Lack of tech? We need less tech in racing. Stability control and traction control on a stock car is blasphemous but I'd like too 6 or 4 banger stock cars, they'd be more believable
It's all the same cars, completely not what the NASCAR was in it's original vision. It's so watered down now, it's hard to root for any car because essentially they are the same. the lack of tech is fine because its suppose to be stock cars.
@@dennisrobinson8008 But the Nascar engine will probably last longer, at least in theory, because lower speeds means less wear :) See also: www.epi-eng.com/piston_engine_technology/comparison_of_cup_to_f1.htm
@@dennisrobinson8008 gotta keep in mind that cascar engines are built to width stand speeds of 150 in corners and 200-215 on straights… and on the talledega super speed way they sometimes reach speeds of 220-225.. and on that track the corners are taken at about 160-170
This is the first dyno run of a real performance engine that I've seen where they didn't slam the throttle from full to shut-off in 0.001 second causing the whole engine to twist nearly off the mount. Good job.
Really neat to see air fuel ratio sensors for each cylinder. On the computer it’s the 8 bars next to each other, safe air fuel ration is green, yellow is lean, and then goes red when he lets out. They are targeting 12-12.5 AFR
Nice work on the part of Toyota's development team in building an engine that fits within Nascar rules. They already made good engines, but development is what racing is all about.
I Love how a carbureted pushrod V8 jammed into a flying brick revs at over 9000 RPMs for up to 600 miles pushing 700 horsepower during a time when cars basically run on computers is more exciting when it goes in circles
Everyone is complaining that Toyota didn't really make this engine but I don't really give a fuck who really made this engine. It has power, sounds wonderful, and I want 5 of them. :)
well,typically most are built to run flat out for no more than 1,000 miles unfortunately EDIT:but i suppose if you took extra good care of it you might get 1,250-1,500 miles without having to replace critical engine components,but this would basically mean giving it a full look-over,fluid checks pretty much tearing it down piece by piece after every time you drive it,which obviously would be very time consuming...but if you're that dedicated and patient (and have the know how) i said go for it,if you need more info just message me privately :) i'll tell you everything i know about them :D
Matsuri Kudo i rather just put in a LS 😂 all of that work is worth only for a full race spec track car. Speaking of that.. these engines are made to rev high for long time since there aren't deceleration and acceleration in NASCAR. I wonder how well it would perform on a race spec car on the ring
@@doc.voltold4232 there's a New Zealand based series called Central Muscle Cars that races 60's-80's muscle cars of which the faster cars run mostly Nascar engines. The example I'm showing is a Roush Yates but yeah ua-cam.com/video/8e9ecY2K4sc/v-deo.html.
Chief 1 The took the min/max dimensions of the existing NASCAR v8 engines (SB2.2, D3, R5/P7) to create the Toyota V8. Nothing Toyota makes is in any way, shape, or form, similar to what is being produced for their standard cars available to the public.
Rare footage of a fire breathing anomaly separated from it's carbon fire/sheet metal exoskeleton. Its symphony is greatly appreciated by thee racing dwellers.
Don't sound like they are even using the brake on it or putting a load on it much ! I think this is more of a tuning set up messing with timing and fuel curves !
You can't buy a 2 door Toyota Camry let alone one that comes with a flat tappet in block camshaft? More Nascar nonsense. And now they want to let Honda into the sport. So much for the great American race.
Has anyone else always been able to hear that sound change in a V8 at like 8000-8500ish rpm? I've always been able to tell close to a V8's redline just by the sound.
+Rose White I'm good but I don't like it when one or two drivers dominate the entire racing calendar. I'd rather have a racing series that gives all drivers a fair shot at a win every weekend instead of the top dogs winning the race in turn one.
Manny Hysten When the drivers have to race to amuse the crowd and not display pure driving ability and the mechanics cannot use ingenuity the racing gets pretty boring. I've been watching racing all sorts of racing since about 1960 but today's racing is pretty boring and I rarely bother watching more than the first lap. Over here in Europe the F1 drivers have whined about having to brake or turn corners and now they can run as wide as they want as the corners have been widened so much. Luckily there is still plenty of car rallying on forest and hill roads to separate the men from the boys while the Isle of Man TT race is the pinnacle of bike handling. We don't want to go back to see Joe Weatherly killed by a solid wall or Bill Vukovich flying over the rail but I'm sure in those days the racers earned their money and made a good show for the spectators.
In short you would need a single plane intake manifold, an extremely precisely balanced rotating assembly with lightweight forged rods and pistons with low drag rings and strong wrist pins, a huge solid roller cam with intake duration specs over 260 degrees at .050” lift, and some badass heads that flow over 350cfm. To build an engine like this yourself you’re still looking at over $10k
I love noisy engines, but I can't help myself from thinking how complicated and inefficient they are. An AC induction motor of this same power output would be very quiet and have one moving part. Electric cars are the future, but I will miss the noise and smell of gas engines.
You said it right: they are the future. For now, the present, the only efficient way of moving vehicles is using fossil power. Electric engines give instantaneous power and torque in a silent way, but for short amounts of time when not permanently plugged in. That's the very very major disadvantage, that a 150km autonomy isn't even near acceptable. If we were to consider that it has to charge 4 times more than it takes to drive those km, electric cars aren't reliable and worth buying. You can say that we can buy and use then inside the city for short distances, but i say that's even worse. Let's say that 1 in 10 people will be able to buy one of these bad boys and drive them ONLY inside the city. What does that mean? Over-agglomeration of our cities that already are full. It means an increase of 10% in the number of cars, which already isn't small. Yes, you'd say that the same number of cars will be on the road at any given time, and you'll be right from a mathematical pov, but in reality, those cars meant to be used for long distance trips have to be parked somewhere, which means taking a lot of valuable space and putting cars in it. If you managed to read up to this point, i advise you to keep on going for a few more rows, because i have an off-topic opinion. IMO, the future will never be in electric cars if we don't invent some sort of special battery that will be able to store the same efficient energy but in a 50% or more volume and will be able to charge in a matter on tens of minutes, to make it worth considering as an everyday-allroads car. To be realistic, the only reliable fuel for the future cars is yet to be discovered, but it will most certainly be some sort of fast-and-cheap-to-produce-biodiesel capable of burning as clean as possible and at least as efficient as gasoline. Oh, and it has to be compatible with old-gen engines and require as-little-to-no modifications possible in order for it to be used by the masses. For the near future, we shouldn't really worry about oil shortage, but it's price. Theoretically, we should be able to use it without problems for the next 50 years at least. I think that's plenty of time to develop an alternative. I'm confident both you and me will not live to miss the sound and smell of internal combustion engines.
