Mulan - The Girl Who Didn't Have to Change to Become a Hero - Chinese History - Extra Mythology

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    Most of us might be familiar with Mulan from a particular animated film. Or maybe the live-action remake. But neither quite captures the original ballad in its entirety. For one, Mulan never disguises herself in the army. And her time in the army? Over a full decade.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 638

  • @mattisvov
    @mattisvov 3 роки тому +1427

    "You're a girl!?"
    "I never said I wasn't."
    "True that."

    • @hazzardalsohazzard2624
      @hazzardalsohazzard2624 3 роки тому +28

      It's useful visual shorthand for an audience that doesn't know that short haircuts weren't normal at the time.

    • @LICVIGO
      @LICVIGO 3 роки тому +10

      In other words: she was extremely ugly. I mean, they believed she was a man till she came back home nd put makeup on... The story teach us men since immemorial and ancient times that we should never trust a pretty face till we see her without make up...

    • @wmhld
      @wmhld 3 роки тому +19

      @@LICVIGO well there had been some good looking great warriors like Gao Changgong in china. Gao Changgong happened to be not far away from Mulan's time, with some even claimed him looked girly, and he had to wear a mask in battle because otherwise his face was impossible to intimate his enemies.

    • @darienb1127
      @darienb1127 3 роки тому +12

      Reminds me of a bit from one of the Kung Fu Panda short films.
      "We saw you fall to your death!"
      "No, you saw me fall."

    • @LICVIGO
      @LICVIGO 3 роки тому +2

      @@wmhld I would not call a man that looks girly a good looking "man" xd

  • @MeneerSoepgroente
    @MeneerSoepgroente 3 роки тому +1080

    The whole hair cutting thing was always a bit jarring. At the time that the story takes place, neither men nor women would cut their hair. So having long hair wouldn't make her stand out anyhow.

    • @neeneko
      @neeneko 3 роки тому +88

      It is a fascinating bit of localization, though even in the US it was a bit dated when they produced the movie. Ah, old farts left over from the era in the US where cutting a woman's hair was OMG TERRIBLE.

    • @dejaypage1575
      @dejaypage1575 3 роки тому +26

      Her hair was still long; it was more it was a more typical male length

    • @cheezemonkeyeater
      @cheezemonkeyeater 3 роки тому +84

      Weird thing is, unintentionally, it does. Only CRIMINALS would have their hair cut like that, so it serves as a possible explanation for why no one knows Fa Zhou has a son - he's the embarrassment nobody talks about.

    • @HaventheDemoness-vy9lx
      @HaventheDemoness-vy9lx 3 роки тому +26

      Sakura from Naruto cuts her hair too.
      I've read that this is based on an Asian belief that when a woman cuts her hair, she symbolically leaving behind the identity she once had.

    • @HoTuckLoong
      @HoTuckLoong 3 роки тому +24

      @@HaventheDemoness-vy9lx Confucian filial piety forbade men and women from cutting hair and nails because the body is considered a gift from our parents. For this reason, many millions of Chinese men chose to die by the executioner's knife instead of obeying the then new Qing regime's Queue (Manchu Hairstyle for Men) Law.

  • @kira8675309
    @kira8675309 3 роки тому +689

    Fun fact: Mulan has the highest kill count of any Disney character.

    • @zhess4096
      @zhess4096 3 роки тому +45

      Thanos killed half the universe so yeah

    • @jonnypena7651
      @jonnypena7651 3 роки тому +33

      @@zhess4096 Maybe in the princess universe.

    • @zhess4096
      @zhess4096 3 роки тому +120

      @@jonnypena7651 ARE YOU TELLING ME THANOS ISN"T A DISNEY PRINCESS?

    • @kira8675309
      @kira8675309 3 роки тому +43

      @@zhess4096 Thanos is a Marvel character. He just takes Disney's checks.

    • @NeoAnderson7777
      @NeoAnderson7777 3 роки тому +11

      @@jonnypena7651 Mulan is not a princess

  • @TheMetamorphoses2003
    @TheMetamorphoses2003 3 роки тому +755

    Already 4 minutes in, and this is already more culturally accurate than the new live-action movie. Xiran would certainly be proud of this video.

    • @Pride397
      @Pride397 3 роки тому +18

      Right?!?!

    • @raz0rblad380
      @raz0rblad380 3 роки тому +16

      Lmao she would 😂

    • @ryantsui2802
      @ryantsui2802 3 роки тому +17

      Well you would hope so, Extra Credits tries to tell a mythological story while the live-action movie was an excuse to make a female asian superhero so the corporation would look inclusive.

    • @stanisawzokiewski3308
      @stanisawzokiewski3308 3 роки тому +1

      NOPE. they made as much stuff up for dramatic effect

    • @chenoaholdstock3507
      @chenoaholdstock3507 3 роки тому +3

      I was looking for someone mentioning her

  • @brokensky2378
    @brokensky2378 3 роки тому +360

    Fun facts: originally, Mulan might have been originally nomadic in origin. Apparently she’s Xianbei in origin as a story. Makes sense, since A) nomadic warriors would be more likely to be female, B) the fact she’s a cavalry soldier, and C) Northern China at the time was a mixed society following the invasion of the barbarians over the centuries (Eight Princes, Five Barbarians).
    Also fun fact: Disney especially skipped over this, but China was very much not a single country at the time (Northern and Southern dynasties)

    • @timchiu501
      @timchiu501 3 роки тому +49

      You’re right, most Han Chinese conscript soldiers were usually foot soldiers, but according to the poem Mulan had to buy a saddle, it’s very unlikely that she’s a Han Chinese

    • @dolguth
      @dolguth 3 роки тому +44

      She isn't "ethnically" Chinese as you mentioned but Xianbei. However Xianbei society at the time the story takes place was most likely pretty sinicized after their defeat by the Han army. So not Chinese ethnically, but probably Chinese culturally.

