would love to see a 'first sports car for people in their 20s' kinda video from you JB! upto £10k or so, but still able to have some fun with decent power :)
That's gtrat! Thanks for all the time and research you put into your vids. Can you do one on the Cayman convertible vs the Boxster, both the S and non S versions? Especially the 987 and 986 boxster. I don't understand the difference between the Boxster and Cayman.
Yes. Now you are talking. Ah yes, A MX5 NC on lowering springs and 25 mm good quality spacers and become smitten, You will find every excuse to take it out for a spin. How does it compare with a RCZ. Well. They are different. One is a full roadster just flick the top open in 2 seconds when the sun comes out. It’s a priceless extra that the RCZ cannot match ...
No no no, I owned three because I upgraded each one. But couldn’t get to the R level Now own an equally fantastic MX5 NC. And as for being a poor mans TT. Erm NO. They knock a TT dead for looks alone...FACT
RCZ-R owner here, owned mine from new, no real issues to speak of, though there are some specific issues to the R and some common issues across the range to be careful of. Brake calipers. These along with the 308 GTi 270 suffer the same issue, the pistons are mild steel so will over time rust, this causes them to stick and can cause excessive disc and pad wear, a relatively cheap fix is to replace the pistons with a stainless item, costs a couple of hundred quid, or send off for a full refurb for around £4-500. HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump). This is common across the 1.6thp range, its pot luck when they go, seen some go as little as 20k miles, others have done well over 100k miles with no issues. Dealer will charge you the best part of £800 for one, maybe cheaper from BMW (as its a BMW part) or Citroen. Reconditioned units are available for around a third of the price of a new one. Timing chain and tensioner. Another common issue across the 1.6thp range, one of two things you should never do if you get this problem is replace just the tensioner and never buy the cheap chinese kits. Original spec PSA or a kit recommended by a specialist are what you want to go for, you should always replace the full kit because the tensioner may be only a part of the problem as the guides may break down, hence you replace the lot. Will set you back £900-1000 from a dealer, £4-500 from a good specialist. Electronics. Not really a problem, the bulbs in the rear high level brake light can go, about £200 frim a dealer (the only place to get one really, avoid breakers yards for this part, they charge nearly the same for a part that could be as old as your car). Window regulator, not that common, dealers charge around £200 for a new one, oem for £50-60. Boot pops open when unlocking the car or opening the door. Another easy fix, caused by water ingress in the switch, either replace the switch or remove some interior trim, clean and use some wd40. Service parts. Brake Discs. Yes they are expensive, Peugeot want £1200 for the pair and £400 for the pads, good news is that they should last 50000 miles and that aftermarket pads are available for considerably less. Shop around, the discs can be had for £800ish for the Alcons, you cannot get them direct from Alcon though, so don"t waste your time. Tarox and Godspeed do cheaper replacement parts, £1000 for the Tarox and around £850 for Godspeed's. Sparkplugs. This 1.6thp 270 unit must be maintained to a high standard, skimp on the maintenance and you will have problems. Luckily its not that expensive compared to some cars out there, the spark plugs though, are replaced at every service, they add about £60-70 to the cost, the exact ones are only available from Peugeot. Other service items. The gearbox/diff oil is classed as "sealed for life", its not, that is just car manufacturers for you, its another cheap job, even from a dealer who will charge you £45-60 usually. Oil. You must use the correct spec and weight oil, don't skimp here either, abd do regular manual oil level checks, the 1.6thp is known to drink oil, if you rely on the electronic level indicator then expect the chance of big bills, mainly timing tensioners failing. Overall, the vast majority of owners love their R's, they are usually pampered but they will be getting to the stage where the odd ropey one pops up now and again, watch out for the cars that started life off as track cars, there were several companies running these as driver training vehicles. Standard tyres were Goodyear Eagle F1 Assy 2's, a decent spec tyre will be between £140-170 a corner, don"t buy cheap and get the tracking done every year as these are set quite agressively and can wear on the inside edge if not checked.
Really helpful summary! I definitely need to have a go in one of these one day, have you had a chance to trackday yours? I’d be interested to hear about how well they get on!
I've has an RCZ-R for a year now. Brilliant car. Looks amazing. Strangers just stare at it in admiration. The engine is great with a flat torque curve that pulls all the way to the red line. The handling is magical. I've had it up some twisty mountain roads. With minimal body roll and excellent damping, it makes it great to dirve. Don't knock it unless you've driven one.