+Vicol Andrei you are on the right track but went off the rails a wee bit. As you stated, currently we lack any form of battery technology that will make electric cars feasible in the foreseeable future. I'll throw in the FACT that there is possibly far more than a hundred years supply (perhaps even three hundred) of petrochemical fuels available so conversion isn't a necessity cuz ya gotta know climate change is a hoax: how does paying higher taxes effect the weather? eh? Just know that so-called biodiesel is on a par with the pseudoscience of growing corn to produce ethanol. I'll attempt to explain it this way... Currently we humans way access to 'energy' derived from two sources, the sun from energy stored in fossil fuels or sunlight and energy 'stored' in Uranium/Thorium 'stored' within those elements via the r-process of a core-collapse supernova. (that pesky Quantum Mechanics thing yanno) Since we foolishly refuse to vigorously pursue zero greenhouse gas emitting nuclear power we are going to be using fossil fuels for energy. (throw in the fact that U.S. coal power plants dump nearly 50 tons of mercury into the environment every year and we might reconsider this anti-nuclear idiocy) So to put this in layman's terms: electrical power generation is approximately 35% thermal efficient and so is a modern internal combustion engine. Electrical power generated by fossil fuel in a power plant at 35% efficiency (thermal) incurs losses in the power grid, losses when stored and then withdraw from a battery (not to mention the total lack of energy density of current battery technology) and yes even at 90+ percent conversion efficiency in a motor another Loss of Energy. For road going vehicles it just makes sense to burn the fossil fuel in the bloody car at 35% efficiency and tell the climate change hoaxers to stick their taxation up their wazoo's at least until next century when commercially feasible fusion reactors become possible thereby giving mankind damn near free, zero pollution, unfricken-limited, electrical energy. By then we should have better batteries, Hell for all I know room temperature superconductivity might be a normal thing?!? So all hail hydrocarbons, 'Murica currently the world's #1 oil producer rock on internal combustion engines. Hell Yeah!
slug Face I think 300 years worth of fossil fuel is a bit of an overstatement. Even so, assuming we have aeons worth of oil and coal to fuel our evergrowing need of energy and power, that's not what matters. What we should worry about is if we can handle all those emissions. This January has been the hottest one in 150 years of recordings. As was december and november and october and so on. And this is not a simple coincidence, the planet is really warming. Life will not perish, this shouldn't be our concern. Life is waaay harder to kill than with a bit of carbon monoxide. We, on the other hand, will not really cope with those changes. But fuck us..
***** So called Climate Change is a religion not science. That aside, if the use of fossil fuels is to be curtailed to forego some unforeseen change in the weather, based on not hard science but of all things 'synthesis reports' ! Who in their right mind would consult believers in such pseudoscience as anthropogenic global warming for an alternative to fossil fuels? If you do you'd prolly end up with some hogwash about Green Energy. I will point out that the perfect solution is already available but the same cadre of not so well informed folks that put the kibosh on this 100% safe, zero emission, virtually unlimited source of energy, starting with the harmless release of a minute amount of radioactive noble & radioiodine gases back in 79 are the same kinda folks that fear melting icecaps and ozone holes. Hanoi Jane's broken ankle during the filming of China Syndrome caused her to stop ballet practice and take up aerobics which led to her famous exercise home video franchise, I contend caused far more injury to the American populace than Three Mile Island, The March 22nd 1975 Brown's Ferry Incident (which the movie was modeled after) and the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident all rolled into one, (i.e. zero casualties). Nope the emerging economies of China and India are right now belching out ever increasing greenhouse gases and no amount of Save the Whales whining will slow them down one iota.
The rumors from 13 or so years ago was Toyota showed up with a design without communicating with NASCAR. NASCAR rejected the engine. Rumor has it NASCAR gave Toyota in house plans to the Chevy motor which had been redesigned with canted valves like the Ford had. They told yoter to build this and try again. And thus the Toyota Cup motor was born. This was reported in the media at the time. Fake news? Who the hell can tell anymore? But that's my story and I'm sticking to it. lol
All these engines are the same. They all have to make these engines so close the "NASCAR Spec" that it's not even the original anymore... and that goes for all cars for people who are saying there are no Toyota parts or this motor doesn't reflect anything in the Toyota market. I really don't understand how people can get hyped on any Nascar motor...
Well past 1,000 on a very conservative tune. NA it’s capable of a solid 900+. They’re nuts. Though you must consider this is built entirely for natural aspiration. Some cars are made to breathe the same uncompressed air you and I breathe, just like god intended.
