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So just researched & found out that, when X-men rights were with Fox, MS Marvel was gonna start off as a mutant in the comics, but then FOX STUDIOS would also have the rights to live action Kamala Khan so they made her a part of Inhumans ! Same with Knull (Symbiot GOD).! MCU will have to make a deal with Sony in the future cause Knull has Venom & Spidey connections ! That’s why we didn’t see Knull reference in Thor Love & Thunder!! Inhumans will be part of secret invasion series as shown in Secret Invasion comics !
Thank you Eric, for pouring scorn on the vacuous, asinine argument that is "wokeism", & all the deep-seated insecurities associated with it.😊 Imagine being privileged enough to say that Ms Marvel is pretty much the only superhero show that doesn't cater to you & your specific demographic.... To be in that racial/gender/cultural category where to be endlessly represented is so commonplace, that its regularity causes those very people to take it for granted; & in some cases to resent & whine about the efforts to redress the balance. Pure clownery!😉
I think it's already been mentioned, but when creating the character of Kamala Khan in the comics the creators originally wanted her to be a mutant. However, this was during the time when Fox owned the licensing but now that it's back at Marvel they made her a mutant as was originally envisioned. I welcome this! Can't wait to see what comes next!
Yeah but it was for the best that she is a inhuman, because of that she is more free and not trap in the comic mutant problem. How many mutant character get a solo run in comic except wolverine, long love character like storm, beast doesn't get comic.
@@willblaze2805 absolutely. It's going to be interesting to see what they'll do with her now that she's a mutant, if she keeps out of the mutants storyline, it feels like an useless reveal. Namor will literally arrive in a couple of months. Could've made him the first mutant. And if she does get involve she'll dwarf smaller characters that could use the screen time and get dwarfed by the OG's. Also she lost a connection with Carol, being their both Kree experiments
I somehow think this is incorrect. Fox had movie and television rights to X-men characters. Not mutants. Certainly had nothing to do with the comics as Fox had no pull there at all, same goes for merchandising. Pretty sure Fox tried to sue Marvel once over the use of the word mutant in show title..."Mutant X". They settled, and didn't use the word to describe anything in the MCU going further which was honestly a preemptive fail safe against litigation. Still, nothing to do with the comics.
@@StebieJ yeah but that book about x-men not her, she only have 2 or 3 solo run and for colossus, Forge and other is even less. Only character like wolverine, deadpool or Cable have entire book to them many great x men character doesn't get anything and it is worse for new created characters like Miss Marvel. Name me one mutant created in 2000s that get solo comic about then other then x-23 Wolverine
What I've heard is that the bangle she wore throughout the show didn't give her her powers but actually unlocked her x-gene so her powers could activate. That's why Bruno said the powers were coming from her and not the bangle.
Why was Kamrans powers also crystal like though? it'd be too coincidental if their mutant powers were so similar. I think the probability that her powers only look like that because of the bangle has skyrocketed.
@@Kaleb_SMILE yeah her powers are her ability to stretch embiggen her body. But she has the power to access the noor energy using the bangle because she’s a mutant.
@@SpiderManMCUniverse the same thing happens with Inhumans also They have also different genes & different powers inside them The Terrigin Mist Activates those powers What If that bangle has Terrigin Mist inside
For all those concerned with kamala becoming an X-men. If it’s anything like her relation with the inhumans she may be one of them but she’s not active part she is a solo act like spider-man. Besides not all mutants are tied with the X-men.
Exactly, the comics have her origin as being an inhumans but she’s not part of the inhuman team. She’s a mutant now but shes probably not gonna be an X-men, she’s most likely gonna be an avenger more then Anything. I want mutants on the avengers team anyways
Hey guys, you forgot an essential part of an early episode of the show, where Bruno says to her that the bangle DOES not gave her powers, it only activated something inside of her (that now we know it’s the X-Gene). So she can manipulate that energy, the same way other Mutants can manipulate other stuff.
I don't understand why some people are making her mutation more complicated than it has to be. It's not that confusing. It's just different from what most of us expected. It's annoying sometimes that people these days have no patience to let things develop. They have to be able to know everything all the time. Sometimes it takes the fun out of things.
@@telenuvem6355 it especially makes no sense as the Deadpool movies did the exact same thing with Ajax's torture experiments. Deadpool isn't a mutant, and neither is Juggernaut, for that matter.
@@my5head dude.... if you actually question how things make sense in the MCU, then you'll have to question everything and that makes the classic MCU phase 3 movies an easy target. How the heck does the time travel in Endgame make sense anyway? Sloppy, convenient plot device. Once you watch Loki, that time travel falls apart. Coming back in time to previous point creates split timelines by its nature, and as we've seen in Loki, these are not closed loops in time. What happens in the past actually affects the future, so how the heck is Cap. back to the same timeline as an old man? That would imply a closed loop, which is not how time travel seems to work in the MCU. We are in the multiverse, which means everything is possible, including realities where Deadpool is a mutant and Ms marvel as well. I love mutants and the X-Men but I honestly don't care about these changes. Again, this is a multiverse, every single possibility actually exists. Because it's not like in comics it doesn't mean it's wrong.
I think it makes total sense, because none of kamala's ancestors had those powers as she has now. the bangle was able to unlock the noor and the dimension but her shape shifting and stretching powers came from mutation. The bangle in future I think will serve purpose for time travel and inter dimension connections only
Kamala getting her suit from her mother and getting her hero name from her father are two of the best scenes I've seen in the MCU. I mean there's other scenes from other projects that I've enjoyed but those two scenes between Kamala and her parents did something to me. Seems like in the post credit scene the bangle was sending out a signal like a beacon just like the ten rings in Shang-Chi. Maybe Carol Danvers was in space on a mission and she found the second bangle which resulted in them swapping places. Since they swapped places the bangles gotta be the Nega/Quantum-Bands....hopefully Kamala didn't teleport to a Kree-Skrull War or the Negative Zone! Bruno telling Kamala he found a MUTATION and the XMEN'97 theme playing gave me chills. But Kamala can still be Inhuman, Inhumans have mutations too. It was probably just teasing that mutants and the X-Men are coming soon. What would be funny af in THE MARVELS movie is if after Kamala and Carol switched places....they switched powers too! The bangles are definitely Kree technology.
Considering that Kamala was originally supposed to be a mutant and really the only thing outside the royal family that is popular regarding the Inhumans, that's probably why they changed her. Give her a stronger connection to a vastly more popular brand. Honestly, I'm okay with it, because fuck Perlmutter.
After doing a little research I can say without a doubt that The Bangle is most definitely the MCU version of the Nega-Bands and may have some connection to the Ten Rings worn by the Mandarin. The bangle was found by Aisha in an abandoned Ten Rings temple on the severed blue arm of what is most likely a Kree. And about the Quantum Bands, they were believed to be the weapons known to the Kree as the "Power-Bands of Rinn" that were the prototype for the Nega-Bands.
@@2apocalypse-X and given that, The ten rings are more likely the quantum bands (given they were made by a primordial of the multiverse it would make sense wong, banner and carol didn’t recognize them)
It seems a little confusing with with her powers and the Noor but also its weirdly similar to how Cyclops powers work too. Its not just laser blasts, he’s constantly letting off a concussive force from another dimension
The idea I took away was that Kamala inherited the Clandestine ability to use the noor, but that normally only works in the noor dimension. Her mutant power is being able to connect to the noor in our dimension as well, and her X-gene was dormant until the bangle activated it. Since aliens can have the X-gene too in the comics (Thanos is a mutant Eternal), maybe that's what the bangle is--some kind of Kree tech designed to activate the X-gene? I think Kamran has the power through a slightly different way--his mom absorbed the portal and sent it to him, so now the portal is inside him, and he's using it to connect to the noor dimension and sort of pull noor energy out of there.
I’d also argue that the mutant gene is just that, a mutation meaning that it’s random so it makes sense to me that she’s the only mutant in her family. Like how Bobby from the X-Men movies was the only mutant in his family
I'm thinking her X-Gene ability is the ability to WIELD the "Noor", the energy of the Clandestine dimension. You guys mentioned the Phoenix Force.. maybe how Jean Gray has the Phoenix Force and can wield the Phoenix Force? Maybe? Something like that? Hopefully, we find out in The Marvels.
There's a ton of 'interdimensional' mutant abilities - Shadowcat phases into an alternate dimension, Nightcrawler moves entirely into one to teleport, Cyclops' beams are interdimensional energy, Juggernaut pulls energy from an interdimensional entity for infinite momentum. There's probably a ton more I can't think of right now.
Cyclop's eyes are actually interdimensional portals, gateways to a dimension full of a strange concussive energy. Could be something similar to that or how Magik’s powers are tied to Inter-dimensional travel and nightcrawler teleports with the Brimstone dimension. Maybe even Scarlet Witch’s inherent mutation was a probability power since she was able to stop the bomb when she was little. Ms Marvels mutation may connect her to inter-dimensional powers and the bangle concentrates/accesses it, or acts as a conduit for it whereas her relatives before her had no powers with the bangle
It was also a stressful time during the cosplay competition at Avengercon and that is one way in which mutant powers are first expressed. Almost like a metaphor for puberty.
I love that she ends with "Whatever it is, it's just another label" and still all the internet is about, is that she's a mutant instead of an inhuman now. I mean, I get that a lot of people, me included, want an inhuman storyline in the mainline MCU-616, but you can have both of these things. I want a Black Bolt that isn't killed because Idiot McGee tells their enemy exactly what he can do.
I mean. That's Kamala's character to a T to say that. I do think her being a mutant and a djinn was a lot for me too at the time. I've accepted, but at first, I was like.... what???!!!!
ok but doesn’t Scott (Cyclops) use his power by transporting energy directly from another realm?? quite literally exactly what kamala is doing ? also NightCrawler takes him through the brimstone dimension between each teleportation… so idk maybe i’m crazy but Kamala being a mutant and manipulating energy directly from a dimension that apparently her ancestors are from.. idk it makes sense to me🤷🏻♂️
I hope that everyone is 100% clear that Deever did NOT mean "kids" when she was tlaking about "the wrong people" getting powers. There is definite subtext to her every interaction with the community.....
I think they’re implying that she was a mutant AND a Djinn/Clandestine. The bangle gives her access to the Noor but it also activated her mutant gene/Xfactor. That’s why Kamrans powers and her powers (usage wise) are different.
Mutant powers have such an insane range, Kamala drawing energy from a light dimension really isn't that far out an idea. Like I'm pretty sure Nightcrawler does a similar thing to bamf, and in the comics she draws on energy from different versions of herself in the Multiverse to transform and heal
Yeah, when Nightcrawler and Azazel teleport, they enter another dimension, which is why they're teleporting is accompanied by the smell of sulfur. I think it's also canon that Cyclops' lasers are concentrated from some kind of energy dimension.
@@DarkElfPaladin Dr strange explained it and AGENTS OF SHIELD how cool would it be if LOKI ends up bringing agents of shield mainstream and actually have Daisy as head of shield and colson classic comic relief but he helps form young avengers and give iron hart her scholarship
@@anthonyspencer9527 I meant the sister of colossus, magik. I forget the name of the dimension she draws power from. Though doesn't quake in the comics have some stuff in secret invasion? And we are getting a secret invasion show so I'll cross my fingers that she shows up in it. Though I'll try not to get my hopes up.
@@cis4659 how do they have the exact powers? They have a similar look with the light stuff but Kamala's stretching is different, she makes platforms with the light, shields, all Kamran has done is thrown the light out at things.
Small Theory: Since they explained earlier in the series that Kamala is able to access the Noor energy due to her mixed Clandestine and Human lineage, the bangle could be the catalyst that activated the mutant gene (calling it this for now as the X-gene is not yet name dropped on any MCU content), giving her the ability to mold and harness the Noor energy on Earth. Now this doesn't fully explain Kamran's ability (which is messy in it of itself), but Najma could've been the catalyst, giving her limited Noor access to Kamran, together with his limited access could've opened the access a bit more to give him the ability to also mold Noor, but much more unstable.
The word catalyst there is definitely the key to me. There has to be something that triggers a big part of population starting to evolve. I’ve been thinking maybe it’s people who were snapped because they indirectly interacted with infinity stones. Maybe mutants start to pop up all across the galaxy or maybe there’s something in the human genome that is triggered by interacting with infinity stones - like what happens with the maximoffs and Carol. Just like the transporter in Star Trek they referenced maybe the “copy” that comes back has slightly different genes. Do we know if Kamala was snapped? It didn’t seem like it in the show but maybe there was a reference I’m forgetting.
Kamran is just another mutant who unlocked when his mother sent Noor energy into him. I don't have any problem with any of this. Damage Control is basically being set up as the organization that hunts down unregistered supes. We're going to have at least a million people who came of age post snap. Characters like Apocalypse, Xavier and Eric would have been exposed to earlier cosmic events like Wanda and Pietro
Matthew from Mageliv. I was sooo disappointed other reactors haven't recognized that Mark is Matthew. I had been wondering how we would see him at the school in the finale. I wasn't expecting him to get to be The Boyfriend!!
