What is Layering for Motorcycle | Adventure Clothing
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- There is a lot of talk about Layering and how great it is for Adventure riding. Is it really that great? Is Layering for everyone or should you stick to an all in one Adventure suite? It is time I find out.
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⏱️ Timecodes ⏱️
0:00 Intro
0:28 Fanatic crazy talk?
0:44 What Layering means
1:17 Base Layer
1:43 Mid Layer
2:11 Shell Layer
3:03 Does not make sense
3:45 What Armour?
4:45 The Weight Myth
5:52 The Price Myth
7:21 Safety
8:00 Conclusion
9:09 See you soon
This should stop any discussion on which is best. It comes down to personal prederence and which climate and style you ride the most. Great video!
exactly!!! 🙏🏻 The best would off course to have the option to use both or all systems depending on the trip, style etc. But that is something most people don't afford. Thank you Tjommi... now, lets get out there and shoot some braaaping 🔥
Love your honesty can't wait till then to see .
Thank you mate. We have to be more open and honest about these things. not all things are for everyone, and as a beginner it is hard enough to navigate between all the different opinions out there. So I try to keep it as objective as possible.
HA! Loved the Joey reference 🤣 10/10 editing and presentation 👌
Hahaha, best reference to the layering system ever. and even better... he does it commando 😂 Glad you liked it mate. Hope you are doing well, new season over there as well?
@@tshansen Still snowing sadly.. but Hoping in a couple of weeks weather improves 🤧
Thank you Thomas. Very nice video. looking forward to the follow-up video
You welcome mate! Thank you for watching! I’m really looking forward to see how this holdes up in our extreme conditions
I'm starting this season with a full suit from @revit. A Defender jacket and pants. I really like the quality of the Revit products line, But it is heavy and I feel it restricts my movement sometimes. I would like to see an option with the same level of protection and lighter in weight and provide more flexibility.
@@ExpatMotoRider i find the revit to be Small in size, have not ride with it myself! But i know they make great gear
Looking sharp in the new suite Tjommi! This video is just great and i'm sure it will help out many out there, who is in the market for new gear. Awesome to compare prices and weight as well. To me who has used layering system for more than 10 years, there is no going back for ADV. For me the benefits are obvious like in any outdoor activitie and how we gear up. This mostly to how flexible the gearing up is with the standalone abrasion/impact protection layer. Fun litle fat friend You have out there 👀😂 Thanks for the shout outs and for beeing a part of your inspiration or the one who trick You in to bad descisions 😂 Hopefully You will this philosophy even in real and practical riding. See You Tjommi! Awesome work with the video 💪🤠🔥 Just brilliant.
Hahaha thank you my good friend 😂 You have exceptional moves in those hips 🤌🏻 Yeah, I really needed a push in the right direction to try this out, I really hope I love it because it is great gear. And I think it is important to shine a light for all the beginners out there that layering is right for some, but not everyone. You really need to find out what type of riding you are planing on doing, and what part of the world you are riding in. 👏🏻 Skååål på deg Tjommi! ☕️
@@tshansen Skål som fan Tjommi, vilken grym säsong vi har framför oss 💪🤠🔥✊🏻✊🏻
@@Braapncamp helt rått 🔥🤩 gleder meg
Hello Thomas, Good to see you back. Interesting video. I will see your thoughts after the season and experience with this system. Cheers!
Hello my friend 🤩 Good to be back I tell you 🙌🏻 Yeah, I thought It could be great to shine a light on this from a more objective standpoint. I see a lot of fanatics online who swear to one thing and one thing only. For me it is more like many good brands and options out there. Better to educate yourself and find something you really need than just follow the stream 🤌🏻 Cheers
hi,
a good video as always.
i have started to be a layering guy, and i like it more than just one jacket. one has its benefits
same as layering, but i think i will stay with the layering.
cheers 🍻
Then you should continue to invest in the layering system, save time and money and like you say, it is more flexible for many different situations. Cheers mate.
Great video. Inspirational. Thank You. I'm also gravitating towards layered armour for some harder off-road trips...
