’m a 73yro female who has been following Ren for about a year The first I heard of him was in a musical review of Hi Ren. His lyrics are so captivating! The story behind the performance has made me appreciate “Hi Ren” even more! Thanks for asking the hard questions. I enjoyed your interview!!
Everything about Ren is astonishing. He's completely reinvigorated my optimism that even in today's industry climate, stunning voices can emerge and rise far above the fray. He's also completely adorable. I mean, come on.
Brilliant interview! What an intelligent, humble and engaging young man Ren is. Refreshingly honest, doesn't avoid answering personnel questions and isn't looking for sympathy. Ren, I wish you every success and a healthy future!
@@bantacommander8744 But he isn't. He's telling his story and being vulnerable. Not once has he ever asked for pity (implicitly or otherwise). The world needs more transparency when it comes to mental health. And he is doing it through music.
I can identify with Ren's brain and I'm a 60 year old woman. I could never be put in a box either. I wanted to do everything and have a brain that is both very creative & very inquisitive. Never diagnosed with ADHD but sounds about right. lol. Where I do always feel most at peace with myself is in music & nature. Two things that I always say set the human spirit free. Ren reminds me of someone like Van Gogh or Davinci. He is an artist in every sense of the word and born to do exactly what he is doing. He connects to people of ALL ages because he expresses a truth about the human condition that we all can relate to. No one gets through this life pain free. Ren is a rare gem in the music industry, and his message is needed!
What an eloquent talented little dude! Note to self: If you ever see Ren coming out of a store, don't go all fangirly at him. Accept that he's stepped out of his performer suit and leave him the hell alone. (That would be tough to do, I'm not gonna lie. But now I know - and if he's ever in Houston, Texas - I'll commit to doing that for him.) Thanks, Justin, for such a great interview. :)
When you're a songwriter, the best thing about watching Ren (in any format really) is that he makes you want to stop what you are doing and create something immediately. His energy is just infectious like that.
I’m another 50+ man who’s come across with your music in 2024. You keep blowing my mind with your music, poetry and how you combine the two. It’s unique and exceptional. I hope your health continues improving and we’ll see more from you online AND I look forward to experiencing your magic live. Hopefully, already in 2025. Thank you 🙏 for everything!
I put this interview on with the intention of doing mundane stuff at the same time as listening, but i havent done a single damn thing, just sat here completely captivated, fascinated, enthralled. Ren is a once in a generation artist and I feel privileged that I'm here to witness it, he deserves every success heading his way.
Agree, he’s in a class of his own. Also just wrote another comment about not getting anything done or doing anything else today, as my ears are captured here for the weekend I think 😂
I just discoverd Ren about 3 hours ago, listened to about 10 songs from him and am now listening to this interview. I never experienced to love someones music so deeply and like it's creator so much in this short of time before..
idem moi hier incroyable ce jeune homme quel talent brillant génie très cultivé également et adorable on ne peu que l'aimé je lui souhaite tout le bonheur du monde longue vie 🙏👍👏💖🇫🇷
I'm older...57...and I love this kid. Although his style isn't my norm, the stories he tells are amazingly relatable. Back in the day, Pink Floyd's The Wall was easily my favorite. So I see some of that in his work. The mental path they both follow. Not that he imitates at all, just that same vein. Well wishes for him in his career and in his health. Great interview. He seems so authentic in a fake world. I'm a fan.
As a lady in my 50's that appreciate all genres of music and talent, Ren is my favorite, I only stumbled onto Ren after reinstalling UA-cam about 3 weeks ago, love you Ren, you talent moves and inspire so many people, thank you for sharing yourself with the world. ❤😊😊❤
After getting COVID 1.5 years ago I have been suffering daily from ME/CFS. At the age of 26 it has flipped my entire life upside down. I feel like nobody wants to hear about it and it has been a very lonely journey for me. It really meant a lot to me when I discovered one of my favourite artists suffers from similar daily struggles and is very vocal about it. I don't think people realize how devastating this is on both body and mind. Quality of life is significantly reduced but nobody around you can see the suffering. Most people think im just "stressed" or "tired". Having a person with a following openly validate and acknowledge it is much appreciated. I even reached out to Ren on one of his Music videos to ask him something about his illness and he was kind enough to take the time to respond.
dont give up, you never know you could spontaneously go into remission tomorrow. i would urge you to find a good specialist tho, they can try antivirals and such that may make you feel better
I got something similar following another viral infection. I was 28 then. Too fatigued to do much, couldn’t think straight or concentrate. People could not understand. There are virtual support groups for ME/CFS- join one. Be patient. You will climb out of this….eventually
Hang in there. The support groups are great. Helps me with the mental beatdown I give myself regularly. Hope you feel better soon. You are young and the body is pretty amazing. ❤
Ive only recently got into Rens music and every track blows my mind, i listen once, then again and again and im like "what the hell have i just listened to?" so listen again trying to fit it into a genre which i cant, its just musical genius.
Here in the U.S. it's Mental Health Awareness Month, and I happened to hear "Hi Ren" for the first time. THIS ARTIST NEEDS TO BE ENCOURAGED TO KEEP DOING WHAT HE DOES.
As someone who battles and lives with chronic depression, general anxiety disorder and suicidal thoughts while holding down a job. I look up to Ren, I'm much older, but he is an inspiration for me. His music makes me feel like my thoughts are normalized. I'm thankful for that.
Same. It took my a long time to find formal words to call it but I was 10 the first time I realized thoughts of the later issue were not standard. The way he described a pendulum constantly swaying / an eternal dance at the end of Hi Ren really spoke for me as I have said something like that, though not so eloquently, many times years after I found the words to call it. Big difference is, when I first noted not a fight to win, I found it daunting to consider I would dance for the rest of my days in exhaustion. In time I did learn the dance but still felt that despair at the prospect. How he positioned it in that monologue shifted my mindset for the first time in (when do we start the clock?) years. I've done a lot of work to learn the dance but what his example did to shift my mindset is immeasurable by comparison.
I'm 22 and unsure about my future because of depression and mental illness, just found out about Ren and pretty much wanted to be him when i get older. Amazing human being and you can clearly see he is 100 percent who he says he is. What a pure soul despite his challenges. You inspire us Ren!
I thought he was 27 from the Hi Ren video (and I was surprised he was as old as 27 too), my mind is blown... I didn't buy that he's a 90s kid but I guess he is.
Hearing Ren talk about ME brought a tear to my eye, it's never talked about, no one knows it exist and when you talk about they just think you're depressed meanwhile you can't even explain your symptoms due to the immense brain fog. Thank you for asking that questions and spreading awareness, it truly means a lot!
Ren was how I discovered Justin’s UA-cam channel. As I listen to the interview, I noticed Justin was generous in allowing Ren to talk. Ren has so much to say, this interview provided an opportunity to understand Ren’s experience. Ren seems like such a lovely guy who’s been through so much, he uses his experiences to create lyrically brilliant songs. His words have touched me on a profound level. I appreciate his music. Thank you.🙏🏻
As soon as I heard him talk about mirror neurons I jumped out of my seat. I love how well rounded his knowledge is. He is an amazing artist, you can see how much he research stuff on the clues he leaves in his videos, the iconography he uses, his quotes and rhymes. I'm so happy I discovered his music, like at the end of February, wish it happened sooner 'cause I haven't been this excited for an artist for a looooong time. I've spent the last months obsessing everyone I know about him.
Yea, And did you hear him talk about his reading? Aldus Huxley, George Orwell, Kurt Vonnegut. /his condition meant he had a lot of time on his hands but he clearly didn't waste it.
At around 20:25 when Ren starts talking about “seeing patterns” when he plays that’s such a neuro divergent trait that a lot of us have. It’s like a cool superpower thing especially when you recognize it and gain the ability to use it. Whether it’s ADHD, Autism or any other ND thing. For me at first it was all gobbledygook until the pieces started to click together like a giant jigsaw puzzle. Add the hyper focus and you begin to see how a lot of us are musicians, actors, dancers and emergency medical providers. We see things most don’t. Love the interview it was like two new friends getting to know each other and those are the best kind.❤
As another person that has all the weird syndromes that make doctors throw their hands up, I’m amazed at Ren. That he is able to do all that he does while dealing with health problems, he’s truly inspiring.