    • @brokensky2378
      @brokensky2378 3 роки тому +18

      @@dolguth yeah, that’s true. By that time, the northern dynasties were very much mixed societies, though the heartland of the Han ethnicity had already moved southward.

    • @powerist209
      @powerist209 3 роки тому +14

      Similar to Romans after 3rd Century.
      They had Germanic generals like Bauto, Stilicho, Arbogast, and Aspar.

    • @Ethan-cz8xq
      @Ethan-cz8xq 3 роки тому +3

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the rockets in the movie also anachronistic?

  • @markushaahr9194
    @markushaahr9194 3 роки тому +530

    Mulan: I wish to join… even though you’d never except a woma…
    Recruiters: All right you’re in
    Mulan: Bruhh

    • @Ch-ew9tm
      @Ch-ew9tm 3 роки тому +75

      Mulan: “dammit. I prepared a whole speech about how everyone can achieve nearly everything if they worked hard.”

    • @ecurewitz
      @ecurewitz 3 роки тому +40

      an you swing a sword?? If you answer yes to that qestion then you're in

    • @markushaahr9194
      @markushaahr9194 3 роки тому +16

      @@ecurewitz ah yes, the canon fodder strategy. Russian commanders would be proud

    • @easternhills1329
      @easternhills1329 3 роки тому +16

      @@markushaahr9194 Well these are Chinese. The OG canon fodder strategists. :P

    • @Just_A_Dude
      @Just_A_Dude 3 роки тому +16

      @@markushaahr9194 Yep. Death doesn't discriminate, so why should the commanders?

  • @deryckchan
    @deryckchan 3 роки тому +117

    I grew up in Hong Kong and we recited the entire epic in childhood - its rhythmic punch is why the story got passed on for over a millennium. It's nice to see EC translate and animate the folklore original!

  • @justafloatingcoconut1368
    @justafloatingcoconut1368 3 роки тому +369

    and just to add some fun details from the original, when the father was about the be recruited in the beginning of the tale, they did not say "the king" or "the emperor" were levying armies, in fact, the poem said "the khan". Northern China was a mixture of nomadic peoples and central Chinese population so Disney's idea of the conflicts being "Chinese civilization" versus "nomadic barbarians" have always been frustrating to me

    • @powerist209
      @powerist209 3 роки тому +17

      Also the entire War of Eight Princes involved Nomadic mercenaries becoming the succeeding Sui and later Tang.

    • @angelhare8374
      @angelhare8374 3 роки тому +2

      Kahn, what
      Are they mongols in the original?

    • @justafloatingcoconut1368
      @justafloatingcoconut1368 3 роки тому +6

      @@angelhare8374 khan as a term is not specific to mongols there’s a whole array of nomadic peoples in northern China and over centuries there came to be a mixture of Chinese and nomadic people so some of these kingdoms adopted the title of khan. Not meaning they are completely nomadic, but also saying they aren’t completely “Chinese”

    • @scarletletter4900
      @scarletletter4900 3 роки тому +7

      So, the Ballad of Mulan crosses cultural boundaries? Thats heckin awesome! .\m/

    • @wmhld
      @wmhld 3 роки тому +2

      @@angelhare8374 "khan" is a commonly used title for eurasian nomads. from turks to mongols to manchus, they all used "khan" as the title of their rulers

  • @Dlauj96
    @Dlauj96 3 роки тому +1170

    When Extra History’s extra mythology is better than Disney’s live action mulan

    • @bm6632a
      @bm6632a 3 роки тому +53

      well also this one involved considerably less slavery

    • @Hugh.Manatee
      @Hugh.Manatee 3 роки тому +22

      That's not much of an achievement... The jungle book live action was good, but the others were all sad rip-offs of their own intellectual property...

    • @Koala1203
      @Koala1203 3 роки тому +37

      At least Extra History didn't film theirs near a concentration camp.

    • @SunYat-sen
      @SunYat-sen 3 роки тому +13

      At least this one is historically accurate

    • @natashaeliot3628
      @natashaeliot3628 3 роки тому +15

      that is a very low bar to clear

  • @BuoBuoLi
    @BuoBuoLi 3 роки тому +220

    Fun fact:
    The emperor was called "Khan"
    (可汗)in the original poem.
    That's because the country which Mulan served was originally nomads from the north before they chase the original Chinese dynasty to the south around 300 A.D .
    So even Mulan is viewed as a Chinese legend now days, people in the southern dynasty might still view her as a nomads from the north.

