well while i love Honkai impact played it since start of the game and all the thing is part 1 to me was the end after that while i enjoy getting the lore told to me by distinct people i dont like how part 1.5 and part 2 tell the story nor how it goes :/
*slams table frantically* I shall play Honkai Impact 3rd until every story is told and every corner of the lore has been explained and fed into my brain even if it is the last thing I will do
Interestingly, there are studios out there that keep their games alive if they are actually dead and not "dead by random internet metric" so I think it's pretty safe to assume a passion project like the Honkai series will be around for as long as it is feasible regardless of profit metrics.
After building a Vita team and after coming back to HI3 since 6.4, I can't state enough just how much better the new gacha is compared to part 1. I've felt an increasing amount of frustration from missing any newest and greatest units actively punishing me for it, especially their gear, so I'm just glad that they streamlined the experience and cut down the spending by well over half. If anything, I actually actively prefer the new weapon banners as well, cutting out the bait drops in favor of keeping things simple. It also reassures me that any 4★ gear I get is what I want, and for a low spender every single drop matters. While the P2 teams are undeniably way stronger than P1 teams to the point of almost complete obsolescence, I appreciate how little you have to invest in the grand scheme of things because of the way each Valkyrie supports each other. It offsets the powercreep substantially as well, making weathers easier to cover overall. It is comforting to know that my Valkyries will remain relevant because of their sheer versatility even a year or two down the line.
Thelema will easily be meta until we have another timestop valkyrie, and even then I doubt she’d fall out of meta and instead will remain 2nd best. Longevity is looking way better for these new valks compared to some P1’s.
in regards to the gacha oftentimes people overexagerate the so called "power creep" anyways, or how much you have to pull to stay "competitive" here, if you are in CN, sure, you are doomed, followed by SEA which is very competitive, but not as much, and then if you are in NA or EU, its super chill Im in NA, and i personally have held for ages in RL (can go up to Nirvana if i want, but 20 crystal isnt worth the balding, i accidentally promoted with Vita tho), and i didnt pull any part 2 valks until Sonque, and now Vita, and lets be real, Sonque without part 2 supps can't even use AR, i had to use her with Seele+Promy, and still retained RL all the time As for MA, under same conditions, i always retained 2% Rank, which further proves the point Old Valks aren't really that "obsolete", even in an era where brackets are full of part 2 teams
@@Hiken_Bakuzan During my time playing in late P1, I struggled keeping up with abyss because of obnoxious gimmicks or not having the full team slots, and when I was in RL I rapidly bounced back to A3 because I didn't have the correct valks, and the game was strict on them. This aggravated my frustrations way more. Not only is there pressure to build 4 teams, but you also need to readily replace any old Valkyrie with a new one to fit a gimmick in particular to keep up. Part 2 cuts down that spending quite substantially from what I can tell.
@@felixryan9798 That's exactly what I was talking about. Even then, she may or may not be a good support to use in other teams too, so she has a role to fall back on in case she ever gets crept. Hell, what if the new valk uses the old valk in their team? That's what ended up happening to Kiana, to an extent.
A certain gaming CEO once said "I think as long as you survive, that's enough right? Love yourself along with the players, love the game and love your own team" it applies to every game you enjoy and love gacha or not
I find it hilarious that some toxic hoyobots label WuWa as "dead". Like bruh, it is 1 of the only 3 gacha games that has ever reached 10M downloads on TapTap. If WuWa is "dead", this means 80% of the gachas on the revenue chart are "dead"🙄
I just roll my eyes and ignore those posts, they're made by players who never liked the game to begin with and try to justify quitting the game for one reason or another with the game being dead, you see that in every game community not just HI3rd, the issue isn't them being like that, it's those that might want to try the game reading those type of posts.
Doomposter really is the bane of getting new player to play the game. There's a reason why i recommend people to go straight to the official discord because there are less of those people there
@@DrownThySelf Yea, I used to comfortably maintain Agony 3 in abyss even with half built teams. I dropped down to Agony 2 since early Part 2 and only got back up with Vita 😭
@@GABiHatchiiwa Nearly, the same. My previous cycle was: Top Agony III; get sent to Redlotus; get low scores twice; get sent back Agony III. Now I don't get top in A3 anymore and just get around 9th place and below and sometimes get sent to A2. 650 points against Existentialism shouldn't be 13th place... but I was 13th place for that. Damn, SEA. It's either we lost all the casuals and are left with the competitives; every is overpowered with Part 2 comps; or I've gotten significantly worse (I'm thinking it's the last one). Regardless... pain.
@@DrownThySelf Because it's a lot easier to get valk 4/4 now, due to the new gacha system. Like I used to only see 3-4 players with the latest valk 4/4 in RL. Now it's almost half of the bracket. For Vita, almost my full bracket had her 4/4.
Everybody said Hi3 dead since last 2 years and still alive until now😂 Just like Hi3 and PGR, both still alive even everybody said it's a dead games Meanwhile new games nowdays not even live more than 1 or 2 years 🤣
Not the mentions the amount of upcoming collaboration with Hi3 with HSR which connected the the two universe and validated Welt character in HSR(For those who never look up or know about welt origin). Not to mention PGR is having collaboration with DMC5. I'm sure HI3 and PGR are doing just fine.
@@RueRose-rq6ps it's not dead, but "doing just fine" is lying to yourself. Losing half of revenue in just a year to the point part 2 S-rank releases net less profit than many part 1 A-ranks... Yep, that's anything but "doing fine". Still not enough to kill it. But also not enough to make the devs roll back some of the more retarded decisions like S-ranks every update.
I stand on the fact that none of the other hoyo games would be around with Hi3. It crawled, walked, and ran so HSR and genshin could get become what they are.
@@SpultoBNMTheMutuallyUnrequited Thats true, but the reason why HI3 is the one being preached more is cause it's the game that brought them out of bankruptcy.
As a player that never played Honkai due to storage issues I have been deep into the lore of the game I’ll keep waiting until more is released, since there is so much I want to know about HI3 it’s just weird on why people hate on a game just because it’s old or it’s too much for new players
@@TheNamelessKaslana btw what is you level of excitement for the up and coming collab, out of 100. im 85/100 in excitement rn, the 15 is because i have other things to do irl so its lessening my lvl of excitement and is giving me stress. but im so ready for this
Another thing about PC sales is that on their own client they dont lose 30% of the sales paying platforms like google play or apple store so earnings can be even 30% higher.
Great video! This issue really highlights the trend of wishing the worst from games. People should spend their energy championing games they enjoy instead of wishing the worst from games. Even as someone who fell off of HI3 because of Part 2, I want this game to continue to succeed
It's because their fav games don't have PVP/Leaderboard system. HI3 players are too busy trying to stay high in the leaderboards to engage in meaningless conflicts such as these.
@@azimtv7419But most HI3rd players outside CN doesn't care about their own placement in the leaderboards, maybe even CN also has such situation. In community groups like FB, WA, Discord, only a handful of players who cares about their position. Most of em cares for waifu collection, MMD, memes, fan art, etc.
I've been playing HI3 since the pre-launch in 2018, and while part 2's story was a bit of a slog that I didn't care much for, NOW it's really starting to pick up and get me very excited after what we witnessed in Chapter 5's current story
So earlyyyy And thank you for covering this topic! It makes me sad to hear so many negative things about HI3rd when it’s really the most immersive world hoyo built :’)
I honestly had the opposite happen. I started as a genshin player to hoyo and then picked up HI3 to try their older game after seeing one of the animations. Now it is unequivocally my favorite game im currently playing.
I tried to play this game 4 times before part 2 came out. When part 2 came out I wanted to give it another chance taking advantage of the new changes and I haven't stopped playing since then. It also helps that they have been modernizing some of the old systems lately
Also im surprise that he didnt mention the part 2 story and characters being a problem not because they are since its still good but bc a lot of people are like "bring kiana back, the story sucks and blah blah" not even giving part 2 a chance
Ikr?, Part 1 got all the build up from many chapters and mangas then when Part 2 also start doing build up all they said is that they “do not care about the character” like? Couldn’t that also be applied to Part one at the start?
Part 1 also start off slow with us following the boring chapter of kiana daily school. It picked up the pace when hov revived but that's like 6 chapter in.
i always compare the Kiana situation to JoJo chars AND Goku, i'll explain JoJo main chars arcs end, they can appear (like Joseph not being main char in Stardust Crussaders), but you need to let them go, they are not the protagonist anymore and new stories and adventures will be told But some people simply can't let go, which is what happened to Goku, fans wouldnt ever let go off Goku, which is what made Gohan sell smoke and mirrors for hundreds of episodes without ever doing anything, and when he finally won a fight, he then got sidelined immediately in Buu Saga, making the character roster very very very stale and boring
Honkai Impact will never really die. Part 2 story did start off slow but it got better. But also Hoyoverse is too big and HI3 is their baby. Like Tears of Themis is still ongoing and that game is made specifically for husbando lovers. Sparkle’s introduction to the story is helping HI3 plot get more integrated to the HSR plot which is good since HSR is more popular. So yeah HoyoStans, HI3 won’t die.
Until this point, Welt is basically the only true tie-in between both games/stories we've had, so it's really cool that there's another crossover. I saw Sampo on the event art and got so happy. He and Sparkle are literally the most perfect characters to bring into a crossover, such goofy and mischievous ones
I thought I was alone in wanting an English dub for Honkai Impact. I only know English and for me, it goes from manageable to extremely difficult to connect on an emotional level to people speaking another language. I actually recall somewhere on UA-cam someone did an English dub over Because of You, and I loved it!!! I legit started to cry because I was actually emotionally connected with Elysia because I didn’t need to read subtitles to understand her!! Thank you for bringing this up, it makes me feel validated in how I feel. ❤️
They can do it they have the VAs for characters that are also expys in hsr They already have Himeko, bronya, seele, mei, welt, natasha etc they can do it
Globally it's undeniably lost quite a bit of traction but even starting off it had a worse time than its successors due to anime and gacha games being far less mainstream prior to the pandemic. It did however revolutionise what gacha games could be due to the use of actual 3D models and animations, and not JPEGS or Sprites for characters. In CN the fanbase has essentially never really changed. Currently HI3rd is in a state of limbo where the existing fanbase is very loyal to it but it doesn't garner many new players usually due to the age of the game. If anything any new players may just be HSR players being interested in the story and playing through it to gain a greater understanding of the cosmology or potential future references to Impact 3rd within Star Rail, then deleting the game afterwards due to too much additional content they don't wish get through or burnout from playing through everything. Not many new players stay from what I've seen.
Yea, Hi3 is really good at attracting new players, one of the main reasons being those animated shorts, they were unique and really good, a lot of new players will check out the game just because of those. But Hi3 is still by far the most competitive out of all the Hoyo games, it has very steep learning curves, and I have seen it discouraged a lot of players from keep playing it, because at some point they would just hit a wall, and they realize it would take too much effort.
