It’s sad that “E” has chosen to practice poor business ethics with you who have gotten them so much sales. I’m with you! Much success to your board. Keep being honest. It’s extremely valuable to people. Thanks 🙏🏼
Sur le M5 will be better, evolve esc are know to be junk, the only eskate who can make you fly when braking! And the 2 triggers remote is stupid, why use two fingers when only one is needed.
@@jackcaubat9168 It's $300 less than the Hadean. erm.. It's built way nicer. Has lights. Has app tunability. It's a 'faaaaar' better known brand for 'resale.' You have no idea what you're talking about.
Evolve lost their directions of "leading the market". At the days, their boards were unique and gave us no option. But now? There are so many other options and evolve is still there while all the other competitors are catched up already and probably passed them... Please evolve... Dont be the second boosted board and if you cant lead anymore...atleast lower the price.
Hello from 2024 there the apple of eskate still You can get them or you can go elsewhere and pretty much get the same ride If not better.for hundreds of dollars or less like phones
I agree with you guys 100%. I expected so much more innovation from the Hadean and the price point is uncomfortable. I enjoyed this discussion guy's 🤟 keep up the good work.
I completely agree that you articulated the features and performance of the Evolve Bamboo and Carbon GTR Boards better than Evolve did, and better than any other channel. Thanks to you, the dilemma was solved and I bought the Bamboo GTR first. Then, also a credit to you, I bought the Carbon GTR a year later. Since I bought from Evolve Asia, there was no way to credit you with the referral, but both my GTR boards are a credit to you. Thanks for all your hard work!
The m5 is only $100 aud cheaper than the base bamboo hadean, which makes it alot harder to justify buying your board because it's very similar spec, has a basic remote, no built in break lights, and any problems I may have are alot harder to deal with because you are overseas. That being said if you are in the UK and are looking for a new board, at this stage it seems stupid to even think about buying the hadean over the m5
Guys, completely love your channel, however not sure your view on the Evolve situation is completely fair. So Evolve should of called you….did you ever call them to make them aware you were associated/involved in setting up a rival company with a website modelled directly on theirs…. Always 3 sides to a story, yours, theirs and somewhere in the middle is the truth.
And with the whole payment thing, looks like Matty told them it usually goes through Friday but he'll try get it paid early and they release this on a Thursday...
It’s just a gathering of parts made in China being sold by manufacturers. It doesn’t take a genius to do that. My first go board is a custom mountain board and the top speed is 65 and the range is 60-80 km. All top speck parts all for $1600 pounds.
Evolve's front face : Pretending Kind customer service. Real face : feeding fanboys and very rude, aggressive to earnest reviews, comments of their boards.
Yeah these lads are a bit clueless. Evolve have been making boards for 13 years and these lads have had a youtube channel for 2 or 3 years and think Evolve owe them something. Now they even sell a board that is a competitor to Evolve. These lads should be thanking Evolve as its the Evolve branding that has been getting these lads views.
Awww they (EVOLVE💩) got all agro😬😖😝 Moreover your real life solution is accurate & kills the petty-ness growing at a high rate due to the truth given by Ricky & Chris's review...made by a real guys that have made a great board...yeah hope you's make stupid money. Thanks!
I live in Australia and I also bought a Evolve GTR Carbon less than 2 months ago based primarily off your reviews. I Even bought new bushings and spare parts for it a few weeks ago based off your video reviews as they were the most in depth and explained everything perfectly. I was a bit upset that the new boards are now coming out so soon after buying the GTR and I was going to upgrade to the Hadeon because i feel the gtr is no where near as fast as i was expecting (doesnt help that im around the 100kg mark), but after this video. I think unforunately as much as I would love to get the hadeon board, i might need to look at something else as im not a fan of how it seems they have treated you guys. It almost seems like Evolve's Ego is getting way to big and starting to step all over the little guys that helped build their brand. I do love supporting Australian companies though after watching this video, I think i'll be looking at other options. Does the M5 ship to Australia? =) keep up the great videos guys.
25:10 you we're talking about boards that evolve sent that we're out fucked, I bought my stoke online and received a broken remote straight out of the box, it had scratches on it, looked like it had been used, and dropped, did a trigger rest 3 times and the accelerator was stuck on and I almost sent my board flying into oncoming traffic. On day 1. And I live in Brisbane Australia. Less than 2 hours away from their headquarters in the gold coast. How does this happen?
There’s a lot of people in the esk8 community that don’t like you inc myself but it is what it is, I’m not an evolve fan boy but they’ve come out with a great product, refined, light weight, looks like it’s been thought out and everything is not borrowed from another company, price could be better but it’s still decent
Most esk8 manufacturers use generic parts, I build my own boards so gullible has nothing to do with it, I think it’s a great board end off, if you think it’s too much no one is being forced to buy it
Those who are surprised over their attitude clearly haven’t seen their “China-board” hit piece video, where they essentially went after exway. However, I do have to give it to evolve with their LEDs. I really wish more boards had brake lights built into them. It’s partially why I really want the exway wave. Plus I just like LEDs and “bling” on E boards in general. Would never pay $3000+ for that though.
That was a part of what initially had me on the fence when looking for my first board. I was stuck trying to decide between the metroboard x and the evolve carbon gtr. Metroboard x was slightly faster, had an easier system in place for changing the tires for tensioning the belt and had the led lights controlled from the remote, but what won me over in the end is I was looking primarily for something to commute with, and the difference of being a few kg heavier compared to the GTR meant I ended up going with that.
Honestly, their new board looks fucking sick. The reason I won't get it is because I had a bad experience on a gtr with an esc melting and the board chucked me. I think they don't use high enough quality components to justify the price. I really like how they redesigned the remote to be super tough, that's a huge thing. I'm gunna miss that evolve remote....not when braking at speed mind you, braking above 30k on the evolve remote is sketchy, but the speedometer and percentage battery reader are awesome. The form factor of the board is also excellent. All in all they have nice boards, but it's true, they are overpriced. would rather spend more and get true quality.
I had that exact experience too. The replacement ESC has been fine for 8 months now touch wood. QC or the quality of the parts period seems to be a problem alright. If nothing else I hope at least their new board is safe with regards to the components
I want the board business to follow through on vehicles for life and I want more fabi in the podcast. Maybe a little selfish but I fucking love you guys your honesty and you open door view.
