This is the info I needed. You'd be amazed how hard it was to find someone who did this comparison. Straight Chain vs Jack Shaft. A ton of other channels advertise it but then jumped all around with other stuff and never actually did the comparison. Thank You! I'm all about the speed and try to avoid hills so I'm gonna try the straight chain method and see how it goes. Good Job.
Straight chain is good for speed and the jackshaft gives you a little more torque and speed but the torque unit will give you more speed and more climbing power
This guy has figured out how to go into the parallel universe. When he’s working on his bike, the chain sprockets on the other side and bolts are lefty tightly, righty loosey.
I used to carry extra master links. I think its best to just hard link the chain. No master link. Always carry a tool kit and maybe an extra chain. It will save you some heartache.
The master links I have are longer width-wise, than the chain. It's the right link for the chain though apparently. I have had interference problems with the link hitting the sprockets, or the frame, mostly fixed, but yeah, problems seem to come from the master link.
I carry the tools that fit everything on my mini bike and I carry and extra belt along with other parts I've gotten for it that I might need if I break down
I’ve busted a master link only when it wasn’t installed correctly! I’ve been thru 3 engines and countless builds, never busted or popped a link or chain. I always line up sprockets and clutches whole drive train needs to be right, tension especially! We race these things w smaller chains less weight= faster 35# plenty strong for pulling one! Even closer to 20hp there using #35 Also make sure all sprockets are for the chain your using. Biggest mess up I see a lot. Determining when your chain needs replacement ! Chain needs to hug your sprocket all the way around ! If you can move the chain more than a couple mm then you may wanna replace it! 20$-amazon fix the problem and worry! Just double check your sizes before buying!
Back in 68 I had a mini bike with a jack shaft there were two chains coming off the Moter clutch to the jack shaft there was another clutch on the jack shaft when the shaft turned fast enough that clutch kicked in changed the gear ratio made it a two speed
Solid video. The larger rear sprocket will give you more torque at a cost of top speed. I say the jack shaft is the way to go if you can change the gear ratios on it. Torque converter would be a nice addition as well. Excellent content!
If it's hilly and you have the jackshaft replace the jackshaft with a torque unit it will give you more top end for speed and more lower end for climbing power
Very cool. Def have top end speed with the straight chain. You’d blow the wheels off my Coleman. But I’d drive by you on the hills. I changed to a torque converter and found all the hill climbing power I could want. You could start halfway up your drive from a dead stop and it pull you to the top quick. Have to be carful or it’ll pull wheelies.
What we’re you getting with the strsight chain vs a TC I’m between both and mines stock rn. Just trying to get some good speed but also rip around some hills lol
On my Coleman RB 200 i just zip tied the governor spring, and put on 14 tooth front sprocket. Haven't clocked it for too speed yet, but that's all of the modifications i needed. It still goes up hills good and top speed is scary fast.
Do you have the jackshaft on it ??? Try replacing it with a torque unit you will be glad you did it gives more top speed and more bottom end for climbing
So the question is whats the most optimal method because I have had a used bike where the chain never feel off and I dought I did maintanance once! Chain tenshioner? Straight chain?
You damn sure better be a good mechanic ! Heck I consider myself good, and at about 45 I’m still alittle iffy on going faster! Mine is geared so I get bottom and top end alike 0-30 4 sec. And top end 45 (48-50 pushing it ) ! 👍😊
@@memosrtfacts just got a RT200 haven’t even done anything to it yet. Took it out in the gravel only going 22 and was surprised how 22 feels on a small bike. Makes for a great time more people should get into the hobby.
Hello Whit!!!! Got a quick question for you, what app do you prefer for your speed and time trials???? I'd like something that maybe could record the different speeds traveled over a period of time .
I plan on building a Coleman ct200...I will go with a 13 tooth jack shaft sprocket and a clutch on drive chain...a 1 to 6.3 ratio...2nd clutch will start to grab at 2600 rpms to 3000 rpms...nice torque take off...nice top end 60 mph...can rev engine to 2600 rpm without moving...
