For those wondering, Yes, the Pinkertons still exist today and are still in the business of "risk management" and private security. They're owned by a Swedish company, but still operate under the Pinkertons name.
Odd. I come from Scotland and when I was at secondary school, we were taught about famous Scots that did good things around the world. Philanthropists like Carnegie and Pinkerton came up and the Pinkertons darker history never got brought up once.
The common thread running through pinkerton ideology is 'wageism' i.e. you work and get a fixed wage, not try to cheat the company or organize workers, nor use humans as property or have theft and counterfeiting considered as normal. It's still amazing that one agency essentially laid the foundations for the Secret Service, FBI and Army Counter Intel. However, it reeks with contradiction and elitism.
Seems obvious that Pinkerton was not so much a believer in rights or laws as much as an opportunist who hoped to better his own situation through any means available; especially, violence.
Allan Pinkerton died in 1884, well before the strike that the video references. The anti unionism happened after he died. He also had a female unit and the first woman he hired was Kate Warne who had a very active role in the success of the agency. there is a lot that this video leaves out. I would say he is more saint than sinner - but who among us is not both
I’m from Fayette county less than an hour from Pittsburgh and homestead and the Pinkertons are remembered very poorly and a while ago someone in homestead wanted to put up a monument to the homestead strike and someone wanted to include Pinkerton names as part of the monument. they had to move after there name got out and want they wanted. Most anyone good people in the Rust Belt know pinkertons and know that thinking anything kind of them will end badly I know a few people who grandparents or great grandparents can tell you about them they were made by someone who lost what it meant to be a working man he got to high and forgot where he came from. It sad really.
And they still do anti union activities. They got caught (by unionnists with cameras) in my country last month and the company admitted that they did hire them
@@AA-bn7tf You're asking how to take on a job where you control people's associations; you're literally not a libertarian, trying to restrict workers' liberty. It's like a pacifist asking how to become a soldier lmao, they could keep calling themself a pacifist, but nobody's going to have any respect for them.
@@Fly-the-Light They’re still around and are mostly just mercenaries, recently they raided a guy’s house because he bought a pack of unreleased magic the gathering cards that had been shipped to the store he bought them from.
Also people irl like abolitionists and protestors for worker rights, anarchists, modernists, anti-imperialists, people who wanted more democracy in america, etc. There's a lot.
Remember when the Pinkerton did a raid on a collector of magic gathering cards last week because he got a card that was not a sale yet. Good to see American institutions doing so well.
@@Wifgargfhaurh It was still very embarrassing and a massive risk assessment failure on Pinkerton's part: They should have just politely asked to have it returned first.
Not actually that uncommon on the shifting American frontier. Turns out, the ability to use a gun and the judgement of when to take or not take a fight has some overlap between lawmen and outlaws.
@@samurguy9906 - The same is true for the digital frontier. IMHO, the government shot itself in the foot early on coming down so heavily on hackers who were in it for the knowledge, fun, or glory.
@@hansisbrucker813 : Not like they used to. They provide security guards and whatever ‘risk analysis’ means in this context. They were bought by a Swedish company in 2003, but they still operate under the name ‘Pinkerton's’.
With all the stuff about the Pinkertons and their anti-union activities and pretty much protecting the status quo, I was honestly surprised their founder was staunchly against slavery and played an active role in helping people get free from slavery
The status-quo they were building required slavery to be abolished. It was competition, plain and simple. I think it's called moral convenience. The same thing is happening with fossil fuels.
Why didn't you mention his death? He slipped and fell in the dirt biting his tongue in the process and in a few days died from the blood infection. I find this ironic how a man who had so many close encounters with danger could have died in such silly circumstances
On of the GWR's most significant chief engineers died from being run over by his own creation, specifically a locomotive pulling the Fishguard express. (he'd been inspecting a track section and didn't hear the train in time)
I haven't read pedagogy of the oppressed. But I suspect that The Ego and his Own would also be a useful way to view Mr. Pinkerton's life. He accepted that the only 2 possible ways of being are dominance and submission. So he choose to resist domination Except for when he got to do it himself.
I have a similar pet peeve from having lived in Nevada. People pronounce it NeVAHdah, when everyone who lives there pronounces it NeVAduh (short A sound, like apple). So I feel your pain.
Pinkertons' intelligence in the Civil War, while technically accurate, did often end up misleading McClellan. Pinkerton usually reported the number of units opposing McClellan, and McClellan used that information to estimate the size of the Confederate Army. Unbeknownst to either man, the Confederate units were often much smaller on the individual level, leading to Union confusion.
You forgot the greatest Pinkerton story of all: When heroic agents hunted down the infamous Tacitus Kilgore and his far scarier brother: *R I P V A N W I N K L E*
If I were a patreon of EC, I will prupose one series about Emma Goldman. Se had a very interesting life and still being an inspiration for modern anarchist.
Anyone else here to show this educational video to kids/teens because Hasbro just sent the Pinkertons to terrorize a UA-camr who legally purchased the Magic the Gathering cards that Hasbro accidentally shipped out 2 weeks early. Yup. That's where we are in America 2023.
The only "terror" involved was if there was recognition of the Pinkerton name. If a couple guys knock on your door saying they are private detectives there to retrieve property. there isn't much there that is "terrifying".