To add a bit to the gacha and meta segment. After reluctantly coming back for Part 2 (Thelema was too attractive to pass on), I would say the gacha is definitely better, although I have been unsuccesful to snipe weapons early than I was in Part 1 as was mentioned. I managed to get an early once. I have been somewhat lucky on the valks getting some a bit to very early, which is not really more unusual than to part 1. While pulling for weapons you tend to get the complete stigmata set now anyway, but since it is still cheaper than part 1, and you can use the mats from salvaging copies, I am happy with it, although I agree they could give more cubes. The part 2 system actually made me willing to spend because this gacha just inherently felt more reasonable to me, because farmable stigmata are just a better and more f2p system to begin with. Part 2 valks are very strong but P1 valks especially Luna and Fua who are still P1 gacha so very unattractive to pull for me personally, are still very meta and I did not aquire them because of this exact reason, so when they are relevant in weather it really sucks for me because even though I have p1 valks, they are still mostly on my old "f2p gear", so my runs are worse but still doable. I agree with what p2 valks are more skippable than others, but I think Songque outside of her specific SD bosses was not worth the pull for me either. I don't like that they seemingly entirely dropped the war treasury system but I am going to be honest, I never liked the system in practice. These farmable valks were meta the day they dropped, and must haves in certain comps and weathers, and usually required you to have them SS to have any resemblance of a good unit, which took many weeks to do so (unless you just pulled for them). And then you still had to get the gear somehow! It would've been stomachable if at least the stigmata was farmable as it is now, but no, only the ancient ones get farmable stigmata, which at that point, you would only do for collection purposes or if you had that valk maxed in rank somehow. Overall pretty disappointing there.
When HSR came out, Genshin suffered the most of all hoyo games, and it's very noticeable across all estimations out there. And it happened again when ZZZ came out. Hoyo is spreading out their playerbase across their games, it's a natural phenomenon.
Probably because they *want* it to die. Claiming that it already has is just their attempt to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. And what motivates them? Um... tribal warfare, I guess? Because one cannot like two or more gacha games at the same time? Idk, I've always struggled to understand internet tribes.
@@PrincessStabbityPLS yeah, they want it to die, because that make them "right" it give them sense of... accomplishment? achievement? and they feel more superior than the people that play the game, it make them feel special and matter, it's downright pathetic
12:03 "homu, but wouldn't it be weird to have part of the game dubbed while the rest isn't" They can always retroactively add a dub to part one. Even if it's released in smaller seperate updates alongside part 2 updates. Imagine this. there's an announcement for a few new events in part 2, after everything is announced, there's a surprise trailer.. you see.. wha? Part 1! But Something's off.. it's in English! Turns out part 1 is getting an English dub up until the Herrscher of the void's debut. They'll be dubbing the story in separate pieces to avoid overworking the crew. Now wouldn't that be an interesting idea
Right, I've always I gained that if they retroactively give the game an Eng dub they would release it in batches. Like ch1 to 9, ch9-ex to 17, ch18 to 25, ch25-ex to 35, and then part 1.5 and so on.
Oh heck no!! Have you seen what's happening with hoyo's EN VA drama in past couple months (GI and HSR)? EN dub brings more trouble than benefit. This is an 8yo game with established role, and the last thing we need is western drama and their DEI/LGTV problems
@@kutukan2219 Please go elsewhere with this bullshit. Like seriously, fuck off. We're talking about a game where the majority of ships are literally lesbians, what the fuck are you on about?
That conclusion about time capsule really hits. When I played genshin and play hsr, I sometimes get flashbacks to the earlier chapters of hi3. Their games are all polished and concrete from day 1 now, and even though I did dislike the jank as I played through hi3 story, it being the only place I can really see mihoyo grow over time is precious.
I'm working at the conventions as a vendor, and I've noticed a growing interest in Honkai Impact 3rd this year, since Mihoyo made joined HoYoPlay Launcher, at least in my country. I believe many people who played Genshin and Star Rail on PC started Honkai 3rd, as the app suggests you to try other games. Also finally the version of the game has much better optimization on PC since the new launcher
I would LOVE if gacha games actually gave timelines on when they plan on ending service to their games, and gave players an actual timeframe on how much time they have left.
as someone who has actually played a bunch of gachas that shut down their servers, hi3 revenue is quite healthy and far from eos numbers so I'm not worried about its current state. although @9:42 tbh I'm a bit worried about this one even if we completely exclude every other gacha outside of hoyo. there has been an ample amount of time between hi3 and genshin release and then hsr 3 years later, but then zzz released shortly after and now hoyo even has another honkai game in the works. oh yeah, there's tears of themis as well but I'm not counting ggz since it has no global server anymore. that said, I'm a little worried they're thinning out their fanbase a little too fast. I'd rather they pour their resources in improving their current games than keep on releasing more.
You had me until you called Lantern skippable. HERESY! Seriously though, I started back when Mobius was released, and even back then people were doomposting constantly. It's all old hat at this point. Also the overabundance of 5 star characters is a huge issue in HSR. HI3rd is way more manageable to pull without having to spend.
In reality, yes, Lantern is skippable. She is nice to have, but clearly not as important as Sena or Thelema. Just look at the abyss weather roster during her patch, they did her dirty, she wasn't even dominant at all during her release patch, which is unusual for new S ranks.
The true decilne will be from the fact that they are putting honkai star rail above the story current story so now it will just pander to star rail refrences and lore while making current story matter less having a memokeeper talk to kiana already does that
Agree to disagree on that. Problems on Earth already conlude, and the girls need to expand their lore beyond honkai tidal barrier to the end of the solar system, then the milky way, and the rest of the galaxy. They might have to pace a little, though. Personally I think they have to reconstruct better story in part2. The first 4 chapter make good buildups but the epilogues are dogs$#1t since it revealed that the whole arc is basically a simulation with nothing put at a stake
I see it as them building 2 story at the same time. We know the story is gonna be connected to hsr because we are approaching apho on the main story and i just see the collab stuff as the foundation for part 1 character to tackle on the back while the mars crew uncover the mars story
I disagree, like others have mentioned the story of HI3rd would've inevitably expanded beyond Earth which was then Venus and now Mars, and beyond that our local solar system etc. HI3rd developers have always had this grand vision of the Honkaiverse, and together with HSR they're building it. I personally love the intersection between the two games, and look forward to them becoming increasingly interlinked while still retaining their own identities. Both game developers have shown they can deliver peak fiction, just let them cook.
Honestly, I agree with you, to an extent. I'm not wholly opposed to HSR story content being present in HI3 in the first place, but the way they've done it here just doesn't really work at all. Of course they're gonna need to go beyond Mars at some point, but.... Mars was already a really big leap for the story, and we've only just had the plot get into its stride, with it starting to become something truly great. Yes, there is still the greater universe beyond HI3's solar system and the Honkai energy intertidal zone, but it's just simply not the time to be getting into all that. We only JUST had things get real serious and had the stakes raised with Leylah's introduction into the plot, and how they'd assumedly be tied to Ruimu in some way because that's where Mars' "gods" reside (and the tower matches her aesthetic). We're going to Ruimu next, so things are only going to get deeper the closer we get to Leylah and the truth of Senadina. But now.... there's Sparkle talking to Vita out of nowhere, and a Memokeeper intruding upon Kiana's Martian computer coma. Not only does it not make quite 100% sense for Vita to actually join the Masked Fools - while the Masked Fools are very free and able to do what they want without Aha butting in, they ARE still under the gaze and "control" of a divine being, something Vita spent literal millennia trying to escape from before managing to steal Sa's authority and becoming a god in her own right. She doesn't even need the power of a Pathstrider, either. But also, the timing just isn't right. Both the scene with Sparkle and Vita, as well as Kiana and the Memokeeper, are just simply placed in the chapter with zero rhyme or reason, breaking the pacing and coming out of nowhere after a sudden scene transition from something completely unrelated. And keep in mind, HI3's main timeline is still sitting in 2024 right now. APHO is next year in 2025, and Alien Space's future portions happen in 2029. We are AT MINIMUM still 5 years away from when Welt and Void Archives actually leave the solar system and enter HSR proper. The Sky People have not attacked Earth in earnest yet. Why are we getting into all this HSR stuff with Aeons and Emanators and everything else that exists beyond Earth's solar system, when we still have the conflict on Mars and soon-to-be-upcoming conflict back on Earth to deal with. I get that APHO was initially written right in the middle of Part 1 and thus some things have to be retconned inevitably no matter what (such as Mei and others "seeing Otto die", which was not true). But why are they so surprised and outmatched against the Sky People in APHO if we're now getting all the greater HSR cosmology thrown in our faces. What was the point of all that elaboration regarding the Sky People with Marah having escaped with a bunch of cleaners and becoming the leader of her own new thing of space pirates (confirming that our main antagonist with the Sky People is actually her rather than Sa) if they're just going to completely invalidate them through this and make said upcoming threat entirely pointless. Yes, Kiana is still presumably in her coma by the time of APHO, and Vita is who knows where (probably screwing around doing Masked Fools things, which makes it even worse), but if we're getting all this HSR stuff here now an entire year before APHO happens for the in-universe timeline, then what even really is the point of actually waiting for APHO 3 to get here? Having HSR content in HI3 is fine on paper and as a concept, but not here with the way they've actually done it now in Part 2 Chapter 5 and assumedly however the collab is gonna work.
as a fellow 8 year enjoyer you deserve a sub and like for this. The one thing that was confusing is you said you had to be level 30 to start part 2... I remember creating an alt account and I was directly thrown into part 2. I literally hadn't started an alt account ever and I was actually confused how to get to the part 1 story from the menu and had to ask chat how to get out of part 2 as every time I clicked on story it just put me back in part 2 lol. I had no idea how to navigate the menu on a new account >_>; but anyway nice video thanks a lot.
I have been in honkai impact for more than 3 years since I found it through himeko's video and you can see all these problems in itself but with the beginning of part 2 at least in goal the state in the lotus network range for longer until the end of the shus, something that in part 1 went down and up every so often, of course with vita and teresa where I have just dropped in rank, being a big difference to part 1 and regarding the language it also means that it cannot be expanded further. I play with Spanish being what they ask for the most since I am Latin but I have no problem with English but for others it is. but the most important thing and what makes me continue in honkai impact is its story, which is why I have continued and continue to do so even after Kiana because it is this that brought me to this game, not its gameplay but the stories it tells and I plan to continue until the complete end of this
Also, Honkai Impact is the best thing that has happened to my life and I wouldn't at least want it to end because it is what motivates me to move forward in this world called life.
i bet the same people whine about how Genshin is dying, everytime a patch X.6 or X.7 comes around they cannot understand that the playerbase moves with the hype, so patches after the main story and before the big next update comes around are onviously gonna have less people.
The game doesn't seem to be dead but, i quit after 7 years of playing it. Also, i don't really like how part 2 valks and their powercreep meta outclasses part 1 valks as this is truly insane...like all my efforts with my fully geared part 1 valks is thrown under the bus.
I'm so glad they updated the stig system. Kitting out a char before really hurt the pockets. I do also miss being able to get gacha chars frags in pulls though. Got pages of frags I'll never be able to use now bc you get a full char instead
Its kinda funny that i actually came back and played Hi3rd back in the past 1 and half year because of HSR upon stopping back in 2018. It revived my interest in the game and reminded me how much i love this game.
I have seen enough. Downloading HI again xD Thanks for the video homu. I was one of the players who shifted to HSR when it launched but seeing your vids has convinced me to come back again. Never let you go after all...
Thank you for the video! I hope my information helped. My only gripe with HI3rd at moment is that I wish Hoyo would fix longstanding issues like glitches and typos in the legacy content. I love the story so much but it becomes a tough thing to get people to try when the older content's script quality is significantly worse.