Looked at a few other boards but still decided to go with the hadean: quality, service, design, looks… I didn’t really care whether other boards did a few percent more speed or less weight because the overall evolve package is really top notch
I researched for months almost every e board out there and went with the bamboo hadean, Im a previous longboard rider and loved the flex and carve of my longboard. I’m just getting into e skating and wanted a board that’s fun to ride and most important a nice remote and in my opinion, evolve has the nicest remote out there, the board also charges super fast. I’m a DIY kind of person, im deff going to change out the grip tape and convert to a gear drive system and get aftermarket wheels, I might even change the trucks out to TKP trucks. I honestly just love the deck and remote, the flex and range.
Bought the m5 back in March and I thought I had a great rapport with Chris+ Ricky. Several delivery dates came and went but NO PROBLEM, I really believe in what they are trying to do. I've dropped 4 emails recently no hassling just trying to find out delivery date. No replies totally ghosted. I'm worried now, has anyone heard if they've gone out of business?
I’m having the same problem. I’ve bought the pre production board over a month ago now….I was told it would be sent out in a few days after having a once over. Many emails later and many excuses I’m still waiting.
Oh yeahhhh. Keep doing comparisons. Love your reviews guys. I am waiting for the Hadean vs your board. Or hadean carbon vs hadean bamboo. I have nothing bad to say about Evolve. Hadean are pretty but expensive. I wish you guys could just sort things out with Evolve and you can still have a good relationship.
Daniel Kwan, a reviewer, also thinks Evolve is overpriced. I think as more reviewers get more exposure to different boards, Evolve doesn't seem to have the competitive advantage to warrant the price
Same for me. I initially liked the look of the GTR but it was your guy’s thorough and informative content that persuaded me to buy it. I love my Carbon and Bamboo GTRs but I’m really disappointed about the deterioration of your working relationship with Evolve.
Same here ! I bought a GTR one from your videos ! Had it a 5/6 months and sold it due to the lack of top end and growing out of it almost got a bit boring riding solo .
I'm Australian and want to desperately support Evolve but the more I learn about this company, the more I distance myself from them. Dodgey remote disconnects, uncalled for and misleading comparison video with competing eskate brand, overpriced products and now finding out about how disrespectful they treat their loyal affiliates. It's a shame. Evolve going the way of Boosted. Sucks but not too much since Evolve are manufactured in China (would've been worse if it affected Australian manufacturing). P.S. I just subscribed. Ricky needs to stop interrupting Chris (lol, half joking)
Have a Boosted Stealth (beside Onsra and GTR), and I still enjoy riding it, cause it is so different from the others. Single Kingpin, so flexy, stylisch, feels more like normal Longboard crusing. Looking to swap the motors on the GTR. So it might be faster than the Hadean :3
You guys are no longer ambassadors, so why you thought you will sit on two chairs? Maybe Evolve had to contact you before cancelling the account, but you had been able to do it the same way. This is a good lesson for Evolve to not deal with the guys who don't know what is business is about and NDA agreement.
I spent a long time deciding on which electric skateboard ro purchase for my first ever. Your videos were instrumental on my decision to purchase a bamboo gtr. I must say I am disappointed with Evolve I have contacted them for advice and they have not replied. So much for fantastic customer service. I personally will now never buy from them again. If only your unknown boards were available when I pulled the trigger 😑
Love the content but I think the channel needs a name change. If they’re talking about how the M5 is better than the Hadean because you can muck about with the VESC settings then you no longer represent the “average” eskater. As an “average” eskater I like the idea of having a simple app which I can tweak but won’t result in me tearing my trucks apart like Ricky did with his first custom board!
You can get an ecomobl m24 with 4 motors and full suspension for the same price as evolves new line up of boards and that goes 35mph so just mind blowing
To be honest, it feels like you guys rushed into becoming evolve enemies. Yes they didn't, or are not handling your interactions perfectly. However it " feels " like it's worth keeping a relationship with such a big company alive. You already have experience / connections with them and It doesn't sound like people at the company are trying to do you harm, except maybe the math error on what is owed for affiliate links from the past. That would be acouple peoples fault at most i asume. Just a bit more patience, what if they're still planning on doing everything you ask but are still working on it. Please consider staying allies with evolve ! I asume you wont regret it in the long run and it can only benefit you to stay connected with them.
It better to go divorce! A company like evolve making VS video against a beta exway flex lol. With childish reaction? This company is a joke, nothing good to be with them from now.
@@acidkhmer and Exway sells boards with smaller batteries as advertised and without noticing their clients, a big "no go" if you ask me , aside from the 3 to 4 months delivery times...every company has isseus, for us to choose which one is a dealbreaker and not. The comparison of Evolve with the demo board was indeed a big mistake but not a drama.
holy shit finally some one noticed i have snapped 4 bamboo decks and freid 4 gtr esc's and bent like 5 pairs of trucks the battery has the worst 18650 cell and always never really gave me the range i wanted even the gtr was over priced the gt's should have been gtrs i just finally went diy buy dear god evolve wtf are you doing edit: i fried 3 gtr batterys bms was done and 650 was very overpriced
What about a 1 day blowout of all the boards on the market summer 2021? Get all of the boards you can and rip around on each for 5-10 min and give 1st impressions, classify them, and talk about the trade offs above and below $ range. That keeps you from spending days on a bunch of similar kit.
I’m on the market now here in Canada for a new Board. I’ve had the meepo so I’m experienced. The bamboo gtr is 1400 Canadian dollars. What’s your thoughts on just the normal gtr in 2022. For that price I feel like it might be the best quality board and best specs. Let me know what you guys think.
Living in Australia and WAS about to purchase a Hadean, but won’t support unethical business. Thanks for the video guys… sorry you had such a crappy experience
I have been a long time fan of the channel. Love you guy for keeping it real. The haden is way to much money for really nothing new 🤷🏼♂️ I think that is going to be next brand to go under. I hope the M5 smokes that board. Cheers guys can't wait to see what you guys come out with. Most board are getting to a point we're it is going to cheaper and better to build your own. Be easy guys
Hey guys. It's a pity. I got my GTR because of your great videos. I hope things can get better between you and Evolve. Best of luck with your content and your board. You are the best eskater duo on youtube.
you are not the only one who had this problem with evolve , when it comes to respect and customers ... i m the guy who have shitloads of information about their customers and it sad to see that they going down and cant handle this most important think in their business
I own a Onsra,beast board,verral rs and a Gtr. I’ve heard a lot of bad things about Gtr but I’ve never had any problems yet. The other 3 board can beat gtr only in a straight line , but when I go riding with my 3 boys and I’m on a the Gtr though winding bike tracks for 20km they can never keep up with me. Why because Gtr has awesome braking when you get good at it and really quick take off and it carve corners like nothing . 40k-50k is fast enough on winding tracks and way more fun then just going straight all the time. Even my boys prefer Gtr because of the carving, hard braking and quick acceleration .
