@besmaabessi7503 VATS was created by Bethesda as a system to try and replicate the aimed shots and more turned based combat of the original isometric Fallout games.
I think it's worth bringing up that in Fallout 2, the Bozar is probably the single strongest gun in the game. It has the single highest damage per shot of any gun in the game, and it fires in a 15-round burst. The only guns that outclass it in damage are the miniguns, and those fire more shots in a burst, which means they do less damage than the Bozar against armored targets (which is most of the enemies in the endgame). Essentially, the Fallout 2 Bozar was the unholy hybrid of a machine gun and a sniper rifle, and it showed; there was very little in the game that could take a burst from this thing and live. Even the final boss would go down pretty quickly if you had the right perks.
You could argue the ultimate reason this weapon is bad in Vegas is that they failed to transition it from the turn based system to the shooter one, with VATS being the only saving grace.
@@nguyenquyetthang1326 a burst wespon would've required some extra animation and coding they likely didn't have the time for. Some mods turn it and other rifles into monsters, but Obsidian was kinda shorthanded. I assume they just added it in as a memoir.
A few notes: The Trigger Discipline Trait doesn't reduce the fire rate of automatic weapons while it still grants the accuracy bonus. This actually makes it the ideal trait for Burst-style Guns and Energy Weapons builds (SMGs, Automatic Rifles, Miniguns, Gatling Lasers, etc). The reverse is true - Fast Shot Trait doesn't increase the fire rate of automatic weapons, but does make them less accurate (which is ideal for accurate weapons with slower rates of fire like the Lever-Action Rifles, Anti-Materiel Rifle and Sniper Rifles). The 5.56mm ammo type also has the Match rounds that which can be made with the Hand Loader perk which grants accuracy and small damage bonuses. Also, and I'm sure FSOAS is aware of this although it wasn't mentioned, but weapon damage and critical hit rate in NV is partially tied to a weapon's condition: condition 75% and higher = more damage and critical hits compared to condition lower than 75% and scaling down until 0% condition. The "Ultimate refinement of the sniper's art" blurb is from the Bozar's weapon description from Fallout 2 where in development the weapon was intended to be Fo2's designated Big Guns Sniper Rifle, similar to New Vegas's Anti-Materiel Rifle (note how the Bozar resembles a greeble'd Barrett M82). However, this was allegedly changed during development so now that the Bozar, instead of being a single-shot Sniper Rifle, became the death machine it's known as in the Fallout community. Fallout 2's Bozar fires 15 rounds per burst with each bullet having a damage range of 25-35. This is augmented by the fact that the .233 FMJ ammo type has modifiers that grant a -20% to an enemy's Damage Resistance and a -20% to an enemy's Armor Class: making it so that in layman's terms the gun has built-in armor reduction and an accuracy bonus. This damage would typically be increased further by taking the Bonus Range Damage perk twice. The perk adds +2 damage to the upper RNG a weapon can do. So for example, the Bozar's damage range of a single bullet is 25-35, but with one rank of Bonus Ranged Damage it becomes 25-37 and with two ranks, 25-39. This doesn't sound like much on paper, but for burst-fire weapons this interaction would usually end up doubling or tripling their damage per burst. Finally, Fallout 2's Bozar is also one of the easiest Big Guns to actually acquire in your standard playthrough of the game -- being available as early as either the NCR, where it can be purchased for a fairly modest price of $5250 from the merchant Buster or stolen from his guards, or from the player's return trip to the Toxic Caves near Klamath where it can be grabbed from the lower level. As well as the fact that .233 FMJ is commonly sold in bulk quantities throughout the game, making it one of the most common ammo types besides 10mm JHP and notably compared to NV's Bozar which has an 8 Strength requirement, the Strength requirement of the Bozar in Fallout 2 is only 6. New Vegas's director Josh Sawyer has spoken about NV's Bozar before. He has stated that he tried to make NV's incarnation similar to Fo2's incarnation, but as evidenced by this video's existence, it wasn't quite up to snuff. The two weapons are indeed very similar and NV managed to retain a lot of the weapon's unique aspects, but I think the major flaw is quite simply a lack of damage. 19 base damage is just pitiful for an endgame tier weapon and is 6 points less than the lower limit of the Fo2 Bozar's RNG damage range. The weapon had no right to be weaker than several of the other 5.56mm weapons: the Light Machine Gun, the 5.56 Pistols and the Marksman Carbines and I'm not exactly sure what Sawyer was going for with such a low base damage. He would be aware that the weapon would not be able to interact with the Grunt perk from Honest Hearts, so unless he thought that the Damage Per Second from the rate of fire would be able to compensate for the lack of Damage Per Shot -- as is the design intent with many of the weapons in New Vegas -- I see no reason why it would be so low. Even the ability to chamber Armor Piercing and Match rounds to slightly boost its effective damage and accuracy does little to compensate for the fact that it's just too weak at base in combination with its incredibly demanding skill and strength requirements and that fact that it is one of the most expensive weapons in the game. It's unfortunate that the Bozar in NV lacks a real niche (Let's be honest, almost every weapon is good in VATS because of the slowdown, auto-aim, crit rate increase and player damage resistance bonus) despite otherwise being a very unique design (Scoped Automatic Rifle) and having one the of the best and most versatile ammo types in the game. One of my favorite ways to play through Fallout 2 is with a Fast Shot Burst Build and turn large portions of California and Nevada into chunky salsa, so I think it's a shame that New Vegas's Bozar just does not live up to the legacy of Fallout 2's Bozar.
You also didn't mention that NV uses higher numbers in general than 2. The NV Bozar having a lower damage output is bad enough, but even having it be HIGHER would still make it less effective due to NV having higher HP values.
@@GerMorden yes. Note how the weapon condition bar on the HUD has that notch. That's the point (75%) where a weapon actually begins to start degrading in damage and critical hit rate. For example, take any weapon with a 1× critical hit multiplier -- once its condition falls below 75%, its critical hit multiplier will begin to fall below 1× and scaling down until the weapon is broken.