VX220 Turbo. Faster than everything in your list. The most visceral driving experience. VED is cheap, MPG great for such a fast car and ULEZ compliant! OK it has no heater and you have to perform yoga to get in and out but with badge snobbery rife prices are great for one of the purest driving experiences you will ever have.
I'm 19 years old and live in the Midlands with a 2.0 hdi peugeot rcz and it's actually fairly cheap for insurance only costing £1300 with 1 years experience for a 163bhp car, also it's fun to drive something abit different to people my age. Would highly recommend
Would love to own an rcz one day, just that the thp 156 has some issues, although I’ve heard the thp 200 and 270 don’t suffer from the same problems I’m a bit scared to commit to one in fear of running costs for a soon 20 year old student. As far I graduate to a construction engineer it would be the perfect car for a graduation present. And maybe later have it as a second car alongside a 2015-2017 Citroën C5 Hydractive 3+
@@onelyone6976 I'm not too sure about the petrol's in all honesty as I went for the diesel but I havent had a single problem since owning it ! Really are great cars
I wouldn't call a £15k MX-5 underappreciated.... I guess that's why it was number 10 though. Although I still think a better fit would be something like a Honda S2000, or maybe a Vauxhall VX220.
I had the Rcz-r and can safely say was one of the best cars I had owned, was great to mpg/quick and comfortable to drive while still being fun. I regretted selling it but the front discs was astronomical to get repaired as they had lipped and put it this way two 380mm front discs cost more than me purchasing my current Jeep Wrangler ! But would love to get another !
A lot of these cars were on the shortlist last time I bought a car. Ended up buying a 370Z, but I'd also add the Audi TTS/TTRS to this list. Managed to get a quote for a TTRS roadster for £736 at 21 years old, which is mental for a 4.7 second 0-60 car!
That’s unreal on the TTRS, but congrats on the 370Z anyway! I’d have a TTRS as my next car potentially, can’t turn down a turbocharged inline 5... we shall see
Good selection. I was considering the jag xk but opted for the Porsche Cayman 987 base, both on your list but a lower variant because these ones were cheaper to run and the 2.7 engine in the Porsche did not suffer from the ims issue and bore scoring as much
@@CarsWithJB I'll be buying a MK2 MPS in the coming months so once covid restrictions are relaxed etc I'll send you a message and feel free to do a review on it
bought an rcz r in 2018, just sold it for £3k more than I bought it, even though its done 20k more miles, rare and fairly desirable to anyone who wants something fast, surprisingly practical and unusual
If your shopping in the price band. Take a basic ODB2 scanner, check it for codes. If there are any you have a great negotiation position, and you may get money off
Agree about the Jag. Had a 5.0 and it was wonderful. Surely the roof remains a persistent worry on the SLK? And it’s gearbox let’s down the driving experience - perhaps why it’s under rated. Great content as always JB
Totally agree slk55 amg .I've had two 911s I now own the slk55 I paid around 25k for a very low mileage example some five years ago it wipes the floor with both 911s and is actually still digesting my mates boxter. Great vid.
Little engine cars can produce a lot of power with a decent turbo. The more the power is used will cause the engine to have a short life. I drive a luxury saloon with a decent engine, superchargers and 380bhp. This is a car can not to be driven at full tilt very often, not because the car can't take it but because you can't drive on today's roads and stay alive for long. There is always something faster, always an idiot trying to push
I really like the 944 but lots of problems, S2000 I found a bit wallowy/disengaged to drive but I also like it, the EP3 Type R probs has one of the best long term values but not a fan of the shape, so in the immediate term it’d be the GT86, but I wouldn’t keep it for long!
@@CarsWithJB Thanks for the reply sir. I was actually considering the ep3 and the gt86 for when I leave uni. if I was to get the GT86 I would k swap it later down the line. or do i wait for the GR86 as the engine seems to solve the torque problems of the GT86. Thanks again.
I think we’re spoiled on cars, I think all cars are underrated for speed, a 0-60 in 6 seconds feels quick when you’re in it, not seat pinning but I think people but too much emphasis on speed over fun, a sub 4 0-60 is cool to show off but I’d rather have handling
Yeah with you there for sure - there are some very cool cars out there that provide amazing driving experiences without necessarily having to be rapid!
