Swiss Martini "Sniper" Jagdstutzer At 300m (Not A Martini-Henry From Battlefield 1 BF1)

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  • @Rileysworld727
    @Rileysworld727 Рік тому +32

    I can hear the old timers now, "You dont know what hard work is, shoot the rifle and stop complaining"

  • @FrankMuchnok
    @FrankMuchnok Рік тому +39

    Don't forget that the gunsmith needs to sell his products so some features may be intended to catch the buyer's eye more than serve a truly useful function. They say that a fishing lure doesn't need to catch fish, just the angler's fancy. But your 300m prone group with a rifle you haven't shot much and don't really like isn't too bad.

    • @ralphwatten2426
      @ralphwatten2426 Рік тому +3

      That's exactly what I thought when I saw that. Or maybe the owner brought it to a Smith and said "can you dress up this rifle a bit". Sure is a beautiful piece though.

  • @Haaraff
    @Haaraff Рік тому +32

    I have a Match Stutzer in GP 11 with the original furniture. It still has the original furniture (buttplate with hook, quadrant sight, a stock extension to place your thumb on, and a ball to rest in your supporting hand). If you are interested you can have it on loan for a review, shipped within Switzerland.

    • @matt58274
      @matt58274 Рік тому

      Seconded. American here with a gp11 chambered Martini that kinda like this but is much plainer. Bubba didnt get to mine, its still long and has the special stock. No clue what it really is but I'd love to see more on swiss Martinis.

  • @paulfeist
    @paulfeist Рік тому +16

    After shooting an Aydt, and a Swiss Martini, and handling a couple other Martini target rifles at a match, I came to a conclusion... They were designed ONLY for standing. They were designed for a low-elbow position, with the thumb not wrapped over-top of the stock, and to "steer" the rifle with your fingertips on the trigger-guard-fuckery, not use the majority of your hand. I kinda liked it shooting with the set trigger (my own .30-30 Swiss Martini... Yes... .30-30 Winchester. Factory...), but, only standing, and ONLY at the range. I would never want to make that trigger work in the field...

    • @mannequinfukr
      @mannequinfukr Рік тому

      What kind of groups do you get with your 30-30 martini? I have a ballard in 30-30 that achieves 1-2 MOA with my handloads
      I will admit I can't handload for accuracy to save my life

    • @paulfeist
      @paulfeist Рік тому +1

      @@mannequinfukr I'm a decent handloader, but I SUCK at casting bullets... so, I have not done better than about 1.25 MOA yet... but, that rifle has been on the "back burner" for quite some time. Might be time to improve my casting game, and try again!
      Ironically, I had a Win 94 lever action that shot under 3/4 MOA. Yeah, lever guns aren't supposed to shoot that good, right? Sadly, that rifle actually belonged to a friend (I was storing it while he was moving and getting settled). Nothing wrong with the .30-30 cartridge!

    • @micahreid5553
      @micahreid5553 8 місяців тому

      Thats what I thought that scrolly lever looked like it would almost be better as a pistol-grip than trying to actually hold the stock of the rifle

  • @michaelwhite9199
    @michaelwhite9199 Рік тому +11

    That’s a beautiful rifle. I miss the days when hunting rifles were wood and blued steel. At least in the US it’s ugly plastics, camouflage finishes and matte metal.

  • @n1mrod109
    @n1mrod109 Рік тому +2

    Set triggers are absolutley terrifying. They're like reverse drop safe, and I'm certain they increase the chance of a negligent discharge by tenfold. They also complicate the manual of arms. I once had a fellow hunter confess to me that he pulled the wrong trigger when trying to set it(thankfully it just shot into the dirt). He immediately got rid of the gun. Another tried to set a double set trigger of a loaned rifle like a single set trigger by pushing the rear trigger forward. This would normally fire the gun but thankfully he was just dry firing. I've also heard of the reverse happening with a single set trigger on a combination gun, where pulling the rear trigger just fires a different barrel. Considering that I shoot worse with them, I don't even know why these exist.