Recently, I was devastated from mitten squad and paul's death, just seeing new Vegas suddenly grace me in my recommendations brings a bitter sweet feeling.
oh noooooo whyyy this really sucks did one of his family members post it in his social medias or what? how did I just found out through this comment? noo that sucks so much
Fun Fact: during the development of Fallout 2 when the Bozar was going to be introduced it was originally going to be powerful sniper rifle but due to a bug that crept into the source code it instead became a heavy automatic weapon instead. With only a burst function no single or precision shooting in it. Obsidian resolved that issue when they brought back the Bozar. Sadly it was for the worse.
Better yet - the unique variant from the LOB corporation... which is one of the worst unique guns in all entirety of FO3. At least TTW made justice to it.
@@rhy45bianchi31 Ik. I really enjoy Mauser pistol. It's funny how Chinese AR is 2 heads above the assault rifle, while chinese pistol is in the gutter to 10-mm pistol.
I find it funny that, due to there being a static LMG in the quarry junction, it's possible to get few Stealth Boys and yoink it for a much cheaper, albeit much more pants-shitting regarding obtainment, weapon than the Bozar. Sure, the extended mag mod won't be available for quite some time and it's going to be inaccurate asf outside of mid-range, but it's still quite a monster to have so early.
I find that a Super Mutant Master will usually spawn the Jack Rabbit Springs near Primm with a Light Machine Gun, bit of an easier undertaking to kill him than sneak past a bunch of Deathclaws.
@@MagpieDynamics Spawns in NV generally are not tied to level. It is still RNG dependent though, because sometimes they will have a super sledge or something like that instead.
I've done this! As a sort of challenge run, I decided that I'd pick two weapons, and two weapons only, and run the entire game with just them. I ended up choosing LMG and hunting shotgun. LMG from quarry junction at level... 2? was harrowing. I ended up eventually getting it through a lot of saves and luck and perseverance (and a stealth boy or two). Saving grace was me somehow finding a spot to fast travel from, right near the mother. Hunting shotgun came from the nuclear test site, I did a double dosey-do save-load through the door to set the pursuers back and hauled outta there with ghouls in pursuit. Rest of that run was fun, I got a lot of mileage out of all the ammo types
On the topic of New Vegas I want to mention how bonkers hollowpoint rounds are on high single shot damage weapons. With something like Medicine stick or even a regular brush gun with the cowboy perk, the damage increase from hollow point rounds not only increases more than the dt of whatever you could feasibly be shooting, other than bosses, but it will also net you more dmg than using ap rounds even on high dt enemies.
That’s due to the DT and it’s innate effects. Enemies in terms of DT range from about 2 (rare instances) to 8 to 15 to some in the near 20s late game. Which is often in terms of automatics about equal to half or over half of their damage output and hollow points increase the DT effect of said enemies overall actually making them way more tankier for little effect. It’s why often in the community folks state to just avoid DPS as it’s an unreliable stat to gauge effectiveness. High damage single shot weapons with hollow point already can easily bypass the DT threshold of most enemies and armors. So the penalty for hollow points are largely negated overall. Honestly DT in general really fucks up much of the weapon balance even with the game getting an entire overhaul regarding dt shred for specific ammo types like energy ammo and 5mm
@@Scuzz1204 I am actually aware of the fact that most common enemies do not go over a dt of 15. However bosses can go beyond such number, Joshua Graham has a dt of 50. Tbh I don't think DT messes up the weapon balance that much, we are talking about end game weapons here (Also at least the minigun can do something in NV unlike in Fallout 4). Though it brings up the issue of hollow points being pretty redundant for full auto guns and ap rounds being useless and outclassed for high damage single shot guns.
You should try its a very fun series, 3 and nv its a bit outdated but stillhave their qualities and 4 even not having the best story had the best gameplay
The thing about spread on endgame weapons is that you have unlimited Steady for very cheap once you've played Dead Money and Steady actually removes all spread completely. However, said supply of Steady makes the Automatic Rifle a contender for best Guns weapon (the .45 SMG is better against low DT, notable for Cazadores, Lakelurks, Tunnelers and Ghouls) with more DPS than the miniguns (equivalent to more than 3 anti-materiel shots per second), excellent performance vs armour and a higher crit chance than other automatics...
The funny thing about the bozar to me is, whenever I used it in fallout 2 it was early game. You could pick pocket them off the guards at NCR. Realistically, it was a mid game weapon in fallout 2. So your suggestion coincidentally makes it line up with how it was best used in fallout 2. Also, I don't get why they describe it as a sniper weapon in New Vegas. In fallout 2 with how inaccurate it was it was best used as a shotgun that fire rifle rounds lol.
The whole reason why it's described as sniper weapon in New Vegas is a nod to a bug turned feature in Fallout 2. Bozar was supposed to be basically be high capacity sniper rifle, but it ended up having the ability to burst by accident. When it was noticed, it wasn't patched away since the devs found the idea of burst-fire sniper rifle funny.
The Bozar in Fallout 2 is actually a pretty common endgame gun. The only guns that outdamage it are the miniguns, and that's only against unarmored targets since the Bozar deals far more damage per bullet.
Nice video, I'm just surprised you didn't compare the Bozar to the All American. It fills the roll of Vats/Crit build quite well if you want to aim for that. It also has a better accuracy compared to the Bozar. Not quite sniper rifle or anti-material rifle, but close. (0.02 for Sniper, 0.015 Anti and 0.035 for American) The way to get it might be tedious in comparison with the bozar for some people. But in the long run, I've had multiple runs where all I needed to do was grab it and I was sitting pretty. If you focus on it at the beginning of the game it also allows you to also spread more SPECIAL points out on your character.
