Chevrolet Equinox/Malibu 2.4 EcoTec primary chain and guide replacement in car
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2019
- This particular job is on a 2011 Equinox. Timing marks on chain are easy to see. If you can't see the mark on crank cog try moving the thin washer that may be blocking it. Other than that it's a straight forward timing cover removal and simple chain routing.
I will be posting a video of me doing the front chain with the motor out of the car. Only to show chain routing better. It can be hard to show them on the camera with the motor still in the car. - Авто та транспорт
Nick, I’ve spent the majority of my life as a Journeyman mechanic at GM dealerships and I have to say that watching you work brings back memories of working on Cadi’s. You know exactly what tools you need to be quick. Very nice work, and thats not easy to find these days.
Thanks Bob! That means allot. I love working on cars, sounds like you do too! There comes great satisfaction with making something work again.
Well, I did it. Thanks to this video and the official cloyes video. Started at 11 am and finished at 6 pm. Thank you for this
Did it make any noise when you got it all back together at first?
A metal,molded rubber gasket takes me to my happy place. Awsome work mechaNick!
Hahaha for people like us its the little things!
@@CarMechaNick how long does it take a person who has not done alot of them by the way ur a beast at it
@@johnnyfultzii4524 I would plan 4-6. They aren't that bad. Thanks! Hope the video helps!
@@CarMechaNick thanks if I get stuck ill hit u up lol
You know where to find me!
Very good video and thanks for not adding in some ear splitting boofer music! Well done !
Am I the only one that hates looking up this job just to see everyone skipping over everything.. slow down and give me a walk threw with what tools I’m going to need to do this job please
I am trying to do the same and nobody is doing the complete walkthrough and skipping😂
Legendary video man
Good shit
Thanks!
What are the tool needed for this and whats the torque specs?
A/C refrigerant line runs in the way on the Malibu right next to motor mount. How do you work around that?
How long does job take start to finish
thanks for showing how to do this in the bay. everyone else seems to drop them for this but honestly I don't see how it's that necessary with the wheel well pulled out.
not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's quite a bit of work. thanks for the documentation
Thanks! Super fast job and easy for sure. It's always nice when you get to save a 2.4L that's not consuming oil.
@@CarMechaNick I wish mine wasn't. Just got it a month or two ago not knowing about the oil consumption problem with these. What I get for not researching beforehand (and letting the girlfriend pick the car). Lessons learned I suppose.
If you find a good mechanic, he can do a rebuild in the car. They can make it 150k rough miles. Seriously with these oil pressured timing components and direct injection, you have to get the services done if you want it to last. Clean that carbon! 😁
@@CarMechaNick I mean I've done a few timing belts and some odds and ends, replaced a clutch in a DPS6 so I figure the chain ain't too far out of reach. Bit nervous about pulling cylinders and honing the cylinders out though
You're just over thinking it. Take your time, enjoy it. Does it run? You may need to check if you bent your intake valves if the car won't run. Usually when it jumps time to a crank no start, chattering all to hell, typically I'll have to replace all the intake valves.
Hey there , I watched ya video and it was very helpful for me replacing the timing chain on my 2012 equinox ltz , I used the Cloyes kit . With everything said and done i replaced it and put all back together , correct torque of all components and it fired up, i let it run for a bit all sounded good , drove it around for a bit and im getting codes P0016 + P0017 , any help on how i can resolve these codes?
Will u get A p0016 code change all the cams sensor and crank sensor u think it. The timing
Good video!
Thanks!
מצוין תודה על הוידאו
Making it look easy
Hey thank you! 😊
Not sure if you are still active, have a leaking cover figured I should do the chain and guides along with it since it has 120k and I hear slight chain slack. Haynes has torque specs I believe, any other tips? Ordered a water pump found a AC Delco for 45$ figured I'd just go ahead and do it while i'm in there too.
You'll want to get the cam tool, you can get it from amazon. You seem like you know whats going on, hope the video can help if needed.
Awesome video what size Allen is that plug for that guide bolt?
I honestly have no idea I can't remember lol it's been a while since I've had to do one. Thanks for watching though!
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Well this is going to suck 😕 lol. Thank you for the vid my guy. Looks like I've got my work cut out for me.
You got it! Just label your books and you'll remember how it all goes back.
@@CarMechaNick pictures are my friend 😄 🤣 TYTY
Yes! Finally, a human that understands how to use the tools in front of them. Happy wrenching my friend!
@@CarMechaNick 😄 🤣 much appreciated and likewise.
Had this one jumped timing? Looking at buying one that was repaired after supposedly jumping one tooth. I know they’re interference engines. Is it likely that a timing jump didn’t damage anything or at the least that if it had I’d know for sure?
One tooth should be okay 👍
throwing a code?
This Tech has done a few of these in his time.