I'm a Pittsburgher, and we learned about the Homestead Strikes in school: Frick, Carnegie, and the Pinkerton Agency. Nothing about the man himself though. This was fascinating. Thanks!
It’s weird how different I laced in the same country get different educations. I had three us history classes that never spoke a word about the Pinkertons. All the way from the revolution to WW1.
@@Sleight-lq8qd Did they cover Carnegie and similar monopolists of the period, though? The Pinkertons were the hand, not the brain, so it's less important to know about them than about the overall themes of the period. Yes, it's interesting, but it's a piece in a large puzzle that I could see a teacher leaving off for sake of time.
roguishpaladin “covered” is a generous term “touched on” more like. We talked about Carnegie and it was in a favorable light. Outlining his rags-to-riches thing, and John D. Rockafeller. Who we definitely did cover. We had a whole unit on trusts and monopoly’s and he was the name that kept cropping up. Also it is worth noting that for a class covering everything from the end of the civil war to the beginning of WW1 we spent 4 of 14 weeks on Custer getting his ass handed to him at Little Bighorn
A rags to riches story with a protagonist who also happened to help McClellan, save Lincoln, and basically interacted with almost every prominent figure of the 1860's? I smell a self-insert, they're getting lazy with story arcs these days.
@@thundergozon6439 so he had a change of heart regarding anarchism and socialism, and he tested railroad workers to make sure they didn't take bribes? Someone doesn't have to believe in one set of ideas their whole life, and making sure workers aren't corrupt seems to be good in general, just making sure trustworthy people are working on the trains.
Pinkerton's also killed strikers in the Bread and Roses strike in Lawrence, Massachusetts. Tossed a grenade into a crowd of striking teenage mill girls at one point if I recall correctly...
Ok, this mans life is full of ironic situations. He has a criminal record in Scotland, but becomes a sheriffs deputy. Founder of the Pinkerton detective agency, but is instead used to break up union strikes, not what he exactly wanted.
Pinkerton didn't do anything with unions. the guest author was extremely deceptive in how they portrayed the order of events with an almost lawyer like approach with a disclaimer. All the anti-union stuff happened after Pinkerton's death and the private security company being passed to his children. Pinkerton himself didn't sell out his values.
It should also have been stated that The Pinkerton Detective Agency is still around today and also responsible for some of the most horrific Anti-Labor violence in American history
It's always fascinating to hear an aspect of such a widely discussed historical organization that I've never seen discussed before, thanks for all the work you guys do
@@mauktheogre4477 Not really. You have to pay to be a patreon and part of the way they encourage people to support them on P. is by only offering votes to patrons. There's really no chance unless someone decides it would make a good video.
How big was the view spike for this video in the weeks after Wizards of the Coast sent the Pinkertons to that guy's house to retrieve those Pre-Pre-Pre- prerelease magic cards?
Shoutout to everyone back here after the Pinkertons were hired to steal back Magic: The gathering cards from a UA-camr who accidentally got merch before it was supposed to be released
The journey through the Red Dead Redemption games introduced me to the Pinkertons and their role in history as I had never heard anything of them in real life. It's sad to see how a humble and well intended ideal can become something that went against it's own values. Really makes you rethink a lot about those games and who you were facing.
And noooooow they have allegedly raided some youtuber who seems like his only offense was to be being sent the wrong cards and inadvertently leaking them. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out and expands their history
IIRC, they didn't actually raid his home. They knocked on his door and demanded the return of the cards. Still somewhat bullying in appearance, but there was no raid involved.
I just very recently found out Allen Pinkerton is my great great great grandfather... Oh man. I am adopted so it's certainly been a whirlwind of information. Thanks for sharing.
@@TheSaxyCarrotwhy? He’s a descendant of an abolitionist, an Underground Railroad worker, a defender of immigrants and a man who saved Abraham Lincoln. That is worthy of being proud of while also denouncing the organization that he created and emerged after him
Note: the Pinkertons, albeit diminished, still exist today, still attempting to bust organized labor for the highest bidder, and other disgusting companies like them rose up in order to break the common man, and they’re still quite prominent, if much more subtle and silent.
I'm still hoping you make an episode about Georgiy Khrustalyov-Nosar. The father of Russian socialism and one of the leading figures of the 1905 Russian Revolution, who was later driven from the RSDLP and killed on the orders of one of his own proteges, Leon Trotsky. He really deserves to be more well-known.
And then Trotsky was later driven out of his homeland by Stalin. I'd still say his ideas were better than Stalin's, but clearly he wasn't all that much better. Can't we have just one historical figure that's just half-way decent with no contradictory actions? Please?
Where I can find information on his deeds and biography? there's even no wiki page for him. And that is weird, if he truly was such an important figure in Russian revolution.
