The worst part is, even being proven wrong by the fan reception, they refuse to take ownership of the abysmal failure and blame Henry AND the fans! This is pure insanity.
Its the idiot thing, disney, netflix, amazon, they are just making sht and then making excuses about it, but the question is, for how long can they keep losing for someone to finally understand that they are not the ones who choose what we like
Fuck ‘em. I hope they keep losing money. All this woke shit has gotta die and we can get back to making entertaining stories for everyone with strong men and beautiful women.
At first I felt bad that they replaced him as superman, considering he has the iconic look. However, looking at the state of the DCEU, he dodged a bullet.
He's been in flops his whole career. He plays the same character in everything he is in. I doubt we will see anything different for the rest of his career going forward.
DC did the same to him, Henry is such a genuine actor who actually cares about his roles. Its so sad he's getting the Leto treatment. Henry and Leto deserve better.
@@datboiashy2957 Leto got his treatment because he did one good job acting in Dallas Buyers Club, and now everyone thinks he can act. When in reality he can't act himself out of a wet paper bag.
I feel sorry for him too, until I remember that he's universally loved around the world, has a body that could turn me gay, is a true and genuine good guy and a millionaire.
You can't destroy that was destroyed from the begging. From first season the one good thing in this show was soundtrack. That's all. Witcher books are still awesome. Witcher games are still awesome. We don't need something much more worse than them.
Henry will excel in a WARHAMMER role and if that actually happens, Henry will prove to the writers that following the source material makes a world of difference not only for the shows outcome, but how the fans react.
@@kevinc8955 I would love an animated adaption rather than a live action one. I really liked Hammer and Bolter that gw did so a style like that but with a gigantic bigger budget would be cool.
Henry has my total respect for choosing his integrity and love of the source material over a paycheck, and being strong enough to defend what he believes in and walk away from something he wanted for so long.
I feel bad for Liam coming onto this dead show. Cuz while I don’t know him or his work well, he’s probably a decent guy and good actor. But by comparison to Henry who left due to his standards and respect of the source material, Liam will look like a lil B with no integrity just doing whatever he’s told to get a job.
Well he knew he can start project or different acting career after instead of staying with sinking ship. It's not like he was struggling actor had to make a hard choice.
BEHOLD, THE AWAKENING OF THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND, THE WARHAMMER 40K FANS ARE WAITING. (Im Chilean, by the way, that say a lot about what are expecting the fans here. And if you are wandering why wh 40k are a thing right now in spanish speaking, a puppy in a red cup made it possible, literally. It's called 3Huntle0.)
The thing about the Witcher is that the original books do actually reach a point where the monster slaying becomes less important, and we start to focus more on politics, ancient prophecies, and the war with Nilfgaard. Ciri also does start to take more of the spotlight toward the end of the saga. It's never to the extent of Witcher Netflix mind you, but she does reach a point where her role in the story is as important as Geralt's. The key difference though...is that the books were actually well written, and made the shift in focus work. People would come for the monster slaying, and then be surprised by how interesting everything else was too. That doesn't happen with this show, because the writing is awful. So, when the monster hunting starts to become less significant, the show has nothing else to maintain the interest of the audience. Had they actually followed the books, and told the story properly, the way the original author did, then they wouldn't have this problem. Unfortunately, they screwed it up, and are now paying the price.
The thing that upsets me the most is the writers trying to drag Henry's name and reputation through the mud just because he disagrees with them. Seriously, screw them!
I'm unfortunately unsurprised, this is how most of the modern generation behaves. Disagree with them = get your name dragged through the mud and canceled on Twitter, it's just how these supposedly progressive and accepting people operate.
They're job is already half done too. A lot of the creativity work and baseline story is there. THEY JUST NEED TO CONNECT THE DOTS. If they can't do it, let an AI do it.
13:30 Absolutely 100% on point! The writers' ego gets in the way. They need to make everything 'their own' and give it their personal scent-mark. But in reality all they're really doing is pissing on it.
People need to learn that when you adapt a character driven story, you need to preserve that character's traits, not swap them. You also need to respect the rules that the world has established. You'll then find that audiences are willing to accept a lot more in terms of deviation - so long as the pillars are respected and preserved.
@@kevinc8955 But it basically always goes wrong when you move from the source material. Any writer than forces character traits to change from source material, 90% of the time are only doing it because they wanted to write their own story, but aren't good enough writers to make their own so have to jump off the back of another's success. Therefore, they mess it up almost every time
@@kevinc8955 I have seen way too often, when writers deviate from source material worlds fundamental rules, they forget what they did few episodes ago and we get plot holes.
It's almost as if the characters and their interactions are what made the source material so engaging and alluring. The games knew that and despite being outside of the books' timeline/events, they constantly call back to well known scenes, stay true to the characters and their intentions, and new characters outside of the book act well within the world rules and lore created within them. The show on the other hand set out to appropriate the source material and only use the name to sucker fans in. It's sad really. They were handed a massive diamond and turned it into turd.
The key to a good adaptation, as far as I can tell, is staying true to the characters. Fans will forgive, or even like, a lot of deviations as long as they see the characters they've come to like be portrayed as accurately as possible. If they're doing a good job with that (which usually means no attribute-swapping), the rest will more likely fit than not.
That was the mentality during the filming of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. They knew they had to make changes for film but wanted to stay true to the characters and Tolkiens' vision.
Maybe because growing up I was watching reruns of Buffy and Xena (and secretly falling in love with Ares), I know that a girl main character in a series can be done and done right. However, the main character needs character development, by taking a peripheral character and trying to make it a main, it not only destroys the original storyline and disappoints the hardcore fans, it creates a wimpy underdeveloped main character that can't attract new fans. It wouldn't have hurt if they'd just made a "5 to 15 years later" spinoff with a main story of a girl trying to follow in her father's footsteps, or taken another entirely unfamiliar character into the same universe, let's call it Buffy the demon slayer 😂 and they could have been as creative as they'd like
When he asks the questions “why couldn’t just be about the Witcher, who gives a shit about the side characters?” I think it’s because the side charters can be self inserts from writers. They can’t identify with the Witcher because they probably only see the Witcher as a muscle bound hero jock, ect. So their egos get wrapped up in the side characters they can self insert as meaning the show has to feature those side characters all the more…
Yeah, Hissrich has gone on record talking about how much of herself she sees in Yennefer and that’s why she made sure there was waaaay more Yennefer in the show when it doesn’t work. It’s crap.
the situations geralt gets himself into the witching the politics the wars are far more interesting than the love interests shows and movies put too much emphasis on people falling in love
I've never understood why any writing team is like like, "We can do better than this widely successful author." Especially when the showwriters have proven before that they cannot handle the task.
It's their obsessive need to self insert and push "the message." They have to hijack popular IP because if they tried to create original content with their self inserts and activism, no one would watch.
Because they want the popularity the name and genre have garnered while shuffling around the names and faces of characters, making their own story they were too incompetent or insecure to make on their own without a well known previously beloved story.....
I think at times it's just a matter of personal tastes differing from the original creator and wanting to make improvements on something, but most of the time I agree with smiley in the replies here. And in the interest of fairness to some writers on legacy IPs, they have to play ball with showbiz and showbiz just wants to shit out the safest bets possible. Many many original works are not allowed to enter production in hollywood and the like because they aren't from a proven IP. The men behind some of the greatest Disney movies ever made kept reworking old fairytales and such in hopes to finally get a shot at their dream project only for disney to do absolutely no advertising for it at all and then throw them under the bus, after ages of stringing them along with "Okay, after this one you get your dream project." The ego of moronic writers should be called out and brutally shamed, and I also think its worthwhile to remember the hostility all creatives are treated with and lack of choices given to them by the business side of show business.
I think there's also "Dunning Krugger" effect involved. They somehow think they're better and smarter because they lack experiences and skill to write, too arrogant to see their shortcomings.
I'm thinking of writing something to be honest. Whatever I do write, it would 100% be vastly superior to the dog sh*t these people come up with and they are writing from an already established franchise. I could imagine something on the spot better than all of these fools.
I was so pumped for a witcher series. And slowly yet surely I was let down. Such a FANTASTIC series to be put into film and yet, they had to girl boss it up and stray so far off. It's a mutated man who slays monsters. It's not hard to mess up, yet they did.
and the funny thing is that they could've kept the girlbossing if they wanted to but that should've never been the MAIN focus while the mc is just sitting around doing barely anything....
Watched old Polish Witcher tv series. Effects are soooooo bad. Low budget 70s-80s horror bad. Dragon that looks like a muppet bad. An you need subtitles. But it was still a better version.
Hopefully one day soon, Henry Cavill will transition from acting to directing/show running and then maybe we can actually get some good fantasy shows/movie adaptations.
That show was so lucky to have Cavill because he's not only an actor but also a fan of the Witcher who knows his stuff. I remember the first interviews with him where he was so happy and looking forward to being Geralt. He was so invested, it was heartbreaking to see that vanish over time. I mean - they literally made fun of him for knowing and loving the source material - and then proceeded to drive the show into the ground. It reminded me a lot of Sir Christopher Lee in Lord of the Rings (who knew Tolkien personally ffs) and how shitty Peter Jackson treated him. (He literally cut Sarumans death scene out of ROTK and never told Lee, the man had to find out while watching the premiere, fu Jackson) Can we petition to have Cavill just paint warhammer models on youtube and talk about them bc I would watch that for hours
I have read the books and the dynamic of Ciri being Elder Blood and everybody being after her is the driving force of the series, but Geralt going after her and having to complete contracts and kill monsters to survive and find her is the meat of the story.
@@samuelho4771 Start reading the books, its true. I actually reread them not long ago. I dont say that they didnt add stuff in or left stuff out. But the point about "witcher is about geralt" is just wrong. So many parts in the books are only about ciri and geralt has more like a side role.
@@NapfkuchenCiri gets slightly more page time than Geralt only in the Tower of the Swallow. In The Last Wish and Season of Storms she's not present at all and has very small parts in Sword of Destiny and Baptism of Fire. In the rest of the books they have equal parts. Geralt is the main protagonist. Its easy to forget that Geralts the main character because so much of what happens revolves around Ciri. Without Geralt there is no story, without Ciri there is no main Plot.
I didn't even watch episode 1 of season 1, when I heard the showrunners basically say they were going to rewrite everything to tailor it for a modern American audience? I knew it was going to be a complete dumpster fire. It was. It is nothing like the books or nothing like the games. No interest in tarnishing my perception of the lore and I feel bad that Cavill had to subject himself to three seasons of this nonsense.
As someone who read the books majority of the time we follow the point of view of Gerlt and his view and he’s actually quite the talkative guy despite his Lonewolf status, there are times where the POV changes between ciri and triss but not as much as the show
There's no single PoV from Triss in entire saga. Well, meaby half of first chapter in Blood of the Elves wen she was on her track to Ker Moren and meets Ciri for first time but that's it.
@@piotrkarp9562 you don't remember when Triss was searching for Yennefer? If I remember correctly she was incognito in some tavern listening to this woman from skellige talk about yennefer ending up in the ocean. Again I might be remembering wrong but I'm pretty sure that was all from the point of view of Triss.
@@randomfactsthatdontmatter3466 You know, you might be right! But even then, yeah, we have only two chapters for 5 books. I mean... point still stands.
A smarter approach would have been to let us expirience the war from Geralts eyes and his life as a Witcher. Aka. less switching to hundrets of side characters all the time, focus on Geralt mainly and his badass killing of monstees, and his struggles with life. This isnt Game of thrones where you have servsl factions who play for the throne, the witcher ips sucess rests on Geralt and how he reacts to the world. That is why with the witcher splitting the focus to so many characters was very bad. And why its now destroying the show.
