BITWIG 5.2 just SHOCKED everyone and it's MASSIVE!
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
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Bitwig 5.2 is in beta and comes with a ton of new sculpting plugins like; Sculpt, Focus, Tilt, Over, Compressor+ and much more!
In this video I wanted to try out some of these for processing real drums and electric guitars!
Let me know if you enjoyed the video!
Thanks,
// Mattias
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Thanks Mattias this is the best presentation of the new plugins for Bitwig I have seen. I would like to ask how much does the new GPU Visual Interface improves for audio. Have you opened big arrangements and test with them?
Hi Boris, thanks. This was just my very first boot of 5.2. And I wanted to see how these plugins work on real instrument recordings. Which I believe is the true test of fidelity. 😄 I’ve not done any other tests except this one. So i will need to get back to you on this. 😃☕️🥁
Very good question and Matthias will be certainly back with more info after more tests...
@AncientGranules yes Im gonna do some performance tests, and more video tests with these new tools on acoustic guitar / vocals. But today its valborg here in sweden. So family time! 🎉🏆🦊🤷♂️😄☕️🥁🎸 and I just made / released two new episodes in the Bitwig Ambient Music course so I need a short break. 💪🤘😉 dunno how much diff there will be in performance on my M1 Max since its not very similar to PC with extra dedicated GPU. I never felt gui was slow in Bitwig in the past. We’ll see…
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Hahaha, the SHOCKED and MASSIVE in youtube titles these days. You don't need that Mattias 😂
I know but its fun 🤷♂️😂😭🚀☕️
Agreed, shocked would have been more along the lines of Bitwig doing something like midi conversion to standard notation editor or an extensive visual 3d sound chamber. 👍🏻🎼😁
@zorkdrajar5168 yeah that would be something really meaty! Hopefully they will start using AI to accelerate their development. 😄🥁🚀🦊🎸
Hey Mattias! I believe only the analyzer part of the compressor is 4-band, so in effect you basically have a 4-band int/ext sidechain analyzer and the compression itself happens across one band.
Yes, only the analyser is 4-band. Shocking & Massive.
Yeah my bad, analysis only.
My bad, sorry, still a great compressor. Been playing around with it some more after the video when I've had more time.
@@MattiasHolmgren I totally agree, sounds good to me so far.
thanks for taking the time to make this dude!
You are welcome Jon. I had a blast as you can see. 🦊💪🥁🎁😄
Hm. But still not fixed basic issues like that beta-ish piano roll and the unablity to quick switch tracks to mono? And also I'm still waiting for something like a current-track in FL studio. I would love to buy bitwig but I think it's still incomplete in basic things that I simply expect from a modern DAW. Also the support never gets back to you when you reach out. Waiting for version 6...
Agree, I don't know why they keep diminishing the piano roll.
The piano roll is fine for me but maybe because I used Reaper before. And also I never had issues with the support not answering.
Interesting, I have yet to find anything in the piano roll that doesn't work exactly as I expect it should - no less so than any of the other DAWs I own or have used. The only issue I have are a few improvements to the curve tools for automation curves. Curious what tools or functions you miss?
Also, the support (the very few times I have needed it) has always been very responsive to me.
Whats your problem with the piano roll?
I do think the piano roll can be better. But Bitwig community are the biggest complainers ever. I keep hearing people say there is no key highlights, but you can just use Key Filter. There are many ways to make audio mono. Why does it matter the track itself is mono? Bitwig is different software, so learn how to use it instead of complaining all the time it does not have a one-to-one feature set to another DAW you use,just use that DAW then.....
Awesome, Mattias. Bitwig is getting better and better!
Hey Mike, yeah its really grown up! 🍺🥳
Im missing Vertical Zoom and the go back option after bounce in place.
So annoying
THanks Mattias! looking forward to it
Thanks Rob!
Amended:
I re-watched your video on a proper screen + proper headphones etc.
I get it now.
So, Sculpt simply is kind of what Master Plan plug-in did, which I just purchased - 😂😂
... and of course, thanks as always - loud short and clear explanations.
Hey, glad to hear you enjoyed the presentation. I feel its eseential to get a solid multiband compressor like compressor+ and the new EQs are really good sweetspots for recorded audio / instruments.
yeah I thought the best way to show these new sound sculpting tools of Bitwig 5.2 with real recorded instruments because the audio has more grit and dirt than sterile synth sounds. Real instrument audio recordings you can mold and bring in/out details with such tools. Like my drum recording is recorded stereo stem of 8 individual tracks. So sculpting such a stereo file can bring a lot to the details of the overall sound. Same with dynamic playing on the electric guitar straight into audio interface. I’m glad my effort came across. Though I only had 1 hour to record / shoot while my 2 year old was sleeping.😴😂🥁🎸😄
Not updating. This year my money goes somewhere else. Not bitwig. And looking around I’m not the one. I hope there will be a lot of paying customers skipping update plan. Maybe then bitwig will learn something and start to implement features that cannot be replaced with 3rd party tools like compressor or eq. Also I heard that new editing with keyboard shortcuts are more confusing than helping as they literally do opposite things in different editors. Switching editing styles force you to remember what style you are in. In my opinion on scale 1-10 this update gets 1. For GUI execration. Even I don’t need it. Without gui would be -5. On the same scale.