PLEASE more New Vegas And as a free idea, the Police Pistol in Dead Money has a lot going against it but I like maining it and crit-chasing to max the effectiveness of it's one upside
The police pistol with a crit build is a monster, the automatic rifle following close behind, they carry you through dead money and when your out then can carry you through the rest of the game without skipping a beat. just a shame that the big reason you do dead money is the holo rifle.
Yeah. Even though the Police Pistol doesn’t do a lot of damage in Dead Money compared to other weapons, it’s still probably the weapon I used the most in the DLC (except maybe Knife Spears to permanently kill Ghost People).
Hand loader perk to upgrade your 5.56 ammo into Match ammo. 15% more damage and 35% less spread with no downside. Also I'm a little surprised you didn't bring up how it compares to the All American.
A good tactic for maxing your early game is even if youre not going to use repair and science. Its work taking them to repair the 9mm smg and Make the chems using the chemistry kit in doc Mitchell's. When you get to the outskirts of goodsprings, you can reassign your tag skills before confirming your character for good. So you can move them to skills you would want to use in the long run.
Everytime I see someone massacre goodspring just so they can do more powder gangers mission, I always gotta leave this comment here. You can still do Powder Gangers quest by siding w Goodsprings, if you dont kill any of the powder gangers in the fight, you wont be vilified. Also you can just head straight to the NCR correctional facility and do their mission, then come back and side w Goodsprings.
The Bozar is so weird because the Marksman Carbine exists. And even then, the AMR exists. It joes baffles me one of the most expensive items in the game is just a slightly worse version of a somewhat common weapon.
Neither of the weapons you talked about fill the role of the Bozar. The marksman carbine is a semi-auto marksman rifle. Sure, you can fire fast, but it's still semi-auto. And the AMR is a slow and powerful sniper rifle. It's like saying the unique .45 pistol is outmatched by the ranger sequoia and the 12.7mm SMG...
FALLOUT NEW VEGAS? IN MY FISH VIDEO? It’s more likely than you think Please do more Fallout NV bad weapon academy videos omg this is amazing it’s not something I knew I wanted
I can hardly wait for the final few weapons that need reviewing for TF2. Like the hot hand, sharpen volcano fragment, fan o'war, etc. We're so close to covering the bad weapon basis in terms of TF2 as a whole & I look forward to that final send off this year, as we begin to move on to other games with bad weapons to review.
I should have guessed, last Bad Weapon video when you mentioned FNV that *this* was the gun you were going to talk about... I really cannot fathom what the intended purpose of the Bozar even is - it's just a bizarre weapon that I feel they didn't actually have time enough to test.
It's a mid-range automatic rifle. The purpose is to shoot at targets at mid-range and fill them with bullets, instead of one-shoting them with a slower and more powerful sniper.
I really hope you do a Bad Weapon Academy on some Borderlands weapons in the future, since one of that game's main taglines is literally have a bazillion guns so I feel like there's a ton of material to work off of in those games.
This is a pretty damn good video! Honestly, I've never used Bozar at all, so this was all new to me. By the way, there's an independent Fallout wiki that you might get better use out of! 👀
NEW VEGAS. YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS Also how about a video on how inferior Dinner Bell is to the modded Hunting shotgun? If I need a more damaging shotgun, I'll go with the Riot Shotgun.
If you need anything, go with the riot shotgun. If you have the extra 25 in Guns, it's a straight upgrade: more ammo in the magazine, clip reload, faster rate of fire, and only a slightly smaller damage
you know i never realized the bozar wasnt good considering by the time i get it i have a boatload of perks,skills, armor, and medcine that i can just ignore the downside and brute force combat
Word of advice to everyone, if you ever see the WA2000 or anything similar in any video game ever, expect it to be completely terrible and avoid it at all costs. You have been warned.
OK I know it's a bit late for a protip for a game that is 14 years old but: death claws, shoot he legs, cazadors, vats the wings. Both of these enemies are pretty trivial even with weak weapons doing this.
For future bad weapon academy videos for new Vegas, PLEASE take into account crit damage and crit rate for the weapons because the luck recommendation is a terrible idea for the bozsr due to its abysmal .05x multiplier for crits, crits with the thing are a once in a blue moon occurrence even with a luck build and will never be a significant source of your damage, and this is very common for other high fire rate weapons
I use a mod called Bozar Rework that makes it a far better gun. Changes it to use .308 as well as improves the accuracy, basically making it a better version of the Automatic Rifle. Really makes a huge difference, and now it actually feels like it lives up to it's reputation set by Fallout 2.
I totally understand why the Bozar "speedrun" goes the long way. The thing is expensive, so you'll need lots of caps. And the skill requirements are high, so leveling up is good. So gambling at the Wrangler or even the Vicky & Vance makes it easy to have the caps.
Honestly, as someone who replaced New Vegas a few months ago: Why bother, just get the Ratslayer. That fucking thing carried me for nearly the entire game.
Love your branching out to other games like New Vegas! I think this series in particular is rife with plenty of interesting candidates I'd never consider. Maybe do one on the roller next?
The item description from the wiki may be taken from Fallout 2. Originally was in that game and IIRC, the reason why it’s a machine gun in NV is cause in 2 it used machine gun animations, not sniper rifle animations.
I dont even play new vegas, I have played a littlebit but found it hard to get into but I like hearing people talk about stats, perks and weapons I havent even heard of. Fun video👍
I’m surprised you didn’t mention all the mods to fix it, giving it better damage or adding a larger mag. Especially considering this is an rpg and can be modded with ease. Also as a new Vegas fan I am incredibly happy please do more of these thank you so much.