@@sandrosixarulidze398 Sadly, there isn't a lot of readily-available information on him. Probably in large part thanks to Trotsky. There are a few mentions of him on the Wikipedia pages for the 1905 Russian Revolution and Leon Trotsky: "A strike by railway workers on 21 October [O.S. 8 October] 1905 quickly developed into a general strike in Saint Petersburg and Moscow. This prompted the setting up of the short-lived Saint Petersburg Soviet of Workers' Delegates, an admixture of Bolsheviks and Mensheviks headed by Khrustalev-Nossar." "By the time of Trotsky's arrival, the Saint Petersburg Soviet was already functioning headed by Khrustalyev-Nosar (Georgy Nosar, alias Pyotr Khrustalyov). Khrustalyev-Nosar had been a compromise figure when elected as the head of the Saint Petersburg Soviet. Khrustalev-Nosar was a lawyer that stood above the political factions contained in the Soviet. However, since his election, he proved to be very popular with the workers in spite of the Bolsheviks' original opposition to him. Khrustalev-Nosar became famous in his position as spokesman for the Saint Petersburg Soviet. Indeed, to the outside world, Khrustalev-Nosar was the embodiment of the Saint Petersburg Soviet. Trotsky joined the Soviet under the name "Yanovsky" (after the village he was born in, Yanovka) and was elected vice-chairman. He did much of the actual work at the Soviet and, after Khrustalev-Nosar's arrest on 26 November 1905, was elected its chairman." The citations provided for those sections are: Voline (2004). Unknown Revolution, Chapter 2: The Birth of the "Soviets" Isaac Deutscher, The Prophet Armed: Trotsky, 1879-1921, p. 131 Leon Trotsky, 1905, pg. 218 Additionally, there is a Russian Wikipedia page for him, if you can either read Russian or deal with the extremely broken Google translation of the page. Unfortunately, I can't link you directly to it because of the Russian characters in the url, but it's the second link in the "Usage on ru.wikipedia.org" section on this page: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgiy_Nosar.jpg#filelinks Hope that helps you get started!
Do you know how many people branded as "colleagues" or "Comrades" hated each other's guts? look at all the "Communist" powers: the USSR and the PRC hated each other (they fought more than one border skirmish), and most of the South American and Southeast Asian "communists" simply used the USSR and China as resource mills. Ideology is distressingly fluid in the face of practicality. The US happily looked the other way at the Fascist regimes they put in power so long as they were ardently anti-communist. Hitler readily armed Muslims, Slavs, Poles and Ukrainians if they were willing to fight the allies for him. The Communist regime in Afghanistan was as farcically inept for the USSR as South Vietnam's government was for the USA.
How was he hypocritical? His organization later betrayed his values, but the testing of workers isn't unethical, taking bribes is a crime and the testing of workers was a nessecary evil. While he may have opposed anarchists and socialists, he was overall a good man.
Well I think when making the video they forgot that he didn't strike because of work conditions or whatever but because he wanted to vote. Since people in the US could vote, he might have seen them as beeing too needy and whatnot. Now if this is true IDK but that's what I got from the video, if he was a socialist before, might have been good to mention that in the vid....
To be fair, we're from a region of pants on head on fire pronunciations. Like 'Jolly-ette'.... But I won't say I'm not disappointed, they usually do a lot better.
They've been in the news recently. Wizards of the coast sent some to a streamer's house after mistakingly sending him the wrong Magic card to tease. Zero chill
Thank you for this informative presentation. I wish that public school history classes were as factual. One of the security guard companies I worked for was Pinkerton (and Pinkerton provided the guard force for Disneyland during the Fifties). Part of orientation was being taught Pinkerton history, but they left out the part about Allen Pinkerton's criminal activities. One part that really hit the target was that local "law enforcement" during the 19th Century had severe issues with corruption. Two other issues raised in this presentation were limited jurisdiction and general incompetence. Law enforcement didn't have to be competent at the time. One reason for the 1893 Anti-Pinkerton Act was that the Pinkertons were investigating corrupt law enforcement organizations run by Democratic Party political machines--and this was stopping the South from rising again. Now we have multiple alphabet organizations doing the same jobs that the Pinkertons did for the federal government.
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For those wondering, Yes, the Pinkertons still exist today and are still in the business of "risk management" and private security.
They're owned by a Swedish company, but still operate under the Pinkertons name.
rdr2 wiki says that the company that bought them is securitas AB
Weird how this is relevant again.
And aparently stealing Magic cards....
Magic the gathering does a thing
UA-cam recommendations: I'm about to ruin this guy's entire legacy.
What I learned today:
No matter who you are.
No matter where you come from.
No matter your beliefs.
Capital corrupts all
Odd. I come from Scotland and when I was at secondary school, we were taught about famous Scots that did good things around the world. Philanthropists like Carnegie and Pinkerton came up and the Pinkertons darker history never got brought up once.
Did Carnegie darker Moments come up?
About to get my level IV license and apply, start at $50 an hour, cant say no to that lol
The common thread running through pinkerton ideology is 'wageism' i.e. you work and get a fixed wage, not try to cheat the company or organize workers, nor use humans as property or have theft and counterfeiting considered as normal. It's still amazing that one agency essentially laid the foundations for the Secret Service, FBI and Army Counter Intel. However, it reeks with contradiction and elitism.
Damn that is a weirdly familiar na- *RDR flashbacks*
"Enjoy your fishing kid,while you still can."
-Edgar Ross to Jack Marston,1899
Seems obvious that Pinkerton was not so much a believer in rights or laws as much as an opportunist who hoped to better his own situation through any means available; especially, violence.