Btw. I saw in a few scenes that You are wearing the watch;) Really glad You like it:)
I absolutely love it mate. Such a difference to finally have a watch that does not get's in the way of the gloves or jackets. Perfect! 🔥
Great vid my friend👌 looks like the snow is gone. Layering is most important. I always have a merino wool shirt and pants underneath my 3 layer RevIt gear. Its 14 years old now, never let a drip 💧 of rain through it and kept me warm. It starts to fall apart now though. Looking for something new. Will consider your setup, many thanks for the effort you put into this film😃👍
Thank you Ricard 🤩🔥 Yeah, close to the sea it is gone now, but 30 minutes in to higher ground you will find a lot of snow still 🙈 i always use wool my self! That is one thing i never deviate from. Damn, 14 years, that is amazing! Revit should give you a new one just for being so faithful 😆👀 Thank you for watching! There may be a new channel on the horizon 😇 keep an eye out 😉
@@tshansen haha you make me curious 👀
Another good one
Cheers mate, appreciate it 🙌🏻
Great video and perfect nose dive at 3:14 :D
Just like I would do it myself 😂 Loved that trip you had down there. Amazing 🤌🏻
Good report TS. Another high quality vid. Much appreciated. I'm interested in your trial. I've met with Mosko Moto folks and observed their products. Definitely a set up for me to consider. I'm at a cross roads of buying new gear. My original products are a little dated in design and I have gotten much smaller. I currently have a new Lim Carlsbad jacket but haven't the pants yet. The Mosko Moto ones look comfortable. But like your tests, it's different than just putting one suit on trying to layer up for safety. However where I live in the Appalachian mountains the summers are terrible hot and near 100% humidity. Like riding in a Swed sauna. Have a good year out on the T7. Be safe and do/film as much as possible. I have new total right knee now and appreciate the viewing opportunities during rehab. Then the left one. Take care my Nordic ADV friend.
Thank you mate, always appreciate your good comments. I have met some of the Mosko people myself and I'm really impressed in how they do things and how they think about the whole ADV as a community more than just selling gear.
I never tried the Carlsbad myself, that is two layers right? a little bit lighter and not so many pockets? I can't even begin to understand how the climate is over there. Here it is 100% humidity as well, but always cold 🤣 There will be a lot of time on the bike this year, so I hope that will be many great videos. I understand that It will take some recovery before you are playing soccer again. Goodspeed to you mate, and hope the surgery was successful 🙏🏻
Very good video Thomas and quite interesting the price difference. In my short couple of years in adventure riding I have found that it is a very expensive sport, much like all my photography gear. One day I would really love to own a Klim jacket and pants and because I do not live in a hot environment I think for me the Klim brand is the way to go.
Hahaha, funny you mention that my friend. The whole Adventure thing startet out with having less and just go out there and explore. Now it has become one of the most profitable section of the motorcycle industry. Go figures 🙈
cool. looking forward to your long term review. I think layering is about 'flexibility', as much as anything else. An ADV suit is sort of all or none. But like you said, for you, in colder weather, if you need all the layers anyway, maybe easier to toss on 1 item and start riding.
Yeah, I think that as well, but that extra flexibility comes at a cost in extra space in the luggage or what not. Nothing is perfect but some of it makes much more sense the further south you go. Cheers mate ☕️
Nice video mate, I was thinking of using layers for a longer time too but couldn’t find the right armour for me yet. I think that the fact of every layer having only one purpose let’s you suit up perfectly for the actual situation. But it means also more luggage, less ease (getting dressed up) and I can imagine that it hinders your ability to move (depending on the protection)
Yeah, finding the right armour was a pain in the ass for me as well... I'm tall and skinny and nothing fit me right. But the super shirt fits the best of the ones I have tried on. I don't like the hockey style armour. to bulky. From what I have figured out and how I pack my gear. The only extra luggage space I need is for the outer shell jacket. That I can store easy under the bever tail, I don't need to put it into the bags. Everything else I have with me anyway. And if I would go down to Spain or a area I know it will be worm even if it rains, I bring I super light (thin) rain gear to put on if it starts pouring down. I feel more flexible and agile on the bike with this new system. It is really strange, I know it is the same weight, but it feels much lighter. But is this enough for me to switch to the light side? The fact that you need to dress up and down that much is something I'm not really liking.
Another excellent and very informative video, well done you. I’ve just invested my money in a Rukka Rimo R jacket with armour at an extra cost. Hopefully this proves to be the right decision after weeks of research. I’ve been riding for 50 years, so much choice nowadays. As you say, one has to decide how much protection one needs. Always enjoy your videos, well done again. 👌👏
Rukka is also a really good brand for the Scandinavian and Northern Europe conditions. The only thing I have heard is that they struggle with their zippers. Have you experienced that with yours? Thank you for the nice comments, really glad you enjoy my videos 🔥
Just got the jacket, so early days. I’ll be extremely careful!
Great video, both systems is great, just wish I could afford both.