Thanks for watching. I bet! These things will keep you busy!
Very eazy to do
It is and makes a huge difference!
Damn, I wish I found this video beforehand. I took the engine out and replaced the water pump and timing chain but unfortunately there's still a knocking sound that goes in and out while idled and when accelerating. When accelerating its lacking in power until youre at a cruise control speed. What do you think the cooperate could be? bad tensioner?
That's unfortunate. I've seen issues with the rockers before but rarely with these. I'd honestly hate to give you bad info, I'd have to see it. Any codes or anything?
@@CarMechaNick Just o2 codes due to straight pipe, exhaust manifold cracked so i just bought a cheap one which didnt fit so i cut the cats completely. Besides that the cam codes erased due to fixing timing chain and one of the phasers was bad so I replaced that. It kind of sounds like a bad tensioner since the sound is on the chain side of the engine.
I'll probably look at the chain again from the way you did it in this video and also check the water pump chain to double check.
@@MrDevonAlert install a new tensioner..
if doing this at home on a malibu, do you just need a 2x4 & jack under the oil pan before you unbolt the engine mount?
How many inches does it need to be lowered to clear the long bolt on the timing cover?
Nothing crazy. You can replace just the primary yes. May not last very long if all the oil passages look like shit. Change oil frequently and still replace if that's all you see broken.
@@CarMechaNick Chains/guides looked good with just the valve cover off. only slight slack that went away when turned.
Changed just the tensioner today and P0016/P0017 went away!
Going to do an extra oil change and hope they dont come back
Heck yeah!
Great video. Does the engine mount have to come off?
The bracket on the side I don't think has to.
Dang! This seems worse than my Nissan 3.5 . I have done 3 of those, looking to buy a near mint malibu with T/Chain issues. Good Video !
Thanks! These aren't bad, but getting one without a hole in the block can never hard to find lol 😆
Have you done many of the piston and ring replacements in the 2.4 L Ecotec that had the oil ring issue?
We have in our company as long as the motor hasn't exploded.
@@CarMechaNick Mine is just using oil and the Chevy extended warranty period had expired 6 months before the oil consumption went high. I was wondering how hard this was to do with the engine in place. It looks like getting the head off is fairly easy, but I wasn’t sure if the oil pan could be removed with the engine in place or if the cradle was in the way.
We have had guys leave it in the car and do it all. I don't see why you couldn't. It's not a difficult job if you have experience.
@@CarMechaNick I have considerable mechanical experience, but I don’t have a car lift. I wasn’t sure with just a couple of ramps and a couple of floor jacks if this was feasible. I’ve not had to do much to this Equinox to date other than maintenance.
You could probably get away with that. Might want something to stang on so you can get to stuff on top, esp on ramps. You got it thought! 👍
Is the valves on the camshaft exhaust said supposed to be open or closed
When the lobes of the cam are on the rockers, they're going to be open.
is it wise to do the water pump and the other chain when doing this job?
I would do the balance chain and guides ,sprocket to..Melling and cloyes make kits with everything you need.I purchased 2 new vvt cam phazers to that way it's all new.400 bucks at rock auto for everything.
How long does this process take you for one person? Start to finish. Btw. Great detail.
These only take a few hours. Between 3-4 I'd say. Thanks 😊
@@CarMechaNick the shops charge 7
Thanks for the info!
Does a DIY guy need the tool you used when tightening the cam gears? Is that to keep them in place. Very informative vid.
If you post the time where I use the tool I can tell you but I only remember using a degree tool to tighten the phasers. You can use a wrench to hold the cam still while you torque.
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Did you have to replace the cam chain gear bolts the mount to the cam shaft?
Yes you should get new bolts, if you can't then you can't, just use the old ones.
@@CarMechaNick did you have to loosen the driver side motor mount to raise the motor
If you want yo raise it I would remove the mount and bracket.
I hope I can get a response but there is a ground wire near the last coil on the drivers side 2013 equinox just wondering if you know where it goes?
Pretty sure it just goes to the head. Usually the back. If it's the same little 10mm ground I'm thinking of.
@@CarMechaNick it is 10mm. I just cannot find a hole to plug it in
Pretty sure it's on the rear corner of head facing the firewall. But if you can't just use a valve cover bolt.
When is it time to replace the timing system on these? The maintenance schedule doesn't show anything for it up to 150k
It's hard telling really. You could set one yourself, just to be preventative. It could cost more than a simple timing job if you go too long. But usually the timing components get loud
So I’m changing my timing chain on my 2010 Chevy Equinox 2.4L and I got the black colored link the one between the yellow ones lined up on my Intake Sprocket but my other black colored link will not align with the exhaust, what’s wrong?
You have to move the cam so the pin goes into the phaser.
Actually it’s the other was around the pin is on the phaser and the cam is notched, but same principle. Rotate the cam enough.