I've been a fan of the books for many years. I already saw the signs in S1, and I saw this coming before S2. It's heartbreaking for me to see. All they had to do was to adapt the books properly with only changes for the medium, and it would have been a massive success.
I am a fan of the books too, but I did enjoy season 3. I think they have started going back to the source material. Yes, they are things that still annoy me about this season, but as I watched the show, I felt like reading the books. (Not 100% accurate, but MUCH better than season 2)
@@Voldotcomno the cgi, the bad writing in the episodes ( cough cough episode 5 ) and making people gay left and right cough cough ( eredin and jaskier ) while changing literally the whole story isn’t it bro. Like how are they going to adapt the part where geralt fucks fringillia because she reminds him of yennefer lmao
The got cahir so fucking wrong in season 1 by the time season 2 rolled around I was mostly watching out of morbid curiosity. And we know how EXCELLENT season 2 was...
@@tobbcittobbcit8899 that’s pretty much what I said, but if you’re going to make a new story in the Witcher universe you still need to be true to the universe as a whole. That’s not quite what Netflix did and that’s why they’re having issues. I like the show I haven’t watched all of the new season, but it is what it is.
@@tobbcittobbcit8899 This right here. It's gotten very obvious that a lot of these writers want to do their own thing. But they get put on these established IP's instead. Then tank them by trying to force their own vision, into already completed stories. All while being terrible at their jobs in general.
I don't mind deviations, if the movie writers manage to respect the heart/core philosophy of the book they try to adapt. For ex, Lord of the Rings is about the fight between good and evil, there are very little gray areas. There are right, and wrong in his universe. In the rings of Power, they just try to make everything gray, to an extent, that main character gets absolutely unlikeable, for ex, she was prepared to leave one of his men to di, because he couldn't keep up with thegroup.
I have the utmost trust in Henry and his collaboration with GW. Both are fiercely protective of what they believe should be kept intact and I can't wait to see what he'll bring into Warhammer
He won't be bringing anything, he's only a producer. Amazon will be making the key decisions, and after what they did with Rings of Power, I don't know why anyone would be excited for it.
@@mattandrews2594 I'm pretty sure Amazon gave him the reigns and complete control. They gambled too many times on shows where the writers, producers, and directors didnt stick to the source material and are taking financial hits. So, it seems this time, they are going in the opposite direction and seeing if a man who knows the source material, religiously, will be able to make something that brings them financial success. All large studios like Amazon need is 1 major victory to make it all worth it.
The Witcher wasn't even about him anymore. It was about women...and he just shows up when they need him too...but almost every show in the last season was dominated by side characters...its so pathetically obvious they are pushing an agenda its unwatchable.
They had the story and the dialogues from the books, and they had the visuals from the games. Their job was to pick and choose the best parts. Instead they decided to write their own stuff, and of course it turned out to be garbage.
Losing the lead actor is bad, especially when Cavill was so intrinsic to people's perspective of the medium. However, knowing that Cavill not only won over the fans despite a lot of initial suspicion about his fit for the role but also acted as a steward for the source material and was a big advocate for the fanbase in general, makes his departure a true death knell for the series.
In the books Emyhr was revealed to be Ciri's father in the last two chapters of the last book. In the Netflix series it was revealed in a typical American trope season 2 ending.
@@redneckrambo9626 So many people complain that the show isnt about Gerald killing monsters, when in the books that is like a side quest for him. Just a way to earn some gold, maybe some food and bed.
Biggest scam of the century is that these writers actually got payed to massacre the source material like this. I know dozens of talented writers that would've done this for almost free, just because the job is that fucking easy - just adapt the book to the screen, don't change the contexts.
@@berntmariustromsdal9215 exactly, its insane, if I did such a crappy job where I work, id fire myself instantly without even waiting for the company to do it. How the fuck do you live with the fact that you just got an insane amount of money yet did the worst possible job at it, id just give it back and apologize...
15:35 To Asmongold's point about LoTR, wasn't Sauron being a big eye something that was only really considered to be a metaphor in the books? If I recall I think Peter Jackson did it only because he couldn't see them doing the character's size and power justice if they tried to animate him as a humanoid, hence why we only saw him as such at the very beginning of fellowship (the shooting that they did happen to do).
One of the ONLY times I have seen the main actor change, but they had a VERY good reason (he literally died,) and the replacement really went into 'being' the dude he replaced. Like he didn't become the character, he became the actor that was playing the character- Spartacus.
Honestly the off screen resolution between Yen and Ciri was kind of the only thing they could have done to get some semblance of book accuracy back. Yen would have never, ever, not in a million years done anything to hurt Ciri. The Deathless Mother was never a thing. Yen never lost her magic. Season 2 was supposed to develop a mother-daughter relationship between them, and in order for the third season to make sense, they needed to speedrun it in the opening scene of the first episode. They just self-cucked themselves with season 2 and unless they were planning on deviating EVEN FURTHER in S3, there was absolutely no "good" way to resolve these issues without rebooting all of it.
Ciri in the books and the third game is a complete total badass that they could push to the forefront and have a "Strong" female lead. I'm sure a majority of the fanbase would have zero issues if they actually stuck to the source material and brought that version of Ciri to life. She was so brutal in the ice lake!
but what sells her badassery is that she F*ing earns it. she goes from a spoiled princess to a war fugitive, a bandit and even a hunted rat (you know what I'm talking about). and she survives it. she goes from prey to one of the most unstoppable forces in the continent, from vulnerable to a F*ing menace. that's why "strong female leads" tend to fail. being strong isn't having power, it is overcoming your weakness. utmost strength comes from overcoming utmost weakness. she had all the potential to become a true strong female lead, the actress is also amazing. it's a tragedy how much potential was wasted by the show
So was the real Yennefer, probably the strongest, anti stereotype female character ever but they made her a crying victim while saying she's not. Pathetic.
The wild Hunt are just powerful elves that escaped from the witcher dimension leaving the other weaker elves behind due to the conjunction of the spheres. They are hunting Ciri because she can cross dimensions at will rather than at certain times of the year due to her blood heritage.
After seeing season 3 / first 5 episodes it became obvious why Cavill quit. Such a shame what the production/writers dpt did to the story & characters. They literally ruined it and Henrys statements regarding his departure were VERY polite and diplomatic given that pile of crap the series turned into. It’s just insane that a company acquires such a strong license, finds such a great actor (and added bonus: huge fan of the books/genre who is passionate about it!) and just wrecks it intentionally. One must pity Hemsworth for taking over, he has already lost: a ruined series and he isnt Cavill - who became THE Witcher.
The issue with race/gender swapping is that it is deliberately making what is supposed to be a superficial aspect of a person the thing you focus most on. Like Gandalf being made Chinese, no one liked Gandalf because he's white, no one cared that he was white, but someone makes the decision that we should now see him as a Chinese person and he should represent Chinese people. Morgan Freeman was right when asked about how to stop racism "Stop talking about it!".
@miguelsimoes5883 Not really. As it is a Universe with a Mideval Europe setting. The opposite is true as well when a Coloured character turning white has cause massive public outcry. See the reactions behind Gods of Egypt.
@@hulahala4065 the outcry for Gods of Egypt did not come from the "race swap" of a black character to a white character, but from the century old tradition of erasing black bodies (and also native american and north and south asian) from original racially diverse settings for mainstream consumption. The movie epitomized that tradition, and became a symbol for it. The outcry for racialized faces in medieval settings and the outcry for the white faces in Gods of Egypt are not opposite events, they are both backlashes in favor or opposed to white supremacy in mainstream pop culture. That does not make nazis out of people just for being uncomfortable with a black elf, but white supremacy never needed nazis to be the status quo. Of course we can say "it's just a movie", and we absolutely should. But if we decide to focus on a character's race, it's not just a movie anymore.
@@drone6581 the funny thing is that Doctor Who fandom didn't even hate that she was a female doctor because the Doctor in the show stated before that he did switch genders before and timelords been can change genders, but because her WRITER (Chiball) FAILED her. That's the problem with her character compared to Tennant and Smith who had the best showrunners.
For me Yennefer and the writers kill witcher, the actress plays fine but is to far off the source material. Its more important to stay woke above all costs for the writers and it shows, not just in the witcher but in most media nowdays... What the f* is going on? Why?
They do it in order to boost their ESG and DEI score as per Blackrock / Vanguard decree. Thus, their parent companies will continue to receive investments from said firms, as well as other large companies who are part of this "club". Basically all the big companies and firms engage in this. Others are either excluded or included based on whether or not they follow the ESG and DEI guidelines. This is where all the woke shit stems from.
The best part is that, with the strike currently ongoing, it gives the studios an excuse to fire most of the writers involved with the trash shows like this.
I canceled my netflix because every consecutive episode of a show I was watching had some kind of lgbtqi+ character story line shoehorned in it. It felt so incredibly forced and after that it became super obvious that they were doing it with a ton of content on Netlfix so I canceled. I voted for the greens and social democrats in the last election in my country... I just want to watch good shows, not some token diversity parade...
They just needs to succumb to Henry Cavill, apologize profusely, beg him on hand and knee to come back and give him total creative control. And they'd have poles of money in return. But the pride and ignorance.of these executives and wokesters knows no bounds.
It’s crazy how a huge amount of people do this. I dont like ubisoft games, I don’t buy their games. I hate disney, I don’t watch their movies. A lot of people keep taking in the media they complain about.
@@rexplorer.officialtbf I think that doesn't necessarily apply to UA-camrs. They just watch shows and movies to review them, then the audience gets a sense of schadenfreude from ripping on a show or movie. Sometimes the reviews themselves receive greater viewing figures than the actual shows. It's a bit of a negative perpetual cycle, but I suppose it can get frustrating knowing the state of a lot of how a lot of IPs are being handled these days. Fans just want writers and showrunners to embody the spirit of the franchises they often purport to represent. As Asmon said, a lot of fans understand some deviation from the source material as long as its handled properly.
@@kidmoseyThey would be perfectly fine making like Hunger Games style shows for teens and young adult women It would be fine, vapid, pop nonsense that might even be capable of decent moments But it's like they're not confident in their own ideas (for obvious reasons now), so they have to attach themselves to established IPs like a tick to suck attention out of it But that just makes their schtick so much worse
One show sucks and you want to overthrow the entire industy? Childish. We are currently in the 2nd golden age of Television and people still cry. You can't spit about quility and drop bars like "when it comes to being prosperous I monsterous philosophers and scholars rolled up into a shot-caller".
@@CrashHWD there is plenty of talent in the industry, its handicapped by business decisions and the investors/marketers deciding what's going to be made or not.
He died the same way; being stabbed in the back by Wormtongue, it’s just the setting and circumstances that changed. And honestly, the whole mini war for the Shire would’ve never worked in that trilogy. Jackson made the right call
I imagine the witcher being like supernatural, were they have a overall narrative but in the meanwhile they have to make a living by killing monsters, and by they I mean gerald and ciri, or jaskier, or other witchers, with the occasional yennefer in some episodes.
See, that would've been nice. Take one famous storyline from the book/game, make it an overarching plot of the season, and then just add the monster killing actions while staying true to the source materials. I agree.
The problem for female Doctor who, in my opinion, wasnt just the gender. Yes doctor can be either female or male when regenerates so on that part its almost okay (even though people were used to see male doctor over these many years). But one of the problems I did see was the actor itself. She just didnt give me the doctor vibes and her acting wasnt that great. Biggest problem however was the marketing when they decided to have female doctor. That for me was a downfall of doctor who and it pushed me as a female viewer away. They marketed the new doctor as a game breaker and told how this was shattering glass ceilings. That marketing was just so condescending that I decided to skip this new doctor completely. I have watched all the "modern" doctor whos until Jodie but that marketing was just so bad and the first impressions of the new doctor who was bad so havent even touched the current doctor who timeline. Maybe someday the series will turn itself around again but until then.