Today they would be “The Pinkerton Private Military Company”
Allan Pinkerton died in 1884, well before the strike that the video references. The anti unionism happened after he died. He also had a female unit and the first woman he hired was Kate Warne who had a very active role in the success of the agency.
there is a lot that this video leaves out. I would say he is more saint than sinner - but who among us is not both
I’m from Fayette county less than an hour from Pittsburgh and homestead and the Pinkertons are remembered very poorly and a while ago someone in homestead wanted to put up a monument to the homestead strike and someone wanted to include Pinkerton names as part of the monument. they had to move after there name got out and want they wanted. Most anyone good people in the Rust Belt know pinkertons and know that thinking anything kind of them will end badly I know a few people who grandparents or great grandparents can tell you about them they were made by someone who lost what it meant to be a working man he got to high and forgot where he came from. It sad really.
Look up the Baldwin-Felts Detective Agency and the battle of blair mountain
Pinkerton still exists. I worked for them a few years ago, they do government security etc now
The Pinkerton agency still operates to this day.
And they still do anti union activities. They got caught (by unionnists with cameras) in my country last month and the company admitted that they did hire them
Where can I join?
A A why the hell would you want to join
Slop Flop. Contracting sounds nice. They are protecting businesses. I’m a capitalist/libertarian.
@@AA-bn7tf You're asking how to take on a job where you control people's associations; you're literally not a libertarian, trying to restrict workers' liberty. It's like a pacifist asking how to become a soldier lmao, they could keep calling themself a pacifist, but nobody's going to have any respect for them.
Laughed out loud at the Garfield reference. 🤣
Love the blazing saddles reference!
I never would've guessed that the pinkertons would be returning later in the series, props to the writers of Earth for this crazy plot twist
Wotc?
@@Fly-the-Light They’re still around and are mostly just mercenaries, recently they raided a guy’s house because he bought a pack of unreleased magic the gathering cards that had been shipped to the store he bought them from.
What's Doom Metal got to do with this?
@@Shyblook1234 ngl kinda fair
@mewmew8932 not fair at all. He couldn't have known, they easily could've sent a diplomatic representative rather than literal mercenaries.
“God dammed Pinkertons” -Everybody in Red Dead Redemption 2
Also people irl like abolitionists and protestors for worker rights, anarchists, modernists, anti-imperialists, people who wanted more democracy in america, etc. There's a lot.
Literally everyone who wanted to live in a better world hated the Pinkertons. They were just paid thugs for the rich and powerful.
I’m biased but if you weren’t a pinkerton or a moderate to large business owner you would be better off if they all died
Dont Worry guys, Dutch got a plan
@@Abdirahman_Mohamed We just need money!
Remember when the Pinkerton did a raid on a collector of magic gathering cards last week because he got a card that was not a sale yet.
Good to see American institutions doing so well.
Just watched the historians video on it. I didn’t even know it happened 😮
Didn't even know they were still around until that
@@Empressofnight They mainly do security consultancy work but yeah... Nice to see they remain in touch with their roots.
It wasn't a "raid", look into it.
@@Wifgargfhaurh It was still very embarrassing and a massive risk assessment failure on Pinkerton's part: They should have just politely asked to have it returned first.
I am amazed by how many people seem to think that the Pinkertons were made up for RDR2
I knew Pinkertons existed before RDR2 but i found how evil they were by googling them after playing RDR2
Iam not from America so i wouldn't know
I honestly didn’t know
So what dude I learned about them in RDR2 so fucking what
@@King-xe3kt
"Calm down"
"You enjoy being a rich man's toy, do you?"
"I enjoy society, flaws and all. You people venerate savagery and you will DIE... savagely! All of you!" ~ Some Annoying Bald Man, 1899
@The plan man partially, yes.
Republicans certainly do 👞💋
@@loonyspoons5676 not sides kiss boots we just picked a different pair of boots to kiss
@@OrionsTale “Oh, we’re all gonna die, agent.”
OK I know one of these Pinkerton men: Where is Booker DeWitt?
Zhaohui Deng What about Milton?
Gotteem
@@alexanderthegreat445 What about Edgar Ross?
EMS Ross as well
So hyped for the new Bioshock
Pinkerton being like Arthur Morgan being deputized while being wanted
Not actually that uncommon on the shifting American frontier. Turns out, the ability to use a gun and the judgement of when to take or not take a fight has some overlap between lawmen and outlaws.
@@samurguy9906 - The same is true for the digital frontier. IMHO, the government shot itself in the foot early on coming down so heavily on hackers who were in it for the knowledge, fun, or glory.
Law men and criminals are the same
Yes, only one of them fights for themselves
And the other occasionally fights for themselves
@ChipsBuzz or outlaws were as good as lawmen
Pinkertons in the 19th - 20th centuary: "The Knights of Capitalism"
Pinkertons 2019: Suing a game company...
Good to see not much has changed in 150 years, huh?
Yha well due you for proteaing us accurately in red dead redemption 2
They still exist? 😳
@@hansisbrucker813 : Not like they used to. They provide security guards and whatever ‘risk analysis’ means in this context. They were bought by a Swedish company in 2003, but they still operate under the name ‘Pinkerton's’.
There still protecting money though
With all the stuff about the Pinkertons and their anti-union activities and pretty much protecting the status quo, I was honestly surprised their founder was staunchly against slavery and played an active role in helping people get free from slavery
Goals change sometimes not for the better
Sometimes bad people can have good ideas and good people bad ones
@@carso1500 so dumb. people are complicated, there is no bad or good people :|
The status-quo they were building required slavery to be abolished. It was competition, plain and simple. I think it's called moral convenience. The same thing is happening with fossil fuels.
