Agree, at least they talked about the elephant in the room!! My neighbor and me took on a project tractor back in the late 70s and it was an oliver with big plans to do custom baling for locals. I think it was an 88 that was an older model because the sides of the engine were covered. I do remember pulling it out of the tree row it was in and thankfully the engine was not stuck. With some work, we got it running and one of my uncles gave us an old IH square baler on the condition that we do not return it when we get tired of custom baling for people, ha ha ha! We found some used parts for the baler and got it running as well, and the Oliver with that 6 cylinder had no problem running that baler! Seems like we never took any photos then, so it's only in my memory. Can't remember making too much money, but we had a heck of a good time and did get a few jobs within tractor driving distance. In Iowa, we had a 5 cent deposit on beer/pop cans starting in the summer of 79, so we walked the main highway picking up hundreds of beer cans and cashed them in to buy a tank of regular fuel! Good times, it's funny what pulls out memories in a fella's brain, too bad we have no photos, but we had no time for that, ha ha !
Other than the US market this range was the 2000 range, I used to drive a 2620 on a neighbours farm, I felt like a king. Great machine, 6 cylinder Perkins. this was the pinnacle of MF, later in the 80's they struggled with R & D and mismanagement. With out the intervention form AGCO, MF would be in the history books. Under ACGO, MF are manufacturing exceptional tractors.
The Perkins engine has much respect in the US, it's a great engine! The early to mid 80's was a rough time in the US for Ag, many mfg companies for Ag bit the dust, even mighty John Deere had problems. The first example that popped in my head was IH and Case, if Tenneco hadn't bought Case, then IH, I'm not sure you'd have CNH today as it is. In Iowa, it's Deere country, but we do support an AGCO dealer that specializes in MF. That dealer is housed in one of the original IH dealers in our area - I think it switched just after IH was bought by Tenneco. Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it!
I had an older friend several years ago that run MF tractors for years and years. My dad and I run those old John Deeres because that is all we could afford. As the years passed, I took over the farming operation, all the while buying those old green tractors. All this time my good friend was still buying those old Massey Ferguesons, having more problems than he thought he should be having. In 1984 I bought a new John Deere 4450 powershift to go along with my two 4440s, my 4430, 4320, and two 3020s. One spring at planting time my friends Massey had to be put in the shop. He came to me and wanted to hire me to plant his crop. I told him I did not have time to plant his crop, but assured him he was welcome to take my 4450 and 7200 planter and put his crop in at no cost to him, as I was finished for the season and would be more than happy for him to use anything I had to get his crop in the ground. I FINALLY convinced him that he was welcome to take the rig, so he did! He didn't say much about the tractor when he brought it home other than he thanked me over and over for the use of it. HOWEVER... ...When he got his crop harvested that fall, he trades his Massey Fergueson for a used 4440 John Deere!!! One afternoon later in the fall we were plowing right across the fence from each other. He stopped his tractor and waved me down to chat about green tractors, I assumed. I asked him how he liked his "new" tractor. He laughed a big old belly laugh and said," I MAY HAVE THE DAMNED MUMPS AGAIN...BUT I WILL NOT EVER HAVE ANOTHER MASSEYFERGUESON TRACTOR!...And he didn't.
Great story, thanks for sharing! Well, the green ones you mentioned were (and still are) some great machines! We used many of those models on our farm, and I'd say the 4450 was one of the best we ever used! The 7000 & 8000 series were light years ahead, and they are still in the field today, but I'll never forget the day the dealer started our new 4440 - wow, what a beast that meant business! The 7410 was great, but it didn't give you the same tingle down to your toes like the 4440 at startup! Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it!
Your an exaggerated big lier I grew up around masseys during the 60s 70s 80s and 90s and all I saw was deere John's constant breaking down HA HA HA HA , and now all I see is deere john combines burning up yea literally burning the f_ _ k up in huge flames I've never ever seen or heard of massey ferguson combines literally burning up so you know what you can do with your lieing about masseys and your extremely operating deere John's NOTHING FALLS APART LIKE A DEERE.