Indeed they are, and I'm really glad I have the opportunity to try both. Cheers
Also for me it really depends what I'm wearing. Even with the Badlands Pro I layer, especially in winter🥶
Besides the Badlands Pro I have and love the Linesman jacket from Adventure Specs. I use it mainly when going offroad in warmer conditions. it is also working well in light rain.
Yeah, I feel like many of us really do layering without even knowing about it. And that is some of the points in this video, to show the beginners that you may already been doing it like this for several years. It is nothing new, but it is easy to forget. Adventure Spec has some really solid gear. Cheers
But, if you love your Klim all-in-one gear, why not try a Klim for layering, like the Klim Traverse. I bought mine 3 years ago and I have been very happy with it. Price is now 15.000 NOK for the jacket and pants in total(1283 Euros). It keeps the rain out, never had a leak, it has all the armour except your back ( I used the D3O from my old Icon Raiden suit). It is very comfortable to wear. Lightweight. Nice pockets, good ventilation. And actually, it still looks like new. Never washed it but carefully used high pressure washer on it after gravel rides. Most people has inner- and mid layer to use with the suit 🙂
That is a good and valid question my friend. Because I'm lucky enough to have the opportunity to test this out for free.. I don't think I would ever dear to try this (because I'm so happy with the Badlands suit) if I had to pay for everything. And my Klim gear is still right next to the other gear, so I will pick that again if I'm not happy or this don't work for my needs. And the Super Shirt is always nice to have no matter what gear I end up using in the future. 🔥
@@tshansen teletubbi + traverse = awesome 🔥 smoking hottttt
If you already own a very good system, Thomas, then it's difficult to judge another one in a short time. You need more rides in different conditions. At least some old truths (layering like an onion) are still true ;-) Cheerio, Günter/Nürnberg
I really start to feel that yes, I'm not sure if getting more and more conservative with age has something to do with this as well 😂 I will give it a chance this season and then judge. I never judge something on first impressions alone 🙏🏻 Cheers my friend
I have the Klim Badlands Pro set, as well as Adventure Specs Supershirt, their Mongolia pants, and some Mosko Moto gear. The first thing I did was to remove the protection from my Badlands jacket and instead wear the supershirt underneath. Then I could use my badlands, Dakar, or Mosko Moto Rak, depending on what I needed.
I find now that I tend to leave the Badlands Pro gear at home more, since it is too warm in the summer. I went out riding today in +5C weather, and instead of the Klim Badlands Pro jacket, wore the Supershirt, Mosko Ectotherm, and Rak pullover jacket. It was perfect, did not feel as heavy, and is still AA rated. In the summer, I wear the Supershirt with a Klim Dakar jacket or Mosko jersey. I like the layering system better, it’s more flexible in its use. The Rak Pullover I also often wear even when not riding, as it is a great rain jacket. 👍
Don't you feel the armour in the Badlands is places almost was well as the Supershirt? I see that Mattias also really loved the rack pullover. And it looks like a really good option to have just as a rain cover when doing this setup. Maybe something for me to consider as well. Interesting to hear your experience. I'm all new to this and don't have a clue what will fit me best yet.
That is something that i really like with the Mosko gear, some of the garmet like the Rak Pullover, the surveyor jacket and Ectotherm is made to be weared off bike as well in everyday situations, that doubbles the value for money in my world. Gear to be used all season instead of hanging in the moto gear wardrobe. Happy Trails and cheers 🍻
@@tshansen I personally find the armor to fit more secure with the Supershirt compared to my Badlands Pro. Maybe what contributes to this is that I use a size L (6’3”/94kg) which makes it fit rather snugly. I don’t find this a negative, as the fabric stretches well, and once zipped up, it feels like “a glove.”
The Badlands Pro jacket also, in general feels heavy, until you get it on. I think it feels better in combination with the Supershirt, as the jacket becomes a bit “looser,” but still likely offers even better abrasion protection.
I really like the Supershirt, due to its AA rating and the choices it presents.
As for even more protection, I think the new Alpinestars Tech Air Off-Road looks very interesting. It’s likely the future of an even more optimal solution, albeit maybe a bit more bulky.