This show was such a treat. I lost my mind when they played the X-MEN THEME when Bruno talked about Kamala possibly being a mutant! My favorite scene was probably that final one with her dad when he called her “Ms. Marvel” because it felt so natural. The parts with the family is where I think this show really shined. The writing was phenomenal. Their focus on faith and family was so great! This show is so clever and refreshing! A lot of people talk about how this phase has been aimless, like there doesn’t seem to be a waypoint for everything. I disagree. I saw an interview where somebody said all of this is just a reaction to what happened in Endgame. They basically have to reset everything so they could introduce new characters WHILE setting up the Multiverse and Mutants. I think they’ve done really well. I feel like Shan Chi, Eternals, and this show will somehow lead to an explanation of what is going on. I’m hoping that something is announced at Comic Con that basically makes us go “YUP, that’s it. That’s what we have been leading to.” Kevin Feige also said we would see the next big bad/overarching theme soon. So we shall see! I’m really excited!
I just took her mutation as a key to the door. Her family is descended from the Noor, who have that power. Her mutation is a key that unlocked the door to those powers, that's all it is. The other 3 people in her family who are also directly descended from the same Noor don't have the mutation, so cant access that same power with the bangle. From a writing perspective, the X-gene has always been a catch all, easy way to introduce a new character with powers without having to come up with lengthy/contrived reasons they have powers. Need a new hero? where'd their powers come from? x-gene bam. Doesnt matter what the gene does, it opens portals in cyclops eyes and allows jubilee to detonate matter on an atomic level, kamala's gene lets her tap into the noor. they also said in episode 2 (i think) that the bangle just turned her powers on and the the light comes from inside her, not the bangle.
I agree, but it is still a bit messy. So her x-gene is a door, the bangle is also sort of a door to the noor. So can she access the noor without the bangle (like Kamran can) or does she need the combo of bangle + x-gene. I guess this just needs to be explained a bit more, which sucks because the series has now ended. They really needed one more episode. For example what they could have done is show her eventually using the noor without the bangle - the bangle just activated the x-gene.
@@umairbutt1355 the bangle at it self will do nothing, it only gives her the Power because of the x gene. Kamrans lineage is something different, i guess
Exactly. That's how I taken it throughout the show. It was never explained how kamala gets to use the bangles power untill the mutant gene reveal. All the other family members couldn't use the bangles power and that's why I was confused untill that reveal. Glowing eyes and randomly accidentally using the power is not technically using the power. Kamala was using the power very controlled and easily because of the mutant gene. Djinn was a guess because Djinn is another way to use the power of the bangles.
@@illuminatimmy1312 The bangle doesn't give her the power though, as explained in the show. It unlocked something inside of her. So bangle unlocks x-gene, x-gene gives her access to power.
@@umairbutt1355 The power of the bangle itself is related to teleportation. She not only teleported with Carol Danvers (probably because Carol handled something that is somehow entangled with the bangle) but also allowed her to travel to the past when messed with by a Clandestine weapon (Najma's) and called by her great-grandma in a moment of great peril
It’s actually funny seeing how hard they try to twist all their narratives and logic to fit into what they can make sense of and accept. I have a better understanding of how things have happened the way they have in the US.
The family aspect of the show is easily the best part of the show. Kamala's family and especially her parents are just the best, so loving and supportive of her! And the costume, THE COSTUME!!!
The show was pretty clear with an illustration and everything when Bruno told Kamala that her powers DO NOT come from the bangle they come from within her. Not sure whats so confusing?
Honestly, the change I like the most from this series is how deeply rooted her culture is in her origin. Like, it's there in the comics of course but her powers come from inhumans. In this, it's from a bangle that seems Pakistani, her suit comes from her ammi, and her name comes from her abbu. like, that's just...so freaking cool.
The showrunner came out and said Fiege told her to put that mutation in the show. I think it is not messy because instead of having both inhumans and mutants in the MCU now it is just mutants. Also she was supposed to be a mutant in the comics and Fiege is just having her what she supposed to be. Both are basically the same same anyway.
@@MaikNL I guess it just unlocked her x-genes. Maybe in the movie she will learn that she can now actually control her powers without the bangle too. Let's hope we get a clear explanation in The Marvels
It's not the same thing. X-Men are homo superior, or the next step in human evolution that develop powers during puberty. Inhumans come from Kree experiments and develop powers after contacting with Terrigen Mist. It's not that hard to distinguish. Both deserve the right to exist in the same universe. Marvel were dumb for treating the mutants poorly in the comics, and now they're being dumb for trying to pretend that Inhumans are not a thing.
@@bloodymares you know who cares. To Fiege it is the same. He is thinking about the general public. They don't care about the difference anyway. Really the mutants are better anyway.
@@richardh776 I say Feige shouldn't be the one to decide for everybody which is better. There are a lot of fans of Inhumans. Agents of SHIELD was one of the rare media representations that did them justice.
Thank u crew blind wave for trying to get this reaction out as quickly as u could since u were on vacation totally understandable, loved the reaction keep up the great work!
The confusion at the end would have been cleared up by listening closely to what Bruno said at the end. “When I compared you to the rest of the family, something still seemed off. …something different with your genes.” (Paraphrasing) Her Clandestine heritage gave her affinity for the Noor but it was her x-gene which activated when she put on the bangle that allowed her to access it. Would have saved at least 45 minutes worth of speculation.
Hopefully to clear up the mutant stuff for Eric: None of Kamala's lineage or her sibling has the ability to use Noor powers. Meaning her heritage has nothing to do with the power. When Kamala puts on the bangle we are told that it unlocks (activates her X-gene) her internal powers. We also never see the Clandestines use Noor powers so that ability is unique in Kamala being a mutant. Kamran on the other hand is a little more confusing to me. More than likely he is also a mutant but I am unaware how his power was unlocked.
It seems like his mom is working through Kamran still. When his powers activate in the alley and he falls to his knees, you can hear the echo of her saying his name when she forced her powers on him. There seems to be a Noor ability activated close to death, Aisha bringing Kamala through time with a phrase and Kamran’s mother saying his name to send her power to him- but it might also convey their will as well. Aisha’s will to see her daughter saved brought Kamala to do it. If Kamrans mother willed for more than just to keep him safe, either for him to open the veil or get revenge or something, then maybe his powers activated because of that and not his genealogy. He had some Noor energy, probably half, and then got hers as well.
Don't try to understand. Writers are as lost as we are. Not even they knew what they wanted. It was clearly an overnight change. They started by saying that Kamala was a Djinn. They ended up saying that she is a mutant. But what mutant is this that needs a magical artifact to be able to use its mutant powers? None of this makes sense to me.
@@YuGo_Wolverino they never said they were actually Djinn, just that they were called it. Then the passage Kamala’s dad reads talks about a specific group of Djinn from myth that is obviously the clandestine, and somebody says that if Thor had landed in Pakistan they’d have called him a Djinn (and we know he’s Asgardian). Djinn was just a term used by humans who didn’t understand. As for the triggering, the X-gene can be activated by multiple types of triggers. I don’t see why what is more than likely Kree tech couldn’t be a trigger.
I usually agree with Eric but I look at the mutation thing much differently. Ever since Disney bought Fox we’ve been wondering how the x-men would be introduced into the MCU. The clean answer is through the multiverse. This reveal tells us something different is planned and there will be people with the mutant gene on earth 616. Yes, it’s not as clean but do we really want them to take the easy way out? It’s their job to make it work and I’m intrigued to see them try to pull it off. I don’t think this means that Kamala is a big part of the x-men one day. Bruno found out about her mutation by accident and her response indicates that she won’t be inclined to identify as a mutant just like she doesn’t identify as a clandestine. It may not factor too much into her powers for all we know, the important part of the reveal for me is that the gene exists on our world.
Kamala getting her suit from her mother and her hero name from her father was two of the best MCU scenes I have seen....there's other scenes from other projects but those scenes just did something to me. Seems like in the post credit scene Kamala's bangle was sending out a signal like a beacon like the ten rings in Shang-Chi. Maybe Carol Danvers was in space on a mission and found the second bangle which resulted in them swapping places. Since the there are two bangles they have to be the Nega-Bands/Quantum-Bands....hopefully Kamala didn't teleport to a Kree-Skrull War or the Negative Zone. The bangles are definitely Kree technology. What would be funny af in THE MARVELS movie that once Kamala and Carol switched places, they switched powers too! Hearing Bruno tell Kamala she has a MUTATION and the XMEN'97 theme playing gave me chills. Kamala could have a mutation and still be Inhuman....it could've just been a tease that mutants and the X-Men are coming soon.
@@DibsDraws You do realized comics tend to retconned a lot of things for multiple times, right? Don't even bring up comic when you don't even understand how it works.
Truth is Kamala was suppose to be a mutant when she was created but the Fox rights to the X-men made Marvel try to increase the popularity of the Inhumans so they made her inhuman but because Marvel own the X-men again she is what she was originally going to be a mutant.
@@zeroskaterz92 Can't really call this one a retcon since she was originally was suppose to be a mutant but because Fox owned the X-men Marvel tried to replace the X-men with the Inhumans so they made her Inhuman. Now she is what she originally was going to be.
@@zeroskaterz92 but Juggernaut isn't a mutant in the comics. He's always been powered by the crystal. Even lost the crystal before, if I'm not mistaken. The guy was just helping the original dude by correcting them.
The "I feel like the show ended" is exactly how i felt going into this episode too! 🤣 It actually ended up making me more excited to see what they did with the episode though.
My understanding on the previous episode is that the mother closed the veil and sent the energy to Kamran... they didn't do a great job explaining that particular part.
The way I see this working is that Kamala has a mutant gene that didn't activate until without an outside source -- the bangle. Normally mutation occurs during puberty, but it can also be jump-start through high levels of stress or other emotions, as well as through exposure to radiation. If the bangle works as a form of cosmic radiation, it could have kicked her mutant gene into high gear. This would mean that her family may or may not also possess the mutant gene, but they're all dormant, and possibly undetectable.
So in SHIELD, the terrigen mist was separate from the protective casing of the "stone". Touching the casing turned a normal human to stone but would spare someone with Inhuman genes. Contact with the mist was what triggered the metamorphosis, but it wasn't necessarily harmful to humans. The Inhumans in Afterlife had to replicate the terrigen crystals but their version had impurities from the stone for *some reason* (they had to break it open or something, so the particles got mixed). So it was basically both things merged into one, and the crystal itself and its copies had particles of the stone and would both kill humans and metamorphose Inhumans. Later when the crystals went into the ocean, seemingly the particles got separated from the terrigen, and the fishies ate it, then the fishies got turned into fish oil, and it was safe for humans but triggered the change in Inhumans.
I loved this series! Kamala is one of my favorite marvel characters, and Iman Vellani plays her in such a charming way. Can’t wait to see more of Kamala in the future!
I usually enjoy Blind Wave discussions but everyone, especially Eric, seemed to forget a lot of things that were directly stated during the season. I think it’s also weird to state you can use one word in place of Djinn. They made a point to say that Thor would’ve also been considered a Djinn. They are not Djinn in the traditional sense. Also, most POC don’t want an entire show of someone dealing with discrimination. We deal with it enough in the real world. If anything, the show could’ve had a couple more episodes or a longer run time.
I would have extended her training under the Red Daggers so that she could explore more her powers and they could explain the Clandestines (where did their weapons cone from?) and how they were able to learn about Aisha
@@nataliajimenez1870 agreed! I would’ve loved to see her training with the Red Daggers more. It seemed like she went from having little control of her powers to almost full control fairly quickly. It also would’ve added a bit more weight to the character’s (his name alludes me) death. While there we definitely could’ve got more backstory on the Clandestines.
@@unicornburger16 that my biggest complaint with most of the Disney + Marvel shows. There are so few episodes and also short run times for each episode. I really hope they start to give these shows a bit more time so the writers can explore what they’d like at a good pace.
@@childhoodshour At the same time though, the best part about this show is the characters and the culture IMO. A full episode focusing on training and the secret organisations fighting eachother would interrupt the main strengths IMO.
The woman who said "She looks so... familiar" is G. Willow Wilson (the writer who created Kamala Khan) The Noor/Clandestine stuff is from Kamala's mother's side. The mutant thing is from her father's side. It should have been fleshed out better; they needed at least eight episodes.
The current X-storyline has them all on the island nation of Krakoa, I'd imagine it'll be revealed that all mutants have relocated to the island and Prof X, the most powerful telepath in the world, made everyone forget their existence.