About 3/4 in when answering the question about why people are drawn to your music. I think a big component is the vulnerability you make public, you are so personable and genuine in your communication through music that your fans build a bond through that vulnerability. They get to know you in a deeper sense as the outlet of all your termoile, but in return that makes them feel safe enough to reciprocate and share their stories with you. I think its a social contruct similar to the mirror neuron, people are seeing you bear your pain out in the open. They see that courage and they respect the sharing of that vulnerability, and that ends up a) why you get so many intense meet and greets, b) how so many people can become so deeply connected to you that all of the sudden every piece you have ever made is listened to and part of the shared journey.
I am a teacher in USA and sometimes when I can't sleep at night I just go through youtube music. I am in my 50's but love and respect authentic musicians. Stumbled onto Hi REN and was just blown away by how raw and painful it was and knew many of my middle school students probably would have really related to be torn mentally like this. Was really glad to find this interview and to see how healthy REN is now. Thank you for this
I'm also in my 50s and blown away by Ren's mad talents. I'm fascinated with the way Ren has affected such a wide range of people, noticeably others my age and upwards. So many shared the experience of watching Hey Ren for the first time, reacting in such an unexpected way as I did. I was utterly transfixed, mouth open from beginning to end. I've never been so viscerally moved on hearing a piece of music for the first time. The raw emotion in the song was tangible. You didn't just hear it, you felt it with every fibre of your being Magical...
I’m 61, but a teen at heart! Your students are so lucky. Ren is amazing. The fact that he appeals to all ages especially adults our age speaks volumes. I hope he realizes his dreams of the musical Netflix series! Someone needs to help him produce that!
My Sister was diagnosed with ME when she was 8 and was hospitalized for close to 6 months. in that time i don't think she was ever tested for Lyme disease. she has had problems like you describe for YEARS.. Needless to say i sent her a message to get tested. Thank you for sharing this @RenMakesMusic !!!!!
I've now decided that the best interviews with musicians should be done by other musicians. You ask the best questions with the perfect amount of behind the scene/underground knowledge. Loved this so much, thank you!
Yep. 100%. You nailed it. I never really thought about that before this comment. D'uh. An experienced musician really can relate and ask the right questions. Consequentially, we can soak up the reality. So good. 👍🏻😀🇬🇧
Since JH did this interview, Ren has become really quite famous and done a number of interviews with various reactors etc, but this is still hands down the best by far. I had no intention of listening again to JH interviewing Ren but it came on automatically via auto play whilst I was cooking supper and it’s just gripping. This is a brilliant interview, well done Justin as a fellow artist, I think you were given a window into Ren that no one else has managed to pass through.
As an Englishman living in beautiful Wales, I'm so chuffed that Ren is putting his country on the map. Ren is a genuine, down to earth genius who deserves every success he gets.
Excellent interview from two legends. I was diagnosed with CFS after a nasty case of glandula fever. It was horrible and took away a good 2 years of my life. I was almost medically retired from a steady job at the ripe old age of 21. Even now, 20 odd years later my body struggles to fight the common cold sometimes without exhaustion. It sucks. I ended up going through CBT (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) which gave me coping mechanisms which I use to this day. Ren is an amazing dude to have gone through all this and still made himself the success he has. Thanks for this video. Much love to all.
Justin thank you soooo much for doing this interview. And also thank you Ren for giving your time. This was an amazing interview. I knew Ren came from Wales but I didn't realize just how small of a community he lived in. Just goes to show exactly how driven he is and I'm here for that. Best artist in the world in my eyes right now and the best is still yet to come. We all know it.
Definitely agree with you. Has to be the best current artist. So damn unique and versatile. All round amazing person, love all his stuff from the rap to the rock to the sheer storytelling ability.
@@johnsearing9736 I'm just halfway through this video and man does my heart go out him hearing about his illness and psychosis. I knew he'd been through some hardship but my god I'd no idea how bad he had it. He really is inspirational, to know he's gone through so much and still has blessed us with this unparalleled level of talent is beyond amazing. Like you said, a generational talent. The more youth that hear this man's story the better, it's the type of motivation a lot of people need to be exposed to. Including myself, it's really after putting some things in perspective for me.
Jean I hear you on that. I have epilepsy so it goes without saying when I come out of a seizure my brain is all over the place and when I'm at my most vulnerable ya know ?
What draws people to Ren is the absolute authenticity of his art. It's real, unapologetic, raw...in a world filled with performances, his art is decidedly raw truth, his truth sure, but there is empowerment in that.
He broke into tears in Rosalie's interview and almost broke in this one aswell. This dude's a music genius but also has a heart of gold and needs to be protected at all costs.
You are too Becca , love watching your reactions. They're always so insightful and real - its obvious how much of you it takes to put these out. So much respect ( and thanks) to you for doing so ❤
@@simonpowell8608 thank you, Simon, it really fills my soul to know people can enjoy and connect with them. Spent way too long doubting whether I had anything worthwhile to contribute to the world, or even to this space, but the reception has been totally surreal and I’m overwhelmed with gratitude.
In this world of fast media consumption and minute attention spans, I just devoured an entire 1 hour and 49 minute long interview like it was a hollywood blockbuster. I think that says a lot about you both.
I've rarely enjoyed an interview as much as this one. i was riveted the whole time. Thank you! Most interviewers speak over their guests, interrupt them and ask redundant questions and it's so annoying.
Imagine if this interview had been performed by Jimmy Fallon instead, Ren wouldn't have gotten to finish a single sentence. Super chill interview and as many others said it's amazing how you gave Ren so much space for his thoughts and reflections. Great work!
This is just brilliant, Ren just putting out himself so transparently, telling the full story of his early years (as much as he can in a limited time), showing how much of an introvert he is (it is more obvious now since he is being interviewed, rather than hosting so he doesn't need to be engaging, don't be fooled by the machine gun talking, focus on the way that he talks, as if he is explaining it to himself really, and reassessing his past analysis on the subject). And how deep he thinks about everything (one can assume that he is more of a guy driven by emotions because of his music but the way he combines this with thinking and scientific facts etc.), just brilliant.
Yeah I was picking up on how much he was avoiding looking at the camera when he spoke. Then he was talking about how introverted he is as a person and it made perfect sense to me. It's wild cos I would've never pinned him as an introvert from the way he acts in his music videos. Just proves that Justin was correct saying that he would make a great actor.
@@himynameis3664 I noticed this too. Super interesting! And as a fellow introverted ADHD person I realize I do this as well, partly because looking at someone when talking/explaining stuff easily makes me lose my track of thought due to that extra stimuli, which can be very distracting. I've found that some people take it the wrong way though and interpret it as being uninterested/rude which is unfortunate.
@@jennythescreech Sorry to hear you suffer with your ADHD. I have pretty bad epilepsy and it's just such a pain having to account for it before I plan anything. So many jobs I can't be employed in, haven't been able get a driving license and just some general things most people would take for granted. Any illness of the mind sucks so much so I feel for you. Truly hope you can find some comfort for yourself ❤️🙏
@@jennythescreech oh thank you Jenny! You just fitted in another piece of the ADHD puzzle for me. I'm 58yo and only recently diagnosed with ADHD and ASD and still learning to understand some things.
As a massive fan of Ren whose artistry resonates with me, as it does for so many of us; it always humbles me when I see interviews with him and realise that I relate to him on such a personal level too. The ADHD, also being from a small welsh village, escaped to the city when i was in my teens but being overwhelmed with the big city of London, chronic illness and mental health issues... the biggest difference is that finding Ren's music has contributed massively to my recovery from those things. He's more than a musician. More than an artist even. He's an inspiration and I'm so grateful to have found his work. Ren, you will eternally have my gratitude. Thank you 🫶
As the mom of 2 musicians in the making (one is 19 and the other is 17), both of whom play guitar, the part about how Ren learned to play his guitar was absolutely fascinating.
this was beautiful. Amazing to get an artist to artist interview come out so raw and authentic especially with artists from different generations, genres and backgrounds. Thanks to both Ren and Justin for being so honest, vulnerable and transparent
I just can't get over how much Ren looks like Cillian Murphy, and how young he looks for early 30's! Found him late... I guess, through Hi Ren which was randomly pushed to me by Google, outstanding talent.
Elizabeth of the “Charismatic Voice”, a classically trained professional opera singer, and a lover of all kinds of singing voices, had said something about Ren’s classical guitar style. She said that it was classical in form and structure, whether he was aware of it or not. As a visual artist myself, the discussion of the artist’s intention fascinates me. It's even more prevalent in music where the listener brings their own meanings and emotions to the song. Or, what makes a composition classical? This a great interview. Ren should also sit down and talk with Elizabeth. I believe that you have had tea with Elizabeth, haven't you?