One Thing is one thing and other thing is other thing, nobody is whole evil or whole good. Even criminals have positive things to say about them
Why didn't you mention his death? He slipped and fell in the dirt biting his tongue in the process and in a few days died from the blood infection.
I find this ironic how a man who had so many close encounters with danger could have died in such silly circumstances
Reminds me of Marie Curie'a husband. He also worked with radiation but died when he tripped and was hit by a coach.
On of the GWR's most significant chief engineers died from being run over by his own creation, specifically a locomotive pulling the Fishguard express.
(he'd been inspecting a track section and didn't hear the train in time)
Karma eventually got that bitch.
@@monsieurouxx He was a hero.
Here Lies
Alan Pinkerton
He Bit His Tongue And Fell In Dirt.
“DAMN PINKERTONS!” -Arthur Morgan, sometime in 1899.
*all the time in 1899
“Hey umm you heard anything about Pinkerton round these parts?”- Arthur every time he enters a new town
@@Deivid-bn6yw when u have a bounty in the area thatll happen
Damn you Leviticus Cornwall!!
If only Dutch didn’t rob that damn train!
Damn you Walpole
I read this like Timmy's dad going "damn you dinkleburg"
"Who tha hell is Leviticus Cornwall?"
@@thomashambly3718 *Shaking fist angrily in no particular direction*
"When education is not liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor." - Paulo Freire
Makes me think of a specific french 'pacifist' revolutionary that murdered thousands.
@snailwithinternetaccess chop chop chop chop
You would think people understood the unity of means and ends. Then again he was pretty violent from the start so maybe he didn't.
Pedagogy of the oppressed is one of my favorite books
I haven't read pedagogy of the oppressed. But I suspect that The Ego and his Own would also be a useful way to view Mr. Pinkerton's life. He accepted that the only 2 possible ways of being are dominance and submission. So he choose to resist domination Except for when he got to do it himself.
Genuinely did not realize these guys were still around until the MTG incident
This is extra history’s new series, extra police
Mac McJof that’s better
@Frank the Bunny extra criminology!
come on, they're academics, we've got to give them some credit
evil leafy Production studios extra labor
Alejandro Kaplan 🤣
evil leafy Production studios it would be cool
I remember when calling someone a Pinkerton was a grave insult.
It still should be. Let's bring it back!
it should be, honestly
Goes to show how much incessant socialists subverted morals. They were true heroes.
@@d4n4nable yeah they were heroes for wealthy industrialist pigs I guess.
@@adamplentl5588 LOL. Thanks to those "industrialit pigs" you have a (too) comfortable life today. Be grateful do them, you worm.
As someone from Illinois, please remember that the S is silent
Illi noice
It was so subtle the first time I thought I imagined it
A omeone from Illinoi, pleae remember that the S i ilent. Better?
Not even in French do we pronounce the "s". Your Illinoy is for us "Illy-nwa"
I have a similar pet peeve from having lived in Nevada. People pronounce it NeVAHdah, when everyone who lives there pronounces it NeVAduh (short A sound, like apple). So I feel your pain.
Pinkertons' intelligence in the Civil War, while technically accurate, did often end up misleading McClellan. Pinkerton usually reported the number of units opposing McClellan, and McClellan used that information to estimate the size of the Confederate Army. Unbeknownst to either man, the Confederate units were often much smaller on the individual level, leading to Union confusion.
You forgot the greatest Pinkerton story of all:
When heroic agents hunted down the infamous Tacitus Kilgore and his far scarier brother:
*R I P V A N W I N K L E*
Squidy The 3rd you all know what he’s talking about
lol
And arthur calahan
I think Jim Milton was far scarier
@Arthur Marston And also Archibald Smith
The Pinkertons are still around today to my surprise
yeah apparently they tried to sue Rockstar for their portrayal in Red Dead Redemption 2
and disgust
They have linked together with Securitas security
I almost went to work for them once guarding a power plant in Illinois.
They still do anti union activities.
I was expecting Emma goldman to come up here, given her attempts to assassinate the steel company owners, you should do a video or a series on goldman
Hell yeah
Yes please!
If I were a patreon of EC, I will prupose one series about Emma Goldman. Se had a very interesting life and still being an inspiration for modern anarchist.
Never hear... sounds interesting!
I was expecting Rip Van Winkle to show up
Odd that this pops up in my feed after the Wizards magic story breaks. Didn’t know Pinkertons were still a thing after their history in the 1800s
Right?
Tbh there wasn't a better time for this to pop up.
I only knew about them (before the MTG thing) thanks to reading Sherlock Holmes.
Anyone else here to show this educational video to kids/teens because Hasbro just sent the Pinkertons to terrorize a UA-camr who legally purchased the Magic the Gathering cards that Hasbro accidentally shipped out 2 weeks early.
Yup. That's where we are in America 2023.
That’s normal. They’ve always done that lmao. Your just waking up now. I’ve been talking about this since the 1990s
The only "terror" involved was if there was recognition of the Pinkerton name. If a couple guys knock on your door saying they are private detectives there to retrieve property. there isn't much there that is "terrifying".
