Collider Heroes - Was X-Men: Apocalypse A Box Office Disappointment?
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Welcome to the 59th Episode of Collider’s Heroes, hosted by Jon Schnepp, with regular guests John Campea, Amy Dallen and Robert Meyer Burnett. On this episode of Collider’s Heroes (Tuesday May 31st, 2016) we discuss:
-Heroes is moving to Wednesdays
-The Rock cast as Doc Savage
-X-Men: Apocalypse box office and what's next
-Captain America revealed as a Hydra Agent in the comics
-Rosa Salazar cast in Battle Angel: Alita
-Minor Mutations
-Flashback
-Spotlight
-Collider Heroes is Moving to Wednesdays
Collider Heroes is moving to Wednesday! Set your calendar everyone, because the Collider Heroes Panel will be even sweatier! Next week, Tuesday, is the premiere of Collider Nightmares, a show dedicated to all things horror and it will be hosted by our own scream queen Clarke Wolfe, with Perri Nemiroff, Mark Reilly and myself talking about ghoulish cinematic nightmares and bloody good series to watch, like The Conjuring 2...so now Collider Heroes will be let loose on Comic Book Day, Wednesday, the sweatiest day of the week!
The Rock is Doc Savage!
Yes, this man is literally in everything, and that’s totally okay for the Collider Heroes panel. The Rock is Hobbs, he’s in Baywatch, he’s Black Adam, he’s in some new Ludlum Cinematic Universe and now he’s Doc Savage in writer director Shane Black's next film after he rocks the new Predator! Doc Savage is indeed the very first super-man, introduced in the pulp magazine that brought us The Shadow, and The Phantom. In fact many say Doc Savage was the inspiration for Superman! The Rock announced the casting via his Facebook page saying that the #1 reason he is most excited... is because "HE'S A F*CKING HILARIOUS WEIRDO!" The panel talk all about the Doc Savage film and what The Rock and Shane Black will bring to the adaptation.
X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office and the Future
X-Men: Apocalypse opened here in the states to a solid $65 million, much less than was expected; with mixed critical reviews and audience word of mouth affecting the box office. Bryan Singer and Simon Kinberg have been very vocal about the upcoming X-men, New Mutants, Deadpool and Wolverine films and what they hold for the future. The panel go into detail about the future of the mutants over at Fox and look at what we might be able to expect from the X-men franchise.
Lex Luthor Returns for Justice League
Jesse Eisenberg let people know over the weekend that Lex Luthor will be returning in the Justice League film, currently in production. Though details were pretty scarce on just how involved he will be in the movie, Eisenberg did confirm his return, saying he's excited to be a part of the new movie and to get his turn.
Captain America: Hydra Agent
Marvel did a massive shake-up for their Captain America comics line, revealing that Steve Rogers betrayed his team saying “Hail Hydra” in the last panel. The news was heard around the world, to noticeably mixed reactions. Even the writer was getting death threats! Every single person on social media it seemed was weighing in with their own opinions and so, the Heroes panel offer their own thoughts and look towards the future of the series and how it might affect the MCU.
Rosa Salazar Cast as Battle Angel: Alita
The much talked about Manga comics adaptation has found its Alita in actress Rosa Salazar. The film is going to be directed by Robert Rodriguez and produced by James Cameron, who is currently busy directing four consecutive Avatar sequels. The panel look at the casting news and wonder what a Battle Angel movie will look like on the big screen!
Minor Mutations:
Flashback - Blade Trinity (2004)
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1) I'm a bit flabbergasted by the mixed/negative reaction to X-men: Apocalypse. It was one of those rare films where I was giddy/excited/thrilled from beginning to end. Loved it! Also, it might actually be my favorite X-men film.
2) I'm happy to hear Eisenberg will be back as Lex in Justice League Part 1! I'm part of the minority that loved BvS and I'm part of the even smaller minority that loved Eisenberg's performance as Lex. Looking forward to seeing more from him and to see how the character has changed after the events of BvS.
it's also my favorite team X film right barely beating first class
From what understand consensus why such negativity and mixed reaction to this film, is people got to use to serious drama, that last two xmen films had, and the last wolverine film had.
Now seem be heading back to themes of first 3 films, which i fine with, honestly i didn't hate film i liked it, but i felt had way to many mutant cameos, and apcoclypse, way they did him seem just little to reminscent of The mummy yeah stephen sommers one.
I disagree on apocalypse, its a really bad overstuffed film.
But I do agree on Lex, I really loved him BvS.
Me three! Definitely my favorite! I'm so confused by the negative reviews. Don't really get what people could've hated
It was a total and utter mental mess, and I loved it for it. Shlock, shlock!
