Kind of a weird tier list when you have carriers at S tier and high templar at A. Carriers are a situationally useful late-game unit against terran and terran only. High templar are an absolutely crucial and game changing unit vs zerg, the strongest mid-late game unit against protoss, and also a very strong option against terran especially if used well with shuttles. If you sent a protoss player off to play 100 games without being allowed to make carriers and 100 games without being allowed to make high templars, he'll lose wayyy more of the games where he can't make high templar.
@@SorakaOTP462 Actually I went pretty much all scouts in a 3v3 top vs bot fast money map. I was with 2 terran , one was tanks/goliaths ... the other ghosts and nukes. We wiped up the opposition in about 25ish minutes ( they were 1 of each race ) I was able to stop carriers coming in on one side , and guardians coming in on the other ( was center bridge choke point type map ) But ya , just happened to work out great for that niche situation .
Scv can repair buildings & mech units, if your micro management Is good enough you can use them as cannon fodder & repair each others while THEY absorb damage. AND most important scv can build almost everywhere, scv deserve A Tier.
dropping in to leave a like and comment, you really did something not alot of people did, and so late in the life of the game its really appreciated buddy. the nostalgia.
Could you lower the BKGM levels a bit? Your voice was a bit hard to make out. Also, maybe apply a mild low-pass filter on your voice - the mic was emphasizing the highs.
Broodling FF? That's not fair. Okay, broodlings on their own don't do much, but the fact that you can instant kill a tank from distance is of some value! I'd give em a D or E.
This is a niche situation, but if you spawn broodling on a tank in a cluster, the other tanks' splash damage will affect the tanks that the broodling were next to before they are killed. Also, you can use them as suicidal recon units if you use spawn broodling on a lone unit. For those reasons they should be higher than FF. Scout, on the other hand, should be FFF.
The thing that gets me about Protoss Scout is the traits that could make it good are locked behind tech research, but it's already so expensive & slow to warp-in! Corsairs are superior.
I actually don't agree with your whole list but I'm a Protoss player and I absolutely agree Arbiters kick fucking ass. They are great against every race and there is never a situation that you wouldn't want 1. Also 100 minerals/ 350 gas is hella cheap if you are forgoing templar tech.
Dunno how hydra isn't S tier, they are cheap, fast, fast atk, strong, can attack land and air units, their only weakness is splash damage since they are low hp. Maybe because im a Terran player but I also would give a battlecruiser a solid A maybe even higher than Ultralisk, I get that It's most expensive and extremely slow, however unlike Ultralisk, they can attack land and air units also their Yamato Gun is pleasure to see when full stack uses it, Valkiries can complement it's weakness in being slow. Reavers i would put into a D tier due to them being so slow, i can understand that they could cause havok when droped off by shuttles but other then that I can't see them in any other situation than defending the base maybe. To give some love to Protoss, i would but dark archon in a solid B because of their mind control and how you could manage to give yourself an advantage of playing 2 races lol.
You didn't even use two of the tiers. So you could split A tier in half, making Ultralist or Goliath the best B tier unit (and then moving down the other tears down one accordingly, so at the end what was D tier will be E.) Then you could move the infested terrans and broodlings from FF up to F and finally put the Scout into FF.
But Drones can burrow! And as a Zerg player, I'm sad that you put Guardians and Infested Terrans in low tiers. Dark Archon should be S tier, too in my opinion.
There is a very important note that you missed on the devour. For every stack of spore on the enemy unit it also lowers their attack speed as well. You can easily test this out with a Devourer vs Corsair to see how dramatic the Attack Speed is. If anything it should be up with the Battlecruiser only because it can't attack ground.
Hm, you forgot to mention that SCVs can repair things. Also I don't think putting the peons in there makes sense. "Drone sucks" ok try playing zerg without making any. It just doesn't make sense to compare it to combat and support units, only to other peons. Hydras are better? How did you build them? Dark Archon's purpose is to steal your teammate's BCs until you have 120 of them :D Then make it rain lasers on the whole map.