@@qawamity they didn’t knock on his door they broke it down and ransacked his house
@@qawamity and threatened his wife and kids
@@purromemes7395 That's not what he said, last I heard. Has he changed his story?
Oh, don't mind me. Just a Magic: The Gathering fan rewatching this episode in late April, 2023 for NOOOOOOO REASON whatsoever...
I'm a Pittsburgher, and we learned about the Homestead Strikes in school: Frick, Carnegie, and the Pinkerton Agency. Nothing about the man himself though. This was fascinating. Thanks!
Nathan Yakich Carnegie can go frick himself.
It’s weird how different I laced in the same country get different educations. I had three us history classes that never spoke a word about the Pinkertons. All the way from the revolution to WW1.
@@zane9464 The Pinkertons can go frick themselves too
@@Sleight-lq8qd Did they cover Carnegie and similar monopolists of the period, though? The Pinkertons were the hand, not the brain, so it's less important to know about them than about the overall themes of the period. Yes, it's interesting, but it's a piece in a large puzzle that I could see a teacher leaving off for sake of time.
roguishpaladin “covered” is a generous term “touched on” more like. We talked about Carnegie and it was in a favorable light. Outlining his rags-to-riches thing, and John D. Rockafeller. Who we definitely did cover. We had a whole unit on trusts and monopoly’s and he was the name that kept cropping up. Also it is worth noting that for a class covering everything from the end of the civil war to the beginning of WW1 we spent 4 of 14 weeks on Custer getting his ass handed to him at Little Bighorn
A rags to riches story with a protagonist who also happened to help McClellan, save Lincoln, and basically interacted with almost every prominent figure of the 1860's? I smell a self-insert, they're getting lazy with story arcs these days.
Samuel You are right, this story is exactly like you described and full of cliches
Who would write a self-insert as betraying his own former brothers and morals for cash?
@@thundergozon6439 HE DIDN'T. His sons were the ones who ran the anti union activities. Pinkerton died in 1884 if I'm correct.
@@henryhaile1653 I'll politely refer you to 7:20
Just the next half minute should be enough of a reply.
@@thundergozon6439 so he had a change of heart regarding anarchism and socialism, and he tested railroad workers to make sure they didn't take bribes? Someone doesn't have to believe in one set of ideas their whole life, and making sure workers aren't corrupt seems to be good in general, just making sure trustworthy people are working on the trains.
Well Wizards of the Cost literally just sent them after a UA-camr that wizards accidentally sent a unreleased Box of Magic the Gathering to
Pinkerton's also killed strikers in the Bread and Roses strike in Lawrence, Massachusetts. Tossed a grenade into a crowd of striking teenage mill girls at one point if I recall correctly...
Exactly why they are deserving bad guys
“And it’s always a goddamn train!” -Arthur Morgan, 1899
Milton: Mr. Dutch Van Der Linde, Mr. Morgan... and you are...?
John: R I P V A N W I N K L E
Dutch: And to what do we owe the pleasure, Agent Moron?
how do you know my mothers maiden name?
Ok, this mans life is full of ironic situations. He has a criminal record in Scotland, but becomes a sheriffs deputy. Founder of the Pinkerton detective agency, but is instead used to break up union strikes, not what he exactly wanted.
Considering the rationalizations he engaged in about the last activity, it became exactly what he wanted.
Except he defended it with stupid non arguments while still alive and in charge of the agency
I didn't expect to hear that Pinkerton himself fought for working class rights in his early life. Now I know what Chartism is too, interesting stuff.
Didn't you watch the video? That was exactly as he wanted. He was just a hypocrite who reneged on his ideals once he got money.
Pinkerton didn't do anything with unions. the guest author was extremely deceptive in how they portrayed the order of events with an almost lawyer like approach with a disclaimer. All the anti-union stuff happened after Pinkerton's death and the private security company being passed to his children. Pinkerton himself didn't sell out his values.
hmm I wonder why im seeing this video now... hmmmmmmm
Wotc why cant you break free of hasbro ;-;
It should also have been stated that The Pinkerton Detective Agency is still around today and also responsible for some of the most horrific Anti-Labor violence in American history
Oh, we are definitely aware of their existence now. Looking at you Hasbro.
And now theyre back in the news in 2023 thanks to Fucking Wizards
Allan Pinkerton is a great example of “You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
Pinkerton may have had some not too proud moments in his life, but he had been dead several years by the time of the strike in the video.
He was a hypocrite
they were mever the hero
Three guesses as to why a MtG player got this video in his recommendations at the end of April, 2023.
Me too lol
Hey that's me!
It's always fascinating to hear an aspect of such a widely discussed historical organization that I've never seen discussed before, thanks for all the work you guys do
There is a clear and direct reason why American education and social commentary don't touch on America's anti-Union groups. $$$ is at play.
Well this video is now relevant thanks to Wizards of the Coast.
"You people venerate savagery, and you will die! Savagely!"
-Andrew Milton, 1899
Oh we're all gonna die, agent
@@jurtra9090 "Some sooner than others!"
"enjoy your fishing, kid"
@@hendadon718 while you still can
Do the Battle of Mount Blair. Fits perfectly with this episodes theme.
