The problem is that Hoyo doesn't want players to prepare or plan their jade resources. They dont want you to know when a unit will come back so you have Fomo and spend your jades on the current banner instead of saving them for a future banner. They want to keep draining your jades because the less you have the more likely are to buy.
Honestly I completely agree I was thinking it be good if they gave us like a patch are two heads up when they did double banners but that wouldn't force people to open their wallets so I know that's never happening.
I'm really glad you mentioned that they have access to data like pulls that are saved. ppl kinda downplay that these companies have TONS of data that shapes their decisions. I think that this is also a way to throw off people who base their pulls on... dreams and visions lol. I've realized that you should AT LEAST go for the character you want on launch banner b/c the reruns are always so brutal. if you're ok with maybe missing the character you want. that way if you win the 50/50 you win lol. but if you lose, you'll at least have a guarantee to consider for the next character you get.
People truly have no idea how much data and metrics are constantly tracked and analyzed by Mihoyo. They know what everyone is doing, regardless of what people say online or whatever (both in terms of spending, what ingame modes are played more, etc). They aren't making decisions randomly or without any prior data to support their strategy.
As a newer player, I mostly love the idea of more frequent reruns. Would have preferredit to be a bit more spread out though, maybe like Feixiao, Robin/Kafka, then Lingsha, Topaz/BS. Would love a DOT team but I desperately want the good follow up team, and I need at least Robin and Feixiao for that.
If it's gonna be 2 and 2, each up during half the patch then that doesn't really change anything cuz how many pulls can you reasonably accumulate during that time? Ofc there might be extra pulls during second half but it's likely not gonna be enough still.
@@uniwolfgamer1094 To be fair, it would be much better if the 3 reruns were on phase2 because then you obviously will have more jades in your pocket than in phase1.
I feel like you're absolutely crushing the content creation game. Usually if I have questions I throw them to the Hoyoverse platform and just kinda hope someone answers it. You're changing that up, though! Know that you are appreciated (and I really hope your channel keeps growing as quickly as it is).
@@trapchan386 Instead of Fexiao + Robin/Kafka/BS and Lingsha + Topaz, they could've done Fexiao + Robin/Kafka and Lingsha + Topaz/BS. Essentially, instead of 3 reruns in the first half and 1 rerun in the second, make it two reruns in both halves.
I feel like if they just do triple banners every patch, that doesn't saturate the 5 stars too much while also allowing more people more opportunities to get characters faster and be able to save while newer players with more jade income can get the game started even faster, and that allows hoyo to make more money (for their benefits) and it doesn't feel scummy to the point where is just caters to the flavor of the month and selling you teams instead of characters. Imagine a quad banner with Firefly/Lingsha/Ruan Mei/(Limited HMC or smt like that) then you pretty much get the Break starter kit for the low price price of your wallet. That's why consistent triple banners would be a better alternative imo.
The most important thing (if you care about getting max stars in all endgame consistently) is to get 1 DPS of each archetype (break, debuff, and FuA) + 1 limited harmony and 1 limited sustain. 4 stars can fill in any gaps you have, but having these will ensure you never feel you “need” to pull
@@jaykayy4268 only dps that don’t fall into an “archetype” fell off. Dr Ratio, Topaz, Kafka, Clara and Himeko (just to name a few) are all 1.x units and have aged super well. If you were to pick up Acheron, Firefly/Boothill, Ratio/Feixiao, or Yunli, you will be set for ages. The important thing, as I stated, is that they either have follow up attacks, debuffs, or are break DPS. Jingliu and DanIL have none of those
Nah, even in a scarce game like genshin you can totally get 80%+ of the roster (like myself). Even more so if you buy the blessing every month (im just an intern in Brazil and still can buy it comfortably)
Synergetic characters are probably gonna rerun together within the banner, and that is tempting & stressful to most players who enjoy specific core teams. My personal plan is to pick up the key support from said roster, for example Robin in 2.5, and will comeback to the other teammates later on if they're still desirable.
The quad banner isn't the issue. The issue is WHO is on those quad banners. If the Quad banner had Seele, Jing Yuan, & Silver Wolf to run alongside Feixiao, people wouldn't even blink. People are upset because they deliberately chose characters they know are well sought after to run alongside Feixiao in an attempt to goad F2Ps into becoming low spenders and get low spenders to spend a bit more. Even if you make an argument for Robin to come back early because she's Fei's BiS, WHY is BOTH Kafka and Black Swan back already? Hoyo obviously knows what they're doing and so does everyone else.
Black Swan is the oldest character (excluding Dr. Ratio but he’s an exception due to his free event) without their first rerun. She was due to rerun anyway, and delaying her for another patch to balance them out would’ve led Hoyo to throw other units in those slots instead. I’d say Robin is more egregious for her rerun, being newer than Black Swan by 2 patches, even if she is BiS.
@@eddiemate Black Swan being apart of the lineup is fine. Having Black Swan AND Kafka together is an obvious ploy. And I definitely don't deny the Robin pick is the most egregious. It's just that there's an argument for it. There's no argument for having BOTH core DoT members on the same banner, which so happens to run alongside Feixiao.
@@MrAnime4lyfe Oh I won’t argue that Kafka being there is a ploy, it 100% is. But just like with Robin, Kafka is Black Swan's BiS. She’s good on her own, but Kafka makes her great. Plus… who else would go on that banner if it wasn’t Kafka? Topaz wouldn’t be appealing enough to run alongside Fei and Robin (no matter how much I love her) plus it’d lead into the same issues of the following characters rerunning. Very few characters have the appeal to run solo, and those that do have already run very recently. The last options I could see are Acheron, which would take pulls away from Feixiao. Or Aventurine, who would probably be seen as too much by Hoyo, running 3 FuA characters on one banner (and the full team in one patch) plus they’d want to appeal to light spenders by giving people time to get some pulls, then buy the rest when he comes back in 2.6.
@@eddiemate LOL its exactly because Kafka makes her great is why it's so nasty xD In terms of who could replace Kafka, we've already seen that Hoyo is more than happy to through re-run schedules out the window by bringing back both Robin and Topaz so soon so it could literately be anyone. Seele, Jing Yuan, Blade etc. I personally don't think the quad banners should be teams packaged in one like we're seeing here. Just make it random 5*s or 5*s that have no real correlation. The only reason to bundle teams in these banners is to increase sales. And sadly, it will absolutely work. This month's sales is going to be bananas.
@@MrAnime4lyfe Trust me, I know that’s why it’s nasty. Although Robin was the nasty rerun for me, since I knew Kafka was coming back from leaks, and I was ready to skip Feixiao for the DoT duo… then Robin got announced and I had to flip the entire script. Anyway, I know that reruns schedules have been thrown out the window with these, I was looking with that in mind. However I genuinely can’t see an older character that is appealing and hasn’t had a run recently. Anything else would be effectively random which would’ve been ideal, but like you said they’re trying to bundle teams now (well id argue it started in 2.2 with Robin/Topaz, but it definitely actually started in 2.3 with Firefly/Ruan Mei) because those are going to sell better. Can’t wait to see the revenue numbers for this month, it’s going to hurt my soul seeing how well this worked.
Just bring us DDD and Tingyun, and I will believe that Hoyo ain't predatory at all. They've been hiding these two for a long time already, apparently. "The cycle is now faster", then how about the 4-star units and LCs? I don't see "cycle" at all. Hoyo decides on which characters and LCs to put in reruns, and that's why we always see characters that synergizes the best on whoever that unit that is currently debuting... like look at that Fei, then Robin and Topaz on reruns? Topaz?? Robin just got introduced very recently... I believe it was in 2.2, and Topaz, for krayzt sake, just had her rerun on Robin's debut. There's literally no "cycle". They only want money alone, and that's it. It's just greed and mostly predatory. People are too blind and getting brainwashed hard to believe that somehow Hoyo's doing good, that this behaviour of theirs is good.
Name one Company on this Planet that does not want your money and is "good" Just enjoy the product and do not fomo every character will return and new good characters will be released
@@Sakamoto_1535E3 If people have lack of self control that is on them Only because a product exist does not mean you have to buy it Is it that hard to make a priority list? You can beat this game with characters only at e0 and if you decide to spend money on it the only 2 worthy options are the daily login and the BP thats it If people really think they need to spend hundreds or thousand of dollars on characters for a game that isn't even hard - that is just stupid You decide what you do with your money You decide what you play If your a unable to just wait guess what it is a you problem
the threat of FOMO is really real with this banner system, before this news i was never really feeling the FOMO in HSR, but with this robin-kafka-black swan banner now im really having to think of who to pull between the 4 characters in first half.
I said fk this and pulled jioqiu lc for my blackswan and spent remaining pulls on jiaqiu banner, now I am 60 pulls In guaranteed. Now I have no Jades and I am finally at peace ✌. This fomo really hit me hard in penacony, especially when I needed blackswan- so I had to skip sparkle, skipped aventurine- for acheron, Now I was going feixiao and robin but banner created a huge fomo which I never ever experienced in Any gacha, Bro I skipped ruan mei for jade , I didn't feel this feel much fomo ever since.😂 Finally I am free from this bulksh*t banner , will grab robin and go aventurine. 😊 PEACE ✌
That's why we should have 4 banners every patch. Before this patch not a single character has had a second rerun, meaning if you didn't get a character or their LC on their first two banners you might never get them ever. If they do 4 banners every patch, there's a lot less pressure to get the characters you want. They'll be back in a couple months.
there's no FOMO buddy, you will not "miss out" on something that just keeps rerunning FOMO is for things that do not come back, or that the company tells you initially that will never come back, example: Riot Games several times saying X or Y skins will "never come back", like wave 1 halloween skins, championship riven, prestige skins, etc, just to bring them back later, after they baited people telling them that "this will never come back
@@Hiken_Bakuzan Yeah, most gacha players doesn't know what fomo means. And no one will have fomo if they have a "well i will get it later on one of the reruns" mentality instead of "i need it right now!!!" mentality. :D
@@frost_hugger8225 Ummmm, this "if you didn't get it on the first two then you will never" is not true at all. Hoyo games always bring back limited characters, so you just have to be patient and wait. Even with the old "2 new, 2 rerun" system too.
I think there is a third aspect to consider with quad banners: scarcity also drives sales. If they do this style of banner with every patch then FOMO would actually reduce, as you can then reliably expect your desired characters to re-run more often than they would otherwise. But if they only do quad re-runs every so often, then FOMO effectively doubles. The number of posts right now asking for advice on who to pull are irrelevant, because there are whales out there who have already made the decision to pull ALL the characters, and those players are the ones HoYo are most interested in catering for.
If it was minimum, every other patch it'd be fine, or if we, the players, knew that it'd always fall on the same patch (3.5/4.5/5.5, etc), then i think it'd be less of an issue. Them doing it now and the characters they chose is the real problem. Kafka and Topaz getting their 3rd rerun alongside their BiS teammates and Robin beating Silver Wolf and Seele for a rerun feels problematic. If it was Seele, Silver Wolf, Black Swan, and Dr. Ratio, it'd feel a bit fairer. Unit choice is just as important as how often these triple banners return. Tldr: make sure we request them frequently in the survey so they're not able to use them as fomo bait
I think people are missing the fact that these rerun banners will do almost nothing to F2Ps if they always rerun 2 or 3 synergizing characters together, along with new chars that need them. If you lose 50/50 on one of these, then you'll have to wait for another 3 or more patches, nothing's changed. This is just beneficial to hoyo and whales. Also if they rerun them in the next rerun it would take 3 to 5 months and it will most likely be a trap because newer stronger characters will be released again, so they will do absolutely everything to make it hard to complete a team, to make you buy. And that is if they implement it each patch, if this is just a once only thing it would make them even more scummy, tell me how 3+1 and 1+1 isn't scummy. And I am not againts multiple rerun at all, in fact I'd really like to get faster rerun, but not in this scummy ways.
Hoyo has always been scummy, just look at genshin impact. Also remember the firefly+ Ruan mei banner? I haven’t forgotten, I only managed to get Firefly. And Firefly without Ruan is absolutely dogshit. Good job hoyo. All of their games are scummy.