  • @Voelund
    @Voelund Рік тому +5

    Hehehehe.. I really like this. A rifle with a wrought iron fence, artistically wrought, for tigger guard that make it just weird to look at and apparently to handle. Not tacticool but maybe jagdicool?

  • @ericfrey1180
    @ericfrey1180 Рік тому +13

    I actually have a bit of advice on this - keep your firing finger lightly against the front of the trigger guard until you are ready to fire.
    once you have your POI, sharply bring it back but not with a lot of force. you basically have to treat the trigger like a touch pad on a laptop.

  • @paulbolus9399
    @paulbolus9399 Рік тому +2

    You can adjust the trigger with the screw between the 2 triggers. I actually love these type of triggers.

  • @hammyh1165
    @hammyh1165 Рік тому +1

    It's already been modified heavily so it's not historically important, so id carry on doing more mods and make it more ergonomic as it seems to shoot well.

  • @worldtraveler930
    @worldtraveler930 Рік тому +2

    Wow that is the first time Bloke is Admitted to actually being Afraid of an rifle!!! 🤠👍🇩🇰

  • @derekp2674
    @derekp2674 Рік тому +3

    Thanks very much Bloke and Chap - great to see that being shot. Two broadly similar target rifles are on display in the Royal Armouries museum at Leeds. Item XII.3388 is a
    Centrefire breech-loading target rifle - System Buchel chambered in 7mm and was made in about 1890, in Germany. Item VII.3392 is a Centrefire breech-loading target rifle - By H. Rochatte, made in France in 1985. This has a Martini action and is chambered in 11mm Gras. The other rifle has some kind of falling block action.
    Although it was great to see these exotic items there, it would be even better to have seen targetised 7.62mm No.4 and P14 examples on display in the sporting and target firearms section of the museum, along with some British contemporary .22 LR counterparts (e.g. No.8, BSA 12/15 and Martini Internationals etc.).

  • @PantsManUK
    @PantsManUK Рік тому +1

    It looks like an alternate lever (geometry) that gets it well out of the way of the shooting grip would help out no end, and a lengthened neck on the stock (maybe 4 inches or so) would help with the "trigger claw", but then it'd be a different piece without the rich history it currently has.

  • @wrxs1781
    @wrxs1781 Рік тому +6

    Good revue, and to myself a Martini action collector, this rifle at the right price would be on my list to buy, even with the 7.5x55 Swiss caliber. Chap should try the set trigger without a glove.

  • @RonOhio
    @RonOhio Рік тому +1

    I had a CZ with a single set trigger that I loved, but it was in 5.56. Off of sandbags it turned in 3 round groups that I won't claim in public.

  • @MichaelJohnson-tw7dq
    @MichaelJohnson-tw7dq Рік тому +1

    It’s a damn brave man that admits to a tasco scope in his video

  • @michaelguerin56
    @michaelguerin56 Рік тому +1

    I agree with the Bloke, regarding set triggers. I hate both types. Give me a decent two- or single-stage trigger and I am happy.

  • @Gus123
    @Gus123 Рік тому

    "Slightly terrifying fun" Perfectly summed up.

  • @jon9021
    @jon9021 Рік тому +2

    Ahhh, the Martini Henry design…what can’t it do!

  • @zoiders
    @zoiders Рік тому +1

    I was always surprised a suppressed Martini never materialised out of X-Station in the 40s.

  • @andrewcappiello5585
    @andrewcappiello5585 Рік тому +1

    Great video as always guys. Impressive group inspite of the lever. After watching some parts more than once, I wonder if it's possible to move the firing hand up (forward) and actuate the trigger with the middle finger. Keep the videos coming (please)!

  • @woutergijs5246
    @woutergijs5246 Рік тому +1

    I like the old glossy Tasco’s . They perform greatly e.g. on my Ruger Nr1. But also on Anschütz 54. Or why not, on a Winchester 9422 ?