This was really well done. One thing I appreciate is that you let the guest answer the questions without interrupting. So many people doing interviews on youtube or podcasts seem more interested in hearing themselves speak. It was great hearing Ren explain his backstory because he is right, people tend to fill in the gaps with guesses instead of the facts. I'm glad he was able to tell it and I'm glad you gave him an opportunity to. Keep up the good work.
I thought so too - having the time to explain things and express thoughts! Thanks to both of you! Intelligent questions- answered in the best way. Ren: all the best for you 👍👏👏👏👍
He did let Ren answer for the most part, but he did interrupt him several times (started thinking he had "Oprah syndrome" ). Do appreciate the fact that Ren got to explain and get his story told for the most part :)
Ive actually never heard of Ren, but ill definitely check him out. Seems like a cool, genuine guy. Ive been there with the health issues and intense fatigue, and all i can say is its incredible that he got through it and got back to his career.
He’s absolutely amazing I found him recently, and his range of talents leaves me awestruck and him being such a humble real person just makes it all so much better
He’s absolutely amazing I found him recently, and his range of talents leaves me awestruck and him being such a humble real person just makes it all so much better
As a fellow long-term sufferer of ME/CFS I have to say that Ren's description and explanation of the experience and difficulty in getting a definitive diagnosis was spot on. 💫
With you on that. He’s got it so spot on. I only discovered him this morning; but he’s got a lifelong fan in me already! Sending you love on your ME/cfs journey.
Like a lot of people I'm coming to Ren later in his output and revelling in his back catalogue. And like most people I'm asking myself why I didn't find him earlier. Thank you Justin for displaying the sensitivity and understanding to let Ren express himself so eloquently. Both legends.
As a 56 year old, the hyperpolarization of the recent world has really taken a toll on my mental health and positivity. As many do, I struggle with the constant battle with depression, and had shut down most of the internets. Somehow a month ago, The Justin Hawkins channel showed up as a recommendation, and Hi Ren. I first got even more depressed that I feel like I've missed out on so much. The Darkness is insane! And Hi Ren had me in tears. Good tears. This interview and the two of you, beyond the music/art, have given me hope in humanity, and our compassion towards one anothe. I can't stop listening to The Darkness, so watch for those streaming pennies to go up this month amigo! Ren, can't wait for the Apple TV Ren produced original series! There is hope in the world. Through The Darkness, I found some light. Thank you both.❤
This boy is disarmingly genuine: such a massive artist and comprehensive mind one can just stare speechless at! God bless him, he's a true gift to mankind! ❤🔥
I guess when you're writing music and as obsessed with it as he is you're bound to gain so much general knowledge in anything from just vocabulary to researching things to write about. Btw I'm not saying it's a bad thing just in case it comes across that way, I love Ren's music and he seems like a great person to talk to.
I have been fascinated to see the diversity of Ren fans. Particularly with Hi Ren, I see so many different people being equally touched by the song. It's a wonderful thing to behold, this reminder that we are all human.
Yes, any form of brain inflammation or brain injury creates inconsistencies. That is what I find to be the most problematic about my brain injury. Waves, yes. On my best days I can defeat 1000 level chess players. On my worst, mere beginners rated 100 beat me. It is extremely frustrating. Music is probably the thing that helped my recovery, the most. I find your journey to be extremely inspiring. Thank you, Ren.
I love Ren.... the raw genuine emotion he brings makes you want to connect to him. He is transparent and real.... in a very fake world he is gold. Brilliant interview. Loving Justin too. 😉
Ren, you're getting bs from your doctor's office. It is incurable. Period. I take tons of antihistamines, and I have the allergy symptoms. I will be 60 in September. Had Lyme 23 years and all my expert said it couldn't be cured any longer......so sleep 15 hours a night, eat healthy and avoid stress. And he really is an expert on Lyme. 2 blood tests are required for a real diagnosis is an IGg and an iGm. Then you have to find a specialty lab to do the work . Have you been to the USA? All the experts are here. And Ren, you're going to live beyond 50 years. I'm still here! Maybe because I sleep a lot, I don't know. See an infectious disease doctor. You need narcotics for the pain, and accept your fate, as I have done. Just trying to help, honey.
Ren, I’m a songwriter just coming into my own at age “61.” I put off my music passion for years, by chasing money, and my career. I spent 22 years as a school counselor, so your Hi Ren video resonated with me on multiple levels. I had an empathetic response and connective reaction to your craft. I love creating music. I’ve shared your video with friends…some who just don’t get it. I do. It’s interesting about feeling you need to make it before age 30. Hopefully I’ll break that stereotype. Love your stuff!
Jim, I just wanted to chime in here. I think too many people talk themselves out of chasing their dreams because of the stigma of age. Someone who has avoided chasing their dreams for years or decades is also likely to adopt the false narrative of "being past their time" as it sadly gives them an excuse accepted by society for why they shouldn't try. I think more than anything, that is probably why it might not be seen as much. So the false narrative becomes perpetual. Bravo to you for rejecting that excuse. Stay positive in your dialogue with yourself. Self encouragement is often the secret sauce that separates those that push through, and those that dont. And I think the interview we just watched confirms the value, level of impact, and the real need for authenticity. Be you in all your glory. People are starved for authenticity. When someone like Ren comes along and is transparent in their craft, and boldly vulnerable, it ignites something in people that attracts them and draws them in. They notice something authentic, something relatable. And they feel driven to explore the source of that authenticity, not only to learn more about the artist or individual, but to learn more about themselves. Write for yourself. Create what you feel in your heart. I wish you the best of luck. The universe is cheering you on. Never forget that.
@3dChris What a warm, intelligent and encouraging comment you made to Jim. And I agree with your view wholeheartedly. This sometimes hostile world needs more people like you in it, Chris. All the best, mate.
@@TVC15ohoh Wow, thank you so much. That was such a touching comment. Thank you for taking the time to say that. I truly believe we are all one. We are the universe becoming aware of itself, experiencing itself, through each of our individual perspectives. At the root, we are one consciousness. So you helping someone else is the same as you helping me. That’s why when we do random acts of kindness it actually makes ourselves feel the love. It’s all reciprocal. Your kind words written to me are just as much of a reflection of yourself as well. Give someone a hug today. Keep that vibe flowing. ;)
I found Ren a week ago and it's hard to believe he couldn't sing well and was racked with nerves in his early years. He seems so confident. He has done nothing but blow my mind since I found him. I'm big on kindness and respect. He's kindness is only matched by his skill. The Brits are absolutely killing it in the entertainment industry. My favorite actors are British and Ren has earned my respect so quickly. I think he should make "Sick Boi" into a rock opera, like The Who. Ren's potential is off the charts. I can't get enough. Great interview Mr. Hawkins!!
As a ME/CFS sufferer, Ren's description of the main symptoms of the illness are very accurate. Each person's ME/CFS symptoms/experiences can be very different, but the main symptoms are similar. My ME/CFS supposedly came from a bout of pnuemonia when I was 6 years old. Diagnosis of ME/CFS is very hit and miss. I was finally diagnosed at 45.
Another person with ME/CFS here! I suspect mine came from already having POTS, hEDS, and/or other health issues slowly worsening in my teens and then getting a huge body breakdown through PTSD and potentially stress induced psychosis. My health took a turn when I was 15 and I got a diagnosis at 19, which I currently am, through a VERY lucky break with a neurologist. Due to the new hallmark symptom criteria it's easy to hope it's something else, but Ren is so right - it can be something else *and* be ME/CFS, and even if other things are curable ME/CFS isn't (though is sometimes treatable in some partial ways). Hearing that from him was incredible, honestly, even as someone who has gotten used to living like this.
Was an absolute pleasure chatting to you Mr Hawkins!! Thanks for having me
Spent many years visiting Anglesey.Going to look for the shop that is no more in Dwyran next time I’m there!.
you are a great artist Ren, never give up ❤
So excited for this interview ❤
Such a creative and original young man. Like nothing I've ever heard before. Thanks, Ren
Ren you are Amazing ,I love you ❤❤❤
I knew Ren growing up when we were very young and I can say with great confidence he is exactly who he says he is, I think that is a factor why his music is doing so well. Not only is his music fantastic he is 110% himself, no smoke and mirrors and that is what makes him so relatable. He is and is going to go down as one of the great singer songwriters from the UK. I love his music and so does my 6 year old, and he found him on his own not through me showing him. Very proud to see someone who grew up were we did in the middle of nowhere become what he has. Your the man Ren!
