Pro Racing Driver VS Pro SIM Driver!
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- 🟢 EA SPORTS WRC is [OUT NOW] for Xbox Series X/S, PlayStation 5, and PC. With over 70 vehicles spanning decades of rally history, all 17 locations with some of the longest stages we've ever seen in a rally game, and made by legendary developers Codemasters, you don't want to miss this. Search EA SPORTS WRC, or click this link for more information on the game - x.ea.com/78669
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🟢 EA SPORTS WRC is [OUT NOW] for Xbox Series X/S, PlayStation 5, and PC. With over 70 vehicles spanning decades of rally history, all 17 locations with some of the longest stages we've ever seen in a rally game, and made by legendary developers Codemasters, you don't want to miss this. Search EA SPORTS WRC, or click this link for more information on the game - x.ea.com/78669
Early siuuu
Beamng is way better...
Dude, you're 10 years younger than me and I had racing sims when I was a kid! First official WRC game came in 1997. When you were 12!
@js0988 Who are you talking to?
@@js0988 Sims dude, not arcade games.
Thanks for having me chaps🤝
I would say let’s do this again in real rally cars next time but after watching this I’m not convinced that’s a good idea💀
I am 😏
They need to have you back for an on circuit challenge
This was a really fun video to watch. I am surprised no one adjusted the FOV or the virtual cockpit seating position. Both of which are fully adjustable in EA Sports WRC. It would be interesting to see you three do this again with adjusted in game settings. Amazing to see how you quickly you adapted.
Do WRC on a rallycross track mate :)
A real SS - probably not xD
But if you try it on training grounds with big runoff areas and no trees or cliffs - I'd pay real money to see it
Rallying without listening to the pace notes is like circuit racing without braking. Interessting approach but a safe call to fly out of every corner
having no idea what the notes mean makes it even more interesting
@@sebbo9696 The Point of rallying is on the day before the rally you drive the stages at road speed, make notes how tight the corners are (e.g. "3 left" is tighter than "5 right"), how much distance is between them, where are jumps, compressions, potholes, rocks, etc. and then when you drive vs the clock your co-driver reads those notes so you can anticipate the road beyond your visual range and chose your line and speed accordingly, so your are much faster than driving just on sight how he does in the videos
I kind of wish you'd done this differently. Maybe like 2-5 runs on 1 or 2 stages, but do a 'final' on a completely different stage where you don't know what's coming - like a proper rally. Maybe do a recce on the final stage before the run. I know you'd all probably end up crashing, but would be interesting to see if James could pull it off.
I'd really liked to have seen a non-tarmac stage
Y agree, you can't talk while your co-driver dictates the road. You don't need to remember the curves, just listen and trust the guy that does not see the road😅
I say we put them all on brands hatch surely Mr Mansell wouldn't mind!
yeah doing it over and over again kind of defeats the purpose of what rallying is
That's not actually how real rallying works at the top level. In the WRC, drivers get 2 passes through each stage for recce before the race. Then they watch their replays and refine the pacenotes until they're happy with them. And then they generally run each stage twice during the rally. So there isn't a case where they don't know what's coming, unless it's lower levels of rally where drivers don't do a recce.
Dear EA, You do not have to sponsor your game, if You fix all the issues, it will sell by itself.
and add triples and vr :)
I own it myself, lowered the light to 35 instead of 100 and I have much better even graphics on a series s
People hate that with the (soon to be fixed) performance issues, this is the best overall rally game ever made. Get over your little egos.
@@Nobo35i know they are too cheap to buy it, so that they will see that it doesn't have these problems with graphic just lower the light, and see because the stuttering is gone
Rally to track racing is jazz to classical music... then there's oval racing, which is basically country music
thats very unfair to country music.
Always fun when famous Drivers/UA-camrs get together and have a driving party. Sometimes we get some friends over and have a "drinking and driving" party in my den. I found that 3-4 people are probably the maximum to accommodate without it getting boring for those that have to wait their turn, especially if they are not regular simmers.
That's one reason to keep your old simracing wheels after upgrading, i guess. Ill probably keep this thrustmaster after upgrading to a DD just to have a second wheel to setup, sounds like great fun. Competitive drinking and driving parties, but ethical xD
It is hard. Without the feeling of G force, it's much harder to gauge speed and cornering force. Your inner ear matters on a real track, kudos to those that can do it with only steering feedback and pedal feedback.