I really don't like what Amy said about Captain America and Nazism. Is this where we have reached? People are so neurotic and immature that you can no longer explore what is obviously a temporary plotline because it hurts their feelings? This is the kind of shit that leads to the bland, sanitized fiction that plagues so many genres. People have to start pushing back against this.
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nah she makes a good point actually. it's a totally legit reason to be uncomfortable by it for some ppl.
A make believe story, about a make believe character who turns out to be a member of a make believe organisation? And best of all, this will not last. It's typical comic writing. They undo these things all the time.
+Joel Henry right, and she wasn't arguing against HydraCap, she was just saying she can empathize with people who are made uncomfortable by the storyline
I agree with Amy's point and I do not like it. the reason I do not like it, cause it is lazy and cheap pr stunt. marvel has been pushing these cheap stunts for awhile and this is just to far for me. so I am out.
I don't get how John is behind the genius of Lex Luthor in BvS, but craps on Zemo and his plan
It confuses me too, you wanna talk about convenient how the hell did Lex even know where superman's mother was in the first place, and why did'nt Superman hear her.
agreed, doesn't make sense how anyone could be ok with lex and then say zemo was bad. doesn't make any sense. kinda lost respect for his opinion now
+B-dawg8504 luthor making supes and bats fight seems illogical because superman could totally search for his mom on his own in a fraction of a fraction of the hour he was given without even meeting up to fight batman. Zemo didn't want the avengers to fight, just ironman and captain America, the two most influential of the team. Everything else was adapted into the plan like broad strokes, something I beleive a former death squad secret agent could pull off if he was still under the radar. I completely respect your argument. but in my humble opinion Zemo is the lesser ridiculous of the two.
+Anthony Cruz he didn't he just saw an opportunity and took it nowhere does he say he planned for iron man to fly there
I'm honestly confused also Luther was lucky and has absolutely no motive he claims to want to kill a false god but then he creates monster to destroy the world? Wtf is up with him
Dammit we need Amy Girl on EVERY Show!!!
shes an amazing host that simple
I agree she is awesome.
Completly agreed. The show wouldnt be the same without her.
Completly agreed. The show wouldnt be the same without her.
Agree.
I hate that the normal reaction to comic creativity is death threats. This happened with Spider-man and now with Cap. Among others. Death Threats are not the way!
Fucking keyboard courage embarrassing
the internet shed light on many closet assassins it seems.
Amy has no idea how cute she is... no idea.
That makes her even more cute i think
+Slim413rd Woo Woo Woo watch your mouth man! It's adorable, not adorkable.
she's so petite she makes that coffee look HUGE. I cant tell if its a trenta or venti.
I found X-Men Apocalypse to be very mediocre. It had a lot of potential, but had an overbundance of characters and I did not enjoy the new cast more than the original cast. Sophie Turner was probably the best of all of them and she didn't impressed me all that much to be honest. Apocalypse was a weak villain and his motivations didn't even make sense. His four horsemen (aside from Magneto) don't do anything and he just picks them at random. The ending was terrible and nothing really made sense. The relationship between Charles and Magento was by far the best part of the film for me and the forest scene was the best and most memorable scene of the film.
Compare to Civil War, OF COURSE!!! no DUH!! compare to Batman v Superman, still a much much better movie.
+KC Nwaneri ok dc fanboy
really? I thought sophie turner was the weakest of the new cast.
Moreso than Oliva Munn?
apart from her. Should've classified I'm on about the young cast, not 35 year old Olivia Munn.
"There has never been a time in human history where self righteous anger wasn't popular." Best line of the video.
The over-reaction to Captain America almost makes me wish the Internet didn't exist. This is really last days of Rome going on right now.
It's fucking sad the level of entitlement is sickening
its a cheap story by marvel for only shock value bcz they knew dc rebirth was going to be better and they have run out of stories for cap so #FuckMarvel
ah i see a DC fanboy mad cause Marvel stole their thunder.
Yeah Rit!
It was a dumb comic issue anyway.. idk why anyone gave it any attention tbh
Apocalypse is too big of a character to fit into just one movie..I would prefer if they just trap him..and use it again in the future for a proper Age of Apocalypse.
agreed
Definitely. It was too much to do in one movie, especially with all the new characters they had to introduce.
this should've been two parts how Infinity War will be
+B-dawg8504 I meant Justice League
Mason Darkly Matthew Vaughn,Joss Weadon,or David Fincher can take his place
I think Red Skull implanted false memories in Cap during Avengers Standoff event. There was this one scene where Red Skull defended Cap and it was weirdly out of place, like a setup for something. And the girl in flashbacks is rocking a lot of red.