It’s called the restrictor plate by nascar and it’s almost like a massive throttle body spacer that sits under the intake mani allowing the shorter rods to use push more air / fuel in the combustion chamber enabling higher speeds since the compression ratio is kinda like a 2 stroke dirt bike than a trail riding 4 stroke , much more wound up giving both better throttle response and keeping a strong rpm level through the gears instead of dropping off quicker just more efficient use of air and gas compression in the 2 valve per cylinder nascar engines. This cones with twisting and jerking of the block due to so much tourqe those v8 throw out because of sacrificing long time durability with heavier parts something they don’t have to worry about since they use a new engine every race or most well known companies with the money due. Believe when anasxar race is over that engine is warped in all sorts of ways but using lighter parts shorter rods not helpful in everyday driver but Is a devil on the track, those engines are meant to preform wide open upwards of 10k rpms for 500 miles which on a designer stand pint dosnt make a whole lotta since but when they on that track it damn sure makes a whole lotta since to me lol. Stock v8 that produce 800 and up HP is AMERICA and it aches my bones when ppl say it’s just a bunch of cars doing circles for hours. So much more than tgat it’s our fricken birth right to go fast and mess shit up. Sry been drinking all night and just felt like ramblin. God bless nascar and those who drive and have live for the sport.
it kind of looks like toyota got ahold of a few other manufacturers engines and studied them and chose what they liked about them and this motor is the result of them all bundled up into one "toyota" motor i don't get how they are allowed to race it having never built/ produced a pushrod motor.. nevermind money is how none the less nice motor wish there were some hp tq numbers posted.
Because Nascar hasn't been based on production cars since the 70s. Homologation hasn't been a thing for quite some time. They built THIS pushrod engine specifically for this, because that's what the rules say you can do.
Number of Toyota parts in this engine = 0. They may as well give credit to the private company that designed it. Who was that? Proline? Cosworth? Illmore?
+Todd Johnson actually toyota has been dumping tons of money into r and d for nascar in fact they built a "small block" that has 600 cubic inches so you are right there is no toyota car parts in that motor but its made by toyota
+phil tripe The CFE "small block Chevy"?...another engine that has not one thing to do with a production engine, an OEM manufacturer or real "stock" cars. This is the kind of crap that killed NASCAR and turned it into the absolute mess that it is today. The SB2 started this and Toyota helped seal their fate. Empty stands at the Daytona 500 was something I never thought I would see but we have it now. May as well have Honda and Mini start the race next year with their V8 stock car.
You REALLY think fans care how much Ford or Chevy are in a race engine? You're an idiot. Attendance in NASCAR was climbing to its peaks as teams embraced technology from ALL makes including Honda.
You proved my point. NO...todays NASCAR fan could care less how much Ford or Chevy is in the car on the track. They have no idea which end the motor is in. Why would they have a shits care about manufacturer details. The cars are designed to be exactly the same regardless of make. Todays fan picks a favorite DRIVER or car color. That is why NASCAR attendance is DECLINING. Yes its going down. These people are on to the next thing. Empty stands are now common place and will continue to get worst. They earned though...idiot.
+Todd Johnson Are you serious?! NASCAR hasn't been what you think it is since the 60's. The same time period that tube frames and the mixing of engine technology became the norm is exactly the time period it began to climb in popularity. NASCAR's problem is they forgot their roots and the fans who made them what they were. The people who pushed NASCAR out of Southern markets based on fans changing tastes in sports along with the 1994 MLB Strike backlash are what caused what you described. Fans in the 60-70's could have given shakes a piss what bearings or bore spacing engines had. Toyota built this engine, like it or not based on the SAME specs Ford and Chevy use.
@Dailenth 2.0 I get that. I actually meant what "Kind" of dyno. Water brake, Torque coupler, absorption, bride, Eddy current,... There are different mechanisms used to measure torque. It is that mechanism I am interested in.
+jean luc Dubinator Nope, it's a pushrod cross plane. American simplicity coupled with exotic materials. More power than an F1 engine with a broader powerband for a fraction of the cost.
why has Toyota never made a push rod v8 for any of there cars and yet NASCAR allows this special purpose special made engine to be allowed in racing, I cant help notice sense Toyota got into NASCAR the attendance at races has gone down, I sure hope Honda does not get into NASCAR.
+luke gray Yeah, if it looks the same on the outside then it's undoubtedly the same inside too. Pardon my sarcasm. By that rationale the new Corvette looks an awful lot like the old Ferrari 599GTB.
+James Shunt its safe to assume you don't know much about either. Note the spacing between the center two exhaust ports and the spread on the intake. Toyota struggled for two years to qualify a car at the cup level much less be competitive until they signed over JGRs engine shop and engineers.
+luke gray It's safe to assume that *confimation* bias is something you're not aware of. For you to be aware of it would require self-insight and self-critique. I'll tell you how it works: You believe something. The reason for believing this is usually *very* personal. So you only look for "evidence" which confirms your already very rigid set of belief. Anything that disproves this is completely ignored or overlooked. Hence confirmation bias. Found in fanatics (regardless of belief). Who can trust a fanatic to be clear-minded and unbiased? Now let me ask you a few questions: 1. Is there some rule that says an engine can't follow an already proved formula and must look totally different in order not to arouse suspicion from the likes of you? 2. Has there ever been anything in the world of engineering, in all fields, that didn't draw inspiration from another design? Just from the automotive world you can find several hundreds of examples. The legendary Offenhauser engine was directly copied/inspired by the revolutationary Peugeout 4-valve racing engine which won everything all over the world in the early 1910's. The Peugeots were purchased and studied. 3. JGR is *private* owned which means that it's really *their* name should be on the engine, so why is this not clear to you? Whoever pays them for the job, be it Chevrolet or Toyota or frickin' Saturn doesn't matter. Chevrolet would be equally wrong to call it "their" engine when they paid for the naming rights just as much as Toyota did. I repeat, JGR is a private company. Whoever pays for their services is irrelevant. Well, just as long as it's not Toyota because that annoys the heck out of you. 4. Do you have any issues with Chevrolet always paying Ilmor Engineering (located in Brixworth, Northamptonshire, United Kingdom) for naming rights for their IndyCar engines Chevrolet didn't design a single bolt for? I suppose Chevrolet followed Ford's example by letting Cosworth (also in the UK) designing "their" engines. Cosworth wasn't even owned by Ford but by Vickers. Ilmor was never owned by GM either. 5. Are you honestly saying Chevrolet never copied concepts and designs of others? GM hasn't been at the forefront of automotive development for *decades* and had it not been for their truck division they'd go out of business long ago. Good thing the US government decided to save all the jobs. *You* are not fooling anyone.