That's nothing ive got a 212cc predator motor removed the governor out of the motor add a torque unit and a performance muffler it's a monster it came up on me from take off the front tire was off the road
Torque unit performance muffler remove the governor out of the motor and watch the difference in your climbing power and speed youll be thanking me later trust me youll love it
Bro I’ve done lost my gas cap on my Coleman before to u fr gotta make sure it’s on all the way bc the gas caps on the Colemans leak all the time and they will come off if not on all the way
Yeah it's like it was filmed in a mirror world.ooks like sprockets are on the right side of the bike. And if you notice when he's loosening bolts he's turning them right tooosen them. Was blowing my mind too lol
Depends on how your running it if you want more speed and more climbing power add a torque unit the jackshaft is junk that's why I replaced mine with a torque unit I've got a 212cc predator motor it's quick
@@tinkeringwithwhit297 ok and also bro is there a way to make my clutch last longer with the straight chain 50 tooth? and also Is there some sort of upgraded clutch that’s designed for the straight chain so I don’t half to buy a new clutch every month? 🤔
When "bypassing" the governor u need to remove the governor completely, the gear is only plastic and running the engine at higher than normal rpms will blow the spur apart and ull have a mess inside ur engine. Dont be lazy remove it the proper way...
@@NubsWithGuns CONGRATULATIONS bud u get dickhead of the day this is a place to help people not be ignerant like u were in ur comment. How many of these engines have you raced mister know it all???
@@nollidelddik A zip tied governor on a Coleman with a torque converter and stock gearing will never reach the RPM needed to blow anything up. You don't need a zip tie to run less than 4K RPM.
Straight chain sucks you have no climbing power and the jackshaft is alright but if you really want more top speed and More torque you should put a torque unit on it remove the revlimiter out of the motor add a performance muffler and it should get up to 50 maybe 60 mph and try getting a predator 212cc motor you won't be disappointed
If you need power, like even driving across the yard, hilly areas or just more pull Keep the jack shaft just lower the rear sprocket 5 teeth = 15mph If your gonna stay on asphalt small inclines and just want Top End! Changing to a 14 or 15 t clutch -& a 54 - 60 tooth rear sprocket = 48-54 mph W stock 212 (w/out gov) jetted carb straight exhaust pipe !!! 😉. ✌️❤
On them you choose which you want, power and 40ish mph, or speed on flat roads lol But throw a Predator 212 stage 1 and 2 kits you can get power AND some more speed... Or the predator 224 with stage 1 and 2 and get even more power and speed 😁👍
i got a predator ghost installed on that frame and immediately out the box with out any mods it goes 51mph.i suggest removing that engine its trash and that hill will kill it eventually
@@tinkeringwithwhit297 yeah its mainly designed to go 18mph with a governor and cant take any real pressure.but that frame and tires are perfect for everything on and off road so with a predator ghost you will absolutely love it
The Ghost is just a cam and carb. Nothing special but is nice for those who don't want to build their own. And it's not that difficult to get Ghost 212 power out of a 196. There are 196's out there with much more power than the Ghost 212.
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This is the info I needed. You'd be amazed how hard it was to find someone who did this comparison. Straight Chain vs Jack Shaft. A ton of other channels advertise it but then jumped all around with other stuff and never actually did the comparison. Thank You! I'm all about the speed and try to avoid hills so I'm gonna try the straight chain method and see how it goes. Good Job.
Straight chain is good for speed and the jackshaft gives you a little more torque and speed but the torque unit will give you more speed and more climbing power
You won't like the straight chain and if you want speed add the torque unit and watch the difference
I have a Coleman ctu200 ex with a predator 212cc 6.50 hp motor with a torque unit and performance muffler and it tops out at 60 mph
Get a torque unit
This guy has figured out how to go into the parallel universe. When he’s working on his bike, the chain sprockets on the other side and bolts are lefty tightly, righty loosey.
How the heck.
Good ol mirrored videos
That is 180 on the go pro settings. "Mirror view"
@@JustinGray70Quit ruining it. The man is a reality bender.
@@JustinGray70 This seems.. Off.. I don't get it. Like it is all literally mirrored but it shouldnt work like that I think. Perplexing
Thanks for the vid made me get a hell of a lot better understanding then my friend explaining it over the phone.
Old saying, pushing up the hill don’t kill you It only make you stronger. 👍🇺🇸
But if you have to push it up the hill then that's just useless it's not gonna be good on trails if it's got no climbing power
I used to carry extra master links. I think its best to just hard link the chain. No master link. Always carry a tool kit and maybe an extra chain. It will save you some heartache.
The master links I have are longer width-wise, than the chain. It's the right link for the chain though apparently.
I have had interference problems with the link hitting the sprockets, or the frame, mostly fixed, but yeah, problems seem to come from the master link.
I carry the tools that fit everything on my mini bike and I carry and extra belt along with other parts I've gotten for it that I might need if I break down
I’ve busted a master link only when it wasn’t installed correctly!