Love this comment ❤
Yeah my five year old is also as in love with REN’s art as I. She really takes in the words and explains her interpretations to me, especially about money, she blew my mind telling me “Mummy REN is saying some people have lots of money like daddy, and they might not be very nice, and some people have not much money like you, and that’s not fair, people should share more”. A beautiful, innocent child’s interpretation of RENs words. He can reach the heart of a child and mother equally. She always asks me if he is still poorly too. I hope REN knows how many hearts he touches and he even has 5 year olds checking on his health journey.
Ren!! Come 2 Glasgow!!!
@@Io-Io-Io Bored?
@@Io-Io-Io 100% hes always on my phone using it for youtube. So that where he probably stumbled on him but he never showed me or anything. But me and my wife were sat in the bedroom one night and we could hear our boy sat in his bedroom singing along to his IPad to Chalk Lines. I went to ask him who’s this and he started showing me all Rens songs lol now he thinks I’m a cool dad since I told him I grew up with Ren and went to school with him hahaha not that I hang out with anymore or anything like that lol
My theory: Ren’s is so attractive to people nowadays because he is delivering something we all crave whether we realize it or not: authenticity. In a world of fake sh*t everywhere and 24/hrs a day (courtesy the net) - brutal, honest authenticity is an antidote the audience wants. Ren is real.
Spot on
True ‼️
I also believe it’s the small village upbringing that creates people like Ren. They aren’t all caught up in the glitz and glamour and bullshit of big cities
I'll say, a BREATH OF FRESH AIR AMID ALL THE BULL!
Well done Justin. You gave Ren space to talk. A rare thing.
Totally agree.
Haha so true so many interviews with him I’ve seen just have the host talking for 50% of the time lol
For those of us with ADHD, pattern recognition can often be our super power, and it seems this is so for Ren ❤
My son is that way. He loves forensics, and he can look (with no training) at drops of blood and tell what happened because he will hyperfocus until it is solved. His ADHD is severe, which is probably why my taste in music resonates in him, more than his dad's. Because mine is the crazy algorithm gif.
Ren is the Musical star the world has needed for such a long time now!
My wife and I watched this sharing a bottle of wine with the same excitement as watching a Saturday night movie, I loss count how many times she said, "He's so adorable " lol we both love you Ren ❤ and can't wait for the day you are on stage.
Justin, this was a double bonus for us as 'I believe in a thing called love ' was our wedding song back in 2006. ❤❤
I'm very jealous! I wish i had a partner who shares my love for the same music.
@@Amy-Loves-You Me too!
Me too
She likes that FAS look ... 🤔
@@StevenRockwoodyou’re not that rude in real life I hope
Ren is a super interesting dude but let's not discount the quality of Justin's interviewing style. Really natural, well researched and very personable.
I have ADHD and I can really feel the amphetamines in this conversation
@@nathanialmunro2396 100%
Agreed, he's an excellent interviewer.
100%
Reminds me of a Russel Brand-esk interview style. Very conscientious and articulate. Loved it
It's funny that this video came out 10 months ago, but now it shows up in my algorithm after I recently discovered "Hi Ren." It's incredible to me to hear Ren basically confirm the feelings I get from that song. I have listened to it once a day since I first heard it. And what's weirder is, I went through something similar, yet different. In elementary school, I almost off-ed myself. And I told myself that if high school wound up worse than that, I would eventually go through with it... I had resigned myself to never living past 18yo. High School wound up being the best time of my life. I met my wife there. We have 3 kids and a quaint home near our family, so I am eternally grateful that I didn't... but it does leave me without answers in life, at my current age. I'm actually the same age as Ren (33-34). I never imagined what life would look like at this age. Ever. So, it's uncharted territory. It's exciting, sure, but it's also anxiety inducing. It's like taking the most difficult test in the world with absolutely no prep... Or, the easiest test in the world, but in a language you can't comprehend...
I'm impressed at Justin's laid back interview, just letting Ren tell his story, top class!
That's because he genuinely wanted to hear his story!! ❤
while interrupting him every other sentence? lol
Idk, he wasn't redirecting Ren in mid topic. I found that when he did give his input or ask a question, it was because he could relate to what Ren was saying or what Ren was saying had intrigued him, and he wanted to know more. To me, that's called a conversation. To go even further, this is a typical conversation between two neurodivergent minded people.
@@gypsysouldier yet, ren only did it once, and said "pardon me" afterwards
@Quietus Forgotten absolutely. Ren was a guest on Justin's show and respected that dynamic. There is a decent age difference between the two. I feel like Justin respects Ren's musicianship, and after a point in the interview, he really wanted to just shoot the shit with Ren as an equal. Ren being younger than Justin, and maybe not used to that level of recognition recorded for the world to see acted like the humble person that he is.
Ren is a beautiful soul. Could listen to his ADHD rambles for days, he has so much to say and it's all worth listening too.
When you have adhd, it's not rambles, it's normal.😂
Just continual shittalking like any one of a number of benefit cheating chancers I hear on an almost daily basis.
@@darkmoondrops truth! I call it a glimpse into my thoughts
@@darkmoondrops I have it myself aha. I'm either saying nothing off in my own world or I'm rattling off a million words a minute lol
He has Lyme disease
Complete honesty, clarity of thought and intelligence. This was a magnetically riveting watch, which crossed the complete emotional circumference for me. Thanks so much Ren and Justin for a discussion which will long resonate with me.
The fact that Ren called Justin ‘Mr. Hawkins’ has slain me 😊
Oh, brother, from another fighter of chronic neurological Lyme, MCAS, PANDAS/PANS, assorted mental health conditions, and a similarly long list we don’t need to dive into fully, I’m in tears watching you describe a journey that hits so close to home. Seriously SO MANY similarities. Thank you for continuing to fight and bless this world with your presence. Fighting alongside you and believing we will all find a cure.
If youre the person I think u are, I love your reactions.
(I can't really be bothered to check rn lol)
@@P_B_FR Yep, it’s me, no worries about checking, I gotchu.😉🖖🏼 And thank you, that means so much to me.💕
Lymie and co. here as well, fighting alongside you and Ren. Yes we will find a cure. Hanging on for it. 💚💚💚
Two minds think alike Becca, how's the baby steps going💃
💞
Just found you today!!!!! As someone who lives in chronic pain & has been ignored, not believed, seen by so many professionals, in and out of hospital all the time and no answers, thank you because I could relate to everything you spoke about and in your songs! I’m 44 it’s been a long time and I do lock myself away. I have become so lonely because no one understands and they all get so frustrated which yes effects your health in a way no one can understand… thank you for talking. Thank you for your songs I only literally found you couple hours ago and the 3 songs I have just listened to was like wow someone feels the same
I don’t know you but I wish the best , I self isolated myself once and your correct in the belief that it effects your health, good luck with everything your not alone in this world even though it may seem like that sometimes. Peace
I can so relate! I have chronic lyme. I chronic pain every day for 16 years plus So many other horrific symptoms. No one believed me either. It makes the suffering so much harder 😢
Ren is a once in a generation talent. What an absolute treat to hear from the man himself!
Right!? I love him even more!
Thanks for bringing chronic illnesses like ME and Lyme to a wider audience. I wish you well.
German woman here for the definition of the german word Zeitgeist. It is a word for all ideas, thoughts, spirits and goals that are typical for people who are living in the same period of time. Examples: 60's: flowerpower, peace movement, make love not war, 80's: environment movement, getting away from nuclear power. So no 'time travelling' 😂.
Well, hi Ren, I saw you on the internet half a year ago for the first time. And I loved everything I saw and heard since then.
I suffer from rheumatism since I was 19, now I am 61 with 2 knee implants and a medicine called Metotrexat which comes out of cancer treatment, on a weekly basis.
Your art and the fact that and how you talk about your health openly, is so important for all the lost suffering souls out there.
Keep on doing your thing whenever your health situation allows it. Love ❤.
Fabulous interview. As a 50+ man I thought I knew what music I liked, Indie, punk, Stoner Rock, alt rock. I really didn’t believe that, at my age this would ever change, but what REN is doing now has blown my mind. I realised that I had pretty much stopped listening to new music and REN has totally changed this - Thanks for that REN.