It was a really bad film, and box office wise it is a dissapointment, likely making less than DOFP a or Deadpool. Still a profit though.
worst lex ever. could u imagine if they went with Bryan Cranston. Holy shit. would have been amazing
How? If it was Cranston, that wouldn't have changed the script. It would have been exact same lines, the exact same actions, doing the exact same things, the (almost) exact same way Snyder would have wanted it performed.
+ColliderVideos I disagree. wouldn't have looked as childish or come of as playful. the same lines can be delivered much differently by talented people. I thought Cavill's lines stunk but he did them well. And to the batman person, affleck nailed and he was the one I thought would ruin the movie for me. all that being said I liked the movie. they just crammed to much shit into it and the Martha thing was ridiculous as was jesse eisenburg or however u spell it. Maybe it's cause I'm 37 and saw gene Hackman do it brilliantly I'm bias. just my opinion. I could be totally wrong. they hired the kid for a reason. just was a little to riddlery for me
Love Cranston but he could of played a Spacey's Lex / same type. They went for a different Lex, I think its less the actor and more the type of Lex that is bothering people. My 10c.
+Marc-Alexandre Plouffe I could buy that
+Marc-Alexandre Plouffe I could buy that
no idea why people disliked it I thought it was awesome I can't see anything wrong with it I left and wanted to see it again
The problem is: First Class and Days of Future Past were great, Apocalypse is just good.
+Chuck Finley I can't see anything wrong with it I grew up with X Men always loved it watched all the cartoons read some of the comics glad I watch beyond the trailer she loves it as much as me. everything I ever wanted but then that's me. suppose it's personal preference
I've been seeing a lot of people question why Apocalypse needs horsemen. (Possible spoilers) I think one major reason, as we see in the films, is to protect him during his body transfers. Possibly the biggest reason is, because as he said to Xavier, he cannot be everywhere at once. So he basically uses them as enforcers of his will where he cannot physically be present. As for his motives, they are the same as they are with the comic version of him: survival of the fittest.
My favourite Richard E Grant role was the 9th Doctor, there was a series of animated shorts in-which Grant was officially the 9th Doctor & the Master was his companion. :P
I really like apocolypse it has problems but overal i thought it was good. A strong 7.6/10
#givemarveltofox #givestarwarsbacktofox
I agree. The things I liked about the movie surpass things i didn't and it was an enjoyable movie.
Gabriel Palacios exactly its a step down from dofp but it wasnt a f4 or even a bvs
definitely not f4 bad
+Gabriel Palacios not even X3 bad
I really liked Apocalypse, It's not perfect but it's nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be. A lot of unfair nitpicking and bandwagoning. And yes I thought the Quicksilver scene was better then the DOFP one (which was also awesome). I do think they wasted Apocalypse and didn't even seed the idea of aliens which they had the perfect opportunity to do with Apocalypse's alien armor (or lack thereof) which can lead into the Phoenix.
Ryan Reynolds admitted that if it wasn't for Blade 3 , he would have never have became Deadpool. Thank you for Hannibal King
I saw an interview with the girl who played Jubilee on IGN. She said she didn't know what to expect because the script was always changing. It's probably why the movie is unorganized.
you wanna know why x men failed NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD MOVIE TICKETS SO MUCH seriously when you consider normal working people they cant be spending money every 2 weekends to watch a superhero movie its that simple
Don't know about "that simple", but it's 100% a contributing factor. I spent my extra coin on taking myself wife and son to go see Civil War. The only reason i got to see Apocalypse is because a friend took me for my birthday present from him. Otherwise would have had to wait until midmonth, if not until July.
True so many big movies come out every week now because they want a summer spot like shit there are four seasons spread yourselves out
Especially when the average price for a movie ticket is $13 - $16 like it is here in New York. I didn't see the film this weekend because I was broke. I'll probably see it next weekend.
Thank God My movie theatre has 5 dollars tuesday for every movie. If not I'd be broke
Agree 100%. I have lost count of the amount of times someone here on youtube has called me a hater ( or worse ) because I dare to say I'm not going to see a movie. I don't have 8 hours to spare to get to the nearest Cinema every time a movie comes out. And the $70+ I have to spend to get there is not overflowing out of my pockets. I know not every country is like mine but we have free TV over here that will show all movies eventually. If I miss it at the cinemas then I'll just watch it on TV if I am still interested.
I feel like Robert may have a bias lol
Please fire anyone who liked Jessie Eisenberg as Lex
#givejessieeisenbergbacktofacebook
cough* Zack cough* Snyder
+David N. #givezackbacktomtvmusicvideos
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there were actually a fair number of critics who disliked the film but loved Lex.
I'm beginning to suspect Campea has seen Suicide Squad already. This gives me great comfort because he is very enthusiastic about it.
+samwellard7 like your mother right?