You can buy an old bajaboard s2-900 model for 3200. I bought the new Atrax. Once you guys ride bajaboard, you will never go back to other boards. Goes 37mph+. The Enduro model goes 60 miles on a single charge. I have a gtr but I will still keep it cause it is super carvy and I use it as a backup when out and about on tripa
Well you can't say the estate world isn't dramatic.... Haha 😂 can't wait to see the Lacroix videos been wondering when those would be coming! Also try your best to stay unbiased a little sad to see you guys get in the game but your board looks decent and we need more reasonably priced decent boards!
3300 is way too much. 1300 extra for an maximum extra 15km range and another 2kph on the 107 gtr set up. Its at the point where ill keep my gtr for street wheels and pay double the hayden for a lacroix lonestar supersport. 55mph top speed and up to 160km range. also took a leaf from bioboards and running gears instead of belts. In this game MORE IS MORE. keep up the vids boys. I got the stoke originally and traded up to the gtr all from your feed back. I literally bought my board from the gold coast showroom because of yous. Thanks guys for the unbiased opinions👍🏾
Socal Legends is a really nice guy who works with evolve. He understands that electric skateboards is more of a community and it doesn't matter which board you really ride as long as you ride. Though his evolve boards are pretty sick just IMO.
How do you sell a board for megabucks with trucks that break ? It's not hard to make trucks that don't break . Independent , thunder , venture , gullwing etc have been making trucks that rarely break for normal street skating for decades. Normal street skating would be much higher impact than e-skating .
A few things lads. 1 - It's a real shame to hear they've screwed you and many others over. Good guys finish last. :/ That company sweats arrogance. Don't get me started on that twerp Matty. 2 - I thought you weren't doing reviews since you started unknown boards? 3 - Rather than a 'specs versus reality' compare two boards of the same spec. One from a reliable company, and one from a ... creative company 4 - With regards to the price difference between the M5 and the Hadean (PMSL that you pronounce it wrong like it's a twist of the knife to 'they who won't be named'...) In Australia, the M5 costs $2768 ex delivery, and the Hadean is $2999. So in this market, not so different at all.
We’ll continue to make vs videos eg: Stoke vs Challenger. Single board reviews won’t really be a thing for us. We might make a first impressions video here and there. If we get enough requests for a video. We’re happy to make it happen. Comments of pricing on the M5 is based on UK pricing as that’s where we live and sell. AUS always tricky because of the currency conversion. Evolve boards are much cheaper in AUS vs buying the UK, so the opposite can be expected with a UK boards pricing being converted to AUD vs GBP. Hope that help m8
@@averageeskatereviews Oh I fully understand the GBP comparison and the inverse economics of both. Just remember you have a global audience. I'm sure you have plenty of Aussies tuning in! I'm still getting an M5 in spring, after I dumped the BGTR a couple of months ago. Always great to see you guys call it how it is!
I'm from Australia and was a huge supporter of Evolve not only for Eskate but for being an Australian company succeeding in something other than the normal. After watching your video and seeing how disappointing the new boards specs I'm so dissapointed in their ethics and just pure greed. The Hadeon should be the same price as the current GTR models and they should have had a price drop. Even then I'm not convinced. Good video guys and keep up the good work!
Just subscribed. Great vid guys. I started off on a Bamboo GTR and outgrew it as well. Still fun for local cruises to the shops but yeah moved onto better things. Pass them off. Easy to assume that Evolve has biased their vids. You dont want them to be able to say the same thing.
The only good thing I can say about evolve is their packaging, AT wheels, and having a phone number that works. I used their phone line to get refund though lol. That company straight up scammed me and I am glad I got my bank involved.
I don´t think Evolve hates you, I do not think they care about you. I am sure your board performs great but looks like DIY parts and comparing it to the Hadean will be difficult. Just the design and the enclosure of your board looks very cheap and simple.
i would say that the enclosure and stuff is an easy fix and this is they're first version of the board, i would much rather buy the "diy" m5 than the expensive hadean
@@Magpie1701 true! I recently bought the gtr a month ago, used it for two weeks and sold it for the same price.. i was actually kind of dissapointed of the torque/top speed, so i bought a second hand fluxmotion board and its insane, £100 more than i paid for the gtr!😂
Hey gents. I'm about to purchase my first skateboard and i think I'm going to purchase an Onsra 2 AT belt drive. I live in Canberra, Australia but don't have any retailers near me as i will be purchasing from Melbourne (800km) . I'm about concerned that if i have issues with the board I'll have to send it Away. How have you guys found Onsra reliability and customer service. Cheers
Evolve has changed. In the beginning it was about the ride and the carve. Now they've grown as a company and it's all about the money. I'm lucky enough to live in Australia where Evolve's prices are the cheapest in the world but I notice things like accessories and shipping going up in price for no apparent reason other than to make more money. And then there's money grabs like limited edition hubs.
Just about to get me a board - my first....i was looking at an evolve amongst other things but i do read more and more about their attiude sucking a bit.....and at the same time found your channel and, you make a board....just waiting for payday...visited your site...a question - do you take paypal? or are you planning to?
The fact that people are still buying Evoles using your links still shows that your reviews are steering them towards Evolves even after they have seen all your other reviews of other boards (including your own)... sounds pretty average from Evolves part.
It's so tuff watching this while having built a monster DIY esk8!! I have brands that deserve there shout outs but damn it feels good not being a part of evolve or boosted.. Even backfire but I have always been a lone wolf always will.. Every board he has had a problem mine not 1 I had a grub screw back out that's it!!! Brand free is the way to be free kids pay attention..