The 5.8 litre V8 in my opinion is the worst sounding engine I’ve ever heard. The THREE racing engines that I think sound GLORIOUS are the F1 v6,V8,v10 and v12.
and yall act like NASCAR engines arent some ford blueprint.......then go on and talk about how a NON american v8 sounds "great" when its made in america.....of the NASCAR spec sheet and all of them all use ford racing/roush/etc implementations to get "Yields"......is it any different than a keith black hemi.......as if a toyota or etc "dragster" has some JDM in it. LMFAO yall give me a good kick in the threads
9500 rpm from a 5.8 V8. It doesn't matter what anybody says about NASCAR having a lack of tech or whatever. These engines are awesome.
Lack of tech? We need less tech in racing. Stability control and traction control on a stock car is blasphemous but I'd like too 6 or 4 banger stock cars, they'd be more believable
Stevie Jo I don’t think they have that though?
Like Porsche, its one cingular stubborn vision perfected.
It's all the same cars, completely not what the NASCAR was in it's original vision. It's so watered down now, it's hard to root for any car because essentially they are the same. the lack of tech is fine because its suppose to be stock cars.
@@thetreblerebelI agree it would be cooler if they were homologated or required to use factory engines, but its still crazy pushrods can do 9500rpm
This and the V10 Formula 1 engines are on another level.
Chit f1 was getting 900hp outta the 3l v10s..
@@dennisrobinson8008 But the Nascar engine will probably last longer, at least in theory, because lower speeds means less wear :)
See also: www.epi-eng.com/piston_engine_technology/comparison_of_cup_to_f1.htm
@@electric7487 It should. Piston speeds are actually higher on NASCAR due to the stroke. So you can't go by engine "RPM" alone.
@@dennisrobinson8008 gotta keep in mind that cascar engines are built to width stand speeds of 150 in corners and 200-215 on straights… and on the talledega super speed way they sometimes reach speeds of 220-225.. and on that track the corners are taken at about 160-170
@@That_Stanced_Toyota It’s closer to 170 in the corners and 190 on the straights on a 1.5mi track. At Talladega they just run 190 all the way around
This is the first dyno run of a real performance engine that I've seen where they didn't slam the throttle from full to shut-off in 0.001 second causing the whole engine to twist nearly off the mount. Good job.
The machine work to balance the rotating assembly to achieve those rpms is art in my opinion.
It's a 3-5% over balance
God that steady climb from 0:20 onwards was intoxicating. It sounds so mechanical. Just amazing.
I bet these guys can barely got outta bed each day knowing they have to drag into work and do this kinds of stuff.....NOT
@Barack Oh Bummer Yeah building engines seems like it would be horrible lol
I'll tell ya what it's really like. NO COFFEE necessary!!!
Love ❤️ the sound of a NASCAR engine!
Jack Mustang it sounds classic
Really neat to see air fuel ratio sensors for each cylinder. On the computer it’s the 8 bars next to each other, safe air fuel ration is green, yellow is lean, and then goes red when he lets out. They are targeting 12-12.5 AFR
Nice work on the part of Toyota's development team in building an engine that fits within Nascar rules. They already made good engines, but development is what racing is all about.
It's the best bits from chev ford and dodge.
I Love how a carbureted pushrod V8 jammed into a flying brick revs at over 9000 RPMs for up to 600 miles pushing 700 horsepower during a time when cars basically run on computers is more exciting when it goes in circles
This engine isnt carbureted...
He is correct there are two fuel rails up top, it’s port injected. The trottle body is a simular style to a carbertor though
Ali Shegarfi xfinity and truck series have carbureted engines
@@sethlayman5286 you're right.. the carbies made more power hahahaha over 1000hp when they let em go hahaha
It amazes me how far we’ve come along.
That engines sounds so fire
Sounds better than any import ever.
***** NHRA Pro Stock runs higher RPM. They are currently just over 11000 rpm.
+flying jellyfish It's a Toyota engine though.
for how long
Alexander Est designed,developed made in Costa Mesa California
@StormChaser Its cheaper to build a low rpm V8.
Takes some serious valve train to achieve those kinda rpms.
just pushrods bro lol nothing magical there
Everyone is complaining that Toyota didn't really make this engine but I don't really give a fuck who really made this engine. It has power, sounds wonderful, and I want 5 of them. :)
bloodykills 750 you can actually buy a crate nascar engine but i think they're about 40,000-80,000 US dollars lol
Matsuri Kudo and they last how much? 2000 miles?
well,typically most are built to run flat out for no more than 1,000 miles unfortunately
EDIT:but i suppose if you took extra good care of it you might get 1,250-1,500 miles without having to replace critical engine components,but this would basically mean giving it a full look-over,fluid checks pretty much tearing it down piece by piece after every time you drive it,which obviously would be very time consuming...but if you're that dedicated and patient (and have the know how) i said go for it,if you need more info just message me privately :) i'll tell you everything i know about them :D
Matsuri Kudo i rather just put in a LS 😂 all of that work is worth only for a full race spec track car. Speaking of that.. these engines are made to rev high for long time since there aren't deceleration and acceleration in NASCAR. I wonder how well it would perform on a race spec car on the ring
@@doc.voltold4232 there's a New Zealand based series called Central Muscle Cars that races 60's-80's muscle cars of which the faster cars run mostly Nascar engines. The example I'm showing is a Roush Yates but yeah ua-cam.com/video/8e9ecY2K4sc/v-deo.html.