    • @dolguth
      @dolguth 3 роки тому +19

      @Mark Martinez Neither of those identities have been formed yet. she's xianbei but there are theories on whether they're ancestors to the mongols or not. They did inhabit the area of modern Mongolia though

    • @fuzzyhair321
      @fuzzyhair321 3 роки тому +1

      @Mark Martinez probably similar culturally but closer to Han Chinese by dress and behaviour. But a women serving in the army might be so far fetched if she did come from a nomad culture

    • @ikhbayaraltangerel9214
      @ikhbayaraltangerel9214 3 роки тому +2

      She was xianbei, the ancestor of mongols

    • @Marcusjnmc
      @Marcusjnmc 3 роки тому +2

      @@fuzzyhair321 most of the famous chinese warrior women were from northern chinese peoples of former nomadic decent serving the central authority , so there being a warrior woman in a nomadic people earlier really wouldn't be that surprising, also she came from a walled town, which implies not nomadic at the time

    • @nhienleminhhue6605
      @nhienleminhhue6605 3 роки тому +2

      @Mark Martinez She served a Turkic Dynasty in northern China called Wei, they were not Han Chinese but after time was heavily Sinosised.

  • @pointly
    @pointly 3 роки тому +64

    "The greatest gift and honor, is having you for a daughter."

  • @mihaicipriandragos5459
    @mihaicipriandragos5459 3 роки тому +224

    "House of the mouse"the perfect introduction to disney

    • @lyreparadox
      @lyreparadox 3 роки тому +11

      But "The big D" is probably more accurate.
      Just to be clear, F*&% Disney.

    • @Borderose
      @Borderose 3 роки тому +4

      The Rat's Lair.

    • @fatdoraemon2069
      @fatdoraemon2069 3 роки тому

      @@Borderose castle of the rodent

  • @jarihoogendoorn5823
    @jarihoogendoorn5823 3 роки тому +329

    Fun fact: glaciers count as rocks

  • @joshuawells835
    @joshuawells835 3 роки тому +31

    "The greatest gift and honor is having you for a daughter." - Fa Zhou, one of Disney's greatest fathers.

  • @jinhyolee8442
    @jinhyolee8442 3 роки тому +539

    The Manga: The Myth
    The Anime: The Disney Movie
    The Netflix Adaptation: The "Disney" movie

    • @craseder
      @craseder 3 роки тому +30

      The Netflix Adaptation: The live-action remake

    • @ac1455
      @ac1455 3 роки тому +7

      The Light novel: myth

    • @mikotagayuna8494
      @mikotagayuna8494 3 роки тому +10

      Mulan Rouge: The weird musical version

    • @HaventheDemoness-vy9lx
      @HaventheDemoness-vy9lx 3 роки тому +1

      Oh god...

    • @franciscorios7255
      @franciscorios7255 3 роки тому +4

      The fan creation t(hat blasted the adaptation out of the water): Extra Credits

  • @troperhghar9898
    @troperhghar9898 3 роки тому +126

    My favorite part of the mulan story is how none of them realize that mulan's older veteran father would most likely be made an officer with a desk job rather then a front line fighter

    • @LegoCookieDoggie
      @LegoCookieDoggie 3 роки тому +21

      No that would require some education in writing and it depends whether or not the father knew especially in a small farming village

    • @rorowang7872
      @rorowang7872 3 роки тому +1

      true

    • @ImranAhmad-rz5oz
      @ImranAhmad-rz5oz 3 роки тому +18

      Not really. Peasants would be drafted as a regular soldier.

    • @brokensky2378
      @brokensky2378 3 роки тому +15

      Times were desperate for the dynasty in question, so likely not.

    • @Lakhshamana
      @Lakhshamana 3 роки тому +6

      While not an officer, Mulan's dad could be a camp-bound soldier (cook, repairer, patrolman, basically an odd-jobs worker). Armed, but usually not frontline troops.

  • @summerbreeze9576
    @summerbreeze9576 3 роки тому +7

    Hi Extra Credit, Mulan actually had an older sister in the original ballad. The original text states “啊姊闻妹来,当户里红妆”。Meaning her sister celebrated and put on her best clothes when she heard Mulan was coming home

  • @darienb1127
    @darienb1127 3 роки тому +121

    Alright, I need to throw my hat into the ring about the whole "Disney ruins myths and folklore" thing. The thing about myths is that they change over time and have different meanings depending on what the time period they are in. A single myth can have HUNDREDS of different versions of the same myth throughout history. Disney's versions are just another version that just happens to be the most popular. I don't like what Disney is doing in the modern day, but the older animated Disney films are fine. Hell, for all we know, the supposed "original" versions of many myths could not even be the original version. It could just be the first version that we have record of. The older versions of the myths will always exist for the people who want them, but myths and folklore are one big game of telephone. If you don't like the movies, that's fine, i'm not saying that you aren't allowed to not like them.

    • @visibleconfusion782
      @visibleconfusion782 3 роки тому +4

      True, folklore is a fluid thing and mythology is what is fossilized.

    • @majacovic5141
      @majacovic5141 3 роки тому +18

      The problem isn't change - lots of Chinese people love animated Mulan even if it's different from the ballad. The problem is that modern Disney live action films have become dumb, soulless cash grabs, unlike most classic and reanisance Disney films, where the care was obvious, from the script to the look. People don't have a problem with adaptations, people have a problem with *bad* adaptations.
      Take care

    • @asdkotable
      @asdkotable 3 роки тому +2

      True! The version of Mulan that I grew up with included a minor detail where the Emperor gifted one of his daughters in marriage to Mulan for her exemplary service, and that's when she revealed her true identity and made the decision to go home.