In Aust I can get an AT bamboo Hadean for $AU3,000. An M5 converted from GBP is over $AU2,700 before shipping. A MetroboardX was going to be just under $4,000. I think I will get a Hadean as an upgrade to my GTR since I live in a hilly area and need the power. I don’t care about the top speed. My experience with Evolve customer service has been great, and parts have always been available and ship quickly. I’ve only had one issue with the board that was quickly fixed. The Evolve boards seem to be priced a lot higher overseas than here.
I have always hated evolve and I am not gonna lie every time you guys were talk about Them I would get annoyed now I just want you guys to delete all of your videos so that they can stop receiving the benefits from it Because people like you with your amazing videos in and just overall good quality podcasts they are going to be reaping the benefits of yur hard work for years to come
Just curious, do you guy still plan on a Trampa review, or has that idea pretty much gone out the window? Was interested in a Trampa and wanted to hear your guys thoughts on the actual board (Bad customer service aside.)
Trampa has top notch customer service, they reply to emails within minutes to hours, if something fails they will hook you up right away. Their stuff is top quality, their VESCs have no comparison.
@@esk8spirit362 I have heard some good things and some bad things about their customer service (don't have any experience myself with them) but these guys did a podcast talking about how bad their experience was and it made them not want to try the board out, I'm just curious if they still plan on forgoing a trampa review or if we got one on the horizon
@@goodoldhernandez9943 I saw the video, but that was more someone from Trampa being a annoying smartass, their support is always great. I have exchnaged many and many emails with them and never have I been let down. If anyone has a problem, they are there to help, literally always. They honor warranty and If something is wrong with your stuff they will exchange it or fix it for you. They will even have your board shipped back to them free of charge.
I think it’s clear that Evolve use their ambassador program as an advertising channel rather than something to build relationships with the community… unless you say what they want you to say… you aren’t of any use to them anymore. When you get a Hadean though I’d love to see the “PREMIUM POWER” Vs the Exway Atlas “China Board”
The Hadean will beat the Atlas and any other similar board easily and if Evolve did not create their boards in the first place there would not be and Exway Atlas nor an Onsra board. Onsra has a handfull people answering emails Evolve has plants for assembly and service all over the world.
@@paraweeeriksson6296 when you say similar… you mean boards at almost $3k? Because the exway and onsra boards are 1k cheaper so I’d hope it would beat them (at least at something)
I previously had the stoke and then got the flex, I sold the stoke as overall preferred the flex which was £300 cheaper, I've done 900 miles on the flex with no issues at all! although I have slightly outgrown it now, but it is still an awesome board for the price point... looking for my next purchase. Will you guys be reviewing the atlas? The 2WD is around $1500.. do you not think this is good value for money?
Spec-wise, the Evolve Hadeon was the board of choice for me… until I dug deeper into the issues like those presented here. I wish the boards didn’t have rampant disconnecting issues, and that the company wasn’t so shady to you two. I’ll have to keep shopping around.
I don’t know guys.. you are clearly ripping off the Evolve brand.. even down to the website.. looks really un-original. Why not try your own designs instead of copying? I’d be ticked as well!
I noticed with there selling of the new board, half of the video was the ruddy controller. I wish they thought of this when they made the gtx and the gtr. Good job this new deck is well overpriced, trampa and baja will have more custom and that will lower their costs and will make it more inviting for us guys on a budget. You can purchase a trampa and baja for less than the hayden and have change for a weekend away and that's the truth.. P.s. If I always take your word with everything you say, then other's must too.
It’s sad that “E” has chosen to practice poor business ethics with you who have gotten them so much sales. I’m with you! Much success to your board. Keep being honest. It’s extremely valuable to people. Thanks 🙏🏼
Well this comment dident age well.
M5 vs Hadean we want to see that in action 👍
It's called 'Unknown Boards' go check it out it won't rape ur wallet
Sur le M5 will be better, evolve esc are know to be junk, the only eskate who can make you fly when braking!
And the 2 triggers remote is stupid, why use two fingers when only one is needed.
@@jackcaubat9168 It's $300 less than the Hadean. erm.. It's built way nicer. Has lights. Has app tunability. It's a 'faaaaar' better known brand for 'resale.' You have no idea what you're talking about.
34:20 Send me a board 😄
Guys you should definitely hit up Lee Wright for that comparison vid, dude’s genuinely the best of this community.
Yea agree. Lee would would do it justice
Evolve lost their directions of "leading the market".
At the days, their boards were unique and gave us no option.
But now?
There are so many other options and evolve is still there while all the other competitors are catched up already and probably passed them...
Please evolve...
Dont be the second boosted board and if you cant lead anymore...atleast lower the price.
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Hello from 2024 there the apple of eskate still You can get them or you can go elsewhere and pretty much get the same ride If not better.for hundreds of dollars or less like phones
I agree with you guys 100%. I expected so much more innovation from the Hadean and the price point is uncomfortable. I enjoyed this discussion guy's 🤟 keep up the good work.
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Hadean is now a clone of the atlas exway 😂
Evolve hates market transparency.
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I completely agree that you articulated the features and performance of the Evolve Bamboo and Carbon GTR Boards better than Evolve did, and better than any other channel. Thanks to you, the dilemma was solved and I bought the Bamboo GTR first. Then, also a credit to you, I bought the Carbon GTR a year later. Since I bought from Evolve Asia, there was no way to credit you with the referral, but both my GTR boards are a credit to you. Thanks for all your hard work!
Big thank you for the kind comment
These guys have literally said Evolve GTR is the best board made, put together a DIY with cheap trucks and think they are better?
The m5 is only $100 aud cheaper than the base bamboo hadean, which makes it alot harder to justify buying your board because it's very similar spec, has a basic remote, no built in break lights, and any problems I may have are alot harder to deal with because you are overseas.
That being said if you are in the UK and are looking for a new board, at this stage it seems stupid to even think about buying the hadean over the m5
Guys, completely love your channel, however not sure your view on the Evolve situation is completely fair. So Evolve should of called you….did you ever call them to make them aware you were associated/involved in setting up a rival company with a website modelled directly on theirs…. Always 3 sides to a story, yours, theirs and somewhere in the middle is the truth.
And with the whole payment thing, looks like Matty told them it usually goes through Friday but he'll try get it paid early and they release this on a Thursday...
It’s just a gathering of parts made in China being sold by manufacturers. It doesn’t take a genius to do that. My first go board is a custom mountain board and the top speed is 65 and the range is 60-80 km. All top speck parts all for $1600 pounds.