Like literally imagine wanting none of them because you don’t care about meta. Those character getting their reruns now means they won’t in the upcoming patches. Unless they do an ayaka
@@morningstar8501 I literally complained about Firefly and Ruan Mei back then, and people brushed me off, I thought it would drive a lot of players away since it is very disadvantageous to the players. And this specifically one person yelled at me, guess what? They're a whale. Saying they're not going to play the game and wait months to complete a team, and he also added that the company doesn't care about F2Ps, they always care first to the whales. And he's right. Now that it succeeded, no backlash or criticisms, they are doing a more brutal one, for money. Although I get Hoyo wants to get money easily, as usual, they're a gacha game after all, but since team building in this game is super restrictive, they don't have to do this, as this can be very disadvantageous to F2Ps. Luckily I got both Firefly and Ruan Mei, but that is because I am lucky, and I buy supply passes. Who knows what will happen in the future. Hoyo is manipulative and people are so easily tricked. Don't be stupid and think the game is nice and generous.
Am I missing something? Because the devs never stated that this would be a continuous thing. Like, it’s still basically random. It’s no different from how they used to do it. Now it’s probably worse because it’s more likely they’ll rerun an entire team archetype which forces you to wait again for the next if you’re unable to get all the pieces, especially if you’re new. (Basically a cash grab)
I think the problem is we literally have no idea and everyone is basing their opinions off assumptions. It could be an every other patch thing, it could be a once a year thing, it could never happen again if sales are awful on it. We don't know if every quadruple banner will be a meta team, or if they will break it up more to throw in a single less popular character to avoid the "no rerun for 2 years" problem, while still making money on the banner by having other good options as well. Or it will make the problem worse. We just have no idea and won't until we see when and if they do the next one.
Did you not watch the 2.5 Special Program? Owlbert said this: "The Special Warp events will open periodically, giving viewers more opportunities to invite their favourite characters to join the team."
@@TheoDimitry it's so much better there because you're guaranteed to get them and no 50/50. The same 90 pulls, you can choose the meta characters like Herrschers, and etc. As for support you don't need to pull their banners because you can get them using shards. But the catch is majority of the new DPS and supports want their weapons and Stigmata (similiar to relics). The Stigmatas requires gachas to get. Alt F2P stigmas are good most of the time, but the weapons are essential. You need like 60 pulls to get one. Stigmata need like 30 or 60 iirc to get one piece or you can spend 90 and get all 3 if you're lucky. That was on 2023 idk the situation in the present day
It's quite obvious that Hoyoverse is outright pairing characters with insane synergy together for their newer banners. I managed to get my teams sorted because I started in 1.0 and thus had time to build up my teams and pulls. Even then, I still ended up spending money because I have a 50/50 win rate of 38.46% and would lose in banners that I wanted badly. Firefly with Ruan Mei's rerun in 2.3, now we have Kafka + her best sub-DPS Black Swan, Feixiao with Robin, who's the best support for FUA, and then a Topaz rerun in the 2nd half. I can already foresee that Aventurine will rerun in 2.6 after everyone has blown all their jades for Feixiao, Robin, and Topaz, and if rumors are to be true, Sunday might be the DoT Harmony unit for Kafka and Black Swan that people have been waiting for and will likely release soon since Kafka and Black Swan's rerun is in 2.5.
Love the idea of getting reruns of characters more quickly, but im forced to choose between Robin (who would be infinitely better for me since I'm in desperate need of a good 2nd team and have a decent Ratio) and Kafka whom is the whole reason I downloaded the game. I'd be stoked right now if I'd had a month or two to save and get more pulls to guarantee I got her and Swan, but I don't. It'll feel like ass if I have to wait 6+ more months to see them come back, all while resisting the urge to pull for whatever new awesome character comes out.
Yea now if you skip kafka, is a 3rd rerun guaranteed? Is Robin's 2nd rerun guaranteed like with feixiao's first rerun? Do late players starting cuz of old characters (say like starting for topaz lol) have to always play catch up cuz the characters are having their reruns now and no guarantee of 2nd or 3rd rerun?
@@andysabur4966 Please, do not spread misinformation to scare new players. In hoyo games there always will be more than just 1 or 2 reruns for any character. You just need to be patient and wait.
If you're f2p, multiple banners is their way to convert you to a spender. You either stay strong or pull out your credit card. If you decide to swipe, you either choose the slow wait of monthly pass for the next eventual rerun or the more expensive shards for immediate gratification.
It's bad-the reason people say it's good is because "characters will rerun faster" But it being occasional means that they wont actually rerun faster and it will probably be used the same way as now, with many characters that you want for a team, in order to maximize spending
Yeah but it will be faster (cause we are still getting reruns) so older characters that arent in “the meta” aren’t forgotten and it ends up being a year plus before you see them again like genshin. So characters ARE going to be rerunning faster and older characters can be thrown in as well. Yes they want to maximize spending but no one needs to pull on all banners. I see potential in this way of doing things but having just this one banner isnt a lot to tell us how often it will happen or how they will utilize it. So tentatively i say its a good idea and promising till we have it show up a few more times to get better data about it.
Maximize spending is on the player side to control. Re-run banner is something we don't have control of. So I still think quad banner is better for the rotation. You don't have to pull every re-run banner, but knowing character won't be gone for 1 - 2 years is good for people who are saving. Example is Eula from Genshin that is gone from 2.3 until 3.8. You can save up all you want, you won't be pulling your desired character until 588 days (that is exactly number of days between Eula re-run). So imagine Firefly won't got a re-run until 3.8 if they use old rotation like Genshin.
Finally hsr player that can read The quadraple banner not gonna rerun every patch, its still same shit. They do this so people will spend more in 1 patch to get all necessary unit
Isn't it convenient that when black Swan is due for a first rerun, kafka is the very first 2nd rerun. Convenient that with feixiao, Topaz is having her 2nd rerun. Black Swan and Robin having a normal rerun albeit pushed together "Firefly would've been rerun in late 3.8" No way, there's a pseudo reliable 4-6 patches for first reruns schedule. It's the 2nd reruns that we've been asking for. With the opening of kafka and topaz for 2nd rerun, now the "pattern" for 2nd rerun is "will it sell with current units" which I guess has been done a few times (robin/topaz in 2.2 and ff/rm in 2.3). Say bye bye if you started late and wanted to try jingyuan Seele blade for aesthetic/non meta reasons lol
I don’t think we should look too deep into this first rerun banner setup since I think Hoyo is just experimenting to gather data. The second time they do this 4-rerun system will tell us much more.
what is most upsetting about this quad banner for me is the fact that has always irked me since Firefly's banner: putting the support of a new character on the same phase as them. and now they're doing it again with Feixiao and Robin. i was planning to grab Feixiao and then saving for Robin's rerun, but that isn't happening. instead of FOMO, i'm not more convinced that there's no way i'm grabbing Feixiao now and having to wait for Robin's second rerun at god knows when. i'll just focus on grabbing Lingsha for my Firefly team and maybe pull for Blade instead of Feixiao since i already have Jingliu. maybe even grab Rappa to make my Pure Fiction runs not too dependant on Himeko Herta. IF Robin was together with Lingsha (and Topaz with Feixiao), it would've allowed players to 'lick their wounds' before pulling again, since Topaz has alternatives, albeit much less optimal (March, Moze) while there's no replacing Robin as the support of Follow-Up teams. the same with Kafka and Black Swan. they should've just place Black Swan on Lingsha's banner instead of just leaving Topaz to Phase 2. this will allow players to pull for Kafka, get back some jades while waiting for Black Swan to arrive, then luck out Black Swan. the pain is lessened somewhat due to Feixiao casually dropping 1000 jades and the usual 10 free pulls in a patch.
it does suck if you want multiple characters and they rerun together/close to each other especially those that work in the same teams, but in my opinion it's more important that characters are returning for people who want them since we have a lot of 5*s now, and who knows maybe if they implement quad banners somewhat often it'd take the same amount of time for a character to rerun twice compared to the 1 time if there was no quad banner or not as often, but again we don't know if they even will put out quad banners regularly
I personally voted occasional because I think having quadruple banners during 1 character patches are great and should be done for every 2-3 patches or so. I didn't think option 1 was meant to cover regular schedules likes this. With that said, I've never been a fan of Hoyoverse's character scarcity/FOMO where every single newly released 5* are always limited and I would 1000% rather have them added into the Standard pool instead. We are going to have true limiteds (collabs) coming to HSR. So having everything released now until the collab also being limited just feels extra bad for F2P and low spenders.
I like that we are getting more char reruns so if a character i want isnt there - they’ll have a good chance to come back sooner. I just want consistency. I just wish they gave us more of a heads up since i want feixiao and robin and will definitely not have enough saved to even guarantee one of them with 17 pity + no guarantee. Im going to pay a bit more this patch but i dont want to really go all in to get them. Going to skip the next few patches after this to balance it out 😭
My logic is select 2 play styles. For me it's dot/acheron & break teams. Complete them first then go for other play styles. After I get my acheron to e2 I might go for FUA teams. It seems fun
It's obviously a double-edged sword for new players but for older f2p players it can only be a good thing, waiting for a rerun when you decided to skip, whatever the reason, at release means that your resources where spent somewhere else, as long as you keep playing you're bound to get something, the fomo of wanting to build a full archetype, in this case follow-up, in a single patch seems greedy to me
Obviously a game won't always look out for what is good for people who registered an account yesterday. And there is no "fomo" in Hoyo games because you just need to be patient and wait for the reruns instead of having a "i want it RIGHT NOW!!!!!!" mentality. And this patch won't make them greedy just because you personally can't go for all banners as an f2p.
The best thing you can do to try to manage your jades efficiently is to pull meta supports and a couple sustain. With this youll have the foundation for most team comps. After that you can choose main DPS and niche supports for your favorites.
Tower of Fantasy has many characters. They get around this by regularly running a selectable banner with many characters of the roster. I like it as a new player as i get to build a team i like without waiting and getting bored for 2 years to get a team.
I would like it if it was somewhat predictable when they do the four banners as well as not having it related into the new character that everybody wants to pull. A FUA power house people would feel pressured to pull and then robin and topaz in the same close window seems ott
This 100%. If the multi banners came consistently every patch then both new and older players would have to wait less time for reruns. It might be a little overwhelming for new players, but on the flip side, if they've joined the game for a specific character they wouldn't have to wait as long for their rerun. The fact that it's only popping up in one half (instead of, say, moving one of the characters between the first and second halves) and that they're going straight from one rerun to three WITHOUT committing to it every patch is just really dirty. They're going to have the FOMO that comes with only having 2 reruns per patch (making players wait a LONG time for the character they want) while also encouraging people to spend spontaneously when all of their favorite/wanted units suddenly rerun together, especially if the units they rerun together in these triple banners have synergy with each other. I have never spent on HoYo games and I never plan to so overall this is probably better for me, but I can sense some people being taken advantage of by this system. I'm just glad that, as a Kafka main, I joined all the way back in 1.0 and I got Kafka in 1.2 and Black Swan in 2.0. If I had joined in 2.1 and saved for Kafka until 2.5, only to discover that she's rerunning with her favorite teammate and I haven't saved enough for both, I'd be very upset rn. Though again, it would be less of a problem if these triple reruns were consistent because then at least I wouldn't be waiting as long to complete the team. This feels similar to the Chronicled Wish in Genshin, though in that case the banner's value came from the characters being ones that had not gotten reruns in a long time rather than having synergy with one another.
I wonder too if they go forward with the ability for characters to swap elements/paths, then having banners like this could make more sense to have often because we could have electro mommy dot kafka, and then maybe we have a quantum hypercarry type kafka or a follow up one. So then you can rerun kafka 3 times a year but each time is a different path that could be on a larger archetype banner.
The idea of quadruple banner is good as a concept, but the implementation is terrible because in the upcoming banners they overload it with characters that want to be pulled together, so for people who want to build DoT and are f2p, good luck getting BS and Kafka at the same banner. And the same for Feixiao and her team. We have Feixiao+Robin on the same banner, and then Topaz in the second half, which is crazy. It would be much better if they could mix and match characters for different teams, for example Kafka, Blade, Aventurine, so people can pick 1 from the 3 the one that they need to complete their team (or start building), and that's way eventually build a complete and a strong team. Just imagine a new player coming to the game and pulling Kafka, but have no pulls for BS. What he gonna do, pull Topaz next half, that have no synergy with Kafka at all? That is the shifty part that I hate about it.