Amazing sound, Amazing engine.
Robust engine.
Sounds fantastic!
MCQUEEN'S ENGINE, BABY!!!!
imagine being a dyno tech and doing runs on these engines
Put that engine in a Tacoma… 😂😂😂 Seriously somebody do that.
Someone just did 😂
@@evandommel9014 "You did it. You crazy son of a bitch, you did it."
I love American V8 sound.
wakwak It's a Toyota
Chief 1 The took the min/max dimensions of the existing NASCAR v8 engines (SB2.2, D3, R5/P7) to create the Toyota V8.
Nothing Toyota makes is in any way, shape, or form, similar to what is being produced for their standard cars available to the public.
Chief 1 Like they would ever use this engine in Japan. This is the American division of Toyota, so it would be American...with a Japanese name.
Chief 1 designed,developed and made in Costa Mesa California
KH990j there is one Japanese drifting team that uses the TRD nascar engine
Rare footage of a fire breathing anomaly separated from it's carbon fire/sheet metal exoskeleton. Its symphony is greatly appreciated by thee racing dwellers.
me: woooooow!!! nascar engine powered
nascar: bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhmmmmmmmmmuummmm
I want this engine in my 2014 Tacoma. The 4.0L V6 lacks some major balls.
does tundra V8 engine fit?
Hot, paused when the computer was showing 9300HP, that thing was making 760HP. Hot
Don't sound like they are even using the brake on it or putting a load on it much ! I think this is more of a tuning set up messing with timing and fuel curves !
I wish Indycar ran 6 litre quad cam 40 valve cross plane V8's with 3:1 Bore:Stroke ratio and pneumatic valves!
A engine with some real heart
Oh, sweet music!!!
( Bach Werke Verzeichnis): BWV 870 HP
HAHAHA..SWEET MUSIC!!!
Almost 10,000 RPMs...
I like this new ASMR channel
Wow, that takes Ba!!s; putting yourself and your window in the plane of Rotation !!
Look at them headers glow 👅
Put that in your Supra baby!
You can't buy a 2 door Toyota Camry let alone one that comes with a flat tappet in block camshaft? More Nascar nonsense. And now they want to let Honda into the sport. So much for the great American race.
would you watch it if it was stock mustangs and camrys?
About 750 crank hp at 9000rpm.
Thomas Griffin thank you
Aren’t there some 550 hp variants for certain tracks?
i want this engine on my Corolla
SAME!
I have 2001 Corolla this shit won’t fit at all lol
Blue Katana this is what’s in a cup series nascar bud 😂 just get a street legal nascar
That’s gonna be a shitload of understeer for a FWD 😂
Has anyone else always been able to hear that sound change in a V8 at like 8000-8500ish rpm? I've always been able to tell close to a V8's redline just by the sound.
valve float sound?
It just goes..and goes..and GOES!!
Nascar V8s doesn't mess around when it comes to RPMs.
Looks like an American pushrod V8...what's Toyota about it?
The engineering
Nascar forever! Just one question what is the max rev limiter?
At that point like 10000 but now maybe 9200
What parts exactly are Toyota parts? From my research Toyota hasn't produced a pushrod engine since the mid seventies..
in nascar you can either :a make your own engine to nascar specs or b:use a generic nascar engine given by them
Exactly no parts are production toyota parts
@@fattsthebavarian6104
Not production parts but all made by Toyota Racing development
so many petty regulations on every tiny bit of a race car makes them all the same and ruins the racing.
+Rose White go back to your f1 bullshit, I'd rather watch the leader have to battle to keep his lead than to see the leader disappear from the field
Manny Hysten wow, you have got your knickers in a twist haven't you?
Do yo have any plans to mature soon or intend to remain a child?
+Rose White I'm good but I don't like it when one or two drivers dominate the entire racing calendar. I'd rather have a racing series that gives all drivers a fair shot at a win every weekend instead of the top dogs winning the race in turn one.
+Rose White watch the Daytona 500 next year
Manny Hysten When the drivers have to race to amuse the crowd and not display pure driving ability and the mechanics cannot use ingenuity the racing gets pretty boring.
I've been watching racing all sorts of racing since about 1960 but today's racing is pretty boring and I rarely bother watching more than the first lap.
Over here in Europe the F1 drivers have whined about having to brake or turn corners and now they can run as wide as they want as the corners have been widened so much.
Luckily there is still plenty of car rallying on forest and hill roads to separate the men from the boys while the Isle of Man TT race is the pinnacle of bike handling.
We don't want to go back to see Joe Weatherly killed by a solid wall or Bill Vukovich flying over the rail but I'm sure in those days the racers earned their money and made a good show for the spectators.
Hey! it's Gary from CR . . . 0:10-0:40
it's all most 2017 here in the future, it's a option on the new trucks.
McQueen's engine???
Yes
What a sound...mmm.
My question is. How would you make a stock 5.8 build to reach 9500rpms? Would you need a different block material to handle it too?
In short you would need a single plane intake manifold, an extremely precisely balanced rotating assembly with lightweight forged rods and pistons with low drag rings and strong wrist pins, a huge solid roller cam with intake duration specs over 260 degrees at .050” lift, and some badass heads that flow over 350cfm. To build an engine like this yourself you’re still looking at over $10k
@@grantbowers2319 more like 25k
@@ChefofWar33 25k for a complete engine from a shop. If you’re gonna do most of the work yourself jt would be considerably less.
@@grantbowers2319 True
Designed developed and made in Costa Mesa California
Dang did I hear it sputter or was that a rev limitter. HAHA
VIsubby it only has one 😄
Lol the highest reving toyota engine is a pushrod v8.
What horsepower numbers did this motor put up and for what series is this motor for?
Approximately 800 horsepower and it is for the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series.