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I was their DC ambassador, they def stabbed me in the back, so many snakes in the company. I’m on your team
What happened?
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Evolve's front face : Pretending Kind customer service.
Real face : feeding fanboys and very rude, aggressive to earnest reviews, comments of their boards.
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I hope Unknownboards does well and grows so that they can start producing their own bespoke components, like decks or even trucks.
And it will bring the prices down
Guys, sorry but you aren’t 100% right. Don’t forget that this is their business and if you want to be in the same business you will be competitors.
Yeah these lads are a bit clueless. Evolve have been making boards for 13 years and these lads have had a youtube channel for 2 or 3 years and think Evolve owe them something. Now they even sell a board that is a competitor to Evolve. These lads should be thanking Evolve as its the Evolve branding that has been getting these lads views.
Make a Hadean Bamboo vs carbon standalone review. Then send it off to another reviewer for Hadean bamboo vs M5 to avoid bias on the comparison.
Awww they (EVOLVE💩) got all agro😬😖😝
Moreover your real life solution is accurate & kills the petty-ness growing at a high rate due to the truth given by Ricky & Chris's review...made by a real guys that have made a great board...yeah hope you's make stupid money.
Thanks!
I live in Australia and I also bought a Evolve GTR Carbon less than 2 months ago based primarily off your reviews. I Even bought new bushings and spare parts for it a few weeks ago based off your video reviews as they were the most in depth and explained everything perfectly.
I was a bit upset that the new boards are now coming out so soon after buying the GTR and I was going to upgrade to the Hadeon because i feel the gtr is no where near as fast as i was expecting (doesnt help that im around the 100kg mark), but after this video. I think unforunately as much as I would love to get the hadeon board, i might need to look at something else as im not a fan of how it seems they have treated you guys. It almost seems like Evolve's Ego is getting way to big and starting to step all over the little guys that helped build their brand.
I do love supporting Australian companies though after watching this video, I think i'll be looking at other options. Does the M5 ship to Australia? =)
keep up the great videos guys.
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25:10 you we're talking about boards that evolve sent that we're out fucked, I bought my stoke online and received a broken remote straight out of the box, it had scratches on it, looked like it had been used, and dropped, did a trigger rest 3 times and the accelerator was stuck on and I almost sent my board flying into oncoming traffic. On day 1. And I live in Brisbane Australia. Less than 2 hours away from their headquarters in the gold coast. How does this happen?
There’s a lot of people in the esk8 community that don’t like you inc myself but it is what it is, I’m not an evolve fan boy but they’ve come out with a great product, refined, light weight, looks like it’s been thought out and everything is not borrowed from another company, price could be better but it’s still decent
Parts are general DIY with the generic cast trucks which Ricky criticized about the Onsra ones, are you this gullible?
Most esk8 manufacturers use generic parts, I build my own boards so gullible has nothing to do with it, I think it’s a great board end off, if you think it’s too much no one is being forced to buy it
Those who are surprised over their attitude clearly haven’t seen their “China-board” hit piece video, where they essentially went after exway. However, I do have to give it to evolve with their LEDs. I really wish more boards had brake lights built into them. It’s partially why I really want the exway wave. Plus I just like LEDs and “bling” on E boards in general. Would never pay $3000+ for that though.
That was a part of what initially had me on the fence when looking for my first board. I was stuck trying to decide between the metroboard x and the evolve carbon gtr. Metroboard x was slightly faster, had an easier system in place for changing the tires for tensioning the belt and had the led lights controlled from the remote, but what won me over in the end is I was looking primarily for something to commute with, and the difference of being a few kg heavier compared to the GTR meant I ended up going with that.
Honestly, their new board looks fucking sick. The reason I won't get it is because I had a bad experience on a gtr with an esc melting and the board chucked me. I think they don't use high enough quality components to justify the price. I really like how they redesigned the remote to be super tough, that's a huge thing. I'm gunna miss that evolve remote....not when braking at speed mind you, braking above 30k on the evolve remote is sketchy, but the speedometer and percentage battery reader are awesome. The form factor of the board is also excellent.
All in all they have nice boards, but it's true, they are overpriced. would rather spend more and get true quality.
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I had that exact experience too. The replacement ESC has been fine for 8 months now touch wood. QC or the quality of the parts period seems to be a problem alright. If nothing else I hope at least their new board is safe with regards to the components
That's what I've been talking about. 3000.00 US dollars for a board that is only 4mph faster and goes 4 miles farther on AT wheels. I'll keep my GTR.
2 mph faster on AT. GTR hits 24, H - 26.
Need another episode for the evolve patent fiasco.
Ohhhhh it’s coming….
@@averageeskatereviews 😎
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Evolve just put my money in Onsra Black carve 2 and Exways pockets with this hopefully they sort out their prices before they become irrelevant
Mr. Smith you've got attention...now expand on your experiences with EXWAY & ONSRA in a meaningful spec.
Thanks!
Evolve has fanboys they are like apple fanboys no matter how far back their tech is people will still buy it.
Same - I’ll be looking at an Onsra now rather than a Hadean.
I want the board business to follow through on vehicles for life and I want more fabi in the podcast. Maybe a little selfish but I fucking love you guys your honesty and you open door view.
Can you guys include Kaly NYC boards into the mix?
Looked at a few other boards but still decided to go with the hadean: quality, service, design, looks… I didn’t really care whether other boards did a few percent more speed or less weight because the overall evolve package is really top notch
Same dude. Same.
I researched for months almost every e board out there and went with the bamboo hadean, Im a previous longboard rider and loved the flex and carve of my longboard. I’m just getting into e skating and wanted a board that’s fun to ride and most important a nice remote and in my opinion, evolve has the nicest remote out there, the board also charges super fast. I’m a DIY kind of person, im deff going to change out the grip tape and convert to a gear drive system and get aftermarket wheels, I might even change the trucks out to TKP trucks. I honestly just love the deck and remote, the flex and range.
Bought the m5 back in March and I thought I had a great rapport with Chris+ Ricky. Several delivery dates came and went but NO PROBLEM, I really believe in what they are trying to do. I've dropped 4 emails recently no hassling just trying to find out delivery date. No replies totally ghosted. I'm worried now, has anyone heard if they've gone out of business?