    • @charlesatanasio
      @charlesatanasio Рік тому +1

      That... is not actually an argument against disney ruining myths and folklore.
      Youre trying to say "it dosent matter", which is not an argument against it.

  • @cheezemonkeyeater
    @cheezemonkeyeater 3 роки тому +45

    "You may have heard her tale in animated form . . ."
    But not in live-action form, because that movie SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED!

    • @Rime_in_Retrograde
      @Rime_in_Retrograde 3 роки тому +2

      Well to be fair, I've heard that the Chinese live action movie wasn't bad.
      But yeah, Disney's (live action) version majorly sucked.

  • @abcdef27669
    @abcdef27669 3 роки тому +209

    “Let’s get Down to bussiness”, lads!

  • @cirthador1453
    @cirthador1453 3 роки тому +126

    Better than the new movie.

  • @jeanettewu2537
    @jeanettewu2537 3 роки тому +6

    Glad to see you covering Mulan. For such an icon of Chinese folklore, we actually know very little about her. You're using The Ballad of Mulan, which is the earliest and most reliable source. The geographical features mentioned, as well as referring the Emperor as the Khan, sets the story in the Northern Dynasties. Specifically, Northern Wei, in the early 5th century AD. The character designs in the video are pretty decent for the time period, though the hat Mulan wears seems to be taken from art of later centuries.
    Given the time period, Mulan was likely not an ethnic Han Chinese. Various steppe nomads had conquered the northern half of China, setting up kingdoms here and there until the Tuoba Xianbei united them into the Norther Wei Dynasty. The Xianbei served as a military/aristocratic caste, with Han Chinese usually not allowed in the army. Mulan served with the cavalry, which was more prestigious than the infantry, which makes it more likely that she was a Xianbei. Her enemies were not the Huns, led by Shan-yu, but the Rouran Empire, a prosperous and powerful Turkic people located in what is now Mongolia.
    Mulan's name also deserves a bit of analysis. No surname was given in the ballad, leading later writers to speculate. People eventually settled on "Hua" or "flower", for its poetic meaning, as "Mulan" means "magnolia." However, since Mulan is a Xianbei, her name could have merely been a transliteration. There were actually men around the same time period named Mulan, so she was probably not named after a flower.

  • @JusticeForPottsvilleMaroons
    @JusticeForPottsvilleMaroons 3 роки тому +56

    Imagine if this was the story for the live-action Disney movie.

    • @MovieFan1912
      @MovieFan1912 2 роки тому +3

      That would have been so much better than what we got.

  • @lyric7702
    @lyric7702 3 роки тому +198

    The original story is much better than the Disney remake.

    • @ShankarSivarajan
      @ShankarSivarajan 3 роки тому +22

      Of course, but the '98 film is still better.

    • @dukcy7450
      @dukcy7450 3 роки тому +25

      @@ShankarSivarajan no, the '98 film is entertaining however its message is tangled up in the plot conveniences of every Disney "princess" movie.

    • @stanisawzokiewski3308
      @stanisawzokiewski3308 3 роки тому +1

      Extra credits made stuff up as well.

  • @recklessroges
    @recklessroges 3 роки тому +24

    "10,000 miles" often just means "very very far" in Chinese.

    • @TumblinWeeds
      @TumblinWeeds 3 роки тому +6

      Yep. 10000=very big number/infinity. When they say “the emperor will live 10000 years” they don’t actually expect 10000 years, they just mean “long live the emperor”.

    • @danshakuimo
      @danshakuimo 3 роки тому

      Wait how long is China anyways?

    • @orrorsaness5942
      @orrorsaness5942 3 роки тому

      4000 years

  • @justafloatingcoconut1368
    @justafloatingcoconut1368 3 роки тому +150

    So I grew up read and had memorized the “ode to Mulan” which was a northern Chinese folk song from medieval China. (And yes I know there are debates on how “Chinese” the northern kingdoms were during the Beichao period”) Does anyone know if there are any other primary source for this myth?

    • @timchiu501
      @timchiu501 3 роки тому +14

      There aren’t any reliable historical sources, we don’t even know which exact dynasty she’s living or whether she really existed 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @brokensky2378
      @brokensky2378 3 роки тому +20

      The original story is colloquial, so it’s a folk tale in nature. As for how Chinese the northern dynasties are, apparently the tale is from the Xianbei tribe, but in all honesty, northern China was mostly mixed by that point.
      The dynasty is probably 北魏, the northern dynasty, according to Wikipedia at least, and Mulan was originally apparently Xianbei.

    • @justafloatingcoconut1368
      @justafloatingcoconut1368 3 роки тому +7

      @@brokensky2378 yeah i remember my textbooks describing it just as "北朝民歌" or "folksong of the northern dynasties" and didn't specify which exact northern dynasty cuz i guess it was kind of a mess and it's impossible to pinpoint when a folktale came into being

    • @powerist209
      @powerist209 3 роки тому +9

      I think there was explanation that this was why no one bats an eye at Mulan being a soldier since Nomadic tradition of armed women.
      Same with animated movie where Xian Yu say “soldier from the mountain” as a nod to egalitarian gender.