Dude, I’m 50 and have 5 version of Dopesmoker in my record collection and in 2023 my Spotify Wrapped is going to be Ren and Chinchilla. My daughters are trying to figure out what happened to me. 🤣🤣🤣
@@jeffwilson3205😂❤
So happy to hear Ren looking forward to his 50s, 60s, and 70s, after not thinking he’d be here long.
I thought that too. He got me when he had a painful moment remembering when he thought he didn't have many years left, it was a good save by Justin bringing him back to the present moment
On the other hand in one of Kurt Cobain’s last interviews, he said he looked forward to being in his 70s like Neil Young and still playing his songs
It's great news isn't it!? It's like when he said the "peak" of his illness, like he's through it now. And what do you know : he managed to make it through just when he's beginning to be noticed! So after years of doing nothing but practise while claiming benefits, now he's making money and he's healed. It's a miracle!!!
@@bantacommander8744 he's not healed though, he's much recovered but as he said in one of his Community posts, the damage is far worse than originally thought, some of it irrevocable and even in this interview he said he still suffers with illness/debilitating fatigue and has to have periods of rest between the activities we get to see
@@Veeliscious Yes, I've heard plenty of benefit cheats in my line of work, and they all seem to have plenty of strength, stamina and drive until it's time for work: then they're either spent or just too "ill."
Trust me, no matter what you or anyone else say, and even though I understand you're coming from a good place, my mind cannot be changed. I've personally witnessed this type a thousand times or more. Thank you for taking the time to reply though.
I’m a 73yro female who has been following Ren for about a year The first I heard of him was in a musical review of Hi Ren. His lyrics are so captivating! The story behind the performance has made me appreciate “Hi Ren” even more! Thanks for asking the hard questions. I enjoyed your interview!!
I'm a 61 yo woman -- and what she said... Same story. ❤
Everything about Ren is astonishing. He's completely reinvigorated my optimism that even in today's industry climate, stunning voices can emerge and rise far above the fray. He's also completely adorable. I mean, come on.
I think we're all at least a bit in love with Ren 😊
@@char_lou Exactly, I am too and I'm a 70 yr old man. (It's all good though, the wife approves, lol).
@@AlSnoopsReid Right, that's enough internet for me today.
Brilliant interview! What an intelligent, humble and engaging young man Ren is. Refreshingly honest, doesn't avoid answering personnel questions and isn't looking for sympathy. Ren, I wish you every success and a healthy future!
He totally is though.
Might as well walk around with a "Poor Me" placard.
@@bantacommander8744 guessing you didn’t listen to it and just went straight in for the snide comment
@@bantacommander8744 But he isn't. He's telling his story and being vulnerable. Not once has he ever asked for pity (implicitly or otherwise). The world needs more transparency when it comes to mental health. And he is doing it through music.
well said
So true. Excellent comment.
I can identify with Ren's brain and I'm a 60 year old woman. I could never be put in a box either. I wanted to do everything and have a brain that is both very creative & very inquisitive. Never diagnosed with ADHD but sounds about right. lol. Where I do always feel most at peace with myself is in music & nature. Two things that I always say set the human spirit free. Ren reminds me of someone like Van Gogh or Davinci. He is an artist in every sense of the word and born to do exactly what he is doing. He connects to people of ALL ages because he expresses a truth about the human condition that we all can relate to. No one gets through this life pain free. Ren is a rare gem in the music industry, and his message is needed!
Does ren have a girlfriend?
Perfectly put.
What an eloquent talented little dude! Note to self: If you ever see Ren coming out of a store, don't go all fangirly at him. Accept that he's stepped out of his performer suit and leave him the hell alone. (That would be tough to do, I'm not gonna lie. But now I know - and if he's ever in Houston, Texas - I'll commit to doing that for him.) Thanks, Justin, for such a great interview. :)
When you're a songwriter, the best thing about watching Ren (in any format really) is that he makes you want to stop what you are doing and create something immediately. His energy is just infectious like that.
I couldn't agree more
words right out of my mouth
I actually did exactly that before now coming back and read your comment. 😅😅
No pun intended right?
Exactly! And that infectious vibe caught my ear listening and watching Big Push.
I’m another 50+ man who’s come across with your music in 2024. You keep blowing my mind with your music, poetry and how you combine the two. It’s unique and exceptional. I hope your health continues improving and we’ll see more from you online AND I look forward to experiencing your magic live. Hopefully, already in 2025. Thank you 🙏 for everything!
I put this interview on with the intention of doing mundane stuff at the same time as listening, but i havent done a single damn thing, just sat here completely captivated, fascinated, enthralled. Ren is a once in a generation artist and I feel privileged that I'm here to witness it, he deserves every success heading his way.
Exactly what I was meant to be doing, just pottering about and what not on a Sunday afternoon etc. 😅 Still sat here enthralled.
I was just noticing the same thing and I am only 15 minutes in. haha
same here...
Agree, he’s in a class of his own. Also just wrote another comment about not getting anything done or doing anything else today, as my ears are captured here for the weekend I think 😂
My mom called when I was halfway through and talked for half an hour and I got so pissed lol
I have PANDAS and Lyme disease. This is the first time I have ever heard anyone put into words exactly how I feel.
I just discoverd Ren about 3 hours ago, listened to about 10 songs from him and am now listening to this interview. I never experienced to love someones music so deeply and like it's creator so much in this short of time before..
i have just experienced the same thing. He's a phenomenon
idem moi hier incroyable ce jeune homme quel talent brillant génie très cultivé également et adorable on ne peu que l'aimé je lui souhaite tout le bonheur du monde longue vie 🙏👍👏💖🇫🇷
Tis is my story too
What a talent! A modern day Bard! and JHRA gained a new subscriber too 🙂
I just discovered him too and I’m now reading and watching interviews and videos. Incredibly talented guy.
Lol that's me this very moment. An hour and a half in the deep dive.
This young man is personification of everything I find pertinent.
I am eternally grateful I found him.
Oh, that's exactly how I feel! Thank you for putting it in words.
Yep...i agree with with both of you...cheers from Holland😉🤟🏻
London is an absolute soul crusher. No wonder why he prefers Brighton. Brighton is a nice place to live, indeed.
I'm older...57...and I love this kid. Although his style isn't my norm, the stories he tells are amazingly relatable. Back in the day, Pink Floyd's The Wall was easily my favorite. So I see some of that in his work. The mental path they both follow. Not that he imitates at all, just that same vein. Well wishes for him in his career and in his health. Great interview. He seems so authentic in a fake world. I'm a fan.
As a lady in my 50's that appreciate all genres of music and talent, Ren is my favorite, I only stumbled onto Ren after reinstalling UA-cam about 3 weeks ago, love you Ren, you talent moves and inspire so many people, thank you for sharing yourself with the world. ❤😊😊❤
After getting COVID 1.5 years ago I have been suffering daily from ME/CFS. At the age of 26 it has flipped my entire life upside down. I feel like nobody wants to hear about it and it has been a very lonely journey for me. It really meant a lot to me when I discovered one of my favourite artists suffers from similar daily struggles and is very vocal about it.
I don't think people realize how devastating this is on both body and mind. Quality of life is significantly reduced but nobody around you can see the suffering. Most people think im just "stressed" or "tired". Having a person with a following openly validate and acknowledge it is much appreciated.
I even reached out to Ren on one of his Music videos to ask him something about his illness and he was kind enough to take the time to respond.
❤ much love & big hug for you! 🍀🐞
dont give up, you never know you could spontaneously go into remission tomorrow. i would urge you to find a good specialist tho, they can try antivirals and such that may make you feel better
I got something similar following another viral infection. I was 28 then. Too fatigued to do much, couldn’t think straight or concentrate. People could not understand. There are virtual support groups for ME/CFS- join one. Be patient. You will climb out of this….eventually
Hang in there. The support groups are great. Helps me with the mental beatdown I give myself regularly. Hope you feel better soon. You are young and the body is pretty amazing. ❤
Ive only recently got into Rens music and every track blows my mind, i listen once, then again and again and im like "what the hell have i just listened to?" so listen again trying to fit it into a genre which i cant, its just musical genius.
Here in the U.S. it's Mental Health Awareness Month, and I happened to hear "Hi Ren" for the first time. THIS ARTIST NEEDS TO BE ENCOURAGED TO KEEP DOING WHAT HE DOES.