I’m having the same problem. I’ve bought the pre production board over a month ago now….I was told it would be sent out in a few days after having a once over. Many emails later and many excuses I’m still waiting.
@@timmynastics did it work itself out?
@@DrPhil-kx3ci I’ve got the board luckily, I know many people haven’t… my deck however has started to crack
@@timmynastics I’m thinking about ordering one. Is it worth it?
@@DrPhil-kx3ci they don’t exist anymore, you can’t order
That M5 looks freaking sweet. That $2,000 price tag stings though.
Have you seen the price of the hadean?🤣🤣🤣
Oh yeahhhh.
Keep doing comparisons. Love your reviews guys.
I am waiting for the Hadean vs your board. Or hadean carbon vs hadean bamboo.
I have nothing bad to say about Evolve.
Hadean are pretty but expensive.
I wish you guys could just sort things out with Evolve and you can still have a good relationship.
Post them both to me in New Zealand, I’ll go on a road trip, test them both , give the best fair review , beach riding , hill climbing.
So will you take down the videos that you did previously on Evolve where you were talking good stuff about them?
Daniel Kwan, a reviewer, also thinks Evolve is overpriced. I think as more reviewers get more exposure to different boards, Evolve doesn't seem to have the competitive advantage to warrant the price
Chris, it’s creating confusion when you state the M5 is Rickys, then you go on for the rest of the video comparing Evolve to “our” board.
I caught that too
you guys are the only reason I bought an evolve board. It's a shame about their attitude.
Respect
Same for me. I initially liked the look of the GTR but it was your guy’s thorough and informative content that persuaded me to buy it. I love my Carbon and Bamboo GTRs but I’m really disappointed about the deterioration of your working relationship with Evolve.
Same here ! I bought a GTR one from your videos ! Had it a 5/6 months and sold it due to the lack of top end and growing out of it almost got a bit boring riding solo .
Australian pricing M5 and hadean almost same pricing.
The enclosure of the M5 looks terrible and neither the enclosure nor the battery pack flexes so good luck!
I'm Australian and want to desperately support Evolve but the more I learn about this company, the more I distance myself from them. Dodgey remote disconnects, uncalled for and misleading comparison video with competing eskate brand, overpriced products and now finding out about how disrespectful they treat their loyal affiliates.
It's a shame. Evolve going the way of Boosted. Sucks but not too much since Evolve are manufactured in China (would've been worse if it affected Australian manufacturing).
P.S. I just subscribed. Ricky needs to stop interrupting Chris (lol, half joking)
I live next door of evolve headquarter and I ride gtr but I got exactly same thought of yours.
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Have a Boosted Stealth (beside Onsra and GTR), and I still enjoy riding it, cause it is so different from the others.
Single Kingpin, so flexy, stylisch, feels more like normal Longboard crusing.
Looking to swap the motors on the GTR. So it might be faster than the Hadean :3
You guys should do a comparison of the Exway Atlas 2WD and the Evolve Hadean Carbon
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You guys are no longer ambassadors, so why you thought you will sit on two chairs? Maybe Evolve had to contact you before cancelling the account, but you had been able to do it the same way. This is a good lesson for Evolve to not deal with the guys who don't know what is business is about and NDA agreement.
Their “new” board hasn’t changed much, construction looks cheaper than the GTR, it just has a bit more power.
I spent a long time deciding on which electric skateboard ro purchase for my first ever.
Your videos were instrumental on my decision to purchase a bamboo gtr.
I must say I am disappointed with Evolve I have contacted them for advice and they have not replied.
So much for fantastic customer service.
I personally will now never buy from them again.
If only your unknown boards were available when I pulled the trigger 😑
Love the content but I think the channel needs a name change. If they’re talking about how the M5 is better than the Hadean because you can muck about with the VESC settings then you no longer represent the “average” eskater. As an “average” eskater I like the idea of having a simple app which I can tweak but won’t result in me tearing my trucks apart like Ricky did with his first custom board!
Guys move on talking shit does not make it better …stay positive and be bigger just take down the videos you know are helping to sell their boards….
Review the evolve board yourself. Then pass it off for another review also.
You can get an ecomobl m24 with 4 motors and full suspension for the same price as evolves new line up of boards and that goes 35mph so just mind blowing
To be honest, it feels like you guys rushed into becoming evolve enemies. Yes they didn't, or are not handling your interactions perfectly. However it " feels " like it's worth keeping a relationship with such a big company alive. You already have experience / connections with them and It doesn't sound like people at the company are trying to do you harm, except maybe the math error on what is owed for affiliate links from the past. That would be acouple peoples fault at most i asume. Just a bit more patience, what if they're still planning on doing everything you ask but are still working on it.
Please consider staying allies with evolve ! I asume you wont regret it in the long run and it can only benefit you to stay connected with them.
It better to go divorce!
A company like evolve making VS video against a beta exway flex lol.
With childish reaction?
This company is a joke, nothing good to be with them from now.
@@acidkhmer and Exway sells boards with smaller batteries as advertised and without noticing their clients, a big "no go" if you ask me , aside from the 3 to 4 months delivery times...every company has isseus, for us to choose which one is a dealbreaker and not. The comparison of Evolve with the demo board was indeed a big mistake but not a drama.
Do you guys prefer a stiffer board or a more flexible board for an all terrain and on the street?
holy shit finally some one noticed i have snapped 4 bamboo decks and freid 4 gtr esc's and bent like 5 pairs of trucks the battery has the worst 18650 cell and always never really gave me the range i wanted even the gtr was over priced the gt's should have been gtrs i just finally went diy buy dear god evolve wtf are you doing edit: i fried 3 gtr batterys bms was done and 650 was very overpriced
sorry to hear about your issues w Evolve. I have the carbon GTR because of the reviews you guys put out.
I have the carbon GTR based on similar reviews and it has been a joy to ride and maintain. More than happy with my purchase.
Boyyy hitting us with 2 in a single day! 🔥 that’s my night sorted then 🤣
Yessssirrr
DIY parts with generic cheap trucks and think they are better than Evolve, Mr AS you have lost some much credibility.
Did you get your m5 while you were Evolve ambassador? That would be a good reason for Evolve to be upset.
What about a 1 day blowout of all the boards on the market summer 2021? Get all of the boards you can and rip around on each for 5-10 min and give 1st impressions, classify them, and talk about the trade offs above and below $ range. That keeps you from spending days on a bunch of similar kit.