Oh, wow, legit wasn't expecting BWA for FNV weapons. One of my favorite games, so I'll look forward to more. Also looking forward to more because A) I play New Vegas modded to hell and back several times over and it'll be interesting being reminded what default is like, and B) I can't even guess what would be covered next. The silenced .22 SMG? The single shotgun? Throwing spears??
the LMG is one of our personal favs in FNV. just fun and spray and pray with a relatively powerful and fast fire rate weapon especially with the mentioned box mag, can hold the trigger for a long while until everythings gone
For it’s pricing the Bozar would work best if it was like the Infiltrator/Penetrator from Fallout 3: Give the player the option to mod it with a better scope, better magazine and a silencer. Boost the damage up to 21 or higher. Zero the spread. Boom you have an actual gun that is worth 24k caps.
If anyone on console is having money problems just look up the ammo hotkey glitch and use it to duplicate c4. I feel like most people know about this but if you kill Joe cob after he asks you to rob Chet you can xp bug his speech and barter checks infinitely to hit hit level 50 before leaving goodsprings. You keep all perks when you reset your character after leaving so you pick a new 25 perks after the reset ending up with 50 perks. You'll have infinite money and ammo by level 50 because of all the leather armor and 9mm ammo. I start every new run on console at the reset instead of actually starting a new run
Bad-(usable term) academy is actually a pretty good and broad set you can do. I think if you maintain it as bad weapon indefinately it will hamper its overall ise, you can include bad strategy, bad class, bad unit, bad civilization, bad etc. Try and dig through old games like sseth has and try applying mathematical stats to units to find the worst. Old weapon sets etc.
So it's -an LMG variant -with the shape and scope of a DMR -and the fire rate and ammo type of an M16 It's almost cursed enough to wrap back around to being sensible
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You know, with this weapon being from Fallout 2, it working best in VATS makes a ton of sense.
I don't get it
@@besmaabessi7503 vats was very good in fo2
@besmaabessi7503 VATS was created by Bethesda as a system to try and replicate the aimed shots and more turned based combat of the original isometric Fallout games.
VATS was already cannon in the classics go read the manual@@Nicholas86753
@@Nicholas86753This was always strange to me. It's not really turn based if you can't let your enemies take their turns.
When is dad weapon academy? where you rate weapons based on how good of a father figure they would be.
lmao wtf
My M1 Grandfather loves to share war stories.
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Followed shortly by Rad Weapon Accademy
I think it's worth bringing up that in Fallout 2, the Bozar is probably the single strongest gun in the game. It has the single highest damage per shot of any gun in the game, and it fires in a 15-round burst. The only guns that outclass it in damage are the miniguns, and those fire more shots in a burst, which means they do less damage than the Bozar against armored targets (which is most of the enemies in the endgame). Essentially, the Fallout 2 Bozar was the unholy hybrid of a machine gun and a sniper rifle, and it showed; there was very little in the game that could take a burst from this thing and live. Even the final boss would go down pretty quickly if you had the right perks.
I think they should have just replicated that in NV: a burst-firing MG with monstrous damage and accuracy of a sniper
Stormed oil rig with it, half the time it deals 0-10 damage, half the time it oneshots enemies
You could argue the ultimate reason this weapon is bad in Vegas is that they failed to transition it from the turn based system to the shooter one, with VATS being the only saving grace.
@@nguyenquyetthang1326 a burst wespon would've required some extra animation and coding they likely didn't have the time for. Some mods turn it and other rifles into monsters, but Obsidian was kinda shorthanded. I assume they just added it in as a memoir.
@@nguyenquyetthang1326just down the spread a notch or two and the bozar goes back to being the ultimate refinement of the sniper's art
A few notes: The Trigger Discipline Trait doesn't reduce the fire rate of automatic weapons while it still grants the accuracy bonus. This actually makes it the ideal trait for Burst-style Guns and Energy Weapons builds (SMGs, Automatic Rifles, Miniguns, Gatling Lasers, etc). The reverse is true - Fast Shot Trait doesn't increase the fire rate of automatic weapons, but does make them less accurate (which is ideal for accurate weapons with slower rates of fire like the Lever-Action Rifles, Anti-Materiel Rifle and Sniper Rifles). The 5.56mm ammo type also has the Match rounds that which can be made with the Hand Loader perk which grants accuracy and small damage bonuses.
Also, and I'm sure FSOAS is aware of this although it wasn't mentioned, but weapon damage and critical hit rate in NV is partially tied to a weapon's condition: condition 75% and higher = more damage and critical hits compared to condition lower than 75% and scaling down until 0% condition.
The "Ultimate refinement of the sniper's art" blurb is from the Bozar's weapon description from Fallout 2 where in development the weapon was intended to be Fo2's designated Big Guns Sniper Rifle, similar to New Vegas's Anti-Materiel Rifle (note how the Bozar resembles a greeble'd Barrett M82). However, this was allegedly changed during development so now that the Bozar, instead of being a single-shot Sniper Rifle, became the death machine it's known as in the Fallout community. Fallout 2's Bozar fires 15 rounds per burst with each bullet having a damage range of 25-35. This is augmented by the fact that the .233 FMJ ammo type has modifiers that grant a -20% to an enemy's Damage Resistance and a -20% to an enemy's Armor Class: making it so that in layman's terms the gun has built-in armor reduction and an accuracy bonus. This damage would typically be increased further by taking the Bonus Range Damage perk twice. The perk adds +2 damage to the upper RNG a weapon can do. So for example, the Bozar's damage range of a single bullet is 25-35, but with one rank of Bonus Ranged Damage it becomes 25-37 and with two ranks, 25-39. This doesn't sound like much on paper, but for burst-fire weapons this interaction would usually end up doubling or tripling their damage per burst.
Finally, Fallout 2's Bozar is also one of the easiest Big Guns to actually acquire in your standard playthrough of the game -- being available as early as either the NCR, where it can be purchased for a fairly modest price of $5250 from the merchant Buster or stolen from his guards, or from the player's return trip to the Toxic Caves near Klamath where it can be grabbed from the lower level. As well as the fact that .233 FMJ is commonly sold in bulk quantities throughout the game, making it one of the most common ammo types besides 10mm JHP and notably compared to NV's Bozar which has an 8 Strength requirement, the Strength requirement of the Bozar in Fallout 2 is only 6.