I’ve been thru 3 engines and countless builds, never busted or popped a link or chain. I always line up sprockets and clutches whole drive train needs to be right, tension especially! We race these things w smaller chains less weight= faster
35# plenty strong for pulling one!
Even closer to 20hp there using #35
Also make sure all sprockets are for the chain your using. Biggest mess up I see a lot. Determining when your chain needs replacement ! Chain needs to hug your sprocket all the way around ! If you can move the chain more than a couple mm then you may wanna replace it!
20$-amazon fix the problem and worry! Just double check your sizes before buying!
If I saw a dude just walking around with maser links I’d literally ask him to work for me on the spot💀
Back in 68 I had a mini bike with a jack shaft there were two chains coming off the Moter clutch to the jack shaft there was another clutch on the jack shaft when the shaft turned fast enough that clutch kicked in changed the gear ratio made it a two speed
I've seen a similar mini bike on Cars and Cameras youtube
@@tinkeringwithwhit297 the trick piece is the primary jack shaft part number or first gear cause it free wheels once second kicks in
Solid video. The larger rear sprocket will give you more torque at a cost of top speed. I say the jack shaft is the way to go if you can change the gear ratios on it. Torque converter would be a nice addition as well. Excellent content!
That was great 👍
Exactly what I wanted to know .
I’ll leave it the way it is it’s hilly where I ride as well . Thanks 😎
If it's hilly and you have the jackshaft replace the jackshaft with a torque unit it will give you more top end for speed and more lower end for climbing power
Very cool. Def have top end speed with the straight chain. You’d blow the wheels off my Coleman. But I’d drive by you on the hills. I changed to a torque converter and found all the hill climbing power I could want. You could start halfway up your drive from a dead stop and it pull you to the top quick. Have to be carful or it’ll pull wheelies.
What we’re you getting with the strsight chain vs a TC I’m between both and mines stock rn. Just trying to get some good speed but also rip around some hills lol
On my Coleman RB 200 i just zip tied the governor spring, and put on 14 tooth front sprocket. Haven't clocked it for too speed yet, but that's all of the modifications i needed. It still goes up hills good and top speed is scary fast.
Yo I might do that. Did you ever have issues after. Flywheel blow on you or something😂
@@lotus6314 nope, no problems. I got probably a couple thousand kilometers on it now and still works great. I oil my clutch every few rides.
Good info. That’s scootin’! Thanks.
We’ve all been there. Sometimes if it can go wrong, it will.
I ride in the high desert with lots of climbing. Thank you now i know i better leave it alone
Do you have the jackshaft on it ??? Try replacing it with a torque unit you will be glad you did it gives more top speed and more bottom end for climbing
Awesome vid.
i miss my old minibike
Thanks bro
the dreaded push of shame home done this a time or 2
We've all done the 'walk of shame'.
Ugh lol just had todo “the walk of shame” twice in a row😂 stupid clutch chain won’t stay on😭
@@Back.yard.stunts we have all been there
Yeah my chain broke about 10pm one night and I was just under a mile from home. Didn't have my phone on me and had to walk it home.
So the question is whats the most optimal method because I have had a used bike where the chain never feel off and I dought I did maintanance once! Chain tenshioner? Straight chain?
I can’t imagine how terrifying but also exciting it is to do 53 mph on a mini bike lol
You damn sure better be a good mechanic !
Heck I consider myself good, and at about 45 I’m still alittle iffy on going faster! Mine is geared so I get bottom and top end alike
0-30 4 sec. And top end 45 (48-50 pushing it ) ! 👍😊
@@kylesyx8432 worlds okayest mechanic
Try 45mph on a gravel road! Scary.
@@memosrtfacts just got a RT200 haven’t even done anything to it yet. Took it out in the gravel only going 22 and was surprised how 22 feels on a small bike. Makes for a great time more people should get into the hobby.
Is it fine to have 3 master links holding the straight chain?
Hello Whit!!!! Got a quick question for you, what app do you prefer for your speed and time trials???? I'd like something that maybe could record the different speeds traveled over a period of time .
I've tried several for free, but the only one that seems to be the best for me is an app called GPS speedometer
@@tinkeringwithwhit297 thank you Whit!!!
that was great
Bought a 40 tooth 420 chain with a ct200 engine also with a 10 tooth clutch
I plan on building a Coleman ct200...I will go with a 13 tooth jack shaft sprocket and a clutch on drive chain...a 1 to 6.3 ratio...2nd clutch will start to grab at 2600 rpms to 3000 rpms...nice torque take off...nice top end 60 mph...can rev engine to 2600 rpm without moving...