I would like to say I was one of the ones that was dead wrong on how entertaining Ms Marvel could be. I assumed bad things cause of the video game, assumed she would be corny, and that the feel of the show would be generic. I don’t think I could’ve been more happier to be wrong I swear. Iman(Kamala actress) is such a nerd when it comes to her Marvel knowledge. Because she actually loves comics, she’s my new fav actor in all of MCU. I also personally think she will be the next most successful MCU star, I truly believe she’ll be the next best thing. I hated Captain Marvel for the way did some stuff in that movie, ruined my excitement and didn’t feel like caring about her. Now, I couldn’t be more excited for the Marvels. I absolutely enjoyed this show, surprisingly, really, it’s in my top 2 personal fav MCU shows lumped in with WandaVision. That’s how much this show made me regret being a dick before hand.
I am not, HOWEVER, keeping this same energy for She Hulk, I do not have those same feelings, that shit looks so bad, shit hopefully I’m wrong about that shit too
@@Sin-Tuj My only complain about She_Hulk is the CGI. I wonder why they can't just hire a female athletic just like they did back then with Lou Ferrigno. well I hope they fix the CGI when the series got released
dang the aside from the video game not being all that great, it really put me on to kamala as a character and thought she was the best part of the game haha
@@DarkJGamer imma be honest, couldn’t get past some part of the game cause, you obviously know, but I do agree she was actually tolerable, and she was the most fun to play as. Deleted the game within a week or two.
Hey Blind Wave! I just wanted to send this to you after watching your Ms. Marvel episode 6 reaction. This is an answer Iman Vellani (actress who play Kamala) gave regarding Kamala being a mutant. “i dont think kamran is a mutant, i could be wrong but here is how I justify the whole thing: Kamala's bangle activated her latent X- Gene which allows her to harness the energy from the noor dimension and facilitates her ability to wield and shape the noor. kamran doesn't have the x gene, his powers were forced upon him and so he cant control it like kamala can. again I could be totally wrong, i am theorizing with you guys!” Also, the showrunner revealed that they got to tell the story the wanted to tell, but Feige had them throw in her bring a mutant. The mastermind must have a plan. Also, they did confirm it was Carol and Kamala switching places.
Here’s another quote from Iman regarding being a mutant instead of inhuman: Honestly I’m very happy we went this route. I’m a huge xmen fan and what an incredible honour to be the first official mutant in the mcu!!! It was the original intent for the comic character anyway.
This is the best of the Disney+ finales imo. Not weighed down by exposition the way Loki’s was, but also not mired in being an episode length fight scene like all the other ones.
"Not weighed down by exposition by the way Loki's was"... so in other words you hate dialogue driven scenes and you just want mindless action? Did I get that right?
@@ThePonderer lol the loki finale was not weighed down by exposition. Not at all. The show was just simply explaining what was going on and why everything in the MCU has been happening and Kang perfectly explained it and it was mind blowing. Ms. Marvel was a snooze fest and added nothing to the MCU at all.
I really need to thanks Blind Wave and all there fans, I'm not to clued up on all the comics and things like that, but you all help me understand everything so much easier, glad I found the blind wave channel ❤️
Finishing the last episode and realizing y’all hadn’t uploaded the finale yet had me confused (I watched it 11 days after it came out). Good to see y’all back.
It is definitely not the same photo. Sana told Kamala that she did not have photo's of her mother, then showed a painting of her "what I could remember." The photo that she had was just Sana and her father, while Kamala brought back the picture of all three, Hasan, Aisha, and Sana.
Believe me, the whole having to follow multiple separate titles to keep up w/ a storyline, making you read unpopular titles, has been a Marvel deal for decades. I collected comics in the 80's and was finally done w/ it in the 90's because not only were there a TON of character crossovers, they also released alternate 'collectors' covers, it was all too expensive and too much.
I love how deep these guys dive into the lore, discuss what's onscreen and in the comics, and their own opinions. It makes for such a fascinating post-reaction!
ignoring the comics completely, I still don't think her power origin is too confusing. - Her great grandmother was clandestine and could use the bangle, but not to access the noor. - Her grandmother was born 1/2 human with no x-gene and could not use the bangle. - Her mother is even more human and also could not. - Kamala was born with the x-gene and equipping the bangle activated it (this was stated explicitly by Bruno in an earlier episode, but without yet knowing it was connected to a mutation). - Her mutation is allowing her to access the noor energy from outside their dimension, which clandestines normally cannot. Seems straightforward enough.
You’re right that your interpretation is straightforward however I think it was bad writing that it was left open to interpretation and not explained. Plus it’s annoying for someone who came from the comics or any other ms.marvel/X-men thing
They may be altering what mutants are going forward. To distinguish the future of the MCU from the old xmen movie. It did feel out of left field but I have faith they will tie it together. Maybe I'm the mcu mutations have to be triggered. Like with Wade Wilson. That could open things up for Carol Danvers, quicksilver and scarlet witch all being mutants. That could be how they justify the fact that mutants aren't yet seen in the universe. I mean if kids like Scott summers were developing deadly powers at puberty you'd think iron man would have known about it. I'm closing the holes myself here but I'll wait to see before I judge. I enjoyed this show much more than I expected. Middle aged white dude stoked to see inclusive representation. They did this well and I'm happy to see how much this show meant to people who can relate to these characters. I'm looking forward to Kamalas story going forward.
Truth is Kamala was suppose to be a mutant when she was created but the Fox rights to the X-men made Marvel try to increase the popularity of the Inhumans so they made her inhuman but because Marvel own the X-men again she is what she was originally going to be a mutant.
Why would that open up things for Carol? She got her powers from the Tesaract. Thats why she is crazy powerfull. Unlike Wanda Carol had no powers as a child that got empored by an infinity stone
Bruno specifically said the brother doesn't have whatever mutated gene that Kamala has ... they are definitely saying she is the first acknowledged mutant in the MCU. Doesn't mean she's the first mutant we'll have met. But yes, even if it was planned the whole time, it was definitely tacked on and the music sting makes it definitive, at least to me.
Wanda is technically a mutant since in the flashback in wandavision she stopped the stark missile from exploding as a child and that’s before the experiments and first contact with the mind stone.
29:30 - Bruno did say her powers come from within, they're not from the bangle. It's possible contact with the bangle activated her powers, like a lot of mutants get their powers at specific events, like if they're in danger. Some get it as they just grow up, but not all. So yeah she has a bunch of elements all added together: She has a possibly Kree bangle that activated her powers. She is related to people from another dimension (I think they're still mostly human, same as in Shang Chi) She has the mutant gene.
Mutants can unlock the x genes in many ways not just through puberty also kamala is the only one in her family who can use powers after wearing the bracelet even aisha couldn't do it like bruno said she's the only one in her family with a mutation but the bangle has powers of its on like traveling through space and time that's how she went back and that's how she switched places with Carol also in the comics Mutants can be alien and not only humans and cyclops powers come from a diffrent dimensions they're not lasers they're kinetic energy coming through portals from his eyes
Exactly, bruno clearly said that she is different from her family but that seems to go over people's heads. So basically, it is not the clandestine gene in her coz her mom and grandmother don't have them.
@32:00 Earlier in the show they already said the power is coming from within her, not the bengal. It may have activated her x-gene though she is around the age when it gets activated anyway, and may be augmenting it, but it is not the source of her power. Also the creator said she wanted her to be mutant but as you guys stated, marvel was only doing inhumans. It is one of the Kree Nega Bands and it is why she was able to swap places with Capt Marvel. It is a power they had in the older comics.
Think Jean Grey and Phoenix. The Phoenix is not Jean's mutation. It was an alien power that was attracted to her mutated power and could be wielded by her (until it couldn't). The Noor power could be the same in this MCU mutant version of Khamala.
@@avonbarksdale91 mutants have such a ridiculous range of power scales and sources of power. You've got your other dimension power bases like Cyclops and Nightcrawler, but then the basic people with slight body changes such as Angel and Domino, then some who are practically gods like Iceman.
I love that she shapeshifted in the show, because that is how she got the name Ms. Marvel in the comics. Her shapeshifting made her look like a younger version of carol danvers. Which is why Kamala’s suit is familiar. It’s a nod to Carol’s first Ms. Marvel uniform.
From making kamala a mutant(which was actually the original intention) to Black Bolt’s death in Multiverse of madness I’m now convinced it’s all Kevin fegie’s giant middle finger to Ike Perlmutter and his Inhumans agenda. For those that don’t know when kamala was created she part of this larger push to make the Inhuamans “a thing” which also why they were pushed in AoS. Basically he turned them into Walmart X-men since they didn’t have the film rights and that went about as well as you expect(that inhumans show basically killed their reputation). Thankfully with the Disney-Fox merger the FF and X-men film rights are back with marvel. So technically… it’s all a course correction. It’s also ironic that the one thing inhumans had over x-men was the game thrones interpersonal politics. Yet read any modern x-men comic(basically anything post House of X set in in this new Krakoa era right now) it has that in spades. Especially with what’s going on in the judgment day event(won’t spoil because its actually really interesting stuff).
Sooooooo remember how you were all like, "No, you're dumb." when I said that they were going to do EXACTLY THIS in the last video's comments?! Consider yourself humbled.
I wouldn’t say they were really forced into aos. Some of the best characters in the early seasons of aos are inhumans, like Daisy, Lincoln, Andrew, Gordon
@@JadenCole77 I also left a comment that wasn't a reply to anything where I talk about how fox owned the concept of mutants so marvel just stopped making stories about mutants so that they could stop giving fox fodder to make shitty movies. And either Eric saw it or he and I were just on the same wavelength because he was talking about the same thing in this wrap up. Either way, it was super satisfying.
Kudos to you guys for avoiding spoilers. it seems already by the end of the day this episode came out, there were already tons of articles plastered all over the internet talking about that post-credit scene. I felt so bad for anybody who did not get to see the episode yet. In fact, either that same night or the very next day (I cannot remember exactly), I noticed a tv commercial for Ms. Marvel on Disney+ that even included that last scene with Bruno talking to Kamala about her genes. I could not believe they would already "spoil" that themselves.
Yh and but around here Aaron said this 36:04 , idk if he’s talking about Rick and Calvin 100% but that decreases my hope for it coming one day. Which is a shame cause SHIELD is one of my top3 favourite shows
@@JoaoPedroDamaso I hope he has a little bit of time to think about it and research what the showrunners have to say about the Noor activating her X-Gene and maybe address it on the next podcast.
I’m so freaking happy that it was in Ms. Marvel we got the Spider-Man 1 moment of people the hero protects stand up and protect their hero. AND that we got her to both use and say EMBIGGEN!!!!! Overall I wish we had gotten 2 or even 3 more episodes to build up this show as well as spend more time with Kamala and her friends and family. Disney+ needs to give these shows more time to breath, like Wandavision. But I’m still happy that we got as much as we got, and I can’t wait to see more Ms. Marvel in The Marvels. And even though we may never get Inhumans in the MCU on Earth-616 we just got the first mention of MUTANTS IN THE MCU!!!💥💥💥💥
@@patricksocha6930 We see it in 'Spider-man' too, when Green Goblin attacks him at the bridge. And to OP, totally agreed. Lots of Spider-man parallels woven throughout the show and it feels totally appropriate (even Kamala catching the car at the end felt like a direct reference to a similar scene in 'Spider-man 2'). And one or two more episodes would've let them fix one of the few outright flaws for me, where the Clandestines just totally flip from good (or at worst neutral) to bad guys within about 15 screen minutes.
@@patricksocha6930 yeah, in the first one when Goblin is about to Spider-Man on the bridge all the New Yorkers start throwing stuff at him to keep him busy. One of the single says “You mess with one of us you mess with all of us!”
BilndWave missed it but the entire show explained that the bangles passed through family heritage but they couldn't use the bangles. It was shown in the flashback that they tryed but couldn't. The bangles power is controlled and used well by Ms.Marvel because of the mutant gene. The bangles power was used randomly by accident throughout the family using it. The bangles called to Kamala because of the mutant gene. The bangles were technically useless with out a mutant using them.
19:22 This is the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), there’s no such thing as normal!!!! Normal flew out the window when the enternals first arrived on earth and then Captain America was born.
Guys, in the comics, the Celestials also experimented on mankind just like the Kree. The Celestials put the X gene in humans just like the Kree put the Inhuman gene in mankind. Also, Kevin Fiege confirmed that they have changed Kamala to a mutant. So, yes she is the first confirmed mutant in the MCU. Also, theories are that Fatsos from the Eternals made the 10 rings, & the bangles aka The Negabands amongst other items.