New Vegas's director Josh Sawyer has spoken about NV's Bozar before. He has stated that he tried to make NV's incarnation similar to Fo2's incarnation, but as evidenced by this video's existence, it wasn't quite up to snuff. The two weapons are indeed very similar and NV managed to retain a lot of the weapon's unique aspects, but I think the major flaw is quite simply a lack of damage. 19 base damage is just pitiful for an endgame tier weapon and is 6 points less than the lower limit of the Fo2 Bozar's RNG damage range. The weapon had no right to be weaker than several of the other 5.56mm weapons: the Light Machine Gun, the 5.56 Pistols and the Marksman Carbines and I'm not exactly sure what Sawyer was going for with such a low base damage. He would be aware that the weapon would not be able to interact with the Grunt perk from Honest Hearts, so unless he thought that the Damage Per Second from the rate of fire would be able to compensate for the lack of Damage Per Shot -- as is the design intent with many of the weapons in New Vegas -- I see no reason why it would be so low. Even the ability to chamber Armor Piercing and Match rounds to slightly boost its effective damage and accuracy does little to compensate for the fact that it's just too weak at base in combination with its incredibly demanding skill and strength requirements and that fact that it is one of the most expensive weapons in the game.
It's unfortunate that the Bozar in NV lacks a real niche (Let's be honest, almost every weapon is good in VATS because of the slowdown, auto-aim, crit rate increase and player damage resistance bonus) despite otherwise being a very unique design (Scoped Automatic Rifle) and having one the of the best and most versatile ammo types in the game. One of my favorite ways to play through Fallout 2 is with a Fast Shot Burst Build and turn large portions of California and Nevada into chunky salsa, so I think it's a shame that New Vegas's Bozar just does not live up to the legacy of Fallout 2's Bozar.
You also didn't mention that NV uses higher numbers in general than 2. The NV Bozar having a lower damage output is bad enough, but even having it be HIGHER would still make it less effective due to NV having higher HP values.
Wait wait. Did you just said that weapon condition also affects crit rate?
Hmmmmm.....
I shall be that crazy man.
@@GerMorden yes. Note how the weapon condition bar on the HUD has that notch. That's the point (75%) where a weapon actually begins to start degrading in damage and critical hit rate. For example, take any weapon with a 1× critical hit multiplier -- once its condition falls below 75%, its critical hit multiplier will begin to fall below 1× and scaling down until the weapon is broken.
Can confirm that blowing apart dudes with the bozar at level 3 is pretty fun.
7:36 That awkward moment when Fish calls 5.56 rounds ‘five fifty six’ and not ‘five five six’
Technically not wrong, though it hurts
almost the same as saying "seven six two" instead of "seven sixty two"
@@ryszakowy sneed
That's how we do it in french
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I love how like, a fourth of this video's run time is basically just a tutorial for speedrunning the acquisition process for this thing.
I do not like it
@@JackfromshackI do like it (altough the whole questing thing is incredibly unnecesary, wtf just go straight to the gun runners from goodsprings)
@@maestrofeli4259 questing helps gets you levels for the 100 guns
@@nahnope8581 I guess
Recently, I was devastated from mitten squad and paul's death, just seeing new Vegas suddenly grace me in my recommendations brings a bitter sweet feeling.
I hate that this was how I found out
Grandma Sparkle finally found out how to crash his life.
@@PlebNCgrandma sparkle harnessed the power of the holiday 2004 demo disc….
rip paul
oh
noooooo
whyyy
this really sucks
did one of his family members post it in his social medias or what? how did I just found out through this comment? noo that sucks so much
@PlebNC i think he would've laughed at that lol
Fun Fact: during the development of Fallout 2 when the Bozar was going to be introduced it was originally going to be powerful sniper rifle but due to a bug that crept into the source code it instead became a heavy automatic weapon instead. With only a burst function no single or precision shooting in it. Obsidian resolved that issue when they brought back the Bozar. Sadly it was for the worse.
Do the Chinese pistol from fallout 3 next. I wanna see how to use the whopping 4 damage it fires ( i really like the look of the Chinese pistol)
Better yet - the unique variant from the LOB corporation... which is one of the worst unique guns in all entirety of FO3.
At least TTW made justice to it.
Yea the Chinese pistol was bad but imma be honest the sound is great
@@rhy45bianchi31 Ik. I really enjoy Mauser pistol.
It's funny how Chinese AR is 2 heads above the assault rifle, while chinese pistol is in the gutter to 10-mm pistol.
Open the geck. Give it some extra damage. Congrats you can now use the Chinese pistol lol
If you want an idea for a genuine use I think it sells for a lot of caps compared to other early game weapons ig lol it's ass tho
I find it funny that, due to there being a static LMG in the quarry junction, it's possible to get few Stealth Boys and yoink it for a much cheaper, albeit much more pants-shitting regarding obtainment, weapon than the Bozar. Sure, the extended mag mod won't be available for quite some time and it's going to be inaccurate asf outside of mid-range, but it's still quite a monster to have so early.
I find that a Super Mutant Master will usually spawn the Jack Rabbit Springs near Primm with a Light Machine Gun, bit of an easier undertaking to kill him than sneak past a bunch of Deathclaws.
Or just use the pip boy Za Warudo trick and get it.
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Will a master spawn that early, though?
@@MagpieDynamics Spawns in NV generally are not tied to level. It is still RNG dependent though, because sometimes they will have a super sledge or something like that instead.
I've done this! As a sort of challenge run, I decided that I'd pick two weapons, and two weapons only, and run the entire game with just them. I ended up choosing LMG and hunting shotgun.
LMG from quarry junction at level... 2? was harrowing. I ended up eventually getting it through a lot of saves and luck and perseverance (and a stealth boy or two). Saving grace was me somehow finding a spot to fast travel from, right near the mother.