Hi everyone, im kinda new to Hi3 and i also think the new player experience is not to good aswell. Its hard to navigate what to do and it took me someone from a Hi3 discord to explains what my dailys routine should look like. I also think that modes where you use your own characters are kinda diffecult to find. Like i said i quiet new and dont know a lot but its really hard to get into it and its hard to keep playing :(
Also do i really find it annoying how you build characters in the game. you get a character but to have decent gear for said characters you usually gotta pull more on the banners (atleast thats what i found on google)
Your weekly is only available until you unlock Abyss , Arena , and Elysian Realm. These thing are that give you crystal the most and keep resetting every week , and for abyss is twice a week. And for daily itself its only just keep doing all stuff like using stamina for material expedition , open world , dorm expedition , errand. You can check what activity you need to do for daily in top left menu called "mission". So the best thing you can do as a new player is , keep playing daily , doing stuff from new player content (there is menu at the bottom , the icon is look like the book.), and unlocking all the weekly im mentioned. WARNING for new player dont you ever updating your captain level to 81 (this only happen if you already at lv 80 right know and you have a choice to upgrade.) Tips if you already unlock Elysian Realm : keep playing until you unlock deep sequence and shallow sequence , unlock your key recommended only your main dps that already you have , but im recommending Coralie for doing Elysia Realm , since they gave you fullset equipment , and she is really strong for the game content.
For character building , yes you need fullt equipment for them to get fully functioned , but thats for only used at the best rank at Abyss or you want to having maximum difficult for Elysian Realm that its not your priority , because you can also having maximum reward weekly without highest difficulty at Elysian Realm , if you are f2p dont feel to bad competiting too much for Abyss , since you are left behind 8 years , you are not gonna have a chance , until you finally managed to catch up after having some of new character banner fully equipped. Most of the game content is having trial character , so you dont have worry to much for building character.
@@Klops_ID oh wow thanks for the info! yea i won't lie i tried my best to keep playing cuz i really wanted to like the game but i just cant :( also cuz it was hard to know what to do. that guy i mentioned before really helped a lot to help enjoy the game cuz i "kinda" knew what i was doing at that point
There is sensei cadet system. HI3 have global chat lobby. So you can real time chat in lobby. Use it. Channel 1 usually the most active. Lots of old player there.
Truth right here man. Strategic pulling for gachas and resources management are the most important aspect of Hi3, knowing what your acc needs are and how to prioritize is key. 50% of being good at Hi3 is knowing how to manage these multiple different currencies/resources effectively.
even now biggest issue in hi3rd is the fact valks don't feel usable without their weapons 😭 but it's a problem that existed in part 1 as well. However the thing I love about part 2 is every valk can be dps and support. You can basically switch the leader in wheel of destiny team and cover most of the content in the game.
Not, I still use Path of acheron for Horb and without any of her signatue stigma. But I still can get better score on abyss. so your opinion about Part 1 valk can't be play without their signature weapon isn't accurate.
@@RaykinaBreaker Now do that with your DPS and see your points crumble to dust. They're the most affected units by not having their weapon, especially if Valks like Thelema gain 3 seconds of timestop because of it.
on the merch side, there was a pretty big influx of merch in the last year or so. offhand, i bought the Senadina yo-yo, the Razer Kishi v2 with Mobius Skin(it went quick) and the Hyte y40 Songque case.
Sensor tower for SEA is kinda whack since me and armada mates usually top ups with CodaShop cause its easier and no TAX, which those estimate servers doesnt calculate
@@Raikeran Jesus Christ bless mine and others souls. Because I'm going to make this happen I will write it then i'll pitch it after film school. (Need film school for the experience I need to get myself accepted as director.)
My expirience as someone who decided to start the playing the game from part 2 was pretty ok. I kinda understood the story because despite not reading the story of first part I watched a lot of videos about it so I have a general understanding of it, still part 2 story didn't really catch me, it was okay but nothing special for me. The combat was pretty fun, would probably be more fun if Prometheus wasn't the only good valkyrie I had. What made me quit was the gacha system, I'm not sure, maybe I did something wrong or what but the amount of currency I got was miniscule compared to the amount of time I spend in the game, like after 3-3,5 month of playing the game I didn't even have 1 character pity, combine that with seeing all other people have fun playing units who I wanted to play too and it just stopped being fun. But people who think HI3 is dying are delusional(lol), it's the golden child of Hoyo, they won't let it just die, not even talking about how many players I saw in HSR subreddit wanting to play the game after Sparkle.
it's dying. they changed the weapon gacha, they removed the off rate taking out your chance to get a gear from your gearless valkyrie and to raise your collection rating and also now requires you to complete the 60 pull guarantee unless miracle happens. and since part 2 started, valkyrie releases are just S rank gacha only valkyries and Sparkle will be the 7th streak S rank gacha release. no more A, SP ranks and farmable S ranks. Part 2 also made Part 1 valkyries almost irrelevant. it is a huge turn off for us veterans
I was expecting this from their part 2. They did great with Genshin, I hope they can implement it gradually with Part 2 updates. Like making gradual adjustments for all older valkyrie and gears along the way, maybe 2 or 3 sets per patch to fix the dogshit balancing they've been running throught those years. But alas, looks like I was expecting too much from them 😂.
Another thing to add is that instead of pushing ENTIRELY new units, them going back and giving astral ring to S rank valkyries from the end of part 1/APHO (HORB Seele, HOTR Bronya, SW Bronya, etc) as they just did with Kiana HOFI battle suit is a good direction. That way these not *super* old but pre-part 2 units can have even more synergies with new part 2 units. Sushang has yet to be powercrept because she is that good. They could always give Sushang astral ring even if she doesn't need it. It would create for more uses for the Valk also (she's still busted).
it is a nice feature that the characters aren't lock to spacific teams and can synergize with each other now. But what are your thoughts on them releasing new gear for old characters to make them more compatible with the newer ones?
Hoyo is still mantaining GGZ in JP and CN (And they recently did a Bandori MyGo collab which was a huge hit in china), if GGZ isnt closing down any time soon, HI3 is gonna be just fine lol
12:38 This is very true. As a native spanish speaker, I wish that Hoyo could localize HI3 in spanish. Even if I know english, it is far more comfortable to read something in your native language. People from spanish speaking countries are definitely interested in HI3 story and lore but can't get into the game because their language isn't supported. I'll continue playing the game as I'm still enjoying the story in part 2.
heres an idea on the wind. I had totally forgotten that you need to be level 30 to start part 2. I believe that part 2, although a bit overbearing on information at the start, all of it is fairly disconnected to part 1 still. what hoyo need to do is change the starter BP that gives a...what was it the last time I saw, a Senti? into a part 2 character or a part 1 with a astral ring, like they are doing with the new divine key. add a cherry on top with a voucher that you can purchase to level yourself to 30, something simple like a $5 thing, and you have a great formula to bridge new players. They recently increased the stamina cap, but not sure if its available from the start. that would help tons in reaching lvl 30 faster, but you are still lacking options of using that stamina to lvl up early. at the end of the day, the cosmology has always been the trump card in all this. when Genshin gets revealed as kiana's dream, Vita becoming an Aeon and the ultimate villain threating all games at the same time, Hi3 will keep rising from the grave (just a saying, not like i feel it dead). Heck, even when all this spaghetti hits the fan someday, you can still just chill away from it all while sipping on a juice box on ZZZ. Overall I say its a great time for mihoyo to thrive, and all games will benefit from it one way or another, including theirs and our beloved Honkai Impact. also...16,161 views at the 16 hour mark. niiice
for now my only complaint is the fuel we need to farm for old stigmata, i mean it took me almost one and half year just to craft g4 fire stigmata for fu hua garuda battlesuit like we need them to increase the amount we get from farming or make the amount needed for crafting less
wonder if anyone is the same as me: played until end of ER(ely HOH), quit, found out recently that P2 is out for about a year and story is getting long enough to be enjoyable. Returned on a fresh account and played thru P2 from first chapter to current chapter without pause, was a great experience. Currently slowly catching up on part1 storyline and plan to push P1 story past HoH and see what happens afterward.
The gacha is insane. On just the $5 monthly, I've got every part 2 character and gear. I even splurged on the current spending event to get the 'free' Kiana, and I'm still in pretty good shape for Sparkle.
thanks u for this vid. ppl complaining about p2 gacha have no idea how horrible p1 was (here i still don't have HoTr weapon even pulling it more than 100 times). i also remember always skipping the cool s rank cuz there was a new sp "support" support that if u didn't have u was done for. p2 valk can also be support and dps giving them much more value and longevity than any p1 chars
I'm surpised that there are even some people that prefer the part 1 gacha or that it was better then now. Which I feel like is objectively wrong. But anyways, I have been waiting for HI3 to be awesome again for way too long, finally it seems my wish will be fullfilled starting from the next update, they are cooking hard
Honestly i like the leaderboards because it feels like there is a place and a reason to use the characters that i either spent time or money to get. What else is there to do in Genshin after clearing abyss with one hand while eating a sandwich. Wuthering waves makes me use both hands but after i get my rewards there isn’t a place to use my characters. The biggest difference between Wuwa and Genshin is that i can feel my hard work as my rotations improve in Wuwa versus my one-handed Genshin account. In Honkai impact 3rd i can compete against other players who also enjoy getting to scores. It’s absolutely unnecessary but i still like it. Honkai Impact rotations always are the same and we all use the same strats mostly but it feels good when i get 3 points higher than someone especially when there is a disparity between our accounts. Maybe i’m alone but that’s how i feel.
Thanks for explaining the whole thing! Man there was some insight at some part and some part I do agree. I cannot say that "this is not true, this is wrong" Cause I'm an on off player (as a broke person hi3 requirement is still high 😂) so there is a lot that I'm missing about. From I see, part 2 give us something refreshing and some habbit change. But there is that impact me the most: 1. Gacha: yes, I could say the gacha is sucks but after the explanation it kind of the meh way. Probably most of the player (and me) is usually getting the weapon and that's it. Since wep is the important one rather than the stigs. So when new gacha system introduce it kind of feeling that stigs isn't much valuable anymore and cannot put to other valks (probably in the future we can get, but I doubt it). This is kind of different with part 2 gacha. But well it probably have slight difference, also depens on the person. But it help us complete faster and spend more less ( for average player that wanted to get full gear). Char banner it's as it's. 2. The lite program... IT HELP ME SO MUCH, so complete for daily and everything else is so much faster. Yes the time of playing is much shorter but with times right now, like people getting busy is like the perfect time. To stay relevant for me There is something that can be add on: - probably releasing more subs, I doubt for dub one. Cause it maybe need to expand more resources - adding new A valks would be helpfull. But with new wep systems this isn't worth it at some degree.
I quit cause after a major release update, and a 3 month break, I lost everything, which included three herrscher team at near max limit breaks. I just couldn't find myself playing again.
Guys, I need help. Earlier this year, I lost access to playing hi3rd (maybe due to my region, I live in middle east). I picked up a VPN, and then I tried launching the game again, I put out my account information, and it reset my account like it's a new account. Can someone plz suggest to me what should I do in this case.
“Honkai is dead” has already been around since 2019. People would say that as long as they have personally lost interest on the game and just wanted their collective to be in agreement.
Even if I no longer play due to storage reasons (yes. I have storage reasons stop.) I will still forever come back to HI3. This is my main game. Game that raised me. It will always have a special place in my heart. I will be coming back soon though because STORY. Back when Part 1 ended I actually thought about leaving but then I thought about it and I decided to give Part 2 a chance.