Eric getting caught up on the mutation thing was absolutely hilarious to me, I definitely got caught up on it too when I watched and for him to want to talk about it more when the other 3 had moved on to other topics resonated with me so much and I was crying with laughter. I also had the same reaction about the Clandestines having no patience earlier in the series so I feel fulfilled that he brought those things up too. Something I thought y'all would bring up that wasn't mentioned is how it was said previously there are 2 'bangles' and my current running theory is that the 2nd 'bangle' was composed of the Ten Rings from Shang-Chi, also the 'Noor' dimension could be part of the Multiverse and **puts on tin foil hat** maybe it's the same place that the Ta Lo village people came from because they could also seemingly wield magic that was enabled by the rings. As much as Eric brought up points that I myself made while watching, I still feel my answer to the poll is more-so optimistic. I haven't personally seen the X-men movies particularly but ofcourse I know of some like Xavier, Wolverine etc. I agree with Aaron I want Marvel to somewhat create their own X-men lore movie/series and I don't think what we've seen here is enough to substantiate the origin of that, so I'm excited if that is what they could do.
The mutant ability is "the embiggen" power where she stretches her limbs. The Klan-destine ability is the light/crystal stuff- which mirrors what Kamron has. And her Grandmother DID have the Klan-Destine power. As a child, she instinctively manipulated the shards from Kamala's broken crystal to find her dad. Her mom seemed to reject the whole idea of the bangle. She probably never tried to use the power....
Not me. Aisha was a full fledged Clandestine, and could only barely use it. It took BOTH the Clandestine AND X-Gene to fully use it. Kamron's power will turn out to be something parallel, but not identical. Note his troubles controlling it. Kamala may not have mastered the abilities immediately, but the malfunctions were little more than visions and glowy body parts. I think by the end of The Marvels we'll learn she doesn't actually need the Bangle. Kamron may also be a Mutant, OR he'll be some kind of mutagenic change (that's slightly different) which also accesses Noor, but less efficiently/controlled. If the later, It'll kill him, or doom him eventually.
If you listen to Bruno he also mentioned that she is able to manipulate the Noor energy that her Grandmother, mother, all of her cousins for now, and brother can’t use it properly.
Jenny is the one who makes wishes come true as in the movies, the jinn are of two types, one evil type and the other are peaceful. They exist but in their real world.
Well, the way they explained it, was she got the Noor and the power from the bangle, and that could be the aura, but her stretchyness and what not is from her x-gene.
I do kinda agree with Eric that it does seem like the mutant thing was a last minute addition. I know they're saying the bracelet awaken her X-gene, and that her powers draw from the Noor dimension. But its pretty flimsy bc it would have worked with or without the mutant part, but it also makes sense bc Kevin's made it pretty clear we're not getting Inhumans so they had to let us know by the end if she was gonna be an Inhuman or not. I'm overall okay with it but could have been written better with the villains.
Kevin himself actually added that scene himself - he told the creators to just film the scene & let him worry about the rest. So I’m assuming they’ll explain further down the line! Source: The Direct
39:00 Tbf, mutants having powers tied to other dimensions isn't unprecedented (Cyclops and Nightcrawler) and the Phoenix Force is just a cosmic entity completely separate from mutants that just happens to target them as hosts sometimes.
I’m sad they aren’t introducing Inhumans yet but I am happy with the decision to make Kamala a mutant, the OG comic right wanted her to be a mutant but the producers made her change it
Truth is Kamala was suppose to be a mutant when she was created but the Fox rights to the X-men made Marvel try to increase the popularity of the Inhumans so they made her inhuman but because Marvel own the X-men again she is what she was originally going to be a mutant.
My issue is that they aren't consistent lol. The OG writer also wanted Kamala's powers to not be flashy. This is one of the flashiest powers ever. So not keeping the OG decision for her powers can't happen, but the OG source of her powers can 🤔. Still loved the series tho. Happy for those who wanted mutants
If anyone wants to clear anything up from this episode iman vellani(kamala) did an AMA on reddit after the episode dropped she answers all the stuff about her being a mutant.
Two theories: Not sure how the MCU will handle the different types of mutation. According to the FoxMCU, the X-gene is handed down from the Father. So if we follow that, she’s half Djinn on her Mother’s side and was given the X-gene from her Father’s side. The gene skipped her brother. Second theory: Kamala was given an M-gene from her Father. The M-gene is activated by radioactivity. The bracelet was the catalyst. The light from the Noor could give off some type of CMBR. You could adapt this to Wanda, Carol and Monica. Wanda and Carol whose M-gene was activated from the infinity stones (gamma radiation) and Monica’s mutation was activated by the CMBR given off by the Hex.
Scott aka Cyclops gets his power from another dimension, also Nightcrawler travels through a different dimension when he uses his ability. Kamala can control the nor from another dimension, and she can probably do it without the Bengal like Camron did, but the Bengal helps with her focus.
Her mutant powers are likely Embiggen, notice that Kamran can't Embiggen and only use the Noor. Ms. Marvel is using the Noor on top of the Embiggen, which likely the bracelet/Noor is acting like the Terrigen Mists would have and unlocked her mutant gene. She has two different powers ultimately, Embiggen and Noor, which are separated powers. Also you have to remember that Inhumans are Mutants too, their powers are just unlocked using Terrigen Mists/Kree. Mutants is just as Ms. Marvel puts it, "another label", they aren't overly special as mutants populate Marvel insanely high. Also, Ms. Marvel isn't the first mutant, Spider-Man is, sure he wasn't born with the mutant gene, but he is still a mutated human and a mutant, and in reality you could probably argue that Scarlet Witch is the first mutant, because she gained her mutation/powers from the Reality Stone with Quicksilver getting them from the Scepter. All of these people likely just have a mutation gene that allows for these things to trigger compared to another person getting it done to them. For instance, what if Captain America got experimented on by the scepter? Would he get Quicksilver's speed? Or did Quicksilver only get it because he happened to have a mutated gene? The MCU aren't the comics, you gotta separate them, there are already tons of differences already.
Yeah I think this as well, mutants in the mcu will people with xgene that have the potential to get powers. So you could say Peter is a mutant, his genes unlocked when reacting to the spiders venom, maybe any regular human would h e just died. If they go with this it means they can have their cake and eat it too. So they can have some mutants that have been around for a long time but maybe they are on the rarer side, then they can say mutants were discovered recently as more people's genes are being activated due to all odd energies happening on earth. People effected by Wanda like Pulsar, people effected by being snapped, people effected by celestial energy. Just say the x gene is generally a dormant gene in humans that can be activated by outside stimuli, which grants them powers
@@maldrix5449 are you calling Monica Pulsar?! I like that. Lol She’s def a mutant. Darcy gave her the exact speech Bruno gave to Kamala about her genes changing.
@@maldrix5449 Likely going to be the case I imagine, especially with Eternals being introduced with mutations and watching humanity grow/adapt/evolve, the likelihood of Kang and Moon Knight (which could open the door to Apocalypse), the fact that Wanda exists in a Universe where Prof. X exists, which makes that Wanda a mutant and likely Magneto's daughter, and likely makes Black Bolt a mutant as well, and so on. Really most Marvel characters are some type of mutant in reality. It also helps that Ms. Marvel was originally intended to be a mutant anyway, but it was changed to her being an Inhuman. I mean hell Inhumans are just Kree Mutants, they do have a mutant gene after all, and X-Men are more Eternals/Natural Evolution mutant gene. So its all irrelevant in the end, for all we know, the Ten Rings and Bracelet could be Kree in origin and the Djinn are an off-shoot mutation of the Kree. At the end of the day, mutant is just a broad ass term in Marvel that it doesn't really matter how its used, X-Men or not.
I don't feel that Embiggen is a separate power. In the scene when she stands up after she "Embiggens," it looks to me like her actual limbs inside the Noor, exactly where they normally are, while the Noor creates the Embiggened shape (possibly based on what she imagines when she says the word, since I think as she gets a handle on the powers she can make them be exactly what she said in episode 2: "An idea come to life.")
@@dezzconnor8360 Which is fair, they may not even be separate powers, but even then, its pretty clear that she has a mutant gene that was activated by the bangle, but I think the idea is more that her and Kamran's powers are very different. You can argue that they just use them differently, but even then, her stretchy powers/ideas come to life is very unique to her in comparison to just straight 'hard light constructs', in reality she is a live action Armor/Hisako Ichiki with the ability to stretch her 'exoskeleton' than she is a Ms. Marvel. You could argue that her ability to envelop herself in the Noor and use it the way she does it the mutant gene affecting the Noor, ie: her mutant ability is literally to manipulate hard light into ideas, whereas Kamran can more just manipulate hard light as a by product, but can't form it into necessarily the ideas or exoskeleton than Ms. Marvel can, or maybe he can and he too has a mutant gene. Either way, I think its pretty tame to call her mutant when she was originally meant to be one anyway and they're trying to separate her more from Mr. Fantastic after all. I doubt they'd have ever added Armor into the MCU, so its a neat idea to combine the two ideas in a lot of ways. Ms. Marvel was Mr. Fantastic combined with Ant Man originally anyway.
If they say mutation and play that theme, i dont see how thats confusing. There is litterally nothing else thst could mean. People are confusing themsrlves by not accepting what is being told.
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So just researched & found out that, when X-men rights were with Fox, MS Marvel was gonna start off as a mutant in the comics, but then FOX STUDIOS would also have the rights to live action Kamala Khan so they made her a part of Inhumans ! Same with Knull (Symbiot GOD).! MCU will have to make a deal with Sony in the future cause Knull has Venom & Spidey connections ! That’s why we didn’t see Knull reference in Thor Love & Thunder!!
Inhumans will be part of secret invasion series as shown in Secret Invasion comics !
Thank you Eric, for pouring scorn on the vacuous, asinine argument that is "wokeism", & all the deep-seated insecurities associated with it.😊 Imagine being privileged enough to say that Ms Marvel is pretty much the only superhero show that doesn't cater to you & your specific demographic.... To be in that racial/gender/cultural category where to be endlessly represented is so commonplace, that its regularity causes those very people to take it for granted; & in some cases to resent & whine about the efforts to redress the balance. Pure clownery!😉
I think it's already been mentioned, but when creating the character of Kamala Khan in the comics the creators originally wanted her to be a mutant. However, this was during the time when Fox owned the licensing but now that it's back at Marvel they made her a mutant as was originally envisioned. I welcome this! Can't wait to see what comes next!
Yeah but it was for the best that she is a inhuman, because of that she is more free and not trap in the comic mutant problem. How many mutant character get a solo run in comic except wolverine, long love character like storm, beast doesn't get comic.
@@willblaze2805 absolutely. It's going to be interesting to see what they'll do with her now that she's a mutant, if she keeps out of the mutants storyline, it feels like an useless reveal. Namor will literally arrive in a couple of months. Could've made him the first mutant. And if she does get involve she'll dwarf smaller characters that could use the screen time and get dwarfed by the OG's. Also she lost a connection with Carol, being their both Kree experiments
@@willblaze2805 storm has one of the biggest stories in xmen rn.... she leads a team & has multiple storylines
I somehow think this is incorrect. Fox had movie and television rights to X-men characters. Not mutants. Certainly had nothing to do with the comics as Fox had no pull there at all, same goes for merchandising. Pretty sure Fox tried to sue Marvel once over the use of the word mutant in show title..."Mutant X". They settled, and didn't use the word to describe anything in the MCU going further which was honestly a preemptive fail safe against litigation. Still, nothing to do with the comics.
@@StebieJ yeah but that book about x-men not her, she only have 2 or 3 solo run and for colossus, Forge and other is even less. Only character like wolverine, deadpool or Cable have entire book to them many great x men character doesn't get anything and it is worse for new created characters like Miss Marvel. Name me one mutant created in 2000s that get solo comic about then other then x-23 Wolverine
What I've heard is that the bangle she wore throughout the show didn't give her her powers but actually unlocked her x-gene so her powers could activate. That's why Bruno said the powers were coming from her and not the bangle.
Why was Kamrans powers also crystal like though? it'd be too coincidental if their mutant powers were so similar. I think the probability that her powers only look like that because of the bangle has skyrocketed.
@@Kaleb_SMILE yeah her powers are her ability to stretch embiggen her body. But she has the power to access the noor energy using the bangle because she’s a mutant.
Bruno literally said the bangle activated her powers earlier in the show. In like episode 2 or 3
@@Kaleb_SMILE they have the forcr dyad connection, my man.
@@SpiderManMCUniverse the same thing happens with Inhumans also
They have also different genes & different powers inside them
The Terrigin Mist Activates those powers
What If that bangle has Terrigin Mist inside
For all those concerned with kamala becoming an X-men. If it’s anything like her relation with the inhumans she may be one of them but she’s not active part she is a solo act like spider-man. Besides not all mutants are tied with the X-men.
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No one cares about the inhumans
Exactly, the comics have her origin as being an inhumans but she’s not part of the inhuman team. She’s a mutant now but shes probably not gonna be an X-men, she’s most likely gonna be an avenger more then Anything. I want mutants on the avengers team anyways
Yeah I do NOT want her in x-men.
Also if I recall the creators of the Ms Marvel comic originally intended for her to be a mutant, so it's come full circle
Hey guys, you forgot an essential part of an early episode of the show, where Bruno says to her that the bangle DOES not gave her powers, it only activated something inside of her (that now we know it’s the X-Gene). So she can manipulate that energy, the same way other Mutants can manipulate other stuff.