And the same argument can be made for scales in the piano roll. Why implement it when you can use scaler? I would never even touch a scale function, but if they implemented it i wouldn’t care and I would definitely not write angry comments about it on youtube.
Take a deep breath and make some music instead
I welcome native plug-ins as I am on a platform 3rd party plug-in developers tend to ignore completely.
@@sablesanctumI think developers don’t mean to ignore Linux support. The decision not to support Linux mostly driven by demand. There are not many DAWs that support Linux in the first place. And non of flagship daws support it. If Live, Cubase, Studio One had support you would see dramatic increase in Linux supported plugins. But at the moment it’s just not profitable for plugin makers to support it.
@@EsoVieTHI’m quite calm but I see you a bit nervous for some reason. Based on what I have seen online on forums and in private groups there are more users that want scale awareness in piano roll than new compressor. And plugin you mentioned is not a solution.
I’m not writing angry comments but constructively criticizing decisions of the company I would like to support with my own money. We are not donating to company. We pay for what company offer. And for me and many other user bigwig didn’t offer anything major in the last couple of updates. But they could well boost their revenue by including at least one highly requested features. If they don’t I don’t pay. Simple.
@@vroteg I am aware of the market situation, and I apologize for using the word "ignore" in this context. A feeling of being ignored, doesn't necessarily make it so. But it sure makes it easier to continue to support those who do provide, even if they prioritize to the detriment of users on other platforms.
Hello again, Matt! Can you recommend some Pen Tablet that allows to draw directly on the screen (for educational purposes). For example, I use IDE and want to draw some arrows, lines etc to highlight the code blocks, so I need a pen tablet that alows to draw directly on the desktop screen (inside Windows OS). Is Wacom ok?
Wacom is the best IMO.
Channged to Reason and iam happy now. The real thing imo.
I changed the other way around. Reason has great synths and sounds, but the workflow of bitwig is 100 times better imho!
Me too. Reason is the most fun I've had in a DAW
@@AlmerosMusicCode Maybe you gotta learn Reason deeper. I find Reason even deeper than BW and Reason can improve eveb with future updates. Ok, you can run Reason in Bitwig via VST, but i like the Reason DAW more (included Melodyne on top ;) . What counts is the outcome and i can produce without distraction in Reason and it look sexy, BW is ugly now. peace
@@juicerox It connects better with me and sound imo a million times better and it has better granuar sampling and sampler with timestretching. BW has to grow the next years to keep up, modulation isn´t everything and Reason is also strong there.
@@ueberlicht_ Tried Reason several times, and it did not clicked with me and I sold it. Tried Bitwig one time and was instantly sold to it.
For you Reason works, but not for me. For you Bitwig does not work, but for me it's exactly what I want.
Different people, different choices...
Why doesn't bitwig have colored custom themes?
People have been asking for it for 10 years.
Dunno what they are up to regarding "custom themes", I guess they want to control how their software looks a bit from a marketing perspective maybe! Just my 2 cents. 🍿
It sounds great but they need to eliminate the audio editing pop up box. If they fix it I’ll buy it.
Does Bitwig havge ARA yet ? Can't use it otherwise
Do you still use FL Studio on Mac or gone to Logic Pro?
I use Logic Pro, Bitwig and FL Studio simultanously and depending on project etc. Sample pack creation and sample management is often handled in FL Studio because it's superior for that with Edison, markers for sample export etc. Logic Pro for game / film scoring. Bitwig for electronic / hybrid music. Vocal / guitar recording = Logic Pro.
That's in short how I work with them.
How about you?
@@MattiasHolmgren Just what I mean is there still any issues with FL Studio on Apple Silicon? I'm thinking to try it but there is description of some issues on their website according to native work on modern macs. I've got MacBook M2 15".
Hey Mattias, long time. Sounding good man.
I'm thinking one of the reasons they may have re-written the GUI might be a path towards it running on a tablet. Pure speculation, but it would make sense right. Hmmm.
I really like the new EQs and Clipper. They sound very good and quite easy to use.
Alright, well nice to see you! Ciao!
Hey again! Speculations might not be totally far out there. We will see if there is something lurking. ;)
Yeah the new tools are just great. Exactly what I've personally missed in the arsenal of plugins to get some ballsy tones. Next up I hope for a "tuner" device to keep this messy Gibson MIdtown Custom in check. ;)
@@MattiasHolmgren Hehe :-) You have some nice toys man
Cool feel. I miss pre record like in S1 when we forget to arm the track.
You're oversharpening your videos, Mat. Great update by the way.
Thanks, You have a 4k display? ;)
It's a DAW that doesn't allow you to bounce mono tracks, It's very frustrating to me that they added plugins and didn't fix their lack of professional features or their midi implementation which needs a lot of work to be on par with other DAW's, I have no idea what their dev team is thinking but they're clearly delusional.