Sounds like FORD to me!
I love noisy engines, but I can't help myself from thinking how complicated and inefficient they are. An AC induction motor of this same power output would be very quiet and have one moving part. Electric cars are the future, but I will miss the noise and smell of gas engines.
Very true, but it is hard to get 825 hp from an electric engine without it being massive and heavy. Inefficient for a racing application.
You said it right: they are the future. For now, the present, the only efficient way of moving vehicles is using fossil power. Electric engines give instantaneous power and torque in a silent way, but for short amounts of time when not permanently plugged in. That's the very very major disadvantage, that a 150km autonomy isn't even near acceptable. If we were to consider that it has to charge 4 times more than it takes to drive those km, electric cars aren't reliable and worth buying. You can say that we can buy and use then inside the city for short distances, but i say that's even worse. Let's say that 1 in 10 people will be able to buy one of these bad boys and drive them ONLY inside the city. What does that mean? Over-agglomeration of our cities that already are full. It means an increase of 10% in the number of cars, which already isn't small. Yes, you'd say that the same number of cars will be on the road at any given time, and you'll be right from a mathematical pov, but in reality, those cars meant to be used for long distance trips have to be parked somewhere, which means taking a lot of valuable space and putting cars in it.
If you managed to read up to this point, i advise you to keep on going for a few more rows, because i have an off-topic opinion. IMO, the future will never be in electric cars if we don't invent some sort of special battery that will be able to store the same efficient energy but in a 50% or more volume and will be able to charge in a matter on tens of minutes, to make it worth considering as an everyday-allroads car. To be realistic, the only reliable fuel for the future cars is yet to be discovered, but it will most certainly be some sort of fast-and-cheap-to-produce-biodiesel capable of burning as clean as possible and at least as efficient as gasoline. Oh, and it has to be compatible with old-gen engines and require as-little-to-no modifications possible in order for it to be used by the masses.
For the near future, we shouldn't really worry about oil shortage, but it's price. Theoretically, we should be able to use it without problems for the next 50 years at least. I think that's plenty of time to develop an alternative.
I'm confident both you and me will not live to miss the sound and smell of internal combustion engines.
+Vicol Andrei you are on the right track but went off the rails a wee bit.
As you stated, currently we lack any form of battery technology that will make electric cars feasible in the foreseeable future.
I'll throw in the FACT that there is possibly far more than a hundred years supply (perhaps even three hundred) of petrochemical fuels available so conversion isn't a necessity cuz ya gotta know climate change is a hoax: how does paying higher taxes effect the weather? eh?
Just know that so-called biodiesel is on a par with the pseudoscience of growing corn to produce ethanol.
I'll attempt to explain it this way...
Currently we humans way access to 'energy' derived from two sources, the sun from energy stored in fossil fuels or sunlight and
energy 'stored' in Uranium/Thorium 'stored' within those elements via the r-process of a core-collapse supernova. (that pesky Quantum Mechanics thing yanno)
Since we foolishly refuse to vigorously pursue zero greenhouse gas emitting nuclear power we are going to be using fossil fuels for energy. (throw in the fact that U.S. coal power plants dump nearly 50 tons of mercury into the environment every year and we might reconsider this anti-nuclear idiocy)
So to put this in layman's terms:
electrical power generation is approximately 35% thermal efficient and so is a modern internal combustion engine.
Electrical power generated by fossil fuel in a power plant at 35% efficiency (thermal) incurs losses in the power grid, losses when stored and then withdraw from a battery (not to mention the total lack of energy density of current battery technology) and yes even at 90+ percent conversion efficiency in a motor another Loss of Energy.
For road going vehicles it just makes sense to burn the fossil fuel in the bloody car at 35% efficiency and tell the climate change hoaxers to stick their taxation up their wazoo's
at least until next century when commercially feasible fusion reactors become possible thereby giving mankind damn near free, zero pollution, unfricken-limited, electrical energy.
By then we should have better batteries, Hell for all I know room temperature superconductivity might be a normal thing?!?
So all hail hydrocarbons,
'Murica currently the world's #1 oil producer
rock on internal combustion engines.
Hell Yeah!
slug Face I think 300 years worth of fossil fuel is a bit of an overstatement.
Even so, assuming we have aeons worth of oil and coal to fuel our evergrowing need of energy and power, that's not what matters.
What we should worry about is if we can handle all those emissions. This January has been the hottest one in 150 years of recordings. As was december and november and october and so on. And this is not a simple coincidence, the planet is really warming.
Life will not perish, this shouldn't be our concern. Life is waaay harder to kill than with a bit of carbon monoxide. We, on the other hand, will not really cope with those changes. But fuck us..
***** So called Climate Change is a religion not science. That aside, if the use of fossil fuels is to be curtailed to forego some unforeseen change in the weather, based on not hard science but of all things 'synthesis reports' ! Who in their right mind would consult believers in such pseudoscience as anthropogenic global warming for an alternative to fossil fuels? If you do you'd prolly end up with some hogwash about Green Energy.
I will point out that the perfect solution is already available but the same cadre of not so well informed folks that put the kibosh on this 100% safe, zero emission, virtually unlimited source of energy, starting with the harmless release of a minute amount of radioactive noble & radioiodine gases back in 79 are the same kinda folks that fear melting icecaps and ozone holes.
Hanoi Jane's broken ankle during the filming of China Syndrome caused her to stop ballet practice and take up aerobics which led to her famous exercise home video franchise, I contend caused far more injury to the American populace than Three Mile Island, The March 22nd 1975 Brown's Ferry Incident (which the movie was modeled after) and the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident all rolled into one, (i.e. zero casualties).
Nope the emerging economies of China and India are right now belching out ever increasing greenhouse gases and no amount of Save the Whales whining will slow them down one iota.