The valkyrie is a broken unit for me, is expensive but has a massive plating, and does area damage, plus good attack speed, not the fastest but pretty decent. A valkyrie attack plus battlecruisers is almost unstoppable by protoss. Do you suggest a strategy against valkyrie and battlecruiser (you being the protoss)
I would make Dragoon and Templar with storm. Then again most people don’t make BC or Valkyrie against Protoss because they aren’t particularly good. I’d you run into it a lot and have tried carrier / Corsair, try a ground army with goon/ archon/ storm
@@Burt1038 either way is a fantatuc counter. Also, Scouts shred BCs. Its just that when you mind control a Battle Cruiser, you then get a BATTLE CRUISER, instead of just destroying it.
@@iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053 in most cases a mind controlled unit will get killed quickly plus the dark archon is extremely vulnerable due to the drain of shields. Feedback is cheaper and more useful but then again psi storm is better than any of the above. Dark archon, like ghost or queen, is one of those units that seems purpose-built for the campaign.
I have had good luck with them ( going mostly scouts ) When have good team play micro manage . Teamed up with Terran tank/goliath for example ... fast money maps though , not low money . Nor just taking care of your own so to speak , as many team play games can end up .
Disagree with Valkyrie I have seen enough unit tests that it is actually effective in large numbers two valks will take down three corsairs, nearly kill battle cruisers one on one and have enormous splash damage
Valkyries are probably the only units that can effectively deal with a battlecruiser or a carrier fleet with no issues, I saw a match where 4 or 5 valkyries wiped out like 20 stacked wraith, it was ridiculous, I think valkyries should be the gold standard against mutalisks (just like corsairs are in pvz), they're extremely good against them.
well arbiter can actually do damage :D ye so can a defiler, but still it cant attack and stasis field is nice as fuck plague it can be good if ppl not paying attention also the imune to damage is nice aswell.
@@Elchupanibres Arbiter is an amazing unit but it's not overpowered, just cheap. Defiler is just like cheating however. The main reason I put defiler above arbiter is because of crazyzerg
wouldnt infested terran kinda be like a a great way to harass terran in the sense i think a command center has to get to 50% or lower so theoretically couldnt you just bum rush an expo with a queen and infest it and then leave? I think in general infested terrans should just be considered campaign units.
Everything you say looses a bit credibility after misplacing SCV this badly, they are the best workers by a lot! High templar is argubly the best caster in the game.
Ultralisk above Battlecruiser blows my mind. Ultralisks are cumbersome dps sponges while Battlecruisers can decimate defenses from the fog of war with the Yamato gun.
Try using infantry in TvP in situation other than punishing nexus first/early carriers. Reavers/High Templar make them absolutely worthless. Zealot and zergling stay viable the whole game for Z and P. Terran is badly unfavored in Brood War.
Kind of a weird tier list when you have carriers at S tier and high templar at A. Carriers are a situationally useful late-game unit against terran and terran only. High templar are an absolutely crucial and game changing unit vs zerg, the strongest mid-late game unit against protoss, and also a very strong option against terran especially if used well with shuttles. If you sent a protoss player off to play 100 games without being allowed to make carriers and 100 games without being allowed to make high templars, he'll lose wayyy more of the games where he can't make high templar.
He did his tier list before Arthosis so he did not have the pressure and point of view of him to look at ALL matches.
Very happy i read this comment, Thank you nic
I always used to mind control my friends workers with my dark archon and start making terran buildings
You should have moved the infested terran and broodling up. The FF tier was obviously designed just for the scout
what are you talking about scouts are OP. You make a lot of them, upgrade them and siege enemy base doing 1 damage each time.
@@SorakaOTP462 Actually I went pretty much all scouts in a 3v3 top vs bot fast money map. I was with 2 terran , one was tanks/goliaths ... the other ghosts and nukes.
We wiped up the opposition in about 25ish minutes ( they were 1 of each race )
I was able to stop carriers coming in on one side , and guardians coming in on the other ( was center bridge choke point type map )
But ya , just happened to work out great for that niche situation .
Scv can repair buildings & mech units, if your micro management Is good enough you can use them as cannon fodder & repair each others while THEY absorb damage.
AND most important scv can build almost everywhere, scv deserve A Tier.
Background music volume should probably be a little lower.