The Alfa Romeo Brera got my vote here, since I think it deserves the praise that Giulia/Stelvio have today, even more the Brera is a 2 Door Hatchback and sexy as well Seen all of the cars in this list in my country, but none the Brera The price of all the cars here combined is at the same price of a brand new Honda CRV, definitely buy any of the cars here in a heart beat
As a 981 Cayman S owner, if the 987 gets half the attention mine gets then I couldn't put it on any "underrated" list...I'll shut up about the GS eventually but that's definitely underrated (except by me...I probably drag the average "ratedness" up quite a lot ☺). Definitely agreed on the NC MX-5 though and, as a Pug fanboy, I'd love an RCZ-R if I could just find one. Also agreed on the fun > fast analysis on the GT86. For example, an F13 M6 is stupid fast and entirely not fun. Drove that between the GS and 981 so it's probably not a bad car, but using those for perspective it's awful. Edit XKR is great but you have to budget well over £1000 a year on tyres and have a big pool of cash in case it goes wrong. I briefly considered one.
Haha that’s the thing - I don’t think a 987 would get any attention whatsoever, but I think it’s a beaut still - the RCZ-R is definitely my top pick from this, such a decent offering considering, especially that interior, the seats are nuts!
@@CarsWithJB I didn't think a 981 would get much attention but I can't park outside Screwfix without someone giving me a wave and a thumbs up ☺ The RCZ-R is just so sexy...
I personally I don't recommend any used petrol cars with Turbos and superchargers one Turbos go , they can ruin an Engine , you cant blow up something your car does not have
Brera: £3000 for A TIMING CHAIN? WHAT????? The hell, is it gold plated or something? RC-Z: Very pretty car. XKR: Late ones are brutal, not recommended for amateurs. XK probably make you feel less on edge.
15k for these cars is a lot!! I recently bought a vectra 2007 V6 Turbo Petrol 250BHP for a £1000 as a daily which would keep up with most of these also I would like to add I'm 23 and it's only £60 a month to insure
I'm looking to get a Boxster once I pass (driving lessons cancelled due to lockdown) and am just wondering, what made you choose the Cayman over the Boxster? Thanks.
The RCZ seems to get a lot of love, but I personally hate the damn things. If you drive one (and not just look at one). you will understand why people call them an ALDI TT. The GT86 is a nice car let down by it's wheezy engine, low rent interior, and I wasn't that impressed with the handling either. The Volvo is a brave pill, the ALFA is beautiful inside & out, but not much of a performer. Quite like the Scirocco, decent quality. The Cayman would be my choice, superb in every way. Mate, you're dreaming if you think a 370Z can live with a Caterham on a trackday !!! Maybe a superb driver in the Nissan against a real novice in the Caterham, yes but like for like, not a chance. The Merc is a nice cruiser, too heavy to have fun in though. Jag is not that quick for the power output it has.
No worries mate I’m getting a z4 35i Manual soon when lockdowns lifted turning it into a track weapon/summer cruiser going to fit the gt3 kit more powerful turbo etc. You’ll be more than welcome to use it in any vids if you want when I get it. Should hope to have it fully useable by summer next year.
A while ago you did a vid of upgrading your polo seats I have the same polo and realy want to do the same could you give me some hellp please on where to search mabye I've looked everywhere I can think of
@@CarsWithJB Yes it's a common fault for all models. Great looking car, but fraught with so many engine and electrical faults. Way to many to list. Avoid them if you like to save money.
May be cheap to insure, but this dude needs to highlight the cost of the road tax. All well and good paying £10k a car if you’re gonna pay £630 in tax per year alone. That’s why they’re cheap
I've got one. You're talking shite mate. More GT than sports car I'd say, it's like a steel fist in a velvet glove. 360bhp, hand built V8, 2006, 43k mile FSH and mint, paid £15k last January, it's a keeper.
LOl, is that the best you can do? My wife is Scottish as am I, been together for years and years. I venture your wife is a box of tissues! @@maxparsons4513
@@CarsWithJB all good broski, hope you're well and I'm eager on the next supercar video update, love the insight and I wish you the best in that regard.
@@mozubzy4103 appreciate it man! It’s coming slowly, just trying to get my priorities in order and working out whether house buying is gunna happen soon 👀
You can get older models for much cheaper 🙂 A 15 or 10 year old car could be under £7k, it all just depends. There are Mercedes, Mazda and BMW for 2k to 5k from 2003 to 2008.
The rcz is definelly underrated
Looks great with that french styling and probably drives great too
Yeah the interior absolutely gets me, not the dashboard but the seats 🤙🏽
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They do drive great, Actually they are 100% underrated
But it says Peugeot 🤮
would love to see a 'first sports car for people in their 20s' kinda video from you JB! upto £10k or so, but still able to have some fun with decent power :)
I love these kinds of vids so another will come soon!