Hunting shotgun came from the nuclear test site, I did a double dosey-do save-load through the door to set the pursuers back and hauled outta there with ghouls in pursuit.
Rest of that run was fun, I got a lot of mileage out of all the ammo types
The Bozar wants to be a cross between a sniper rifle and a light machine gun, but it's just an expensive, early game FAMAS.
On the topic of New Vegas I want to mention how bonkers hollowpoint rounds are on high single shot damage weapons. With something like Medicine stick or even a regular brush gun with the cowboy perk, the damage increase from hollow point rounds not only increases more than the dt of whatever you could feasibly be shooting, other than bosses, but it will also net you more dmg than using ap rounds even on high dt enemies.
That’s due to the DT and it’s innate effects. Enemies in terms of DT range from about 2 (rare instances) to 8 to 15 to some in the near 20s late game. Which is often in terms of automatics about equal to half or over half of their damage output and hollow points increase the DT effect of said enemies overall actually making them way more tankier for little effect. It’s why often in the community folks state to just avoid DPS as it’s an unreliable stat to gauge effectiveness. High damage single shot weapons with hollow point already can easily bypass the DT threshold of most enemies and armors. So the penalty for hollow points are largely negated overall.
Honestly DT in general really fucks up much of the weapon balance even with the game getting an entire overhaul regarding dt shred for specific ammo types like energy ammo and 5mm
@@Scuzz1204 I am actually aware of the fact that most common enemies do not go over a dt of 15. However bosses can go beyond such number, Joshua Graham has a dt of 50.
Tbh I don't think DT messes up the weapon balance that much, we are talking about end game weapons here (Also at least the minigun can do something in NV unlike in Fallout 4). Though it brings up the issue of hollow points being pretty redundant for full auto guns and ap rounds being useless and outclassed for high damage single shot guns.
Please don't show me Hassan. That was uncalled for
Almost threw up
@@MegaDeathRay10 based...
@@adamswing6115on what?
He was right though
That moment of the video was really unexpected and really based
The race to perfect Bozar%.
As someone who knows nothing about Fallout, I'm excited to watch Fish's video so I can criticize it's design with absolutely zero personal experience.
You should try its a very fun series, 3 and nv its a bit outdated but stillhave their qualities and 4 even not having the best story had the best gameplay
@@picawood when
Yeah these are pretty accessible and fun action rpgs
Well you should try fallout 1 and fallout 2... nv is also rly good. I recommend you dont bother with fallout 3 or fallout 4... they aint good..
Fallout 3 is a classic and 4 is fine, especially Far Harbor. They’re just less deep in character building.
This was my favorite weapon in Fallout 2, but I never used it in NV.
Yeah, the Bozar in Fallout 2 was probably the single strongest gun in the game.
dudes will see a fallout new vegas bad weapon academy video an will think "hell yeah"
hell yeah
The thing about spread on endgame weapons is that you have unlimited Steady for very cheap once you've played Dead Money and Steady actually removes all spread completely. However, said supply of Steady makes the Automatic Rifle a contender for best Guns weapon (the .45 SMG is better against low DT, notable for Cazadores, Lakelurks, Tunnelers and Ghouls) with more DPS than the miniguns (equivalent to more than 3 anti-materiel shots per second), excellent performance vs armour and a higher crit chance than other automatics...
3:39 I too would say this if I was called a Lobotomite and got treated as a disposable asset by a mad scientist
Would he remember what 9/11 was though?
@@Stephanie-mv9iy it didn't happen in the Fallout universe, their world drifted apart from ours in the mid 1940s or 50s
The funny thing about the bozar to me is, whenever I used it in fallout 2 it was early game. You could pick pocket them off the guards at NCR. Realistically, it was a mid game weapon in fallout 2. So your suggestion coincidentally makes it line up with how it was best used in fallout 2. Also, I don't get why they describe it as a sniper weapon in New Vegas. In fallout 2 with how inaccurate it was it was best used as a shotgun that fire rifle rounds lol.
The whole reason why it's described as sniper weapon in New Vegas is a nod to a bug turned feature in Fallout 2. Bozar was supposed to be basically be high capacity sniper rifle, but it ended up having the ability to burst by accident. When it was noticed, it wasn't patched away since the devs found the idea of burst-fire sniper rifle funny.
The Bozar in Fallout 2 is actually a pretty common endgame gun. The only guns that outdamage it are the miniguns, and that's only against unarmored targets since the Bozar deals far more damage per bullet.
I guess that shows how often I used Big Guns in Fallout 2 lol.
The Bozar is one of the strongest guns in Fallout 2 dude. Its FNV version doesn't even come close to how it was used in FO2
mid game? my brother in christ it can kill horrigan in a single turn
Nice video, I'm just surprised you didn't compare the Bozar to the All American. It fills the roll of Vats/Crit build quite well if you want to aim for that. It also has a better accuracy compared to the Bozar. Not quite sniper rifle or anti-material rifle, but close. (0.02 for Sniper, 0.015 Anti and 0.035 for American) The way to get it might be tedious in comparison with the bozar for some people. But in the long run, I've had multiple runs where all I needed to do was grab it and I was sitting pretty. If you focus on it at the beginning of the game it also allows you to also spread more SPECIAL points out on your character.
PLEASE more New Vegas
And as a free idea, the Police Pistol in Dead Money has a lot going against it but I like maining it and crit-chasing to max the effectiveness of it's one upside
The police pistol with a crit build is a monster, the automatic rifle following close behind, they carry you through dead money and when your out then can carry you through the rest of the game without skipping a beat.
just a shame that the big reason you do dead money is the holo rifle.
@@pyromasteralex personally I never liked the holorifle. Weird projectile, doesn't fire bullets.
Yeah. Even though the Police Pistol doesn’t do a lot of damage in Dead Money compared to other weapons, it’s still probably the weapon I used the most in the DLC (except maybe Knife Spears to permanently kill Ghost People).