They mention that in the discussion
I don't understand why some people are making her mutation more complicated than it has to be. It's not that confusing. It's just different from what most of us expected. It's annoying sometimes that people these days have no patience to let things develop. They have to be able to know everything all the time. Sometimes it takes the fun out of things.
@@telenuvem6355 it especially makes no sense as the Deadpool movies did the exact same thing with Ajax's torture experiments. Deadpool isn't a mutant, and neither is Juggernaut, for that matter.
@@my5head dude.... if you actually question how things make sense in the MCU, then you'll have to question everything and that makes the classic MCU phase 3 movies an easy target. How the heck does the time travel in Endgame make sense anyway? Sloppy, convenient plot device. Once you watch Loki, that time travel falls apart. Coming back in time to previous point creates split timelines by its nature, and as we've seen in Loki, these are not closed loops in time. What happens in the past actually affects the future, so how the heck is Cap. back to the same timeline as an old man? That would imply a closed loop, which is not how time travel seems to work in the MCU. We are in the multiverse, which means everything is possible, including realities where Deadpool is a mutant and Ms marvel as well. I love mutants and the X-Men but I honestly don't care about these changes. Again, this is a multiverse, every single possibility actually exists. Because it's not like in comics it doesn't mean it's wrong.
@@telenuvem6355 bro I was saying that it doesn't make sense that people are confused.
I think it makes total sense, because none of kamala's ancestors had those powers as she has now. the bangle was able to unlock the noor and the dimension but her shape shifting and stretching powers came from mutation. The bangle in future I think will serve purpose for time travel and inter dimension connections only
Kamala getting her suit from her mother and getting her hero name from her father are two of the best scenes I've seen in the MCU. I mean there's other scenes from other projects that I've enjoyed but those two scenes between Kamala and her parents did something to me. Seems like in the post credit scene the bangle was sending out a signal like a beacon just like the ten rings in Shang-Chi. Maybe Carol Danvers was in space on a mission and she found the second bangle which resulted in them swapping places. Since they swapped places the bangles gotta be the Nega/Quantum-Bands....hopefully Kamala didn't teleport to a Kree-Skrull War or the Negative Zone! Bruno telling Kamala he found a MUTATION and the XMEN'97 theme playing gave me chills. But Kamala can still be Inhuman, Inhumans have mutations too. It was probably just teasing that mutants and the X-Men are coming soon. What would be funny af in THE MARVELS movie is if after Kamala and Carol switched places....they switched powers too! The bangles are definitely Kree technology.
Considering that Kamala was originally supposed to be a mutant and really the only thing outside the royal family that is popular regarding the Inhumans, that's probably why they changed her. Give her a stronger connection to a vastly more popular brand. Honestly, I'm okay with it, because fuck Perlmutter.
Agreed most definitely.
After doing a little research I can say without a doubt that The Bangle is most definitely the MCU version of the Nega-Bands and may have some connection to the Ten Rings worn by the Mandarin. The bangle was found by Aisha in an abandoned Ten Rings temple on the severed blue arm of what is most likely a Kree. And about the Quantum Bands, they were believed to be the weapons known to the Kree as the "Power-Bands of Rinn" that were the prototype for the Nega-Bands.
@@2apocalypse-X and given that, The ten rings are more likely the quantum bands (given they were made by a primordial of the multiverse it would make sense wong, banner and carol didn’t recognize them)
It seems a little confusing with with her powers and the Noor but also its weirdly similar to how Cyclops powers work too. Its not just laser blasts, he’s constantly letting off a concussive force from another dimension
PUNCH DIMENSION
If I'm correct, that was changed
The idea I took away was that Kamala inherited the Clandestine ability to use the noor, but that normally only works in the noor dimension. Her mutant power is being able to connect to the noor in our dimension as well, and her X-gene was dormant until the bangle activated it. Since aliens can have the X-gene too in the comics (Thanos is a mutant Eternal), maybe that's what the bangle is--some kind of Kree tech designed to activate the X-gene?
I think Kamran has the power through a slightly different way--his mom absorbed the portal and sent it to him, so now the portal is inside him, and he's using it to connect to the noor dimension and sort of pull noor energy out of there.
I think that the Bangle is the MCU version of the Kree Naga-Bands or the Quantum Bands that the superheroe Quasar had.
I’d also argue that the mutant gene is just that, a mutation meaning that it’s random so it makes sense to me that she’s the only mutant in her family. Like how Bobby from the X-Men movies was the only mutant in his family
I'm thinking her X-Gene ability is the ability to WIELD the "Noor", the energy of the Clandestine dimension.
You guys mentioned the Phoenix Force.. maybe how Jean Gray has the Phoenix Force and can wield the Phoenix Force? Maybe? Something like that? Hopefully, we find out in The Marvels.
There's a ton of 'interdimensional' mutant abilities - Shadowcat phases into an alternate dimension, Nightcrawler moves entirely into one to teleport, Cyclops' beams are interdimensional energy, Juggernaut pulls energy from an interdimensional entity for infinite momentum. There's probably a ton more I can't think of right now.
Magik’s mutant powers are literally from another hell-like dimension.
@@shamsham1229 Her's are also tied to the sword she summons.
Excellent point. Except juggernaut's not a mutant. Just been an antagonist, and for a little while a member of the x-men .
Scarlet Witch's powers come from chaos magic. Now whether they will retcon her into being a mutant this entire time remains to be seen.
@@nkmarks8568 true. I'm in the comics her history is been rather convoluted.
Cyclop's eyes are actually interdimensional portals, gateways to a dimension full of a strange concussive energy. Could be something similar to that or how Magik’s powers are tied to Inter-dimensional travel and nightcrawler teleports with the Brimstone dimension. Maybe even Scarlet Witch’s inherent mutation was a probability power since she was able to stop the bomb when she was little.
Ms Marvels mutation may connect her to inter-dimensional powers and the bangle concentrates/accesses it, or acts as a conduit for it whereas her relatives before her had no powers with the bangle
It was also a stressful time during the cosplay competition at Avengercon and that is one way in which mutant powers are first expressed. Almost like a metaphor for puberty.
Agatha mentions in Scarlet Witch that Wanda making the bomb not explode was a spell she unknowingly cast.
I love that she ends with
"Whatever it is, it's just another label"
and still all the internet is about, is that she's a mutant instead of an inhuman now.
I mean, I get that a lot of people, me included, want an inhuman storyline in the mainline MCU-616, but you can have both of these things.
I want a Black Bolt that isn't killed because Idiot McGee tells their enemy exactly what he can do.
I mean. That's Kamala's character to a T to say that.
I do think her being a mutant and a djinn was a lot for me too at the time.
I've accepted, but at first, I was like.... what???!!!!
Idiot McGee? Dr Doom approves.
ok but doesn’t Scott (Cyclops) use his power by transporting energy directly from another realm?? quite literally exactly what kamala is doing ? also NightCrawler takes him through the brimstone dimension between each teleportation… so idk maybe i’m crazy but Kamala being a mutant and manipulating energy directly from a dimension that apparently her ancestors are from.. idk it makes sense to me🤷🏻♂️
I hope that everyone is 100% clear that Deever did NOT mean "kids" when she was tlaking about "the wrong people" getting powers.
There is definite subtext to her every interaction with the community.....
Did she mean Muslims or Mutants?
If she meant kids, the Sentinels are on the way.
@@shamsham1229 she meant musllims but to not look racist in front of her colleagues, she changed it to kids
*talking
It's the "The Boys" concept of a Super-Terrorist
I think they’re implying that she was a mutant AND a Djinn/Clandestine. The bangle gives her access to the Noor but it also activated her mutant gene/Xfactor. That’s why Kamrans powers and her powers (usage wise) are different.
Mutant powers have such an insane range, Kamala drawing energy from a light dimension really isn't that far out an idea. Like I'm pretty sure Nightcrawler does a similar thing to bamf, and in the comics she draws on energy from different versions of herself in the Multiverse to transform and heal
Yeah, when Nightcrawler and Azazel teleport, they enter another dimension, which is why they're teleporting is accompanied by the smell of sulfur. I think it's also canon that Cyclops' lasers are concentrated from some kind of energy dimension.
Also magik gets some power from another dimension right?
Still think its lame they changed her powers.
@@DarkElfPaladin Dr strange explained it and AGENTS OF SHIELD how cool would it be if LOKI ends up bringing agents of shield mainstream and actually have Daisy as head of shield and colson classic comic relief but he helps form young avengers and give iron hart her scholarship
@@anthonyspencer9527 I meant the sister of colossus, magik. I forget the name of the dimension she draws power from. Though doesn't quake in the comics have some stuff in secret invasion? And we are getting a secret invasion show so I'll cross my fingers that she shows up in it. Though I'll try not to get my hopes up.
Eric is way overthinking the mutant/ X-Men thing. It's not messy at all.
Agree
I get what they are saying tho. Do kamran have same mutation to kamala? They have the exact powers. Are they a dyad in the force??
@@cis4659 how do they have the exact powers? They have a similar look with the light stuff but Kamala's stretching is different, she makes platforms with the light, shields, all Kamran has done is thrown the light out at things.
Small Theory: Since they explained earlier in the series that Kamala is able to access the Noor energy due to her mixed Clandestine and Human lineage, the bangle could be the catalyst that activated the mutant gene (calling it this for now as the X-gene is not yet name dropped on any MCU content), giving her the ability to mold and harness the Noor energy on Earth.
Now this doesn't fully explain Kamran's ability (which is messy in it of itself), but Najma could've been the catalyst, giving her limited Noor access to Kamran, together with his limited access could've opened the access a bit more to give him the ability to also mold Noor, but much more unstable.
and she can harness the Noor and not her family because she has a mutant gene.
The word catalyst there is definitely the key to me. There has to be something that triggers a big part of population starting to evolve. I’ve been thinking maybe it’s people who were snapped because they indirectly interacted with infinity stones. Maybe mutants start to pop up all across the galaxy or maybe there’s something in the human genome that is triggered by interacting with infinity stones - like what happens with the maximoffs and Carol.
Just like the transporter in Star Trek they referenced maybe the “copy” that comes back has slightly different genes.
Do we know if Kamala was snapped? It didn’t seem like it in the show but maybe there was a reference I’m forgetting.
Kamran is just another mutant who unlocked when his mother sent Noor energy into him. I don't have any problem with any of this. Damage Control is basically being set up as the organization that hunts down unregistered supes. We're going to have at least a million people who came of age post snap. Characters like Apocalypse, Xavier and Eric would have been exposed to earlier cosmic events like Wanda and Pietro
the fk you sniffing, none of that is accurate josh alog
Fun Fact: The guy who asked if they have a body cam so he can get the footage of her saying he’s her boyfriend is a fellow reactor!
Matthew from Mageliv.
I was sooo disappointed other reactors haven't recognized that Mark is Matthew.
I had been wondering how we would see him at the school in the finale.
I wasn't expecting him to get to be The Boyfriend!!
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@@dygz His dad was also in Kobra Kai right? The school principal or something
@@LatinoRacerRX8 yup
This show was such a treat. I lost my mind when they played the X-MEN THEME when Bruno talked about Kamala possibly being a mutant!
My favorite scene was probably that final one with her dad when he called her “Ms. Marvel” because it felt so natural. The parts with the family is where I think this show really shined. The writing was phenomenal. Their focus on faith and family was so great! This show is so clever and refreshing!
A lot of people talk about how this phase has been aimless, like there doesn’t seem to be a waypoint for everything. I disagree. I saw an interview where somebody said all of this is just a reaction to what happened in Endgame. They basically have to reset everything so they could introduce new characters WHILE setting up the Multiverse and Mutants. I think they’ve done really well. I feel like Shan Chi, Eternals, and this show will somehow lead to an explanation of what is going on. I’m hoping that something is announced at Comic Con that basically makes us go “YUP, that’s it. That’s what we have been leading to.” Kevin Feige also said we would see the next big bad/overarching theme soon.
So we shall see! I’m really excited!
I just took her mutation as a key to the door. Her family is descended from the Noor, who have that power. Her mutation is a key that unlocked the door to those powers, that's all it is. The other 3 people in her family who are also directly descended from the same Noor don't have the mutation, so cant access that same power with the bangle.
From a writing perspective, the X-gene has always been a catch all, easy way to introduce a new character with powers without having to come up with lengthy/contrived reasons they have powers. Need a new hero? where'd their powers come from? x-gene bam. Doesnt matter what the gene does, it opens portals in cyclops eyes and allows jubilee to detonate matter on an atomic level, kamala's gene lets her tap into the noor.
they also said in episode 2 (i think) that the bangle just turned her powers on and the the light comes from inside her, not the bangle.
I agree, but it is still a bit messy. So her x-gene is a door, the bangle is also sort of a door to the noor. So can she access the noor without the bangle (like Kamran can) or does she need the combo of bangle + x-gene.