I just want to mention that I always also look at your UA-cam videos to see what gear and trips you present. This since I discovered that you always look for the best quality. It also seems like you, partly thanks to your profession, also have a different view on the need of quality and safety of your gear. Keep up the great work. 👍🙏
@@Braapncamp Yes, fully agree. The quality of the Mosko
Moto gear is first class. 👍
Very nice, informative and honest video Thomas. I'm curious to see what you think about the layering system after some good use. I was deep in the resarch rabit-hole this fall, and ended up buying the Rev'it Dominator suit. I hope I made a good choice, but this season will tell :)
Hahaha, I think I have been into that same rabbit hole, and I have not yet found my way out of it. Feels like it 😂 How do you like the fitting of the Revit? I tried some gear but they run so damn small... I'm a XL in most gear, but I had to out on 3XL in the jacket from Revit. And that was still a little bit to snug over the shoulders.
@tshansen Nice to know I'm not alone, but it's too easy with all the options and information available 🫣 Had my first proper test ride for this year today, and suit seems nice but too early to tell. You're right about the sizing! I'm only 179cm and quite slender, so medium fits good but it's not exactly roomy. Happy Easter 😊
An interesting video Thomas, I think a lot comes down to personal preference and the type of riding you do what works for some may not for others. This a very subjective topic when considering the factors of quality, price, protection and ease of use. Pity you didn’t include the Adventure Spec layering system as they are comparable to the two other companies. Maybe you could do a similar video with Mattias as I know he was a big fan of AS at one time but seems he also has been lured over to the Mosko side 🤔😉
Indeed it does it has everything with personal preference, where you ride and how you ride. I get a feeling a lot of people tend to leave that out and only hype one over the other. This is one of the main reasons I was willing to try this layering system myself. To get a feel for how it is or is it just fanatic lightweight guys who have lost their mind 😆 I can assure you, we all love Adventure Spec gear. But I have been so happy with KLIM I would not hear a word of anything else, before now. Much because of Mattias 🙈
I will probably do another comparison video with some more time into this season compare the Mosko and AS gear i have, i have some AS gear as well. Really like the philosophy behind the gear these companies bring to us and they are similar in tat aspect, but the differ in how they bring it to You, alot actually and i think this could be worth digging into and show. You know we love gear 👀😂🙌
@@Braapncamp that would be perfect 👏🏻🔥
I think there is no good or bad, all depending on your way or riding and your location. When I ride offroad I like to layer up because I like the armor next to my body (works beter when falling off the bike) and depending on the terrain, you can start in 4 degrees but end up in 20 degrees sweating your ass off in technical terrain and dropping a layer or two.
When Im riding more asphalt and the weather forecast is sh*t for the coming days, I like to also use my Klim Carlsbad and have it all in one.
I think you are right.... and I think we should say that more often. Just because something good comes along, does not take away the fact that other stuff is great too! I'm really curious if I will manage to adapt to this layering thing 🤭
Hi Thomas, great video as always! What size are you using for the basilisk jacket and pants and for the superchirt gear? Is the supershirt tight fitting? Thanks
Hello sir, I have the XL jacket and the Pants is 34 tall. Supershirt is also XL, but I might have gotten that in Large if I would get it again. The supershirt is flexible and have some room. Cheers
@@tshansen Thanks, I have just gotten the XL jacket, I find it a bit big at the waist, but I fesr that it might me to short if I go for a L. For the pants I have 36 Tall, but did not yet recieve it. Also XL for the supershirt, hope that its not to big when I recieve it. Grts
For regular road touring with the odd easy gravel road on my 1200GS I prefer just a regular jacket, Dainese springbok.
If the riding is going to be technical and I’m on the 450 I use layering. My current set up is the adventure Spec supershirt, back, chest and shoulder armor removed. Instead I wear an Alpinestars A10 over it. AdvSpec trailhead jersey which has a zip and is a game changer. A Klim Raptor GTX over that if needed and either the Mosko Ectotherm or jackaloft or the AdvSpec Baltic hybrid as a mid layer.
Bottoms wearing the klim tactical pro pants as a base layer with the AdvSpec linesman pants.
This has been many years in the making and I’m finally happy and it’s my second season with this setup
Damn, this is some solid advice and good recommendation my friend. Really nice to hear and so much to learn. Thank you. I guess when you start falling down in the rabbit hole of layering the need for perfection and own needs start to emerge. The only thing I don't like about that jersey is the colour 🤩 But it's looks really well made. A10 over the super shirt... not a bad idea. I need to investigate more about this 🙌🏻 Thank you
A small aspect.... with the supershirt you can wear what ever you like over it, you don't need motorcycle specific gear so the price can go down more. You can get a water / windproof layer from decathlon and you are golden
Yeah, you are much more free to chose whatever you like, and you can really mix it more up according to what weather etc.