I’m on the market now here in Canada for a new Board. I’ve had the meepo so I’m experienced. The bamboo gtr is 1400 Canadian dollars. What’s your thoughts on just the normal gtr in 2022. For that price I feel like it might be the best quality board and best specs. Let me know what you guys think.
Living in Australia and WAS about to purchase a Hadean, but won’t support unethical business. Thanks for the video guys… sorry you had such a crappy experience
Not a fan of the Evolve GTR. I bought one and the remote crapped out and it’s power is not on par with the Wowgo AT2
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I have been a long time fan of the channel. Love you guy for keeping it real. The haden is way to much money for really nothing new 🤷🏼♂️ I think that is going to be next brand to go under. I hope the M5 smokes that board. Cheers guys can't wait to see what you guys come out with. Most board are getting to a point we're it is going to cheaper and better to build your own. Be easy guys
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Hey guys. It's a pity. I got my GTR because of your great videos. I hope things can get better between you and Evolve.
Best of luck with your content and your board. You are the best eskater duo on youtube.
you are not the only one who had this problem with evolve , when it comes to respect and customers ... i m the guy who have shitloads of information about their customers and it sad to see that they going down and cant handle this most important think in their business
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Anyone here from Jon Dretto’s channel..? I think he made a playlist by mistake
I own a Onsra,beast board,verral rs and a Gtr. I’ve heard a lot of bad things about Gtr but I’ve never had any problems yet. The other 3 board can beat gtr only in a straight line , but when I go riding with my 3 boys and I’m on a the Gtr though winding bike tracks for 20km they can never keep up with me. Why because Gtr has awesome braking when you get good at it and really quick take off and it carve corners like nothing . 40k-50k is fast enough on winding tracks and way more fun then just going straight all the time. Even my boys prefer Gtr because of the carving, hard braking and quick acceleration .
Damn bro I bought the bamboo gtr bc of u. I'd got yalls board after watching this.
No you didn't.
Can I get a quick thought on the exway atlas 2wd. It's 984 dollars now so about 830 pound. Worth it?
You can buy an old bajaboard s2-900 model for 3200. I bought the new Atrax. Once you guys ride bajaboard, you will never go back to other boards. Goes 37mph+. The Enduro model goes 60 miles on a single charge. I have a gtr but I will still keep it cause it is super carvy and I use it as a backup when out and about on tripa
Well you can't say the estate world isn't dramatic.... Haha 😂 can't wait to see the Lacroix videos been wondering when those would be coming! Also try your best to stay unbiased a little sad to see you guys get in the game but your board looks decent and we need more reasonably priced decent boards!
3300 is way too much. 1300 extra for an maximum extra 15km range and another 2kph on the 107 gtr set up. Its at the point where ill keep my gtr for street wheels and pay double the hayden for a lacroix lonestar supersport. 55mph top speed and up to 160km range. also took a leaf from bioboards and running gears instead of belts. In this game MORE IS MORE. keep up the vids boys. I got the stoke originally and traded up to the gtr all from your feed back. I literally bought my board from the gold coast showroom because of yous. Thanks guys for the unbiased opinions👍🏾
Socal Legends is a really nice guy who works with evolve. He understands that electric skateboards is more of a community and it doesn't matter which board you really ride as long as you ride. Though his evolve boards are pretty sick just IMO.
How do you sell a board for megabucks with trucks that break ?
It's not hard to make trucks that don't break . Independent , thunder , venture , gullwing etc have been making trucks that rarely break for normal street skating for decades.
Normal street skating would be much higher impact than e-skating .
A few things lads.
1 - It's a real shame to hear they've screwed you and many others over. Good guys finish last. :/ That company sweats arrogance. Don't get me started on that twerp Matty.
2 - I thought you weren't doing reviews since you started unknown boards?
3 - Rather than a 'specs versus reality' compare two boards of the same spec. One from a reliable company, and one from a ... creative company
4 - With regards to the price difference between the M5 and the Hadean (PMSL that you pronounce it wrong like it's a twist of the knife to 'they who won't be named'...) In Australia, the M5 costs $2768 ex delivery, and the Hadean is $2999. So in this market, not so different at all.
We’ll continue to make vs videos eg: Stoke vs Challenger. Single board reviews won’t really be a thing for us. We might make a first impressions video here and there. If we get enough requests for a video. We’re happy to make it happen.
Comments of pricing on the M5 is based on UK pricing as that’s where we live and sell. AUS always tricky because of the currency conversion. Evolve boards are much cheaper in AUS vs buying the UK, so the opposite can be expected with a UK boards pricing being converted to AUD vs GBP. Hope that help m8
@@averageeskatereviews Oh I fully understand the GBP comparison and the inverse economics of both. Just remember you have a global audience. I'm sure you have plenty of Aussies tuning in! I'm still getting an M5 in spring, after I dumped the BGTR a couple of months ago. Always great to see you guys call it how it is!
I'm from Australia and was a huge supporter of Evolve not only for Eskate but for being an Australian company succeeding in something other than the normal. After watching your video and seeing how disappointing the new boards specs I'm so dissapointed in their ethics and just pure greed. The Hadeon should be the same price as the current GTR models and they should have had a price drop. Even then I'm not convinced. Good video guys and keep up the good work!
Just subscribed. Great vid guys. I started off on a Bamboo GTR and outgrew it as well. Still fun for local cruises to the shops but yeah moved onto better things.
Pass them off. Easy to assume that Evolve has biased their vids. You dont want them to be able to say the same thing.
The only good thing I can say about evolve is their packaging, AT wheels, and having a phone number that works. I used their phone line to get refund though lol. That company straight up scammed me and I am glad I got my bank involved.
What happened bro?
How did they scam you?
I don´t think Evolve hates you, I do not think they care about you. I am sure your board performs great but looks like DIY parts and comparing it to the Hadean will be difficult. Just the design and the enclosure of your board looks very cheap and simple.
i would say that the enclosure and stuff is an easy fix and this is they're first version of the board, i would much rather buy the "diy" m5 than the expensive hadean
Who cares? Specs > Aesthetics.