My Great-Granddad was apart of the Battle of Blair Mountain. We need to talk about that battle a lot more than we do.
@@travishabursky4362 sounds about right to me.
They choose video topics using patreon. Sorry, man.
@@judebreheny3925 damn. Well, there's always hope they'll listen
@@mauktheogre4477 Not really. You have to pay to be a patreon and part of the way they encourage people to support them on P. is by only offering votes to patrons. There's really no chance unless someone decides it would make a good video.
How big was the view spike for this video in the weeks after Wizards of the Coast sent the Pinkertons to that guy's house to retrieve those Pre-Pre-Pre- prerelease magic cards?
Well, thank WotC for bringing your video back into relevancy
I watched when it was new… and UA-cam recommended it today. Hmmm, perhaps WotC has whacked the proverbial hornets’ nest again. 😉
nowadays they use the Pinkertons to raid youtubers for magic the gathering cards
UA-cam recommeding this to me shortly after WotC's use of them is... interesting to say nothing else.
Learnt to pronounce "Glasgow" I see.
Almost. It's still sounds more Glass-go than Glaz-go
@@wanderingrandomer he is an American so we should give him some leeway. Besides, at least it's not glass-cow
*learn
No t in learn.
But not "Illinois", the "s" is silent. He made that mistake at least 3 times.
@@frankdantuono2594 Dude, that was so painful.
I often wonder if people outside of Illinois just don't know that.
Shoutout to everyone back here after the Pinkertons were hired to steal back Magic: The gathering cards from a UA-camr who accidentally got merch before it was supposed to be released
The journey through the Red Dead Redemption games introduced me to the Pinkertons and their role in history as I had never heard anything of them in real life. It's sad to see how a humble and well intended ideal can become something that went against it's own values. Really makes you rethink a lot about those games and who you were facing.
And noooooow they have allegedly raided some youtuber who seems like his only offense was to be being sent the wrong cards and inadvertently leaking them. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out and expands their history
Found my way here after hearing about that whole situation lol.
IIRC, they didn't actually raid his home. They knocked on his door and demanded the return of the cards. Still somewhat bullying in appearance, but there was no raid involved.
@@TheHiggybaby you come to my house with a gang of armed men demanding something that's mine legally that's a raid period
"Poderoso caballero es Don Dinero."
Rimane sontato pfuggure solo nero
I just very recently found out Allen Pinkerton is my great great great grandfather... Oh man. I am adopted so it's certainly been a whirlwind of information. Thanks for sharing.
Oof
You need to mentally separate memes and genes
Damn that’s sad
@@TheSaxyCarrotwhy? He’s a descendant of an abolitionist, an Underground Railroad worker, a defender of immigrants and a man who saved Abraham Lincoln. That is worthy of being proud of while also denouncing the organization that he created and emerged after him
“Agent Milton
Agent Ross
*Pinkerton detective agency heard you robbed a train up near granite pass* ?
David Castillo *sorry can’t do that friend*
Note: the Pinkertons, albeit diminished, still exist today, still attempting to bust organized labor for the highest bidder, and other disgusting companies like them rose up in order to break the common man, and they’re still quite prominent, if much more subtle and silent.
And now stealing cards
And were bought by a big Swedish company in 1999
This just became relevant again.
Watching this after the Pinkertons were used by Hasbro to illegally break and enter into people's house. They shiuld be disbanded.
...Well fucking played, UA-cam. Well fucking played
I can not believe that in 2023 I'm watching this video because WotC just sent the literal Pinkertons to intimate and harass a client/youtuber.
Hey it's those guys Hasbro hired to harass someone for mistakenly sending him the wrong pack of cards two weeks before release date
I'm here because Hasbro just used Pinkerton's to raid a guy's house for magic the gathering cards
Same bruh
Wizards of the Coast are fcked up for this lol
...and they are still going strong, even in 2023. Little paper cards are serious business.
I cringed every time he pronounced the 's' in Illinois.
I'm Australian and yet, same.
Yes, great video, but Illinoisy
I'm actually surprised his cat didn't correct him
Suddenly this is APPARENTLY very relevant TODAY too
Interesting. A pity this seems to be just a one-off, I'd be up for a whole series of Pinkertons' history. There's a lot to unpack in there.
I'm still hoping you make an episode about Georgiy Khrustalyov-Nosar. The father of Russian socialism and one of the leading figures of the 1905 Russian Revolution, who was later driven from the RSDLP and killed on the orders of one of his own proteges, Leon Trotsky. He really deserves to be more well-known.
Extra class consciousness
@@охотникТомпсона underrated comment
And then Trotsky was later driven out of his homeland by Stalin. I'd still say his ideas were better than Stalin's, but clearly he wasn't all that much better. Can't we have just one historical figure that's just half-way decent with no contradictory actions? Please?
Where I can find information on his deeds and biography? there's even no wiki page for him. And that is weird, if he truly was such an important figure in Russian revolution.
@@sandrosixarulidze398 Sadly, there isn't a lot of readily-available information on him. Probably in large part thanks to Trotsky. There are a few mentions of him on the Wikipedia pages for the 1905 Russian Revolution and Leon Trotsky:
"A strike by railway workers on 21 October [O.S. 8 October] 1905 quickly developed into a general strike in Saint Petersburg and Moscow. This prompted the setting up of the short-lived Saint Petersburg Soviet of Workers' Delegates, an admixture of Bolsheviks and Mensheviks headed by Khrustalev-Nossar."