Hi Thomas, really interesting video. I see that with both systems the bottom of the mid-layer could get wet in raining conditions. How do you do to prevent this? Do you flip up the bottom of the mid layer? Do you have some zip system for attaching the pants to the jacket? For sure you know that when it is going to rain heavily the water wants to get in for any free space. I would like to point out, maybe for another video, what about the free gap between helmet and the neck of the jacket, how do you deal with this? Storm neck? I got one of Klim which solves that problem, but just curious what do you think from your perspective. Best, Ruben.
Yes, this was the first thing I noticed myself. the heated jacket is just a little bit too long in front. I just tuck it down into the pants, the cord is so long that is no problem, same with the on button. Or there is a skirt inside the jacket. Like you find on many ski gear or snow jackets. to prevent snow and wind from coming in. You can take that on, and stuff the jacket over it. becomes a little bit bulky but no problem when sitting. This is a great request video I can make, a short 2-3 minute video about how I address this. The neck I don't find to be a problem. I tighten it with the cord so it get's more snug, and I don't wear anything that will soak in water, this will only lead the water in under the jacket. It is actually better to leave the neck a little bit exposed and lett the water pry away the water. (if this make sense) I have never had a issue with water getting down in my klim jacket. Will see how this work on my new system. And it helps to have heated jacket so the neck don't get cold. Cheers mate. Good questions. thank you ☕️
I went with a layering system 3 years ago and I'm still a big fan of it.
Beside fitting I decided based on 2 points: a) price b) Made in Europe
Remark: looks like your mid layer is longer than the shell layer and in rainy conditions it may get wet.
I hope the gear will support your needs and is comfortable,
Bernd 💙💛🏁🤛🏼
Yeah, the heated jacket from Mosko is a little bit long, so if it rains I stuff it inside the pants or curl it up into the jacket and put on the wind barrier that goes around your waist.
Utrolig bra video Thomas. Vurdere selv å bytte til full Leatt armor og mosko moto basilisk system, primært pga varmen og mulighet til å droppe jakka. Men er litt bekymret for at det bli ubehagelig å ha på body armor og knebeskyttere flere dager på rad, og ikke minst måtte gå rundt med det på spisesteder og småstopp. Er også litt usikker på om det blir så hassle å ta på utstyret hver gang jeg skal ut å kjøre, at jeg går tilbake til vanlig mc dress på turer. Blir spennende å høre dine betraktninger rundt dette etter årets sesong. Ønsker deg en riktig god sommer!
Dette er helt klart noen av mine største bekymringer også. Her oppe i nord er det svært lite av fordelene jeg ser at jeg selv kommer til å bruke. Jeg kan telle på en hånd de sikkert 100.000km eller mer jeg har kjørt i min badland suit hvor det har vært for varmt. Men når det er sagt, så har jeg ikke kjørt sørover på sommeren når det er som varmest. Det er mulig jeg havner på en to dress løsning om dette ikke er så fantastisk som alle skal ha det til. Selv så har jeg fortsatt mine tvil, men jeg skal teste det skikkelig 🙈 God sommer til deg også. Kommer oppfølging så snart jeg føler jeg har nok erfaring til å kunne konkludere.
Tjommi, I have done exactly the same! - taken the D3O from another suit and swapped out the Forcefield pads. I have gone with the level 1 D3O instead of level 2 so not only is it more comfortable but also marginally slimmer too. Like you, I am lucky I can try out these swaps as well as possessing the options of the Knox jacket (thanks Nomad!), the Forcefield armour and a small variety of Klim suits to wear what the time of year and type of riding demands.
The conclusion is - probably nothing is perfect BUT some combinations allow us to ignore those remaining imperfections, and that's enough.
I would love to see Adventure Spec do some upgrades to this super shirt with more slim armour. I get the impression that a lot of people do this, change the armour. I think you are dead on with that mate. Nothing is perfect, but some combinations allow us to ignore those remaining imperfections. Well said indeed 🤌🏻
Nice video Thomas, really interesting review and discussion. I'm pretty sure I'll stick with my Rev'it Vertical Jacket and Klim pants for the Winter..ie November to March, but i will try a different set up for the rest of the year, probably a mixture of Mosko Moto and Adventure Spec. 2 questions my friend...does the Mosko moto heated jacket roll up fairly small..or would that damage the heating elements..? And what knee protection are you using..? Cheers, Steve 💚
Thank you Stephen. Yes I may find me in the situation where I use more gear depending on the season, not just stick to one. I like the ease of just having one suit and be done with it. The mosko jacket has kevlar heated panels, so they can be stuffed or rolled up without taking damage. I use some extra heavy duty MTB knee pads. So I can use them for mountain biking as well. Not only Motorcycle. They are probably not the best for heavy off road, but for my kind of adventure riding it should hold up fine. It is from a Norwegian brand called Sweat Protection
@tshansen Thanks Thomas 😊
For some odd reason i have always thought that a lateres system would be much lighter. That made me question my future choices for sure. I see a nice advantage with the choices and options you have with a layered setup, but not enough to leave me without a doubt.