I feel so bad for Henry Cavill. This was one of his dream roles to play Geralt. He loves the characters, he loves the stories, he read the books and researched his role. He is a giant fan of the games. Only to pretty much get kicked in the balls by the producers and executives with their heads so far up their own asses
There is a ton of politics between the mages and nations in the Witcher but it isn't told in the way the show tells it, the information is often learned because Geralt is involved or Geralt learns about it, whereas the show is treating the mage stuff as the forefront even when geralt isn't involved
Though I have not read the Witcher books (I have too) the way you described them feels like how they adapted the hobbit in the movies, The story in the books is basically only about Bilbo and everything is told though his perspective but in the movies they tried to make everything bigger by showing these events that Bilbo would have no knowledge off or was not present for be shown to us.
Nah, this shit is book accurate actually. I remember reading Witcher when I was 13 and I was scrolling TENS of pages of pure politics chapters, no Geralt, no adventures, just raw politics.
I checked out in the middle of the second season, it went into a direction I didn't enjoy at all and the Twitter drama with the writers, Henry leaving the show and the dumpster fire that was Blood Origin made me quit Netflix entirely. This show had the potential to be an all time classic, Henry's passion for the source material, the support of the fans and hype around it and the writers just couldn't resist their ego, turning it into their own shitshow, making fun of Henry for liking the source material. It's just sad.
At least Henry got a new role as producer, actor and writer of a Warhammer show by Games Workshop. Warhammer being something he arguably has more passion for than The Witcher.
The Witcher books hold a special place in my heart as my all-time favorite fantasy series. I harbor a hope that, at some point in the future, they will receive a truly faithful adaptation, whether that be a television series or a movie trilogy. I'm open to all possibilities. For those who haven't delved into the books yet, PLEASE don't let the series deter you. While the characters share the same names in both mediums, that's where the similarities end. The books offer a uniquely rich and immersive experience that shouldn't be missed.
the sad thing is that asmon even says (13:18) that no one gives a F about the side characters, and that they just care about geralt. I mean, I never forgot about cahir, milva, regis, and even jaskier's friend that only appears for a single story on sword of destiny: essi. there are so many striking characters, and the book is all about everyone else so many times that ocasionally you even forget about the main plot and geralt entirely. this just shows how ATROCIOUSLY BAD the series did as an adaptation. it made people hate one of the strongest points about this story. and what makes me even angrier is that they wasted so much talent with such a spectacular cast. they deserved so much better, not only cavill, but many more, specially (I'll mention the characters as I don't know all the actor's names) jaskier, yen, ciri, fringilla, istredd, tissaia, cahir, and many others. yes, most of these characters were butchered by the plot, but the actors did a stellar job nonetheless. I hope the best for all of them
Ya, Nerdrotic's Hollywood takes tend to be dead on. Cavill loves the source material more than the writers, and like Tom Cruise he cares deeply about the success of what he's in. If he left or was asked to leave the Witcher series, it's because he knew he couldn't make it a success.
Actually, there are quite a lot of politics and dealing with power players in the books too. An important thing about Geralt is that even though he hates politics, he keeps getting dragged in various socialite events and offers he can't refuse because he's gotten too famous and connected at that point, and he knows way more about politics than he's comfortable with because of that.
Times of Contempt was by far the most political book. The best part was the finale (in the book). They needed fans to be invested to follow this plot, and make the sorceresses mega hot like they were in the books. Ball dropped into the abyss.
Which is fine... if you only keep the politics that was explicitly in the source material to begin with. Adding new, additional, real world political "problems" of today is the pathetic s**t no one wants.
@@redneckrambo9626 Yes, I agree, they should have just stayed close to the source material. I was merely responding to Asmongold not knowing about politics in The Witcher.
What i would have liked to see (and i didnt watch the show) was geralt just doing a different witcher contract every episode, have a side char like ciri, yen etc show up sometimes and progress the overall plot that way while they hunt a monster and then the final would maybe be only big plot stuff but geralt would mainly be shown and any other plot stuff would come from towns/cities or chars that geralt talks to, alot more like the witcher 3 game
they should have gone with a half serialized show. Have episode 1 and 2 be the start of the season, then have them walk into random trouble on the road, mid season finally, then trouble on the road again and then the 2 episode finally. ITs so free, just look back on how shows used to be written due to this beeing sucjh a great fit for this show. Then maybe even cash in a bit on nostalgia from this kind of format that was popular like 15 to 10 years back. They could have even stolen sidequest and random encounters from the game. Its a god damn dnd campain ffs just roll with it.
I think the best comparison is like early (s1-s5) supernatural. Monster of the week with an overall plot that is slowly revealed through what happens in each episode. Actually more I think on it, (early) supernatural is a very good comparison, their monster hunters that people don't understand and/or like, just run with that.
If they did it like that, it would probably have ended up like Mandalorian where it is just 90% busy work that means nothing and 10% story, I do agree that geralt is not fighting monsters enough though
@@mistywww3199 they should have let themselves be inspired by contract work more. So not just a monster fight, but gathering clues, having some obstacles, hhaving some plottwist or showing Gerald lube up his sword. The authors just hate the base material and hate the game even more due to beeing not the original sorce but the games would have made for a good basis with them already beeing the better more broughtly liked version of the story.
Good for you man, im not looking forward to anything for the last 10 years, its more than obvious that 90% of the budget goes to CGI and marketing while the writers are getting peanuts, which results in hiring some literal college grads that are trying to make a name for themselves, took me a while to realize this and everything that comes out just confirms this "theory" of mine, writing is so bad, effects and marketing is through the roof to the point where i read about it on my cereal box, but when you watch it dialogues are literally sitcom quality without the funny part... It made me very cynical towards new projects.
Deviating is an absolutely horrid idea when it's an immensely beloved series. First you must earn the trust of the fans before you even think about attempting to deviate 5% from the material
They could have spent two seasons on the first two books. They’re all random side stories but they create so much world building and character building. The short stories they’d did adapt felt so rushed, but at least they TRIED to adapt them so fans were forgiving. The other seasons didn’t even try to adapt the books. They just used the books as a starting point and ran in another direction
the games deviated from the books. People still loved it, because those deviations still held true to the core aspects of the fantasy. Biggest deviations? Geralt lives!
Deviating isn't horrible, You can improve on these stories. The issue was they aren't looking to improve the witcher, they wanted to turn it into something it isnt.
on one hand I feel bad for Henry because he loves The Withcer and this was a dream role. But on the other hand I am ecstatic that he is producing a Warhammer 40k series.
Just want to point out that Yennifer has about 4 perspective chapters in the entire witcher series, 8 books. She a very important character yes but its not her story it Geralt and Ciri's story.
For the Female Doctor the problem wasn't that they turned a male character female (they had already shown that The Doctors race was capable of this in an Ep with a previous Doctor) the problem was: 1. it was just a bunch of PC Stories that didn't need the Doctor at all, and nothing the Doctor did or said had any actual impact 2. too many "companions" at the same time (3) so no one got any actual development 3. no coherent overarching story (because the writers didn't coordinate with each other) A Female Doctor *Could* have been great, but the writers sucked A**
I dont think you're necessarily wrong about the writing being bad. But the wiritng for Doctor who was always bad, it's the actor for the doctor that carries 90% of the show. Hence why so many people fell off after David left. I dont think a female doctor can be succesful because the show is synonymous with "witty british guy saves the day" The doctor writing wise, is already a Mary Sue but it becomes alot more noticable and seems pandering when you genderswap the doctor into an ACTUAL Mary Sue. It comes off the same way as Rei in star wars. It doesnt matter if the character is good as it is overshadowed by the political connotations of their existence. People dont like to see fiction that is directly influenced by irl politics and thats why so many of these characters feel forced. The Whole doctor's identity is that he's a male mary sue.
they also had no idea what the doctor was actually about. The problem wasn't the gender swap but the butchering of ideals and hollowing out of her character. Also the retcons.
20:00 - that should have been the first season for sure. Geralt as core of each episode with other characters introduced one by one in each episode as side characters. And from there move to stories involving other factions in subsequent seasons. That’s how the books were structured: the first two books were collections of short stories and then five novels which talk more about world around Geralt and his relationships with Yennefer and Ciri.
oh, but having a show focused on Geralt is not woke enough, they needed to make Yenn a co-protagonist, even if that meant a convoluted timeline and destroying her character arch
It's very hard to have the camera follow Geralt all the time because there is only one Henry Cavill. Scenes with other characters can be filmed in parallel, so you end up with more material each season. Unfortunately, all the extra material is trash because Witcher Encyclopedia Henry Cavill isn't there to check the script. Like when they introduced a magic system where it takes great sacrifice to move a pebble... only to ignore that completely. Or when they made the sorceresses draw their power from electric eels that are actually orphan girls, which makes all the sorceresses evil witches.
@@tonyng9you should give the books a go. Really, even if you're not a avid reader. Just read the 1-7. Try it, I'm quite curious how you'd see the show after
@@SmokersTars right, feels strange seeing people get mad about the series more or less following the story of the books. I guess everyone just played the games
Asmon is right because there's some deviation that CDPR did to the lore too. In the books, i don't think it is ever mentioned that the Wild Hunt are elves, witchers don't carry two swords on their backs, etc. Gaunter O Dimm, one of the biggest lore deviation/addition to the story, a sort of master of fate. But everyone loves the changes that CDPR made because those changes were pretty much at the essence of the Witcher. CDPR were clearly Witcher fans and proud of their culture, and it showed even though they made deviations. Netflix has none of that. They don't know what the Witcher is. They have no idea of what it means to be called "The Witcher". Their changes don't fulfill the essence of the Witcher.
Eredin is explicitly revealed to be king of the aristocratic Aen Elle (the lucky elves, story-wise), kind of the "dark elves" of the trope if you would. So, he's very much elven. Not to be mixed with the Aen Seidhe (elves like the Squirrels), who got shafted after the conjunction of spheres and ended up with humans.
Well since noone has the balls to say it I will. The show was always bad. I don't get why people blame netflix or believe that Henry's Cavil exit tanked the rating. The show's ratings would still tank even if Cavil stayed because the show is terrible. GOT season 8 is better than this I kid you not. The failed to make a faithfull adaption and the show is simply falling apart. Cavil was the only one that really tried but you can't outrun bad writing.
The sad thing is to know that the witcher's books talk about so many aspects such as racism, sexism, sexuality, even in one of the books it implies that ciri is bisexual, the writings if had really read the books they would know how rich they are and they wouldn't need to keep creating things that don't exist just for the agenda and get shitty. But I think they are too arrogant for that
Looking back, you can honestly tell they had bad intentions from the very beginning, with certain casting choices. They needed henry so they could get away with other shit otherwise we would have had Wesley Snipes playing geralt or some shit, if they were allowed to just do what they want. They really butchered our babes. RIP: Yen, Triss and Keira worst of all. Atleast they chose somebody attractive and competent to play Phillipa. Fringilla just looks like a product of fetal alcohol syndrome. We're literally shown that they go through a process to become this beautiful peak versions of themselves in service of their careers and Keira still looks like a pig, was she literally a farm animal before that? Jesus christ. Other problems with their specific castings and the intent behind it aside. RIP The Witcher. They were given a layup and decided to punch a baby.
Season 1 will always be remembered. But man why are these Writers keep getting these projects that they either hate or belittle which just produces garbage
They pitch the show to Netflix with some girl power and netflix just stamps the approval stamp on it with no thought behind it. They don't have to because they rely on subscriptions and not views,
Theu didn't re-do Willow. They continued the story with a TV show. It wasnt terrible. I thought it was good. Not amazing, and certainly not perfect, but it was good.