Yes, and the monitor is also a factor
it gets massively easier for me by adding 6 dof head movement and 3d distance with vr
This is what I wanted to know. After being on willowsprings driving in games felt very different, wasn't sure about pure Sim racing.
@@geniuskingofthebes6499 It's a simulacrum of driving, not a perfect 1:1 recreation of driving. It's like comparing a painting or photo of a person to being with them in real life.
Well that was unexpected! Awesome to see you guys do a video together. Looks like you had fun!
Haha the wobble in the wheelstand 1:15
would love to see yous play Richard Burns Rally !
real world driver: racing in socks
esport driver: using shoes
why im not surprized? :D
this was a great video. just a couple guys having a blast gaming and chatting. 10/10
Looking forward to watch @CookieAndCars beating you all on this rally course
You and Callum should make your own amateur rally car and try some local races in the future! Should be really nice content! :D
You should get Louise Cook on the channel - she's the perfect fit for this - actual rally driver, sim driver, and youtuber (Cookie and Cars).
Really enjoyed this!! Great video
the thing i love about rallying is even though you go through the sane stage its different every time, you have more speed so a different line appears, or you're facing the wring way now you gotta figure out how to save it, nothing like raw instinctual driving
Scott enjoying Sim Racing as he was a child again was so cool to watch lol Great video as always!
One trick i use in rally "sims" is just listen to the call out... but look at the trees to get an idea of the corner and then to the road. Always be looking multiple corners ahead, with the exception of "don't cut" and "cautions" where i look closer.
This was fantastic to watch! A buddy of mine is a real menace at WRC sim, he's been into rally ever since he was little because of his dad and his idol Petter Solberg.
Seeing how goofy the car looks with professionals behind the wheel really explains how bad WRC physics are 😂
100%
I would love to see how well James would´ve done against a current WRC driver that way we can really see how realistic the game is and how well the real life skill transfers.
The number for the corner is basically what gear you should be in.
More or less
no, there is no gear 6 on all cars and no need to put 1st gear. the number is just an angle of the wheel you need to follow the road, how steep is the corner, there is no indication of speed on the notes.
@ahgdipsd not entirely accurate. It's 100 percent on whoever made the pacenotes. There are many different systems used and many make thier own systems. But as a general rule it's angle based in games because there are so many different cars to drive.
Using the gear number will safely get you through a stage most of the time but as you get better and more confident the numbers are more of a tool to give you an idea of what a corner will be rather than a crutch.
Keep the rally content coming
This is the only place where I'm faster than Scott...😂😂😂
Lol
Successful rally is all the co-driver, thats why you don't rely on your gut, you rely on the pace notes. The way I approach it is to realize the co-driver is the brain, does the thinking, and the driver is just hands and feet, operates the car. Once the driver has to think you are off a cliff or in a tree. Group B drivers used to famously say "the car is faster than I can think". That being said, there only so many stages and after a few years in their career rally drivers tend to remember stages that get used often, but still rely on the pace notes for the full speed runs though.
This has actually been one of the most surprising racing game releases in recent memory for me, on one hand just because it's not broken at launch like another big release this year.
I didn't have that much faith in it prior to it released but it's a very solid title, not yet perfect but more accessible than Dirt Rally 2.0 and just overall better than Dirt 5. Also the Car Builder feature is pretty cool albeit limited but it's one of the very few games to feature something like this just a fun thing on the side.
Cool to see you guys all give it a shot and maybe a Snow Stage in a RWD Group B Car next :P
GG guys and congrats James, you might also need a Rally Driver for next time at this rate :)
rwd is horrible sadly, but everything awd is really good to drive. Either way gravel is much much better than tarmac
@@scottex. Are RWD cars badly implemented with respect to Dirt Rally 2.0???? That would be a huge loss, they were so much fun in DR2.0.
Not broken at launch? The game has a lot of issues. I like the game a lot and it's fun but it needs a lot of work still.
Not broken at launch? As in "it's a polished release"? Sure, it doesn't constantly totally crash (the software, not the car).
@MikkoRantalainen it did crash a lot when it was released. I literally got a unreal engine fatal error the first time I played the game. Lol
It's funny watching Callum shat himself driving in the sim when he was all over twitter trying to teach Lewis Hamilton how to drive😂
Ever since this game was released I have almost only been playing this after 4 years of ACC. When you have decent FF settings the gravel and snow surface are so much fun to drive. The Rally1 cars on asphalt is fun but it is probably ranked at the bottom of the best experiences this game can deliver.