I can agree with many points in this video. Also i did start playing Hi3 around HoT release but bc of no pc launcher and bad controls on smartphone emulator back in the days i dropped it. After HSR got released i make a new account (a little over 1year ago now) and startet playing the whole story which is to this date my fav story with characters followed by HSR and GI. I think being burned out is understandable so unless ur a collector or meta player u can take ur time playing it. I myself sometimes only play the new story after its fully released or even later if u want so its about pacing urself imo. The new gacha of part 2 is rly helpful as u metnioned with only needing the unit and if ur lucky the weapon since the rest can be craftet cheaply now. The powercreep is "annoying" but each gacha has those some worse and some better than others. And bc of the current HI3 story with Sparkle or maybe for HSR with Penacony's story with Acheron and Welt many ppl will show interest in Hi3 (maybe or personally i hope so) to play the story or see at least the connection. When i finished Part 1 with Kiana, which was the main reason i startet the game, i also felt kinda ok its kinda over but had enough interest to continue reading the story which itself was a good choice. Even though part 2 is kinda confusing currently so i hope ur back to full healt soon to make more lore vidoes Homu xD
The game isnt dying. But to neglect the shortcomings of the game is a serious issue in the community, to the point you either have players who refuse to listen to any criticism, or others who doompost every time they come online. 1) it is significantly more difficult to pick up signature weapons. Source prism was handled very poorly at the beginning. The devs should have been more transparent about the removal of A ranks. There feels to be a lot of calls back to PT 1 lore in hopes for PT 1 players to return, and it feels cheap. The wide reception of the Seele and Fu Hua arcs were negatively received. Followed by going straight into PT 2 story which a lot of players didnt even give a chance to. I felt like the story itself was good. But the pacing and introduction could not have been worse. Way too much exposition dumps and telling the player how to feel and whats happening and how to play this character exactly with giant flashing buttons. And less of showing us this enormous, beautiful world. We are stuck in a tiny room with one machine in it with Coralie and Senadina and we have over 40 minutes of just the characters asking who each other are and whats going on...instead of something that could have taken 2 minutes of a wide area shot and small video into a small fight to explain the stakes. After doing that for hours, i ran out of patience. Which has never happened in any other game ive played since the PS2. I didnt care who i was pulling for because i coulent be asked to continue the story with how bad the pacing was. I just got them because they were meta. But then another meta S rank came out. And another. And another. And then another. And no more A ranks. Then people are hype about Vita. Who i think literally looks like Rita, but with a giant mech. Seele and Prometheus just feel so much better to play than PT2 characters. Each PT2 character felt so clunky and forced. You could tell the devs wanted to do more, but they had pushed themselves into a box with combat. So i left. I have really great memories of honkai. And i dont think the story is bad, or the gacha, and i dont think the game is dying. But there are some serious pacing issues, and the devs just lack communication. I left before something i loved turned into a regret. I still have 2 Da wei cards unused on the account, and every character 4/4 up until Songque. Who i couldnt have cared for whatsoever. Almost came back for Teriri, my favorite character in hi3 of all time. But i cant be asked. Not when ive spent thousands in money and time and feel like that time just wasnt respected in terms of limited story rewards and pacing.
Another thing that contribute to the "game is dying" is the lack of animation movie shorts. What's the factor for why we haven't see 'animated shorts' for Part 2? Is the revenue? not enough budget or...?
honkai is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more popular in china than globally so yea its not going anywhere GGZ is still there too, honkai GGZ are passion project for hoyo
Can someone tell me where Can I find HI3 part 2 explained or gameplay guide because I don't understand everything about part 2.I am returning captain.I want to understand part 2 story or new combat.
I was podcasting the video but had to stop work, open the comment section and leave a comment to say YES!!! HAVING A ROSTER OF ALL FEMALE PLAYABLE CHARECTERS IN A GAME SO INTERESTING AS HONKAI IMPACT 3RD IS A MAJOR LET DOWN!!! Now, lets keep listening.
I enjoy Honkai Impact 3rd a lot, it brings a lot more to the table than other gacha games, like difficulty and strategy. I've never really needed to look up a video on how to play team lineups in Genshin/Star Rail, while in HI3rd, I feel as if I fail if I don't and I really do enjoy the challenge. I feel like new players especially now are so overwhelmed, and I totally get it. I never encourage my friends to give it a try unless they're really dedicated to playing and stuff. Do I think Part 2 did great? I LOVED the immersiveness of the story and even better cutscenes and such. However, I think they're biggest fall off was not adding English dub for part 2 valks (and story) if they were truly aiming to gain more players through this new part of the story. It would've been so good to finally have something fresh and new ontop of the graphic overhaul of many things. Another thing, I got sort of impatient with the QoL that they're FINALLY doing, many of these things could've been brought so much sooner. Some friends of mine that used to be super interested in the game got very sick of similar gameplay every week and having to do some things became a chore. It has been a lot better recently and I actually spend more time on the game now more than ever. I'll always have a special place in my heart for HI3rd because the story is chef's kiss and you can tell that the people who make content and such for this game really do care and love what they do. I'm dedicated to staying until the end!
The thing is hi3 is in a reaaaally weird spot in terms of its perception of audience popularity, speaking as a captain for 6 years as well as someone who regularly plays like 5 other gacha accs, compared to literally every gacha hi3 has it the most confusing. Its very much far from dying as stated from the points of the video but another big reason is that its super popular for a gacha, although interestingly enough the actual playerbase might be way lower than the perceived audience as might be observed by the decline in gameplay views as well as the continuing drought of gameplay related posts anywhere other than the already established bois like marisa. So essentially alot of its popularity nowadays just comes from consuming lore tidbits online rather than ingame, but that same popularity also gives incentive for people to actually start the game (tho alot might not stick because of the points given in the video) but they will most likely still be a fan of the story and the characters and will still boost the games traction and such. also also another thing id like to add to the points given, and thats the budget stuff being seemingly cut for various things in p2 like no more voiced bday letters now(i still miss the bday cgs) as well as no more dedicated animation (which was the biggest thing bringing new players in) until the recent one with hanakle and vita for their collab, its a kinda small thing and some of the budget probably went to the scenery in p2 open world instead but its still something that i think has a bit of an effect in this
I really want to play Honkai Impact 3rd again but I don't want to start over with a new account. My account is built with almost all the Herschers. I recently residence to a different country and changed phones and I actually want to try the PC version but I can't log into my account on both the new phone and PC. So I just mainly watch and read content about Honkai Impact instead to keep myself updated
They should never remove the leaderboard. It's the reason people are having fun and are driven to become better. That's why tiers/rank exist. Even the rank malus of crystals is forgettable between the 3 big ranks
Meh, i think like 5% of the players care that much. What everyone wants is crystals and players either desire a good story or fun gameplay (or both). The leaderboards are something i like as well, i just don't think "it's the reason people are having fun".
I was alway in the position of, keep the leaderboard but remove all the rewards from leaderboards. This ways people who actually cares about competition can still compete and thos who don't care loose nothijg. They can simply redistribute the rewarda on other activities.
@@RoccusTerminal When I was restart impacting for position in Lotus / Myriad / Nirvana / MA, I wasn't aiming for the reward. People who really are competitive, doesn't care about those little difference in Crystal / Emblem etc, by removing them from the reward pool we facilitate more gameplay variety, ease of character's kit design by the dev, as well as non-competitive players can enjoy the game the way they want it without missing on premium currency or rare mats. As for the question, you can start on Google to find answer to that question.
The Sparkle vs Vita trailer came out today, and as non HSR player I'm absolutely confuse. Who is Sparkle and what is her actual power is. Homu's Sparkle explanation video didn't quite help. It no longer "Do you have to play HI3 to understand HSR", but the other way around
Idk how much this matters but the Astral Ring system obliterating the part 1 valkyries and their gear also makes the battle pass feel like it has low value.
Good video as usual, discussing all related issue and make it clear some hindsight. Theres one thing that you didnt really bring up because maybe you thought you dont need to since already discussed on previous video, which is putting hsr collab in current hi3 state. Consider hi3 current problems you brings up, its make sense they had to put hsr collab this time to regain hi3 traffic and retain the playerbase. On previous video when you said they put this collab at strange situation during current story build up it even proving the point that from hoyo perspective after calculating those issue they need to initiate something, forcing the game to have weird pacing with upcoming collab. Thing that most likely could happen, sparkle will bring surge amount of player considering hsr currently in "filler" pace before new planet so some sparkle fans would spent on hi3 instead. Its not a coincidence hi3 sparkle will available in same pacing during hsr final filler patch before entering new planet, which more proving the fact that this collab is smart move by hoyo in managing their products.
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well while i love Honkai impact played it since start of the game and all the thing is part 1 to me was the end after that while i enjoy getting the lore told to me by distinct people i dont like how part 1.5 and part 2 tell the story nor how it goes :/
*slams table frantically*
I shall play Honkai Impact 3rd until every story is told and every corner of the lore has been explained and fed into my brain
even if it is the last thing I will do
TRUE
so relatable, same
Where do I sign up for this? I wanna join you on this journey, fellow Captain ^^.
Captainverse is strong (^o^)
Preach
If Honkai Impact ever has 1 remaining player, that will be me for i am eternally loyal to HI3! (i also glaze all mihoyo's games)
Include me bro😁😁
Me too
Me too (except Genshin)😅
Count me in! make that four
Me too, and remember bro...honkai impact player never alone 😄
If Honkai 3rd don't gave hoyo income, they had closed a long time ago because is a "old game"
Same deal with Honkai Gakugen which is now 10 years old
Honkai gakuen still up but in china and japan
And it's doing another collab, with an upcoming idol anime
honkai founded genshin :) and now genshin and star rail brings enough money anyways
doubt it, ggz glb closed cause it has horrendous management sometimes you think the translations are just google'd
Interestingly, there are studios out there that keep their games alive if they are actually dead and not "dead by random internet metric" so I think it's pretty safe to assume a passion project like the Honkai series will be around for as long as it is feasible regardless of profit metrics.
After building a Vita team and after coming back to HI3 since 6.4, I can't state enough just how much better the new gacha is compared to part 1. I've felt an increasing amount of frustration from missing any newest and greatest units actively punishing me for it, especially their gear, so I'm just glad that they streamlined the experience and cut down the spending by well over half.
If anything, I actually actively prefer the new weapon banners as well, cutting out the bait drops in favor of keeping things simple. It also reassures me that any 4★ gear I get is what I want, and for a low spender every single drop matters.
While the P2 teams are undeniably way stronger than P1 teams to the point of almost complete obsolescence, I appreciate how little you have to invest in the grand scheme of things because of the way each Valkyrie supports each other. It offsets the powercreep substantially as well, making weathers easier to cover overall. It is comforting to know that my Valkyries will remain relevant because of their sheer versatility even a year or two down the line.
Thelema will easily be meta until we have another timestop valkyrie, and even then I doubt she’d fall out of meta and instead will remain 2nd best. Longevity is looking way better for these new valks compared to some P1’s.
in regards to the gacha oftentimes people overexagerate the so called "power creep" anyways, or how much you have to pull to stay "competitive" here, if you are in CN, sure, you are doomed, followed by SEA which is very competitive, but not as much, and then if you are in NA or EU, its super chill
Im in NA, and i personally have held for ages in RL (can go up to Nirvana if i want, but 20 crystal isnt worth the balding, i accidentally promoted with Vita tho), and i didnt pull any part 2 valks until Sonque, and now Vita, and lets be real, Sonque without part 2 supps can't even use AR, i had to use her with Seele+Promy, and still retained RL all the time
As for MA, under same conditions, i always retained 2% Rank, which further proves the point
Old Valks aren't really that "obsolete", even in an era where brackets are full of part 2 teams
@@Hiken_Bakuzan During my time playing in late P1, I struggled keeping up with abyss because of obnoxious gimmicks or not having the full team slots, and when I was in RL I rapidly bounced back to A3 because I didn't have the correct valks, and the game was strict on them.