"By the time of Trotsky's arrival, the Saint Petersburg Soviet was already functioning headed by Khrustalyev-Nosar (Georgy Nosar, alias Pyotr Khrustalyov). Khrustalyev-Nosar had been a compromise figure when elected as the head of the Saint Petersburg Soviet. Khrustalev-Nosar was a lawyer that stood above the political factions contained in the Soviet.
However, since his election, he proved to be very popular with the workers in spite of the Bolsheviks' original opposition to him. Khrustalev-Nosar became famous in his position as spokesman for the Saint Petersburg Soviet. Indeed, to the outside world, Khrustalev-Nosar was the embodiment of the Saint Petersburg Soviet. Trotsky joined the Soviet under the name "Yanovsky" (after the village he was born in, Yanovka) and was elected vice-chairman. He did much of the actual work at the Soviet and, after Khrustalev-Nosar's arrest on 26 November 1905, was elected its chairman."
The citations provided for those sections are:
Voline (2004). Unknown Revolution, Chapter 2: The Birth of the "Soviets"
Isaac Deutscher, The Prophet Armed: Trotsky, 1879-1921, p. 131
Leon Trotsky, 1905, pg. 218
Additionally, there is a Russian Wikipedia page for him, if you can either read Russian or deal with the extremely broken Google translation of the page. Unfortunately, I can't link you directly to it because of the Russian characters in the url, but it's the second link in the "Usage on ru.wikipedia.org" section on this page: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georgiy_Nosar.jpg#filelinks
Hope that helps you get started!
Imagine having these mercenaries sent to your home for piece of cardboard...
They at it again, Agnes
this just happened to appear in my yt recommended page. Considering recent events, i don't think it's randomized
Just FYI guys, the 's' is silent in "Illinois."
I was going to comment the same thing! Had to do a double listen!
No, its spelled illinoi-s-e
I'll Noise?
Yes thank you that was bugging me so much
It's illy-noice. Anything else is just propaganda
Hasbro moment
Wow what a coincidence that I get this in my recommended list to me right now
Apparently they also seize magic the gathering cards
"A hundred thousand dollars, can I turn myself in? " Arthur Morgan
“We want vanderlind” Milton
@Arthur Marston is your name seriously Arthur Marston
can we use them to get trading cards back
So like many "great men" of history, he was also conveniently hypocritical.
Hypocrisy is a requirement to be a class traitor.
Do you know how many people branded as "colleagues" or "Comrades" hated each other's guts? look at all the "Communist" powers: the USSR and the PRC hated each other (they fought more than one border skirmish), and most of the South American and Southeast Asian "communists" simply used the USSR and China as resource mills. Ideology is distressingly fluid in the face of practicality. The US happily looked the other way at the Fascist regimes they put in power so long as they were ardently anti-communist. Hitler readily armed Muslims, Slavs, Poles and Ukrainians if they were willing to fight the allies for him. The Communist regime in Afghanistan was as farcically inept for the USSR as South Vietnam's government was for the USA.
How was he hypocritical? His organization later betrayed his values, but the testing of workers isn't unethical, taking bribes is a crime and the testing of workers was a nessecary evil. While he may have opposed anarchists and socialists, he was overall a good man.
Well I think when making the video they forgot that he didn't strike because of work conditions or whatever but because he wanted to vote.
Since people in the US could vote, he might have seen them as beeing too needy and whatnot. Now if this is true IDK but that's what I got from the video, if he was a socialist before, might have been good to mention that in the vid....
@TrapLordHodor Yes
am i the only one annoyed with how he says “illinois”
Nope
Im enraged as a local
Very very annoyed
To be fair, we're from a region of pants on head on fire pronunciations. Like 'Jolly-ette'....
But I won't say I'm not disappointed, they usually do a lot better.
First Glass-cow and now Illi-noise?
the Knights of Capitalism ?
More like the Goons of Greed.
They've been in the news recently. Wizards of the coast sent some to a streamer's house after mistakingly sending him the wrong Magic card to tease.
Zero chill
Just wanted to mention, the “S” in Illinois is silent.
There is no oy in Illinois either.
Kevin Sullivan ??? How do you pronounce it?
What? ??? I have always called them the Illiniissss.
I did a presentation on then and I’ve wanted to see more people cover them ever since! Great job guys!
Hmm wizards of the coast sending some thugs after a fan. Let me look into this organization…
Thank you for this informative presentation. I wish that public school history classes were as factual. One of the security guard companies I worked for was Pinkerton (and Pinkerton provided the guard force for Disneyland during the Fifties). Part of orientation was being taught Pinkerton history, but they left out the part about Allen Pinkerton's criminal activities.
One part that really hit the target was that local "law enforcement" during the 19th Century had severe issues with corruption. Two other issues raised in this presentation were limited jurisdiction and general incompetence. Law enforcement didn't have to be competent at the time. One reason for the 1893 Anti-Pinkerton Act was that the Pinkertons were investigating corrupt law enforcement organizations run by Democratic Party political machines--and this was stopping the South from rising again. Now we have multiple alphabet organizations doing the same jobs that the Pinkertons did for the federal government.