That's gtrat! Thanks for all the time and research you put into your vids. Can you do one on the Cayman convertible vs the Boxster, both the S and non S versions? Especially the 987 and 986 boxster. I don't understand the difference between the Boxster and Cayman.
The original Jaguar Xkr could have be on this list but it is not as reliable but it is cheaper and cheaper to insure!
Yeah I do like the original, a future classic IMO!
And the 4.0 road tax is £330.....
love u
The NC Mx-5 needs serious set of lowering springs 🤣
Haha and a good set of alloys 🤦🏽♂️
Yes. Now you are talking. Ah yes, A MX5 NC on lowering springs and 25 mm good quality spacers and become smitten, You will find every excuse to take it out for a spin. How does it compare with a RCZ. Well. They are different. One is a full roadster just flick the top open in 2 seconds when the sun comes out. It’s a priceless extra that the RCZ cannot match ...
I have owned several Peugeot RCZ. One of them a limited edition “ magnetic “ Fantastic cars ...
That great to hear! I’m definitely interested to give the R a go
They look clean, clutch is insanely high tho apparently
If they were that good you’d have only owned 1!!! In reality they’re a poor man’s Audi TT!!!
No no no, I owned three because I upgraded each one. But couldn’t get to the R level Now own an equally fantastic MX5 NC. And as for being a poor mans TT. Erm NO. They knock a TT dead for looks alone...FACT
@@CarsWithJB Go for it The “ R “ is the one to buy If you have that sort of cash ….
RCZ-R owner here, owned mine from new, no real issues to speak of, though there are some specific issues to the R and some common issues across the range to be careful of.
Brake calipers. These along with the 308 GTi 270 suffer the same issue, the pistons are mild steel so will over time rust, this causes them to stick and can cause excessive disc and pad wear, a relatively cheap fix is to replace the pistons with a stainless item, costs a couple of hundred quid, or send off for a full refurb for around £4-500.
HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump).
This is common across the 1.6thp range, its pot luck when they go, seen some go as little as 20k miles, others have done well over 100k miles with no issues.
Dealer will charge you the best part of £800 for one, maybe cheaper from BMW (as its a BMW part) or Citroen. Reconditioned units are available for around a third of the price of a new one.
Timing chain and tensioner.
Another common issue across the 1.6thp range, one of two things you should never do if you get this problem is replace just the tensioner and never buy the cheap chinese kits.
Original spec PSA or a kit recommended by a specialist are what you want to go for, you should always replace the full kit because the tensioner may be only a part of the problem as the guides may break down, hence you replace the lot. Will set you back £900-1000 from a dealer, £4-500 from a good specialist.
Electronics.
Not really a problem, the bulbs in the rear high level brake light can go, about £200 frim a dealer (the only place to get one really, avoid breakers yards for this part, they charge nearly the same for a part that could be as old as your car).
Window regulator, not that common, dealers charge around £200 for a new one, oem for £50-60.
Boot pops open when unlocking the car or opening the door.
Another easy fix, caused by water ingress in the switch, either replace the switch or remove some interior trim, clean and use some wd40.
Service parts.
Brake Discs. Yes they are expensive, Peugeot want £1200 for the pair and £400 for the pads, good news is that they should last 50000 miles and that aftermarket pads are available for considerably less.
Shop around, the discs can be had for £800ish for the Alcons, you cannot get them direct from Alcon though, so don"t waste your time.
Tarox and Godspeed do cheaper replacement parts, £1000 for the Tarox and around £850 for Godspeed's.
Sparkplugs.
This 1.6thp 270 unit must be maintained to a high standard, skimp on the maintenance and you will have problems.
Luckily its not that expensive compared to some cars out there, the spark plugs though, are replaced at every service, they add about £60-70 to the cost, the exact ones are only available from Peugeot.
Other service items.
The gearbox/diff oil is classed as "sealed for life", its not, that is just car manufacturers for you, its another cheap job, even from a dealer who will charge you £45-60 usually.
Oil.
You must use the correct spec and weight oil, don't skimp here either, abd do regular manual oil level checks, the 1.6thp is known to drink oil, if you rely on the electronic level indicator then expect the chance of big bills, mainly timing tensioners failing.