What was the FINAL HORSEPOWER number after those Dyno runs?
Nasty !!
What's a Nascar Engine cost these days? $80,000-$120,000 ???
May I know what type of engine the Nascar car uses?
Too bad you can't buy any Toyota with this phantom V8 engine.
That is a Ford/Chevy/Dodge engine. the best of those three, That's what the Asians always do, reverse engineer. It's very smart just not innovative.
The rules are so strict it they basically have to make a copy. The problem is NASCAR isn't innovative.
The rumors from 13 or so years ago was Toyota showed up with a design without communicating with NASCAR. NASCAR rejected the engine. Rumor has it NASCAR gave Toyota in house plans to the Chevy motor which had been redesigned with canted valves like the Ford had. They told yoter to build this and try again. And thus the Toyota Cup motor was born. This was reported in the media at the time. Fake news? Who the hell can tell anymore? But that's my story and I'm sticking to it. lol
A 3UR-FE modified would wipe the floor with any Chevy small block, too bad Toyota can’t run it.
NASCAR died the day TOYOTA came into the sport. It has been down hill ever since!
@@sasquatch7234 yeah he’s crazy it’s really because Dodge left the sport and other American brands like Buick who really need it won’t compete
Omgggg.... unbelievable, listen at that thing...
Whatever happened to that Slick 50 oil additive?
Nothing like the sound of a small block na
Does anyone know the engine code (engine number)...???
All these engines are the same. They all have to make these engines so close the "NASCAR Spec" that it's not even the original anymore... and that goes for all cars for people who are saying there are no Toyota parts or this motor doesn't reflect anything in the Toyota market. I really don't understand how people can get hyped on any Nascar motor...
Whats your point? Its racing. Everythings bespoke. Toyota's F1 engines weren't 2JZ's with parts over-nighted from Japan.
XelNagaStalker They're all the same spec, but it's a pushrod V8 that can rev to 10 grand. It shouldn't even work.
TRD designed , cast in Brazil and France and Ohio , Machined in Cali .
They aren't spec engines though. Teams still have design freedom on certain parts of the engines.
How much power would this output with a big roots blower?
Well past 1,000 on a very conservative tune. NA it’s capable of a solid 900+. They’re nuts. Though you must consider this is built entirely for natural aspiration. Some cars are made to breathe the same uncompressed air you and I breathe, just like god intended.
whith the mainfold restrictor?
It’s called the restrictor plate by nascar and it’s almost like a massive throttle body spacer that sits under the intake mani allowing the shorter rods to use push more air / fuel in the combustion chamber enabling higher speeds since the compression ratio is kinda like a 2 stroke dirt bike than a trail riding 4 stroke , much more wound up giving both better throttle response and keeping a strong rpm level through the gears instead of dropping off quicker just more efficient use of air and gas compression in the 2 valve per cylinder nascar engines. This cones with twisting and jerking of the block due to so much tourqe those v8 throw out because of sacrificing long time durability with heavier parts something they don’t have to worry about since they use a new engine every race or most well known companies with the money due. Believe when anasxar race is over that engine is warped in all sorts of ways but using lighter parts shorter rods not helpful in everyday driver but Is a devil on the track, those engines are meant to preform wide open upwards of 10k rpms for 500 miles which on a designer stand pint dosnt make a whole lotta since but when they on that track it damn sure makes a whole lotta since to me lol. Stock v8 that produce 800 and up HP is AMERICA and it aches my bones when ppl say it’s just a bunch of cars doing circles for hours. So much more than tgat it’s our fricken birth right to go fast and mess shit up. Sry been drinking all night and just felt like ramblin. God bless nascar and those who drive and have live for the sport.
@@brentbishop3099 so it's basically more venturies that are after the ones on the carb
O melhor ruido de motor de todos
it kind of looks like toyota got ahold of a few other manufacturers engines and studied them and chose what they liked about them and this motor is the result of them all bundled up into one "toyota" motor i don't get how they are allowed to race it having never built/ produced a pushrod motor.. nevermind money is how none the less nice motor wish there were some hp tq numbers posted.
Because Nascar hasn't been based on production cars since the 70s. Homologation hasn't been a thing for quite some time. They built THIS pushrod engine specifically for this, because that's what the rules say you can do.
V8 Ford 😂💪🔥
Jay K Alamo bruh it’s a Chevy design
Number of Toyota parts in this engine = 0. They may as well give credit to the private company that designed it. Who was that? Proline? Cosworth? Illmore?
+Todd Johnson actually toyota has been dumping tons of money into r and d for nascar in fact they built a "small block" that has 600 cubic inches so you are right there is no toyota car parts in that motor but its made by toyota
+phil tripe The CFE "small block Chevy"?...another engine that has not one thing to do with a production engine, an OEM manufacturer or real "stock" cars. This is the kind of crap that killed NASCAR and turned it into the absolute mess that it is today. The SB2 started this and Toyota helped seal their fate. Empty stands at the Daytona 500 was something I never thought I would see but we have it now. May as well have Honda and Mini start the race next year with their V8 stock car.
You REALLY think fans care how much Ford or Chevy are in a race engine? You're an idiot. Attendance in NASCAR was climbing to its peaks as teams embraced technology from ALL makes including Honda.
You proved my point. NO...todays NASCAR fan could care less how much Ford or Chevy is in the car on the track. They have no idea which end the motor is in. Why would they have a shits care about manufacturer details. The cars are designed to be exactly the same regardless of make. Todays fan picks a favorite DRIVER or car color. That is why NASCAR attendance is DECLINING. Yes its going down. These people are on to the next thing. Empty stands are now common place and will continue to get worst. They earned though...idiot.