This was the last thing i was expecting to see today
Oh man, So glad to know you are back, welcome and thanks for that, really looking forward to see what´s coming...
dropping in to leave a like and comment, you really did something not alot of people did, and so late in the life of the game its really appreciated buddy. the nostalgia.
Could you lower the BKGM levels a bit? Your voice was a bit hard to make out. Also, maybe apply a mild low-pass filter on your voice - the mic was emphasizing the highs.
Broodling FF? That's not fair. Okay, broodlings on their own don't do much, but the fact that you can instant kill a tank from distance is of some value! I'd give em a D or E.
That’s more of a Queen thing than a brooding thing but I see what you’re saying
This is a niche situation, but if you spawn broodling on a tank in a cluster, the other tanks' splash damage will affect the tanks that the broodling were next to before they are killed. Also, you can use them as suicidal recon units if you use spawn broodling on a lone unit. For those reasons they should be higher than FF.
Scout, on the other hand, should be FFF.
Mr.Proffessor I just found your videos like a week ago and they've been so helpful, so glad to see there will be more content :)
what the fuck you back!! welcome back brother
The thing that gets me about Protoss Scout is the traits that could make it good are locked behind tech research, but it's already so expensive & slow to warp-in! Corsairs are superior.
The Return of the Executor
- Siege tank. Probably the best unit in the game. Easily top 3.
- Ends up being 4th
defiler, mutalisk, vulture, and probe are all better than tank.
tank gets #5 spot.
agree with most of these, main exception is that zergling should (very easily) be S instead of A
love for scouts!
yay you are back!!
I actually don't agree with your whole list but I'm a Protoss player and I absolutely agree Arbiters kick fucking ass. They are great against every race and there is never a situation that you wouldn't want 1. Also 100 minerals/ 350 gas is hella cheap if you are forgoing templar tech.
Dunno how hydra isn't S tier, they are cheap, fast, fast atk, strong, can attack land and air units, their only weakness is splash damage since they are low hp.
Maybe because im a Terran player but I also would give a battlecruiser a solid A maybe even higher than Ultralisk, I get that It's most expensive and extremely slow, however unlike Ultralisk, they can attack land and air units also their Yamato Gun is pleasure to see when full stack uses it, Valkiries can complement it's weakness in being slow.
Reavers i would put into a D tier due to them being so slow, i can understand that they could cause havok when droped off by shuttles but other then that I can't see them in any other situation than defending the base maybe.
To give some love to Protoss, i would but dark archon in a solid B because of their mind control and how you could manage to give yourself an advantage of playing 2 races lol.
Cracklings/Fully upgraded Zerglings with Dark Spawn is God Mode, easily S Tier.
welll i just started playing again after 20 years and can confirm that scout does exist, someone just kicked the shit out of me with a bunch of scouts
Auch
You didn't even use two of the tiers. So you could split A tier in half, making Ultralist or Goliath the best B tier unit (and then moving down the other tears down one accordingly, so at the end what was D tier will be E.) Then you could move the infested terrans and broodlings from FF up to F and finally put the Scout into FF.
probe is S-tier man, you need one probe to build your entire army/base
But Drones can burrow! And as a Zerg player, I'm sad that you put Guardians and Infested Terrans in low tiers. Dark Archon should be S tier, too in my opinion.
There is a very important note that you missed on the devour. For every stack of spore on the enemy unit it also lowers their attack speed as well. You can easily test this out with a Devourer vs Corsair to see how dramatic the Attack Speed is. If anything it should be up with the Battlecruiser only because it can't attack ground.
Hm, you forgot to mention that SCVs can repair things. Also I don't think putting the peons in there makes sense. "Drone sucks" ok try playing zerg without making any. It just doesn't make sense to compare it to combat and support units, only to other peons. Hydras are better? How did you build them?
Dark Archon's purpose is to steal your teammate's BCs until you have 120 of them :D
Then make it rain lasers on the whole map.
Grab you goggles, put your lab coat on
Here he comes, Professor Protoss.
E and F tiers exist with no units while the Scout doesn't exist apparently.
lol describing the vulture was funny as fuck
Professor Protoss will you be restarting your series for how to play starcraft brood war?
Yes I will be making more tutorials and other kinds of videos as well stay tuned!