I will say I really do wish the Witcher game fans ragging on the show realize they're ragging on it for the wrong reasons. For example, the books actually aren't just about Geralt. They are at first, especially with the short stories. These first books really set up the Witcher and Geralt and the world then the actually story really begins in the 3rd book. Ciri eventually does take a primary role in the books towards the end and is probably more important than Geralt. Yennefer on the other hand shouldn't have this much screen time especially early on. She is more of an important side character than a main one. The books aren't about her they're about Geralt and Ciris bond. Ciri does become a badass as she's literally trained by our favourite badass Geralt. its a shame they really messed up their development together by not following the source material. Also Asmon was off the mark a little, the intrigue and ball scenes in the books are some of the most interesting parts especially later on they're just handled terribly in the show. As a Book and Game fan I truly think the show is lacking the most with its immersion and world building. Everything looks cheap and generic fantasy when the Witcher has such a strong identity with its polish influence. Nothing in the show captures that which halves its score for me. Such wasted potential man..
@@xcenex479 Totally. I really don't think they can pull it back for me. Im a massive witcher fan with an open mind so the fact they lost me is a true failure.
@@hal3908 Same here! I understand some changes may be necessary, since not everything can work in live action and that’s okay. But those changes can’t be trash, that’s the thing😅 I also gave up on the show after season 2.
As for Doctor who I think most Doctor Who fans would agree Jodi as the Doctor was fine. She's brilliant the problem was the Stories where complete hot Garbage. 😢
I dont who thought the casting of triss was good. Triss and Geralt arguably are more connected at least in the game than Geralt and Yennefer, but in the series Triss and Geralt are practically not doing shit together. And Triss actor is 20 years too old. Or at least looks like it.
@@Stefantius Haha, amazing have definitely the same order...I just started to watch DS9 again since the first time since my teenage days. Forgot how amazing the intro theme was.
Because they replace men with women without making them great characters, just put them because. We have to much female characters that didn't serve its purpose - being good.
And once again people would be upset that there is not enough killing of monsters and too much politics. Because that is what the books are. A lot of politics and not that much monster killing
I lost my shit when he said Eredin was gay. Holy fuck I haven't laughed so hard in a while. What degenerates are allowed to write such falsehoods? Same with dandelion and radovid like what??
yup, only some characters were well casted, the story was all over the place because they tried to speedrun different events from the books without explaining context etc. Henry carried it
In the case of Dr. Who, I would have been able to give a female Doctor a chance. I was excited for a female doctor. And then they wrote a season completely destroying what the doctor stood for, what the doctor had done in the past, they tried to "change" the doctor without understanding him or the deeper concepts behind the character. They could have given us a show with "Missy" a female doctor and the fans would have loved it. But they decided to butcher the history of the show. And the fans successfully made them pay the price in ratings.
I wonder if the reason writing has gone so bad these days is because writers are less and less inspired by real life experience, by classic movies, by great novels, but rather inspired by other fictional work such as movies and tv show. it creates a loop of where hyper reality becomes the new reality for them. and so we are entering an era of hyper-hyper reality
The Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, and a lot of other series weren't a 1:1 because they were based off of books. Movies like The Shinning, Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory, Watchmen, and The Boys (tv series) all diverted from their source material. The point is, they were close to the source material or kept the same spirit as the source material. The Netflix Witcher was just pure fanfiction. Imagine a Netflix Dragon Ball Z tv series where Goku, Vegeta, and Krillin are ignored, and Bulma and Chi Chi are treated like the main characters. You're just souring the built in audiences expectations.
LOL, I thought I'd pressed the wrong button on The Witcher because the scenes kept repeating. Now I know I wasn't crazy. I just didn't pay attention as I kept pausing the episode to do something. The wild hunt were feared as ghosts, spectres who appear from nowhere and kill everything in their path. But when they did the reveal I was disappointed cos he was just an Elf. But before that, the game made them something more scary than they were and that was the beauty of the game.
Witcher COULD have been a game of thrones. The books have a HUGE intrigue, backstabbing and political tension, mixed in with big monsters being killed in fun fights. They however went with...boobs good...look stuff is happening...and...and there are things over there look look! Yes Season 3 was insanely bad. The part of the book they take it from tells you WHY things are happening, and why it matters. In Season 3, it was just events happening because stuff.
It’s criminal what they’re doing to the Witcher verse. Got into Witcher 3 pretty late, 1st time playing it was right after the next gen update launch but got so into the game & lore I power read through the books right after. Other fantasy franchises like LoTR or GoT got their chance to shine before being eventually ruined by Hollywood, Witcher could’ve had that if they maintained continuity with their S1 production staff & most importantly Henry Cavill. Well… that’s my vent 😂
Honestly i am amazed how someone can kill a good source material. Some may say they could not do it. B-sht. We had a good Witcher (called Hexer) TV series back in 2002 and despite the fact that the budget was way less than what you can get from Netflix it was actually very close to the source. CGI was not the best but back in the day with that buget its still good enough. So Lauren stating she wanted to stay close to the source material and delivering this is just a solid proof she is not capable od doing her job. As far as Netflix Witcher show - it would probably be even worse if not for Henry Cavil who knows the books, games, and was stubborn enough to try to keep at leat some of the plot in check. But thats "new film/tv series making" for you. And then when all goes to hell - blame the fans! Thats just sad
There indeed was a lot of politics and mage / king / spies plots and entire chapters of books not focusing on Geralt. Thing is those parts while good in books, where you have 300-400 pages per volume, they are not good enough for the series to occupy 1 or more of episodes.
It can be done like what game of thrones did for the earlier seasons. The world building was so great, and every politics stuff didn't feel like a chore at all i actually enjoyed learning about their schemes and motivations.
It’s amazing that in all of this, and all these horrible adaptations, The Last of Us show someone came out and delivered what fans of the game wanted, and the changes they made were actually good
Anyone who read the books, can agree that women in "witcher" was strong and cool in natural way, without any agenda pushing bullshit. And even in first season ciri was kinda weak i didint understand why they made her like that. Witcher books has absolutely fantastic base material. Some fucking assholes goes in and fucking ruins it. Its so disappointing that people who don't care about their job now get the job. And that diversity bullshit is ruining everything
The worst part is, even being proven wrong by the fan reception, they refuse to take ownership of the abysmal failure and blame Henry AND the fans! This is pure insanity.
Its the idiot thing, disney, netflix, amazon, they are just making sht and then making excuses about it, but the question is, for how long can they keep losing for someone to finally understand that they are not the ones who choose what we like
Fuck ‘em. I hope they keep losing money. All this woke shit has gotta die and we can get back to making entertaining stories for everyone with strong men and beautiful women.
@@filipbitala2624 never underestimate the number of people who eat everything that is served to them and go "well, wasn't that bad"
Who cares man, we all know the truth. They can't hide behind their fingers.
i hope the strike breaks them
Henry Cavill has no need to be redeemed. He´s a great actor and a great guy. Without him, there is no Witcher show and no Superman period.
At first I felt bad that they replaced him as superman, considering he has the iconic look. However, looking at the state of the DCEU, he dodged a bullet.
I'll agree with the Witcher comment but Superman?.... Nah
Superman's mantle is significantly easier to pick up and pass along than Geralt.
He's been in flops his whole career. He plays the same character in everything he is in. I doubt we will see anything different for the rest of his career going forward.
@@SmickyDVery few actors don't get typecast into a specific role. That's not his fault, he is a talented actor.
It's the management running the show and writers that ruined The Witcher. Not Henry Cavill. Cavill has nothing to apologize for.
I feel really bad for Henry. Huge fan, was super excited, they forced him to take part in destroying something he loved
DC did the same to him, Henry is such a genuine actor who actually cares about his roles. Its so sad he's getting the Leto treatment. Henry and Leto deserve better.
@@datboiashy2957 Leto got his treatment because he did one good job acting in Dallas Buyers Club, and now everyone thinks he can act. When in reality he can't act himself out of a wet paper bag.
I feel sorry for him too, until I remember that he's universally loved around the world, has a body that could turn me gay, is a true and genuine good guy and a millionaire.
That's how the machine breaks you, good on him for leaving before the end.
You can't destroy that was destroyed from the begging. From first season the one good thing in this show was soundtrack. That's all. Witcher books are still awesome. Witcher games are still awesome. We don't need something much more worse than them.
Henry will excel in a WARHAMMER role and if that actually happens, Henry will prove to the writers that following the source material makes a world of difference not only for the shows outcome, but how the fans react.
Someone need to make a warhammer franchise for him.. it would be epic
@@flyby642he is co producing one
@@flyby642 Well, good news man. Henry is producing a Warhammer 40k series himself.
@@kevinc8955 I would love an animated adaption rather than a live action one. I really liked Hammer and Bolter that gw did so a style like that but with a gigantic bigger budget would be cool.
@@kevinc8955 keep dreaming. They're not doing no crap animation for it
Henry has my total respect for choosing his integrity and love of the source material over a paycheck, and being strong enough to defend what he believes in and walk away from something he wanted for so long.
I feel bad for Liam coming onto this dead show. Cuz while I don’t know him or his work well, he’s probably a decent guy and good actor. But by comparison to Henry who left due to his standards and respect of the source material, Liam will look like a lil B with no integrity just doing whatever he’s told to get a job.
Well he knew he can start project or different acting career after instead of staying with sinking ship. It's not like he was struggling actor had to make a hard choice.
BEHOLD, THE AWAKENING OF THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND, THE WARHAMMER 40K FANS ARE WAITING. (Im Chilean, by the way, that say a lot about what are expecting the fans here.
And if you are wandering why wh 40k are a thing right now in spanish speaking, a puppy in a red cup made it possible, literally. It's called 3Huntle0.)
in the source material ciri is very much a main character tho and there is a lot of chapters of her pov
tbf, he prob knew he would only damage his image by being in this garbage show any longer
The thing about the Witcher is that the original books do actually reach a point where the monster slaying becomes less important, and we start to focus more on politics, ancient prophecies, and the war with Nilfgaard. Ciri also does start to take more of the spotlight toward the end of the saga. It's never to the extent of Witcher Netflix mind you, but she does reach a point where her role in the story is as important as Geralt's. The key difference though...is that the books were actually well written, and made the shift in focus work. People would come for the monster slaying, and then be surprised by how interesting everything else was too. That doesn't happen with this show, because the writing is awful. So, when the monster hunting starts to become less significant, the show has nothing else to maintain the interest of the audience. Had they actually followed the books, and told the story properly, the way the original author did, then they wouldn't have this problem. Unfortunately, they screwed it up, and are now paying the price.
The thing that upsets me the most is the writers trying to drag Henry's name and reputation through the mud just because he disagrees with them. Seriously, screw them!
Ya its alright they sabotaged their careers
she wont get any jobs after this. Henry did good by leaving.
I'm unfortunately unsurprised, this is how most of the modern generation behaves. Disagree with them = get your name dragged through the mud and canceled on Twitter, it's just how these supposedly progressive and accepting people operate.
especially when the main woman is so HORRIBLE at her job.. all flops and no understanding of feedback
@@MLitey Nah these people will still continue to be hired and be able to work. They'll destroy everything they touch and be celebrated for it.
I'll never understand why they keep these horrible writers and producers. Fire them already!
Activists posing as writers. That's why they're striking, because they know AI will make infinitely better movies than they can.
Because of union contracts
They're job is already half done too. A lot of the creativity work and baseline story is there. THEY JUST NEED TO CONNECT THE DOTS. If they can't do it, let an AI do it.
@@vulkeg Admittedly it is funny to know that but AI is pretty bad rn and won't be replacing actual writers anytime soon.
@@leekyonion I've seen the writing that AI can produce right now. It's at least on par with modern writers.