This aggravated my frustrations way more. Not only is there pressure to build 4 teams, but you also need to readily replace any old Valkyrie with a new one to fit a gimmick in particular to keep up. Part 2 cuts down that spending quite substantially from what I can tell.
@@felixryan9798 That's exactly what I was talking about. Even then, she may or may not be a good support to use in other teams too, so she has a role to fall back on in case she ever gets crept.
Hell, what if the new valk uses the old valk in their team? That's what ended up happening to Kiana, to an extent.
@@lysenthe Yeah that was an unexpected curveball, and a good one at that. I never thought she’d be useful again out of the trip lol
A certain gaming CEO once said "I think as long as you survive, that's enough right? Love yourself along with the players, love the game and love your own team" it applies to every game you enjoy and love gacha or not
I find it hilarious that some toxic hoyobots label WuWa as "dead". Like bruh, it is 1 of the only 3 gacha games that has ever reached 10M downloads on TapTap. If WuWa is "dead", this means 80% of the gachas on the revenue chart are "dead"🙄
Kuro is something else
PGR and HI3 had some beef but it didn't last long. Hopefully Wuwa and Genshin feud won't last a long time
Imagine if HoYo would apply it to any of their games
Solon my father
I just roll my eyes and ignore those posts, they're made by players who never liked the game to begin with and try to justify quitting the game for one reason or another with the game being dead, you see that in every game community not just HI3rd, the issue isn't them being like that, it's those that might want to try the game reading those type of posts.
@@Ruledragon Ohayou. I think I've seen a reddit account with the same name.
@@DrownThySelf Yeah i roam around reddit a lot.
Doomposter really is the bane of getting new player to play the game. There's a reason why i recommend people to go straight to the official discord because there are less of those people there
I did quit because I thought part 2 was ass but I wouldn't say it's a dying game
I just got into hi3 last week and hope that they still continue supporting the game
If hi3 is dead the disturbance weather wouldn't be so high 🌚
Feels like Abyss has been more competitive than before, either that or I've gotten worse at the game.
@@DrownThySelfyeh you’re not wrong, I have been in agony 2-3 for a few months after hitting red lotus a few times
@@DrownThySelf Yea, I used to comfortably maintain Agony 3 in abyss even with half built teams. I dropped down to Agony 2 since early Part 2 and only got back up with Vita 😭
@@GABiHatchiiwa Nearly, the same.
My previous cycle was: Top Agony III; get sent to Redlotus; get low scores twice; get sent back Agony III.
Now I don't get top in A3 anymore and just get around 9th place and below and sometimes get sent to A2. 650 points against Existentialism shouldn't be 13th place... but I was 13th place for that. Damn, SEA.
It's either we lost all the casuals and are left with the competitives; every is overpowered with Part 2 comps; or I've gotten significantly worse (I'm thinking it's the last one). Regardless... pain.
@@DrownThySelf Because it's a lot easier to get valk 4/4 now, due to the new gacha system. Like I used to only see 3-4 players with the latest valk 4/4 in RL. Now it's almost half of the bracket. For Vita, almost my full bracket had her 4/4.
Everybody said Hi3 dead since last 2 years and still alive until now😂
Just like Hi3 and PGR, both still alive even everybody said it's a dead games
Meanwhile new games nowdays not even live more than 1 or 2 years 🤣
or 2 weeks (cough concord cough)
@@ZoryArkyConcord(cough cough cough)
Not the mentions the amount of upcoming collaboration with Hi3 with HSR which connected the the two universe and validated Welt character in HSR(For those who never look up or know about welt origin). Not to mention PGR is having collaboration with DMC5. I'm sure HI3 and PGR are doing just fine.
@@RueRose-rq6ps it's not dead, but "doing just fine" is lying to yourself. Losing half of revenue in just a year to the point part 2 S-rank releases net less profit than many part 1 A-ranks... Yep, that's anything but "doing fine". Still not enough to kill it. But also not enough to make the devs roll back some of the more retarded decisions like S-ranks every update.
@@jameshaston5427The Day (scam) before too
I stand on the fact that none of the other hoyo games would be around with Hi3. It crawled, walked, and ran so HSR and genshin could get become what they are.
Preach
And Not even Hi3 would be Around without Houkai Gakuen 2 Existing
@@SpultoBNMTheMutuallyUnrequited Thats true, but the reason why HI3 is the one being preached more is cause it's the game that brought them out of bankruptcy.
And not even Dawei would be around without his mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, etc 🏃♀️🏃♂️🏃♀️🏃♂️🏃♀️🏃♂️.
@@diazpramudita5165 exactly 💯
As a player that never played Honkai due to storage issues I have been deep into the lore of the game I’ll keep waiting until more is released, since there is so much I want to know about HI3 it’s just weird on why people hate on a game just because it’s old or it’s too much for new players
PC version is better than the mobile honest, plus more space.
A game that makes 2 million dollars per month will never die. They literally have Tears of Themis alive until now
hello nameless
@@charlesguba2942 Hello :)
@@TheNamelessKaslana btw what is you level of excitement for the up and coming collab, out of 100. im 85/100 in excitement rn, the 15 is because i have other things to do irl so its lessening my lvl of excitement and is giving me stress. but im so ready for this
@@charlesguba2942 I'm at 90/100. I can't wait for it to come to Global, and I want to see how the story will go now that Sparkle is in the story too
Tend to disagree. Do these two games have the same development and support cost? If yes, you are correct. If not, your point is invalid
Another thing about PC sales is that on their own client they dont lose 30% of the sales paying platforms like google play or apple store so earnings can be even 30% higher.
Great video! This issue really highlights the trend of wishing the worst from games. People should spend their energy championing games they enjoy instead of wishing the worst from games. Even as someone who fell off of HI3 because of Part 2, I want this game to continue to succeed
It's because their fav games don't have PVP/Leaderboard system. HI3 players are too busy trying to stay high in the leaderboards to engage in meaningless conflicts such as these.
@@azimtv7419But most HI3rd players outside CN doesn't care about their own placement in the leaderboards, maybe even CN also has such situation. In community groups like FB, WA, Discord, only a handful of players who cares about their position. Most of em cares for waifu collection, MMD, memes, fan art, etc.
Just in time when Sparkle vs. Vita Concept trailer was released, I see you Homu, we definitely eating good today! 🙏💯
concept? it was a full on anime fight scene fam
@@noxgamez2503 it's just in the name of the video though
@@ClassMonitorFuHua interesting
I've been playing HI3 since the pre-launch in 2018, and while part 2's story was a bit of a slog that I didn't care much for, NOW it's really starting to pick up and get me very excited after what we witnessed in Chapter 5's current story
So earlyyyy And thank you for covering this topic! It makes me sad to hear so many negative things about HI3rd when it’s really the most immersive world hoyo built :’)
Same
I honestly had the opposite happen. I started as a genshin player to hoyo and then picked up HI3 to try their older game after seeing one of the animations. Now it is unequivocally my favorite game im currently playing.
As long as Kiana can be on my home screen I will never leave HI3
0:19 I felt that in my SOUL, it's genuinely unbelievably annoying how many doomposters I see keep calling HI3rd "dead". 🙄
Tbh idea of Bangboo Labs seems interesting 😂
Make a lab background for both HI3 and ZZZ 🔥
I tried to play this game 4 times before part 2 came out. When part 2 came out I wanted to give it another chance taking advantage of the new changes and I haven't stopped playing since then. It also helps that they have been modernizing some of the old systems lately
Also im surprise that he didnt mention the part 2 story and characters being a problem not because they are since its still good but bc a lot of people are like "bring kiana back, the story sucks and blah blah" not even giving part 2 a chance
Ikr?, Part 1 got all the build up from many chapters and mangas then when Part 2 also start doing build up all they said is that they “do not care about the character” like? Couldn’t that also be applied to Part one at the start?
@tseiny8761 in fact part 1 characters were already built up from the manhwa and older story
Part 1 also start off slow with us following the boring chapter of kiana daily school. It picked up the pace when hov revived but that's like 6 chapter in.
Not to mention that a lot of player skip part 1.5 too. To them it's like a filler which annoyed me quite a bit 😂
i always compare the Kiana situation to JoJo chars AND Goku, i'll explain
JoJo main chars arcs end, they can appear (like Joseph not being main char in Stardust Crussaders), but you need to let them go, they are not the protagonist anymore and new stories and adventures will be told
But some people simply can't let go, which is what happened to Goku, fans wouldnt ever let go off Goku, which is what made Gohan sell smoke and mirrors for hundreds of episodes without ever doing anything, and when he finally won a fight, he then got sidelined immediately in Buu Saga, making the character roster very very very stale and boring
Even if hi3 hits eos I'll still manage to find an apk or something IM NOT LETTING IT GO SORRY HIMEKO🙏🏼
Honkai Impact will never really die. Part 2 story did start off slow but it got better. But also Hoyoverse is too big and HI3 is their baby. Like Tears of Themis is still ongoing and that game is made specifically for husbando lovers.
Sparkle’s introduction to the story is helping HI3 plot get more integrated to the HSR plot which is good since HSR is more popular.
So yeah HoyoStans, HI3 won’t die.
Until this point, Welt is basically the only true tie-in between both games/stories we've had, so it's really cool that there's another crossover. I saw Sampo on the event art and got so happy. He and Sparkle are literally the most perfect characters to bring into a crossover, such goofy and mischievous ones
I thought I was alone in wanting an English dub for Honkai Impact. I only know English and for me, it goes from manageable to extremely difficult to connect on an emotional level to people speaking another language. I actually recall somewhere on UA-cam someone did an English dub over Because of You, and I loved it!!! I legit started to cry because I was actually emotionally connected with Elysia because I didn’t need to read subtitles to understand her!! Thank you for bringing this up, it makes me feel validated in how I feel. ❤️
I want it too. Not because i would use it, fuck no, but because the amount of players would probably double which is a benefit to the game.
They can do it they have the VAs for characters that are also expys in hsr
They already have
Himeko, bronya, seele, mei, welt, natasha etc they can do it
I wouldn't hope for an English dub of a 7-year old game. Another waste of storage space 🙄
@jygting it's audio files they dont take that much space, and it wouldn't be a waste anyway.
Globally it's undeniably lost quite a bit of traction but even starting off it had a worse time than its successors due to anime and gacha games being far less mainstream prior to the pandemic. It did however revolutionise what gacha games could be due to the use of actual 3D models and animations, and not JPEGS or Sprites for characters. In CN the fanbase has essentially never really changed.
Currently HI3rd is in a state of limbo where the existing fanbase is very loyal to it but it doesn't garner many new players usually due to the age of the game. If anything any new players may just be HSR players being interested in the story and playing through it to gain a greater understanding of the cosmology or potential future references to Impact 3rd within Star Rail, then deleting the game afterwards due to too much additional content they don't wish get through or burnout from playing through everything. Not many new players stay from what I've seen.
Yea, Hi3 is really good at attracting new players, one of the main reasons being those animated shorts, they were unique and really good, a lot of new players will check out the game just because of those. But Hi3 is still by far the most competitive out of all the Hoyo games, it has very steep learning curves, and I have seen it discouraged a lot of players from keep playing it, because at some point they would just hit a wall, and they realize it would take too much effort.
To add a bit to the gacha and meta segment.