The thing with x men is that it came out at the wrong time and the marketing was not as impressive as the other superhero movies. Plus it didn't have the mass appeal that the past 3 superhero movies did. Deadpool had the best marketing ever. Batman and Superman are in the same movie which was super hyped up. Then Civil War aka Avengers 2.5 ft spiderman. X men just couldn't measure up. The appeal wasnt there and the trailers didn't have that spark that the other 3 movies had. So thats why x men had a weak box office
#givemarveltofoxsowecanseeseriousmovies
Amy is my nerd crush!!! great show guys!!!
Ditto
I think this whole Captain America thing stems from the misuse of the cosmic cube.
If Amy can't be on as much, they should give her a solo show. I would watch every minuet if she was the only one on camera. She is so captivating and awesome.
It's weird the middle ground on critics reviews is getting lost. I don't know if it's because of the outrage culture or social media bandwagons but it's getting crazy. A film nowadays is either amazing or garbage ...There's no grey area at all... its stupid.
x-men apoc is is a good film with problems. its not awful and it's not as good all as x-2 or dofp. maybe a 65-75% (6.5-7.5/10). If u watch it u'll enjoy it...so watch it.
It's because there are so many generic superhero films.
At least they didn't ruin any characters like X-3 and make it that bad.
Well I don't know what you mean you said it was alright and it has an alright score and you have it an alright score so I am confused
You are hating on reviews yet agreeing with them??
ca20mn it has an alright score here but look at thr majority of 'critic' reviews online or in need papers n u'll see what I mean
Vk Deen
It's a mix between people half liked it and half didn't like it just like BVS.
I just want a really good Superman movie.
superman 1978
i love MoS, don't hate it like most people but masterpiece might be a bit much.
erosion271 the 1978 film is a masterpiece.
wouldn't call that a masterpiece either. Brilliant nostalgic film but it doesn't hold up anymore tbh.
It manages to skirt the line between cheese and brilliance. It's smarter than about 95% of the hero movies made today, especially the dialogue.
I wanted to see if they talked about Rebirth and they barely mentioned it. Such a shame. One of the best DC comics in years.
Apocalypse needed the Horsemen to protect him while he was transferring himself to Professor X because when he is doing that he is vulnerable.
I like the part where John named a bunch of different bags of shit. hahaha
X-Men: Apocalypse is awesome. Can't wait for the next X-Men movie
Robert Meyer Burnett kills every episode adding comic insight and explaining all of his thoughts in such a concise manner. Keep up the good work buddy
My favorite xmen movie..... As a 90s kid & somebody who loved the animated series, this movie felt like it was designed for me. I loved it.
Xmen was a let down. It didn't brake any new ground. Apocalypse was a week villian. The 4 horsemen was week. Bad script. No Character development in the character. I'm sorry Im not feeling Jennifer Lawerance as Mystic and the leader of the X-men. I get it DOFP changed everything I'm still not feeling it.
Dude did watch watch the movie. EXAMPLE : opening scene Apocalypse tranfering his consciousness to anothe mutant, Egyptians tried to kill him 4 hoursemen tried to protected him which led to the temple being destroyed and him being buried. Next scene Jennifer Lawerance (aka Catnis ) Help nightcrawler escape the cage fight scene with angel.
XmenMagnetoAcolytes you realize you look stupid getting mad at my opinion over a movie. While your entiled to your opinion if you disagree with mine how about you get out of your famine emotional panties and have a conversation like a grown up
+Cory Weston you realize you sound like an idiot get upset over my opinion of the movie. You realize its a movie not real life not facts.
+Amy Dallen Nice Doom shirt!
Seriously!
"There has never been a time in history when self-righteous anger wasn't popular." Well said, Amy.
Erik Lehnsherr's storyline in the film was my favorite period. I think seeing him trying to lead a normal life with his wife and daughter was just beautiful and at the same time seeing his past coming back to haunt him was just tough. He wanted to put his past behind but just couldn't seem to escape it and going through the loss of losing his family was just painful. Fassbender really nails it perfectly.
"I like Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor"
And yet Campea is still seen as a comic nerd. I don't get it.
Superman Birthright Lex is what Jesses Lex Luthor is based of
You must not read comics.
He might say slightly negative things here and there about DC movies, but he will never say that any of them are bad movies it's just how he is like a lot of fans out there. Same thing goes with Luthor, "I didn't like the Lex and batman prison scene, I also don't hate Lex."
Chatroom Goon I have a weekly comic pick-up of between £20-30 ( like $30-45) a week at my local comic store, and you look entirely too old to be using such a cliché diss, against a stranger on the internet.
Despite it sharing a similarity to the aforementioned title, that depiction of Lex was quite clearly dislike by the wide percentage of comic fans and movie goers. Sometime being too apologetic for your favourite things, doesn't make them better in the long run. Kind of thankful I'm on the side of near enough the whole panel, rather than the Fant4stic trailer apologist lol.