13:30 Absolutely 100% on point! The writers' ego gets in the way. They need to make everything 'their own' and give it their personal scent-mark. But in reality all they're really doing is pissing on it.
Gotta push the woke agenda.. that's all Hollywood exists for atm.
People need to learn that when you adapt a character driven story, you need to preserve that character's traits, not swap them. You also need to respect the rules that the world has established. You'll then find that audiences are willing to accept a lot more in terms of deviation - so long as the pillars are respected and preserved.
@@kevinc8955 But it basically always goes wrong when you move from the source material. Any writer than forces character traits to change from source material, 90% of the time are only doing it because they wanted to write their own story, but aren't good enough writers to make their own so have to jump off the back of another's success. Therefore, they mess it up almost every time
@@kevinc8955 dogshit opinion
AMericans need to learn how to adapt storys.
@@kevinc8955 I have seen way too often, when writers deviate from source material worlds fundamental rules, they forget what they did few episodes ago and we get plot holes.
It's almost as if the characters and their interactions are what made the source material so engaging and alluring.
The games knew that and despite being outside of the books' timeline/events, they constantly call back to well known scenes, stay true to the characters and their intentions, and new characters outside of the book act well within the world rules and lore created within them. The show on the other hand set out to appropriate the source material and only use the name to sucker fans in. It's sad really. They were handed a massive diamond and turned it into turd.
The key to a good adaptation, as far as I can tell, is staying true to the characters. Fans will forgive, or even like, a lot of deviations as long as they see the characters they've come to like be portrayed as accurately as possible. If they're doing a good job with that (which usually means no attribute-swapping), the rest will more likely fit than not.
you can make changes but you better think really carefully about what that change actually adds to the story.
That was the mentality during the filming of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. They knew they had to make changes for film but wanted to stay true to the characters and Tolkiens' vision.
@@chickenbob562And Jaskiers relationship with a prince that by lore murdered homosexuals and mutants.
Cool.
Maybe because growing up I was watching reruns of Buffy and Xena (and secretly falling in love with Ares), I know that a girl main character in a series can be done and done right. However, the main character needs character development, by taking a peripheral character and trying to make it a main, it not only destroys the original storyline and disappoints the hardcore fans, it creates a wimpy underdeveloped main character that can't attract new fans.
It wouldn't have hurt if they'd just made a "5 to 15 years later" spinoff with a main story of a girl trying to follow in her father's footsteps, or taken another entirely unfamiliar character into the same universe, let's call it Buffy the demon slayer 😂 and they could have been as creative as they'd like
Yep, pretty much. If anything fans tend to appreciate any deviation in an adaptation as long as the characters react to the new things appropriately.
When he asks the questions “why couldn’t just be about the Witcher, who gives a shit about the side characters?” I think it’s because the side charters can be self inserts from writers. They can’t identify with the Witcher because they probably only see the Witcher as a muscle bound hero jock, ect. So their egos get wrapped up in the side characters they can self insert as meaning the show has to feature those side characters all the more…
Yeah, Hissrich has gone on record talking about how much of herself she sees in Yennefer and that’s why she made sure there was waaaay more Yennefer in the show when it doesn’t work. It’s crap.
the situations geralt gets himself into the witching the politics the wars are far more interesting than the love interests shows and movies put too much emphasis on people falling in love
I've never understood why any writing team is like like, "We can do better than this widely successful author." Especially when the showwriters have proven before that they cannot handle the task.
Ego thing, obviously.
It's their obsessive need to self insert and push "the message." They have to hijack popular IP because if they tried to create original content with their self inserts and activism, no one would watch.
Because they want the popularity the name and genre have garnered while shuffling around the names and faces of characters, making their own story they were too incompetent or insecure to make on their own without a well known previously beloved story.....
I think at times it's just a matter of personal tastes differing from the original creator and wanting to make improvements on something, but most of the time I agree with smiley in the replies here. And in the interest of fairness to some writers on legacy IPs, they have to play ball with showbiz and showbiz just wants to shit out the safest bets possible. Many many original works are not allowed to enter production in hollywood and the like because they aren't from a proven IP.
The men behind some of the greatest Disney movies ever made kept reworking old fairytales and such in hopes to finally get a shot at their dream project only for disney to do absolutely no advertising for it at all and then throw them under the bus, after ages of stringing them along with "Okay, after this one you get your dream project."
The ego of moronic writers should be called out and brutally shamed, and I also think its worthwhile to remember the hostility all creatives are treated with and lack of choices given to them by the business side of show business.
I think there's also "Dunning Krugger" effect involved. They somehow think they're better and smarter because they lack experiences and skill to write, too arrogant to see their shortcomings.
If writers want their take maybe they should write their own book and hope it gets a series.
That requires talent.
I'm thinking of writing something to be honest. Whatever I do write, it would 100% be vastly superior to the dog sh*t these people come up with and they are writing from an already established franchise. I could imagine something on the spot better than all of these fools.
good comment
Or just steal someone else's work like the writer of the Witcher books did.
@@scottneil1187 who did he rip off?
I was so pumped for a witcher series. And slowly yet surely I was let down. Such a FANTASTIC series to be put into film and yet, they had to girl boss it up and stray so far off. It's a mutated man who slays monsters. It's not hard to mess up, yet they did.
and the funny thing is that they could've kept the girlbossing if they wanted to but that should've never been the MAIN focus while the mc is just sitting around doing barely anything....
Watched old Polish Witcher tv series. Effects are soooooo bad. Low budget 70s-80s horror bad. Dragon that looks like a muppet bad. An you need subtitles. But it was still a better version.
Hopefully one day soon, Henry Cavill will transition from acting to directing/show running and then maybe we can actually get some good fantasy shows/movie adaptations.
😮 That would be incredible!
Why not both at the same time?
Except that only creeps get into those top spots. Personally, I hope he starts a new and better entertainment industry.
Would be amazing if he started his own and was able to separate from the woke Hollywood bs.
He could cameo his own movies like Quentin Tarantino does in his. Would be amazing imo.
All the writers had to do was follow the books and the show was a guaranteed hit
Is there any (very) expensive fantasy show not destroyed by the writers?
the problem is that they don't know how to read, only write like a monkey in front of a keyboard :(
the book "main story" is pretty weak, it's at it's best in the short stories
@@ronin1648 Lord of the Rings?
@@Shimimaro89 Are you kidding me? Rings of Power is a shitfest. And a prime example of writers shitting on the source material.
That show was so lucky to have Cavill because he's not only an actor but also a fan of the Witcher who knows his stuff. I remember the first interviews with him where he was so happy and looking forward to being Geralt. He was so invested, it was heartbreaking to see that vanish over time. I mean - they literally made fun of him for knowing and loving the source material - and then proceeded to drive the show into the ground.
It reminded me a lot of Sir Christopher Lee in Lord of the Rings (who knew Tolkien personally ffs) and how shitty Peter Jackson treated him. (He literally cut Sarumans death scene out of ROTK and never told Lee, the man had to find out while watching the premiere, fu Jackson)
Can we petition to have Cavill just paint warhammer models on youtube and talk about them bc I would watch that for hours
I have read the books and the dynamic of Ciri being Elder Blood and everybody being after her is the driving force of the series, but Geralt going after her and having to complete contracts and kill monsters to survive and find her is the meat of the story.
We must have read different books than, because huge parts of the books were also only about ciri and yennefer and little about geralt.
@@Napfkuchenlmao you must have read the Netflix script
@@samuelho4771 Start reading the books, its true. I actually reread them not long ago. I dont say that they didnt add stuff in or left stuff out. But the point about "witcher is about geralt" is just wrong. So many parts in the books are only about ciri and geralt has more like a side role.
@@NapfkuchenCiri gets slightly more page time than Geralt only in the Tower of the Swallow. In The Last Wish and Season of Storms she's not present at all and has very small parts in Sword of Destiny and Baptism of Fire. In the rest of the books they have equal parts. Geralt is the main protagonist.
Its easy to forget that Geralts the main character because so much of what happens revolves around Ciri.
Without Geralt there is no story, without Ciri there is no main Plot.
But the writers were vegan. So it didn’t happen.
I can’t wait to support Henry with his future endeavors
He could just paint warhammer models and talk about them and I'd watch for hours
@@ellesindt6818 tbh same lol
Loved season 1. Made it two episodes into season 2. Ended up playing Witcher 3 again instead of finishing it.
Witcher 3 be getting me. Had to actively STOP myself from playing it again.
I didn't even watch episode 1 of season 1, when I heard the showrunners basically say they were going to rewrite everything to tailor it for a modern American audience? I knew it was going to be a complete dumpster fire. It was. It is nothing like the books or nothing like the games. No interest in tarnishing my perception of the lore and I feel bad that Cavill had to subject himself to three seasons of this nonsense.
Season 1 was already shit, ive made it until the golden dragon episode and i still think to have wasted too much time on it.
Loved season 1? How? That opening fight was fine. What else did you like?
It was the eskel thing wasn't it. I stopped there as well
As someone who read the books majority of the time we follow the point of view of Gerlt and his view and he’s actually quite the talkative guy despite his Lonewolf status, there are times where the POV changes between ciri and triss but not as much as the show
Thanks for the insight, struggler
There's no single PoV from Triss in entire saga. Well, meaby half of first chapter in Blood of the Elves wen she was on her track to Ker Moren and meets Ciri for first time but that's it.
@@piotrkarp9562 you don't remember when Triss was searching for Yennefer? If I remember correctly she was incognito in some tavern listening to this woman from skellige talk about yennefer ending up in the ocean. Again I might be remembering wrong but I'm pretty sure that was all from the point of view of Triss.
@@randomfactsthatdontmatter3466 You know, you might be right! But even then, yeah, we have only two chapters for 5 books. I mean... point still stands.
A smarter approach would have been to let us expirience the war from Geralts eyes and his life as a Witcher.
Aka. less switching to hundrets of side characters all the time, focus on Geralt mainly and his badass killing of monstees, and his struggles with life.
This isnt Game of thrones where you have servsl factions who play for the throne, the witcher ips sucess rests on Geralt and how he reacts to the world. That is why with the witcher splitting the focus to so many characters was very bad. And why its now destroying the show.
I've been a fan of the books for many years. I already saw the signs in S1, and I saw this coming before S2. It's heartbreaking for me to see. All they had to do was to adapt the books properly with only changes for the medium, and it would have been a massive success.
Yeah it would have been simple. But the writers hated the source material so they had to change it
I am a fan of the books too, but I did enjoy season 3. I think they have started going back to the source material. Yes, they are things that still annoy me about this season, but as I watched the show, I felt like reading the books. (Not 100% accurate, but MUCH better than season 2)
@@Voldotcomno the cgi, the bad writing in the episodes ( cough cough episode 5 ) and making people gay left and right cough cough ( eredin and jaskier ) while changing literally the whole story isn’t it bro. Like how are they going to adapt the part where geralt fucks fringillia because she reminds him of yennefer lmao
The got cahir so fucking wrong in season 1 by the time season 2 rolled around I was mostly watching out of morbid curiosity. And we know how EXCELLENT season 2 was...
I saw the signs in casting.
I feel so sorry for Henry... Great guy, he deserved better.
I agree, you can absolutely create a new story however you still have to remain true to the source material as a base
100%
Or you know.... Just make a new story and don't advertise it as being something else
@@tobbcittobbcit8899 that’s pretty much what I said, but if you’re going to make a new story in the Witcher universe you still need to be true to the universe as a whole. That’s not quite what Netflix did and that’s why they’re having issues. I like the show I haven’t watched all of the new season, but it is what it is.
@@tobbcittobbcit8899 This right here. It's gotten very obvious that a lot of these writers want to do their own thing. But they get put on these established IP's instead. Then tank them by trying to force their own vision, into already completed stories. All while being terrible at their jobs in general.