H2RWD, RALLY2 AND S1600 in Portugal are all right up there. Haven't touched ACC either. And Forza, bleurgh.
Yup, I run
83 sat
55 damp
55 tf
90 sus
100 slip
with my CSL Elite and damn does it feel amazing
if you enjoy the loose surfaces in this game you should try the other rally games. worse tarmac, but much better dirt/ gravel etc.
@@ark14700 Let me fix that for you...
sat 75-80 for the CSL Elite (I have it at 70 on CSL DD 8Nm)
Wheel Friction at 40 tops (35-40)
Tyre Friction at 10 tops (I have it at 5)
Suspension at 125-130
Slip at 90-100 (based on preference)
It will really change your experience because you are forcing a lot of force on the tyre friction and wheel friction that are not realistic as real rally car wheels turn much easier than this
The best way to escape the imminent crashes is to brake on the engine while braking normally, by just shifting down two gears (mostly) and then putting down as much power down with the throttle as you can. Slowing down with the down shift and moving away from the threat by sheer 4 wheel pull. Best trick ever.
The fact that the last guy got to sit and memorise the track while the other 2 drove. And also got to see where they struggled so he could back off ahead of time🤔
I hope this inspires Scott to put together a Rally masterclass. I’d sign up!
Well, he'd have to hire someone sign up himself as well... cause a masterclass needs well... a master... 🤣
By the way, any good rally sim racer can help you master the basics and show you proper rally techniques like pendulum turns (Scandinavian flicks which I'm very mediocre at but sometimes I use them), when to use the handbrake and how, throttle management, how to properly downshift and use engine brake
Rally racing has a lot to do with technique naturally but it also has A LOT to do with feeling... you learn to feel the turns... judge them based on the pace notes... and as a rather fast rally sim racer myself the best advice I can give you is turn off all the HUD except for the speedometer and LISTEN to the pacenotes... learn to listen to them like a new language... you'll be going tens of seconds or even minutes faster in no time...
@@nikosfotidas8543 thanks for the advice and yes HUD is off. I took Scott's Iracing course and he hires great instructors. He doesn't do the actual classes. My racing is much better as a result so I was hoping he'd do the same for rally. Happy rallying!
@@onetripwonders I don't play iRacing, I only play ACC cause I feel cheated paying the ridiculous money iRacing is asking... I'm a decent track driver (normally around 3 secs off pro-pace in most tracks in ACC and in the lower splits of LFM I do fairly well and have some wins) but I'm much better at rallying...
I need to work on my consistency in rallying cause in EA WRC where the roads are brutal cause they're real (unlike Dirt Rally 2.0) I do make big mistakes sometimes and ruin my rally but when I'm clean I'm always top 5-10% worldwide...
My best advice would be to drive the shit out of the Junior WRC car... and don't touch the WRC 1 monsters until you can drive the slower ones to their limits... if you do it will create bad habits that lose you time because you'll be trying to stay on the road rather than drive fast and smooth...
So my advice to you is to take the Junior WRC car, learn to tune it properly (WRC setups site has a lot of setups) and practice on long stages (the longest ones). Try to use proper techniques, try learning pendulum turns (Scandi flicks) by braking and turning towards the outside and then swinging hard to the inside...
FInally try to train your eye to scout the terrain... off camber turns are brutal and you need more braking for example or you can use the handbrake to turn the car more aggressively there...
And for the love of god, don't try to emulate speed runners that go for world records... that kind of driving doesn't work in a real rally... you will crash and you will crash badly
That feeling of "one more run" when you're trying to chase your pals is just so relatable.
It really is addictive, didn’t stop yesterday until I got that world record on a stage 😂
We should officially name that "Clubhouse Corner" now 😂
And the last one should be Callum's Crash. 🤣
@@re57k 😂
James Baldwin is the perfect example of how Sim Racing has been a blessing for the racing community... if Sim Racing wasn't a thing James would have never in his life gotten a seat on a real car... he'd never have become a racing driver and his god-given talent would have gone to waste...
James is considered even by real experienced racing drivers as one of the most rapid people in a car world-wide... and it all started as a guy plaing racing sim games on his computer... which is nuts if you think about it... it's nuts that nowadays you can have an extremely accurate racing experience for under 1000$ with a direct drive wheel (I have a CSL DD 8Nm plus the clubsport shifter and handbrake) .