Oddly enough, it’s also Lyme Awareness Month!!! So fitting as Lyme Disease and mental health go hand and hand! ❤
It's mental health awareness in NZ as well. Funny thing is that I'm aware of mental healh and the struggle every month. Cheers Pete
@Pete inspire Me too, 365 days a year. Shoutout to you from over here in Minnesota! WE GOT THIS! ❤️
As someone who battles and lives with chronic depression, general anxiety disorder and suicidal thoughts while holding down a job. I look up to Ren, I'm much older, but he is an inspiration for me. His music makes me feel like my thoughts are normalized. I'm thankful for that.
I’ve lived with that since I was 21 and I’m 46 today. The only difference is that I have no talent whatsoever!
Good on you Ren!
@@lynnpatenaude5548 you have talent! We all have some talent, some are just dripping with it though.
Thx for this comment!
Same. It took my a long time to find formal words to call it but I was 10 the first time I realized thoughts of the later issue were not standard. The way he described a pendulum constantly swaying / an eternal dance at the end of Hi Ren really spoke for me as I have said something like that, though not so eloquently, many times years after I found the words to call it. Big difference is, when I first noted not a fight to win, I found it daunting to consider I would dance for the rest of my days in exhaustion. In time I did learn the dance but still felt that despair at the prospect. How he positioned it in that monologue shifted my mindset for the first time in (when do we start the clock?) years. I've done a lot of work to learn the dance but what his example did to shift my mindset is immeasurable by comparison.
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I'm 22 and unsure about my future because of depression and mental illness, just found out about Ren and pretty much wanted to be him when i get older. Amazing human being and you can clearly see he is 100 percent who he says he is. What a pure soul despite his challenges. You inspire us Ren!
33 years old?! I’m shocked I assumed he was around 19. Ren is an incredibly talented young man. Animal Flow is an absolute hit!
Right !?!?!? Im sitting here "Man, kids these days are talented on a different level" then boom turns out he was out of diapers before I was born
33 years brings wisdom especially with his truth of reality
Same,
I'm 66 and thought he was a baby still!
I thought he was 27 from the Hi Ren video (and I was surprised he was as old as 27 too), my mind is blown... I didn't buy that he's a 90s kid but I guess he is.
I'm 62 and love this man for what he is creating. Thanks Justin for introducing him to me.
Justin's a really sweet, chill dude man and Ren's an absolute legend in the making. Big love to both 💚
Agreed!❤
What a refreshing thing it is to experience authenticity and creativity in large amounts. What a blessing.
Hearing Ren talk about ME brought a tear to my eye, it's never talked about, no one knows it exist and when you talk about they just think you're depressed meanwhile you can't even explain your symptoms due to the immense brain fog. Thank you for asking that questions and spreading awareness, it truly means a lot!
Mr. Hawkins, I agree Ren would make a brilliant actor!
Ren was how I discovered Justin’s UA-cam channel. As I listen to the interview, I noticed Justin was generous in allowing Ren to talk. Ren has so much to say, this interview provided an opportunity to understand Ren’s experience. Ren seems like such a lovely guy who’s been through so much, he uses his experiences to create lyrically brilliant songs. His words have touched me on a profound level. I appreciate his music. Thank you.🙏🏻
As soon as I heard him talk about mirror neurons I jumped out of my seat. I love how well rounded his knowledge is. He is an amazing artist, you can see how much he research stuff on the clues he leaves in his videos, the iconography he uses, his quotes and rhymes. I'm so happy I discovered his music, like at the end of February, wish it happened sooner 'cause I haven't been this excited for an artist for a looooong time. I've spent the last months obsessing everyone I know about him.
Yea, And did you hear him talk about his reading? Aldus Huxley, George Orwell, Kurt Vonnegut. /his condition meant he had a lot of time on his hands but he clearly didn't waste it.
@@briankeniry219 yeeessss!! that's it. You said that, he didn't waisted his time.
I'm so inspired by his strength, Ren is out of this world for real.
At around 20:25 when Ren starts talking about “seeing patterns” when he plays that’s such a neuro divergent trait that a lot of us have. It’s like a cool superpower thing especially when you recognize it and gain the ability to use it. Whether it’s ADHD, Autism or any other ND thing.
For me at first it was all gobbledygook until the pieces started to click together like a giant jigsaw puzzle. Add the hyper focus and you begin to see how a lot of us are musicians, actors, dancers and emergency medical providers. We see things most don’t.
Love the interview it was like two new friends getting to know each other and those are the best kind.❤
As another person that has all the weird syndromes that make doctors throw their hands up, I’m amazed at Ren. That he is able to do all that he does while dealing with health problems, he’s truly inspiring.
In my experience, it seems to be from over prescription of flux antibiotics that seems to cause me/cfs.
Agreed! I’m a chaos machine of symptoms and autoimmune diseases, and I’m lucky if I can dress and brush my teeth every day - and then there’s Ren 💪🏽💕.
@@nadiariggs5110best comment EVA!
About 3/4 in when answering the question about why people are drawn to your music. I think a big component is the vulnerability you make public, you are so personable and genuine in your communication through music that your fans build a bond through that vulnerability. They get to know you in a deeper sense as the outlet of all your termoile, but in return that makes them feel safe enough to reciprocate and share their stories with you. I think its a social contruct similar to the mirror neuron, people are seeing you bear your pain out in the open. They see that courage and they respect the sharing of that vulnerability, and that ends up a) why you get so many intense meet and greets, b) how so many people can become so deeply connected to you that all of the sudden every piece you have ever made is listened to and part of the shared journey.
I am a teacher in USA and sometimes when I can't sleep at night I just go through youtube music. I am in my 50's but love and respect authentic musicians. Stumbled onto Hi REN and was just blown away by how raw and painful it was and knew many of my middle school students probably would have really related to be torn mentally like this. Was really glad to find this interview and to see how healthy REN is now. Thank you for this
I'm also in my 50s and blown away by Ren's mad talents. I'm fascinated with the way Ren has affected such a wide range of people, noticeably others my age and upwards. So many shared the experience of watching Hey Ren for the first time, reacting in such an unexpected way as I did. I was utterly transfixed, mouth open from beginning to end. I've never been so viscerally moved on hearing a piece of music for the first time. The raw emotion in the song was tangible. You didn't just hear it, you felt it with every fibre of your being Magical...
I'm also 56. I'm blown away by him.x
I’m 61, but a teen at heart! Your students are so lucky. Ren is amazing. The fact that he appeals to all ages especially adults our age speaks volumes. I hope he realizes his dreams of the musical Netflix series! Someone needs to help him produce that!
Same here 54 I would have a hard time naming 3 current music artists. I have been saying what happened to popular music after the 90s
Me too except I'm a fair bit older lol!
My Sister was diagnosed with ME when she was 8 and was hospitalized for close to 6 months. in that time i don't think she was ever tested for Lyme disease. she has had problems like you describe for YEARS.. Needless to say i sent her a message to get tested. Thank you for sharing this @RenMakesMusic !!!!!
If only everybody listened to each other with such respect, wisdom and empathy.
My feeling exactly. Well put, Carrie.
I've now decided that the best interviews with musicians should be done by other musicians. You ask the best questions with the perfect amount of behind the scene/underground knowledge. Loved this so much, thank you!
I couldn't agree more!!
Yep. 100%. You nailed it. I never really thought about that before this comment. D'uh.
An experienced musician really can relate and ask the right questions. Consequentially, we can soak up the reality. So good. 👍🏻😀🇬🇧
Since JH did this interview, Ren has become really quite famous and done a number of interviews with various reactors etc, but this is still hands down the best by far. I had no intention of listening again to JH interviewing Ren but it came on automatically via auto play whilst I was cooking supper and it’s just gripping. This is a brilliant interview, well done Justin as a fellow artist, I think you were given a window into Ren that no one else has managed to pass through.
What an eloquent and insightful guy Ren is; Justin and Ren vibe together brilliantly
It’s kind of cute seeing Ren nervous and so anxious to say so many things.
This is exactly what my ADHD is energy looks like when I’m a little nervous or excited. Or to quote EDB, “nerve-cited”.
SOMEONE GIVE THIS MAN A HUG! His teary eyes are killing me 😢
I like Ren even more now. Very down-to-earth & humble. Seems like a genuinely nice guy. Wish him the best.