I don't mind deviations, if the movie writers manage to respect the heart/core philosophy of the book they try to adapt. For ex, Lord of the Rings is about the fight between good and evil, there are very little gray areas. There are right, and wrong in his universe.
In the rings of Power, they just try to make everything gray, to an extent, that main character gets absolutely unlikeable, for ex, she was prepared to leave one of his men to di, because he couldn't keep up with thegroup.
I have the utmost trust in Henry and his collaboration with GW. Both are fiercely protective of what they believe should be kept intact and I can't wait to see what he'll bring into Warhammer
He won't be bringing anything, he's only a producer. Amazon will be making the key decisions, and after what they did with Rings of Power, I don't know why anyone would be excited for it.
@@mattandrews2594 I'm pretty sure Amazon gave him the reigns and complete control. They gambled too many times on shows where the writers, producers, and directors didnt stick to the source material and are taking financial hits. So, it seems this time, they are going in the opposite direction and seeing if a man who knows the source material, religiously, will be able to make something that brings them financial success. All large studios like Amazon need is 1 major victory to make it all worth it.
@@codenamedingo6271 "pretty sure" eh? I'd love to see some evidence they said that.
@codenamedingo6271 this is probably the biggest cope I've seen in a while lol, they said the exact same when the Witcher was in production.
@@mattandrews2594 Cavill would have never accepted if it was so. He has the power, that's literally the MAIN reason he's doing this.
The Witcher wasn't even about him anymore. It was about women...and he just shows up when they need him too...but almost every show in the last season was dominated by side characters...its so pathetically obvious they are pushing an agenda its unwatchable.
They had the story and the dialogues from the books, and they had the visuals from the games. Their job was to pick and choose the best parts. Instead they decided to write their own stuff, and of course it turned out to be garbage.
Losing the lead actor is bad, especially when Cavill was so intrinsic to people's perspective of the medium. However, knowing that Cavill not only won over the fans despite a lot of initial suspicion about his fit for the role but also acted as a steward for the source material and was a big advocate for the fanbase in general, makes his departure a true death knell for the series.
In the books Emyhr was revealed to be Ciri's father in the last two chapters of the last book. In the Netflix series it was revealed in a typical American trope season 2 ending.
When I gave Witcher series a chance I was expecting action and monsters... but in return I got a talk show
Sounds like you wouldn't like the books then.
The books are HEAVILY dialogue-oriented.
@@cisthis7978 you are right, but in that case the series shouldnt be called Witcher bit Wifeminister XD
@@redneckrambo9626 So many people complain that the show isnt about Gerald killing monsters, when in the books that is like a side quest for him. Just a way to earn some gold, maybe some food and bed.
Have you ever read the books? It's alot of talking
@@Kodiak0291 thats why they are called books
Biggest scam of the century is that these writers actually got payed to massacre the source material like this. I know dozens of talented writers that would've done this for almost free, just because the job is that fucking easy - just adapt the book to the screen, don't change the contexts.
Shitty writers should still get paid for the work. I dont think they should get a job after this tho. Their egos were too big.
Now they are on strike. I feel like Junta when students demonstrates. The writers strike, nothing happens.
Crazy that you know people that would WORK for free, they must be shitty writers just trying to get their foot in the door.
@@berntmariustromsdal9215 I think chatgpt can do a better job than most of them
@@berntmariustromsdal9215 exactly, its insane, if I did such a crappy job where I work, id fire myself instantly without even waiting for the company to do it. How the fuck do you live with the fact that you just got an insane amount of money yet did the worst possible job at it, id just give it back and apologize...
15:35 To Asmongold's point about LoTR, wasn't Sauron being a big eye something that was only really considered to be a metaphor in the books? If I recall I think Peter Jackson did it only because he couldn't see them doing the character's size and power justice if they tried to animate him as a humanoid, hence why we only saw him as such at the very beginning of fellowship (the shooting that they did happen to do).
One of the ONLY times I have seen the main actor change, but they had a VERY good reason (he literally died,) and the replacement really went into 'being' the dude he replaced. Like he didn't become the character, he became the actor that was playing the character- Spartacus.
Still love that show
Loved every season of Spartacus. Kinda campy, but in the best way.
It still hurts tho
Fucken love both sparticus'
Agreed.
Honestly the off screen resolution between Yen and Ciri was kind of the only thing they could have done to get some semblance of book accuracy back.
Yen would have never, ever, not in a million years done anything to hurt Ciri. The Deathless Mother was never a thing. Yen never lost her magic. Season 2 was supposed to develop a mother-daughter relationship between them, and in order for the third season to make sense, they needed to speedrun it in the opening scene of the first episode.
They just self-cucked themselves with season 2 and unless they were planning on deviating EVEN FURTHER in S3, there was absolutely no "good" way to resolve these issues without rebooting all of it.
Thank God, I'm sick of Hollywood massacring my boy Geralt.
Edit: it's Netflix, mb
@@drunktomcruise8224 You're right, it is Netflix!
I mean Netflix is hollywood.
I'd mean, what's the diff
if witcher was made by hbo i wouldve liked it more. I dont really enjoy anything Netflix does anymore.
@@haimeur4773I've been unironically contemplating watching the series on Netflix. Do I just skip?
Ciri in the books and the third game is a complete total badass that they could push to the forefront and have a "Strong" female lead. I'm sure a majority of the fanbase would have zero issues if they actually stuck to the source material and brought that version of Ciri to life. She was so brutal in the ice lake!
They could have started a tv show where the games finished and just had the show about Ciri which could of been really cool.
but what sells her badassery is that she F*ing earns it. she goes from a spoiled princess to a war fugitive, a bandit and even a hunted rat (you know what I'm talking about). and she survives it. she goes from prey to one of the most unstoppable forces in the continent, from vulnerable to a F*ing menace. that's why "strong female leads" tend to fail. being strong isn't having power, it is overcoming your weakness. utmost strength comes from overcoming utmost weakness. she had all the potential to become a true strong female lead, the actress is also amazing. it's a tragedy how much potential was wasted by the show
Yes but she's white and Yennefer isn't so she has to play the damsel in distress so the brown lady can girl boss.
Yen in the opening scene of w3 was the most badass thing id ever seen. Shes a whole beast and we didnt need to b told that she is one.
So was the real Yennefer, probably the strongest, anti stereotype female character ever but they made her a crying victim while saying she's not. Pathetic.
The wild Hunt are just powerful elves that escaped from the witcher dimension leaving the other weaker elves behind due to the conjunction of the spheres. They are hunting Ciri because she can cross dimensions at will rather than at certain times of the year due to her blood heritage.
After seeing season 3 / first 5 episodes it became obvious why Cavill quit. Such a shame what the production/writers dpt did to the story & characters. They literally ruined it and Henrys statements regarding his departure were VERY polite and diplomatic given that pile of crap the series turned into.
It’s just insane that a company acquires such a strong license, finds such a great actor (and added bonus: huge fan of the books/genre who is passionate about it!) and just wrecks it intentionally.
One must pity Hemsworth for taking over, he has already lost: a ruined series and he isnt Cavill - who became THE Witcher.
You're still watching it? Mad props to you. I have stopped watching since the first 3 chapters in season 2 because it felt weird to me
Agenda.. that's all I can say.
Funny thing, they did not find Henry Cavill he is such fun of Witcher that the moment he knew about the Show he insisted on playing Geralt.
The issue with race/gender swapping is that it is deliberately making what is supposed to be a superficial aspect of a person the thing you focus most on. Like Gandalf being made Chinese, no one liked Gandalf because he's white, no one cared that he was white, but someone makes the decision that we should now see him as a Chinese person and he should represent Chinese people. Morgan Freeman was right when asked about how to stop racism "Stop talking about it!".
so no one cared Gandalf was white, until he wasn't. That idea would probably single-handedly change even Morgan Freeman's mind.
@miguelsimoes5883 Not really. As it is a Universe with a Mideval Europe setting.
The opposite is true as well when a Coloured character turning white has cause massive public outcry.
See the reactions behind Gods of Egypt.
@@hulahala4065 the outcry for Gods of Egypt did not come from the "race swap" of a black character to a white character, but from the century old tradition of erasing black bodies (and also native american and north and south asian) from original racially diverse settings for mainstream consumption. The movie epitomized that tradition, and became a symbol for it.
The outcry for racialized faces in medieval settings and the outcry for the white faces in Gods of Egypt are not opposite events, they are both backlashes in favor or opposed to white supremacy in mainstream pop culture. That does not make nazis out of people just for being uncomfortable with a black elf, but white supremacy never needed nazis to be the status quo.
Of course we can say "it's just a movie", and we absolutely should. But if we decide to focus on a character's race, it's not just a movie anymore.
@@drone6581 the funny thing is that Doctor Who fandom didn't even hate that she was a female doctor because the Doctor in the show stated before that he did switch genders before and timelords been can change genders, but because her WRITER (Chiball) FAILED her. That's the problem with her character compared to Tennant and Smith who had the best showrunners.
"Why can't it be about the Witcher"? Because he's a white man, duh
"Did he just put a baby in a microwave? I thought you weren't supposed to do that!" lol Stay Gold PonyBoy!
For me Yennefer and the writers kill witcher, the actress plays fine but is to far off the source material. Its more important to stay woke above all costs for the writers and it shows, not just in the witcher but in most media nowdays... What the f* is going on? Why?
They do it in order to boost their ESG and DEI score as per Blackrock / Vanguard decree. Thus, their parent companies will continue to receive investments from said firms, as well as other large companies who are part of this "club".
Basically all the big companies and firms engage in this. Others are either excluded or included based on whether or not they follow the ESG and DEI guidelines. This is where all the woke shit stems from.
The best part is that, with the strike currently ongoing, it gives the studios an excuse to fire most of the writers involved with the trash shows like this.
I canceled my netflix because every consecutive episode of a show I was watching had some kind of lgbtqi+ character story line shoehorned in it. It felt so incredibly forced and after that it became super obvious that they were doing it with a ton of content on Netlfix so I canceled. I voted for the greens and social democrats in the last election in my country... I just want to watch good shows, not some token diversity parade...
They just needs to succumb to Henry Cavill, apologize profusely, beg him on hand and knee to come back and give him total creative control.
And they'd have poles of money in return. But the pride and ignorance.of these executives and wokesters knows no bounds.
No Henry no Witcher. Stop hate watching everyone.
It’s crazy how a huge amount of people do this. I dont like ubisoft games, I don’t buy their games. I hate disney, I don’t watch their movies.
A lot of people keep taking in the media they complain about.
Agreed i won't do this to my brain to begin with. I just watch the reviewers and stay sane myself.
@@rexplorer.officialtbf I think that doesn't necessarily apply to UA-camrs. They just watch shows and movies to review them, then the audience gets a sense of schadenfreude from ripping on a show or movie. Sometimes the reviews themselves receive greater viewing figures than the actual shows.
It's a bit of a negative perpetual cycle, but I suppose it can get frustrating knowing the state of a lot of how a lot of IPs are being handled these days. Fans just want writers and showrunners to embody the spirit of the franchises they often purport to represent. As Asmon said, a lot of fans understand some deviation from the source material as long as its handled properly.
Let the writers strike. And never stop. We need some new talent in that space.
@@kidmoseyThey would be perfectly fine making like
Hunger Games style shows for teens and young adult women
It would be fine, vapid, pop nonsense that might even be capable of decent moments
But it's like they're not confident in their own ideas (for obvious reasons now), so they have to attach themselves to established IPs like a tick to suck attention out of it
But that just makes their schtick so much worse
One show sucks and you want to overthrow the entire industy? Childish. We are currently in the 2nd golden age of Television and people still cry. You can't spit about quility and drop bars like "when it comes to being prosperous I monsterous philosophers and scholars rolled up into a shot-caller".