  • @darylmiller5725
    @darylmiller5725 Рік тому

    I had one in GP90
    Beautiful rifle and very fancy wood. Scroll butt. Had the multi adjustable V sight.
    Never got round to shooting it, only really possible to shoot off hand.

  • @djd8305
    @djd8305 Рік тому

    "Chuck some ammo down it." I love Brit chat....

  • @dwightbrown2808
    @dwightbrown2808 Рік тому

    Best looking group I have seen on this channel I would be surprised if the set trigger is not adjustable. Get a gunsmith to alter the lever to something more comfortable (If it's your gun). The lever seems like something from the old all offhand Schutzen matches. I would love to see it with about a 30" Kreiger or Pac Nor barrel and a better stock. Although set triggers are not the norm on target rifles any more. Most 50 meter free pistols have some sort of set trigger (TOZ 35) or electronic Trigger (Morini CM 84)..

  • @Rileysworld727
    @Rileysworld727 Рік тому +3

    It is strange that the grip is so unergonomic as the hand tools (like handsaws) from that time period were very ergonomic. So its not like people didnt know how to make grips comfortable. Maybe there was a special way you are supposed to be holding it that was more comfortable.

  • @duncanandrews1940
    @duncanandrews1940 Рік тому +1

    A bit like knitting barbed wire Mike! And the wrought iron would make a nice gate!

  • @timblack6422
    @timblack6422 Рік тому

    Fair enough! Well done !

  • @dawsonschmidt3714
    @dawsonschmidt3714 Рік тому +1

    Slightly terrifying fun! All fun should be.

  • @ZGryphon
    @ZGryphon Рік тому

    I lost it a bit at the reference to "Swiss Bubba... Bubi?" :)

  • @seiiko6700
    @seiiko6700 Рік тому +1

    ah c'est toi qui acheté la martini GP11 de aebi waffen je la voulais aussi bien joué

  • @glueguzzler9548
    @glueguzzler9548 Рік тому

    I feel like as an 10m Air Rifle shooter, I don't think I'd mind a set trigger. I'm used to like 4 ounce triggers, they're so light it's insane, if you're not dead on and damn ready to shoot it's best, at least for me still being a bit new to the weight, to just keep your finger totally off of it. It being two stage helps a little. When it comes to the whole not being to take up the pressure, with these triggers, there's no pressure to take up. Get on your sights on, place your finger on the trigger, when the time is right, everything is good and it should be a good shot, you just pull right through. Some books describe it as doing it with aggression, but I think confidence is the better term because you don't want to jerk your trigger obviously. I've never tried a set trigger though so who knows. The ultra light trigger though absolutely helps when you're trying to hit bullseyes the size of periods.

  • @colbunkmust
    @colbunkmust Рік тому

    A Martini-stutzer sounds like gin and vermouth served in a shot glass.

  • @j.yossarian6852
    @j.yossarian6852 Рік тому +1

    It’s in BF1 because it’s cool as hell lmao.

  • @simonjones6128
    @simonjones6128 Рік тому

    Good job Mike and chappie

  • @panzerabwerkanone
    @panzerabwerkanone Рік тому +1

    I have a Swiss M1911 that has a stupid light trigger. I don't let anyone else shoot it but myself!

  • @husseinalmashhadany
    @husseinalmashhadany 11 місяців тому +1

    I have a Swiss Martini with 10.3x60R...you have no idea how unbelievably rare that ammo is in the U.S and how accurate that gun in action.
    PS: those rounds are bigger than 7mm remington and kicks like a drunk mule😂

    • @BlokeontheRange
      @BlokeontheRange  11 місяців тому +1

      The ammo is available here, but is seriously expensive!

    • @husseinalmashhadany
      @husseinalmashhadany 10 місяців тому

      ​@BlokeontheRange how much? Do they ship to the U.S?