I'm very much in doubt myself mate. I'm not convinced that is for me yet, and I really have to try it out on longer trips and in all conditions before I could say this is better than that (for me) I know very well how great my Badlands suit has been, so it is fun to try something new, but it is a little bit hard as well 😂 But I hope that this video could show that the latest and greatest is not always best. But you should always consider options when looking at gear and find something that match your needs. There is a lot of great brands on the market that makes incredible gear for us. I wish I could try them all.
Muito legal 👏👏👍👊👊😄😄🇧🇷🇧🇷
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Great video. 👍 Personally. I use Oxford Mondial 2.0 Advanced suit. This cost me £500 GDP. (579euro) Personally, I think some brands you have to pay far too much for them. when you can get the exact same performance from a cheaper setup. My Oxford suit I has never let me get wet in torrential rain for a whole day riding. I have upgraded the armour over the year to D3O AA level. I have worn this suit for over 14000 miles here in Ireland. I ride ALL winter when I can down to Zero deg when it isn't icy roads. With my suit with its built-in Thermal layer and wearing a Marino wool top and leggings, I have never ever felt cold while riding. But I will admit the suit does get wayyy too warm in summer when the temp gets higher than 25deg. after this point, the venting is not adequate enough. BUt personally, I couldn't be bothered with all the adding & removing layers. I like that I pull on my jacket and trousers and that's it. I open the vents and they work well enough up to 20-25deg. Here in Ireland we don't see higher than 30 Ever LMAO... I prefer the convenience of one suit does all.
Well, that I have to agree on mate. Some of the gear we find today is really expensive and makes you wonder if it is really worth it. But this comes down to how much you use it as well... some people just ride 3000-6000 miles every year, some ride all year around every day. Then a suit or clothing you can rely on is key and way more important. And in some cases (with membrane clothing) you get what you pay for. I'm outdoor man and have been living close to the sea and mountains all my life, and I know really well how much crap and poor gear and equipment that is out there compare to some of the great ones. And that can sometimes be reflected in the price. We have the same here in Norway. It is not many days a year it is over 25 degrees. And when it Is hot like this, I tend to not want to ride or camp. But if you want to ride in warmer climate for longer periodes of time, it is great to have the option to dress down without compromising on the safety or protection.
I have also been a one suit does it all type of guy for 8 years now. So it was time to see if I would like the other, or if I will stay on the dark side 😂 Cheers
The two concepts aren't really comparable, in my opinion, just different tools. I use my Badlands for shoulder seasons because it's an easy all-in-one solution for bad & unpredictable weather, typically cooler weather. It worked well for the Arctic trip I took as well. The layering works well in variable to hot conditions, where the mornings/ evenings can be cool and the daytime is hot. It's nice to be able to adjust as needed. I do think there is a discussion to be had around safety, more specifically the garment construction, slide zones, etc. Most ADV riders have to travel over pavement to get off-road; for me, that's anywhere from 1 hour to 3 hours pavement to get to where I want to ride off-road, so the gear has to be able to withstand a pavement slide should that happen. I like my skin where it currently is. Having said that, I prefer the armour attached to me and not my jacket or pants, which can move around. Cheers, my friend. I look forward to your riding season.
I don't mind having a discussion about safety on even playing grounds. I highly recommend you to take a look at Ryans latest video (Fortnine) I have seen similar statistic around accidents that happens in Norway, because of the job I have and personal interests. This is off course stuff I can't share, but gives me a much better insight of what is safe and what people believe is safe. And sometimes this discussions feels like trying to convince the flat earthers that the earth is round.
Yes, there should be some slide resistant in some garment, everyone needs to define what is safe for them. Loosing some skin I'm willing to take compared to broken bones, puncture lungs, torn of vanes etc. Cheers mate 🔥
It will be interesting to hear your experience. Like you are saying, for riding adventure touring in Scandinavia, it’s hard to beat three layer laminated Gore text gear like Kim or Rukka or some other premium brand, it’s so close to sitting in a car you can get on a motorcycle . 🤩 But For warmer climate or active riding Laminated Gore Tex gets really warm. 🤔
So far it has been some quirks I have had to get used to. I'm guessing that with age I have become more conservative and like how things are 😂 Not everything new is good. Well, to be fair, it is quite a luxury to have the possibility to test this out and give it a proper try. Will follow up on this trough the season.