I'm excited about it overall, if it has a little more consistency/heads up. More reruns is good, and I don't think they should be thought about as "you need these four characters to do this archetype so good luck" as much as "Hey, you might be missing one or two of these, and you can try and grab them." Or that you can just grab a piece or two that will fit in with the rest of your roster. There might be complete BiS teams but all archetypes are function with different substitutions. I get why it can be frustrating if you want multiple characters on the banner, I want Feixiao BS and Robin and will not likely be getting all 3, but even if they break up the banners into multiple archtypes, some people will stil be screwed. Firefly, Black Swan, and Topaz could still upset people because they needed them for different teams since this game STRONGLY encourages you to build multiple types of teams. Whether the banners are single or a triple, it still takes the same number of tickets to pull them, and this method will at least encourage people to either be better at hoarding, or diversify their roster.
I think some of the reason ‘occasionally’ might be so high is how loosely defined it is- it depends a lot on your interpretation! I would assume occasionally meant, like, ‘every other banner’ or every two banners or so. But to someone else, it might mean less, or more. It’s a very open ended answer that could have a lot of meanings.
Quad banner is great if it always quad banner. For comparison in Genshin, Eula is a 1.5 character that got re-run on 2.3. The next re-run is 3.8 (I think it's almost 2 years?), it is one of the longest character to have a re-run. Another bad point? 3.8 is exactly before 4.0 (new region release), where people usually wanted to save up for new meta / character in the new region. Now it is already 5.0 and Eula hasn't got any re-run since. This quad-banner can save the character re-run rotation even if you decide not to pull, because character can be pulled sooner than later. Even as F2P, if you reduce the frequency of the re-run, it doesn't matter if you save if the re-run only happen once every 16 months, you can plan all you want, but will never pull anyway because rotation takes too long. I rather have character got a re-run every 5 months max, rather than giving you a bigger gap but re-run only happen after Hoyo release another game (Yes, gap between Eula banners give enough time for them to release HSR).
@@KingArokh Chronicle banner is a new mechanic, and we don't have that between 2.3 to 3.8. so in context, if you really want her, you already saved for 588 days and there is nothing you can do about it to get Eula. And Eula is just an example, it could happen to any characters later on.
You are assuming that the banner is here to stay which it isn’t They literally said this is an occasional thing and never specified that it’s permanent In GI we always get at least 2 reruns per patch with MOST patches being 3 reruns and a new character In hsr there are always 2 new characters and 2 reruns and this new banner is literally composed of characters that have synergy between them making it virtually impossible to get all of them without spending money or having saved for literal months preparing (which is impossible because people can’t see the future) It’s so much more fomo inducing and predatory than anything else in both HSR and GI
If I'm on a diet and there are 2 dishes on the table - I'd eat one. If there are 4 dishes on the table, I'd still eat just one (the one I like the most). If there are 4 dishes on the table and 3 of those only come every 4-5 months, I'd still eat just one that I like- but I also like the options. That's basically my F2P reasoning.
Bad analogy, u use dishes that u "like" not dishes that u "need". And you didnt even specify the dish as well, Cuz most of the time Dish A need to be consumed together with Dish B to gave something. U also made it as if they ll consistently gave u multiple dish every 5 month.
@@AhaxD-r7g Yeah, because you dont need any of these. Its a strong WANT. "I want A but I also want B because AB works well together". Though A isnt unusable by itself, so is B. You can say its partly cope but some people have been coping with 1.X characters for a long time too. I also just pulled the months out of my ass because I just mentioned an amount of time thats somewhat long but not too long Thats just my very mild feeling on it. Thats all, no offense if that hurt you or anything. Have a nice day.
As a new f2p player I'm already planning on only pulling every 2nd banner (eg I pulled for Argenti, skipped current banners, will pull for Feixiao & Robin & will skip the banners afterwards until I gatcher 100-150 tickets). Having 4 characters on every banner would be brutal because they could put multiple charas I really like one after another. Having 2-3 characters per banner makes it easier to decide when to skip banners if you don't like either chacter
This is why I follow the Honkai Star Rail Leak Scene. I know some would avoid it for spoilers and all but from another perceptive, I would know who would be releasing in future and plan my saves accordingly and this is what I'm actually doing. Graet video and nice to see an objective neutral take on this matter since Hoyo is a company that would care about profit no matter how generous the rewards are.
as i see it having it every patch is the best outcome. if its every other patch or every 3rd patch this is still purely a good thing. if its every 4th patch only then it depends on the characters. if its every year or randomly whenever they feel like it then it could be a problem but honestly even then i'll take it over not having this triple rerun at all. the thing is as the roster keep growing if we don't have any kind of a multi rerun system we would very quickly face the same problem genshin is experiencing rn when some characters haven't had a rerun for more then a year. even if it does happen randomly at the very least it exists, worst case scenario they end up doing it whenever they feel like we would just need to adapt and if we don't have enough jades to pick all the pieces for the team we just pick what we think is the most valuable option for your account and the rest of the pieces can be substituted. also sure right now when there's barely any options for each team archetype it might feel a little bad that they put the only 2 DoT 5* characters at the same time but as the roster keep growing we would eventually get more options for DoT teams (and every other team archetype.) and as long as the team work even if its not *THE* best DoT team it would still work and do what it needs to do. so basically for the short term sure it could sometimes feel a little sneaky but for the long term no matter how they decide to work with the multi rerun systems it would always be better then not having it at all even if it does have its problems. edit: before anybody go and says oh its bad for f2p and low spenders because of whatever reason you think its bad i'm 100% f2p and i don't see much of a problem with this system in the long run, whatever you want to say about how this system could be bad for f2p all i have to say to you is No, as a f2p you need to realize that no matter what you can't pick up all the character you want. whatever they're doing they won't give you enough jades to pull all the characters that are featured in a single patch after all they want you to spend money, what you need to do is just not be greedy and realize that you can't get everything you want in a gacha game so instead you need to think about the characters you like the most or the characters that gives you the most value and pick them. as a f2p you can't expect to be able to pick everything you mildly like you need to be smart about which character you pick and when do you pick said character i get the FOMO but as a f2p you shouldn't let the FOMO get the better of you. edit 2: a reminder that if you want to save your jades for something you don't need to pull on every banner every single patch you can skip some patches again you need to realize that you only pull on the characters you want the most or the characters that gives you the most value at the time this is what the drip marketing is good for (side note do not plan too far ahead at most plan for 2-3 patches in advance every patch they give you enough pulls for 1.5 5* if you plan too far ahead it could get you into a situation when you are just too far behind you need to find the balance between planning ahead and looking at what you need in the moment) also for characters that are yet to be revealed you can always look at how many characters there is in a path/team archetype and when was the last time said path/team archetype got a new character in the roster it could give you some insights about when its worth saving and what is worth saving for without the character needing to be revealed
I actually prefer this, though I did fall for their Ruan Mei, Firefly scheme lol. But I’m more focused on getting who I want now. So I hope this rerun will bring back characters I want to get, since the frequency might increase.
as a vertical investment player, ive been avoiding fua and only been investing into superbreak and hypercarry (currently focusing e1 acheron, planning/considering e2). as with this quadruple banner, robin especially is the prime example of whether or not to pull her or not. admittedly robin has good teams that aren’t just only fua. i have only few examples of teams that i can think of that would be pretty good especially in pf: seele, herta-himeko why pf especially is because my second team can be abit tricky to clear especially if no right weakness break (dhil especially when mine is only s1)
if you think about it it is actually very possible for them to pull an Acheron jiaoqiu bundle considering how Robin and Topaz who had banners in 2.2 rerun as early as 4-5 banners in 2.5 so yeah I’d rather its at least to some extent systemic and not thrown out randomly
I really like it, for now, I do not want any rerun characters, but later on I would like to get copies on my favorites, like Jing Yuan (YES HE IS MY FAVORITE OF ALL TIME), Ruan Mei, Aventurine, Feixiao, Topaz. With this set up, I can just save and even if I miss them, I know they will be back really quick.
The reason most people voted for "Like it(Occasionally)" is likely due to extreme option avoidance bias. The answers were sorted on a scale from love to hate, and people gave an emotional answer - "I like this (more frequent character reruns are good). Not everyone thought of the spending pressure. In addition most players are f2p so they are missing characters regularly anyway. It's better to have more choice then, and v how often matters less.
A bandaid for a broken system. 1st year limited units should start getting rolled into the STANDARD banner. The standard banner should be expanded because over time that banner's base units become less and less valuable and it would keep standard pull tickets having some value.
I think it's a balance, all the time might be overwhelming especially for newer plays who may not know who to go for yet. I think for F2P it doesn't really matter as we've always had to prioritise and make decisions on who to save up for and who we want on the next re-run. It's always been a chance that two characters new and reruns could end up on the same banner. I think maybe more of a schedule so we know it happens at every like idk 4.0/4.5/5 sorta system would be nicer for all the player base rather then it feeling like just marketing plots for money? Juay my thoughts on the whole thing 😅
HSR is my only gacha so Idk how the triple banners is bad or good I have a handful select characters I want, which are: Fu Xuan, Huo Huo, Jiaoqiu, Sparkle, Robin, Acheron The rest I don't really care for. These are ny favorite characters. I got Fu Xuan, Huo Huo, and Jiaoqiu already but I feel like I got a little unlucky... all the characters I wanted are rerunning back to back xD or at least too quickly for me to get enough jades for. I decided to dtop pulling for Sparkle at 56 pity because I heard Robin is better. Gotta start being more selective I guess lol
Making this banner not permanent means that FOMO will be much bigger when it drops than it already is. Idea of it is good but only when it is permanent, otherwise its bad for us but very profitable for Hoyo because most people will open wallets to get either missing character or fully working team.
Even it sucks, Hoyo is gonna try its best to make profit and it's possible that they do make it so they occasionally put out quad banners to farm FOMO. Only thing within our control is to think about what is truly worth pulling. Objectively, pick the character that would be best for you or one you like the best. Make a priority list of what to pull. EX: For me, my roster lacks FUA/ICE/DOT. Priority: 1. FUA Support: (Robin E0S1) Can fit Herta + Hunt March 7th + Any Healer 2. ICE: (DPS unit w/ good AOE/Single DMG from E0S1) Can fit Any 2 Support + Any Healer 3. DOT Key Units: (Kafka/Black Swan) - This is last because I need 2 limited to complete 1 team comp while getting 2 would complete my FUA and ICE teams already. Once I get those, I can pull freely. Maybe getting premium single situation use units. I pity the gambling addicts.
Game analytic is always crucial for any game company. Statistics and how/when/where/what to use those statistics on/in/for/at will always be important. If it takes $700-$900 to pull a character and lightcone to E2S1, and each patch is about 6-8 weeks duration. Then you categorize gamers/players that work and don't have any stable income, that work and have stable income less than $5000 a month, that work and have stable income between $5000-$8000 a month, that don't work at all and the only source of income comes from their parents, and those that don't pay at at all (F2P or true F2P), etc. And just for HSR alone, the company already has >1 year's worth of data from at least 250 million individuals. That is a really large pool that can be put to great use by the company
I want 2 of the reruns and the new unit. These are actually the only 2 reruns I still had on my list. But whether I or not I get them the next patches won’t be less of units that I also want on my account.
I dont understand with people who said "it s fine", or that "you dont have to pull every characters", or " That s why plan your resources" It s as if the problem is went over their head, multiple rerun banner isnt new thing, it s on every gacha, cuz it s inevitable. They had to do it. The problem here is that gow inconsistent and scummy Hoyo did it, the rerun was so random like unit A hadnt rerun for a long time, while unit B just had their rerun recently, byt because new unit C had great synergies wirh B, they put it in the same duckibg phase. YET THEY BAN LEAKS. And since it s random and so inconsistent, the unit that u want might took a longer time to rerun, and as the game went by the pull value of the old unit will go down, regardless their Path. It s also scummy, cuz u might need to only have little time to saved up (MONEY, im talking about money, not jades) then the 2 characters that u need to your team comp run together, and since u cant pull the other unit ur team now become useless, ans had to wait for Hoyo's kniw how long the rerun gonna be.