Hate to say this but James lent his name to that new terminator movie
he totally did, its true
he endorsed 3 as well I think. They must have just chucked a load at him. Difference here though is he's been wanting to make this for a while
I just want to see THIS Cyclops, THIS, Jean Grey, THIS STORM. This was a great set forward. Guys not ALL superhero movies have to follow what Marvel studios does
I'm not even half way through this episode, but DAMN. This is one of the better episodes y'all have ever done. The points. The content. The enthusiasm, and Camera's smug control.... friggin love today. Thank you. FYI:. Miss ya , Campea. Thanks for popping in . Y'all are all just on fire tonight.
Campea....not camera.
Loved X-Men! Please kill Mystique . . .her character's relevance hinges on the actor's fame. She had many cringe worthy moments and perhaps the worst speech in cinematic history at the end :( I like Jennifer, but this performance hurt.
they made 65mil domestic. that is not good for the franchise and 101 mil global. Its not doing doing well as a franchise movie. I get it you like and I don't. But box offers shows allot peoole isn't feeling it and word of mouth and divided feeling shows why it didn't make it's mark.
who cares,Fox is Keeping X-Men Anyways
just Bring Back Matthew Vaughn
+Aaron Trainor yeah
it has made over 250 mil world wide.
in a bigger scheme it will be revealed that cap needed to pose as hydra-agent to infiltrate and do greater good.
I think the reason for the widespread reaction to the Captain America turn is that while comic book sales are not what they were some decades ago, the cinematic universe has made the characters more popular than comics ever could. The market is way bigger and so the impact is way greater.
Very true
Is it wrong that I see the Comedian as the embodiment of American values and ideals?
I would say he's not, but you can view him as a perversion or realist take on those ideals and values.
+Keenan McXarty Yeah he's what humanity is, a sick joke
Someone just told me today that X-Men Apocalypse is better than Captain America Civil War...... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
I haven't seen the film yet so can't really say but I've also heard this comment and it makes me laugh. the trailers (all three) still didn't get me hyped for this film.
Did they give any reasonable reasons?
+Dom Anthony Jesus I know the marketing, like Campea said, wasn't that good compared to others like Civil War and I think that's why this was low on my most anticipated comic book movies of the year list
+VMG3001 they said that it was better executed, it was ''wavey'' loool. They also said they found Cap corney and Spider-Man was asking too many questions.
+Dont Worry looool Civil War, for me, is the greatest comic book movie of all time along with Dark Knight (maybe Winter Soldier as well). Don't get me wrong I liked Apocalypse but Civil War is on a different level.
A lot of the more logical criticism over the Cap double agent reveal I've seen has been precisely because no-one who reds comics regularly believes it will stick and that it's just for sensationalism. It's remaking a character for shock value and then finding a way to quickly return to the status quo.
Most detractors were busy debating how they'll inevitably fix it, rather than being genuinely intrigued by the the actual direction the story will go. They compared it to recent Spidey and Iron Man "turned evil but only temporarily" runs.
Thanks, Amy! You brought the balancing thoughts to the discussion about Cap's twist. Just because I don't like the "1st" twist doesn't mean I've never read a comic book. The only thing that was of worth of discussion is the death threats. It needs to end. It's awful. That people feel so entitled that they'd threaten to kill someone over a fictional character/story is just beyond understanding.
Henry Cavill 4 Bond
I agree . Atleast he is on my top 3 list along with Idris Elba if they want to do a Bond persona as Daniel Craig . Otherwise if they want to go old school than Tom Huddleston .
On the Captain Rogers Ordeal - guys, people are no longer as literate or as even tempered. This is like striking at people's dogma/foundation. It is like bringing up things about Lincoln, Gandhi and Jesus.
People don't like anger - they are afraid of change and being powerless and alone. Interweb gives us an outlet to throw punches in the air and to convince ourselves that we have meaning. My two cents. I agree though, these attitudes are ridiculous.
Shnepp is hilarious! Got'em with the "it doesn't matter what you think "
so I have watched X-men Apocalypse 6 times now and I really think its a masterpiece with a few miner flaws. It's by far my favourite x men movie now, but not juse as a standalone movie, but as a conclusion of all the other x-men movies. almost every single scene has ties to all the other movies and the comics. I urge everyone who wasn't sure about the movie to watch it again, but you should watch the other X-men movies first
nice to know I"m not the only that thought Eisenberg's Lex was good. The same goes for Duncan's Kingpin in the director's cut of Daredevil. The best thing about Lex in BVS is you DO NOT LIKE HIM. There is nothing cool about him, when Doomsday is about to take him out and Superman stops him is a classic moment where you are so pissed at Superman's boy scout antics, saving someone who almost had his mother killed.
just watched BvS a second time, and it was even better. Editing still poor of course, but I noticed even more thematic moments. Like the sound when Batman scenes are cut is the World Engine sound (I believe). Even the manic traits of Lex I didn't notice because I was more in tune with just how twisted he is, this Bluray cut may be a master piece (I hope)
So, when is Robert Meyer Burnett getting his own Collider Trek Talk show? This needs to happen! He is such a joy to listen to. Of course Amy, Campea and Schnepp are super awesome, as well as the whole Heroes show, but Robert talking Star Trek is where it's at!