  • @DieNibelungenliad
    @DieNibelungenliad 3 роки тому +53

    i really wish there were more disney movies where the protagonist doesnt have a love interest

    • @sd-ch2cq
      @sd-ch2cq 2 роки тому +4

      Or alternatively give us a protoganist in a long happy relation, instead of always focusing on the meet-cute and the beginning of the relationship

    • @goldendiamon
      @goldendiamon 13 днів тому

      Well, don't worry, there's Elsa and Merida for your wish❤

  • @YadraVoat
    @YadraVoat 3 роки тому +12

    This telling of the ballad really helps me appreciated how much the (animated) story was fleshed-out and improved by Disney - one detail does bother me though...that Disney changed her surname Hua to Fa - I noticed you didn't mention her family's name at all in this video. 🤔

  • @makaylafinn5664
    @makaylafinn5664 2 роки тому +4

    That was a much better retelling of Mulan than the Disney version. It makes me wonder why Disney bothered to add in all of the extra drama - Mulan's story is empowering enough without giving her drawbacks of romance or "secrets". She is a legitimately strong person who happened to be a woman - not the other way around. This was a great video! :)

  • @RavenKnightYT
    @RavenKnightYT 3 роки тому +36

    Uh…the meeting with the general is never mentioned in the ballad. Her relationships with her fellow soldiers and her exploits are also never mentioned. It’s also never mentioned why she wants to go home….you’re adding a lot to this story for the sake of drama….much like Disney.

    • @seanpoore2428
      @seanpoore2428 3 роки тому +9

      while also criticizing disneys (original Good animated) version for doing the same! like wtf! whoever wrote this one had a chip on their shoulder i think

    • @101Mant
      @101Mant 3 роки тому +5

      Are they just pulling from the oldest source? My understanding is there is a lot of different versions, with previous myths they haven't just used the oldest but drawn from several.

    • @RavenKnightYT
      @RavenKnightYT 3 роки тому +8

      @@101Mant they said “the original story,” so I’m assuming they mean the original ballad. I looked up three different translations and none of them mention her joining the soldiers at boot camp, the general allowing her in, her standing out in battle, or her homesickness.

  • @wzech5980
    @wzech5980 3 роки тому +14

    This video makes me think about Ming-Na Wen.

  • @maantang
    @maantang 3 роки тому +159

    Disney almost always ruins myths.

    • @safe-keeper1042
      @safe-keeper1042 3 роки тому +46

      I've come to realise that the biggest problem is that Disney's portrayals are so prevalent that we end up thinking the Disney portrayal *is* the original story, and only when we stumble upon accounts like this do we learn how much the movies have changed the narrative.

    • @drone2807
      @drone2807 3 роки тому +2

      Facts

    • @minecraftstation6422
      @minecraftstation6422 3 роки тому +4

      @@safe-keeper1042 indeed.....sad but true

    • @brandon074
      @brandon074 3 роки тому +3

      Dinsey also completely destroyed a beloved movie franchise - Star Wars.

    • @typemasters2871
      @typemasters2871 3 роки тому +8

      Unfortunately the fact of a matter is.
      Disney is a “family friendly” company, most myths aren’t considered “family friendly”, and the company needs the story to be entertaining to the general masses rather than a retelling of a cultural story.
      These “Disneyfied” stories can be entertaining and possible have a better structure than the original tale, but it is still a distorted retelling no matter good the intentions are.

  • @chanbricks4461
    @chanbricks4461 3 роки тому +2

    Absolutely spot on with the story. Even following the final line about the rabbits

  • @ihavetowait90daystochangem67
    @ihavetowait90daystochangem67 3 роки тому +6

    Mulan best tomboy

  • @kevinmeng5231
    @kevinmeng5231 3 роки тому +1

    A step by step walkthrough of the original ballad of Mulan, awesome!

  • @kuronosan
    @kuronosan 3 роки тому +1

    Just a normal villager that can ... afford armour without even consulting her family.

    • @brokensky2378
      @brokensky2378 3 роки тому +3

      So the tale is said to be originally nomadic, but also, if you still had a house and land at that time, you’re probably better off than like 60 percent of the population.

  • @Galactic_birds
    @Galactic_birds Рік тому +1

    Mulan actually got her parent's blessing before leaving.

  • @jlupus8804
    @jlupus8804 3 роки тому +8

    “But no one questioned her gender” bold of you to assume

  • @hueytaruc
    @hueytaruc 3 роки тому +4

    Loved how this narrative focused on Mulan's true intentions of joining the army: not to break the norms of how a woman born in ancient china should behave as society dictates, but simply out of love for her family 😊💚

  • @jerstix7242
    @jerstix7242 3 роки тому +20

    Day 1 of me asking for an episode of extra mythology about an Arabic myth (Also yes I do not count the Zahhak, and Zal Rubadeh as Arabic Myths because I do believe they are truly Persian myths)