After watching this I wanna go do that same Croatia stage to see how close I'd get to James time... I am experienced in rally sims and I am proud to call myself a fast rally driver... I am certain I won't beat that 4:09:852 of James but I wanna see how close I can get (I am mostly a gravel specialist... tarmac I'm just decent, nothing more)
Anyway, this was really really fun to watch... my condolences to Scott... nice try mate but not nice enough... keep on working on your rally driving... we love Driver61 to death, the best racing channel in the history of UA-cam 😁
Scotts instinct when having a crash to take his hands off the wheel and cover the front of the Helmet he's not wearing.
That's a lot of experience and certainly more than 1 crash.
Scott what you need to remember is taking a break from rally cross driving because it is very very easy to overwhelm yourself. Yes it's about being fast but it's also about consistency. And being consistent comes with a clear head. Granted there are some cars that I will not touch with a 20 foot pole. One of them in particular is the Audi Quattro. That car scares the hell out of me.
"Completely neglecting to listen to the pace notes." lololol
Great video! But where is overdrive? I miss the 3 of you together!
I think the reason they're so slow is because they don't understand how pacenotes work and were trying to memorise the stage.
Would be fun to see Scott go up against some simracer who drives rally games.
Also loving the sponsored EA WRC videos that are coming out, much more creative than the ones wr usually see where its just gameplau
Sort out your FOV and it will transform the experience.
Also, better to listen to the co-driver than have a conversation
For FOV, find an online calculator. You measure the distance from eye to screen. Tell it your screen size and it gives your FOV setting to use in the game. Boom! You are immersed
Great video. Rally games are just so darn fun. They are the best advertisement for WRC and have actually caused me to follow the sport. It is the most engaging form of racing to me, but the rally format just doesn't translate well to TV and I think that is the only thing that really holds the sport back. Rally highlights and onboards are amazing to watch.
James was properly focused on learning the ropes watching you two drive before him too to get an advantage from there as well, as you would as a professional :P
What kills me in this game (the reason I got a refund) is the input lag. You can see it in the video. I dont know why it is not talked about more so they can fix it and I can re-buy the game
Looks like the Field of View wasn't set correctly guys, it makes a difference.
i would have gone last to watch everyone's run
I love WRC and just basically won a quite hard marathon onlline-Rally against 280 opponents. There was one a lot faster guy, but using a gamepad seems like running on other physics even if they don't use assists. No way you could control an RWD Group B car with a gamepad on the same physics I got. What's great about Rally is: You don't need to be that quick. Just don't f up and even an old guy like me can still win at least in the long run.
:)
1:14 love the socks 😄
Well done lads, that'll be WRC on the Xmas list
3 of you need to go into a legit rally car!
Pro Racing Driver VS Pro SIM Driver! Which man can fold his arms more dramatically while glaring slightly down at the camera!
Would love to see scott and james take to the race track against each other in real life
Didn't expect Callum in this video. Nice to see him. Fun video. (where is overdrive?)
I came here to ask about Overdrive too. It's been at least a month since the last video
I mean, if you run it for enough times, it becomes circuit racing again. Like, Nordschleife has over 100 corners, for any new comer that must feel like rallying as well, yet many of us probably remember every corner of it as if it was the back of the yard. Real life rally drivers are so impressive, they only get a slow scout run before fully sending it.
1-2 slow recce runs, a comprehensive set of exact notes for every meter of the course, multiple rounds of video playback.... They get a lot more than a single scouting run!
Codemasters have quite the track record when it comes to designing motorsports games.
ive known pro gamers irl and these ppl are just built different. their reaction speed, coordination and ability to adapt and learn are on another dimension compared normal ppl.
You can tell these guys came from the formula 1, sort of rear wheel drive, lots of oversteer, basically things that handle like carts. You can see how he's trying to saw at the wheel to get the rotation into the corner but it's the exact opposite in an AWD rally car going off-road. Like they are trying to not lock up the brakes and slide which is what you wanna do
A good way I have learned to get a good questimate of the corner and the speed I can carry, I use the numbers like "3 left" as gears, I can enter the corner in 3rd gear. Usually works for a start and then as I get to know the car I can change it up and it becomes natural.
I like those racing socks at 1:08
It is wild to me just how different circuit racing is compared to rally. It takes a totally different skill-set to manipulate those short wheelbase cars through those turns. Colin McRae has my absolute favorite racing quote: "Straight roads are for fast cars. Turns are for fast drivers."
It's all nice and fun until you look at the leaderboard for the whole world and find you that you're still 30 seconds too slow.
“Gravel stage at Croatia” 🤔 I think not.