  • @jondavidmcnabb
    @jondavidmcnabb Рік тому +1

    I gotta say, you shot pretty damn good and killed the target at 300 meters off hand. So.... maybe it ain't all that bad?

  • @Derecq
    @Derecq Рік тому

    Normally double set triggers are adjustable, is there a screw between the two triggers? I have adjusted mine on my muzzle loader because it was too light.

  • @robertl6196
    @robertl6196 Рік тому +2

    I blame the hideous, modern scope.
    A proper era-correct long tube scope or Unertl would solve all the world's problems.
    The scrollwork levers were indeed designed to keeps the shooter from clenching the whole hand, isolating the trigger finger, in theory.
    It was a different time.

    • @woutergijs5246
      @woutergijs5246 Рік тому

      Modern scope? A Tasco made in Japan? I guess 85-88?.

    • @chemistrykrang8065
      @chemistrykrang8065 Рік тому

      An 80s scope on a 20s rifle (or older) so it is modern with respect to the rifle. I kinda agree that the scope has the wrong vibes for the rifle, but then again this rifle has been converted anyway so the ship has long since sailed on it being original and period correct for when it was made.

  • @mrln247
    @mrln247 Рік тому +1

    Obviously potentially a dumb question but is there not a way to fit your fingers in the stock instead of the scroll as it looks more like just a fancy trigger guard.
    Looks like the cheek riser might actually be more of an ergonomics issue for getting your hand no.

  • @pmgn8444
    @pmgn8444 Рік тому

    Great video Bloke! So what do they hunt in Switzerland? Red Deer? Wild Boar?
    Interesting to see a 'hunting' rifle from the 'elder times' and how ergonomics has changed.

  • @gunterschmidtke9391
    @gunterschmidtke9391 Рік тому

    weight of the set trigger should be adjustable, if not by the little screw on the bottom you may have to open the action

  • @PhotoBobBarker
    @PhotoBobBarker Рік тому

    I wonder if the lever is compatible with any other model of Martini-Henry? Maybe someone with a buggered-up MH would be willing to part with theirs?
    As to the set trigger... Ever handled a .22 3-position rifle? My 2007/2013's trigger was set at about 60 grams.

  • @eddx5758
    @eddx5758 Рік тому

    That’s a beautiful rifle btw what’s your view on Australian gun laws

  • @CandidZulu
    @CandidZulu Рік тому

    I just read that target shooters in the day, found that to set a DST, it is best not to use the trigger finger. This will desensitize the finger for a very light pull. Se triggers are only beneficial for free pistols and some target rifles. Otherwise pretty useless, and potentially dangerous. People who tell you to use only the pad of the finger are not fudds really, old books describe both methods

  • @robertsmith4681
    @robertsmith4681 Рік тому +1

    When it comes to the weird trigger guard/lever, why not rest your 2 fingers inside of it where the stock is rather than trying to wrap your hand around it ?

  • @nicholaspatton5590
    @nicholaspatton5590 Рік тому

    The picture you show where the metal buttplate is very pointy, are those points meant to go below and above the shoulder? It looks most uncomfortable if not tricky to use.

  • @robmeglaughlin325
    @robmeglaughlin325 Рік тому +1

    chop that lever and weld a more ergonomic one back on.

  • @tini4580
    @tini4580 Рік тому

    damnnit now I WANT one

  • @barbarousfellow
    @barbarousfellow Рік тому

    It would be fun to shoot if it had a scout scope and a functional trigger guard.

  • @jlyle51
    @jlyle51 10 місяців тому

    The trigger relief is adjustable. Stop batching and fix it.

  • @tankfixer59
    @tankfixer59 Рік тому

    Try a long eye relief scope maybe ?

  • @peterconnan5631
    @peterconnan5631 Рік тому

    Interesting that the triggers are behind the lever. I think that may be part of the problem.
    Oh, and go feel the trigger on a modern F-class rifle! 1-2 oz is not uncommon.