Just need talent at this point 😂
@@CrashHWD there is plenty of talent in the industry, its handicapped by business decisions and the investors/marketers deciding what's going to be made or not.
@@kidmosey 100k shows are filmed ever year if you can't find anything good it's on you.
Literally could have had Henry kill monsters with almost no story and it would have been unstoppable. Except they made Henry brooding eye candy.
In the book, Saruman indeed didn't fall from the tower. He died much later, after the ring was destroyed when Frodo returned to the Shire.
He died the same way; being stabbed in the back by Wormtongue, it’s just the setting and circumstances that changed.
And honestly, the whole mini war for the Shire would’ve never worked in that trilogy. Jackson made the right call
@@GorramTworm tounge slit his throat after frodo showed mercy.
@@andrew-rn9ui Whatever you say bro
The show went from a the kind you have to pause so you could answer questions for your girlfriend, to a show she can now watch alone
the moment I see a woman directing or screenwriting or anything backstage otherthan make up, I know it will be a disaster
I imagine the witcher being like supernatural, were they have a overall narrative but in the meanwhile they have to make a living by killing monsters, and by they I mean gerald and ciri, or jaskier, or other witchers, with the occasional yennefer in some episodes.
Yeah bro theyre basically like me
See, that would've been nice. Take one famous storyline from the book/game, make it an overarching plot of the season, and then just add the monster killing actions while staying true to the source materials. I agree.
Huh that would have been nice.
Supernatural for the 2020's? that would have been fantastic.
The problem for female Doctor who, in my opinion, wasnt just the gender. Yes doctor can be either female or male when regenerates so on that part its almost okay (even though people were used to see male doctor over these many years). But one of the problems I did see was the actor itself. She just didnt give me the doctor vibes and her acting wasnt that great.
Biggest problem however was the marketing when they decided to have female doctor. That for me was a downfall of doctor who and it pushed me as a female viewer away. They marketed the new doctor as a game breaker and told how this was shattering glass ceilings. That marketing was just so condescending that I decided to skip this new doctor completely. I have watched all the "modern" doctor whos until Jodie but that marketing was just so bad and the first impressions of the new doctor who was bad so havent even touched the current doctor who timeline. Maybe someday the series will turn itself around again but until then.
Also the weird facial expressions she would make. Mr. Bean would be proud.
Was she blonde?
The miscasting of Yenn & Triss was a warning. Should of seen this coming
I feel so bad for Henry Cavill. This was one of his dream roles to play Geralt. He loves the characters, he loves the stories, he read the books and researched his role. He is a giant fan of the games.
Only to pretty much get kicked in the balls by the producers and executives with their heads so far up their own asses
He's had a rough patch.
Hopefully his Warhammer show is everything we want it to be, given he has some creative control over it.
There is a ton of politics between the mages and nations in the Witcher but it isn't told in the way the show tells it, the information is often learned because Geralt is involved or Geralt learns about it, whereas the show is treating the mage stuff as the forefront even when geralt isn't involved
Though I have not read the Witcher books (I have too) the way you described them feels like how they adapted the hobbit in the movies, The story in the books is basically only about Bilbo and everything is told though his perspective but in the movies they tried to make everything bigger by showing these events that Bilbo would have no knowledge off or was not present for be shown to us.
Nah, this shit is book accurate actually. I remember reading Witcher when I was 13 and I was scrolling TENS of pages of pure politics chapters, no Geralt, no adventures, just raw politics.
I checked out in the middle of the second season, it went into a direction I didn't enjoy at all and the Twitter drama with the writers, Henry leaving the show and the dumpster fire that was Blood Origin made me quit Netflix entirely. This show had the potential to be an all time classic, Henry's passion for the source material, the support of the fans and hype around it and the writers just couldn't resist their ego, turning it into their own shitshow, making fun of Henry for liking the source material. It's just sad.
At least Henry got a new role as producer, actor and writer of a Warhammer show by Games Workshop. Warhammer being something he arguably has more passion for than The Witcher.
@@starhammer5247 I'm going to watch it because of him, but I never got into Warhammer and 40K.
The Witcher books hold a special place in my heart as my all-time favorite fantasy series. I harbor a hope that, at some point in the future, they will receive a truly faithful adaptation, whether that be a television series or a movie trilogy. I'm open to all possibilities.
For those who haven't delved into the books yet, PLEASE don't let the series deter you. While the characters share the same names in both mediums, that's where the similarities end. The books offer a uniquely rich and immersive experience that shouldn't be missed.
the sad thing is that asmon even says (13:18) that no one gives a F about the side characters, and that they just care about geralt. I mean, I never forgot about cahir, milva, regis, and even jaskier's friend that only appears for a single story on sword of destiny: essi. there are so many striking characters, and the book is all about everyone else so many times that ocasionally you even forget about the main plot and geralt entirely. this just shows how ATROCIOUSLY BAD the series did as an adaptation. it made people hate one of the strongest points about this story. and what makes me even angrier is that they wasted so much talent with such a spectacular cast. they deserved so much better, not only cavill, but many more, specially (I'll mention the characters as I don't know all the actor's names) jaskier, yen, ciri, fringilla, istredd, tissaia, cahir, and many others. yes, most of these characters were butchered by the plot, but the actors did a stellar job nonetheless. I hope the best for all of them
Book Regis was my favorite character
Ya, Nerdrotic's Hollywood takes tend to be dead on. Cavill loves the source material more than the writers, and like Tom Cruise he cares deeply about the success of what he's in. If he left or was asked to leave the Witcher series, it's because he knew he couldn't make it a success.
Respect the source material, respect the fans
Actually, there are quite a lot of politics and dealing with power players in the books too. An important thing about Geralt is that even though he hates politics, he keeps getting dragged in various socialite events and offers he can't refuse because he's gotten too famous and connected at that point, and he knows way more about politics than he's comfortable with because of that.
Times of Contempt was by far the most political book. The best part was the finale (in the book). They needed fans to be invested to follow this plot, and make the sorceresses mega hot like they were in the books. Ball dropped into the abyss.
Which is fine... if you only keep the politics that was explicitly in the source material to begin with.
Adding new, additional, real world political "problems" of today is the pathetic s**t no one wants.
@@redneckrambo9626 did you read the books?
@@redneckrambo9626 Yes, I agree, they should have just stayed close to the source material. I was merely responding to Asmongold not knowing about politics in The Witcher.
@@Waggabagaboo😊😊😊😊😊
Chris Pine and Benedict Cumberbatch were good in that movie.
What i would have liked to see (and i didnt watch the show) was geralt just doing a different witcher contract every episode, have a side char like ciri, yen etc show up sometimes and progress the overall plot that way while they hunt a monster and then the final would maybe be only big plot stuff but geralt would mainly be shown and any other plot stuff would come from towns/cities or chars that geralt talks to, alot more like the witcher 3 game
they should have gone with a half serialized show. Have episode 1 and 2 be the start of the season, then have them walk into random trouble on the road, mid season finally, then trouble on the road again and then the 2 episode finally. ITs so free, just look back on how shows used to be written due to this beeing sucjh a great fit for this show. Then maybe even cash in a bit on nostalgia from this kind of format that was popular like 15 to 10 years back. They could have even stolen sidequest and random encounters from the game.
Its a god damn dnd campain ffs just roll with it.
I think the best comparison is like early (s1-s5) supernatural. Monster of the week with an overall plot that is slowly revealed through what happens in each episode.
Actually more I think on it, (early) supernatural is a very good comparison, their monster hunters that people don't understand and/or like, just run with that.
If they did it like that, it would probably have ended up like Mandalorian where it is just 90% busy work that means nothing and 10% story, I do agree that geralt is not fighting monsters enough though
@@dylantye2681 yes, could have had a very similar structure and it would have worked
@@mistywww3199 they should have let themselves be inspired by contract work more. So not just a monster fight, but gathering clues, having some obstacles, hhaving some plottwist or showing Gerald lube up his sword. The authors just hate the base material and hate the game even more due to beeing not the original sorce but the games would have made for a good basis with them already beeing the better more broughtly liked version of the story.
Can't wait for Henry's Warhammer show. Hope he's able to continuing finding passion in his work.
Good for you man, im not looking forward to anything for the last 10 years, its more than obvious that 90% of the budget goes to CGI and marketing while the writers are getting peanuts, which results in hiring some literal college grads that are trying to make a name for themselves, took me a while to realize this and everything that comes out just confirms this "theory" of mine, writing is so bad, effects and marketing is through the roof to the point where i read about it on my cereal box, but when you watch it dialogues are literally sitcom quality without the funny part... It made me very cynical towards new projects.
Christopher Nolan woulda made The Witcher better 😂
Deviating is an absolutely horrid idea when it's an immensely beloved series. First you must earn the trust of the fans before you even think about attempting to deviate 5% from the material
They could have spent two seasons on the first two books. They’re all random side stories but they create so much world building and character building. The short stories they’d did adapt felt so rushed, but at least they TRIED to adapt them so fans were forgiving. The other seasons didn’t even try to adapt the books. They just used the books as a starting point and ran in another direction
the games deviated from the books. People still loved it, because those deviations still held true to the core aspects of the fantasy.
Biggest deviations? Geralt lives!
Deviating isn't horrible, You can improve on these stories.
The issue was they aren't looking to improve the witcher, they wanted to turn it into something it isnt.
on one hand I feel bad for Henry because he loves The Withcer and this was a dream role. But on the other hand I am ecstatic that he is producing a Warhammer 40k series.
Just want to point out that Yennifer has about 4 perspective chapters in the entire witcher series, 8 books. She a very important character yes but its not her story it Geralt and Ciri's story.
For the Female Doctor
the problem wasn't that they turned a male character female (they had already shown that The Doctors race was capable of this in an Ep with a previous Doctor)
the problem was:
1. it was just a bunch of PC Stories that didn't need the Doctor at all, and nothing the Doctor did or said had any actual impact
2. too many "companions" at the same time (3) so no one got any actual development
3. no coherent overarching story (because the writers didn't coordinate with each other)
A Female Doctor *Could* have been great, but the writers sucked A**
I would have liked if they had gone with Alex Kingston, at least then they could have used the Hitler episode as an excuse.
I dont think you're necessarily wrong about the writing being bad. But the wiritng for Doctor who was always bad, it's the actor for the doctor that carries 90% of the show. Hence why so many people fell off after David left.
I dont think a female doctor can be succesful because the show is synonymous with "witty british guy saves the day"
The doctor writing wise, is already a Mary Sue but it becomes alot more noticable and seems pandering when you genderswap the doctor into an ACTUAL Mary Sue. It comes off the same way as Rei in star wars. It doesnt matter if the character is good as it is overshadowed by the political connotations of their existence.
People dont like to see fiction that is directly influenced by irl politics and thats why so many of these characters feel forced.
The Whole doctor's identity is that he's a male mary sue.
they also had no idea what the doctor was actually about. The problem wasn't the gender swap but the butchering of ideals and hollowing out of her character. Also the retcons.
Yeah honestly it could have been great, the actress they got for the part was pretty good too. Shame it sucked to so bad lmfao
Pepole are angry for bad stories, not a female actor.
20:00 - that should have been the first season for sure. Geralt as core of each episode with other characters introduced one by one in each episode as side characters. And from there move to stories involving other factions in subsequent seasons. That’s how the books were structured: the first two books were collections of short stories and then five novels which talk more about world around Geralt and his relationships with Yennefer and Ciri.
oh, but having a show focused on Geralt is not woke enough, they needed to make Yenn a co-protagonist, even if that meant a convoluted timeline and destroying her character arch
It's very hard to have the camera follow Geralt all the time because there is only one Henry Cavill. Scenes with other characters can be filmed in parallel, so you end up with more material each season. Unfortunately, all the extra material is trash because Witcher Encyclopedia Henry Cavill isn't there to check the script. Like when they introduced a magic system where it takes great sacrifice to move a pebble... only to ignore that completely. Or when they made the sorceresses draw their power from electric eels that are actually orphan girls, which makes all the sorceresses evil witches.