Just because you're broke as hell that won't make Hoyoverse to be "scummy". lol X'D And leaks are obviously a banned concept for every game in existence, not just Hoyo games. And you can plan out whom you go for. If you want a DoT team then Kafka is the safest bet because she is a core unit for DoT teams, but if you want a regular DPS then Feixiao is for you, or if you want follow-up attack support then Robin is good for you. Obviously Black Swan only should be pulled if you already have Kafka on your account.
You really don't have to pull every character. You really can just "plan resources." No company owes anyone any gacha paradigm. Every paradigm they decide on will please some players and disappoint others. Ultimately, they're a company responsible to shareholders; they're going to go with the 'more revenue' option. And this works best for most normal players who can't afford every new character+old character on a given banner, since it gives them choices. (And the millionaires who play the game can quickly E6 characters they missed, I guess.) I fail to see why more choices is a bad thing. If it were three new banner characters every 40-something days, sure, but we're talking repeats here.
@@augustuslxiii did u guys even read my comment, there s really nothing wrong with multiple rerun banner, every gacha has it. It s how Hoyo did it they intentionally reruning Ruan Mei with FF, now Feixiao with Robin, on the same phase. they tried to make it hard to plan your resources. that s the problem here. I dont mind if they did this multi rerun on every patch, but doing it occasionally and did it by reruning the same character archetype, while didnt slow their pace with new character? it s clear they target low spender to spent more. Aint gonna respond to any reply again after this, im done.
maybe a double totally unrelated rerun(unlike kafka/black swan at the same time or like ruan mei/boothill,chars with synergy)every patch would be good for speed and fomo could possibly be less for ftps/low spenders’ but it will be inevitable that someone somewhere wants both in the reruns for 2 teams so there is no way around tht
i think it is fine to have 4 or 5 units to pick from , it is just that we need more stellar jades ! twice the amount + reduce it from 160 jade to 100 >> or maybe make E0 cost 50% less stellar jades ! that would be the best option really ! then for Edilons cost 160 jades AND THEIR LIGHT CONE COST 80 stellar jades FOR all of them !! since u can only use them for specific units in most cases ! it is unfair that it costs the same amount of jades as a unit !
I like how feixiao's playstyle works and I like the fast paceness of fua, but I currently have none of her premium units such as Robin/Topaz and unless my luck is crazy im not sure I'll be able to get all of them,what do u recommend I do (I have Mei rn as my only 5* support,no dps besides qq,and E6 gallagher) *I have around 70 pulls and 65 pity with 50/50
Occassionally isn't shitty IF it becomes predictable. For example if they settle in to doing quad banners every other month or every three months. If it is ever in any way something you can predict or plan for then it is a good thing for all types of players to just speed up the rotation to have options and get to what you may or may not need for your account faster.
Maybe it would be cool to add the 2 characters you didn’t pick for the rerun banner be added to the failed 50/50 (like if you choose robin, than Kafka and black swan could be put in the failed 50/50 pull)
I think it'll be good in the long run. In Genshin Impact I skipped Nailou last year in.. was it April 2023? I went with Nahida instead and figured I'd grab Nilou on her rerun. She didn't come back until OVER A YEAR LATER! Until July 2024! C'MON HOYO! I basically stopped playing GI for months and months cause I just wasn't interested in any banners anyway since the character I wanted didn't seem to be returning any time soon, and I had other games to occupy my time. A year ago I had no idea that the Archon's ran far more often, otherwise I would have grabbed Nilou and skipped Nahida during that banner. Problem is I got so used to not playing I still hardly touch GI lol. I do rarely, but not often.
I think if things like quadruple banner become something normal it can reduce the fear of missing out because of how fast the characters will be cycled back again in the future.
I think the character being reran for 2nd or 3d time it does not matter now, u should always assume it will be package of supports for the new unit, if they release another triple rerun banner. For example, if they release new DoT unit I guarantee u they will rerun Kafka with it, at least u should except them to do it.
I've never pulled on a rerun banner in HSR and never plan to. I even skipped robin and it doesnt matter to me that much, even though I need ruan mei for ratio and firefly team and robin would solve that, I could just go ratio side 1 acheron side 2, or firefly side 1 and acheron side 2, but never ratio side 1 and firefly side 2. This is completely fine because weakness doesn't matter anymore, Acheron and Firefly solve basically all content except PF. So it's interesting to hear people's thoughts on this, who do pull on reruns. What I wanna know is why people pull on reruns in the first place? I understand pulling if you're new, or took a break, but whats the reason for consistent players to pull on reruns so frequently that this is an issue for them? My perspective is so far outside of this mindset that I really cant understand.
I think whatever we think they will just do it occasionally, when it is most convenient for them, or to say when we have no jades and will be forced to spend like now, they give u whole teams in just one single patch 😅 First I thought it is fine to do it occasionally but seeing the comments I prefer it to be every patch now after I understood the big issue with that banner
This system does not guarantee characters to rerun faster. They rerun characters based on synergy, story relevance, and whether its profitable. Look at genshin they implimented the chronicle banner and it still didnt make reruns faster.
Honestly I feel like the only reason Liyue Chronicled Banner hasn't come out is because they're waiting until Yelan had her 3rd rerun so they can put her in, aka more fomo
@@MrcreeperDXD777 nah liyue chronicle isn't happening, liyue characters r too profitable imo. Yelans too good to be put their, they put characters that fell of the meta real hard.
@@ADDITIONALBREAD that's exactly why theyd put Liyue characters there. You have a chance for Yelan, Shenhe, Hutao, Xiao, etc all in a single banner. Same reasoning for the current quad banner in hsr.
ya fr i think occasionally is actually worse than every patch i would be ok with every patch or every other patch but just occasionally is kinda sketchy
Seeing how this is actually happened before in genshin, then it never happen again anymore. What I'm worrying more about is not the fact that it has 6 banners, but Idk if they will keep doing it or not, if they do it's a good thing, if it's a one time thing like in genshin it's literally the worst thing ever. I know this is not genshit, but MAN, you already had an example, ain't it scary ?
That banner was fine though. It just needs to come back. People were just upset that it showed up with no amusement to save resources for and it was old out of meta characters.
As a F2P from day 1, I already have E0S1 Jing Yuan, DHIL, E0S1 Jingliu, Luocha, Fuxuan, E0S1 Acheron, E0S1 Firefly, E1 Ruan Mei, Topaz and Adventurine. Going to pull for Feixiao. It is do-able.
On this one I lucked out because I already have Robin and don't like the Dot teams, but in the future it might be a problem I don't think is a good idea 😂
Personally I think we should get 6 limited characters per patch. 3 in the 1st half 3 and in the 2nd half. That doesn't mean they have to be new 5stars but it's consistent enough to plan things for reruns.
I...... cant decide if I want to start build towards DoT and FUA comps... I have bits and pieces of both comps, and what this kind of quad banners is making me feel VERY bad... cause alot of them are very good units to have towards this 2 comps I have... so... T-T maybe I will save and ignore ALL the chars in quad banner hahaha, knowing HYV they will introduce some new shiny char after "milking" everyone... Edit/ Basically it sucks if you are a meta player, or player who FOMO easily.. haha
my thoughts are its good if they make it 2-2 characters who do well together like feixiao and robin and black swan and kafka but i think to lower the hate from most players is to give some more pulls when the banner launches like a double gift of odyssey cuz most of the hate is people just not having enough pulls which is fair enough
oh absolutely its "sneaky" its 100 percent CALCULATED cus they know what the community says and does in 'leaks' and know "oh they want the entire team comp to make (X character) work lets put it in the banners for $$$" like they did with Firefly and any peak future DPS archetype. 🤷Just business
I would like it even more if they stop the trend of putting two or more characters that belong to the same meta together, like in 2.2 it was Robin and Topaz, 2.3 it was Firefly and Ruan, and now 2.5 they put Feixao, Robin and Topaz AGAIN, along with Kafka and Black Swan. This means that if you want a full team then you need to pull at least 2 characters in the same patch (or even the same phase), Feixao is good even without Topaz but she really needs Robin from what i saw (i don't know much about her since I'm skipping her, but this is just what i heard) so you should probably pull both of them to make a good team, and if you want DoT?, yeah, you absolutely NEED to pull both Kafka and Black Swan
I voted "occasional is good" but I should clarify since the option isn't there. Reliable but occasional is my ideal. Every patch feels too often for f2p if they won't give , but the core idea of multiple reruns at once is great. Maybe once every other patch is enough?
If mihoyo aren't greedy and preying on people's fomo, they would have put the past 5 stars in standard banner and let you pick which to pull like in ZZZ bangboo banner. Alas, such is the world and reality of humans.
If you can pass end game content but not last floor just skip all of them for 2.7 and 3.1. You are going to get huge power creep character that can last for an entire year. However you may need to c2/s1 them so save your jade is a wise choice.
this quad banner was surprisingly good for me since i have zero interest in building a DOT team but I can definitely see hoyo sending us multiple limited harmony units and screw up all the planned reruns for f2p players.
The only way to counter this quadruple banner and this FOMO feeling is to make a schedule who and which patch will they rerun this character. This way the player now can plan their stellar jade (and their saving) in much better and stable. They don't need to drip marketing the newer character just like the 2.0 livestream. Atleast just give us player a little bit planning before go all out like this. Not all the player like to spend their money(except for those who didn't willingly spend their money or don't have any money or didn't have job like me😅)
You know that goes entirely against what Hoyo wants, right? Hoyo wants us to have FOMO. The more FOMO in the community, the more likely we give them our money.
The problem is that Hoyo doesn't want players to prepare or plan their jade resources. They dont want you to know when a unit will come back so you have Fomo and spend your jades on the current banner instead of saving them for a future banner. They want to keep draining your jades because the less you have the more likely are to buy.
Honestly I completely agree I was thinking it be good if they gave us like a patch are two heads up when they did double banners but that wouldn't force people to open their wallets so I know that's never happening.
This is why I wish there was a CN version of the game like 5 patches ahead than Global. But nothing is ideal i guess
@@ouroboros6738 like r1999?
@@fanboy6156 if u want some charectars u don't need to plan
@@ouroboros6738 you mean like hi3rd?
I'm really glad you mentioned that they have access to data like pulls that are saved. ppl kinda downplay that these companies have TONS of data that shapes their decisions. I think that this is also a way to throw off people who base their pulls on... dreams and visions lol.
I've realized that you should AT LEAST go for the character you want on launch banner b/c the reruns are always so brutal. if you're ok with maybe missing the character you want. that way if you win the 50/50 you win lol. but if you lose, you'll at least have a guarantee to consider for the next character you get.
People truly have no idea how much data and metrics are constantly tracked and analyzed by Mihoyo. They know what everyone is doing, regardless of what people say online or whatever (both in terms of spending, what ingame modes are played more, etc). They aren't making decisions randomly or without any prior data to support their strategy.
@@Riettodamn, does that mean they know about all my shitty builds?, they know about my Pela using 3 star relics?
@@SmashTheAdam They do and now everyone here does too.
@@SmashTheAdam Anyone who knows your mihoyo account user already knows.
Saw this coming, so the Firefly-Ruan Mei same side of the patch run was a test for this. Selling a whole team in one patch.
As a newer player, I mostly love the idea of more frequent reruns. Would have preferredit to be a bit more spread out though, maybe like Feixiao, Robin/Kafka, then Lingsha, Topaz/BS. Would love a DOT team but I desperately want the good follow up team, and I need at least Robin and Feixiao for that.
More frequent rerruns
Pros: more characters in rotation get rerruns quicker
Cons: if you want an archetype, and all of 5he are up, tough luck
If it's gonna be 2 and 2, each up during half the patch then that doesn't really change anything cuz how many pulls can you reasonably accumulate during that time? Ofc there might be extra pulls during second half but it's likely not gonna be enough still.