Add tool device>set width to zero. No bounce necessary.
There are several reasons: People want to bounce to mono for sample usage in other hw samplers (Digitakt etc) + it can be sweet file size saving process when creating sample libraries (snares, kicks etc)… + sound effects for game engines. So I personally def understand the need for ”export to mono” function. 😉
nice...but not ground breaking neither...
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Not it's massive&shocking
@EntropyExhaustion Story of Anvil: It’s gonna be jam packed 😂☕️
What synth did you play in the last part Mattias ?!?
I played the Expressive E Osmose synth as a little live lead melody on top of the arrangement at the end of the video.
Lovely track !!
Thanks! Glad u like it!
Great demonstration, left guitar is a bit flat btw ;-)
You're right I just had about an hour to do all this. Record the loops, shoot the video and everything. And my Gibson Midtown custom intonation is all over the place since a few years. 😂 Will use the Fender / Ibanez for future videos. Send the guitar to guitar works shop for intonation adjustment. Wish I had a Gibson ES335 ;)
What do you use instead of the Ouse?
Ouse? 🤷♂️
I have Bitwig but they haven't improved the CPU resources and it eats more and more the system, you need an Apple Max Pro of 3000 dollars so that it doesn't start to crash at 20 tracks, FL Studio overcomes it widely without crashing...
I got a M1 16 gigs and never had any issue...easily more than 20 tracks most of the time but even with my intel 2019 i7 32gb...but most importantly people should know the basics mixing and optimization technics to help the CPU before producing music and add 50 plugins...after all, people were producing music before all these amazing computer. Most people refuse to bounce their track and complain about their machine...well, boucing helps the CPU
very interesting!!!!
;) absolutely!
Wow, pull back a little on your video sharpening 😅
Haha 😄
Nice. Very cool, positive start of comment make algorithm happy and keeps it visible. Positive. Good. Super.
One tipp, you started talking about the pultec emulation, boosted the lowend which ran the signal way hotter into the peak limiter at the right end of the chain... this is not A/B but falling for the louder is better trick and changing the sound through the limiter getting into the game... rofl! Yeah, it's the pultec that makes it nice an punchy ... rofl. The long release of the peak limiter which is clearly shown, even changes the level ratio of the drum hits, just look at the graph of the gain reduction...
And btw shocked & massiv for the 5.2 update!? Really... I'm shocked by the massive clickbait of the video title.
Lol irl rofl 🦊🤘Feed the machine. Boost low / attentuate low mids with Sculpt, yes obviously also pushing the limiter a tad more. My little quick demo video shows what you can do with the tools anyway. Which is the important on an update. And I feel its miles more important to show these tools on real recordings rather that sterile synth lines. And of course you can dig in and finetune whatever to suit whatever. But I roll my way of presenting and improvising with the tools.
More power to the hits. Thanks for engaging. 😄
@@MattiasHolmgrenA tad? From nothing going on at the limiter to like 6 db attenuation... ;-)
The thing is, dialing in values in Sculpt and telling viewers this is now way better, is missleading. Especially beginners might think I need this magic thing and a miracle will happen by a EQ which surrounded itself with the mythical aura of pultec. It won't. That makes this part of the video less credible.
Not a general critic, it's only about this part of the video which might raise expectations that cannot be meet. Just put Sculpt to an test with Bertom EQ Analyzer. It's interesting analytical results.
I've seen enough people trying to sell snakeoil. Not this channel! But better add some honest critics among all the applause, I thought...
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Btw: Limiters working rather fast, so when thinking of a 80hz wave which has 12,5 msec wavelenght the limiter will crush that wave and thus adds harmonics to the signal ...
I think it is not getting better and better. The way bitwig ignore users wishes is mindblowing. Still the piano roll is crap, no arrager or chord tracks, no way to customizes gui and colours, no time stretch in sampler, no waveform show in the smallest zoom level, and they want a lot of money each year. Sorry not my money anymore
I guess Bitwig have their niche clients to focus on. Its hard to keep every type of customer happy when they also have their own product agenda. 🤷♂️ What daw/daws do you use?
After spend nearly 1k in bitwig and they dondt listen to the wishes i switched to cubase and cant be happyer. Just a awesome Piano roll and great customasation for my Bad eyes. Instruments are also better. Padshop IS so awesome and the Sampler track IS lightyears ahead to bitwigs crappy device. I was really a bitwig Kid of the First hour and pay every yeah for the Update but in all those years they not me change the Arrangeur View colour. I have to Look one the Grey. That IS ridicules. I Just want to dim that Arrangement View. IS that hard?
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Pretty awesome stuff! thank you
Indeed MLH! Good to see ya! Hope music making is going great! 🤘🎁🦊🎸
This is such a beautiful track so far! Just wonderful 🥹
Thanks, appreciate the feedback. Will develop this idea further. 😃☕️🥁