@@tshansen I know Mattias really like it, but he really ride his bike in a active way. That’s good that some one more skeptic testing them. Even if it’s an amazing way to dress it doesn’t necessarily fit every person’s need 👍
@@JoonesAdventuresMC that is part of the reason i said yes to this! Because i’m sceptical and not convinsed this is the shit (yet) 🙈🎥
@@tshansen Definitely a good reason. also that you are open with your skepticism, That makes you trustworthy.👍
You should try a string vest baselayer, they're even made in Norway.
What we used to call Helsetrøye here in Norway? I have two, one from brynje and one from Aklima.
@@tshansen It's what we call "netting" 😉
Very interesting, layering does make sense. Could it bee that too many layers makes putting on the clothes cumbersome? All in one suit sounds very quick and easy 🤔
Yes, it does... maybe it is something you need to get used to? I'm not sure, but there is some stuff I need to get used to, and I can't clearly see this as a better option than I already have. But I'm willing to put it trough some serious testing and hope that I will be a wiser guy in a couple of months
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How do you like Supershirt do you know how breathable does it seem. I am planning to get one for the summer trip.
The supershirt impress me a lot! It blows right trough it so it is super breathable! Perfect for summer trips! But i do imagine you would need i jersey or something if it’s not super hot
@@tshansen Thanks that is reassuring to know. Yes I am going with hard shell jacket and some Jersey as well so I can combine different layers.
Zie ik het goed dat je in het begint met TDK 80 en eindigt met Dunlop trailmax raid? hoe bevallen deze als het zo is. Goede uitleg over de kleding.
Ik heb veel TKC80-voorkant en Mitas-achterkant gebruikt, sommige motoz en TKC70 ook. Ik hou ervan om verschillende banden uit te proberen en ja, dat klopt, dit jaar ben ik overgestapt op Dunlop. Ik heb ze net aangetrokken en ben bezig met een eerste indrukvideo. Ik hoop daar al uw vragen te kunnen beantwoorden. Maar mijn eerste indrukken zijn echt goed, maar er moet nog veel meer worden getest.
Ik blijf je volgen, blijft uitzoeken welke banden het beste bij je passen voor mij nat en droog asfalt en off road zand, grind en beetje modder. Ik maak het mij niet te moeilijk.
What is the best?🤔 The same discussen like the luggage system - hard or soft. Ride what you like.
Yeah, for us who knows better that is easy. But there is so many beginners who are really in search for knowledge out there. And I think we owe them to explain the differences and that not the biggest hype online is the right answer always. Cheers
Mosko Moto has the most serious Baby-poop colored items ive seen so far.
Hahaha, yeah their colours is not for everyone. Personally I really like that dessert look 🤩
Which brand is better, Klim or Mosko?
I don’t think one is better than the other, i think it comes more down to what your needs are 🤔
@@tshansen tourist clothing...
The Elite shirt by Bowtex is AAA rated. It’s very lightweight and much more comfortable than Knox (just got rid of mine..)
Never heard of this brand? Cheers mate, need to check this out.
What is a name of your klim suite?
Klim Badlands Pro
and don't forget, Klim BADLANDS is gore-tex, and Mosko Moto BASILISK is not, only DWR treatment. So you will need to bring with you a rain kit. I love my Badlands Pro.
News for you mate, badlands is also DWR, all membrane products are this! Mosko is the event membrane! Badland is Gore tex! Same stuff different name! And the event membrane is actually rated as better and more waterproof than Goretex 🤣🤌🏻
@@tshansen Durable Water Repellent (DWR) both are DWR, Klim and Mosko. Goretex is a layering membranes that Mosko don't use.
@@sylvainlavoie8235 yes, that is a liquid you use to wash your Goretex or other membrane to make it more water repellent again! Educate yourself, go in and Google event membrane
I just saw that Mosko use their own membrane they name ''eVent'' , so it can be comparable to goretex,
@@sylvainlavoie8235 no it is not mosko’s own membrane! It is a different membrane on the same level as Goretex! You have many membranes like this! Not only Goretex 😉
Layering is a great solution for full day to mutli day trips, but it is just too much work putting on so many layers and armor for a 10 minute commute. I am running a all in one solution and will be getting a laying system when i can afford to have more than 1 set of riding gear.