Hand loader perk to upgrade your 5.56 ammo into Match ammo. 15% more damage and 35% less spread with no downside.
Also I'm a little surprised you didn't bring up how it compares to the All American.
He became addicted to shitty wepons
I love you branching out more Fish, awesome stuff as always.
Hey fish, thank you for making video. Its been a rough week for me and your videos help me get through it. Thanks man
A good tactic for maxing your early game is even if youre not going to use repair and science. Its work taking them to repair the 9mm smg and Make the chems using the chemistry kit in doc Mitchell's.
When you get to the outskirts of goodsprings, you can reassign your tag skills before confirming your character for good. So you can move them to skills you would want to use in the long run.
Everytime I see someone massacre goodspring just so they can do more powder gangers mission, I always gotta leave this comment here.
You can still do Powder Gangers quest by siding w Goodsprings, if you dont kill any of the powder gangers in the fight, you wont be vilified. Also you can just head straight to the NCR correctional facility and do their mission, then come back and side w Goodsprings.
Bozar is cracked as hell. Any time im not using cowboy im using this beast and tearing everything apart
This is New Vegas, not 2.
@@ChaseVaccaro-ge3gktbf I just finished lonesome road using Bozar, I wouldn’t say it’s cracked but I can think of worse weapons
The virgin BOZAR vs the Chad Survivalist Rifle
Verses .50 cal gigachad
@@silvergamer7250versus the medicine stick sigma grindset.
@@Dap1ssmonk the [whatever is better than sigma] m1911, the lords gun
@@silvergamer7250 versus the yogurt male love and hate.
@@Dap1ssmonk or just stealth crit
"The ultimate refinement of the snipers arts" How about you back that up with a source.
The Bozar is so weird because the Marksman Carbine exists. And even then, the AMR exists. It joes baffles me one of the most expensive items in the game is just a slightly worse version of a somewhat common weapon.
Neither of the weapons you talked about fill the role of the Bozar.
The marksman carbine is a semi-auto marksman rifle. Sure, you can fire fast, but it's still semi-auto.
And the AMR is a slow and powerful sniper rifle.
It's like saying the unique .45 pistol is outmatched by the ranger sequoia and the 12.7mm SMG...
I know that a lot of people don't like when a youtuber change the game but me i like when they do something original, so continue more
FALLOUT NEW VEGAS?
IN MY FISH VIDEO?
It’s more likely than you think
Please do more Fallout NV bad weapon academy videos omg this is amazing it’s not something I knew I wanted
I really didn't expect this, but please make more new vegas weapon videos!
I can hardly wait for the final few weapons that need reviewing for TF2. Like the hot hand, sharpen volcano fragment, fan o'war, etc. We're so close to covering the bad weapon basis in terms of TF2 as a whole & I look forward to that final send off this year, as we begin to move on to other games with bad weapons to review.
Literally just started a new NV playthrough. I appreciate the video
would be an amazing series to keep doing for fallout, would love a few vids on melee or unarmed weapons :p
I should have guessed, last Bad Weapon video when you mentioned FNV that *this* was the gun you were going to talk about... I really cannot fathom what the intended purpose of the Bozar even is - it's just a bizarre weapon that I feel they didn't actually have time enough to test.
It's a mid-range automatic rifle. The purpose is to shoot at targets at mid-range and fill them with bullets, instead of one-shoting them with a slower and more powerful sniper.
Fish needs to make a Chad Weapon Academy
I really hope you do a Bad Weapon Academy on some Borderlands weapons in the future, since one of that game's main taglines is literally have a bazillion guns so I feel like there's a ton of material to work off of in those games.
anything hyperion makes belongs on bad weapon academy
This is a pretty damn good video! Honestly, I've never used Bozar at all, so this was all new to me.
By the way, there's an independent Fallout wiki that you might get better use out of! 👀
NEW VEGAS. YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS
Also how about a video on how inferior Dinner Bell is to the modded Hunting shotgun? If I need a more damaging shotgun, I'll go with the Riot Shotgun.
If you need anything, go with the riot shotgun. If you have the extra 25 in Guns, it's a straight upgrade: more ammo in the magazine, clip reload, faster rate of fire, and only a slightly smaller damage
True but sometimes I just prefer the feeling a single trigger pull and a head turning to mush
I love spreading out to other games with BWA. This version of the intro sounds so natural
Please do the arc welder next, as a plasma gun enthusiast, I find it horribly dissapointing for something that you can only find in the lonesome road.
The really just made a worse flamer and dipped, great to sell it on early game tho
You can also find them through Legion hit squads, sometimes they'll be holding one
Guys. It's an industrial tool. Not a weapon of mass destruction
It's because you should only use it against robots. Maybe against PA too. It's a situational weapon, not a main weapon
Be real epic if fish speedran new vegas. I know id watch it.
you know i never realized the bozar wasnt good considering by the time i get it i have a boatload of perks,skills, armor, and medcine that i can just ignore the downside and brute force combat
Always happy for new fallout content
didnt expect a bad weapon academy on the best fallout game
Excited to see a new direction and curious to see what bad weapons you do next!
Word of advice to everyone, if you ever see the WA2000 or anything similar in any video game ever, expect it to be completely terrible and avoid it at all costs. You have been warned.
Which is too bad, because it's such a cool looking semi-auto sniper rifle.
Hitman fans in shambles rn
At least it looks pretty cool, even if a little outclassed
OK I know it's a bit late for a protip for a game that is 14 years old but: death claws, shoot he legs, cazadors, vats the wings. Both of these enemies are pretty trivial even with weak weapons doing this.
...assuming you aren't trapped in a box with them.