Was gonna say just buy a predator and do that. But you know how to get it right at RPMs needed that’s all you bro 😂
THANKS
Good information
I lost 2 master links in 2 riding sessions and decided on having no master link to vibrate or b stretched apart
Did straight chain on both my bikes and bipasssed the governor. Bad boy was up to 53mph
I'm definitely not going back to the jackshaft set up, but I would like to give a torque converter a try
Sounds like you should replace the brake pads in the drum.
good shid man. u should paint the rims black like i did.
I'm 240lbs I have a Coleman with a predator 212 on it along with the torque unit
Whoa bruh . . 196 is a lotta power on a low sit mini. How do ya stop it from coming right up or out from underneath ya lol.n
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That's nothing ive got a 212cc predator motor removed the governor out of the motor add a torque unit and a performance muffler it's a monster it came up on me from take off the front tire was off the road
Go easier on the throttle when taking off
Yep, if you live in a hilly area and ride trails, you want torque more than you want speed.
A fast bike that can't climb hills is useless to me.
Torque unit performance muffler remove the governor out of the motor and watch the difference in your climbing power and speed youll be thanking me later trust me youll love it
Does the clutch as to be good because my clutch is no good and the tensioner is no good so am thinking to just straight chain it ?
Yeah you need a good clutch and you don't need the tensioner to go straight chain
Bro I’ve done lost my gas cap on my Coleman before to u fr gotta make sure it’s on all the way bc the gas caps on the Colemans leak all the time and they will come off if not on all the way
How do you have the chain on the right side of the bike? Is that the way the engine is orientated?
I filmed the video with my front camera on my phone so everything is mirrored
Any idea why my clutch is spewing fluid after the jackshaft delete?
The clutch is dry, sounds like you might have a bad crankshaft seal that's behind the clutch if it's spewing oil or fuid
I feel like straight chains are better for city rides
Been there and done that bro
How is the pull start on two different sides? Something funny going on with the footage and or mini bike.
The pull cord is on the right leg side both times, different camera angles
Yeah it's like it was filmed in a mirror world.ooks like sprockets are on the right side of the bike. And if you notice when he's loosening bolts he's turning them right tooosen them. Was blowing my mind too lol
@@jaimahja it was filmed on my phones front camera
@@tinkeringwithwhit297 that’s what’s up. I was trippin haha
@@jaimahja it got me too and I made the video, kmsl
Nice 👍🙂
Do you think a 72 link chain would work like reach
I'm not sure length wise, but the jackshaft chain and the rear chain together is enough
whenever i go for a ride theres always something missing when i come back haha
Do you recall how many links you used for the straight chain? What are the minimum links i want to order online?
I have 120 links with a rear 60 tooth sprocket
What’s a good size chain for the clutch method I have a realtree
Like how many links do I need for a 6 foot chain ??????!
I'm not sure for the real tree, mine took 120 links to do the straight chain
Depends on how your running it if you want more speed and more climbing power add a torque unit the jackshaft is junk that's why I replaced mine with a torque unit I've got a 212cc predator motor it's quick
Were you pushing it up that small incline.😮
Yeah that stock 196cc wasn't strong enough to pull 200 lbs on straight chain setup
53 mph add a torque unit and watch the difference it'll have more speed and more climbing power
Why do you have it idling so high?
I changed the jetting and hadn't adjusted the idle at the time of the video
What teeth you running front and rear?
10 in the front 60 in the rear
I can’t get the bolt off that’s on the clutch. Any help?
For mine I just tapped the end of my wrench or ratchet with a hammer and it knocked right off
Is it fine to have 2 master links for the straight chain?
It shouldn't be a problem
@@tinkeringwithwhit297 ok and also bro is there a way to make my clutch last longer with the straight chain 50 tooth? and also Is there some sort of upgraded clutch that’s designed for the straight chain so I don’t half to buy a new clutch every month? 🤔
I haven't experienced different clutches yet, I usually go for the cheap one
What was total length you used on the chain
I counted 120 links including the master link
@@tinkeringwithwhit297 ty whit.
30 series torque converter zip tie the gov spring throw a stage 1 kit on it you will be happy with it.
When "bypassing" the governor u need to remove the governor completely, the gear is only plastic and running the engine at higher than normal rpms will blow the spur apart and ull have a mess inside ur engine. Dont be lazy remove it the proper way...