Overall, the vast majority of owners love their R's, they are usually pampered but they will be getting to the stage where the odd ropey one pops up now and again, watch out for the cars that started life off as track cars, there were several companies running these as driver training vehicles.
Standard tyres were Goodyear Eagle F1 Assy 2's, a decent spec tyre will be between £140-170 a corner, don"t buy cheap and get the tracking done every year as these are set quite agressively and can wear on the inside edge if not checked.
Really helpful summary! I definitely need to have a go in one of these one day, have you had a chance to trackday yours? I’d be interested to hear about how well they get on!
@@CarsWithJB I've not taken mine on track but some R owners I know have, they were pretty impressed with the way the car handled 😁
Wow the Alfa Brera never fails to amaze me with its looks each time I see it. Love it!
Always a stunner!
I've has an RCZ-R for a year now. Brilliant car. Looks amazing. Strangers just stare at it in admiration. The engine is great with a flat torque curve that pulls all the way to the red line. The handling is magical. I've had it up some twisty mountain roads. With minimal body roll and excellent damping, it makes it great to dirve. Don't knock it unless you've driven one.
I still have my RCZ R! It’s now being put away as I believe it will be a future classic. I LOVE IT! Such fun to drive!
Love my NC MX5, makes a great sound with the intake pipe connected to the cabin and handles fantastically
I really like them too particularly in their final facelift form!
Good luck if you buy the Nissan, they charged me £599 15 years ago for an oil seal
VX220 Turbo. Faster than everything in your list. The most visceral driving experience. VED is cheap, MPG great for such a fast car and ULEZ compliant! OK it has no heater and you have to perform yoga to get in and out but with badge snobbery rife prices are great for one of the purest driving experiences you will ever have.
I'm 19 years old and live in the Midlands with a 2.0 hdi peugeot rcz and it's actually fairly cheap for insurance only costing £1300 with 1 years experience for a 163bhp car, also it's fun to drive something abit different to people my age. Would highly recommend
You’ve definitely done well at 19!
Would love to own an rcz one day, just that the thp 156 has some issues, although I’ve heard the thp 200 and 270 don’t suffer from the same problems I’m a bit scared to commit to one in fear of running costs for a soon 20 year old student. As far I graduate to a construction engineer it would be the perfect car for a graduation present. And maybe later have it as a second car alongside a 2015-2017 Citroën C5 Hydractive 3+
@@onelyone6976 I'm not too sure about the petrol's in all honesty as I went for the diesel but I havent had a single problem since owning it ! Really are great cars
I wouldn't call a £15k MX-5 underappreciated....
I guess that's why it was number 10 though. Although I still think a better fit would be something like a Honda S2000, or maybe a Vauxhall VX220.
Definitely should have had the VX220 in this vid - dunno how I forgot!
@@CarsWithJB Because it's so underappreciated ;)
5:33 you can also get them in awd which is cool
Yes well spotted with the Q4 spec, which would absolutely slap!
My dad has the Xkr, it's in liquid silver and from 2009 what 420hp beast
Yeah they really are sick!
C30 T5 owner here, never had any issues in the 2 years owning it.. amazing car and the sound is just amazing!
It’s so funny how I’ve been into the RCZ recently legit looking for videos on it....then here comes king JB with the video! Great content as always!
Haha appreciate it man! I’m actually very impressed by the RCZ-R, would love a go in one in the future
I had the Rcz-r and can safely say was one of the best cars I had owned, was great to mpg/quick and comfortable to drive while still being fun. I regretted selling it but the front discs was astronomical to get repaired as they had lipped and put it this way two 380mm front discs cost more than me purchasing my current Jeep Wrangler ! But would love to get another !
Oh mad that’s actually insane repair costs! But definitely a very cool car either way
I love that the narration is so fast. Just getting it out, no frills
A lot of these cars were on the shortlist last time I bought a car. Ended up buying a 370Z, but I'd also add the Audi TTS/TTRS to this list. Managed to get a quote for a TTRS roadster for £736 at 21 years old, which is mental for a 4.7 second 0-60 car!
That’s unreal on the TTRS, but congrats on the 370Z anyway! I’d have a TTRS as my next car potentially, can’t turn down a turbocharged inline 5... we shall see
I like how you pronounced Subaru. Made me smile 😊
Haha I worked at a Japanese investment bank for around a year, and they all got annoyed when I said ‘sooberoo’ so I’ve tried to say it properly!
Great topic ! Great video! Top man JB! Legend. Hope you're well. Congrats on the sponsor 👊🏻👊🏻
Cheers Ethan, appreciate it!