Well Xavier and Lehnsherr went there separate ways since Xavier was focusing on creating a safe haven for mutants at his mansion. I feel Lehnsherr didn't want to interfere with that but at the same time he tried to lead a normal life by taking Xavier's advice.
I liked X-Men but didn't love it like I wanted too like Days of Future Past.I liked Jean and Nightcrawler a lot more then I thought I would. Wolverine scene was great.Magneto story at the beginning was awesome!Apocalypse was great when he displayed his power,but everything else about him was not great. I hated his look,it annoyed me that when they used the portal too go get Magneto that he was the same size as Storm and Pyslocke,it looked funny.Campea nailed it about his voice.They failed to give any real substance as to why he need new Horsemen, and then the ones he did choose, they were useless in the movie. Hardly had more then 3 lines in the movie any of them except Magneto of course. Jennifer Lawrence was below average and I rather have seen Beast take over the team and guide them instead of her.
Marvel published some Doc Savage comics and magazines in the 1970's. I think pulp had a renaissance in the 1970's with republishing those original stories in paperbacks with new art, comic books, etc.
I really love it when Schnepp is hosting! Informative and funny at the same time! He has a genuine enthusiasm that comes across great!
I loved Apocalypse. My 3rd favorite X-men movie after Days of Future Past and X2.
"Which was the last time that Cameron out his name on shit"...well he didn't put his name on it but the interview about Terminator Genysis, the favourite Schnepp film, says other thing.
I saw Batman V Superman trying to forget all reviews and my own bias, but even with a positive attitude I ended up thinking is a really bad movie with a lot of budget and I hate fan boys and collider trying to say is not that bad. I like to watch VFX movies so I don't care when the plot is not extremely good, I can pass that if the movie is entertaining, because I know I will be enjoying the visuals and dumb action, if I am going to see a movie I know is Sci Fi or Fantasy or SuperHeroes I cannot expect impeccable plot because is not real life so I buy my ticket accepting the game from the start, and that's good enough for me "entertain me with your silly movie and make me forget real world for a while", but the problem with this movie is that the director thinks of it as if he's doing a master piece of cinematography and forgets to entertain the audience, he couldn't care less. It feels condescendant.
The director or producers (who knows) has/have no respect for the general audience and much less for the hard core fans, Snyder ended up believing the crap that he's the best director ever and he deserved doing what he wanted with the money he got to make the movie. BvS is a collection of very expensive visually amazing scene after the other without any other intention but satisfying the directors personal artistic needs instead of servicing the Story-telling work, i.e. he didn't need to explain again how the Waynes were murdered but his ego was bigger than common sense, he wanted to make the best iconic Waynes murder ever, and then got the "Martha" thing into to back it up (when a good dialogue and a tomb stone with an inscription of Martha was enough), and a lot of scenes were like that, his stupid ego was driving all his decisions in this movie.
Again, if the plot had huge holes but the dialogues or the acting was entertaining with the VFX, etc, the movie could have save face, but the acting was bad or flat, yeah including Ben Afleck (he's only decent and makes a good action job but is not "killing it" as Batman, NO he's not like RDJ in Iron Man don't say that crap), all characters are boring, take them-selves way too serious in a very annoying way. Even in the Dark Knight, Bruce Wayne is entertaining he's not serious ALL the time! even when is Batman Chris Bale looks more human, sometimes he DOES SMILE. Same with Christopher Reeves as well, if Superman is serious, Clark Kent was goofy THAT WAS HIS COVER for crissake!!! because even when somebody can see the physical similarity between both Clark Kent was so goofy no one could think of him as Super Hero. But hey, there is more bad things in BvS: None of the other characters was likable, Loise Lane is boring, Alfred is boring, Lex Luthor is a DISSASTER,
100% agreed!
They definitely under utilized Psylocke by limiting her dialogue. The only thing that was great with her was seeing her powers and especially the Psionic blade was incredible. Her action sequences were decent. She was basically a bodyguard for Caliban who in the comics is part of the Morlocks lead by Callisto and then to En Saba Nur.