  • @BuoBuoLi
    @BuoBuoLi 3 роки тому +1

    Original Poem
    (It was one of the Chinese lesson during my middle school in Taiwan:
    唧唧復唧唧,木蘭當戶織。
    不聞機杼聲,惟聞女嘆息。
    問女何所思?問女何所憶?
    女亦無所思,女亦無所憶。
    昨夜見軍帖,可汗大點兵。
    軍書十二卷,卷卷有爺名。
    阿爺無大兒,木蘭無長兄。
    願為市鞍馬,從此替爺征。
    東市買駿馬,西市買鞍韉。
    南市買轡頭,北市買長鞭。
    朝辭爺孃去,暮宿黃河邊。
    不聞爺孃喚女聲,但聞黃河流水鳴濺濺。
    旦辭黃河去,暮至黑山頭。
    不聞爺孃喚女聲,但聞燕山胡騎聲啾啾。
    萬里赴戎機,關山度若飛。
    朔氣傳金柝,寒光照鐵衣。
    將軍百戰死,壯士十年歸。
    歸來見天子,天子坐明堂。
    策勳十二轉,賞賜百千強。
    可汗問所欲,「木蘭不用尚書郎。
    願借明駝千里足,送兒還故鄉。」
    爺孃聞女來,出郭相扶將。
    阿姊聞妹來,當戶理紅妝。
    小弟聞姊來,磨刀霍霍向豬羊。
    開我東閣門,坐我西閣床。
    脫我戰時袍,著我舊時裳。
    當窗理雲鬢,對鏡貼花黃。
    出門看伙伴,伙伴皆驚惶:
    「同行十二年,不知木蘭是女郎」。
    雄兔腳撲朔,雌兔眼迷離。
    兩兔傍地走,安能辨我是雄雌?

  • @cdcdrr
    @cdcdrr 3 роки тому +5

    >"You may have heard her tale in animated form before."
    So we're just going to ignore the live-action remake? Aight, fine by me.

  • @evannationarmy7769
    @evannationarmy7769 3 роки тому +2

    6:35 I saw that!!!

  • @dionadair8195
    @dionadair8195 3 роки тому +5

    My dudes... you served with her, presumably sharing a tent, for over a decade, and you never noticed?!
    Get your eyes checked, y'all.

    • @Rime_in_Retrograde
      @Rime_in_Retrograde 3 роки тому

      Were glasses even a thing then (and there)? Because if not, there is some plausible deniability...

    • @dionadair8195
      @dionadair8195 3 роки тому

      @@Rime_in_Retrograde Fair point. Still, they have serious attention issues.

  • @TofuBug24
    @TofuBug24 3 роки тому +5

    Mulan was savage AF. Get's to ask for anything from the emperor and is just "could you call me a cab"

  • @royblekman8186
    @royblekman8186 3 роки тому +5

    But Mulan had Superpowers
    -Disney

  • @JacobL228
    @JacobL228 5 місяців тому +2

    Actually, she doesn't cut her hair because men traditionally had long hair back then, which they tied up with ribbon, cord, or ornaments, something the Disney version weirdly got right, which makes it doubly weird that they had her cut her hair in their version. Also, Chinese swords were double edged, not single edged like the ones depicted here.

  • @jacobshore5115
    @jacobshore5115 3 роки тому +5

    Who needs a reflection to show them who they are inside, when you already know who you are and what’d you’d do to help and protect the people you love? (For some reason, Mulan always reminded me of Toph Beifong as well. Not sure why… guess because they both ran away from home to fight in a war where they turned out to be badasses who kick butt no matter how small they may be. It’s too bad Toph didn’t start out with that great a relationship with her parents, but I guess it got better.)

  • @cheezemonkeyeater
    @cheezemonkeyeater 3 роки тому +1

    I have a feeling Mulan didn't take to the army life so easily as that. I mean, according to an actual Chinese person who made an extensive video on the live-action movie and all of its failings, having to work hard to get where you want to be is actually a huge thing in Chinese literature. The idea of "the special" is something kind of alien to Chinese culture, from what I gather.
    Not having read the actual ballad itself, I'm not sure what details it goes into, but I think it's safe to say that Mulan worked pretty hard at soldiering.

  • @anniedong8751
    @anniedong8751 3 роки тому +1

    Eh, she wasn't really the oldest. She had an older sister. The original ballad mentioned her sister putting on make-up to welcome her back.

  • @ShadyAnchovy
    @ShadyAnchovy 3 роки тому +1

    Someone should make tv series out of this, imagine how much episode you can makes from 12 years of military campaign

  • @LoudRevised
    @LoudRevised 3 роки тому +12

    Be yourself and conquer the day 💪

  • @kesitheguesser716
    @kesitheguesser716 3 роки тому +4

    The original Mulan was something special

  • @ElBandito
    @ElBandito 3 роки тому +51

    Ah the real Mulan, not the film atrocity.

    • @eduardogutierrez4698
      @eduardogutierrez4698 3 роки тому +13

      The animated movie is great , the live-action is the appalling one.

    • @MinibitX
      @MinibitX 3 роки тому +4

      The animated movie never billed itself as being accurate. None of the Disney movies did.

    • @eduardogutierrez4698
      @eduardogutierrez4698 3 роки тому

      @@MinibitX It's a movie, not a documentary. It's main purpose is to entertain and to get people interested in the plot. William Shakespeare's plays (Julius Caesar, Hamlet, King Lear, Macbeth.etc) aren't historically accurate either. Are you gonna critisize him for that?