Good selection. I was considering the jag xk but opted for the Porsche Cayman 987 base, both on your list but a lower variant because these ones were cheaper to run and the 2.7 engine in the Porsche did not suffer from the ims issue and bore scoring as much
Yeah the 2.7 is definitely the more reliable engine in the pre-facelift lot! Very nice car either way 🤙🏽
Honestly surprised the Mazda 3 MPS isn't included in this video
That’s a great shout - another car I really like!
@@CarsWithJB I'll be buying a MK2 MPS in the coming months so once covid restrictions are relaxed etc I'll send you a message and feel free to do a review on it
What about the BMW 130i or 135i...?
bought an rcz r in 2018, just sold it for £3k more than I bought it, even though its done 20k more miles, rare and fairly desirable to anyone who wants something fast, surprisingly practical and unusual
If your shopping in the price band. Take a basic ODB2 scanner, check it for codes. If there are any you have a great negotiation position, and you may get money off
Not a rear door in sight 😂. I have a soft spot for the RCZ. Deserved more love.
Haha so do I strangely, the R in particular is really enticing
@@CarsWithJB same as the MB CLC. Especially the 3.5. I love a left field option
Wearing Gymshark and sponsored by Surfshark
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You know how it be - keeping fit and keeping wealthy
Agree about the Jag. Had a 5.0 and it was wonderful. Surely the roof remains a persistent worry on the SLK? And it’s gearbox let’s down the driving experience - perhaps why it’s under rated. Great content as always JB
Totally agree slk55 amg .I've had two 911s I now own the slk55 I paid around 25k for a very low mileage example some five years ago it wipes the floor with both 911s and is actually still digesting my mates boxter. Great vid.
Little engine cars can produce a lot of power with a decent turbo. The more the power is used will cause the engine to have a short life. I drive a luxury saloon with a decent engine, superchargers and 380bhp. This is a car can not to be driven at full tilt very often, not because the car can't take it but because you can't drive on today's roads and stay alive for long. There is always something faster, always an idiot trying to push
what luxury saloon do you have?
Lets goo road to 100k baby!!! Jb your the champ for keeping us entertained during lockdown
Appreciate it as always man!
Great video again. Possibly do a video on car brands reliability.
Yeah that’s a good shout actually, I’ll take note as potential Tuesday videos for the future
Can’t wait for this brilliant after a long day 🥳👍🏻
Haha cheers Craig!
the alfa brera has derived gm v6 motor(reworked by alfa) , it is not in the same legue as the busso v6 of alfa.
Thanks for another top video...a Friday treat !
Cheers Graham, glad you enjoyed!
GREAT VID JB
What would you go for. EP3 type r , Porsche 944, gt86 or s2000
I really like the 944 but lots of problems, S2000 I found a bit wallowy/disengaged to drive but I also like it, the EP3 Type R probs has one of the best long term values but not a fan of the shape, so in the immediate term it’d be the GT86, but I wouldn’t keep it for long!
@@CarsWithJB Thanks for the reply sir. I was actually considering the ep3 and the gt86 for when I leave uni. if I was to get the GT86 I would k swap it later down the line. or do i wait for the GR86 as the engine seems to solve the torque problems of the GT86. Thanks again.
I think we’re spoiled on cars, I think all cars are underrated for speed, a 0-60 in 6 seconds feels quick when you’re in it, not seat pinning but I think people but too much emphasis on speed over fun, a sub 4 0-60 is cool to show off but I’d rather have handling
Yeah with you there for sure - there are some very cool cars out there that provide amazing driving experiences without necessarily having to be rapid!
nice vid mate!
Cheers as always boss!
Some good picks, Alfa Romeo gt would also be a nice pick
Very fair shout!
The Alfa Romeo Brera got my vote here, since I think it deserves the praise that Giulia/Stelvio have today, even more the Brera is a 2 Door Hatchback and sexy as well
Seen all of the cars in this list in my country, but none the Brera
The price of all the cars here combined is at the same price of a brand new Honda CRV, definitely buy any of the cars here in a heart beat
Nice video man.. My choice would be the 370z in convertible (think looks better), and the mx5..
Both very fair choices! I’d probably have the Scirocco or the RCZ-R for the rarity
What do you think of the a2?
Is it too ridiculous and ugly?
Idk but a a2 with a 1 6 liter 115 hp petrol engine seems interesting
I think it’ll gain value longer term as there’s sort of a cult following behind it!