For future bad weapon academy videos for new Vegas, PLEASE take into account crit damage and crit rate for the weapons because the luck recommendation is a terrible idea for the bozsr due to its abysmal .05x multiplier for crits, crits with the thing are a once in a blue moon occurrence even with a luck build and will never be a significant source of your damage, and this is very common for other high fire rate weapons
Nice choice of background music, break the targets is a classic
The strange case has always been a bizarre Bozar to me. Wait
I use a mod called Bozar Rework that makes it a far better gun. Changes it to use .308 as well as improves the accuracy, basically making it a better version of the Automatic Rifle. Really makes a huge difference, and now it actually feels like it lives up to it's reputation set by Fallout 2.
I just realized this video exists and I can see this weapon coming back for the Sniper in NV video 👀
i never thought fish would make a video on my favorite game of all time
I totally understand why the Bozar "speedrun" goes the long way. The thing is expensive, so you'll need lots of caps. And the skill requirements are high, so leveling up is good.
So gambling at the Wrangler or even the Vicky & Vance makes it easy to have the caps.
Honestly, as someone who replaced New Vegas a few months ago: Why bother, just get the Ratslayer. That fucking thing carried me for nearly the entire game.
Hearing 5.56 read as "Five-Fifty-Six" made my skin crawl 😭
My understanding is that the guns/energy skill requirement doesn't actually do much for handling, except affecting scope wobble.
It does, it effects bullet spread and damage
Love your branching out to other games like New Vegas! I think this series in particular is rife with plenty of interesting candidates I'd never consider. Maybe do one on the roller next?
LETS FUCKING GO NEW VEGAS CONTENT RAHHHHHHH
In fallout 2, having 2 Bozars in your items slots, you could fuck up everybody with max agility, the right perks and a nice jet addiction.
Oh please do more of these this is a very fun concept!
The item description from the wiki may be taken from Fallout 2. Originally was in that game and IIRC, the reason why it’s a machine gun in NV is cause in 2 it used machine gun animations, not sniper rifle animations.
Patrolling the mojave makes you almost wish for a nuclear winter.
The format translated to other games pretty well! Good work.
Ok if you start branching off into more games like fallout new vegas? I'll be around for that
This video made me want to replay New Vegas the same way that the TF2 BWAs always make me want to play TF2, so I’d call this a success
using surplus ammo with this one is the way to go, but you need to have a good amount of weapon repair kits. they can be made at the workbench.
my initial reaction for this video showed up was “wait the bozar is a bad weapon?”
idk maybe i just play on too low of a difficulty lol
Either too low to notice the problems, or too low because you're a God for being able to do well with it.
If you were really rushing you'd use the Chet dialogue exploit to get a shit ton of 9mm ammo to sell.
Hell yeah!! I love new Vegas! Keep making more stuff like this
I dont even play new vegas, I have played a littlebit but found it hard to get into but I like hearing people talk about stats, perks and weapons I havent even heard of. Fun video👍
haha, I love this premise. "We're going to whip these bad weapons into shape, or die trying!"
Ive been looking forward to a new vegas video for 2 whole days
I’m surprised you didn’t mention all the mods to fix it, giving it better damage or adding a larger mag. Especially considering this is an rpg and can be modded with ease.
Also as a new Vegas fan I am incredibly happy please do more of these thank you so much.
i absolutely was not expecting a fallout new vegas video oh man
damn, i start playing new vegas again and this pops in my recommended. what a blessing
Gotta say, the non-tf2 episodes have been some of my favorites, I like the direction this series is going in! Hope we get more episodes like this.
Oh, wow, legit wasn't expecting BWA for FNV weapons. One of my favorite games, so I'll look forward to more.
Also looking forward to more because A) I play New Vegas modded to hell and back several times over and it'll be interesting being reminded what default is like, and B) I can't even guess what would be covered next. The silenced .22 SMG? The single shotgun? Throwing spears??
Thank you for the video fish!!
The cut from Borous talking about commies, to Hasan doing his usual shit almost made me spit my coffee onto my keyboard.
Are you a machine gun, sniper rifle, or assault rifle?
YES... but not really
I love new Vegas and can’t wait for more fallout videos
the LMG is one of our personal favs in FNV. just fun and spray and pray with a relatively powerful and fast fire rate weapon
especially with the mentioned box mag, can hold the trigger for a long while until everythings gone
Have never in my life heard someone call them "five fifty-six" until today. Very bizarre.
man, Bozar was such a beast in FO2. my fav weapon by far.
I really like visiting the lonesome road early for the caps you can get by selling the gear of the enemies.
If you continue to do Fallout weapons could you do the Microwave Emitter from Fallout 3 Point Lookout
For it’s pricing the Bozar would work best if it was like the Infiltrator/Penetrator from Fallout 3:
Give the player the option to mod it with a better scope, better magazine and a silencer.
Boost the damage up to 21 or higher.
Zero the spread.
Boom you have an actual gun that is worth 24k caps.
If anyone on console is having money problems just look up the ammo hotkey glitch and use it to duplicate c4. I feel like most people know about this but if you kill Joe cob after he asks you to rob Chet you can xp bug his speech and barter checks infinitely to hit hit level 50 before leaving goodsprings. You keep all perks when you reset your character after leaving so you pick a new 25 perks after the reset ending up with 50 perks. You'll have infinite money and ammo by level 50 because of all the leather armor and 9mm ammo. I start every new run on console at the reset instead of actually starting a new run
Drop luck to 7, get nightwear and chug booze
Bad-(usable term) academy is actually a pretty good and broad set you can do. I think if you maintain it as bad weapon indefinately it will hamper its overall ise, you can include bad strategy, bad class, bad unit, bad civilization, bad etc.
Try and dig through old games like sseth has and try applying mathematical stats to units to find the worst. Old weapon sets etc.
A tip from a gun nut: you don’t say “five, fifty six” for 5.56. You just say “five five six”
the Bozar is both cool and very accurate. I VATS killed many Cazadores on a few 6% bursts.
So it's
-an LMG variant
-with the shape and scope of a DMR
-and the fire rate and ammo type of an M16
It's almost cursed enough to wrap back around to being sensible