After reluctantly coming back for Part 2 (Thelema was too attractive to pass on), I would say the gacha is definitely better, although I have been unsuccesful to snipe weapons early than I was in Part 1 as was mentioned. I managed to get an early once. I have been somewhat lucky on the valks getting some a bit to very early, which is not really more unusual than to part 1. While pulling for weapons you tend to get the complete stigmata set now anyway, but since it is still cheaper than part 1, and you can use the mats from salvaging copies, I am happy with it, although I agree they could give more cubes. The part 2 system actually made me willing to spend because this gacha just inherently felt more reasonable to me, because farmable stigmata are just a better and more f2p system to begin with.
Part 2 valks are very strong but P1 valks especially Luna and Fua who are still P1 gacha so very unattractive to pull for me personally, are still very meta and I did not aquire them because of this exact reason, so when they are relevant in weather it really sucks for me because even though I have p1 valks, they are still mostly on my old "f2p gear", so my runs are worse but still doable.
I agree with what p2 valks are more skippable than others, but I think Songque outside of her specific SD bosses was not worth the pull for me either.
I don't like that they seemingly entirely dropped the war treasury system but I am going to be honest, I never liked the system in practice. These farmable valks were meta the day they dropped, and must haves in certain comps and weathers, and usually required you to have them SS to have any resemblance of a good unit, which took many weeks to do so (unless you just pulled for them). And then you still had to get the gear somehow!
It would've been stomachable if at least the stigmata was farmable as it is now, but no, only the ancient ones get farmable stigmata, which at that point, you would only do for collection purposes or if you had that valk maxed in rank somehow.
Overall pretty disappointing there.
When HSR came out, Genshin suffered the most of all hoyo games, and it's very noticeable across all estimations out there. And it happened again when ZZZ came out.
Hoyo is spreading out their playerbase across their games, it's a natural phenomenon.
I don't understand why people say that hi3rd is a dead game when clearly pgr is in a much worse situation in terms of income.
Probably because they *want* it to die. Claiming that it already has is just their attempt to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
And what motivates them? Um... tribal warfare, I guess? Because one cannot like two or more gacha games at the same time? Idk, I've always struggled to understand internet tribes.
@@PrincessStabbityPLS yeah, they want it to die, because that make them "right" it give them sense of... accomplishment? achievement? and they feel more superior than the people that play the game, it make them feel special and matter, it's downright pathetic
12:03 "homu, but wouldn't it be weird to have part of the game dubbed while the rest isn't"
They can always retroactively add a dub to part one. Even if it's released in smaller seperate updates alongside part 2 updates.
Imagine this. there's an announcement for a few new events in part 2, after everything is announced, there's a surprise trailer.. you see.. wha? Part 1! But Something's off.. it's in English! Turns out part 1 is getting an English dub up until the Herrscher of the void's debut. They'll be dubbing the story in separate pieces to avoid overworking the crew.
Now wouldn't that be an interesting idea
Right, I've always I gained that if they retroactively give the game an Eng dub they would release it in batches.
Like ch1 to 9, ch9-ex to 17, ch18 to 25, ch25-ex to 35, and then part 1.5 and so on.
Even japanese had to do that when Sawashiro was sick for a while and they added the voiced lines for Mei afterwards
@@PlatinumButthurt yup the elysian realm story arc just have Mei silent for most of the story. Her voice came back on the last arc of elysian realm
Oh heck no!! Have you seen what's happening with hoyo's EN VA drama in past couple months (GI and HSR)? EN dub brings more trouble than benefit. This is an 8yo game with established role, and the last thing we need is western drama and their DEI/LGTV problems
@@kutukan2219 Please go elsewhere with this bullshit. Like seriously, fuck off. We're talking about a game where the majority of ships are literally lesbians, what the fuck are you on about?
Look if someone was kept out by not having an English dub I think we are lucky that that is the case.
Yeah, fuck dyslexic people!
That conclusion about time capsule really hits. When I played genshin and play hsr, I sometimes get flashbacks to the earlier chapters of hi3. Their games are all polished and concrete from day 1 now, and even though I did dislike the jank as I played through hi3 story, it being the only place I can really see mihoyo grow over time is precious.
I'm working at the conventions as a vendor, and I've noticed a growing interest in Honkai Impact 3rd this year, since Mihoyo made joined HoYoPlay Launcher, at least in my country. I believe many people who played Genshin and Star Rail on PC started Honkai 3rd, as the app suggests you to try other games. Also finally the version of the game has much better optimization on PC since the new launcher
I would LOVE if gacha games actually gave timelines on when they plan on ending service to their games, and gave players an actual timeframe on how much time they have left.
as someone who has actually played a bunch of gachas that shut down their servers, hi3 revenue is quite healthy and far from eos numbers so I'm not worried about its current state.
although @9:42 tbh I'm a bit worried about this one even if we completely exclude every other gacha outside of hoyo. there has been an ample amount of time between hi3 and genshin release and then hsr 3 years later, but then zzz released shortly after and now hoyo even has another honkai game in the works. oh yeah, there's tears of themis as well but I'm not counting ggz since it has no global server anymore. that said, I'm a little worried they're thinning out their fanbase a little too fast. I'd rather they pour their resources in improving their current games than keep on releasing more.
You had me until you called Lantern skippable. HERESY!
Seriously though, I started back when Mobius was released, and even back then people were doomposting constantly. It's all old hat at this point.
Also the overabundance of 5 star characters is a huge issue in HSR. HI3rd is way more manageable to pull without having to spend.
In reality, yes, Lantern is skippable. She is nice to have, but clearly not as important as Sena or Thelema. Just look at the abyss weather roster during her patch, they did her dirty, she wasn't even dominant at all during her release patch, which is unusual for new S ranks.
The true decilne will be from the fact that they are putting honkai star rail above the story current story so now it will just pander to star rail refrences and lore while making current story matter less having a memokeeper talk to kiana already does that
Agree to disagree on that. Problems on Earth already conlude, and the girls need to expand their lore beyond honkai tidal barrier to the end of the solar system, then the milky way, and the rest of the galaxy. They might have to pace a little, though.
Personally I think they have to reconstruct better story in part2. The first 4 chapter make good buildups but the epilogues are dogs$#1t since it revealed that the whole arc is basically a simulation with nothing put at a stake
I see it as them building 2 story at the same time. We know the story is gonna be connected to hsr because we are approaching apho on the main story and i just see the collab stuff as the foundation for part 1 character to tackle on the back while the mars crew uncover the mars story
I disagree, like others have mentioned the story of HI3rd would've inevitably expanded beyond Earth which was then Venus and now Mars, and beyond that our local solar system etc. HI3rd developers have always had this grand vision of the Honkaiverse, and together with HSR they're building it. I personally love the intersection between the two games, and look forward to them becoming increasingly interlinked while still retaining their own identities. Both game developers have shown they can deliver peak fiction, just let them cook.
The game may not be dead but the identity it once had is dead. That's what I can say
Honestly, I agree with you, to an extent.
I'm not wholly opposed to HSR story content being present in HI3 in the first place, but the way they've done it here just doesn't really work at all.
Of course they're gonna need to go beyond Mars at some point, but....
Mars was already a really big leap for the story, and we've only just had the plot get into its stride, with it starting to become something truly great.
Yes, there is still the greater universe beyond HI3's solar system and the Honkai energy intertidal zone, but it's just simply not the time to be getting into all that.
We only JUST had things get real serious and had the stakes raised with Leylah's introduction into the plot, and how they'd assumedly be tied to Ruimu in some way because that's where Mars' "gods" reside (and the tower matches her aesthetic). We're going to Ruimu next, so things are only going to get deeper the closer we get to Leylah and the truth of Senadina.
But now.... there's Sparkle talking to Vita out of nowhere, and a Memokeeper intruding upon Kiana's Martian computer coma.
Not only does it not make quite 100% sense for Vita to actually join the Masked Fools - while the Masked Fools are very free and able to do what they want without Aha butting in, they ARE still under the gaze and "control" of a divine being, something Vita spent literal millennia trying to escape from before managing to steal Sa's authority and becoming a god in her own right. She doesn't even need the power of a Pathstrider, either.
But also, the timing just isn't right. Both the scene with Sparkle and Vita, as well as Kiana and the Memokeeper, are just simply placed in the chapter with zero rhyme or reason, breaking the pacing and coming out of nowhere after a sudden scene transition from something completely unrelated.
And keep in mind, HI3's main timeline is still sitting in 2024 right now. APHO is next year in 2025, and Alien Space's future portions happen in 2029.
We are AT MINIMUM still 5 years away from when Welt and Void Archives actually leave the solar system and enter HSR proper. The Sky People have not attacked Earth in earnest yet.
Why are we getting into all this HSR stuff with Aeons and Emanators and everything else that exists beyond Earth's solar system, when we still have the conflict on Mars and soon-to-be-upcoming conflict back on Earth to deal with.
I get that APHO was initially written right in the middle of Part 1 and thus some things have to be retconned inevitably no matter what (such as Mei and others "seeing Otto die", which was not true). But why are they so surprised and outmatched against the Sky People in APHO if we're now getting all the greater HSR cosmology thrown in our faces.
What was the point of all that elaboration regarding the Sky People with Marah having escaped with a bunch of cleaners and becoming the leader of her own new thing of space pirates (confirming that our main antagonist with the Sky People is actually her rather than Sa) if they're just going to completely invalidate them through this and make said upcoming threat entirely pointless.
Yes, Kiana is still presumably in her coma by the time of APHO, and Vita is who knows where (probably screwing around doing Masked Fools things, which makes it even worse), but if we're getting all this HSR stuff here now an entire year before APHO happens for the in-universe timeline, then what even really is the point of actually waiting for APHO 3 to get here?
Having HSR content in HI3 is fine on paper and as a concept, but not here with the way they've actually done it now in Part 2 Chapter 5 and assumedly however the collab is gonna work.
as a fellow 8 year enjoyer you deserve a sub and like for this.
The one thing that was confusing is you said you had to be level 30 to start part 2... I remember creating an alt account and I was directly thrown into part 2.
I literally hadn't started an alt account ever and I was actually confused how to get to the part 1 story from the menu and had to ask chat how to get out of part 2 as every time I clicked on story it just put me back in part 2 lol.
I had no idea how to navigate the menu on a new account >_>; but anyway nice video thanks a lot.
The timing of this video is crazy!
I was just asking this question as I came back for the collab.
I have been in honkai impact for more than 3 years since I found it through himeko's video and you can see all these problems in itself but with the beginning of part 2 at least in goal the state in the lotus network range for longer until the end of the shus, something that in part 1 went down and up every so often, of course with vita and teresa where I have just dropped in rank, being a big difference to part 1 and regarding the language it also means that it cannot be expanded further. I play with Spanish being what they ask for the most since I am Latin but I have no problem with English but for others it is. but the most important thing and what makes me continue in honkai impact is its story, which is why I have continued and continue to do so even after Kiana because it is this that brought me to this game, not its gameplay but the stories it tells and I plan to continue until the complete end of this
Also, Honkai Impact is the best thing that has happened to my life and I wouldn't at least want it to end because it is what motivates me to move forward in this world called life.
I recently started playing this game as a HSR, GI, ZZZ and WuWa player and I like this game a lot and just hoping that it will do fine in the future 🥺
i bet the same people whine about how Genshin is dying, everytime a patch X.6 or X.7 comes around
they cannot understand that the playerbase moves with the hype, so patches after the main story and before the big next update comes around are onviously gonna have less people.
The game doesn't seem to be dead but, i quit after 7 years of playing it. Also, i don't really like how part 2 valks and their powercreep meta outclasses part 1 valks as this is truly insane...like all my efforts with my fully geared part 1 valks is thrown under the bus.