As a 981 Cayman S owner, if the 987 gets half the attention mine gets then I couldn't put it on any "underrated" list...I'll shut up about the GS eventually but that's definitely underrated (except by me...I probably drag the average "ratedness" up quite a lot ☺).
Definitely agreed on the NC MX-5 though and, as a Pug fanboy, I'd love an RCZ-R if I could just find one. Also agreed on the fun > fast analysis on the GT86. For example, an F13 M6 is stupid fast and entirely not fun. Drove that between the GS and 981 so it's probably not a bad car, but using those for perspective it's awful.
Edit XKR is great but you have to budget well over £1000 a year on tyres and have a big pool of cash in case it goes wrong. I briefly considered one.
Haha that’s the thing - I don’t think a 987 would get any attention whatsoever, but I think it’s a beaut still - the RCZ-R is definitely my top pick from this, such a decent offering considering, especially that interior, the seats are nuts!
@@CarsWithJB I didn't think a 981 would get much attention but I can't park outside Screwfix without someone giving me a wave and a thumbs up ☺
The RCZ-R is just so sexy...
Nice video, gave it the 👍
I loved my RCZ!
One thing, could you speak more slowly!
This is y I subbed to u😍👍🏻
Haha cheers boss!
I personally I don't recommend any used petrol cars with Turbos and superchargers
one Turbos go , they can ruin an Engine , you cant blow up something your car does not have
Can you please add exhaust sounds in each car pls?
I know I should be doing this - need to remind myself while making the videos!
@@CarsWithJB thanks broo
Going for a Hyundai i40 se nav 2016. What’s your thoughts?
I'd throw the Audi S1 in there as well. Good choice for 15k, hugely tuneable and very few cars this size with AWD
Handling? Clutch goes by 60,000 miles
Brera: £3000 for A TIMING CHAIN? WHAT?????
The hell, is it gold plated or something?
RC-Z: Very pretty car.
XKR: Late ones are brutal, not recommended for amateurs. XK probably make you feel less on edge.
Can you do a top 5 or top 10 coupes under £5k pls😁😁 (im thinking of getting a Hyundai coupe so maybe that would feature😉)
Noooo don't drive the Brera prices up😭😂nah brilliant video mate, loved every option on here. Keep up the good work my man🙌
Haha honestly I need to buy one then drive the prices up - rookie mistake calling out underrated beauts!
I think you forgot the 2015 Cooper S F56
15k for these cars is a lot!! I recently bought a vectra 2007 V6 Turbo Petrol 250BHP for a £1000 as a daily which would keep up with most of these also I would like to add I'm 23 and it's only £60 a month to insure
Not bad on insurance at all - done well!
C30 t5 is even better value now they are under 10k for the facelift ones
Update: Earliest I could book my theory was 21st may. that should (hopefully) allow me to pass practical by 21 may 2022
Yeah you should definitely be able to get practical done in that time!
Can you do fast cars under £5k and under group 30 insurance?
987 for the win - maybe this has convinced me 🤭
Get a post-facelift S to minimise bore scoring then lemme drive it for a video 👀
I'm looking to get a Boxster once I pass (driving lessons cancelled due to lockdown) and am just wondering, what made you choose the Cayman over the Boxster? Thanks.
@@TheAstroWitchLux For me it's just a matter of aesthetics, I prefer the look of the cayman more than the boxster really!
The RCZ seems to get a lot of love, but I personally hate the damn things. If you drive one (and not just look at one). you will understand why people call them an ALDI TT.
The GT86 is a nice car let down by it's wheezy engine, low rent interior, and I wasn't that impressed with the handling either.
The Volvo is a brave pill, the ALFA is beautiful inside & out, but not much of a performer.
Quite like the Scirocco, decent quality.
The Cayman would be my choice, superb in every way.
Mate, you're dreaming if you think a 370Z can live with a Caterham on a trackday !!! Maybe a superb driver in the Nissan against a real novice in the Caterham, yes but like for like, not a chance.
The Merc is a nice cruiser, too heavy to have fun in though.
Jag is not that quick for the power output it has.
I also love Saabs and Volvos and Abarf
But Profer Saabs so would you say it's be Abarth 124 Spider
Always thought that Peugeot was a fine looking car.
Always wondered why they don’t make MX5 with a turbo
What? Because the whole point is the free revving naturally aspirated engine!!!
I think alfa 159 should be there, best looking saloon ever
E92 m3?