We mostly ran Massey Ferguson’s going back to the 1960’s. The only trouble we had was with a few of the 200 series was the power steering after a lot of hrs. My son has had 5 John Deere’s. And one was a lemon I think it was a 6120 it had electrical problems and breaks and hydraulic problems. The other 4 were good. I have a 5320 JD cab tractor I had a lot of problems with a electric short, it caused the alternator to run hot and burn up. Finally a guy that works a Etown electric motors did something to the inside of the alternator to keep it from running hot and burning up. I had spent $1700 at the local JD dealership and they couldn’t fix it. The other big trouble has been keeping the air conditioning running. I had to put a front and a rear wheel bearing in it. And injectors and a injection pump. And had to have the joystick rebuilt for the front loader, also had to put a water pump on it. I got 10,300 hrs on the 5320 JD I plan on keeping it, because I figure I know what problems it has , buying another used tractor you never know what you are getting . Bought a MF that ran good for a couple of months then blew a head gasket. Come to find out some had blew the engine up using ether, it had burn holes into the top of the block, I had to get another block and rebuild the engine. Other then that it’s a good tractor. You can get good a bad in all the different brands.
I know a former MF dealer who switched to JD franchise in the 80s. Like day and night. Said these J Deere’s are actually designed to be worked on and repaired with good service and repair Manuel’s and factory back up. Actually worth fixing as have good resale value. Deere was so far ahead. No contest.
I like MF, but Deere makes excellent tractors. JD also supported dealers when we had a rough go of it during the 80s. Thanks for watching and commenting plus sharing your story!
Still have two of these tractor’s both pre electric control of hydraulics very few problems with the old girls can still give the newer one a run for the money
Pure marketing bluster. But I must say the couple of times I operated my Dad's 3525 when visiting home it was pleasure to operate. With its MFWD and the electronic 3pt it could pull the plow better than the 2705 or 2745 he had when I was home. The AT6 in this generation ran much smoother.
They are showing a 135 HP tractor in most this video so why didn't they have a 2-135 white because it would have ruined there video it should of been a 4450 Deere to in video this video did not give the other manufactures a chance to compare tractor to tractor
Agree, the 4450 would have been the best to compare, but it would’ve been a Why Deere is better promo!! I had a 4450 and it was the best tractor I’ve ever used! The 1984 date says it all on this promo - some of the comps were a bit of a stretch! In NE Iowa, didn’t see many of these tractors, mostly the ertl variety! Ha ha. Hope you enjoyed the clip and thanks for watching!
I did use a Massey 1105 many years ago when I helped my neighbor after he go injured. I really respected that tractor! The Perkins started well and had plenty of power for disking.
@@opasvintagegarage the 1105 and 1135 had a lot better tranny set up they used keys instead of set screws lol !! The 1105 and 2-105 white had the identical same 354 Perkins !!
@@dwk7375 yes they are I had a 2-135 and a 2-155 and they were both beasts in the field but the 155 wouldn't out work the 135 but both pulled a 7 bottom plow like it wasn't back there !!
Cześć. Piszę z Polski. Mam MF 2640. Widzę, że Wszyscy, biorący udział w dyskusji, mają dużą praktykę, więc pewnie ktoś z Was wie, czy wszystkie stare modele serii 2000 (w USA, odpowiednikiem jest seria 3000?), mają te same przeniesienie napędu? Precyzując pytanie: czy model 2625 i 2725, miały skrzynię biegów, przekładnię główną (dyferencjał) obraz zwolnice, o tej samej wytrzymałości? Czy różnica pomiędzy modelami serii 2000 polega tylko na zróżnicowanej mocy silnikow i rozmiarze ogumienia, czy także na różnych komponentach przeniesienia napędu, dostosowanych do mocy silników? Najlepiej pytać praktyków.
Witam ze Stanów Zjednoczonych, mój rolniczy przyjacielu! Mam nadzieję, że uda się znaleźć odpowiedź na Twoje pytanie. Przetłumaczę, żeby inni wiedzieli, o co pytasz. Hi. I'm writing from Poland. I have an MF 2640. I see that everyone taking part in the discussion has a lot of practice, so probably some of you know whether all old models of the 2000 series (in the USA, the equivalent is the 3000 series?) have the same drive transmission? To clarify the question: did the 2625 and 2725 models have a gearbox, final drive (differential) and final drive, with the same durability? Is the difference between the 2000 series models only a matter of different engine power and tire size, or also of different drivetrain components adapted to the engine power? It's best to ask practitioners.