No way you’re back
The music is way too loud (compared to your voice). But nice tier list anyway
The valkyrie is a broken unit for me, is expensive but has a massive plating, and does area damage, plus good attack speed, not the fastest but pretty decent. A valkyrie attack plus battlecruisers is almost unstoppable by protoss. Do you suggest a strategy against valkyrie and battlecruiser (you being the protoss)
I would make Dragoon and Templar with storm. Then again most people don’t make BC or Valkyrie against Protoss because they aren’t particularly good. I’d you run into it a lot and have tried carrier / Corsair, try a ground army with goon/ archon/ storm
Mind conrtol totally rapes Battle Cruisers which is why only noobs make them against Protoss
BCs melt to storm
@@Burt1038 either way is a fantatuc counter. Also, Scouts shred BCs. Its just that when you mind control a Battle Cruiser, you then get a BATTLE CRUISER, instead of just destroying it.
@@iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053 in most cases a mind controlled unit will get killed quickly plus the dark archon is extremely vulnerable due to the drain of shields. Feedback is cheaper and more useful but then again psi storm is better than any of the above. Dark archon, like ghost or queen, is one of those units that seems purpose-built for the campaign.
My S tier would be: Tank / Hydralisk / Defiler / Arbitrer / Zealot / Science Vessel / Vulture
Quite hyperbolic at times. About the Scout "Even if it was half the cost I wouldn't get it" what a load of horse crap
I have had good luck with them ( going mostly scouts ) When have good team play micro manage . Teamed up with Terran tank/goliath for example ... fast money maps though , not low money . Nor just taking care of your own so to speak , as many team play games can end up .
Protoss units in general are OP. They require little micro and are extremely powerful.
y but they are kinda pricey, but i agree i love protoss, and dark archon to MC a drone\scv :D
Surprised you put the drone as the worst worker. SCV is worse.
Hydralisk tier S for sure, mass hydra is the best unit in the game
Disagree with Valkyrie I have seen enough unit tests that it is actually effective in large numbers two valks will take down three corsairs, nearly kill battle cruisers one on one and have enormous splash damage
I agree. People have been finding more and more ways to get value with Valks since they fixed the sprite issue in remastered.
Valkyries are probably the only units that can effectively deal with a battlecruiser or a carrier fleet with no issues, I saw a match where 4 or 5 valkyries wiped out like 20 stacked wraith, it was ridiculous, I think valkyries should be the gold standard against mutalisks (just like corsairs are in pvz), they're extremely good against them.
Is this actual tier list or Professor Protoss tier list?
Protoss ape of course, putting arbiter above defiler
well arbiter can actually do damage :D ye so can a defiler, but still it cant attack and stasis field is nice as fuck plague it can be good if ppl not paying attention also the imune to damage is nice aswell.
@@Elchupanibres Arbiter is an amazing unit but it's not overpowered, just cheap. Defiler is just like cheating however. The main reason I put defiler above arbiter is because of crazyzerg
If the probe is the best worker by far then why is the scv in the same tier as it????
How on earth did you do my boy , devourer, dirty like that.
wouldnt infested terran kinda be like a a great way to harass terran in the sense i think a command center has to get to 50% or lower so theoretically couldnt you just bum rush an expo with a queen and infest it and then leave? I think in general infested terrans should just be considered campaign units.
ZVP, Lurker is S Tier. Definitely before vulture.
Everything you say looses a bit credibility after misplacing SCV this badly, they are the best workers by a lot!
High templar is argubly the best caster in the game.
Ultralisk above Battlecruiser blows my mind. Ultralisks are cumbersome dps sponges while Battlecruisers can decimate defenses from the fog of war with the Yamato gun.
Wait, no one uses hallucination to scout?
Where is the S tier observer?!
Actually the best staple unit is the marine>ling>zealot
Try using infantry in TvP in situation other than punishing nexus first/early carriers. Reavers/High Templar make them absolutely worthless. Zealot and zergling stay viable the whole game for Z and P. Terran is badly unfavored in Brood War.
@@Tobiash87 Terran Is highly unfavored? Wut? Tell that to flash
Why you left?
Scout doesnt exist lol, they need to buff scout for god sake..and nerf fuking tank or make reaver attack hit
audio mix bad
What? lmao hell no