As an Englishman living in beautiful Wales, I'm so chuffed that Ren is putting his country on the map. Ren is a genuine, down to earth genius who deserves every success he gets.
Ditto
Excellent interview from two legends. I was diagnosed with CFS after a nasty case of glandula fever. It was horrible and took away a good 2 years of my life. I was almost medically retired from a steady job at the ripe old age of 21. Even now, 20 odd years later my body struggles to fight the common cold sometimes without exhaustion. It sucks. I ended up going through CBT (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) which gave me coping mechanisms which I use to this day. Ren is an amazing dude to have gone through all this and still made himself the success he has. Thanks for this video. Much love to all.
Justin thank you soooo much for doing this interview. And also thank you Ren for giving your time. This was an amazing interview. I knew Ren came from Wales but I didn't realize just how small of a community he lived in. Just goes to show exactly how driven he is and I'm here for that. Best artist in the world in my eyes right now and the best is still yet to come. We all know it.
Definitely agree with you. Has to be the best current artist. So damn unique and versatile. All round amazing person, love all his stuff from the rap to the rock to the sheer storytelling ability.
Couldn't agree more . Generational talent is what I tell my family n friends.
@@johnsearing9736 I'm just halfway through this video and man does my heart go out him hearing about his illness and psychosis. I knew he'd been through some hardship but my god I'd no idea how bad he had it. He really is inspirational, to know he's gone through so much and still has blessed us with this unparalleled level of talent is beyond amazing. Like you said, a generational talent. The more youth that hear this man's story the better, it's the type of motivation a lot of people need to be exposed to. Including myself, it's really after putting some things in perspective for me.
Having ADHD myself I’m always interested in how people find workarounds. Sort of like I know the ending how do I get there 😂
Jean I hear you on that. I have epilepsy so it goes without saying when I come out of a seizure my brain is all over the place and when I'm at my most vulnerable ya know ?
Thanks for the awesome interview with your two great minds!
Wow, thank you so much! Your kindness is incredible xx
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Authenticity, you can’t fake it, although people try, this guy just delivers everything honestly and I’m sold.
I'm biased but that was the most enthralling interview I've seen in 48 years.
In what respect are you biased?
@@GenaF in that I am a huge ren fan in the first place
@@Paul-gr1jz Ok, I thought you were going to say you were a family member or something.
Bias???? Must be related.
What draws people to Ren is the absolute authenticity of his art. It's real, unapologetic, raw...in a world filled with performances, his art is decidedly raw truth, his truth sure, but there is empowerment in that.
He broke into tears in Rosalie's interview and almost broke in this one aswell. This dude's a music genius but also has a heart of gold and needs to be protected at all costs.
I think true genius does suffer inside. It’s the mark.
You’re such an amazing soul, Ren. This world is better because you’re in it.
You are too Becca , love watching your reactions. They're always so insightful and real - its obvious how much of you it takes to put these out. So much respect ( and thanks) to you for doing so ❤
@@simonpowell8608 thank you, Simon, it really fills my soul to know people can enjoy and connect with them. Spent way too long doubting whether I had anything worthwhile to contribute to the world, or even to this space, but the reception has been totally surreal and I’m overwhelmed with gratitude.
In this world of fast media consumption and minute attention spans, I just devoured an entire 1 hour and 49 minute long interview like it was a hollywood blockbuster.
I think that says a lot about you both.
I've rarely enjoyed an interview as much as this one. i was riveted the whole time. Thank you! Most interviewers speak over their guests, interrupt them and ask redundant questions and it's so annoying.
Ren comes across as nice and as down to earth as I imagined.
Great hearing his story.
Much love, Ren.
Thanks!
Wow. Rosey thank you so much, that's incredible kind and generous of you x
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Imagine if this interview had been performed by Jimmy Fallon instead, Ren wouldn't have gotten to finish a single sentence. Super chill interview and as many others said it's amazing how you gave Ren so much space for his thoughts and reflections. Great work!
And now it’s time to spin the wheel! “Okay, single the Folgers jingle as Sting!” Actually Ren would probably kill that assignment lol
Or that Morning Joe guy! He is the worst!
This is just brilliant, Ren just putting out himself so transparently, telling the full story of his early years (as much as he can in a limited time), showing how much of an introvert he is (it is more obvious now since he is being interviewed, rather than hosting so he doesn't need to be engaging, don't be fooled by the machine gun talking, focus on the way that he talks, as if he is explaining it to himself really, and reassessing his past analysis on the subject). And how deep he thinks about everything (one can assume that he is more of a guy driven by emotions because of his music but the way he combines this with thinking and scientific facts etc.), just brilliant.
Yeah I was picking up on how much he was avoiding looking at the camera when he spoke. Then he was talking about how introverted he is as a person and it made perfect sense to me. It's wild cos I would've never pinned him as an introvert from the way he acts in his music videos. Just proves that Justin was correct saying that he would make a great actor.
@@himynameis3664 I noticed this too. Super interesting! And as a fellow introverted ADHD person I realize I do this as well, partly because looking at someone when talking/explaining stuff easily makes me lose my track of thought due to that extra stimuli, which can be very distracting. I've found that some people take it the wrong way though and interpret it as being uninterested/rude which is unfortunate.
@@jennythescreech Sorry to hear you suffer with your ADHD. I have pretty bad epilepsy and it's just such a pain having to account for it before I plan anything. So many jobs I can't be employed in, haven't been able get a driving license and just some general things most people would take for granted. Any illness of the mind sucks so much so I feel for you. Truly hope you can find some comfort for yourself ❤️🙏
@@jennythescreech oh thank you Jenny! You just fitted in another piece of the ADHD puzzle for me. I'm 58yo and only recently diagnosed with ADHD and ASD and still learning to understand some things.
@@himynameis3664 All the love, friend!
As a massive fan of Ren whose artistry resonates with me, as it does for so many of us; it always humbles me when I see interviews with him and realise that I relate to him on such a personal level too. The ADHD, also being from a small welsh village, escaped to the city when i was in my teens but being overwhelmed with the big city of London, chronic illness and mental health issues... the biggest difference is that finding Ren's music has contributed massively
to my recovery from those things. He's more than a musician. More than an artist even. He's an inspiration and I'm so grateful to have found his work. Ren, you will eternally have my gratitude. Thank you 🫶
Beautifully said ❤
You really got some good mileage out of your punctuation mark keys there
I love someone that can throw a semicolon in the mix tbh.
Lovely comment 😊
I hope you are doing well Cassandra and are in a good place within yourself. We are all here as kindred spirits of Ren. Take care sweetheart 😊
I often weep listening to Ren..... very connected.
As the mom of 2 musicians in the making (one is 19 and the other is 17), both of whom play guitar, the part about how Ren learned to play his guitar was absolutely fascinating.
Especially the "shapes" the music makes, eg "This sound looks like Wales"😮
Perfect interview, Justin did a fantastic job of listening. Ren had so much to say 😊
Thanks Ren, I think in this fake world , your brave truth is incredibly powerful and beautiful.
this was beautiful. Amazing to get an artist to artist interview come out so raw and authentic especially with artists from different generations, genres and backgrounds. Thanks to both Ren and Justin for being so honest, vulnerable and transparent
Ren has so much to say. He will be writing lyrics for many years to come ✨️
Loved the mention of neuron mirroring and how well it fits with the way reaction videos and Ren are so synonymous
I first encountered Ren thanks to Justin, and now he brings us all this! Thanks, Justin!
Same!
Hear ya bro!!! Not watched it yet but buzzin at how amazing this is!!!
Me too!
Same
I just can't get over how much Ren looks like Cillian Murphy, and how young he looks for early 30's! Found him late... I guess, through Hi Ren which was randomly pushed to me by Google, outstanding talent.
Elizabeth of the “Charismatic Voice”, a classically trained professional opera singer, and a lover of all kinds of singing voices, had said something about Ren’s classical guitar style. She said that it was classical in form and structure, whether he was aware of it or not. As a visual artist myself, the discussion of the artist’s intention fascinates me. It's even more prevalent in music where the listener brings their own meanings and emotions to the song. Or, what makes a composition classical? This a great interview. Ren should also sit down and talk with Elizabeth. I believe that you have had tea with Elizabeth, haven't you?
This was really well done. One thing I appreciate is that you let the guest answer the questions without interrupting. So many people doing interviews on youtube or podcasts seem more interested in hearing themselves speak. It was great hearing Ren explain his backstory because he is right, people tend to fill in the gaps with guesses instead of the facts. I'm glad he was able to tell it and I'm glad you gave him an opportunity to. Keep up the good work.