@@NubsWithGuns CONGRATULATIONS bud u get dickhead of the day this is a place to help people not be ignerant like u were in ur comment. How many of these engines have you raced mister know it all???
@@nollidelddik A zip tied governor on a Coleman with a torque converter and stock gearing will never reach the RPM needed to blow anything up. You don't need a zip tie to run less than 4K RPM.
I can’t get the back bolt off it just keeps spinning
Sounds like it may be a nut on the other side of the bolt
Will this harm to stock engine
Honestly I'm not sure, but the stock governer should keep it in a safe rpm
did you just flip the clutch?
Yeah
😎🌞😎
Why don't you use a regular Rachet with an extension on it.
No reason the wrench was probably closer
Straight chain sucks you have no climbing power and the jackshaft is alright but if you really want more top speed and More torque you should put a torque unit on it remove the revlimiter out of the motor add a performance muffler and it should get up to 50 maybe 60 mph and try getting a predator 212cc motor you won't be disappointed
Left hand Threads?
It's regular righty tighty lefty loosey, I filmed it with the front camera on my phone so everything is mirrored
If you need power, like even driving across the yard, hilly areas or just more pull
Keep the jack shaft just lower the rear sprocket 5 teeth = 15mph
If your gonna stay on asphalt small inclines and just want Top End!
Changing to a 14 or 15 t clutch -& a 54 - 60 tooth rear sprocket = 48-54 mph
W stock 212 (w/out gov) jetted carb straight exhaust pipe !!! 😉. ✌️❤
Stick your jackshaft that's weak add a torque unit and a performance muffler remove the Governor from the motor and watch it move alot faster
What size is the chain that the jackshift and clutch using
@@babyboy3972 it’s called a torque converter
It's whatever I want to call it i don't need you correcting me because either way it's still a mini bike torque converter unit go look it up
Heck no the torque unit gives it even more top end for speed and more climbing power even more than the jackshaft
On them you choose which you want, power and 40ish mph, or speed on flat roads lol
But throw a Predator 212 stage 1 and 2 kits you can get power AND some more speed...
Or the predator 224 with stage 1 and 2 and get even more power and speed 😁👍
Yeah trading torque for top speed
Righty loose?
I used my front camera on my phone
i run a 13 tooth clutch straight chain on a 65 tooth sprocket im gettin 40 + good cruizin tho my dude
@@babyboy3972 gonna try one one day
Angry you'll be happy you did trust me lol
Dude trust me get a torque unit and the difference will amaze you
@babyboy3972 what's the best one the juggernaut
@babyboy3972 ty for your reply too
My man you need a converter for that neighborhood too many hills
Hey take that jackshaft toss it in the Garbage order you a torque unit and a performance muffler and watch the difference
I use to have the jackshaft on mine until I learned that you get more torque and more top speed with the torque unit
TORQUE UNIT BEATS THEM BOTH
Bro for real listen to me add the torque unit trust me you'll have more top end for speed and more torque for climbing power and a quicker take off
With the torque unit and the Tillotson he should be doing 50.
I top out at 60 mph and all I did was removed the Governor from the motor added a performance muffler and a torque unit and it screams
I’ve done it 3 times
Hey with a torque unit you wouldn't have to push it up a hill lmao
What carb do you have
It's an aftermarket carb from Amazon that came with different size jets
I like the name my last name is Whitt
i got a predator ghost installed on that frame and immediately out the box with out any mods it goes 51mph.i suggest removing that engine its trash and that hill will kill it eventually
Same thing go power sports said when I called looking for a flywheel, they have no parts for that motor
@@tinkeringwithwhit297 yeah its mainly designed to go 18mph with a governor and cant take any real pressure.but that frame and tires are perfect for everything on and off road so with a predator ghost you will absolutely love it
@@tinkeringwithwhit297 I have also heard this from others who said GPS doesn't have 196 parts. 196 parts are super common and available everywhere.
@@Deucealive75 yeah they don't have them for the 196 with the 5/8 shaft, basically told me to just buy a predator
The Ghost is just a cam and carb. Nothing special but is nice for those who don't want to build their own. And it's not that difficult to get Ghost 212 power out of a 196. There are 196's out there with much more power than the Ghost 212.
The straight chain and clutch is no good! You we’re burning up the clutch to get up the driveway… a torque converter is the only way to go !!
Sound like you may have had a problem
get a torque converter
Speak up!