@@Magpie1701 true! I recently bought the gtr a month ago, used it for two weeks and sold it for the same price.. i was actually kind of dissapointed of the torque/top speed, so i bought a second hand fluxmotion board and its insane, £100 more than i paid for the gtr!😂
I totally agree the price is too high, its a sleek looking board but the specs and performance doesn't justify the amount they are asking for.
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Where did these guys go?
go black carve 2. not flux.. flux is nice but very big and not better range and AT only. cant utilize street on a flux
Would love to see a video about the best boards in every price range and more specifically what board should I buy instead of an evolve GTR , cheers
Hey gents. I'm about to purchase my first skateboard and i think I'm going to purchase an Onsra 2 AT belt drive. I live in Canberra, Australia but don't have any retailers near me as i will be purchasing from Melbourne (800km) . I'm about concerned that if i have issues with the board I'll have to send it Away. How have you guys found Onsra reliability and customer service. Cheers
Evolve has changed. In the beginning it was about the ride and the carve. Now they've grown as a company and it's all about the money. I'm lucky enough to live in Australia where Evolve's prices are the cheapest in the world but I notice things like accessories and shipping going up in price for no apparent reason other than to make more money. And then there's money grabs like limited edition hubs.
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Just about to get me a board - my first....i was looking at an evolve amongst other things but i do read more and more about their attiude sucking a bit.....and at the same time found your channel and, you make a board....just waiting for payday...visited your site...a question - do you take paypal? or are you planning to?
26:45 lmao they have the same mindset of Apple with their tech
The fact that people are still buying Evoles using your links still shows that your reviews are steering them towards Evolves even after they have seen all your other reviews of other boards (including your own)... sounds pretty average from Evolves part.
It's so tuff watching this while having built a monster DIY esk8!! I have brands that deserve there shout outs but damn it feels good not being a part of evolve or boosted.. Even backfire but I have always been a lone wolf always will.. Every board he has had a problem mine not 1 I had a grub screw back out that's it!!! Brand free is the way to be free kids pay attention..
the old remotes when u would drop them they would break or say to recalibrate them also do u think u will review the propel boards
In Aust I can get an AT bamboo Hadean for $AU3,000. An M5 converted from GBP is over $AU2,700 before shipping. A MetroboardX was going to be just under $4,000. I think I will get a Hadean as an upgrade to my GTR since I live in a hilly area and need the power. I don’t care about the top speed. My experience with Evolve customer service has been great, and parts have always been available and ship quickly. I’ve only had one issue with the board that was quickly fixed.
The Evolve boards seem to be priced a lot higher overseas than here.
I have always hated evolve and I am not gonna lie every time you guys were talk about Them I would get annoyed now I just want you guys to delete all of your videos so that they can stop receiving the benefits from it Because people like you with your amazing videos in and just overall good quality podcasts they are going to be reaping the benefits of yur hard work for years to come
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Just curious, do you guy still plan on a Trampa review, or has that idea pretty much gone out the window? Was interested in a Trampa and wanted to hear your guys thoughts on the actual board (Bad customer service aside.)
Trampa has top notch customer service, they reply to emails within minutes to hours, if something fails they will hook you up right away. Their stuff is top quality, their VESCs have no comparison.
@@esk8spirit362 I have heard some good things and some bad things about their customer service (don't have any experience myself with them) but these guys did a podcast talking about how bad their experience was and it made them not want to try the board out, I'm just curious if they still plan on forgoing a trampa review or if we got one on the horizon
@@goodoldhernandez9943 I saw the video, but that was more someone from Trampa being a annoying smartass, their support is always great. I have exchnaged many and many emails with them and never have I been let down. If anyone has a problem, they are there to help, literally always. They honor warranty and If something is wrong with your stuff they will exchange it or fix it for you. They will even have your board shipped back to them free of charge.
I think it’s clear that Evolve use their ambassador program as an advertising channel rather than something to build relationships with the community… unless you say what they want you to say… you aren’t of any use to them anymore. When you get a Hadean though I’d love to see the “PREMIUM POWER” Vs the Exway Atlas “China Board”
The Hadean will beat the Atlas and any other similar board easily and if Evolve did not create their boards in the first place there would not be and Exway Atlas nor an Onsra board. Onsra has a handfull people answering emails Evolve has plants for assembly and service all over the world.
@@paraweeeriksson6296 when you say similar… you mean boards at almost $3k? Because the exway and onsra boards are 1k cheaper so I’d hope it would beat them (at least at something)
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I previously had the stoke and then got the flex, I sold the stoke as overall preferred the flex which was £300 cheaper, I've done 900 miles on the flex with no issues at all! although I have slightly outgrown it now, but it is still an awesome board for the price point... looking for my next purchase.
Will you guys be reviewing the atlas? The 2WD is around $1500.. do you not think this is good value for money?
For me the flux looks way better actually. But I get they are potentially quite different boards.
Evolve remotes are death traps. They know that.
I'm most likely gonna purchase an unknown board. How about a discount code?
It’s already built into the price brother 👊
i need this board big time
Spec-wise, the Evolve Hadeon was the board of choice for me… until I dug deeper into the issues like those presented here. I wish the boards didn’t have rampant disconnecting issues, and that the company wasn’t so shady to you two. I’ll have to keep shopping around.
I emailed evolve asking them why your discount code wasn’t working. Lol
The Hadeon needs to be $1,500 if they want to really sell one
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Really ? The carbon version is already sold out in the states...
@@ElGuapoDeSantoPoco guess theres more and more kids with a rich daddy these days
got into eskate via evolve, I love my board, but everything you guys are talking about is totally their MO.
I don’t know guys.. you are clearly ripping off the Evolve brand.. even down to the website.. looks really un-original. Why not try your own designs instead of copying? I’d be ticked as well!
I noticed with there selling of the new board, half of the video was the ruddy controller. I wish they thought of this when they made the gtx and the gtr.
Good job this new deck is well overpriced, trampa and baja will have more custom and that will lower their costs and will make it more inviting for us guys on a budget.
You can purchase a trampa and baja for less than the hayden and have change for a weekend away and that's the truth..
P.s. If I always take your word with everything you say, then other's must too.
"the end of the day" i had to stop after the 10th "the end of the day" flash backs to working in an office >.>
The end of the day, you still stopped by the comments, to share a comment at the end of the day. 😉
@@averageeskatereviews been watching tons of your videos, been considering getting into this hobby. Get content! Thanks for all the info you put out.