I guess this just needs to be explained a bit more, which sucks because the series has now ended. They really needed one more episode. For example what they could have done is show her eventually using the noor without the bangle - the bangle just activated the x-gene.
@@umairbutt1355 the bangle at it self will do nothing, it only gives her the Power because of the x gene. Kamrans lineage is something different, i guess
Exactly. That's how I taken it throughout the show. It was never explained how kamala gets to use the bangles power untill the mutant gene reveal. All the other family members couldn't use the bangles power and that's why I was confused untill that reveal. Glowing eyes and randomly accidentally using the power is not technically using the power. Kamala was using the power very controlled and easily because of the mutant gene. Djinn was a guess because Djinn is another way to use the power of the bangles.
@@illuminatimmy1312 The bangle doesn't give her the power though, as explained in the show. It unlocked something inside of her.
So bangle unlocks x-gene, x-gene gives her access to power.
@@umairbutt1355 The power of the bangle itself is related to teleportation. She not only teleported with Carol Danvers (probably because Carol handled something that is somehow entangled with the bangle) but also allowed her to travel to the past when messed with by a Clandestine weapon (Najma's) and called by her great-grandma in a moment of great peril
I feel like some people are making her mutation more complicated than it actually is. It’s not that confusing just different from what they’d expect
It’s actually funny seeing how hard they try to twist all their narratives and logic to fit into what they can make sense of and accept. I have a better understanding of how things have happened the way they have in the US.
The family aspect of the show is easily the best part of the show. Kamala's family and especially her parents are just the best, so loving and supportive of her! And the costume, THE COSTUME!!!
The show was pretty clear with an illustration and everything when Bruno told Kamala that her powers DO NOT come from the bangle they come from within her. Not sure whats so confusing?
Rick forgetting to watch the last episode was so funny lmao
Honestly, the change I like the most from this series is how deeply rooted her culture is in her origin. Like, it's there in the comics of course but her powers come from inhumans. In this, it's from a bangle that seems Pakistani, her suit comes from her ammi, and her name comes from her abbu. like, that's just...so freaking cool.
The showrunner came out and said Fiege told her to put that mutation in the show. I think it is not messy because instead of having both inhumans and mutants in the MCU now it is just mutants. Also she was supposed to be a mutant in the comics and Fiege is just having her what she supposed to be. Both are basically the same same anyway.
So what does the bangle do ?
@@MaikNL I guess it just unlocked her x-genes. Maybe in the movie she will learn that she can now actually control her powers without the bangle too. Let's hope we get a clear explanation in The Marvels
It's not the same thing. X-Men are homo superior, or the next step in human evolution that develop powers during puberty. Inhumans come from Kree experiments and develop powers after contacting with Terrigen Mist. It's not that hard to distinguish. Both deserve the right to exist in the same universe. Marvel were dumb for treating the mutants poorly in the comics, and now they're being dumb for trying to pretend that Inhumans are not a thing.
@@bloodymares you know who cares. To Fiege it is the same. He is thinking about the general public. They don't care about the difference anyway. Really the mutants are better anyway.
@@richardh776 I say Feige shouldn't be the one to decide for everybody which is better. There are a lot of fans of Inhumans. Agents of SHIELD was one of the rare media representations that did them justice.
Thank u crew blind wave for trying to get this reaction out as quickly as u could since u were on vacation totally understandable, loved the reaction keep up the great work!
The confusion at the end would have been cleared up by listening closely to what Bruno said at the end. “When I compared you to the rest of the family, something still seemed off. …something different with your genes.” (Paraphrasing)
Her Clandestine heritage gave her affinity for the Noor but it was her x-gene which activated when she put on the bangle that allowed her to access it.
Would have saved at least 45 minutes worth of speculation.
Hopefully to clear up the mutant stuff for Eric: None of Kamala's lineage or her sibling has the ability to use Noor powers. Meaning her heritage has nothing to do with the power. When Kamala puts on the bangle we are told that it unlocks (activates her X-gene) her internal powers. We also never see the Clandestines use Noor powers so that ability is unique in Kamala being a mutant.
Kamran on the other hand is a little more confusing to me. More than likely he is also a mutant but I am unaware how his power was unlocked.
Kamran's powers could have come from the Noor Rift that was open when his mother thought about him as she died.
It seems like his mom is working through Kamran still. When his powers activate in the alley and he falls to his knees, you can hear the echo of her saying his name when she forced her powers on him. There seems to be a Noor ability activated close to death, Aisha bringing Kamala through time with a phrase and Kamran’s mother saying his name to send her power to him- but it might also convey their will as well. Aisha’s will to see her daughter saved brought Kamala to do it. If Kamrans mother willed for more than just to keep him safe, either for him to open the veil or get revenge or something, then maybe his powers activated because of that and not his genealogy. He had some Noor energy, probably half, and then got hers as well.
Don't try to understand. Writers are as lost as we are. Not even they knew what they wanted. It was clearly an overnight change. They started by saying that Kamala was a Djinn. They ended up saying that she is a mutant. But what mutant is this that needs a magical artifact to be able to use its mutant powers? None of this makes sense to me.
@@brianb-t4v good shit bro. Did seem like a dying will.
@@YuGo_Wolverino they never said they were actually Djinn, just that they were called it. Then the passage Kamala’s dad reads talks about a specific group of Djinn from myth that is obviously the clandestine, and somebody says that if Thor had landed in Pakistan they’d have called him a Djinn (and we know he’s Asgardian). Djinn was just a term used by humans who didn’t understand.
As for the triggering, the X-gene can be activated by multiple types of triggers. I don’t see why what is more than likely Kree tech couldn’t be a trigger.
Cyclops' power lets him access/use the power of another dimension. (His eyes act as gateways to a dimension of concussive force)
The lady reactor who said she looked familiar is G. Willow Wilson, who wrote Ms Marvel
I usually agree with Eric but I look at the mutation thing much differently. Ever since Disney bought Fox we’ve been wondering how the x-men would be introduced into the MCU. The clean answer is through the multiverse. This reveal tells us something different is planned and there will be people with the mutant gene on earth 616.
Yes, it’s not as clean but do we really want them to take the easy way out? It’s their job to make it work and I’m intrigued to see them try to pull it off.
I don’t think this means that Kamala is a big part of the x-men one day. Bruno found out about her mutation by accident and her response indicates that she won’t be inclined to identify as a mutant just like she doesn’t identify as a clandestine. It may not factor too much into her powers for all we know, the important part of the reveal for me is that the gene exists on our world.
Exactly! Thank you
Ditto
@@lynnbas6279 Yeahm she barely interacts with other Inhumans in the comics so I don't imagine this will be too different with the X-Men.
Kamala getting her suit from her mother and her hero name from her father was two of the best MCU scenes I have seen....there's other scenes from other projects but those scenes just did something to me. Seems like in the post credit scene Kamala's bangle was sending out a signal like a beacon like the ten rings in Shang-Chi. Maybe Carol Danvers was in space on a mission and found the second bangle which resulted in them swapping places. Since the there are two bangles they have to be the Nega-Bands/Quantum-Bands....hopefully Kamala didn't teleport to a Kree-Skrull War or the Negative Zone. The bangles are definitely Kree technology. What would be funny af in THE MARVELS movie that once Kamala and Carol switched places, they switched powers too! Hearing Bruno tell Kamala she has a MUTATION and the XMEN'97 theme playing gave me chills. Kamala could have a mutation and still be Inhuman....it could've just been a tease that mutants and the X-Men are coming soon.
It works for me because Juggernaut is a mutant, but his mutation allows him to channel energy from a galactic entity.
Same as Cyclop's eye power
He isn't a mutant and this coming from the comics currently neither is scarlet witch and quicksilver
@@DibsDraws You do realized comics tend to retconned a lot of things for multiple times, right? Don't even bring up comic when you don't even understand how it works.
Truth is Kamala was suppose to be a mutant when she was created but the Fox rights to the X-men made Marvel try to increase the popularity of the Inhumans so they made her inhuman but because Marvel own the X-men again she is what she was originally going to be a mutant.
@@zeroskaterz92 Can't really call this one a retcon since she was originally was suppose to be a mutant but because Fox owned the X-men Marvel tried to replace the X-men with the Inhumans so they made her Inhuman. Now she is what she originally was going to be.
@@zeroskaterz92 but Juggernaut isn't a mutant in the comics. He's always been powered by the crystal. Even lost the crystal before, if I'm not mistaken. The guy was just helping the original dude by correcting them.
The "I feel like the show ended" is exactly how i felt going into this episode too! 🤣
It actually ended up making me more excited to see what they did with the episode though.
My understanding on the previous episode is that the mother closed the veil and sent the energy to Kamran... they didn't do a great job explaining that particular part.
Inhumans are just walmart mutants, basically.
"The Inhumans" might be introduced in the future as a group within the "Mutant" ...species?
i can't believe it's been a year already. and now she's officially a mutant in the comics with iman herself writing it!
I totally accept her being a mutant because now I'm so hyped especially after the music
The way I see this working is that Kamala has a mutant gene that didn't activate until without an outside source -- the bangle. Normally mutation occurs during puberty, but it can also be jump-start through high levels of stress or other emotions, as well as through exposure to radiation. If the bangle works as a form of cosmic radiation, it could have kicked her mutant gene into high gear. This would mean that her family may or may not also possess the mutant gene, but they're all dormant, and possibly undetectable.
So in SHIELD, the terrigen mist was separate from the protective casing of the "stone". Touching the casing turned a normal human to stone but would spare someone with Inhuman genes. Contact with the mist was what triggered the metamorphosis, but it wasn't necessarily harmful to humans.
The Inhumans in Afterlife had to replicate the terrigen crystals but their version had impurities from the stone for *some reason* (they had to break it open or something, so the particles got mixed). So it was basically both things merged into one, and the crystal itself and its copies had particles of the stone and would both kill humans and metamorphose Inhumans.
Later when the crystals went into the ocean, seemingly the particles got separated from the terrigen, and the fishies ate it, then the fishies got turned into fish oil, and it was safe for humans but triggered the change in Inhumans.
I loved this series! Kamala is one of my favorite marvel characters, and Iman Vellani plays her in such a charming way. Can’t wait to see more of Kamala in the future!
I usually enjoy Blind Wave discussions but everyone, especially Eric, seemed to forget a lot of things that were directly stated during the season. I think it’s also weird to state you can use one word in place of Djinn. They made a point to say that Thor would’ve also been considered a Djinn. They are not Djinn in the traditional sense. Also, most POC don’t want an entire show of someone dealing with discrimination. We deal with it enough in the real world.
If anything, the show could’ve had a couple more episodes or a longer run time.
I would have extended her training under the Red Daggers so that she could explore more her powers and they could explain the Clandestines (where did their weapons cone from?) and how they were able to learn about Aisha
Yeah it felt like it needed at least one more episode cause they wanted to do so much with the show.
@@nataliajimenez1870 agreed! I would’ve loved to see her training with the Red Daggers more. It seemed like she went from having little control of her powers to almost full control fairly quickly. It also would’ve added a bit more weight to the character’s (his name alludes me) death. While there we definitely could’ve got more backstory on the Clandestines.
@@unicornburger16 that my biggest complaint with most of the Disney + Marvel shows. There are so few episodes and also short run times for each episode. I really hope they start to give these shows a bit more time so the writers can explore what they’d like at a good pace.
@@childhoodshour At the same time though, the best part about this show is the characters and the culture IMO. A full episode focusing on training and the secret organisations fighting eachother would interrupt the main strengths IMO.
The woman who said "She looks so... familiar" is G. Willow Wilson (the writer who created Kamala Khan)
The Noor/Clandestine stuff is from Kamala's mother's side. The mutant thing is from her father's side. It should have been fleshed out better; they needed at least eight episodes.
we'll probably find out more in the marvels
That is the best explanation I have heard yet...
That’s most of these shows. They are great but need like 2 more episodes. This, Moonknight and Falcon and Winter Soldier needed more episodes.
I agree 8 episodes would be best. The finales in Ms Marvel and Moon Knight felt kinda rushed - despite me liking them so much
@@kumanight Considering Ms. Marvel is going to big screen it felt fine to me. You tell too much people will complain it all filler episodes.
The current X-storyline has them all on the island nation of Krakoa, I'd imagine it'll be revealed that all mutants have relocated to the island and Prof X, the most powerful telepath in the world, made everyone forget their existence.
That would be a fucking insane and awesome way to introduce Mutants to the MCU.