  • @Khar_Toba
    @Khar_Toba Рік тому

    Ach I love the scrolly thingy but probably the other comment about how these features don't really have to be "good" just make the guy 100 years ago hand over his cash is about right.
    I'm sure it would be possible to design something similar with ergonomics more suited to your intended use. But I dunno if that would quite be authentic in the right way

  • @n2dadarknight
    @n2dadarknight Рік тому

    I enjoy these videos, can’t wait for you to fix it. Haha

  • @johnhaylett3643
    @johnhaylett3643 Рік тому

    as its in 7.5 can you use it in some of those big time matches you enter [ even with the scope] ???

    • @BlokeontheRange
      @BlokeontheRange  Рік тому

      No, cos of the scope. I guess I could get some target sights bodged onto it at which point I could use it in comps where you're allowed target rifles.

    • @johnhaylett3643
      @johnhaylett3643 Рік тому

      @@BlokeontheRange mike,personaly i would leave it alone just to have somthing abit different to yarn about at the range

  • @Chlorate299
    @Chlorate299 Рік тому

    Pretty good group for a gun that surprised you every time it went bang. Intereting example of how fickle firearm design has been over the years, I wonder if set triggers will come back into fashion again 🤣

  • @CachingCadre
    @CachingCadre Рік тому

    Is this something they would have used shooting sticks with considering the heft of the rifle?

  • @johnstacy7902
    @johnstacy7902 Рік тому

    Its that your personal gun? I'm thinking you could fab a better cocking handle

  • @matthewspeller
    @matthewspeller Рік тому +1

    Wonder if you could modify a proper martini lever to get rid of all that beautiful anti-functional nonsense

  • @twhittaker4343
    @twhittaker4343 Рік тому

    Do you think you could use the scroll as a pistol grip?

    • @Haaraff
      @Haaraff Рік тому

      You definitely could. In the original design of these Match Stutzer, the thumb was placed on the side and not over the wrist of the stock. I've seen quite a few and I even own one that has a designated thumb rest. It does not give a whole lot of control, but while standing this hand position actually does make sense. In this style of shooting, you would try to exert as little force as possible with your trigger hand.

  • @sqike001ton
    @sqike001ton Рік тому

    the answer is the sweeds making the game wanted a one hit gun and a single shot blackpowder rifle was the best fit why they chose a British gun I don't know

    • @chemistrykrang8065
      @chemistrykrang8065 Рік тому

      I think it's Swiss, not Swedish, and if I recall correctly that was always a smokeless cartridge... and Martini was a Swiss guy anyway.

    • @sqike001ton
      @sqike001ton Рік тому

      @@chemistrykrang8065 battlefield was made by a company from Sweden that's what I was getting at

  • @1982rrose
    @1982rrose Рік тому

    Did Chapy get funny looks for his fashion sense?

  • @jeffjefferson2676
    @jeffjefferson2676 Рік тому

    You are not really breathing. You are holding your breath. Just keep breathing, and when you are ready, exhale, but not completely.. And then shoot... I don't know man. But like you said, it takes ages before you shoot.
    I would think with the double trigger it should be pretty good.
    Maybe its the parallax adjustment, and when its wrong you need to have the crosshair centered, or you will get flyers. So if then the shooter position changes, you get changes on the impact point.
    Any way, I have some single shot rifle blueprints. I could show you. :P These have a double trigger too.
    For this rifle, if I would go hunting, I would get a 3 legged chair, and shooting sticks.
    Greetings,
    Jeff

    • @jeffjefferson2676
      @jeffjefferson2676 Рік тому

      Do you have an email adres I could send the links to?
      Greetings,
      Jeff

    • @BlokeontheRange
      @BlokeontheRange  Рік тому +1

      Thank you for teaching me to breathe in the manner in which I'm breathing in this video and have consistently done since 1994. Much appreciated ;)