@@tonyng9you should give the books a go. Really, even if you're not a avid reader. Just read the 1-7. Try it, I'm quite curious how you'd see the show after
@@SmokersTars right, feels strange seeing people get mad about the series more or less following the story of the books. I guess everyone just played the games
why in hell should you ever deviate from source material. No
Asmon is right because there's some deviation that CDPR did to the lore too. In the books, i don't think it is ever mentioned that the Wild Hunt are elves, witchers don't carry two swords on their backs, etc. Gaunter O Dimm, one of the biggest lore deviation/addition to the story, a sort of master of fate. But everyone loves the changes that CDPR made because those changes were pretty much at the essence of the Witcher. CDPR were clearly Witcher fans and proud of their culture, and it showed even though they made deviations.
Netflix has none of that. They don't know what the Witcher is. They have no idea of what it means to be called "The Witcher". Their changes don't fulfill the essence of the Witcher.
The Wild Hunt were definitely elves, but other than that, yeah
Eredin is explicitly revealed to be king of the aristocratic Aen Elle (the lucky elves, story-wise), kind of the "dark elves" of the trope if you would. So, he's very much elven. Not to be mixed with the Aen Seidhe (elves like the Squirrels), who got shafted after the conjunction of spheres and ended up with humans.
TBF the idea of a wild Hunt predates the Witcher just folk lore. They have been elves in folk lore. So don't think that's a stretch.
The wild hunt were elves and witchers do carry 2 swords on their back. Where did you get that from?
The witcher carrying two swords is in the first book and the wild hunt being elves is in the last book.
Well since noone has the balls to say it I will. The show was always bad. I don't get why people blame netflix or believe that Henry's Cavil exit tanked the rating. The show's ratings would still tank even if Cavil stayed because the show is terrible. GOT season 8 is better than this I kid you not. The failed to make a faithfull adaption and the show is simply falling apart. Cavil was the only one that really tried but you can't outrun bad writing.
I don't rate with good and bad. I prefer the memorable or forgettable rating. The Withcer Season 3 was very forgettable.
I completely forgot Blood Origin was even a thing
The sad thing is to know that the witcher's books talk about so many aspects such as racism, sexism, sexuality, even in one of the books it implies that ciri is bisexual, the writings if had really read the books they would know how rich they are and they wouldn't need to keep creating things that don't exist just for the agenda and get shitty. But I think they are too arrogant for that
Fanfiction has more passion in it then anything out of Hollywood.
Looking back, you can honestly tell they had bad intentions from the very beginning, with certain casting choices.
They needed henry so they could get away with other shit otherwise we would have had Wesley Snipes playing geralt or some shit, if they were allowed to just do what they want.
They really butchered our babes.
RIP: Yen, Triss and Keira worst of all. Atleast they chose somebody attractive and competent to play Phillipa. Fringilla just looks like a product of fetal alcohol syndrome.
We're literally shown that they go through a process to become this beautiful peak versions of themselves in service of their careers and Keira still looks like a pig, was she literally a farm animal before that? Jesus christ.
Other problems with their specific castings and the intent behind it aside.
RIP The Witcher.
They were given a layup and decided to punch a baby.
Season 1 will always be remembered. But man why are these Writers keep getting these projects that they either hate or belittle which just produces garbage
...as a shitty adaptation
@@mrkirkerko compared to season 3 its masterpiece
nepotism
Well, shit like this happens when you replace your writers and directors with activists.
They pitch the show to Netflix with some girl power and netflix just stamps the approval stamp on it with no thought behind it. They don't have to because they rely on subscriptions and not views,
1000%
Theu didn't re-do Willow. They continued the story with a TV show. It wasnt terrible. I thought it was good. Not amazing, and certainly not perfect, but it was good.
I will say I really do wish the Witcher game fans ragging on the show realize they're ragging on it for the wrong reasons. For example, the books actually aren't just about Geralt. They are at first, especially with the short stories. These first books really set up the Witcher and Geralt and the world then the actually story really begins in the 3rd book. Ciri eventually does take a primary role in the books towards the end and is probably more important than Geralt. Yennefer on the other hand shouldn't have this much screen time especially early on. She is more of an important side character than a main one. The books aren't about her they're about Geralt and Ciris bond. Ciri does become a badass as she's literally trained by our favourite badass Geralt. its a shame they really messed up their development together by not following the source material.
Also Asmon was off the mark a little, the intrigue and ball scenes in the books are some of the most interesting parts especially later on they're just handled terribly in the show. As a Book and Game fan I truly think the show is lacking the most with its immersion and world building. Everything looks cheap and generic fantasy when the Witcher has such a strong identity with its polish influence. Nothing in the show captures that which halves its score for me. Such wasted potential man..
Makes me wonder how they will handle what happens in the fifth book. It introduces a lot of new great characters after all
@@xcenex479 Totally. I really don't think they can pull it back for me. Im a massive witcher fan with an open mind so the fact they lost me is a true failure.
@@hal3908 Same here! I understand some changes may be necessary, since not everything can work in live action and that’s okay. But those changes can’t be trash, that’s the thing😅 I also gave up on the show after season 2.
As for Doctor who I think most Doctor Who fans would agree Jodi as the Doctor was fine. She's brilliant the problem was the Stories where complete hot Garbage. 😢
Lol big cope right here.
Jodie was awful. She's helped pump woke idiotic bullshit into the franchise.
I dont who thought the casting of triss was good. Triss and Geralt arguably are more connected at least in the game than Geralt and Yennefer, but in the series Triss and Geralt are practically not doing shit together. And Triss actor is 20 years too old. Or at least looks like it.
Even Captain Janeway was a good fitting female character. There were cooler female characters in the 80's and 90's than today in a lot of franchises
STNG》STV》DS9 for me personally - I haven't finished DS9 yet, though
@@Stefantius Haha, amazing have definitely the same order...I just started to watch DS9 again since the first time since my teenage days. Forgot how amazing the intro theme was.
Cooler female 80 charcter.. elen riplay
@@MrDoreius I wanted to go there too but I go one step further and say Private Vasquez^^.....she was a badass motherfucker
Because they replace men with women without making them great characters, just put them because. We have to much female characters that didn't serve its purpose - being good.
“ all you had to do is do what the book said”
When you think about that, it’s actually crazy this even had a chance of flopping
And once again people would be upset that there is not enough killing of monsters and too much politics. Because that is what the books are. A lot of politics and not that much monster killing
I lost my shit when he said Eredin was gay. Holy fuck I haven't laughed so hard in a while. What degenerates are allowed to write such falsehoods? Same with dandelion and radovid like what??
it was always bad show. This just proves that people watched because of Henry Cavill presence not the story or show.
yup, only some characters were well casted, the story was all over the place because they tried to speedrun different events from the books without explaining context etc. Henry carried it
Imagine finding a pot full of gold only to dump all the gold and think "finally, new shit bucket!"...
In the case of Dr. Who, I would have been able to give a female Doctor a chance. I was excited for a female doctor. And then they wrote a season completely destroying what the doctor stood for, what the doctor had done in the past, they tried to "change" the doctor without understanding him or the deeper concepts behind the character. They could have given us a show with "Missy" a female doctor and the fans would have loved it. But they decided to butcher the history of the show. And the fans successfully made them pay the price in ratings.
Yeah, fans weren't annoyed that the Doctor was 'female', they were pissed because the writing was terrible!
I wonder if the reason writing has gone so bad these days is because writers are less and less inspired by real life experience, by classic movies, by great novels, but rather inspired by other fictional work such as movies and tv show. it creates a loop of where hyper reality becomes the new reality for them. and so we are entering an era of hyper-hyper reality
Ding ding ding
inspired by youtubers and influencers, that's what this new wave of directors want to be, influencers.
I feel bad for all of us. A faithful witcher story on screen could have been greatness
I'm unironically contemplating watching the series on Netflix. Do I just skip?
@@makefoxhoundgreatagain842yes, only the first season is watchable
The Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, and a lot of other series weren't a 1:1 because they were based off of books. Movies like The Shinning, Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory, Watchmen, and The Boys (tv series) all diverted from their source material. The point is, they were close to the source material or kept the same spirit as the source material. The Netflix Witcher was just pure fanfiction.
Imagine a Netflix Dragon Ball Z tv series where Goku, Vegeta, and Krillin are ignored, and Bulma and Chi Chi are treated like the main characters. You're just souring the built in audiences expectations.
LOL, I thought I'd pressed the wrong button on The Witcher because the scenes kept repeating. Now I know I wasn't crazy. I just didn't pay attention as I kept pausing the episode to do something. The wild hunt were feared as ghosts, spectres who appear from nowhere and kill everything in their path. But when they did the reveal I was disappointed cos he was just an Elf. But before that, the game made them something more scary than they were and that was the beauty of the game.
The games annihilates the show. If you played the games then you can rest in peace knowing you played something absolutely magical.
Witcher COULD have been a game of thrones. The books have a HUGE intrigue, backstabbing and political tension, mixed in with big monsters being killed in fun fights. They however went with...boobs good...look stuff is happening...and...and there are things over there look look! Yes Season 3 was insanely bad. The part of the book they take it from tells you WHY things are happening, and why it matters. In Season 3, it was just events happening because stuff.
It’s criminal what they’re doing to the Witcher verse. Got into Witcher 3 pretty late, 1st time playing it was right after the next gen update launch but got so into the game & lore I power read through the books right after. Other fantasy franchises like LoTR or GoT got their chance to shine before being eventually ruined by Hollywood, Witcher could’ve had that if they maintained continuity with their S1 production staff & most importantly Henry Cavill. Well… that’s my vent 😂
I'm watching for Geralt, my wife is watching for Henry. No one is watching for anything else.
Honestly i am amazed how someone can kill a good source material. Some may say they could not do it. B-sht. We had a good Witcher (called Hexer) TV series back in 2002 and despite the fact that the budget was way less than what you can get from Netflix it was actually very close to the source. CGI was not the best but back in the day with that buget its still good enough. So Lauren stating she wanted to stay close to the source material and delivering this is just a solid proof she is not capable od doing her job. As far as Netflix Witcher show - it would probably be even worse if not for Henry Cavil who knows the books, games, and was stubborn enough to try to keep at leat some of the plot in check. But thats "new film/tv series making" for you. And then when all goes to hell - blame the fans! Thats just sad
There indeed was a lot of politics and mage / king / spies plots and entire chapters of books not focusing on Geralt.
Thing is those parts while good in books, where you have 300-400 pages per volume, they are not good enough for the series to occupy 1 or more of episodes.
It can be done like what game of thrones did for the earlier seasons. The world building was so great, and every politics stuff didn't feel like a chore at all i actually enjoyed learning about their schemes and motivations.
It’s amazing that in all of this, and all these horrible adaptations, The Last of Us show someone came out and delivered what fans of the game wanted, and the changes they made were actually good
Except the constant adding of gay shit not in the original stories.
Helped that the game director was one of the showrunners, and the other showrunner just came off making Chernobyl.
Anyone who read the books, can agree that women in "witcher" was strong and cool in natural way, without any agenda pushing bullshit. And even in first season ciri was kinda weak i didint understand why they made her like that. Witcher books has absolutely fantastic base material. Some fucking assholes goes in and fucking ruins it. Its so disappointing that people who don't care about their job now get the job. And that diversity bullshit is ruining everything