I'm so glad they updated the stig system. Kitting out a char before really hurt the pockets. I do also miss being able to get gacha chars frags in pulls though. Got pages of frags I'll never be able to use now bc you get a full char instead
Its kinda funny that i actually came back and played Hi3rd back in the past 1 and half year because of HSR upon stopping back in 2018. It revived my interest in the game and reminded me how much i love this game.
I have seen enough. Downloading HI again xD Thanks for the video homu. I was one of the players who shifted to HSR when it launched but seeing your vids has convinced me to come back again. Never let you go after all...
i’m glad to have been part of the data survey!!
Thank you for the video! I hope my information helped. My only gripe with HI3rd at moment is that I wish Hoyo would fix longstanding issues like glitches and typos in the legacy content. I love the story so much but it becomes a tough thing to get people to try when the older content's script quality is significantly worse.
Hi everyone, im kinda new to Hi3 and i also think the new player experience is not to good aswell. Its hard to navigate what to do and it took me someone from a Hi3 discord to explains what my dailys routine should look like. I also think that modes where you use your own characters are kinda diffecult to find. Like i said i quiet new and dont know a lot but its really hard to get into it and its hard to keep playing :(
Also do i really find it annoying how you build characters in the game. you get a character but to have decent gear for said characters you usually gotta pull more on the banners (atleast thats what i found on google)
Your weekly is only available until you unlock Abyss , Arena , and Elysian Realm.
These thing are that give you crystal the most and keep resetting every week , and for abyss is twice a week.
And for daily itself its only just keep doing all stuff like using stamina for material expedition , open world , dorm expedition , errand.
You can check what activity you need to do for daily in top left menu called "mission".
So the best thing you can do as a new player is , keep playing daily , doing stuff from new player content (there is menu at the bottom , the icon is look like the book.), and unlocking all the weekly im mentioned.
WARNING for new player dont you ever updating your captain level to 81 (this only happen if you already at lv 80 right know and you have a choice to upgrade.)
Tips if you already unlock Elysian Realm : keep playing until you unlock deep sequence and shallow sequence , unlock your key recommended only your main dps that already you have , but im recommending Coralie for doing Elysia Realm , since they gave you fullset equipment , and she is really strong for the game content.
For character building , yes you need fullt equipment for them to get fully functioned , but thats for only used at the best rank at Abyss or you want to having maximum difficult for Elysian Realm that its not your priority , because you can also having maximum reward weekly without highest difficulty at Elysian Realm , if you are f2p dont feel to bad competiting too much for Abyss , since you are left behind 8 years , you are not gonna have a chance , until you finally managed to catch up after having some of new character banner fully equipped.
Most of the game content is having trial character , so you dont have worry to much for building character.
@@Klops_ID oh wow thanks for the info! yea i won't lie i tried my best to keep playing cuz i really wanted to like the game but i just cant :( also cuz it was hard to know what to do. that guy i mentioned before really helped a lot to help enjoy the game cuz i "kinda" knew what i was doing at that point
There is sensei cadet system. HI3 have global chat lobby. So you can real time chat in lobby. Use it. Channel 1 usually the most active. Lots of old player there.
Mostly my friends who are bad at saving strategy scream that the game is dead.
Truth right here man. Strategic pulling for gachas and resources management are the most important aspect of Hi3, knowing what your acc needs are and how to prioritize is key. 50% of being good at Hi3 is knowing how to manage these multiple different currencies/resources effectively.
@@disciplinaryblessing People don't understand that they can't get every character. 🤦♂️ I always save until guaranteed.
I think I knew gacha CC who always saying hi3 is dead/dying for some reason also they and their mods convince their chat to not playing hi3
Love you, i will be a Honkai fan till DEATH❤
Also, I would love them to include male battlesuits and Spanish Version❤
even now biggest issue in hi3rd is the fact valks don't feel usable without their weapons 😭 but it's a problem that existed in part 1 as well. However the thing I love about part 2 is every valk can be dps and support. You can basically switch the leader in wheel of destiny team and cover most of the content in the game.
Not, I still use Path of acheron for Horb and without any of her signatue stigma. But I still can get better score on abyss.
so your opinion about Part 1 valk can't be play without their signature weapon isn't accurate.
I agree.
@@RaykinaBreakerthey just said it feels that way. jeez
@@RaykinaBreaker Now do that with your DPS and see your points crumble to dust. They're the most affected units by not having their weapon, especially if Valks like Thelema gain 3 seconds of timestop because of it.
I'm starting to think Bangboo Labs is an actual thing, like it's a 3d Printer or something
You forgot one thing: the 200 pulls for gear do not carry over pity, but the 60 pulls now do.
on the merch side, there was a pretty big influx of merch in the last year or so. offhand, i bought the Senadina yo-yo, the Razer Kishi v2 with Mobius Skin(it went quick) and the Hyte y40 Songque case.
Sensor tower for SEA is kinda whack since me and armada mates usually top ups with CodaShop cause its easier and no TAX, which those estimate servers doesnt calculate
I'm a screenwriter and I've been thinking.
Should I write a second eruption tv show adaption?
as a published author, *_yes, absolutely. Do it Now._*
@@Raikeran I'm writing my first movie and I love the second eruption so I will after my first movie is completely written.
@@Raikeran
Jesus Christ bless mine and others souls.
Because I'm going to make this happen I will write it then i'll pitch it after film school.
(Need film school for the experience I need to get myself accepted as director.)
@@jyahnarastartes i'd honestly love to see Honkai 3rd's story implemented more often in a TV or animated short format. you got this!
My expirience as someone who decided to start the playing the game from part 2 was pretty ok. I kinda understood the story because despite not reading the story of first part I watched a lot of videos about it so I have a general understanding of it, still part 2 story didn't really catch me, it was okay but nothing special for me. The combat was pretty fun, would probably be more fun if Prometheus wasn't the only good valkyrie I had. What made me quit was the gacha system, I'm not sure, maybe I did something wrong or what but the amount of currency I got was miniscule compared to the amount of time I spend in the game, like after 3-3,5 month of playing the game I didn't even have 1 character pity, combine that with seeing all other people have fun playing units who I wanted to play too and it just stopped being fun.
But people who think HI3 is dying are delusional(lol), it's the golden child of Hoyo, they won't let it just die, not even talking about how many players I saw in HSR subreddit wanting to play the game after Sparkle.
it's dying. they changed the weapon gacha, they removed the off rate taking out your chance to get a gear from your gearless valkyrie and to raise your collection rating and also now requires you to complete the 60 pull guarantee unless miracle happens.
and since part 2 started, valkyrie releases are just S rank gacha only valkyries and Sparkle will be the 7th streak S rank gacha release. no more A, SP ranks and farmable S ranks.
Part 2 also made Part 1 valkyries almost irrelevant. it is a huge turn off for us veterans
I was expecting this from their part 2. They did great with Genshin, I hope they can implement it gradually with Part 2 updates. Like making gradual adjustments for all older valkyrie and gears along the way, maybe 2 or 3 sets per patch to fix the dogshit balancing they've been running throught those years.
But alas, looks like I was expecting too much from them 😂.
Another thing to add is that instead of pushing ENTIRELY new units, them going back and giving astral ring to S rank valkyries from the end of part 1/APHO (HORB Seele, HOTR Bronya, SW Bronya, etc) as they just did with Kiana HOFI battle suit is a good direction. That way these not *super* old but pre-part 2 units can have even more synergies with new part 2 units. Sushang has yet to be powercrept because she is that good. They could always give Sushang astral ring even if she doesn't need it. It would create for more uses for the Valk also (she's still busted).
it is a nice feature that the characters aren't lock to spacific teams and can synergize with each other now. But what are your thoughts on them releasing new gear for old characters to make them more compatible with the newer ones?
Hoyo is still mantaining GGZ in JP and CN (And they recently did a Bandori MyGo collab which was a huge hit in china), if GGZ isnt closing down any time soon, HI3 is gonna be just fine lol
12:38 This is very true. As a native spanish speaker, I wish that Hoyo could localize HI3 in spanish. Even if I know english, it is far more comfortable to read something in your native language. People from spanish speaking countries are definitely interested in HI3 story and lore but can't get into the game because their language isn't supported.
I'll continue playing the game as I'm still enjoying the story in part 2.
heres an idea on the wind. I had totally forgotten that you need to be level 30 to start part 2. I believe that part 2, although a bit overbearing on information at the start, all of it is fairly disconnected to part 1 still. what hoyo need to do is change the starter BP that gives a...what was it the last time I saw, a Senti? into a part 2 character or a part 1 with a astral ring, like they are doing with the new divine key. add a cherry on top with a voucher that you can purchase to level yourself to 30, something simple like a $5 thing, and you have a great formula to bridge new players. They recently increased the stamina cap, but not sure if its available from the start. that would help tons in reaching lvl 30 faster, but you are still lacking options of using that stamina to lvl up early.
at the end of the day, the cosmology has always been the trump card in all this. when Genshin gets revealed as kiana's dream, Vita becoming an Aeon and the ultimate villain threating all games at the same time, Hi3 will keep rising from the grave (just a saying, not like i feel it dead). Heck, even when all this spaghetti hits the fan someday, you can still just chill away from it all while sipping on a juice box on ZZZ. Overall I say its a great time for mihoyo to thrive, and all games will benefit from it one way or another, including theirs and our beloved Honkai Impact.
also...16,161 views at the 16 hour mark. niiice
Such a great video, nice work Homu!
I know we are not there yet but I think part 2 should make Animated shorts because those and manga really kept the game popular.
for now my only complaint is the fuel we need to farm for old stigmata, i mean it took me almost one and half year just to craft g4 fire stigmata for fu hua garuda battlesuit
like we need them to increase the amount we get from farming or make the amount needed for crafting less
wonder if anyone is the same as me:
played until end of ER(ely HOH), quit, found out recently that P2 is out for about a year and story is getting long enough to be enjoyable.
Returned on a fresh account and played thru P2 from first chapter to current chapter without pause, was a great experience.
Currently slowly catching up on part1 storyline and plan to push P1 story past HoH and see what happens afterward.
The gacha is insane. On just the $5 monthly, I've got every part 2 character and gear. I even splurged on the current spending event to get the 'free' Kiana, and I'm still in pretty good shape for Sparkle.
thanks u for this vid. ppl complaining about p2 gacha have no idea how horrible p1 was (here i still don't have HoTr weapon even pulling it more than 100 times). i also remember always skipping the cool s rank cuz there was a new sp "support" support that if u didn't have u was done for. p2 valk can also be support and dps giving them much more value and longevity than any p1 chars
I'm surpised that there are even some people that prefer the part 1 gacha or that it was better then now. Which I feel like is objectively wrong. But anyways, I have been waiting for HI3 to be awesome again for way too long, finally it seems my wish will be fullfilled starting from the next update, they are cooking hard
Honestly i like the leaderboards because it feels like there is a place and a reason to use the characters that i either spent time or money to get. What else is there to do in Genshin after clearing abyss with one hand while eating a sandwich.
Wuthering waves makes me use both hands but after i get my rewards there isn’t a place to use my characters. The biggest difference between Wuwa and Genshin is that i can feel my hard work as my rotations improve in Wuwa versus my one-handed Genshin account.
In Honkai impact 3rd i can compete against other players who also enjoy getting to scores. It’s absolutely unnecessary but i still like it. Honkai Impact rotations always are the same and we all use the same strats mostly but it feels good when i get 3 points higher than someone especially when there is a disparity between our accounts. Maybe i’m alone but that’s how i feel.
I'm very glad that the thumbnail clarified the person saying nobody cares was a fake fan. I woukd have had trouble with that on my own.