I have no basis for making this assertion, but I still find it highly doubtful that is the way they will go. lol
I would like to say I was one of the ones that was dead wrong on how entertaining Ms Marvel could be. I assumed bad things cause of the video game, assumed she would be corny, and that the feel of the show would be generic. I don’t think I could’ve been more happier to be wrong I swear. Iman(Kamala actress) is such a nerd when it comes to her Marvel knowledge. Because she actually loves comics, she’s my new fav actor in all of MCU. I also personally think she will be the next most successful MCU star, I truly believe she’ll be the next best thing. I hated Captain Marvel for the way did some stuff in that movie, ruined my excitement and didn’t feel like caring about her. Now, I couldn’t be more excited for the Marvels. I absolutely enjoyed this show, surprisingly, really, it’s in my top 2 personal fav MCU shows lumped in with WandaVision. That’s how much this show made me regret being a dick before hand.
I am not, HOWEVER, keeping this same energy for She Hulk, I do not have those same feelings, that shit looks so bad, shit hopefully I’m wrong about that shit too
@@Sin-Tuj My only complain about She_Hulk is the CGI. I wonder why they can't just hire a female athletic just like they did back then with Lou Ferrigno. well I hope they fix the CGI when the series got released
At least you're willing to admit when you're wrong
dang the aside from the video game not being all that great, it really put me on to kamala as a character and thought she was the best part of the game haha
@@DarkJGamer imma be honest, couldn’t get past some part of the game cause, you obviously know, but I do agree she was actually tolerable, and she was the most fun to play as. Deleted the game within a week or two.
Hey Blind Wave! I just wanted to send this to you after watching your Ms. Marvel episode 6 reaction. This is an answer Iman Vellani (actress who play Kamala) gave regarding Kamala being a mutant.
“i dont think kamran is a mutant, i could be wrong but here is how I justify the whole thing: Kamala's bangle activated her latent X- Gene which allows her to harness the energy from the noor dimension and facilitates her ability to wield and shape the noor. kamran doesn't have the x gene, his powers were forced upon him and so he cant control it like kamala can. again I could be totally wrong, i am theorizing with you guys!” Also, the showrunner revealed that they got to tell the story the wanted to tell, but Feige had them throw in her bring a mutant. The mastermind must have a plan. Also, they did confirm it was Carol and Kamala switching places.
Here’s another quote from Iman regarding being a mutant instead of inhuman:
Honestly I’m very happy we went this route. I’m a huge xmen fan and what an incredible honour to be the first official mutant in the mcu!!! It was the original intent for the comic character anyway.
Where is that from?
@@gatranlenggana8613 Reddit AMA
This is the best of the Disney+ finales imo. Not weighed down by exposition the way Loki’s was, but also not mired in being an episode length fight scene like all the other ones.
"Not weighed down by exposition by the way Loki's was"... so in other words you hate dialogue driven scenes and you just want mindless action? Did I get that right?
@@Luke-cu7bf not even remotely. But you’d know that if you read the second half of that sentence.
@@Luke-cu7bf you just rewrote their whole sentence lmao
@@ThePonderer lol the loki finale was not weighed down by exposition. Not at all. The show was just simply explaining what was going on and why everything in the MCU has been happening and Kang perfectly explained it and it was mind blowing. Ms. Marvel was a snooze fest and added nothing to the MCU at all.
@@Luke-cu7bf Nah dude. It would've been great if it was balanced, but Loki's final episode was basically exposition overdose.
Kevin feige always says be patient we have time you don’t have to have everything all at once
Indeed
Everything Everywhere All At Once > patience.
I really need to thanks Blind Wave and all there fans, I'm not to clued up on all the comics and things like that, but you all help me understand everything so much easier, glad I found the blind wave channel ❤️
Finishing the last episode and realizing y’all hadn’t uploaded the finale yet had me confused (I watched it 11 days after it came out). Good to see y’all back.
It is definitely not the same photo. Sana told Kamala that she did not have photo's of her mother, then showed a painting of her "what I could remember." The photo that she had was just Sana and her father, while Kamala brought back the picture of all three, Hasan, Aisha, and Sana.
The fact that Rick didn't see the last episode is so funny
don't blame him at all. This show wasn't good
@@Luke-cu7bf in your opinion
@@nottherealben nah it just wasn't good 👍
Eric:Says Kamala is the first Mutant in the MCU
Ralph Bohner:And I took that personally!!!!
Believe me, the whole having to follow multiple separate titles to keep up w/ a storyline, making you read unpopular titles, has been a Marvel deal for decades. I collected comics in the 80's and was finally done w/ it in the 90's because not only were there a TON of character crossovers, they also released alternate 'collectors' covers, it was all too expensive and too much.
I love how deep these guys dive into the lore, discuss what's onscreen and in the comics, and their own opinions. It makes for such a fascinating post-reaction!
ignoring the comics completely, I still don't think her power origin is too confusing.
- Her great grandmother was clandestine and could use the bangle, but not to access the noor.
- Her grandmother was born 1/2 human with no x-gene and could not use the bangle.
- Her mother is even more human and also could not.
- Kamala was born with the x-gene and equipping the bangle activated it (this was stated explicitly by Bruno in an earlier episode, but without yet knowing it was connected to a mutation).
- Her mutation is allowing her to access the noor energy from outside their dimension, which clandestines normally cannot.
Seems straightforward enough.
You’re right that your interpretation is straightforward however I think it was bad writing that it was left open to interpretation and not explained. Plus it’s annoying for someone who came from the comics or any other ms.marvel/X-men thing
I love you guys debating! So fun! (Aaron yelling Three Amigos, was my personal highlight! )
They may be altering what mutants are going forward. To distinguish the future of the MCU from the old xmen movie. It did feel out of left field but I have faith they will tie it together. Maybe I'm the mcu mutations have to be triggered. Like with Wade Wilson. That could open things up for Carol Danvers, quicksilver and scarlet witch all being mutants. That could be how they justify the fact that mutants aren't yet seen in the universe. I mean if kids like Scott summers were developing deadly powers at puberty you'd think iron man would have known about it. I'm closing the holes myself here but I'll wait to see before I judge. I enjoyed this show much more than I expected. Middle aged white dude stoked to see inclusive representation. They did this well and I'm happy to see how much this show meant to people who can relate to these characters. I'm looking forward to Kamalas story going forward.
Truth is Kamala was suppose to be a mutant when she was created but the Fox rights to the X-men made Marvel try to increase the popularity of the Inhumans so they made her inhuman but because Marvel own the X-men again she is what she was originally going to be a mutant.
I sort of hope they retcon Deadpool being a mutant for the MCU. I doubt it will be addressed, but I can hope.
Why would that open up things for Carol? She got her powers from the Tesaract. Thats why she is crazy powerfull. Unlike Wanda Carol had no powers as a child that got empored by an infinity stone
@@FloundFahrdienst or the tesseract could have just killed her like it killed everyone else who didn't have powers.
Bruno specifically said the brother doesn't have whatever mutated gene that Kamala has ... they are definitely saying she is the first acknowledged mutant in the MCU. Doesn't mean she's the first mutant we'll have met. But yes, even if it was planned the whole time, it was definitely tacked on and the music sting makes it definitive, at least to me.
Wanda is technically a mutant since in the flashback in wandavision she stopped the stark missile from exploding as a child and that’s before the experiments and first contact with the mind stone.
Although Agatha seemed to recognize that as Wanda being a witch rather than a mutant, so... we'll see where they go with that.
In the comics she's just a different thing all together more a magical bloodline deal
29:30 - Bruno did say her powers come from within, they're not from the bangle. It's possible contact with the bangle activated her powers, like a lot of mutants get their powers at specific events, like if they're in danger. Some get it as they just grow up, but not all.
So yeah she has a bunch of elements all added together:
She has a possibly Kree bangle that activated her powers.
She is related to people from another dimension (I think they're still mostly human, same as in Shang Chi)
She has the mutant gene.
When Calvin was talking about Devil’s Breath I thought of the spiderman ps4’s version and I was SO CONFUSED
15:43 this dude swinging into a hecking bathroom window like the hulk absolutely killed me
The moment we’ve all been waiting for. AKA I ran here so fast
Still waitin for Dr Strange 😂
@@AegonTargareyen-theconqurer they should be dropping it a week from this Friday on UA-cam
She had a mutation and the bangel unlocked it. Everyone else in her family wouldn't get powers from putting it on. She is even more uniquely special.
Mutants can unlock the x genes in many ways not just through puberty also kamala is the only one in her family who can use powers after wearing the bracelet even aisha couldn't do it like bruno said she's the only one in her family with a mutation but the bangle has powers of its on like traveling through space and time that's how she went back and that's how she switched places with Carol also in the comics Mutants can be alien and not only humans and cyclops powers come from a diffrent dimensions they're not lasers they're kinetic energy coming through portals from his eyes
Exactly, bruno clearly said that she is different from her family but that seems to go over people's heads. So basically, it is not the clandestine gene in her coz her mom and grandmother don't have them.
Punctuation, dear god please
@@kraazexjoker1874 no
@32:00 Earlier in the show they already said the power is coming from within her, not the bengal. It may have activated her x-gene though she is around the age when it gets activated anyway, and may be augmenting it, but it is not the source of her power. Also the creator said she wanted her to be mutant but as you guys stated, marvel was only doing inhumans. It is one of the Kree Nega Bands and it is why she was able to swap places with Capt Marvel. It is a power they had in the older comics.
Think Jean Grey and Phoenix. The Phoenix is not Jean's mutation. It was an alien power that was attracted to her mutated power and could be wielded by her (until it couldn't). The Noor power could be the same in this MCU mutant version of Khamala.
Yeah i don’t know why Eric is acting like mutants are black and white. They’re a a lot of different layers to mutants/X-Men.
@@avonbarksdale91 mutants have such a ridiculous range of power scales and sources of power. You've got your other dimension power bases like Cyclops and Nightcrawler, but then the basic people with slight body changes such as Angel and Domino, then some who are practically gods like Iceman.
I love that she shapeshifted in the show, because that is how she got the name Ms. Marvel in the comics. Her shapeshifting made her look like a younger version of carol danvers. Which is why Kamala’s suit is familiar. It’s a nod to Carol’s first Ms. Marvel uniform.
She didn’t shape shift. She changed places with captain marvel
From making kamala a mutant(which was actually the original intention) to Black Bolt’s death in Multiverse of madness I’m now convinced it’s all Kevin fegie’s giant middle finger to Ike Perlmutter and his Inhumans agenda. For those that don’t know when kamala was created she part of this larger push to make the Inhuamans “a thing” which also why they were pushed in AoS. Basically he turned them into Walmart X-men since they didn’t have the film rights and that went about as well as you expect(that inhumans show basically killed their reputation). Thankfully with the Disney-Fox merger the FF and X-men film rights are back with marvel. So technically… it’s all a course correction.
It’s also ironic that the one thing inhumans had over x-men was the game thrones interpersonal politics. Yet read any modern x-men comic(basically anything post House of X set in in this new Krakoa era right now) it has that in spades. Especially with what’s going on in the judgment day event(won’t spoil because its actually really interesting stuff).
Yup. Feige wanted nothing to do with inhumans
Sooooooo remember how you were all like, "No, you're dumb." when I said that they were going to do EXACTLY THIS in the last video's comments?! Consider yourself humbled.
I wouldn’t say they were really forced into aos. Some of the best characters in the early seasons of aos are inhumans, like Daisy, Lincoln, Andrew, Gordon
@@transientanus Did he actually? Lmfao, I gotta go back and find your comments
@@JadenCole77 I also left a comment that wasn't a reply to anything where I talk about how fox owned the concept of mutants so marvel just stopped making stories about mutants so that they could stop giving fox fodder to make shitty movies. And either Eric saw it or he and I were just on the same wavelength because he was talking about the same thing in this wrap up. Either way, it was super satisfying.
Kudos to you guys for avoiding spoilers. it seems already by the end of the day this episode came out, there were already tons of articles plastered all over the internet talking about that post-credit scene. I felt so bad for anybody who did not get to see the episode yet. In fact, either that same night or the very next day (I cannot remember exactly), I noticed a tv commercial for Ms. Marvel on Disney+ that even included that last scene with Bruno talking to Kamala about her genes. I could not believe they would already "spoil" that themselves.
Would love a AoS reaction from Rick and Calvin.
Yh and but around here Aaron said this 36:04 , idk if he’s talking about Rick and Calvin 100% but that decreases my hope for it coming one day. Which is a shame cause SHIELD is one of my top3 favourite shows
BTW.....THIS SHOW HAS THE HIGHEST CRITICS SCORE EVER FOR A MARVEL SHOW ON ROTTEN TOMATOES!
Wow I honestly didn't expect Eric to have such a hard time with this one. Bummer
Yeah, i think the vacation really ruined this for him, because it feels like they forgot the earlier episodes explaining where her power came from.
@@JoaoPedroDamaso I hope he has a little bit of time to think about it and research what the showrunners have to say about the Noor activating her X-Gene and maybe address it on the next podcast.
I just found your page in the beginning of the summer and now I check everyday for a new video. Keep up the good work fellas!