These rigs came with the Perkins 6 cylinder. In 86 or 87 our IH dealer switched to MF, and a few fellas that owned them seemed to have good luck. I wanted to demo one for feed grinding and liquid $h** hauling, but my father told me many guys were running into some financial issues due to the times, so we did the smart thing and waxed our D-17 AC! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Only issue is all there dam set screws in tranny if you take it apart and lock tight them all you would be ok in the last 2 months have worked on 3 of them from 50 hp to 135 HP and they all quit moving because shifting forks loosened up and the pto shaft and hub driving the FWA is not a good deal either !!
They may have been advertising the 3500 series, but it certainly wasn't the best tractor in that lineup. Near the bottom in my opinion, maybe one up over the 3688 IH but it would be a close race. The best thing you could say about a 3545 was it was a better tractor than a 2705 out of the gate and had a good engine and that was it. It is still an awkward tractor, the electronic hitch was plagued, the cabs couldn't keep an A/C, door wore fast and hung crooked after awhile, they would rust out the cab floorpans and the plastic moldings weren't great quality, and they still have poorer hydraulics than a 1105-1135. Was a few around and there were some great deals to be had on them in the 80's, but the Fords and the Deere's were better tractors and they held up better.
Weird that deere only offered a quad range.....too bad they didn't show the 15 speed ps. Also I thought a 4250 had a 466 in it? A 466 will eat a 354 alive all day. Maybe a 404 was close to a 354 but man alive a 466 was twisted all the way to 230 horse power in the combines
Yup, I don't think they wanted to turn the advertisement into "why a fella should buy JD". ha ha ha thanks for watching and commenting, I appreciate it! I do have respect for the MF line though, tough tractors! Yup, the 4250 had the 466 ci engine, same as the 4240 and 4440 (turbo) we had.
Those John Deere boys aren't going to like that! ha ha ha. Not sure about that, but I will say that John Deere gambled in the mid 1980s and kept all the dealerships open in the small town when all the other brands were closing and consolidating. Love JD or hate them, in Wisconsin or Iowa, you can trip over all the dealerships, and the big one stock parts. AGCO parts? You need to pre-order and either pay to have them shipped or drive an hour to pick-up you parts. I worked on a fellas JD 4240 and the JD boys had the parts in stock, can you say that about AGCO? I love them all, maybe not IH so much (the TAs are nothing but trouble, sorry but they are - I'm sure a fella out in youtube land has the original to the tractor still working), but I will use or work on anything! If a guy wants to irritate a fella, tell him that it will take a week for parts!
@opasvintagegarage ya, I can say better than that about AGCO they have served me exceptionally very well. I have an 1150 v8 massey up here in Rensselaer County ny.and have never had any problems with service however my 1150 is a beast it has never broken down. Just basic service on it. Can you say that about your deere johns
@@user-bz7zh2uo7e glad you have had great service and low expenses with your equipment. I can only state what I know, most if not all equipment breaks and needs repair. It's easier for me to purchase parts from John Deere vs AGCO for the older equipment. I'm not defending or looking for an argument. God Bless and thanks for watching.
@opasvintagegarage I'm not looking for an argument either however facts are facts my massey ferguson is about 55yrs old and and is a finer better built machine than a deere john story. Just remember NOTHING FALLS APART LIKE A DEERE....
@@user-bz7zh2uo7e if you want to talk about reliability, I'd put my 1963 Allis D17 gas against anything. After 60 years I've replaced the muffler twice, power steering line and the water temp gauge. Plus, a shelf full of 1st place pulling trophies. West Allis knew how to build tractors. All that tractor wants to do is work.
I really enjoyed seeing them talk about a competitor using the Perkins and seeing that beautiful frame on the White holding the Perkins.
Agree, at least they talked about the elephant in the room!! My neighbor and me took on a project tractor back in the late 70s and it was an oliver with big plans to do custom baling for locals. I think it was an 88 that was an older model because the sides of the engine were covered. I do remember pulling it out of the tree row it was in and thankfully the engine was not stuck. With some work, we got it running and one of my uncles gave us an old IH square baler on the condition that we do not return it when we get tired of custom baling for people, ha ha ha! We found some used parts for the baler and got it running as well, and the Oliver with that 6 cylinder had no problem running that baler! Seems like we never took any photos then, so it's only in my memory. Can't remember making too much money, but we had a heck of a good time and did get a few jobs within tractor driving distance. In Iowa, we had a 5 cent deposit on beer/pop cans starting in the summer of 79, so we walked the main highway picking up hundreds of beer cans and cashed them in to buy a tank of regular fuel! Good times, it's funny what pulls out memories in a fella's brain, too bad we have no photos, but we had no time for that, ha ha !