Thanks for explaining the whole thing! Man there was some insight at some part and some part I do agree. I cannot say that "this is not true, this is wrong" Cause I'm an on off player (as a broke person hi3 requirement is still high 😂) so there is a lot that I'm missing about.
From I see, part 2 give us something refreshing and some habbit change.
But there is that impact me the most:
1. Gacha: yes, I could say the gacha is sucks but after the explanation it kind of the meh way. Probably most of the player (and me) is usually getting the weapon and that's it. Since wep is the important one rather than the stigs. So when new gacha system introduce it kind of feeling that stigs isn't much valuable anymore and cannot put to other valks (probably in the future we can get, but I doubt it). This is kind of different with part 2 gacha. But well it probably have slight difference, also depens on the person. But it help us complete faster and spend more less ( for average player that wanted to get full gear). Char banner it's as it's.
2. The lite program... IT HELP ME SO MUCH, so complete for daily and everything else is so much faster. Yes the time of playing is much shorter but with times right now, like people getting busy is like the perfect time. To stay relevant for me
There is something that can be add on:
- probably releasing more subs, I doubt for dub one. Cause it maybe need to expand more resources
- adding new A valks would be helpfull. But with new wep systems this isn't worth it at some degree.
I'm going to re-start HI3rd soon( I used to play a while ago , but didn't pay any attention to the story , so I'm starting over to read the story )
I quit cause after a major release update, and a 3 month break, I lost everything, which included three herrscher team at near max limit breaks. I just couldn't find myself playing again.
Guys, I need help. Earlier this year, I lost access to playing hi3rd (maybe due to my region, I live in middle east). I picked up a VPN, and then I tried launching the game again, I put out my account information, and it reset my account like it's a new account. Can someone plz suggest to me what should I do in this case.
“Honkai is dead” has already been around since 2019. People would say that as long as they have personally lost interest on the game and just wanted their collective to be in agreement.
Even if I no longer play due to storage reasons (yes. I have storage reasons stop.) I will still forever come back to HI3. This is my main game. Game that raised me. It will always have a special place in my heart.
I will be coming back soon though because STORY. Back when Part 1 ended I actually thought about leaving but then I thought about it and I decided to give Part 2 a chance.
I just wamna say thank you homu 🙏
Heya, quick question, is Sparkle going to return and be farmable, or is she a limited collab, Vita drained me frfr
I can agree with many points in this video.
Also i did start playing Hi3 around HoT release but bc of no pc launcher and bad controls on smartphone emulator back in the days i dropped it.
After HSR got released i make a new account (a little over 1year ago now) and startet playing the whole story which is to this date my fav story with characters followed by HSR and GI.
I think being burned out is understandable so unless ur a collector or meta player u can take ur time playing it. I myself sometimes only play the new story after its fully released or even later if u want so its about pacing urself imo.
The new gacha of part 2 is rly helpful as u metnioned with only needing the unit and if ur lucky the weapon since the rest can be craftet cheaply now.
The powercreep is "annoying" but each gacha has those some worse and some better than others.
And bc of the current HI3 story with Sparkle or maybe for HSR with Penacony's story with Acheron and Welt many ppl will show interest in Hi3 (maybe or personally i hope so) to play the story or see at least the connection.
When i finished Part 1 with Kiana, which was the main reason i startet the game, i also felt kinda ok its kinda over but had enough interest to continue reading the story which itself was a good choice. Even though part 2 is kinda confusing currently so i hope ur back to full healt soon to make more lore vidoes Homu xD
The game isnt dying. But to neglect the shortcomings of the game is a serious issue in the community, to the point you either have players who refuse to listen to any criticism, or others who doompost every time they come online.
1) it is significantly more difficult to pick up signature weapons. Source prism was handled very poorly at the beginning. The devs should have been more transparent about the removal of A ranks.
There feels to be a lot of calls back to PT 1 lore in hopes for PT 1 players to return, and it feels cheap. The wide reception of the Seele and Fu Hua arcs were negatively received. Followed by going straight into PT 2 story which a lot of players didnt even give a chance to. I felt like the story itself was good. But the pacing and introduction could not have been worse. Way too much exposition dumps and telling the player how to feel and whats happening and how to play this character exactly with giant flashing buttons. And less of showing us this enormous, beautiful world. We are stuck in a tiny room with one machine in it with Coralie and Senadina and we have over 40 minutes of just the characters asking who each other are and whats going on...instead of something that could have taken 2 minutes of a wide area shot and small video into a small fight to explain the stakes.
After doing that for hours, i ran out of patience. Which has never happened in any other game ive played since the PS2. I didnt care who i was pulling for because i coulent be asked to continue the story with how bad the pacing was. I just got them because they were meta. But then another meta S rank came out. And another. And another. And then another. And no more A ranks. Then people are hype about Vita. Who i think literally looks like Rita, but with a giant mech.
Seele and Prometheus just feel so much better to play than PT2 characters. Each PT2 character felt so clunky and forced. You could tell the devs wanted to do more, but they had pushed themselves into a box with combat.
So i left. I have really great memories of honkai. And i dont think the story is bad, or the gacha, and i dont think the game is dying. But there are some serious pacing issues, and the devs just lack communication.
I left before something i loved turned into a regret. I still have 2 Da wei cards unused on the account, and every character 4/4 up until Songque. Who i couldnt have cared for whatsoever. Almost came back for Teriri, my favorite character in hi3 of all time. But i cant be asked. Not when ive spent thousands in money and time and feel like that time just wasnt respected in terms of limited story rewards and pacing.
I was thinking a few times about going back to Hi3 but then I remember that I either need to pull on every unit or just give up on end game
I don't mind video such as these, pretty cool to listen to
Another thing that contribute to the "game is dying" is the lack of animation movie shorts.
What's the factor for why we haven't see 'animated shorts' for Part 2? Is the revenue? not enough budget or...?
honkai is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more popular in china than globally so yea its not going anywhere GGZ is still there too, honkai GGZ are passion project for hoyo
Can someone tell me where Can I find HI3 part 2 explained or gameplay guide because I don't understand everything about part 2.I am returning captain.I want to understand part 2 story or new combat.
I was podcasting the video but had to stop work, open the comment section and leave a comment to say YES!!! HAVING A ROSTER OF ALL FEMALE PLAYABLE CHARECTERS IN A GAME SO INTERESTING AS HONKAI IMPACT 3RD IS A MAJOR LET DOWN!!! Now, lets keep listening.
I enjoy Honkai Impact 3rd a lot, it brings a lot more to the table than other gacha games, like difficulty and strategy. I've never really needed to look up a video on how to play team lineups in Genshin/Star Rail, while in HI3rd, I feel as if I fail if I don't and I really do enjoy the challenge. I feel like new players especially now are so overwhelmed, and I totally get it. I never encourage my friends to give it a try unless they're really dedicated to playing and stuff.
Do I think Part 2 did great? I LOVED the immersiveness of the story and even better cutscenes and such. However, I think they're biggest fall off was not adding English dub for part 2 valks (and story) if they were truly aiming to gain more players through this new part of the story. It would've been so good to finally have something fresh and new ontop of the graphic overhaul of many things.
Another thing, I got sort of impatient with the QoL that they're FINALLY doing, many of these things could've been brought so much sooner. Some friends of mine that used to be super interested in the game got very sick of similar gameplay every week and having to do some things became a chore. It has been a lot better recently and I actually spend more time on the game now more than ever.
I'll always have a special place in my heart for HI3rd because the story is chef's kiss and you can tell that the people who make content and such for this game really do care and love what they do. I'm dedicated to staying until the end!
The thing is hi3 is in a reaaaally weird spot in terms of its perception of audience popularity, speaking as a captain for 6 years as well as someone who regularly plays like 5 other gacha accs, compared to literally every gacha hi3 has it the most confusing.
Its very much far from dying as stated from the points of the video but another big reason is that its super popular for a gacha, although interestingly enough the actual playerbase might be way lower than the perceived audience as might be observed by the decline in gameplay views as well as the continuing drought of gameplay related posts anywhere other than the already established bois like marisa. So essentially alot of its popularity nowadays just comes from consuming lore tidbits online rather than ingame, but that same popularity also gives incentive for people to actually start the game (tho alot might not stick because of the points given in the video) but they will most likely still be a fan of the story and the characters and will still boost the games traction and such.
also also another thing id like to add to the points given, and thats the budget stuff being seemingly cut for various things in p2 like no more voiced bday letters now(i still miss the bday cgs) as well as no more dedicated animation (which was the biggest thing bringing new players in) until the recent one with hanakle and vita for their collab, its a kinda small thing and some of the budget probably went to the scenery in p2 open world instead but its still something that i think has a bit of an effect in this
5:05 Glad to see that meme isn't dying anytime soon lmao
Amazing video Homu!
Homu, did you find out wtf is that red glow at minute 5:22? i went back and forth just like you and never found out rofl
I really want to play Honkai Impact 3rd again but I don't want to start over with a new account. My account is built with almost all the Herschers. I recently residence to a different country and changed phones and I actually want to try the PC version but I can't log into my account on both the new phone and PC. So I just mainly watch and read content about Honkai Impact instead to keep myself updated
They should never remove the leaderboard. It's the reason people are having fun and are driven to become better.
That's why tiers/rank exist. Even the rank malus of crystals is forgettable between the 3 big ranks
Meh, i think like 5% of the players care that much. What everyone wants is crystals and players either desire a good story or fun gameplay (or both). The leaderboards are something i like as well, i just don't think "it's the reason people are having fun".
I was alway in the position of, keep the leaderboard but remove all the rewards from leaderboards. This ways people who actually cares about competition can still compete and thos who don't care loose nothijg.
They can simply redistribute the rewarda on other activities.
@@diazpramudita5165 what's the point of competition if you don't win more than the others who do not even try? That's unfair for competitors
@@RoccusTerminal When I was restart impacting for position in Lotus / Myriad / Nirvana / MA, I wasn't aiming for the reward. People who really are competitive, doesn't care about those little difference in Crystal / Emblem etc, by removing them from the reward pool we facilitate more gameplay variety, ease of character's kit design by the dev, as well as non-competitive players can enjoy the game the way they want it without missing on premium currency or rare mats.
As for the question, you can start on Google to find answer to that question.
The Sparkle vs Vita trailer came out today, and as non HSR player I'm absolutely confuse. Who is Sparkle and what is her actual power is. Homu's Sparkle explanation video didn't quite help. It no longer "Do you have to play HI3 to understand HSR", but the other way around
Idk how much this matters but the Astral Ring system obliterating the part 1 valkyries and their gear also makes the battle pass feel like it has low value.
yeah, the astral ring pretty much decimate all part 1 valkyrie team
Good video as usual, discussing all related issue and make it clear some hindsight. Theres one thing that you didnt really bring up because maybe you thought you dont need to since already discussed on previous video, which is putting hsr collab in current hi3 state.
Consider hi3 current problems you brings up, its make sense they had to put hsr collab this time to regain hi3 traffic and retain the playerbase. On previous video when you said they put this collab at strange situation during current story build up it even proving the point that from hoyo perspective after calculating those issue they need to initiate something, forcing the game to have weird pacing with upcoming collab.
Thing that most likely could happen, sparkle will bring surge amount of player considering hsr currently in "filler" pace before new planet so some sparkle fans would spent on hi3 instead. Its not a coincidence hi3 sparkle will available in same pacing during hsr final filler patch before entering new planet, which more proving the fact that this collab is smart move by hoyo in managing their products.