@@uniwolfgamer1094 if you get supply pass, it is around 20 pull more (daily included). that's quite good.
@@uniwolfgamer1094 To be fair, it would be much better if the 3 reruns were on phase2 because then you obviously will have more jades in your pocket than in phase1.
I miss when a team’s archetypal characters were spaced out sequentially but not simultaneously
I feel like you're absolutely crushing the content creation game. Usually if I have questions I throw them to the Hoyoverse platform and just kinda hope someone answers it. You're changing that up, though! Know that you are appreciated (and I really hope your channel keeps growing as quickly as it is).
I wish it was 2+2 instead of 3+1. That's my only problem with it, feels off that it's uneven lol
1 new character 3 reruns :/ how can it be 1+3
This is specifically to incentivise pulling before community would have information for Tingyun and Sunday kits at the end of second banner.
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Instead of Fexiao + Robin/Kafka/BS and Lingsha + Topaz, they could've done Fexiao + Robin/Kafka and Lingsha + Topaz/BS. Essentially, instead of 3 reruns in the first half and 1 rerun in the second, make it two reruns in both halves.
@@MrsSetsuna101 nah make the f2p suffer (I'm f2p)
I feel like if they just do triple banners every patch, that doesn't saturate the 5 stars too much while also allowing more people more opportunities to get characters faster and be able to save while newer players with more jade income can get the game started even faster, and that allows hoyo to make more money (for their benefits) and it doesn't feel scummy to the point where is just caters to the flavor of the month and selling you teams instead of characters. Imagine a quad banner with Firefly/Lingsha/Ruan Mei/(Limited HMC or smt like that) then you pretty much get the Break starter kit for the low price price of your wallet. That's why consistent triple banners would be a better alternative imo.
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@@haugwen why so mean bro.
@@toast7671 He's definitely projecting lol.
@haugwen this community does not welcome you
If u think u need majority of the charectars as f2p u should immediately quit gachas, its gonna effect ur mental state a lot
The most important thing (if you care about getting max stars in all endgame consistently) is to get 1 DPS of each archetype (break, debuff, and FuA) + 1 limited harmony and 1 limited sustain.
4 stars can fill in any gaps you have, but having these will ensure you never feel you “need” to pull
@@naw613 not anymore because old dps fell off too much
@@jaykayy4268e6 dps never falls though, if you save up enuff pulls you can e6 a dps and never pull again due to their power
@@jaykayy4268 only dps that don’t fall into an “archetype” fell off. Dr Ratio, Topaz, Kafka, Clara and Himeko (just to name a few) are all 1.x units and have aged super well.
If you were to pick up Acheron, Firefly/Boothill, Ratio/Feixiao, or Yunli, you will be set for ages.
The important thing, as I stated, is that they either have follow up attacks, debuffs, or are break DPS. Jingliu and DanIL have none of those
Nah, even in a scarce game like genshin you can totally get 80%+ of the roster (like myself). Even more so if you buy the blessing every month (im just an intern in Brazil and still can buy it comfortably)
Synergetic characters are probably gonna rerun together within the banner, and that is tempting & stressful to most players who enjoy specific core teams. My personal plan is to pick up the key support from said roster, for example Robin in 2.5, and will comeback to the other teammates later on if they're still desirable.
The quad banner isn't the issue. The issue is WHO is on those quad banners.
If the Quad banner had Seele, Jing Yuan, & Silver Wolf to run alongside Feixiao, people wouldn't even blink.
People are upset because they deliberately chose characters they know are well sought after to run alongside Feixiao in an attempt to goad F2Ps into becoming low spenders and get low spenders to spend a bit more.
Even if you make an argument for Robin to come back early because she's Fei's BiS, WHY is BOTH Kafka and Black Swan back already? Hoyo obviously knows what they're doing and so does everyone else.
Black Swan is the oldest character (excluding Dr. Ratio but he’s an exception due to his free event) without their first rerun. She was due to rerun anyway, and delaying her for another patch to balance them out would’ve led Hoyo to throw other units in those slots instead.
I’d say Robin is more egregious for her rerun, being newer than Black Swan by 2 patches, even if she is BiS.
@@eddiemate Black Swan being apart of the lineup is fine. Having Black Swan AND Kafka together is an obvious ploy.
And I definitely don't deny the Robin pick is the most egregious. It's just that there's an argument for it.
There's no argument for having BOTH core DoT members on the same banner, which so happens to run alongside Feixiao.
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Oh I won’t argue that Kafka being there is a ploy, it 100% is. But just like with Robin, Kafka is Black Swan's BiS. She’s good on her own, but Kafka makes her great.
Plus… who else would go on that banner if it wasn’t Kafka? Topaz wouldn’t be appealing enough to run alongside Fei and Robin (no matter how much I love her) plus it’d lead into the same issues of the following characters rerunning. Very few characters have the appeal to run solo, and those that do have already run very recently.
The last options I could see are Acheron, which would take pulls away from Feixiao. Or Aventurine, who would probably be seen as too much by Hoyo, running 3 FuA characters on one banner (and the full team in one patch) plus they’d want to appeal to light spenders by giving people time to get some pulls, then buy the rest when he comes back in 2.6.
@@eddiemate LOL its exactly because Kafka makes her great is why it's so nasty xD
In terms of who could replace Kafka, we've already seen that Hoyo is more than happy to through re-run schedules out the window by bringing back both Robin and Topaz so soon so it could literately be anyone. Seele, Jing Yuan, Blade etc.
I personally don't think the quad banners should be teams packaged in one like we're seeing here. Just make it random 5*s or 5*s that have no real correlation.
The only reason to bundle teams in these banners is to increase sales. And sadly, it will absolutely work. This month's sales is going to be bananas.
@@MrAnime4lyfe
Trust me, I know that’s why it’s nasty. Although Robin was the nasty rerun for me, since I knew Kafka was coming back from leaks, and I was ready to skip Feixiao for the DoT duo… then Robin got announced and I had to flip the entire script.
Anyway, I know that reruns schedules have been thrown out the window with these, I was looking with that in mind. However I genuinely can’t see an older character that is appealing and hasn’t had a run recently. Anything else would be effectively random which would’ve been ideal, but like you said they’re trying to bundle teams now (well id argue it started in 2.2 with Robin/Topaz, but it definitely actually started in 2.3 with Firefly/Ruan Mei) because those are going to sell better.
Can’t wait to see the revenue numbers for this month, it’s going to hurt my soul seeing how well this worked.
Just bring us DDD and Tingyun, and I will believe that Hoyo ain't predatory at all. They've been hiding these two for a long time already, apparently. "The cycle is now faster", then how about the 4-star units and LCs? I don't see "cycle" at all. Hoyo decides on which characters and LCs to put in reruns, and that's why we always see characters that synergizes the best on whoever that unit that is currently debuting... like look at that Fei, then Robin and Topaz on reruns? Topaz?? Robin just got introduced very recently... I believe it was in 2.2, and Topaz, for krayzt sake, just had her rerun on Robin's debut. There's literally no "cycle". They only want money alone, and that's it. It's just greed and mostly predatory. People are too blind and getting brainwashed hard to believe that somehow Hoyo's doing good, that this behaviour of theirs is good.
This is a gacha game sooo yes that is correct hoyo only wants money that's all
Name one Company on this Planet that does not want your money and is "good"
Just enjoy the product and do not fomo every character will return and new good characters will be released
Project Moon
@@Argo257 This is what I've been waiting for. The stupid argument.
@@Sakamoto_1535E3
If people have lack of self control that is on them
Only because a product exist does not mean you have to buy it
Is it that hard to make a priority list?
You can beat this game with characters only at e0 and if you decide to spend money on it the only 2 worthy options are the daily login and the BP thats it
If people really think they need to spend hundreds or thousand of dollars on characters for a game that isn't even hard - that is just stupid
You decide what you do with your money
You decide what you play
If your a unable to just wait guess what it is a you problem
the threat of FOMO is really real with this banner system, before this news i was never really feeling the FOMO in HSR, but with this robin-kafka-black swan banner now im really having to think of who to pull between the 4 characters in first half.
I said fk this and pulled jioqiu lc for my blackswan and spent remaining pulls on jiaqiu banner, now I am 60 pulls In guaranteed.
Now I have no Jades and I am finally at peace ✌.
This fomo really hit me hard in penacony, especially when I needed blackswan- so I had to skip sparkle, skipped aventurine- for acheron,
Now I was going feixiao and robin but banner created a huge fomo which I never ever experienced in Any gacha,
Bro I skipped ruan mei for jade , I didn't feel this feel much fomo ever since.😂
Finally I am free from this bulksh*t banner , will grab robin and go aventurine. 😊
PEACE ✌
That's why we should have 4 banners every patch. Before this patch not a single character has had a second rerun, meaning if you didn't get a character or their LC on their first two banners you might never get them ever. If they do 4 banners every patch, there's a lot less pressure to get the characters you want. They'll be back in a couple months.
there's no FOMO buddy, you will not "miss out" on something that just keeps rerunning
FOMO is for things that do not come back, or that the company tells you initially that will never come back, example: Riot Games several times saying X or Y skins will "never come back", like wave 1 halloween skins, championship riven, prestige skins, etc, just to bring them back later, after they baited people telling them that "this will never come back
@@Hiken_Bakuzan Yeah, most gacha players doesn't know what fomo means. And no one will have fomo if they have a "well i will get it later on one of the reruns" mentality instead of "i need it right now!!!" mentality. :D
@@frost_hugger8225 Ummmm, this "if you didn't get it on the first two then you will never" is not true at all. Hoyo games always bring back limited characters, so you just have to be patient and wait. Even with the old "2 new, 2 rerun" system too.
I think Hoyo is doing this to get people to spend jades heavily, depleting savings prior to some Ruan Mei like character coming soon.
I mean they are rerunning Robin...
Tingyun in 2.7...
I think there is a third aspect to consider with quad banners: scarcity also drives sales. If they do this style of banner with every patch then FOMO would actually reduce, as you can then reliably expect your desired characters to re-run more often than they would otherwise.
But if they only do quad re-runs every so often, then FOMO effectively doubles. The number of posts right now asking for advice on who to pull are irrelevant, because there are whales out there who have already made the decision to pull ALL the characters, and those players are the ones HoYo are most interested in catering for.
If it was minimum, every other patch it'd be fine, or if we, the players, knew that it'd always fall on the same patch (3.5/4.5/5.5, etc), then i think it'd be less of an issue. Them doing it now and the characters they chose is the real problem. Kafka and Topaz getting their 3rd rerun alongside their BiS teammates and Robin beating Silver Wolf and Seele for a rerun feels problematic. If it was Seele, Silver Wolf, Black Swan, and Dr. Ratio, it'd feel a bit fairer. Unit choice is just as important as how often these triple banners return.
Tldr: make sure we request them frequently in the survey so they're not able to use them as fomo bait
I think people are missing the fact that these rerun banners will do almost nothing to F2Ps if they always rerun 2 or 3 synergizing characters together, along with new chars that need them. If you lose 50/50 on one of these, then you'll have to wait for another 3 or more patches, nothing's changed. This is just beneficial to hoyo and whales. Also if they rerun them in the next rerun it would take 3 to 5 months and it will most likely be a trap because newer stronger characters will be released again, so they will do absolutely everything to make it hard to complete a team, to make you buy.
And that is if they implement it each patch, if this is just a once only thing it would make them even more scummy, tell me how 3+1 and 1+1 isn't scummy. And I am not againts multiple rerun at all, in fact I'd really like to get faster rerun, but not in this scummy ways.
Hoyo has always been scummy, just look at genshin impact. Also remember the firefly+ Ruan mei banner? I haven’t forgotten, I only managed to get Firefly. And Firefly without Ruan is absolutely dogshit. Good job hoyo. All of their games are scummy.
Like literally imagine wanting none of them because you don’t care about meta. Those character getting their reruns now means they won’t in the upcoming patches.
Unless they do an ayaka
@@morningstar8501 I literally complained about Firefly and Ruan Mei back then, and people brushed me off, I thought it would drive a lot of players away since it is very disadvantageous to the players. And this specifically one person yelled at me, guess what? They're a whale. Saying they're not going to play the game and wait months to complete a team, and he also added that the company doesn't care about F2Ps, they always care first to the whales. And he's right. Now that it succeeded, no backlash or criticisms, they are doing a more brutal one, for money.