Thanks for sharing, the MF 3500 series was actually a 2000 series tractor, very good the new 3000 series was leaps ahead, all good
Thanks for watching!
I have a 3000 series 1990 MF 3070 and love it.
Enjoyed that. I have a 3660 and have liked it. Started out at 15 running MF 165 and have liked them since.
Glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it!
I had a 3545 great tractor
Have a feeling a 2-135 White would make a 3545 Massey Ferguson look sick,
We had the little brother 2600 series here in The UK, great tractors!
Hello to our friends in the UK! Thanks for watching and sharing your experience with these rigs!
Other than the US market this range was the 2000 range, I used to drive a 2620 on a neighbours farm, I felt like a king. Great machine, 6 cylinder Perkins. this was the pinnacle of MF, later in the 80's they struggled with R & D and mismanagement. With out the intervention form AGCO, MF would be in the history books. Under ACGO, MF are manufacturing exceptional tractors.
The Perkins engine has much respect in the US, it's a great engine! The early to mid 80's was a rough time in the US for Ag, many mfg companies for Ag bit the dust, even mighty John Deere had problems. The first example that popped in my head was IH and Case, if Tenneco hadn't bought Case, then IH, I'm not sure you'd have CNH today as it is. In Iowa, it's Deere country, but we do support an AGCO dealer that specializes in MF. That dealer is housed in one of the original IH dealers in our area - I think it switched just after IH was bought by Tenneco. Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it!
So the 8s range tractors are needing new gearboxes less than 1000 hrs from new , I would say they are exceotional indeed
I had an older friend several years ago that run MF tractors for years and years. My dad and I run those old John Deeres because that is all we could afford.
As the years passed, I took over the farming operation, all the while buying those old green tractors. All this time my good friend was still buying those old Massey Ferguesons, having more problems than he thought he should be having. In 1984 I bought a new John Deere 4450 powershift to go along with my two 4440s, my 4430, 4320, and two 3020s.
One spring at planting time my friends Massey had to be put in the shop. He came to me and wanted to hire me to plant his crop. I told him I did not have time to plant his crop, but assured him he was welcome to take my 4450 and 7200 planter and put his crop in at no cost to him, as I was finished for the season and would be more than happy for him to use anything I had to get his crop in the ground. I FINALLY convinced him that he was welcome to take the rig, so he did!
He didn't say much about the tractor when he brought it home other than he thanked me over and over for the use of it. HOWEVER...
...When he got his crop harvested that fall, he trades his Massey Fergueson for a used 4440 John Deere!!!
One afternoon later in the fall we were plowing right across the fence from each other. He stopped his tractor and waved me down to chat about green tractors, I assumed. I asked him how he liked his "new" tractor. He laughed a big old belly laugh and said," I MAY HAVE THE DAMNED MUMPS AGAIN...BUT I WILL NOT EVER HAVE ANOTHER MASSEYFERGUESON TRACTOR!...And he didn't.
Great story, thanks for sharing! Well, the green ones you mentioned were (and still are) some great machines! We used many of those models on our farm, and I'd say the 4450 was one of the best we ever used! The 7000 & 8000 series were light years ahead, and they are still in the field today, but I'll never forget the day the dealer started our new 4440 - wow, what a beast that meant business! The 7410 was great, but it didn't give you the same tingle down to your toes like the 4440 at startup! Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it!
Your an exaggerated big lier I grew up around masseys during the 60s 70s 80s and 90s and all I saw was deere John's constant breaking down HA HA HA HA , and now all I see is deere john combines burning up yea literally burning the f_ _ k up in huge flames I've never ever seen or heard of massey ferguson combines literally burning up so you know what you can do with your lieing about masseys and your extremely operating deere John's NOTHING FALLS APART LIKE A DEERE.