I don't know how you all can drive while the others are talking. Whenever I stop listening to the co-driver in rally sims I crash XD.
You're supposed to listen to the co-driver and judge which gear to use for a corner based on that, then you'll get the speed almost right. If you still enter the corner a bit to quickly, it's usually enough to just slide a bit more, to get rid of some of the speed.
The Manx rally in Ireland used to run on back roads often re using stages multiple times so the drivers got used to the them and get blistering times
Dude wears a fire suit in a simulator 😂😂 come onnnnn
Fire suit? Check. Driving gloves? Check. Racing boots? Check. Custom protoype steering wheel? Check. An actual car to drive....? Anyone? Hello?
My rough guide for corner number speed is: 2 times the number + 10 kph
It was the socks, Scott. Could have made the clubhouse turn if you had proper racing shoes on.
8:05 "4:46, is that good?"
Translation: "what's new high score mean, guys?"
I'm no expert in sim racing, road racing or rally racing.. but that looks difficult af without an ebrake
The graphics are so crunchy, it's so unoptimized
Baldwin min-d out the graphics settings, noice!
if you want it to run on a measly 4090 you have to make a few compromises with this game.
i think there is a disavantage on both side when jumping to theie opposite side, there is obviously some "accruacy" differences on the wheel-road interaction, another big difference would be the body g-force. this is the major factor that would drive how the arm forces are put in
Pffff even I shouted “Clubhouse!!!!” How can u not learn!!!?
Omg you can see the input latency from here. And that aliasing on the graphics! Truly UE4. Outside of that D61 and James Baldwin, good guys! Get that paycheck boys.
input latency isn't that big an issue. The wheel on screen is way delayed for some weird reason.
I second what @RosendalTV said - the delay is only visual.
The bad graphics dont have to do with Antialising, seems like they are using the wrong setting for upscaling which makes the graphics look so bad and grainy
@hndrk8673 it is tricky to get this game to look good. Unfortunately at this point, it may be necessary to do some configuration file tweaks depending on your rig. Thankfully there's a great community out there figuring this out. I've seen some videos that look absolutely stunning, but I'm not there yet with my setup.
@@hndrk8673 it's because they are playing on ultrawide but had to fit it to video somehow so it had to be squished
Would really like to see the same on Richard burns rally
Oh and a handbrake
Looking forward to this video, but what's happened to Overdrive? Are Callum and Will still around? I enjoy both channels. Edit: ok cool I see Callum at least!
Love this one!
am i the only person who saw callum's last run being in the 5:00s but the time was 4:18 at the end
Man.. i thought this was gonna be a real life race
I would love to know what the stage record is for that. Would also have been interesting to put a professional rally driver in the sim to see how they'd do.
And as others have suggested, they should have been racing on an unknown stage without getting to see each other racing until afterwards.
The focus amount required is huge. From the video, looks like everytime they talked, they crashed.
16:19 nice time james ;)
The sim rig has a MASIVE delay and the graphics look realy bad
A rally driver took David Coulthard up, and then back down, a rally stage. When he asked “Again?” David undid his seatbelt and replied: “No!” Mika Hakkinen got out at the top of the stage 😊🌞
To be fair James is a pro driver too despite not having a drive right now - shocking by the way!
What kind of training and type of work outs a professional race car driver has to do to be prepared for a race? Is it there any difference in preparation between which type of race driving a driver races? For example is the training is going to differ between F1 race and GT race or Rally race?
I never expect you guys to run wrc for the comparison, because rally is a completely different type driving. 😅
we need next one with jarno would be fun
Try time trials in BeamNG - probably closest sim to real life
You should have raced on a dirt track instead of tarmeck. That would have been so much more fun to watch(possibly because you guys would spin out way more)
I think for a racing pilot, whose senses are tuned to picking up information from everything happening during the race - steering wheel feedback, wheel grip, suspension, roll, etc., driving in a sim without a motion rig, even with the best direct drive wheel, is a very incomplete experience and there is just no way he/she can put the driving skills to use, regardless of how good the physics engine is.
I would bet all my money that if they had done the challange irl, james still would have comoletely destroyed both of them. After all driver 61 is still just a former gentleman driver.
Jarno Opmeer just jumped into WRC sim driving and he was fast almost instantly. After more practice he was setting lap records against actual WRC Esports drivers.
The tree's leafs aliasing looks very bad 😳 i thought it was an issue with my pc🤦♂️
Currently downloading this one.
I'd be interested in Callums opinion on the circuits he raced on during 2023.