Although I get Hoyo wants to get money easily, as usual, they're a gacha game after all, but since team building in this game is super restrictive, they don't have to do this, as this can be very disadvantageous to F2Ps. Luckily I got both Firefly and Ruan Mei, but that is because I am lucky, and I buy supply passes. Who knows what will happen in the future. Hoyo is manipulative and people are so easily tricked. Don't be stupid and think the game is nice and generous.
Am I missing something? Because the devs never stated that this would be a continuous thing. Like, it’s still basically random. It’s no different from how they used to do it. Now it’s probably worse because it’s more likely they’ll rerun an entire team archetype which forces you to wait again for the next if you’re unable to get all the pieces, especially if you’re new. (Basically a cash grab)
Let's hoping it just like honkai impact 3rd
@@mikazuki9156i did hear hi3rd have something similar, but is it a consistent thing there?
I think the problem is we literally have no idea and everyone is basing their opinions off assumptions. It could be an every other patch thing, it could be a once a year thing, it could never happen again if sales are awful on it.
We don't know if every quadruple banner will be a meta team, or if they will break it up more to throw in a single less popular character to avoid the "no rerun for 2 years" problem, while still making money on the banner by having other good options as well. Or it will make the problem worse.
We just have no idea and won't until we see when and if they do the next one.
Did you not watch the 2.5 Special Program? Owlbert said this: "The Special Warp events will open periodically, giving viewers more opportunities to invite their favourite characters to join the team."
@@TheoDimitry it's so much better there because you're guaranteed to get them and no 50/50. The same 90 pulls, you can choose the meta characters like Herrschers, and etc. As for support you don't need to pull their banners because you can get them using shards. But the catch is majority of the new DPS and supports want their weapons and Stigmata (similiar to relics). The Stigmatas requires gachas to get. Alt F2P stigmas are good most of the time, but the weapons are essential. You need like 60 pulls to get one. Stigmata need like 30 or 60 iirc to get one piece or you can spend 90 and get all 3 if you're lucky.
That was on 2023 idk the situation in the present day
It's quite obvious that Hoyoverse is outright pairing characters with insane synergy together for their newer banners. I managed to get my teams sorted because I started in 1.0 and thus had time to build up my teams and pulls. Even then, I still ended up spending money because I have a 50/50 win rate of 38.46% and would lose in banners that I wanted badly.
Firefly with Ruan Mei's rerun in 2.3, now we have Kafka + her best sub-DPS Black Swan, Feixiao with Robin, who's the best support for FUA, and then a Topaz rerun in the 2nd half. I can already foresee that Aventurine will rerun in 2.6 after everyone has blown all their jades for Feixiao, Robin, and Topaz, and if rumors are to be true, Sunday might be the DoT Harmony unit for Kafka and Black Swan that people have been waiting for and will likely release soon since Kafka and Black Swan's rerun is in 2.5.
Damn I wanted Sunday to be the first male limited harmony
Love the idea of getting reruns of characters more quickly, but im forced to choose between Robin (who would be infinitely better for me since I'm in desperate need of a good 2nd team and have a decent Ratio) and Kafka whom is the whole reason I downloaded the game. I'd be stoked right now if I'd had a month or two to save and get more pulls to guarantee I got her and Swan, but I don't. It'll feel like ass if I have to wait 6+ more months to see them come back, all while resisting the urge to pull for whatever new awesome character comes out.
Yea now if you skip kafka, is a 3rd rerun guaranteed? Is Robin's 2nd rerun guaranteed like with feixiao's first rerun? Do late players starting cuz of old characters (say like starting for topaz lol) have to always play catch up cuz the characters are having their reruns now and no guarantee of 2nd or 3rd rerun?
@@andysabur4966 Please, do not spread misinformation to scare new players. In hoyo games there always will be more than just 1 or 2 reruns for any character. You just need to be patient and wait.
the year is 2030, there are atleast 10 banners active at any one time
you made some good points about why the quadruple banners are a good idea, I like it ^^
If you're f2p, multiple banners is their way to convert you to a spender. You either stay strong or pull out your credit card. If you decide to swipe, you either choose the slow wait of monthly pass for the next eventual rerun or the more expensive shards for immediate gratification.
Hope people stay f2p. This game doesn't worth your money due to how predatory it is.
I think they should extend the duration of the rerun banner to month instead of half and combine topaz rerun with kafka/black swan/ robin rerun
Extending durations is something I can get behind. I wonder if it might even be a better option for them, financially. Not sure.
@@augustuslxiii they probably can, people have more time to gather their life saving🤣
It's bad-the reason people say it's good is because "characters will rerun faster"
But it being occasional means that they wont actually rerun faster and it will probably be used the same way as now, with many characters that you want for a team, in order to maximize spending
Yeah but it will be faster (cause we are still getting reruns) so older characters that arent in “the meta” aren’t forgotten and it ends up being a year plus before you see them again like genshin.
So characters ARE going to be rerunning faster and older characters can be thrown in as well.
Yes they want to maximize spending but no one needs to pull on all banners. I see potential in this way of doing things but having just this one banner isnt a lot to tell us how often it will happen or how they will utilize it.
So tentatively i say its a good idea and promising till we have it show up a few more times to get better data about it.
Maximize spending is on the player side to control.
Re-run banner is something we don't have control of.
So I still think quad banner is better for the rotation. You don't have to pull every re-run banner, but knowing character won't be gone for 1 - 2 years is good for people who are saving.
Example is Eula from Genshin that is gone from 2.3 until 3.8. You can save up all you want, you won't be pulling your desired character until 588 days (that is exactly number of days between Eula re-run).
So imagine Firefly won't got a re-run until 3.8 if they use old rotation like Genshin.
Finally hsr player that can read
The quadraple banner not gonna rerun every patch, its still same shit. They do this so people will spend more in 1 patch to get all necessary unit
Watch them do a quadruple banner on a summon meta with a new giga op summon dps
Isn't it convenient that when black Swan is due for a first rerun, kafka is the very first 2nd rerun. Convenient that with feixiao, Topaz is having her 2nd rerun. Black Swan and Robin having a normal rerun albeit pushed together
"Firefly would've been rerun in late 3.8" No way, there's a pseudo reliable 4-6 patches for first reruns schedule. It's the 2nd reruns that we've been asking for. With the opening of kafka and topaz for 2nd rerun, now the "pattern" for 2nd rerun is "will it sell with current units" which I guess has been done a few times (robin/topaz in 2.2 and ff/rm in 2.3).
Say bye bye if you started late and wanted to try jingyuan Seele blade for aesthetic/non meta reasons lol
I don’t think we should look too deep into this first rerun banner setup since I think Hoyo is just experimenting to gather data. The second time they do this 4-rerun system will tell us much more.
what is most upsetting about this quad banner for me is the fact that has always irked me since Firefly's banner: putting the support of a new character on the same phase as them. and now they're doing it again with Feixiao and Robin. i was planning to grab Feixiao and then saving for Robin's rerun, but that isn't happening.
instead of FOMO, i'm not more convinced that there's no way i'm grabbing Feixiao now and having to wait for Robin's second rerun at god knows when. i'll just focus on grabbing Lingsha for my Firefly team and maybe pull for Blade instead of Feixiao since i already have Jingliu. maybe even grab Rappa to make my Pure Fiction runs not too dependant on Himeko Herta.
IF Robin was together with Lingsha (and Topaz with Feixiao), it would've allowed players to 'lick their wounds' before pulling again, since Topaz has alternatives, albeit much less optimal (March, Moze) while there's no replacing Robin as the support of Follow-Up teams.
the same with Kafka and Black Swan. they should've just place Black Swan on Lingsha's banner instead of just leaving Topaz to Phase 2. this will allow players to pull for Kafka, get back some jades while waiting for Black Swan to arrive, then luck out Black Swan.
the pain is lessened somewhat due to Feixiao casually dropping 1000 jades and the usual 10 free pulls in a patch.
Will EoD respond to comments on a responding to comments video?
Inception was not enough recursion. We need n+1 layers of comments answered.
Anything is a possibility if there is a need
it does suck if you want multiple characters and they rerun together/close to each other especially those that work in the same teams, but in my opinion it's more important that characters are returning for people who want them since we have a lot of 5*s now, and who knows maybe if they implement quad banners somewhat often it'd take the same amount of time for a character to rerun twice compared to the 1 time if there was no quad banner or not as often, but again we don't know if they even will put out quad banners regularly
I personally voted occasional because I think having quadruple banners during 1 character patches are great and should be done for every 2-3 patches or so. I didn't think option 1 was meant to cover regular schedules likes this.
With that said, I've never been a fan of Hoyoverse's character scarcity/FOMO where every single newly released 5* are always limited and I would 1000% rather have them added into the Standard pool instead. We are going to have true limiteds (collabs) coming to HSR. So having everything released now until the collab also being limited just feels extra bad for F2P and low spenders.
I like that we are getting more char reruns so if a character i want isnt there - they’ll have a good chance to come back sooner. I just want consistency. I just wish they gave us more of a heads up since i want feixiao and robin and will definitely not have enough saved to even guarantee one of them with 17 pity + no guarantee. Im going to pay a bit more this patch but i dont want to really go all in to get them. Going to skip the next few patches after this to balance it out 😭
The main thing is that they are most likely trying to get you to spend without making even more 5 stars so players get less annoyed at them
My logic is select 2 play styles. For me it's dot/acheron & break teams. Complete them first then go for other play styles. After I get my acheron to e2 I might go for FUA teams. It seems fun
It's obviously a double-edged sword for new players but for older f2p players it can only be a good thing, waiting for a rerun when you decided to skip, whatever the reason, at release means that your resources where spent somewhere else, as long as you keep playing you're bound to get something, the fomo of wanting to build a full archetype, in this case follow-up, in a single patch seems greedy to me
Obviously a game won't always look out for what is good for people who registered an account yesterday. And there is no "fomo" in Hoyo games because you just need to be patient and wait for the reruns instead of having a "i want it RIGHT NOW!!!!!!" mentality. And this patch won't make them greedy just because you personally can't go for all banners as an f2p.
Love seeing you use a camera now.
That smile uplifts the vibe big time 👏🏽
The best thing you can do to try to manage your jades efficiently is to pull meta supports and a couple sustain. With this youll have the foundation for most team comps. After that you can choose main DPS and niche supports for your favorites.
Tower of Fantasy has many characters. They get around this by regularly running a selectable banner with many characters of the roster. I like it as a new player as i get to build a team i like without waiting and getting bored for 2 years to get a team.
I would like it if it was somewhat predictable when they do the four banners as well as not having it related into the new character that everybody wants to pull. A FUA power house people would feel pressured to pull and then robin and topaz in the same close window seems ott
This 100%. If the multi banners came consistently every patch then both new and older players would have to wait less time for reruns. It might be a little overwhelming for new players, but on the flip side, if they've joined the game for a specific character they wouldn't have to wait as long for their rerun. The fact that it's only popping up in one half (instead of, say, moving one of the characters between the first and second halves) and that they're going straight from one rerun to three WITHOUT committing to it every patch is just really dirty. They're going to have the FOMO that comes with only having 2 reruns per patch (making players wait a LONG time for the character they want) while also encouraging people to spend spontaneously when all of their favorite/wanted units suddenly rerun together, especially if the units they rerun together in these triple banners have synergy with each other. I have never spent on HoYo games and I never plan to so overall this is probably better for me, but I can sense some people being taken advantage of by this system.
I'm just glad that, as a Kafka main, I joined all the way back in 1.0 and I got Kafka in 1.2 and Black Swan in 2.0. If I had joined in 2.1 and saved for Kafka until 2.5, only to discover that she's rerunning with her favorite teammate and I haven't saved enough for both, I'd be very upset rn. Though again, it would be less of a problem if these triple reruns were consistent because then at least I wouldn't be waiting as long to complete the team. This feels similar to the Chronicled Wish in Genshin, though in that case the banner's value came from the characters being ones that had not gotten reruns in a long time rather than having synergy with one another.