    • @tomc.5704
      @tomc.5704 3 роки тому +4

      @@eduardogutierrez4698 He...was agreeing with you?

    • @barbarak2836
      @barbarak2836 3 роки тому

      @@eduardogutierrez4698 He was saying what you are. No need to yell at him.

  • @shotgunbird460
    @shotgunbird460 3 роки тому +1

    Mulan: anything for family
    *happy Dom noises*

  • @petestrong7434
    @petestrong7434 3 роки тому +1

    Dude I love this version 😭

  • @SobaYatai
    @SobaYatai 3 роки тому +3

    5:47 Neuron Activation

  • @Eramiserasmus
    @Eramiserasmus 3 роки тому +2

    Loved our non- "House of Mouse" version.

  • @crocowithaglocko5876
    @crocowithaglocko5876 3 роки тому +7

    Haven’t been this early since the Roman Empire fell

  • @samueltheslime1125
    @samueltheslime1125 3 роки тому +2

    Yes.

  • @MovieFan1912
    @MovieFan1912 2 роки тому +1

    1:58-2:00 I don’t want to sound like that kind of person, but that version of Mulan was made over 30 years after Walt’s death.

  • @stanisawankowski8243
    @stanisawankowski8243 Рік тому +1

    What is very interesting, is that Disney did not come up with the romance part.
    There is an European fairytale, very simmiliar to the legend of Mulan, in which a princess dresses up as a soldier to fight in a war in place of her sick father, the king, but the prince of the opposing army falls in love with her, ending the war. (It's a French fairytale I believe, though I can be wrong)

  • @joegiles7785
    @joegiles7785 3 роки тому

    I love these Extra Credits. This is 100000 times better than the live action Mulan film. Keep It Up!

  • @MrTombombodil
    @MrTombombodil 3 роки тому +6

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Chinese men of that period generally have long hair? So cutting your hair to pass as a man makes zero sense.

    • @rmsgrey
      @rmsgrey 3 роки тому +1

      I'm not sure what that has to do with ancient China, but good trivia...

    • @timchiu501
      @timchiu501 3 роки тому +5

      In ancient China, people don’t often cut their hair due to Confucian teachings

    • @MrTombombodil
      @MrTombombodil 3 роки тому

      @@rmsgrey brain fart on my part 😅

    • @dolguth
      @dolguth 3 роки тому +1

      why do u bring up the japanese

  • @Malcadon
    @Malcadon 3 роки тому +8

    Thank you Extra Credit! That is something people forget about the far east. Throughout China, India, Japan, Indochinese peninsula, etc., there have been woman warriors, from humble village conscripts like Hua Mulan, to women generals and folk heroines who lead whole armies. This was not an aberrant thing. World history is full of women worriers... but western scholars tend to write them out of history, or obfuscate the facts, with stuff like:
    _"Oh the remains of a wealthy Viking woman who was given her own Viking funeral with live slaves, a set of weapons and a shield resting on her? Well, she cant have been leading raids and battle as war is men's business! She must have been hold that for her Jarl... Yeah! She was a 'Shield Maiden'."_

  • @abthedragon4921
    @abthedragon4921 3 роки тому +3

    God I love Mulan

  • @MartinPurathur
    @MartinPurathur 3 роки тому +8

    Girlfriend reviews reference! Love that channel

  • @robertchirco9124
    @robertchirco9124 3 роки тому +2

    I was waiting for you to start the episode off with “let’s get down to business”😂

  • @frankwu4747
    @frankwu4747 3 роки тому

    So amazed that you’re retelling the actual poem! I’m so happy!

  • @ObliviAce
    @ObliviAce 3 роки тому +24

    What?! Mulan is not made up by disney?! Mulan is an actual myth?!! Whaaat???

    • @R0dolphus
      @R0dolphus 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah i tought that too

    • @rmsgrey
      @rmsgrey 3 роки тому +2

      Well, you can argue the distinctions between myth, legend and folk tale, but Mulan is no more a Disney invention than Snow White or Alice in Wonderland.

    • @NorninTGK
      @NorninTGK 3 роки тому +1

      It's safe to assume that all Disney Movies taking place in a historical setting are based on some old myth or folk tale, and then look it up to see if you were right.

  • @scarredchild
    @scarredchild 3 роки тому

    Curiosity Stream is excellent. My mom was born in Hamburg, Germany, but her mother moved them away when she was a child. So she got to see the history of her home in greater detail than what's typically available and is now proud of the port city she has her roots in.

  • @anyablaze7956
    @anyablaze7956 3 роки тому +1

    Wish the live action remake was this interesting. Still love the animated film and this original tale.

  • @jlupus8804
    @jlupus8804 3 роки тому +3

    “Strike one Walt”
    The guy’s dead fam

  • @oscarbelmare_22
    @oscarbelmare_22 3 роки тому +6

    I like blue berries

  • @1.4142
    @1.4142 3 роки тому +1

    So many references to "I'll Make A Man Out Of You"

  • @jlupus8804
    @jlupus8804 3 роки тому +2

    You missed the part where she had superpowers and could never be hurt by anything

    • @andrewklang809
      @andrewklang809 3 роки тому

      With all that excess "chi", I'm surprised live-action Mulan didn't Hadouken the Rourans to death.
      EDIT: My apologies, Kikouken.