+Todd Johnson Are you serious?! NASCAR hasn't been what you think it is since the 60's. The same time period that tube frames and the mixing of engine technology became the norm is exactly the time period it began to climb in popularity. NASCAR's problem is they forgot their roots and the fans who made them what they were. The people who pushed NASCAR out of Southern markets based on fans changing tastes in sports along with the 1994 MLB Strike backlash are what caused what you described. Fans in the 60-70's could have given shakes a piss what bearings or bore spacing engines had. Toyota built this engine, like it or not based on the SAME specs Ford and Chevy use.
What numbers did it pull ?
sounds like
I'm looking to have my life changed are you willing to teach me
I have not seen that particular type of dyno. What is it?
@Dailenth 2.0 I get that. I actually meant what "Kind" of dyno. Water brake, Torque coupler, absorption, bride, Eddy current,... There are different mechanisms used to measure torque. It is that mechanism I am interested in.
So if I had a 5.86L OHV V8 engine, what kind of exhaust pipes and headers do I need to make it sound as awesome as this engine?
straight pipes that connect to a Nascar boom box exhaust
numbers?
what size motor do nascar cars have now in cubic inches?
358
AMERICAN POWER.
How do they get it to rev like that ? Flat plane crank ?
+jean luc Dubinator Nope, it's a pushrod cross plane. American simplicity coupled with exotic materials. More power than an F1 engine with a broader powerband for a fraction of the cost.
+SAVikingSA really, so what's the displacement of this engine 6-7 litres ? Are they still carbureted
jean luc Dubinator
5.7L / 358 cubic inches, and they are fuel injected now.
+SAVikingSA price range ? 10 - 30K
Lightly used ones are right in the middle, about $20k
Imagine it can fit in the Scion tC
Carguy 45 hehehe Tanner Foust
or it can fit in a skyline
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How much for one of these?
No clue. But Texas Speed and Proformance could probably hook you up with an LSX 427 that could make the same power
Toyota is better than Ford and Chevy.
Machiavelli666 Toyota is a mix of both Ford and Chevy
Hey toyota im bald and middle aged. Hire me please.
Front wheel drive NASCAR import.
MARSHALL Amp Understeer galore
why has Toyota never made a push rod v8 for any of there cars and yet NASCAR allows this special purpose special made engine to be allowed in racing, I cant help notice sense Toyota got into NASCAR the attendance at races has gone down, I sure hope Honda does not get into NASCAR.
Hey, that looks an awful lot like an old JGR Chevrolet engine. Stop it Toyota, you're not fooling anyone.
+luke gray Yeah, if it looks the same on the outside then it's undoubtedly the same inside too. Pardon my sarcasm. By that rationale the new Corvette looks an awful lot like the old Ferrari 599GTB.
+James Shunt its safe to assume you don't know much about either. Note the spacing between the center two exhaust ports and the spread on the intake. Toyota struggled for two years to qualify a car at the cup level much less be competitive until they signed over JGRs engine shop and engineers.
+luke gray It's safe to assume that *confimation* bias is something you're not aware of. For you to be aware of it would require self-insight and self-critique. I'll tell you how it works: You believe something. The reason for believing this is usually *very* personal. So you only look for "evidence" which confirms your already very rigid set of belief. Anything that disproves this is completely ignored or overlooked. Hence confirmation bias.
Found in fanatics (regardless of belief). Who can trust a fanatic to be clear-minded and unbiased?
Now let me ask you a few questions:
1. Is there some rule that says an engine can't follow an already proved formula and must look totally different in order not to arouse suspicion from the likes of you?
2. Has there ever been anything in the world of engineering, in all fields, that didn't draw inspiration from another design? Just from the automotive world you can find several hundreds of examples. The legendary Offenhauser engine was directly copied/inspired by the revolutationary Peugeout 4-valve racing engine which won everything all over the world in the early 1910's. The Peugeots were purchased and studied.
3. JGR is *private* owned which means that it's really *their* name should be on the engine, so why is this not clear to you? Whoever pays them for the job, be it Chevrolet or Toyota or frickin' Saturn doesn't matter. Chevrolet would be equally wrong to call it "their" engine when they paid for the naming rights just as much as Toyota did.
I repeat, JGR is a private company. Whoever pays for their services is irrelevant. Well, just as long as it's not Toyota because that annoys the heck out of you.
4. Do you have any issues with Chevrolet always paying Ilmor Engineering (located in Brixworth, Northamptonshire, United Kingdom) for naming rights for their IndyCar engines Chevrolet didn't design a single bolt for? I suppose Chevrolet followed Ford's example by letting Cosworth (also in the UK) designing "their" engines. Cosworth wasn't even owned by Ford but by Vickers. Ilmor was never owned by GM either.
5. Are you honestly saying Chevrolet never copied concepts and designs of others? GM hasn't been at the forefront of automotive development for *decades* and had it not been for their truck division they'd go out of business long ago. Good thing the US government decided to save all the jobs.
*You* are not fooling anyone.
+James Shunt. Whoa! I'm sorry. I'm not worth that much time I promise. I just took a little jab at TRD that's all.
+luke gray YOU mean copy of a FORD CLEVELAND style engine....LOL
chevy copied Ford first. LOL
canted valve small blocks.....
Porn.. just porn . Wow
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V8 Toyota 🧐
That's not a toyota engine
For an erection lasting longer than 4hrs....
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Not an America v8 though !!
Look like a ford engine
Nothing cool about a toyota.
The 5.8 litre V8 in my opinion is the worst sounding engine I’ve ever heard. The THREE racing engines that I think sound GLORIOUS are the F1 v6,V8,v10 and v12.
and yall act like NASCAR engines arent some ford blueprint.......then go on and talk about how a NON american v8 sounds "great" when its made in america.....of the NASCAR spec sheet and all of them all use ford racing/roush/etc implementations to get "Yields"......is it any different than a keith black hemi.......as if a toyota or etc "dragster" has some JDM in it. LMFAO yall give me a good kick in the threads