I wonder too if they go forward with the ability for characters to swap elements/paths, then having banners like this could make more sense to have often because we could have electro mommy dot kafka, and then maybe we have a quantum hypercarry type kafka or a follow up one. So then you can rerun kafka 3 times a year but each time is a different path that could be on a larger archetype banner.
The idea of quadruple banner is good as a concept, but the implementation is terrible because in the upcoming banners they overload it with characters that want to be pulled together, so for people who want to build DoT and are f2p, good luck getting BS and Kafka at the same banner.
And the same for Feixiao and her team. We have Feixiao+Robin on the same banner, and then Topaz in the second half, which is crazy.
It would be much better if they could mix and match characters for different teams, for example Kafka, Blade, Aventurine, so people can pick 1 from the 3 the one that they need to complete their team (or start building), and that's way eventually build a complete and a strong team.
Just imagine a new player coming to the game and pulling Kafka, but have no pulls for BS. What he gonna do, pull Topaz next half, that have no synergy with Kafka at all? That is the shifty part that I hate about it.
I personally am fine with it occasionally like maybe every big update but not every patch that would just be too much for F2P players to handle.
They should just add older banner characters to the general pool tbh.
I'm excited about it overall, if it has a little more consistency/heads up. More reruns is good, and I don't think they should be thought about as "you need these four characters to do this archetype so good luck" as much as "Hey, you might be missing one or two of these, and you can try and grab them." Or that you can just grab a piece or two that will fit in with the rest of your roster. There might be complete BiS teams but all archetypes are function with different substitutions. I get why it can be frustrating if you want multiple characters on the banner, I want Feixiao BS and Robin and will not likely be getting all 3, but even if they break up the banners into multiple archtypes, some people will stil be screwed. Firefly, Black Swan, and Topaz could still upset people because they needed them for different teams since this game STRONGLY encourages you to build multiple types of teams.
Whether the banners are single or a triple, it still takes the same number of tickets to pull them, and this method will at least encourage people to either be better at hoarding, or diversify their roster.
I think some of the reason ‘occasionally’ might be so high is how loosely defined it is- it depends a lot on your interpretation! I would assume occasionally meant, like, ‘every other banner’ or every two banners or so. But to someone else, it might mean less, or more. It’s a very open ended answer that could have a lot of meanings.
Quad banner is great if it always quad banner.
For comparison in Genshin, Eula is a 1.5 character that got re-run on 2.3. The next re-run is 3.8 (I think it's almost 2 years?), it is one of the longest character to have a re-run.
Another bad point? 3.8 is exactly before 4.0 (new region release), where people usually wanted to save up for new meta / character in the new region.
Now it is already 5.0 and Eula hasn't got any re-run since.
This quad-banner can save the character re-run rotation even if you decide not to pull, because character can be pulled sooner than later.
Even as F2P, if you reduce the frequency of the re-run, it doesn't matter if you save if the re-run only happen once every 16 months, you can plan all you want, but will never pull anyway because rotation takes too long.
I rather have character got a re-run every 5 months max, rather than giving you a bigger gap but re-run only happen after Hoyo release another game (Yes, gap between Eula banners give enough time for them to release HSR).
Eula was obtainable in patch 4.5 with the chronicle wish banner but Shenhe is in a similar situation rn.
@@KingArokh Chronicle banner is a new mechanic, and we don't have that between 2.3 to 3.8. so in context, if you really want her, you already saved for 588 days and there is nothing you can do about it to get Eula.
And Eula is just an example, it could happen to any characters later on.
You are assuming that the banner is here to stay which it isn’t
They literally said this is an occasional thing and never specified that it’s permanent
In GI we always get at least 2 reruns per patch with MOST patches being 3 reruns and a new character
In hsr there are always 2 new characters and 2 reruns and this new banner is literally composed of characters that have synergy between them making it virtually impossible to get all of them without spending money or having saved for literal months preparing (which is impossible because people can’t see the future)
It’s so much more fomo inducing and predatory than anything else in both HSR and GI
@@rozee8516 you don't need to get all of them, my point is how this rotation still better rather than having character in a limbo for months and years
If I'm on a diet and there are 2 dishes on the table - I'd eat one. If there are 4 dishes on the table, I'd still eat just one (the one I like the most). If there are 4 dishes on the table and 3 of those only come every 4-5 months, I'd still eat just one that I like- but I also like the options.
That's basically my F2P reasoning.
Bad analogy, u use dishes that u "like" not dishes that u "need". And you didnt even specify the dish as well,
Cuz most of the time Dish A need to be consumed together with Dish B to gave something.
U also made it as if they ll consistently gave u multiple dish every 5 month.
@@AhaxD-r7g Yeah, because you dont need any of these. Its a strong WANT. "I want A but I also want B because AB works well together". Though A isnt unusable by itself, so is B. You can say its partly cope but some people have been coping with 1.X characters for a long time too.
I also just pulled the months out of my ass because I just mentioned an amount of time thats somewhat long but not too long
Thats just my very mild feeling on it. Thats all, no offense if that hurt you or anything. Have a nice day.
As a new f2p player I'm already planning on only pulling every 2nd banner (eg I pulled for Argenti, skipped current banners, will pull for Feixiao & Robin & will skip the banners afterwards until I gatcher 100-150 tickets). Having 4 characters on every banner would be brutal because they could put multiple charas I really like one after another. Having 2-3 characters per banner makes it easier to decide when to skip banners if you don't like either chacter
This is why I follow the Honkai Star Rail Leak Scene. I know some would avoid it for spoilers and all but from another perceptive, I would know who would be releasing in future and plan my saves accordingly and this is what I'm actually doing.
Graet video and nice to see an objective neutral take on this matter since Hoyo is a company that would care about profit no matter how generous the rewards are.
Doesn't matter cause i dont expect to get every charectar f2p
as i see it having it every patch is the best outcome. if its every other patch or every 3rd patch this is still purely a good thing. if its every 4th patch only then it depends on the characters. if its every year or randomly whenever they feel like it then it could be a problem but honestly even then i'll take it over not having this triple rerun at all.
the thing is as the roster keep growing if we don't have any kind of a multi rerun system we would very quickly face the same problem genshin is experiencing rn when some characters haven't had a rerun for more then a year. even if it does happen randomly at the very least it exists, worst case scenario they end up doing it whenever they feel like we would just need to adapt and if we don't have enough jades to pick all the pieces for the team we just pick what we think is the most valuable option for your account and the rest of the pieces can be substituted.
also sure right now when there's barely any options for each team archetype it might feel a little bad that they put the only 2 DoT 5* characters at the same time but as the roster keep growing we would eventually get more options for DoT teams (and every other team archetype.) and as long as the team work even if its not *THE* best DoT team it would still work and do what it needs to do. so basically for the short term sure it could sometimes feel a little sneaky but for the long term no matter how they decide to work with the multi rerun systems it would always be better then not having it at all even if it does have its problems.
edit: before anybody go and says oh its bad for f2p and low spenders because of whatever reason you think its bad i'm 100% f2p and i don't see much of a problem with this system in the long run, whatever you want to say about how this system could be bad for f2p all i have to say to you is No, as a f2p you need to realize that no matter what you can't pick up all the character you want. whatever they're doing they won't give you enough jades to pull all the characters that are featured in a single patch after all they want you to spend money, what you need to do is just not be greedy and realize that you can't get everything you want in a gacha game so instead you need to think about the characters you like the most or the characters that gives you the most value and pick them. as a f2p you can't expect to be able to pick everything you mildly like you need to be smart about which character you pick and when do you pick said character i get the FOMO but as a f2p you shouldn't let the FOMO get the better of you.
edit 2: a reminder that if you want to save your jades for something you don't need to pull on every banner every single patch you can skip some patches again you need to realize that you only pull on the characters you want the most or the characters that gives you the most value at the time this is what the drip marketing is good for (side note do not plan too far ahead at most plan for 2-3 patches in advance every patch they give you enough pulls for 1.5 5* if you plan too far ahead it could get you into a situation when you are just too far behind you need to find the balance between planning ahead and looking at what you need in the moment) also for characters that are yet to be revealed you can always look at how many characters there is in a path/team archetype and when was the last time said path/team archetype got a new character in the roster it could give you some insights about when its worth saving and what is worth saving for without the character needing to be revealed
I actually prefer this, though I did fall for their Ruan Mei, Firefly scheme lol. But I’m more focused on getting who I want now. So I hope this rerun will bring back characters I want to get, since the frequency might increase.
I started playing in 2.0 so i have a follow up team a i wanted to do a dot team because i like it a lot, but i guess i'm cooked
as a vertical investment player, ive been avoiding fua and only been investing into superbreak and hypercarry (currently focusing e1 acheron, planning/considering e2).
as with this quadruple banner, robin especially is the prime example of whether or not to pull her or not. admittedly robin has good teams that aren’t just only fua. i have only few examples of teams that i can think of that would be pretty good especially in pf: seele, herta-himeko
why pf especially is because my second team can be abit tricky to clear especially if no right weakness break (dhil especially when mine is only s1)
if you think about it it is actually very possible for them to pull an Acheron jiaoqiu bundle considering how Robin and Topaz who had banners in 2.2 rerun as early as 4-5 banners in 2.5 so yeah I’d rather its at least to some extent systemic and not thrown out randomly
I really like it, for now, I do not want any rerun characters, but later on I would like to get copies on my favorites, like Jing Yuan (YES HE IS MY FAVORITE OF ALL TIME), Ruan Mei, Aventurine, Feixiao, Topaz. With this set up, I can just save and even if I miss them, I know they will be back really quick.
Thats not sneaky thats predatory
The reason most people voted for "Like it(Occasionally)" is likely due to extreme option avoidance bias. The answers were sorted on a scale from love to hate, and people gave an emotional answer - "I like this (more frequent character reruns are good). Not everyone thought of the spending pressure. In addition most players are f2p so they are missing characters regularly anyway. It's better to have more choice then, and v how often matters less.
glad to see your face !
A bandaid for a broken system. 1st year limited units should start getting rolled into the STANDARD banner. The standard banner should be expanded because over time that banner's base units become less and less valuable and it would keep standard pull tickets having some value.
I think it's a balance, all the time might be overwhelming especially for newer plays who may not know who to go for yet. I think for F2P it doesn't really matter as we've always had to prioritise and make decisions on who to save up for and who we want on the next re-run. It's always been a chance that two characters new and reruns could end up on the same banner.
I think maybe more of a schedule so we know it happens at every like idk 4.0/4.5/5 sorta system would be nicer for all the player base rather then it feeling like just marketing plots for money?
Juay my thoughts on the whole thing 😅
HSR is my only gacha so Idk how the triple banners is bad or good
I have a handful select characters I want, which are: Fu Xuan, Huo Huo, Jiaoqiu, Sparkle, Robin, Acheron
The rest I don't really care for. These are ny favorite characters. I got Fu Xuan, Huo Huo, and Jiaoqiu already but I feel like I got a little unlucky... all the characters I wanted are rerunning back to back xD or at least too quickly for me to get enough jades for. I decided to dtop pulling for Sparkle at 56 pity because I heard Robin is better. Gotta start being more selective I guess lol
Making this banner not permanent means that FOMO will be much bigger when it drops than it already is. Idea of it is good but only when it is permanent, otherwise its bad for us but very profitable for Hoyo because most people will open wallets to get either missing character or fully working team.
Even it sucks, Hoyo is gonna try its best to make profit and it's possible that they do make it so they occasionally put out quad banners to farm FOMO.
Only thing within our control is to think about what is truly worth pulling. Objectively, pick the character that would be best for you or one you like the best.
Make a priority list of what to pull.
EX: For me, my roster lacks FUA/ICE/DOT.
Priority:
1. FUA Support: (Robin E0S1) Can fit Herta + Hunt March 7th + Any Healer
2. ICE: (DPS unit w/ good AOE/Single DMG from E0S1) Can fit Any 2 Support + Any Healer
3. DOT Key Units: (Kafka/Black Swan) - This is last because I need 2 limited to complete 1 team comp while getting 2 would complete my FUA and ICE teams already.