I think you are absolutely right my friend. And this is exactly how I will use it this season. On day to day stuff, I just use my Klim suit
Prices of ”adventurized” riding gear are outrageous nowadays. On top of what you listed, you add good gloves, helmet & boots and you’ve spent 4ke.
Steet oriented good riding gear set is half from that price.
Well, I'm lucky enough to come from the street riding scene and racing scene, so I know that some high quality leather suits are not cheap, so I would say that most helmets, and gloves for that is similar. But yes, demand and market dictated the price, and we have seen I rise in price tag within the adventure scene. But keep in mind that a good adventure suite needs to be good in more conditions.
@@tshansen I’m still in race track scene and would say that prices are lower there for good gear set. Good Dainese is 1ke and best aibag leather suit is like 2ke. Regarding adv labeling of products, adds a lot to price, like Mosko Woodsman pant, almost 470 e from non waterproof hiking pant is steep. Theyr good, I have them, but price is ridiculous.
If somebody really want to experience layering its best to skip membaraned waterproof abrasion resistant combi layer and use separate waterproof layer. Adventure Spec Linesman jacket was eye opening experience after moving away from Klim products. Riding on hot and especially on mild/cold is totally different when there is not that membarane layer messing up everything. And yes, I do drive in wet, for that there’s plenty of small packing top layers to keep you dry.
I think the Klim Carlsbad is probably as good as the Badlands pro, given the price difference. 17400SEK for Carlsbad and 26200SEK for Badlands Pro.
I tried on both jackets in the store and the badlands felt way safer, but the carlsbad felt much lighter.
Personally i am looking into the badlads because it made me feel safe.
I bougth the carlsbad pants last season and that is great, although not the best in cold spring season because there is no inner layer so i have to use wool underneat.
becuse the Badlands pro have 3 layer goretex, and carlsbad have 2 layers
I have not tested the Carlsbad my self, just put it on in the store. and the difference is huge. For my kind of riding, I would pick the badlands Pro over the Carlsbad any day.
What's the difference?
@@Jpson67 first of all, the 3 layer laminated Gore-tex compared to 2 layers! The super fabric used, the armour and finally, the adjustments and the extra pockets (i like that)
Is it only me that think its way to expensive?! I love my Mosko bags, and would love the layering stuff from them, but i can´t afford it 😅
I don't think you are alone in that my friend. It is without a doubt premium gear with the price up there with some of the other premium brands. If it is too much or not is up to each and everyone to decide. I would not have the money to buy this myself, or have to systems like this.
@@tshansenI just figured it out, i just sell a kidney 😅
I just sold my Klim carlsbad jacket, using the Knox instead. Maybe Euro jackpot will land in my lap...
Dress like an onion as they say 🧅
Like an ogre 😂 hope you don't mind me trying to push interest into your videos (witch I love myself) 🙌🏻
@@tshansen there’s a city called Ogre in Latvia 😁 I especially returned to Morocco now to make more videos for you, no other reason, I swear 😆
@@ArvidsBaranovs Hahaha, I need to visit that town 😂 That is perfect, you always make me so happy 🤩
So if you ski, you have all of this in your closet. Proprietary moto gear is a scam outside of your armor layer. Everyone...stop feeding the machine that keeps you poor.
Well, some of it, yes. But keep in mind that ski clothing does not have the extra reinforcements and ventilation in the right places when crouched down behind a windscreen etc. But if you have the correct base and mid layer, you could actually use what ever you feel comfortable with. So you ski clothing is not part of the machine that keep you poor I reckon?
@tshansen I meant that if you have a ski base layer mid layer etc you don't need moto specific. I know you're sponsored and have to feed the machine to feed us so you're doing a great job.
@@markjacobs3956 That is correct, you actually don't need any motorcycle specific. A lot of different clothing can work for the same purpose. I'm supported by some brands that I choose to work with, but I don't get any money and I will never compromise my integrity with hyping a product I don't like. or would not spend money on myself.
@tshansen Your videos are beautiful and well done. Sorry if this came across wrong. I just get tired of some influencers and riders making some feel that if you don't spend $5000 on gear, you are a loser. Big Rock Moto comes to mind... At the age of 60 and 50 years of riding every genre of bike I still continue to not be the cool kid and like it that way. Cheers. Stay safe.
@markjacobs3956 no worries mate 👏🏻 and i understand you 100% thats why i made this video! You don’t have to spend 100 or 1000 of dollars on new stuff to have a great Adventure or enjoying Motorcycle! Keep on rocking mate 🔥