I’m so freaking happy that it was in Ms. Marvel we got the Spider-Man 1 moment of people the hero protects stand up and protect their hero. AND that we got her to both use and say EMBIGGEN!!!!!
Overall I wish we had gotten 2 or even 3 more episodes to build up this show as well as spend more time with Kamala and her friends and family. Disney+ needs to give these shows more time to breath, like Wandavision. But I’m still happy that we got as much as we got, and I can’t wait to see more Ms. Marvel in The Marvels. And even though we may never get Inhumans in the MCU on Earth-616 we just got the first mention of MUTANTS IN THE MCU!!!💥💥💥💥
It was Spider-Man 2 with Doc Oc not Spider-Man 1, unless I’m forgetting something from the first movie.
@@patricksocha6930 We see it in 'Spider-man' too, when Green Goblin attacks him at the bridge.
And to OP, totally agreed. Lots of Spider-man parallels woven throughout the show and it feels totally appropriate (even Kamala catching the car at the end felt like a direct reference to a similar scene in 'Spider-man 2'). And one or two more episodes would've let them fix one of the few outright flaws for me, where the Clandestines just totally flip from good (or at worst neutral) to bad guys within about 15 screen minutes.
@@patricksocha6930 yeah, in the first one when Goblin is about to Spider-Man on the bridge all the New Yorkers start throwing stuff at him to keep him busy. One of the single says “You mess with one of us you mess with all of us!”
@@thedarkknight2221 Right! Thank you! I totally forgot about that!
BilndWave missed it but the entire show explained that the bangles passed through family heritage but they couldn't use the bangles. It was shown in the flashback that they tryed but couldn't. The bangles power is controlled and used well by Ms.Marvel because of the mutant gene. The bangles power was used randomly by accident throughout the family using it. The bangles called to Kamala because of the mutant gene. The bangles were technically useless with out a mutant using them.
19:22 This is the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), there’s no such thing as normal!!!! Normal flew out the window when the enternals first arrived on earth and then Captain America was born.
When the Kree arrived to do experiments.
Guys, in the comics, the Celestials also experimented on mankind just like the Kree. The Celestials put the X gene in humans just like the Kree put the Inhuman gene in mankind. Also, Kevin Fiege confirmed that they have changed Kamala to a mutant. So, yes she is the first confirmed mutant in the MCU. Also, theories are that Fatsos from the Eternals made the 10 rings, & the bangles aka The Negabands amongst other items.
Eric getting caught up on the mutation thing was absolutely hilarious to me, I definitely got caught up on it too when I watched and for him to want to talk about it more when the other 3 had moved on to other topics resonated with me so much and I was crying with laughter. I also had the same reaction about the Clandestines having no patience earlier in the series so I feel fulfilled that he brought those things up too.
Something I thought y'all would bring up that wasn't mentioned is how it was said previously there are 2 'bangles' and my current running theory is that the 2nd 'bangle' was composed of the Ten Rings from Shang-Chi, also the 'Noor' dimension could be part of the Multiverse and **puts on tin foil hat** maybe it's the same place that the Ta Lo village people came from because they could also seemingly wield magic that was enabled by the rings.
As much as Eric brought up points that I myself made while watching, I still feel my answer to the poll is more-so optimistic. I haven't personally seen the X-men movies particularly but ofcourse I know of some like Xavier, Wolverine etc. I agree with Aaron I want Marvel to somewhat create their own X-men lore movie/series and I don't think what we've seen here is enough to substantiate the origin of that, so I'm excited if that is what they could do.
The mutant ability is "the embiggen" power where she stretches her limbs. The Klan-destine ability is the light/crystal stuff- which mirrors what Kamron has. And her Grandmother DID have the Klan-Destine power. As a child, she instinctively manipulated the shards from Kamala's broken crystal to find her dad. Her mom seemed to reject the whole idea of the bangle. She probably never tried to use the power....
I almost never agree with Aaron's theories. But Kamala's latent clandestine gene being her mutant gene is what I took from that scene, as well.
Not me. Aisha was a full fledged Clandestine, and could only barely use it. It took BOTH the Clandestine AND X-Gene to fully use it.
Kamron's power will turn out to be something parallel, but not identical. Note his troubles controlling it. Kamala may not have mastered the abilities immediately, but the malfunctions were little more than visions and glowy body parts. I think by the end of The Marvels we'll learn she doesn't actually need the Bangle.
Kamron may also be a Mutant, OR he'll be some kind of mutagenic change (that's slightly different) which also accesses Noor, but less efficiently/controlled. If the later, It'll kill him, or doom him eventually.
If you listen to Bruno he also mentioned that she is able to manipulate the Noor energy that her Grandmother, mother, all of her cousins for now, and brother can’t use it properly.
Jenny is the one who makes wishes come true as in the movies, the jinn are of two types, one evil type and the other are peaceful. They exist but in their real world.
Jenny is a girl's name.
@@bloodymares I don't know this is a girl's name they said Jenny, and I'm trying to explain the difference between jenny and Jinn what they really are
@@nooribrahim9887 they said Genie.
@@bloodymares whatever man she's tries to explain it in her own language!
@@nooribrahim9887 I like your name 😊
Well, the way they explained it, was she got the Noor and the power from the bangle, and that could be the aura, but her stretchyness and what not is from her x-gene.
I do kinda agree with Eric that it does seem like the mutant thing was a last minute addition. I know they're saying the bracelet awaken her X-gene, and that her powers draw from the Noor dimension. But its pretty flimsy bc it would have worked with or without the mutant part, but it also makes sense bc Kevin's made it pretty clear we're not getting Inhumans so they had to let us know by the end if she was gonna be an Inhuman or not. I'm overall okay with it but could have been written better with the villains.
Kevin himself actually added that scene himself - he told the creators to just film the scene & let him worry about the rest. So I’m assuming they’ll explain further down the line!
Source: The Direct
39:00 Tbf, mutants having powers tied to other dimensions isn't unprecedented (Cyclops and Nightcrawler) and the Phoenix Force is just a cosmic entity completely separate from mutants that just happens to target them as hosts sometimes.
I’m sad they aren’t introducing Inhumans yet but I am happy with the decision to make Kamala a mutant, the OG comic right wanted her to be a mutant but the producers made her change it
Truth is Kamala was suppose to be a mutant when she was created but the Fox rights to the X-men made Marvel try to increase the popularity of the Inhumans so they made her inhuman but because Marvel own the X-men again she is what she was originally going to be a mutant.
My issue is that they aren't consistent lol. The OG writer also wanted Kamala's powers to not be flashy. This is one of the flashiest powers ever. So not keeping the OG decision for her powers can't happen, but the OG source of her powers can 🤔. Still loved the series tho. Happy for those who wanted mutants
If anyone wants to clear anything up from this episode iman vellani(kamala) did an AMA on reddit after the episode dropped she answers all the stuff about her being a mutant.
Two theories:
Not sure how the MCU will handle the different types of mutation. According to the FoxMCU, the X-gene is handed down from the Father. So if we follow that, she’s half Djinn on her Mother’s side and was given the X-gene from her Father’s side. The gene skipped her brother.
Second theory: Kamala was given an M-gene from her Father. The M-gene is activated by radioactivity. The bracelet was the catalyst. The light from the Noor could give off some type of CMBR. You could adapt this to Wanda, Carol and Monica. Wanda and Carol whose M-gene was activated from the infinity stones (gamma radiation) and Monica’s mutation was activated by the CMBR given off by the Hex.
I like this
Scott aka Cyclops gets his power from another dimension, also Nightcrawler travels through a different dimension when he uses his ability. Kamala can control the nor from another dimension, and she can probably do it without the Bengal like Camron did, but the Bengal helps with her focus.
"Superheroes don't need chaperones!" is the best line in the series haha
Finally getting a superhero who has a healthy loving family was nice.
So funny to see Eric be the one caught up on something while Aaron is the one who wants to move on heh heh.
It was kind of nice how Aaron was trying to help him 😁
@@tonyabrookes9931 yup. So different
Her mutant powers are likely Embiggen, notice that Kamran can't Embiggen and only use the Noor. Ms. Marvel is using the Noor on top of the Embiggen, which likely the bracelet/Noor is acting like the Terrigen Mists would have and unlocked her mutant gene. She has two different powers ultimately, Embiggen and Noor, which are separated powers.
Also you have to remember that Inhumans are Mutants too, their powers are just unlocked using Terrigen Mists/Kree. Mutants is just as Ms. Marvel puts it, "another label", they aren't overly special as mutants populate Marvel insanely high.
Also, Ms. Marvel isn't the first mutant, Spider-Man is, sure he wasn't born with the mutant gene, but he is still a mutated human and a mutant, and in reality you could probably argue that Scarlet Witch is the first mutant, because she gained her mutation/powers from the Reality Stone with Quicksilver getting them from the Scepter. All of these people likely just have a mutation gene that allows for these things to trigger compared to another person getting it done to them. For instance, what if Captain America got experimented on by the scepter? Would he get Quicksilver's speed? Or did Quicksilver only get it because he happened to have a mutated gene?
The MCU aren't the comics, you gotta separate them, there are already tons of differences already.
Yeah I think this as well, mutants in the mcu will people with xgene that have the potential to get powers.
So you could say Peter is a mutant, his genes unlocked when reacting to the spiders venom, maybe any regular human would h e just died.
If they go with this it means they can have their cake and eat it too.
So they can have some mutants that have been around for a long time but maybe they are on the rarer side, then they can say mutants were discovered recently as more people's genes are being activated due to all odd energies happening on earth. People effected by Wanda like Pulsar, people effected by being snapped, people effected by celestial energy.
Just say the x gene is generally a dormant gene in humans that can be activated by outside stimuli, which grants them powers
@@maldrix5449 are you calling Monica Pulsar?! I like that. Lol She’s def a mutant. Darcy gave her the exact speech Bruno gave to Kamala about her genes changing.
@@maldrix5449 Likely going to be the case I imagine, especially with Eternals being introduced with mutations and watching humanity grow/adapt/evolve, the likelihood of Kang and Moon Knight (which could open the door to Apocalypse), the fact that Wanda exists in a Universe where Prof. X exists, which makes that Wanda a mutant and likely Magneto's daughter, and likely makes Black Bolt a mutant as well, and so on. Really most Marvel characters are some type of mutant in reality.
It also helps that Ms. Marvel was originally intended to be a mutant anyway, but it was changed to her being an Inhuman. I mean hell Inhumans are just Kree Mutants, they do have a mutant gene after all, and X-Men are more Eternals/Natural Evolution mutant gene. So its all irrelevant in the end, for all we know, the Ten Rings and Bracelet could be Kree in origin and the Djinn are an off-shoot mutation of the Kree.
At the end of the day, mutant is just a broad ass term in Marvel that it doesn't really matter how its used, X-Men or not.
I don't feel that Embiggen is a separate power. In the scene when she stands up after she "Embiggens," it looks to me like her actual limbs inside the Noor, exactly where they normally are, while the Noor creates the Embiggened shape (possibly based on what she imagines when she says the word, since I think as she gets a handle on the powers she can make them be exactly what she said in episode 2: "An idea come to life.")
@@dezzconnor8360 Which is fair, they may not even be separate powers, but even then, its pretty clear that she has a mutant gene that was activated by the bangle, but I think the idea is more that her and Kamran's powers are very different. You can argue that they just use them differently, but even then, her stretchy powers/ideas come to life is very unique to her in comparison to just straight 'hard light constructs', in reality she is a live action Armor/Hisako Ichiki with the ability to stretch her 'exoskeleton' than she is a Ms. Marvel. You could argue that her ability to envelop herself in the Noor and use it the way she does it the mutant gene affecting the Noor, ie: her mutant ability is literally to manipulate hard light into ideas, whereas Kamran can more just manipulate hard light as a by product, but can't form it into necessarily the ideas or exoskeleton than Ms. Marvel can, or maybe he can and he too has a mutant gene.
Either way, I think its pretty tame to call her mutant when she was originally meant to be one anyway and they're trying to separate her more from Mr. Fantastic after all. I doubt they'd have ever added Armor into the MCU, so its a neat idea to combine the two ideas in a lot of ways. Ms. Marvel was Mr. Fantastic combined with Ant Man originally anyway.
I wasn’t expecting this today omg, omg I’m so happy
I wonder if Aaron & Calvin know any other way to respond to Eric/Rick other than “Sure”.
It’s like every 20 seconds. 😂
Yeah that's usually most their discussions.
Hope your vacation was great, I was also on vacation so I atleast I didn’t miss much from my favourite reaction channel on UA-cam!
If they say mutation and play that theme, i dont see how thats confusing. There is litterally nothing else thst could mean. People are confusing themsrlves by not accepting what is being told.
Well said
I feel this show was a terrible place to introduce this. They need to stop making huge reveals in shows 2/3rda the mcu audience won't bother watching
@@unrealchaos528 it will also be mentioned in the movies in such a way that the people who didn't watch the show wont have confusion