Once I get those, I can pull freely. Maybe getting premium single situation use units.
I pity the gambling addicts.
Game analytic is always crucial for any game company. Statistics and how/when/where/what to use those statistics on/in/for/at will always be important. If it takes $700-$900 to pull a character and lightcone to E2S1, and each patch is about 6-8 weeks duration. Then you categorize gamers/players that work and don't have any stable income, that work and have stable income less than $5000 a month, that work and have stable income between $5000-$8000 a month, that don't work at all and the only source of income comes from their parents, and those that don't pay at at all (F2P or true F2P), etc. And just for HSR alone, the company already has >1 year's worth of data from at least 250 million individuals. That is a really large pool that can be put to great use by the company
I want 2 of the reruns and the new unit. These are actually the only 2 reruns I still had on my list. But whether I or not I get them the next patches won’t be less of units that I also want on my account.
If it's a regular thing, I think they should try to add additional 4*s to the banner. Where Yukong
I dont understand with people who said "it s fine", or that "you dont have to pull every characters", or " That s why plan your resources"
It s as if the problem is went over their head, multiple rerun banner isnt new thing, it s on every gacha, cuz it s inevitable. They had to do it.
The problem here is that gow inconsistent and scummy Hoyo did it, the rerun was so random like unit A hadnt rerun for a long time, while unit B just had their rerun recently, byt because new unit C had great synergies wirh B, they put it in the same duckibg phase. YET THEY BAN LEAKS. And since it s random and so inconsistent, the unit that u want might took a longer time to rerun, and as the game went by the pull value of the old unit will go down, regardless their Path.
It s also scummy, cuz u might need to only have little time to saved up (MONEY, im talking about money, not jades) then the 2 characters that u need to your team comp run together, and since u cant pull the other unit ur team now become useless, ans had to wait for Hoyo's kniw how long the rerun gonna be.
Just because you're broke as hell that won't make Hoyoverse to be "scummy". lol X'D
And leaks are obviously a banned concept for every game in existence, not just Hoyo games.
And you can plan out whom you go for. If you want a DoT team then Kafka is the safest bet because she is a core unit for DoT teams, but if you want a regular DPS then Feixiao is for you, or if you want follow-up attack support then Robin is good for you. Obviously Black Swan only should be pulled if you already have Kafka on your account.
You really don't have to pull every character.
You really can just "plan resources."
No company owes anyone any gacha paradigm. Every paradigm they decide on will please some players and disappoint others. Ultimately, they're a company responsible to shareholders; they're going to go with the 'more revenue' option. And this works best for most normal players who can't afford every new character+old character on a given banner, since it gives them choices. (And the millionaires who play the game can quickly E6 characters they missed, I guess.)
I fail to see why more choices is a bad thing. If it were three new banner characters every 40-something days, sure, but we're talking repeats here.
@@augustuslxiii did u guys even read my comment, there s really nothing wrong with multiple rerun banner, every gacha has it.
It s how Hoyo did it they intentionally reruning Ruan Mei with FF, now Feixiao with Robin, on the same phase.
they tried to make it hard to plan your resources. that s the problem here. I dont mind if they did this multi rerun on every patch, but doing it occasionally and did it by reruning the same character archetype, while didnt slow their pace with new character? it s clear they target low spender to spent more. Aint gonna respond to any reply again after this, im done.
@@AhaxD-r7g Noooo, come back for some reason....
You speak my mind.
maybe a double totally unrelated rerun(unlike kafka/black swan at the same time or like ruan mei/boothill,chars with synergy)every patch would be good for speed and fomo could possibly be less for ftps/low spenders’ but it will be inevitable that someone somewhere wants both in the reruns for 2 teams so there is no way around tht
i think it is fine to have 4 or 5 units to pick from , it is just that we need more stellar jades ! twice the amount + reduce it from 160 jade to 100 >> or maybe make E0 cost 50% less stellar jades ! that would be the best option really ! then for Edilons cost 160 jades AND THEIR LIGHT CONE COST 80 stellar jades FOR all of them !! since u can only use them for specific units in most cases ! it is unfair that it costs the same amount of jades as a unit !
I like how feixiao's playstyle works and I like the fast paceness of fua, but I currently have none of her premium units such as Robin/Topaz and unless my luck is crazy im not sure I'll be able to get all of them,what do u recommend I do (I have Mei rn as my only 5* support,no dps besides qq,and E6 gallagher)
*I have around 70 pulls and 65 pity with 50/50
Occassionally isn't shitty IF it becomes predictable. For example if they settle in to doing quad banners every other month or every three months. If it is ever in any way something you can predict or plan for then it is a good thing for all types of players to just speed up the rotation to have options and get to what you may or may not need for your account faster.
Maybe it would be cool to add the 2 characters you didn’t pick for the rerun banner be added to the failed 50/50 (like if you choose robin, than Kafka and black swan could be put in the failed 50/50 pull)
I think it'll be good in the long run. In Genshin Impact I skipped Nailou last year in.. was it April 2023? I went with Nahida instead and figured I'd grab Nilou on her rerun. She didn't come back until OVER A YEAR LATER! Until July 2024! C'MON HOYO! I basically stopped playing GI for months and months cause I just wasn't interested in any banners anyway since the character I wanted didn't seem to be returning any time soon, and I had other games to occupy my time. A year ago I had no idea that the Archon's ran far more often, otherwise I would have grabbed Nilou and skipped Nahida during that banner. Problem is I got so used to not playing I still hardly touch GI lol. I do rarely, but not often.
HAHA jokes on you Hoyo I have 300+ pulls ready for Feixiao and Robin and Feixiao's sig
I think if things like quadruple banner become something normal it can reduce the fear of missing out because of how fast the characters will be cycled back again in the future.
I think the character being reran for 2nd or 3d time it does not matter now, u should always assume it will be package of supports for the new unit, if they release another triple rerun banner. For example, if they release new DoT unit I guarantee u they will rerun Kafka with it, at least u should except them to do it.
As an f2p, I believe this system is only gud if it's done every patch.
If it's done once every 3 or 4 patches, then it's just a cashgrab in my eyes
I've never pulled on a rerun banner in HSR and never plan to. I even skipped robin and it doesnt matter to me that much, even though I need ruan mei for ratio and firefly team and robin would solve that, I could just go ratio side 1 acheron side 2, or firefly side 1 and acheron side 2, but never ratio side 1 and firefly side 2. This is completely fine because weakness doesn't matter anymore, Acheron and Firefly solve basically all content except PF.
So it's interesting to hear people's thoughts on this, who do pull on reruns.
What I wanna know is why people pull on reruns in the first place? I understand pulling if you're new, or took a break, but whats the reason for consistent players to pull on reruns so frequently that this is an issue for them? My perspective is so far outside of this mindset that I really cant understand.
I think whatever we think they will just do it occasionally, when it is most convenient for them, or to say when we have no jades and will be forced to spend like now, they give u whole teams in just one single patch 😅
First I thought it is fine to do it occasionally but seeing the comments I prefer it to be every patch now after I understood the big issue with that banner
This system does not guarantee characters to rerun faster. They rerun characters based on synergy, story relevance, and whether its profitable. Look at genshin they implimented the chronicle banner and it still didnt make reruns faster.
Honestly I feel like the only reason Liyue Chronicled Banner hasn't come out is because they're waiting until Yelan had her 3rd rerun so they can put her in, aka more fomo
@@MrcreeperDXD777 nah liyue chronicle isn't happening, liyue characters r too profitable imo. Yelans too good to be put their, they put characters that fell of the meta real hard.
@@ADDITIONALBREAD that's exactly why theyd put Liyue characters there. You have a chance for Yelan, Shenhe, Hutao, Xiao, etc all in a single banner. Same reasoning for the current quad banner in hsr.
ya fr i think occasionally is actually worse than every patch i would be ok with every patch or every other patch but just occasionally is kinda sketchy
Seeing how this is actually happened before in genshin, then it never happen again anymore. What I'm worrying more about is not the fact that it has 6 banners, but Idk if they will keep doing it or not, if they do it's a good thing, if it's a one time thing like in genshin it's literally the worst thing ever. I know this is not genshit, but MAN, you already had an example, ain't it scary ?
That banner was fine though. It just needs to come back. People were just upset that it showed up with no amusement to save resources for and it was old out of meta characters.
As a F2P from day 1, I already have E0S1 Jing Yuan, DHIL, E0S1 Jingliu, Luocha, Fuxuan, E0S1 Acheron, E0S1 Firefly, E1 Ruan Mei, Topaz and Adventurine. Going to pull for Feixiao. It is do-able.
On this one I lucked out because I already have Robin and don't like the Dot teams, but in the future it might be a problem I don't think is a good idea 😂
Personally I think we should get 6 limited characters per patch. 3 in the 1st half 3 and in the 2nd half.
That doesn't mean they have to be new 5stars but it's consistent enough to plan things for reruns.
I...... cant decide if I want to start build towards DoT and FUA comps... I have bits and pieces of both comps, and what this kind of quad banners is making me feel VERY bad... cause alot of them are very good units to have towards this 2 comps I have... so... T-T maybe I will save and ignore ALL the chars in quad banner hahaha, knowing HYV they will introduce some new shiny char after "milking" everyone...
Edit/ Basically it sucks if you are a meta player, or player who FOMO easily.. haha
Its good cuz it brings back the characters we want sooner and if they come evrey other patch its enough to pull for them
my thoughts are its good if they make it 2-2 characters who do well together like feixiao and robin and black swan and kafka but i think to lower the hate from most players is to give some more pulls when the banner launches like a double gift of odyssey cuz most of the hate is people just not having enough pulls which is fair enough
oh absolutely its "sneaky" its 100 percent CALCULATED cus they know what the community says and does in 'leaks' and know "oh they want the entire team comp to make (X character) work lets put it in the banners for $$$" like they did with Firefly and any peak future DPS archetype. 🤷Just business
I would like it even more if they stop the trend of putting two or more characters that belong to the same meta together, like in 2.2 it was Robin and Topaz, 2.3 it was Firefly and Ruan, and now 2.5 they put Feixao, Robin and Topaz AGAIN, along with Kafka and Black Swan.
This means that if you want a full team then you need to pull at least 2 characters in the same patch (or even the same phase), Feixao is good even without Topaz but she really needs Robin from what i saw (i don't know much about her since I'm skipping her, but this is just what i heard) so you should probably pull both of them to make a good team, and if you want DoT?, yeah, you absolutely NEED to pull both Kafka and Black Swan
I voted "occasional is good" but I should clarify since the option isn't there. Reliable but occasional is my ideal. Every patch feels too often for f2p if they won't give , but the core idea of multiple reruns at once is great. Maybe once every other patch is enough?
If mihoyo aren't greedy and preying on people's fomo, they would have put the past 5 stars in standard banner and let you pick which to pull like in ZZZ bangboo banner. Alas, such is the world and reality of humans.
If you can pass end game content but not last floor just skip all of them for 2.7 and 3.1. You are going to get huge power creep character that can last for an entire year. However you may need to c2/s1 them so save your jade is a wise choice.
you look way younger than i assumed you were
this quad banner was surprisingly good for me since i have zero interest in building a DOT team but I can definitely see hoyo sending us multiple limited harmony units and screw up all the planned reruns for f2p players.
hope they update the standard banner(and reset the 300 selector and retroactively add the tally you spent past 300)
Quadruple Banners are VERY good for everyone, we get 2x20 stellar jades for testing out the 2 extra 5-star characters!
I hope this is a joke. Cant tell cuase it is in writing
The only way to counter this quadruple banner and this FOMO feeling is to make a schedule who and which patch will they rerun this character. This way the player now can plan their stellar jade (and their saving) in much better and stable. They don't need to drip marketing the newer character just like the 2.0 livestream. Atleast just give us player a little bit planning before go all out like this. Not all the player like to spend their money(except for those who didn't willingly spend their money or don't have any money or didn't have job like me😅)
You know that goes entirely against what Hoyo wants, right? Hoyo wants us to have FOMO. The more FOMO in the community, the more likely we give them our money.
that's why leaks are a must in gacha games