I'm not usually a big proponent of unnecessarily stretching movies into two films but I keep thinking Xmen: Apocalypse would have been better if they had made it into 2 films. That would have allowed the story to have more of an opportunity to explore the character development of the villain and the his 4 horsemen, as well as allowing us to see more of the young mutants spending time at the school. Throw in some additional clashes between Apocalypse and some of the good guys, human and/or mutuants, I picture the first film ending with a dark, cliff-hanger (see the aftermath of the big scene at the mansion following the appearance of Quicksilver).
Regarding what the guys were talking about with the Captain America story about America wanting to return to some nostalgic past glory. That's a very insightful comment on Robert's part. In fact I've been looking for an answer as to why I've been listening to this one particular song ('B-Movie, by Gil Scott Heron) over and over lately. It's because, if you listen to the words, it's talking about this very thing. 'B-Movie' was an indictment of the Reagan election, and it begins with spoken word poetry over music (I also highly recommend Heron's 'Black History/The World' for a similar thing), so it's not for everyone, but I would encourage you all to look the song up, just to listen to what this guy had to say, and to think about how relevant it is today. It's really insightful as a piece of cultural history (and it's a great song to boot).
I for one love a change in status quo like Captain America being a secret Hydra agent - of course it's not going to last long... which is something I have issues with at times. See as much as I like these changes I wish some of them would be permanent, but mostly they're just temporary. I'd love to see Cap be a Hydra agent for many years to come - until a universe reboot or something.
There's another one with Stan Lee saying "Hail DC" and every Marvel superhero going nuts, even DC superheroes! LOL!
With respect to X-Men: Apocalypse, I found it entertaining as a sci-fi/action/adventure film, & very well acted overall. However, as an X-Men film...lets just say that growing up with the X-Men as one of my favorite comic books, I admit to having a very personal & emotional connection with these characters, and I have yet to see many of them portrayed in the manner I (personally) feel they should have been. Some examples would be Warren Worthington III isn't a millionaire playboy, he's a German street thug; Ororo Monroe (whose name was never mentioned, not even as "Storm"), wasn't born with white hair, it was turned white by Apocalypse; Al3x Summers isn't Scott's younger brother, he's the eldest son; Jean Grey isn't possessed with the cosmic entity known as the Phoenix, she apparently always had this god-like power inside of her. Just so many things, character wise that made me physically cringe. As for Captain America being a Hydra Agent this entire time, a begrudgingly agree. It makes for great story telling, similar to the Superior Spider-Man story arc. People hated one it with pure venom (no pun), but it turned out to be one of the greatest Spider-Man stories ever told. I only have one concern: I think the only logical way to pull this off (without die-hard fans screaming "bullshit") is have it be the result of someone tampering with his past. Time travel is probably one of the few, if not the only acceptable rational for telling a story such as this. And I give you only one reason for this: Steve Rogers is a man that is worthy enough to weild Thor's hammer. Not once, but twice. The moral fiber & devotion to honor and other virtuous values makes Steve Rogers one of the few people (human or god) in the Marvel Universe capable of even lifting Thor's hammer. So unless there was a retcon I'm not aware of, where Steve Rogers never lifted Thor's hammer (1st under the alias "The Captain" & again during the "Fear Itself" story arc), the only way to explain that someone worthy enough to lift the hammer has been a member of an organization that is in direct opposition to the very values that make it possible to lift said hammer is time travel.
The question about Geoff Johns bringing his comic book stories to the DCEU. I would LOVE if they adapt The Sinestro Corps War, animated or live action. My favorite Green Lantern story arc.
what's confusing me about TF: The Last Knight is that apparently Megatron's coming back. Bit odd considering he came Galvatron in TF4
52:31 *LOL* 👹 James Cameron's floating head shouting, _"Robert, stop what you're doing! This looks dumb!"_ 😂😂😂
When I heard "US Agent" I immediately remembered how in MvC... The back up character would always say "US Agent" and not Captain America... I now understand...
Robert nailed this sickness of loving hatred and overreacting before something plays out and keeping an open mind.We often forget that Freedom of Speech comes with responsibility.
Apocalypse in Game of Thrones? That's actually a really cool idea! Imagine if we took a bunch of comic book villains and anti-heroes and dropped them in an epic brutal drama like Game of Thrones to just see what happens?! Crazy powerful characters like Loki, Deadpool, Dr Doom, Doc Ock, Punisher, etc. It'd be the coolest!
I wish Goyer's original idea for Blade 3 came into fruition: the world is over run by vampires (they won the war), and Blade is the only one alive fighting them. I thought that was a cool idea, but Goyer said the studio thought that idea was too dark. which thus metamorphed into the mess or turned out too be.