I thought so too - having the time to explain things and express thoughts!
Thanks to both of you!
Intelligent questions- answered in the best way.
Ren: all the best for you
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He did let Ren answer for the most part, but he did interrupt him several times (started thinking he had "Oprah syndrome" ). Do appreciate the fact that Ren got to explain and get his story told for the most part :)
Isn't Ren just a wonderful human being.
Yes
Ive actually never heard of Ren, but ill definitely check him out. Seems like a cool, genuine guy. Ive been there with the health issues and intense fatigue, and all i can say is its incredible that he got through it and got back to his career.
He’s absolutely amazing I found him recently, and his range of talents leaves me awestruck and him being such a humble real person just makes it all so much better
He’s absolutely amazing I found him recently, and his range of talents leaves me awestruck and him being such a humble real person just makes it all so much better
So whaddya think?😊
Ren is so articulate, intelligent and funny, i honestly could listen to him talk about anything
Someone said he could sing the Telephone Directory and make it sound amazing. I think he could read from it and I'd be just as captivated lol
Yes, lol! We need him to record Bedtime Stories by Ren. Would be a best seller. 😄
As a fellow long-term sufferer of ME/CFS I have to say that Ren's description and explanation of the experience and difficulty in getting a definitive diagnosis was spot on.
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Agreed!
Sending love and light your way! ❤
I have Late Stage Chronic Lyme.
So much falls under the same umbrella.
With you on that. He’s got it so spot on. I only discovered him this morning; but he’s got a lifelong fan in me already!
Sending you love on your ME/cfs journey.
100% I have fibromyalgia and he really did speak my mind. Almost teared up it was so accurate
Lived down the road from there in Bryn, my 1st love was from the same village as this young man.
He wasn't kidding its tiny.
Like a lot of people I'm coming to Ren later in his output and revelling in his back catalogue. And like most people I'm asking myself why I didn't find him earlier. Thank you Justin for displaying the sensitivity and understanding to let Ren express himself so eloquently. Both legends.
As a 56 year old, the hyperpolarization of the recent world has really taken a toll on my mental health and positivity. As many do, I struggle with the constant battle with depression, and had shut down most of the internets. Somehow a month ago, The Justin Hawkins channel showed up as a recommendation, and Hi Ren. I first got even more depressed that I feel like I've missed out on so much. The Darkness is insane! And Hi Ren had me in tears. Good tears. This interview and the two of you, beyond the music/art, have given me hope in humanity, and our compassion towards one anothe. I can't stop listening to The Darkness, so watch for those streaming pennies to go up this month amigo! Ren, can't wait for the Apple TV Ren produced original series! There is hope in the world. Through The Darkness, I found some light. Thank you both.❤
May the Light continue to shine bright for you
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This boy is disarmingly genuine: such a massive artist and comprehensive mind one can just stare speechless at! God bless him, he's a true gift to mankind! ❤🔥
I fucking cannot get over how deeply intelligent Ren is. So insightful yet so humble.
I guess when you're writing music and as obsessed with it as he is you're bound to gain so much general knowledge in anything from just vocabulary to researching things to write about. Btw I'm not saying it's a bad thing just in case it comes across that way, I love Ren's music and he seems like a great person to talk to.
I have been fascinated to see the diversity of Ren fans. Particularly with Hi Ren, I see so many different people being equally touched by the song. It's a wonderful thing to behold, this reminder that we are all human.
Yes, any form of brain inflammation or brain injury creates inconsistencies. That is what I find to be the most problematic about my brain injury. Waves, yes. On my best days I can defeat 1000 level chess players. On my worst, mere beginners rated 100 beat me. It is extremely frustrating. Music is probably the thing that helped my recovery, the most. I find your journey to be extremely inspiring.
Thank you, Ren.
I love Ren.... the raw genuine emotion he brings makes you want to connect to him. He is transparent and real.... in a very fake world he is gold. Brilliant interview. Loving Justin too. 😉
Ren, you're getting bs from your doctor's office. It is incurable. Period. I take tons of antihistamines, and I have the allergy symptoms. I will be 60 in September. Had Lyme 23 years and all my expert said it couldn't be cured any longer......so sleep 15 hours a night, eat healthy and avoid stress. And he really is an expert on Lyme. 2 blood tests are required for a real diagnosis is an IGg and an iGm. Then you have to find a specialty lab to do the work . Have you been to the USA? All the experts are here. And Ren, you're going to live beyond 50 years. I'm still here! Maybe because I sleep a lot, I don't know. See an infectious disease doctor. You need narcotics for the pain, and accept your fate, as I have done. Just trying to help, honey.
Ren, I’m a songwriter just coming into my own at age “61.” I put off my music passion for years, by chasing money, and my career. I spent 22 years as a school counselor, so your Hi Ren video resonated with me on multiple levels. I had an empathetic response and connective reaction to your craft. I love creating music. I’ve shared your video with friends…some who just don’t get it. I do. It’s interesting about feeling you need to make it before age 30. Hopefully I’ll break that stereotype. Love your stuff!
Jim, I just wanted to chime in here. I think too many people talk themselves out of chasing their dreams because of the stigma of age. Someone who has avoided chasing their dreams for years or decades is also likely to adopt the false narrative of "being past their time" as it sadly gives them an excuse accepted by society for why they shouldn't try. I think more than anything, that is probably why it might not be seen as much. So the false narrative becomes perpetual. Bravo to you for rejecting that excuse. Stay positive in your dialogue with yourself. Self encouragement is often the secret sauce that separates those that push through, and those that dont. And I think the interview we just watched confirms the value, level of impact, and the real need for authenticity. Be you in all your glory. People are starved for authenticity. When someone like Ren comes along and is transparent in their craft, and boldly vulnerable, it ignites something in people that attracts them and draws them in. They notice something authentic, something relatable. And they feel driven to explore the source of that authenticity, not only to learn more about the artist or individual, but to learn more about themselves. Write for yourself. Create what you feel in your heart. I wish you the best of luck. The universe is cheering you on. Never forget that.
@3dChris What a warm, intelligent and encouraging comment you made to Jim. And I agree with your view wholeheartedly. This sometimes hostile world needs more people like you in it, Chris. All the best, mate.
@@gdn101 we are all one family. We are all one. Thank you so much for your kind words. That really means a lot.
@@3dChris You are an awesome person - sharp, caring, supportive, insightful, and beaming with light and love.
@@TVC15ohoh Wow, thank you so much. That was such a touching comment. Thank you for taking the time to say that. I truly believe we are all one. We are the universe becoming aware of itself, experiencing itself, through each of our individual perspectives. At the root, we are one consciousness. So you helping someone else is the same as you helping me. That’s why when we do random acts of kindness it actually makes ourselves feel the love. It’s all reciprocal. Your kind words written to me are just as much of a reflection of yourself as well. Give someone a hug today. Keep that vibe flowing. ;)
I found Ren a week ago and it's hard to believe he couldn't sing well and was racked with nerves in his early years. He seems so confident. He has done nothing but blow my mind since I found him. I'm big on kindness and respect. He's kindness is only matched by his skill. The Brits are absolutely killing it in the entertainment industry. My favorite actors are British and Ren has earned my respect so quickly.
I think he should make "Sick Boi" into a rock opera, like The Who. Ren's potential is off the charts. I can't get enough. Great interview Mr. Hawkins!!
As a ME/CFS sufferer, Ren's description of the main symptoms of the illness are very accurate. Each person's ME/CFS symptoms/experiences can be very different, but the main symptoms are similar. My ME/CFS supposedly came from a bout of pnuemonia when I was 6 years old. Diagnosis of ME/CFS is very hit and miss. I was finally diagnosed at 45.
Another person with ME/CFS here! I suspect mine came from already having POTS, hEDS, and/or other health issues slowly worsening in my teens and then getting a huge body breakdown through PTSD and potentially stress induced psychosis. My health took a turn when I was 15 and I got a diagnosis at 19, which I currently am, through a VERY lucky break with a neurologist. Due to the new hallmark symptom criteria it's easy to hope it's something else, but Ren is so right - it can be something else *and* be ME/CFS, and even if other things are curable ME/CFS isn't (though is sometimes treatable in some partial ways). Hearing that from him was incredible, honestly, even as someone who has gotten used to living like this.