@@CarMechaNick yeah thanks for the reply but had to learn it myself hahaha, it was a success!
I know this is old and not sure if you do strictly these 2.4's but I figured it's worth asking.
I replaced the chain and tensioners, cam sprockets/phasers are tightened up and other videos say to turn the crank 720 degrees to make sure there's no interference and to verify timing stayed good, yet my crank sprocket is skipping teeth.
After two revolutions at the crank everything is off by two teeth.
I went and replaced the crank sprocket thinking that was the issue, yet it's still doing it.
Seems the intake cam sprocket holds some tension when activating some valves, causing the tensioner to get pushed back. Then snaps forward causing slack to get thrown down to the crank.
If you see this comment, any idea wtf I'm doing wrong or what could cause this?
When you crank it the marks won't line up but count the links they should be the same amount of links. Did you pop the tensioner?
@@CarMechaNick yes I did.
And the crank sprocket is 23 teeth, and the cams are 46.
From other things I read the same links should like back up with the markings. After two revolutions.
Not only that I can visually see it skipped at the bottom when I manually turn the crank.
I believe the cams are still timed together, and possibly even the crank but I can't count the links between intake and crank due to not being able to see behind the head/block.
Looking at the crank marking though it does look to still be in the 5 o'clock position after 2 rotations. But I'm just worried about the chain skipping. I've also read that oil pressure assists the spring in the tensioner, so maybe starting it up once assembled with stop the chain skipping.
@@CarMechaNick I didn't count the total chain links of the whole chain, so maybe you're correct about them not lining back up. I'm just going off things I read or seen in videos. Lol.
I'm almost positive it's skipping down low, but maybe I'm just seeing slack then no slack as well as noise from the water pump and assuming it's skipping, it sure looks like it is though. I'll try to verify if it's actually skipping by marking a few links when the slack shows up.
Thanks for the response btw.
@@CarMechaNick links are 30 when I like everything up. After a few spins it's 31.. so it jumped.
No clue why. I'm tempted to just see how terrible it runs 1 tooth off as there doesn't seem to be an answer for this anywhere.
It will not run good. I don't know why other than its not holding tension... it should only slightly want to pop when rotating the timing, caused by the head. Did you replace the actuators? Not the solenoids but the actual gears?
Is it necessary to take engine mount off?
Nope you can leave it.
Wow. That’s a lot. How much is the charge to do that job?
I can't remember honestly 5-800
What timing set was used?
Duralast. Which I think our in house autozone guy said is Delco but I'll have to double check on that.
Where in Ohio do you live? I need this done on my equinox and I would love to give it to someone who knows what they’re doing (you)
Thanks! 😁 I'm in colerain, in Cincinnati. We can surely do it!
So do I not rotate the engine twice? It's just on another video the dude said to rotate it twice to make sure theres no slack
You can. But it naturally will spin that way when starting. You can disable fuel and even prime it with the starter if you feel the need.
It's also a way to check your timing marks if you follow his instructions. Nothing wrong with it.
Nice video! wish I had nearly as half the talent & expertise you have
Took my 2016 chevy equinox to the shop and I got codes displaying that I will need a timing chain replacement. What ballpark price would you give to have this professionally replaced? I received a quote of around $3000 (don't want to be taken advantage of)
Codes I got:
P0011
P0016
P0017
P0089
P228D
Man. To me 3k sounds insane. I told some of the sales people I work with I would do a rebuild for 1500 labor and 1k-ish in parts. I know they would probably have a more extended warranty than I may have. I'd have to see an itemized list of what you're being charged to really have an opinion though.
What's the book time for this job ?
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יש לי מאליבו שנת 2011 מנוע 2400 נסע 136000קמ מתי מחליפים טיימנג
How much does something like this typically cost?
I think it calls for like 6 or seven hours, most shops charge about 110-140 an hour for labor. Parts will vary depending where you buy them from. I do recommend getting everything OE, it costs more but it's always right.
Does it have two chains?
Yeah there is a balance shaft chain also. There are 2 balance shafts, intake and exhaust. Typically that set of timing components doesn't have many issues.
@@CarMechaNick what about if the car doesn’t start even after the chain replacement? Cranks not start
There could be a number of reasons. Hard telling here.
@@CarMechaNick ok it cranks but it doesn’t lock up
Wish I had the balls to do this
You can do it! Take your time, you will need a torque wrench though. I have a new one since this video that does angle, or you get an adapter for the angle torque.
Do you rec dropping the whole engine/transmission below im doing tomorrow I gotta say I never done one. I don’t know which would be easier dropping below or just doing it on the side.
Hope you left it in there man. They’re ez pz I’m sure you know by now!
@@CarMechaNick I did it in there lol it was cakeee. I installed new guides and new chains. That’s all the customer wanted to do. Got her running right again. Shipped