    • @dlmsarge8329
      @dlmsarge8329 Рік тому +1

      @@BlokeontheRange Hehehe

  • @vladimirmihnev9702
    @vladimirmihnev9702 Рік тому +2

    I'm shocked by your dismissal of the totally acute simulation of The Great War that is Battlefield 1😢 I was left believing that this channel was giving accurate information not recycle old fudlore myth's. Like this one about video games being not 100% like real life! Are you saying that you don't respawn after having your head shoot off? What kind of BS is that 😂

  • @sd4594
    @sd4594 Рік тому

    I think you sumed it up pretty well, you hate it.

  • @andiwinzi3853
    @andiwinzi3853 3 місяці тому

    Eine Schrotflinte ist genauer 🤣

  • @philipfreeman72
    @philipfreeman72 11 місяців тому

    Looks to need modification .

  • @aries_9130
    @aries_9130 Рік тому

    I'm with you on hating set triggers, just like I hate single stage triggers. "BuT yOu ShOuLd Be SuRpRiSeD wHeN tHe ShOT bReAkS" .. no, f- off. I want to be in control over my weapon and not have it go off at a moment I can't predict, ya doofus - at least for precision shooting. Pretty nice groups, though!

    • @woutergijs5246
      @woutergijs5246 Рік тому

      And it is the result that counts, not the (dis)liking

  • @davidwallwork3623
    @davidwallwork3623 Рік тому

    I wouldn't be complaining if I could shoot on such a beautiful range in a beautiful country.

  • @657449
    @657449 Рік тому

    The purists will groan with the modifications but the gun is meant to be shot and enjoyed, not be a safe Queen. I’m jealous .

  • @Stargazer80able
    @Stargazer80able Рік тому +2

    Finger it a lot but not too hard :/

  • @cedhome7945
    @cedhome7945 Рік тому

    As this gun has been frigged about with just take an angle grinder to the lever thing (if you do it carefully you can allways weld it back on to sell it )🔫😜

  • @andiwinzi3853
    @andiwinzi3853 3 місяці тому

    Mit Ziehlfernrohr echt schlecht.

  • @AndreaLux-q7j
    @AndreaLux-q7j Рік тому

    Please smoke something before it.

  • @rudimollner6574
    @rudimollner6574 Рік тому +1

    Ihre Haltung der Schießhand ist völlig falsch! Mittel-, Ring- und kleiner Finger gehören an das Holz, nicht auf den Metallbügel. Durch diese Haltung kommt die Hand weiter nach hinten. Der Haken unter dem Abzug ist nur eine Ablage für den Abzugfinger, der dann auch bei der Schussabgabe, nicht mehr so weit durch den Metallbügel ragt. Bei gestochenem Abzug muss man dann nur noch den Abzugfinger von der Ablage ganz leicht seitlich an den Abzug legen und los geht’s. Das hintere Ende des Metallbügels ist von der Form her reiner Zierrat, nicht als Handstütze sondern nur zum Öffnen des Verschlusses gedacht.
    Das Abzugsgewicht lässt sich übrigens an der kleinen Schraube zwischen Stecher und Abzug verstellen.
    Darüber hinaus ist die Waffe ganz furchtbar „verschlimmbessert“ worden. Das ZF, das so weit nach hinten ragt, dass die Lademulde verdeckt und die Schaftkappe aus Gummi sind einfach unmöglich.

    • @Haaraff
      @Haaraff Рік тому +1

      Die Handposition ist im Sinne des Erfinders, jedoch fehlt dem Schaft eine Daumenauflage. Normalerweise würde der Daumen auf der Auflage parallel zum Kolbenhals anliegen, mit den Fingern im Bügel. Das Handgelenk der Schiesshand ist dabei absolut gerade.

  • @jlyle51
    @jlyle51 10 місяців тому

    Adjust the set trigger and stop bitching❤