One of my favs, maybe I just don’t underrate it!
10:53 was that an automatic one 🤢 surely was in America that one
Honestly I respect it bro
The Cayman still looks good
Agreed - and it’s already starting to get better with age
The jag is my fav
I do like it 👀
Should have had the BMW Z4 35is, just under £15k and a lot nicer than most of these and faster
That’s a very fair shout too - not one I thought of while making the vid!
No worries mate I’m getting a z4 35i Manual soon when lockdowns lifted turning it into a track weapon/summer cruiser going to fit the gt3 kit more powerful turbo etc. You’ll be more than welcome to use it in any vids if you want when I get it. Should hope to have it fully useable by summer next year.
Depends on who you are when you say underrated
Agree 100%!
Audi TT RS?
Another fair shout - maybe I just rate it too highly!
Ayy I'm not excessively late for once *_Yes._*
My G
Congrats on the sponsor bro
Cheers Tom! Great to have interest 🤙🏽
A while ago you did a vid of upgrading your polo seats I have the same polo and realy want to do the same could you give me some hellp please on where to search mabye I've looked everywhere I can think of
I just spent forever on ebay until a set popped up! They do seem to be getting rarer though unfortunately
@@CarsWithJB thankyou anyways
I’m 18 and getting a 4K quote for a 1.2 polo lol any ideas on how to bring this down ?
Add parents/relatives to the policy. Takes the price down quite a lot
As above - I actually made a video on how to reduce quotes which is worth a watch!
I had an Rcz for 4 years. Very problematic car. Watch out for the high pressure fuel pump. They always go...
I heard about this - is it the same across all models?
@@CarsWithJB Yes it's a common fault for all models. Great looking car, but fraught with so many engine and electrical faults. Way to many to list. Avoid them if you like to save money.
u should work with carwow
You cant beat the Audi tt for good value with cracking performance.
Eyyyy smashing video as always, some shit boxes on here too 😂
Haha cheers as always Jubair!
May be cheap to insure, but this dude needs to highlight the cost of the road tax. All well and good paying £10k a car if you’re gonna pay £630 in tax per year alone. That’s why they’re cheap
SLK AMG is hella uncomfy
Shut ya mout blud
I've got one. You're talking shite mate. More GT than sports car I'd say, it's like a steel fist in a velvet glove. 360bhp, hand built V8, 2006, 43k mile FSH and mint, paid £15k last January, it's a keeper.
@@Pufferkusser I hope you talk about your mail order wife with the same level of passion bruh
LOl, is that the best you can do? My wife is Scottish as am I, been together for years and years. I venture your wife is a box of tissues! @@maxparsons4513
correct, but the car is rather mind blowing!
Jaguars are cheap to insurer bc they spend most of the time in the garage 🤣
Haha simple as that!
Not if you use them and don’t cheat on maintenance 🙂
...says the guy that hasn't owned one
@@lyndonstachoski3897 I have 3......
I don't see JB replying to any comments, weird...
👋🏽 just took me a while to get around to it!
@@CarsWithJB all good broski, hope you're well and I'm eager on the next supercar video update, love the insight and I wish you the best in that regard.
@@mozubzy4103 appreciate it man! It’s coming slowly, just trying to get my priorities in order and working out whether house buying is gunna happen soon 👀
If the bmw e46 m3 isn’t on here then you’re just wrong
E46 M3 is not underrated lol
Maybe I rate the E46 too highly!
Wouldn’t really call 15k cheap
You can get older models for much cheaper 🙂 A 15 or 10 year old car could be under £7k, it all just depends. There are Mercedes, Mazda and BMW for 2k to 5k from 2003 to 2008.
I geanlly do think the Fiat 500 as a bloke is under rated as it's "a girl car"
BMW 235i.
You say cheap cars but 15k is not cheap to many people its very expensive.
For what you're getting it's cheap
Cant you slow down, sounds interesting but talk slower thanks
Getting famous off of comments day 273, so I can live the dream, live every day like it’s your last🤙🚀🤙
I agree with a lot but the Volvo C30 is ugly af
Ah I actually really like the exterior! Interior is clapped IMO tho
1.45 before it actually starts. The more money they make the longer the intro
sorry but the original mk3 mx5 is easily the ugliest mk5 in my opinion
Yeah I think pre facelift and 1st facelift are clapped but the final edition was pretty nice IMO
Hey gus don t abbo just couse somone is saing it to you
E92 m3?