We mostly ran Massey Ferguson’s going back to the 1960’s. The only trouble we had was with a few of the 200 series was the power steering after a lot of hrs. My son has had 5 John Deere’s. And one was a lemon I think it was a 6120 it had electrical problems and breaks and hydraulic problems. The other 4 were good. I have a 5320 JD cab tractor I had a lot of problems with a electric short, it caused the alternator to run hot and burn up. Finally a guy that works a Etown electric motors did something to the inside of the alternator to keep it from running hot and burning up. I had spent $1700 at the local JD dealership and they couldn’t fix it. The other big trouble has been keeping the air conditioning running. I had to put a front and a rear wheel bearing in it. And injectors and a injection pump. And had to have the joystick rebuilt for the front loader, also had to put a water pump on it. I got 10,300 hrs on the 5320 JD I plan on keeping it, because I figure I know what problems it has , buying another used tractor you never know what you are getting . Bought a MF that ran good for a couple of months then blew a head gasket. Come to find out some had blew the engine up using ether, it had burn holes into the top of the block, I had to get another block and rebuild the engine. Other then that it’s a good tractor. You can get good a bad in all the different brands.
I know a former MF dealer who switched to JD franchise in the 80s. Like day and night. Said these J Deere’s are actually designed to be worked on and repaired with good service and repair Manuel’s and factory back up. Actually worth fixing as have good resale value. Deere was so far ahead. No contest.
I like MF, but Deere makes excellent tractors. JD also supported dealers when we had a rough go of it during the 80s. Thanks for watching and commenting plus sharing your story!
we call them 2000 series in the uk
That was great . wondering if you could find some videos on implaments that go on john deere 4020 mid or front PTO ?
Thanks for watching, I'll do my best to find that!
Still have two of these tractor’s both pre electric control of hydraulics very few problems with the old girls can still give the newer one a run for the money
Yup! They bring food prices at auction for those very reasons! Thanks for your comment!
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Pure marketing bluster. But I must say the couple of times I operated my Dad's 3525 when visiting home it was pleasure to operate. With its MFWD and the electronic 3pt it could pull the plow better than the 2705 or 2745 he had when I was home. The AT6 in this generation ran much smoother.
Sir, I think you hit the nail on the head! Thanks for watching I appreciate it!
They are showing a 135 HP tractor in most this video so why didn't they have a 2-135 white because it would have ruined there video it should of been a 4450 Deere to in video this video did not give the other manufactures a chance to compare tractor to tractor
Agree, the 4450 would have been the best to compare, but it would’ve been a Why Deere is better promo!! I had a 4450 and it was the best tractor I’ve ever used! The 1984 date says it all on this promo - some of the comps were a bit of a stretch! In NE Iowa, didn’t see many of these tractors, mostly the ertl variety! Ha ha. Hope you enjoyed the clip and thanks for watching!
I did use a Massey 1105 many years ago when I helped my neighbor after he go injured. I really respected that tractor! The Perkins started well and had plenty of power for disking.
@@opasvintagegarage the 1105 and 1135 had a lot better tranny set up they used keys instead of set screws lol !! The 1105 and 2-105 white had the identical same 354 Perkins !!
2-135 White is a beast,
@@dwk7375 yes they are I had a 2-135 and a 2-155 and they were both beasts in the field but the 155 wouldn't out work the 135 but both pulled a 7 bottom plow like it wasn't back there !!
Trying to find cause of transmission oil getting into engine sump any suggestions welcome bill whiteley orange australia
The 2-88 and 2-110 have the 354 also
Good luck finding one though
Cześć. Piszę z Polski. Mam MF 2640. Widzę, że Wszyscy, biorący udział w dyskusji, mają dużą praktykę, więc pewnie ktoś z Was wie, czy wszystkie stare modele serii 2000 (w USA, odpowiednikiem jest seria 3000?), mają te same przeniesienie napędu? Precyzując pytanie: czy model 2625 i 2725, miały skrzynię biegów, przekładnię główną (dyferencjał) obraz zwolnice, o tej samej wytrzymałości?
Czy różnica pomiędzy modelami serii 2000 polega tylko na zróżnicowanej mocy silnikow i rozmiarze ogumienia, czy także na różnych komponentach przeniesienia napędu, dostosowanych do mocy silników?
Najlepiej pytać praktyków.
Witam ze Stanów Zjednoczonych, mój rolniczy przyjacielu! Mam nadzieję, że uda się znaleźć odpowiedź na Twoje pytanie. Przetłumaczę, żeby inni wiedzieli, o co pytasz.
Hi. I'm writing from Poland. I have an MF 2640. I see that everyone taking part in the discussion has a lot of practice, so probably some of you know whether all old models of the 2000 series (in the USA, the equivalent is the 3000 series?) have the same drive transmission? To clarify the question: did the 2625 and 2725 models have a gearbox, final drive (differential) and final drive, with the same durability?