  • @MaskedNozza
    @MaskedNozza 3 роки тому +3

    I actually thought Mulan might have been a historical figure. The fact that this is "Extra Mythology" and not "Extra History" would tell me otherwise.
    This was a really nice episode for the last day of June. A story pointing out that you can do whatever you want regardless of gender.

    • @danshakuimo
      @danshakuimo 3 роки тому +1

      I don't think it's impossible that she is based on a real person though.

    • @geo7803
      @geo7803 2 роки тому

      do remember the opening quote "Myths are not stories that are untrue. Rather they are tales that don't fit neatly into the historical record. which serve as the foundation to a culture."
      it is hotly contested if Mulan existed or perhaps was several people of the course of time whose collective actions created an image in the minds the people. Sometimes these tales are meant merely to teach something or sometimes they are a reflection of how people saw the world then. as time passes facts become distorted and legends raise from real or perceived deeds.

  • @frederickbayles4065
    @frederickbayles4065 3 роки тому +6

    I’ve always liked the live action Mulan: Rise of a Warrior as the best live action remake. Definitely better then Disney.

  • @diranbodossian6061
    @diranbodossian6061 3 роки тому +2

    "And so the world honoured her, by mixing teriyaki sauce with ketchup and dipping chicken nuggets in the mixture"

  • @IceLordCryo
    @IceLordCryo 3 роки тому +7

    The original would have made such a better feature length film.

  • @benfarrar741
    @benfarrar741 3 роки тому

    That story is beautiful. Simple, and beautiful.

  • @chicken5511
    @chicken5511 3 роки тому +2

    Big high

  • @JustABoringAsianGuy
    @JustABoringAsianGuy 2 роки тому +1

    万里赴戎机,关山度若飞。
    Ten thousand miles she rode in war,
    Crossing passes and mountains as if on a wing.
    朔气传金柝,寒光照铁衣。
    On the northern air comes the sentry's gong,
    Cold light shines on her coat of steel.
    将军百战死,壮士十年归。
    With a hundred battles, the general has fallen.
    With ten years of war, all warriors can finally turn home.
    My favourite part of Mulan Poem.

  • @morganelzey
    @morganelzey 3 роки тому +1

    ah im crying that was beautiful

  • @Akiba_Arts
    @Akiba_Arts 3 роки тому +3

    FINALLY THE TRUE TALE!!!!!!!!!

  • @Aryanne-wm6br
    @Aryanne-wm6br 3 роки тому

    That's the best mulan video I ever watched better than Disney

  • @krankarvolund7771
    @krankarvolund7771 3 роки тому +5

    Mulan didn't cut her hair, because at that time, warriors had long hair ^^

    • @AtlasNL
      @AtlasNL 3 роки тому +1

      Not only warriors, pretty much everyone.

  • @sonofsocrates9899
    @sonofsocrates9899 3 роки тому +5

    Wasn't there a small red dragon with her that sounded like Eddie Murphy?

  • @user-zl9mg5dc5t
    @user-zl9mg5dc5t 6 місяців тому +1

    5:12 - 5:27 "The greatest GIFT and HONOR... is to have you as A DAUGHTER

  • @hush5012
    @hush5012 3 роки тому

    i love the and i quote "strike one walt"

  • @user-zl9mg5dc5t
    @user-zl9mg5dc5t 6 місяців тому +1

    Ling, Yao, and Chein-Po would've went HUBBA-HUBBA on Mulan if Shang wasn't in the Disney movie adaptation

  • @dagdamor1
    @dagdamor1 3 роки тому +18

    Wow you didn’t have to thank the concentration camp organization, thank you Extra Credits, very cool.

  • @gamergabriel6832
    @gamergabriel6832 3 роки тому +3

    good timing with 2 minutes ago rob

  • @MattioBinotto
    @MattioBinotto 3 роки тому +2

    Wow cool video

  • @Eliezer3838
    @Eliezer3838 3 роки тому +1

    Man this story be better than that Mouse One they made

  • @ICountFrom0
    @ICountFrom0 3 роки тому +1

    Is it strange that it fits better with Monstrous Regiment than it does the Disney story?

  • @chunmingchan8312
    @chunmingchan8312 3 роки тому +2

    How about have a series talking about the tales “Generals of the Yang Family” ?

    • @danshakuimo
      @danshakuimo 3 роки тому

      I want to hear about that, as someone who shares the last name that probably came from those guys.

  • @men_del12
    @men_del12 2 роки тому +1

    Disney Mulan: So you're the better version of me?
    Original Mulan: I wouldn't say you're a cheap replica though.
    Disney Mulan: Niceeeeeee. So, wanna kick some ass sometime?
    Original Mulan: Nah, I'm good. Unless you mean beating up naughty boys.
    Disney Mulan: Cooool. I gotta tell Mushu that we will have tea party now.
    Original Mulan: Oh, my little brother will bring some dumplings to eat then.

  • @silkychan6099
    @silkychan6099 3 роки тому +2

    At least we got a great training montage song from the animated movie

  • @michaelconnell1010
    @michaelconnell1010 3 роки тому +1

    If Mulan ever shows up in Fate/GO I hope they use this as the basis for her history. Though given her class will probably be Saber, I wonder if she’ll be another Saber-face 😆