I'm going to put my 2 cents in on the Captain America / Hydra issue. I have no problem with the twist. What I have issues with is the timing. Firstly an amazing Captain America movie was released a couple of weeks ago. This may actually encourage some people to look into buying Captain America comics. Second, this is a brand new Captain America #1 comic. Every comic may be someones first comic, but it is even more likely that a Captain America #1 may be some kid who is just getting into comics, is their first comic book introduction to Cap. They don't know the decades of background on the character or what this twist means or where it will probably go. All they know is that the hero on the front cover of their comic is a murderer and a traitor. And third this comic came out the Wednesday before Memorial Day. Just before the day where one is supposed to remember those who fought and died against tyranny (especially against the Nazis), Marvel comics decided to make the man known as the Sentinel of Liberty and turn him into a pseudo-Nazi who apparently has always been a sleeper Hydra agent. Basically taking the hero of my uncles and great uncles who fought and some of who died fighting the Nazis and turned him into what they hated the most. So because of these points, I cancelled my subscriptions to this and a number of other Marvel comics. I'll put my money behind comics that I can actually get behind.
Great to have John on these podcast. He hit the nail on the head with Captain America. Comic book culture is now pop culture and pop culture has gone mainstream. It's a big tent now so of course people will have a huge reaction to something like Captain America saying "hail hydra".
When he hits him with the "It doesnt matter" hahaha!
To me making Captain America Hydra is taking a good idea like the reveal in The Winter Soldier that Hydra was secretly controlling Shield too far.
Seeing Cap hailing Hydra actually makes me want to go buy the issue to read how Cap's Hydra arc ends
John Campea on point with the jokes this episode!
I genuninely look forward to this show every week. Tuesday was a great podcast day - now I guess Wednesday is gonna be a great day from now on. Thanks for all the wonderful ear-phone that you provide while I work at the office. :)
BTW - didn't James Cameron sponsor Genysis? He said that the movie was good in an interview...that movie didn't do too well..
There are so many other storylines they could have explored such continuing the Brotherhood of Mutants, House of Magnus, and the sanctuary for Mutants (Asteroid M) to name a few.
I have a question. The X-Men movies, financially speaking, are not the biggest box office draws. When you look at the films' box office history they haven't really gotten much better in 16 years even with inflation and 3D prices. I think it's very telling that DOFP and Deadpool are the highest grossing movies in the franchise where DOFP had a hook that made it feel important and Deadpool felt very different than anything else to a lot of people and the marketing was great. Have the X-Men movies not evolved enough for today's market? I'm not talking about the quality of the series, but purely the box office. Am I missing something or is there some validity to what I'm saying? Granted we have to wait to see if Apocalypse performs well after it's all said and done, and I'm not trying to be the doomsayer of the franchise. It's just a legitimate question that I have.
Ms. Dallen, you have been much more vocal and killin' it today. Y'all make me actually want to visit the Burbank area.
at 32:00, i thought Amy was going to say "Captain America never REALLY came back after getting shot in Civil War."
I don't know where Schnepp goes off saying we have to wait 5 years for another X-men movie. If you look back we had X-men first class in 2011, then DOFP in 2014, and now Apocalypse only 2 years later. Maybe another year of time would of helped buffer some issues Apocalypse had. Either way that's 3 X-men films in the last 5 years. Than if you go back to 2001 we have had 9 X-men films in 16 years! And most have been either decent (Apocalypse, The Wolverine, X-men 3) to pretty damn amazing (X men, X-men 2 United, X-men First Class, X-Men days of Future Past, and now Deadpool) Honestly Fox has done a pretty damn good job with this Franchise. Competing up there with Marvel.
It is rare and far between...but I always smile when someone brings up "Fritz The Cat" haha
While the creation of Superman may have been influenced by Doc Savage, the primary source of inspiration for the character was Philip Wylie's classic novel :Gladiator".
I think there maybe be superhero fatigue only because we've had 4 big comic book movies in like 3 months I think the best possible thing for suicide squad and Dr Strange is that we now have a break for a couple of months
At no point in time has every person had a voice that could be heard by so many. I think that is what is making people feel as though their voice has more weight than it really does.
The tease to Mr. Sinister was great since he need Logan's blood so that he can create another version of the Weapon X in this case it's X-23 like in the comics. Also he is fascinated with Scott Summers and Jean Grey and through there DNA creates Cable.
finally someone, Schnepp, explains how comics work with the twist from Captain America!!!
I totally agree with John. Loved Eisenberg all the way up until the ding ding ding bit. Just why they let it happen that way in the final cut..Ill never understand.
"didn't give human torch a bank loan." (anchorman) "i understood that reference" (captain) :P
Have we covered Blade II in Flashback yet? Can't remember. Because the ONLY films that should be covered are Blade and Blade II. There isn't a third movie.