Is the difference between the 2000 series models only a matter of different engine power and tire size, or also of different drivetrain components adapted to the engine power?
It's best to ask practitioners.
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Thanks for watching!
4-71 Detroit power unit?
These rigs came with the Perkins 6 cylinder. In 86 or 87 our IH dealer switched to MF, and a few fellas that owned them seemed to have good luck. I wanted to demo one for feed grinding and liquid $h** hauling, but my father told me many guys were running into some financial issues due to the times, so we did the smart thing and waxed our D-17 AC! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Only issue is all there dam set screws in tranny if you take it apart and lock tight them all you would be ok in the last 2 months have worked on 3 of them from 50 hp to 135 HP and they all quit moving because shifting forks loosened up and the pto shaft and hub driving the FWA is not a good deal either !!
Love mf tractor and I love you Pakistan
Thanks for watching!
They may have been advertising the 3500 series, but it certainly wasn't the best tractor in that lineup. Near the bottom in my opinion, maybe one up over the 3688 IH but it would be a close race. The best thing you could say about a 3545 was it was a better tractor than a 2705 out of the gate and had a good engine and that was it. It is still an awkward tractor, the electronic hitch was plagued, the cabs couldn't keep an A/C, door wore fast and hung crooked after awhile, they would rust out the cab floorpans and the plastic moldings weren't great quality, and they still have poorer hydraulics than a 1105-1135. Was a few around and there were some great deals to be had on them in the 80's, but the Fords and the Deere's were better tractors and they held up better.
Thanks for sharing your stories, I appreciate it! Can't disagree on the Deere comment! Ha ha
That is some aggressive advertising. 😅
Ha ha ha! Thanks for watching and commenting!
I’m not into setting still that long
Ha ha, I feel the same way sometimes! Thanks for watching (a little bit of the clip)!
Weird that deere only offered a quad range.....too bad they didn't show the 15 speed ps. Also I thought a 4250 had a 466 in it? A 466 will eat a 354 alive all day. Maybe a 404 was close to a 354 but man alive a 466 was twisted all the way to 230 horse power in the combines
Yup, I don't think they wanted to turn the advertisement into "why a fella should buy JD". ha ha ha thanks for watching and commenting, I appreciate it! I do have respect for the MF line though, tough tractors! Yup, the 4250 had the 466 ci engine, same as the 4240 and 4440 (turbo) we had.
If anyone has the suitcase weights for this series let me know
Why didn't they have a full powershift massey in the video? Nevermind I know why.
Thanks for watching and commenting I really appreciate it!
John deeres are the most overated tractors on the market
Those John Deere boys aren't going to like that! ha ha ha. Not sure about that, but I will say that John Deere gambled in the mid 1980s and kept all the dealerships open in the small town when all the other brands were closing and consolidating. Love JD or hate them, in Wisconsin or Iowa, you can trip over all the dealerships, and the big one stock parts. AGCO parts? You need to pre-order and either pay to have them shipped or drive an hour to pick-up you parts. I worked on a fellas JD 4240 and the JD boys had the parts in stock, can you say that about AGCO? I love them all, maybe not IH so much (the TAs are nothing but trouble, sorry but they are - I'm sure a fella out in youtube land has the original to the tractor still working), but I will use or work on anything! If a guy wants to irritate a fella, tell him that it will take a week for parts!
@opasvintagegarage ya, I can say better than that about AGCO they have served me exceptionally very well. I have an 1150 v8 massey up here in Rensselaer County ny.and have never had any problems with service however my 1150 is a beast it has never broken down. Just basic service on it. Can you say that about your deere johns
@@user-bz7zh2uo7e glad you have had great service and low expenses with your equipment. I can only state what I know, most if not all equipment breaks and needs repair. It's easier for me to purchase parts from John Deere vs AGCO for the older equipment. I'm not defending or looking for an argument. God Bless and thanks for watching.
@opasvintagegarage I'm not looking for an argument either however facts are facts my massey ferguson is about 55yrs old and and is a finer better built machine than a deere john story. Just remember NOTHING FALLS APART LIKE A DEERE....
@@user-bz7zh2uo7e if you want to talk about reliability, I'd put my 1963 Allis D17 gas against anything. After 60 years I've replaced the muffler twice, power steering line and the water temp gauge. Plus, a shelf full of 1st place pulling trophies. West Allis knew how to build tractors. All that tractor wants to do is work.