This video is proof that you can always learn or figure out new things to try, no matter how much you already know! I was never big in side chains on Vox busses because of the problem this fixes! Thank you!
That’s incredible! I’ve been wracking my brain forever on how to get the vox to stand out in the mix without killing the mix. This is exactly what I’m going for. This is extremely helpful. I’ll try this next time I’m in my studio! Thank you! Instant sub here!
It rules...short learning curve and great results. I started from the scratch 8 month ago and produce full songs now. Stunning piece of software. Your video is great and helps a lot in very dense situations to overcome a wall of sound with the lyrics.
woaaaah i feel like i entered the matrix. working with bus sends has always been a challenge for me but you explained this brilliantly! you definitely challenged my level of understanding, and now you've given me an area of study to focus on. Thanks so much!
This is that secret sauce! Only problem is that to unlock it you actually have to have a good idea of how signal flow works in the box and also why you would want to even out the sc vocal! Great tip, greatly explained! 👍 👏 👌
Love this!! I use a similar setup for any loud aggressive music I'm mixing. I like using a Rear Buss (like A. Scheps), but with a lead vocal SC comp on it. However, I haven't tried crushing the vocal on a no-output Aux to use as the SC source. Great Idea.
Everything was brilliantly lucid until you decided to show us the WRONG bus to use. Then it began to be harder for me to follow. But anyway, thanks for a good explanation of something I had been meaning to try. I was actually thinking of taking the main mix, extracting just the midrange frequencies and ducking only those with the vocals. Do you think that would be overdoing it?
Again awesome video for us logic users- I just did this and I messed up and see why LOL. BTW I have subscribed here UT but not gotten notified- just turned off an on the notifications :O) Thanks Chris rock on.
That's why Logic Pro does not Rules. Just wrote a Feedback Form to Apple to introduce the Ableton system where a bunch of a click you get either the PreFX or the PostFX for SideChaining without even to add 2 (!) busses for nothing. And in case of updates or importing to another project you get hell of a mass of problems. Not talking about human brain forgetting about those setups :)
Great explanation of this technique. Have you ever tried using Trackspacer for this purpose? I'm curious on what people think to that, given that it only ducks the vocal's frequencies, but you don't have any attack/release control
This video makes a lot of sense. Of course the quieter parts of the vocals are not going to duck the guitars much, if you're feeding them into the guitar track sidechain compressor, yet that's exactly where you'd want the guitars to be ducked. But if you already have a parallel compression aux track for vocals (to blend into your vocals track stack) couldn't you just use that as the side chain input, rather than creating another aux track. Also, why are you using PhatFX, rather than just a stock compressor?
Great video as always Chris! One thing I'd love for you to expand on is why you chose to send the vocal to BUS 26 and throw PhatFX on it and blend that signal in, instead of just throwing it on the same strip and just using the mix knob on the PhatFX.
from what I understand - in the final mix we’re not actually *hearing* the Phat FX on the vocals. The PhatFx is routed directly to the compressor’s side chain input and not to the stereo out at all. This is done so the compressor ducks the guitars at a uniform amount, rather than to alter the way we hear the vocal. Hope that’s useful??
@@RolyBotha exaclty. We're not going to listen to the Phat FX at all. It just feeds the SC compressor. That's the insight I find very useful and didn't think about it before.
@@RolyBotha ok so somebody else realized what he was doing too lol nicely put too! I see a bunch of comments thinking this is just a simple ducking sc trick, not sure if they watched the video or not... cause it is way more than that! This is how u get those great vocals! My old boss used to use this alot and I struggled to set it up right. After watching this I think I was prolly lacking the last bus.
Yea I’m way too new to Logic Pro for a video like this I don’t understand anything you showed me in this video and I just wanna know how to sidechain vocals
This concept was pretty useful however I'm quite confused on why you leave the output of bus 30 to No Output but said you can add eq and compression to the vocal sidecgain aux thats 26. I tried to add eq and compression and don't hear it. Am I supposed to change the output of bus 30 to the submix or to stereo output?? Great video, this definitely helped out my mix
I tried to set up a similar chain once and feel dumb I didn't realize that I just needed to set one more output bus. I also thght this was just gonna be a simple ducking sc.
Curious what is your go-to solution for putting a bass DI and Bass cab in the best phase possible? I have the In-Phase plugin, but I find it much too slow and complicated a process. I have had good luck with the following: First, I match the volume of the Bass and Cabinet tracks, then duplicate the Cabinet track, copy the audio, and mute (so I can compare once I make adjustments). Then I visually line up the zero-cross points at a big transient as best as I can by moving the cabinet track (not the copy). I put a correlation meter (Logic) on the bass Aux, panning the DI and Cabinet hard left/right. Now I nudge a little by millisecond until the correlation improves, then by sample for fine tuning. Then compare to what I had before, so far, this works a treat. How do you do it?
Great stuff! super helpful!! I noticed your output on the compressor is like neg 21, mine is so much higher. (I'm processing a single droning sample, not guitars but I assume this is simply because the signal the region is sending is hotter) This makes me think your entire mix is pushing through a lot quieter than mine. I feel like this is deliberate? maybe you normalized the audio regions so that the plugins/processors have more room to breathe? that's my thought.. maybe there's another reason? cheers! 👊🏼
Yeah u r right, it's "leaving headroom" for mastering, also if u have a real hot mix you tracks may not be clipping (see them red) but u check the plug in meters and they are clipping. Some people def make too big a deal over this and then others don't follow the rules and suffer! I normally just drop the gain of clips down around -6db when I bring them in. Then when u put a Limiter or compressor on the master out it has room to do its thing or if u send it off to be mastered they have room. I know I have been on both sides before, like I didn't realize pre fader and post fader metering, then when I did I went thru a phase where I worried too much lol! Gain staging def helps and compressors work off of signal level so depending on what it is and what u are wanting to do to the audio u cld have a compressor at -10 to -30. As long as it sounds good it's good, that's the #1 rule! Hope this helps!
This video is proof that you can always learn or figure out new things to try, no matter how much you already know! I was never big in side chains on Vox busses because of the problem this fixes! Thank you!
A german song! I feel appreciated xD Greetings from Germany and thank you for your very helpful videos :)
That’s incredible! I’ve been wracking my brain forever on how to get the vox to stand out in the mix without killing the mix. This is exactly what I’m going for. This is extremely helpful. I’ll try this next time I’m in my studio! Thank you! Instant sub here!
It rules...short learning curve and great results. I started from the scratch 8 month ago and produce full songs now. Stunning piece of software. Your video is great and helps a lot in very dense situations to overcome a wall of sound with the lyrics.
Im just glad you were born in the modern era. Back in old times, you'd be burned at the stake for this sort of sorcery. 🤣
Something I'm struggliing with. Thanks for the Video!!
woaaaah i feel like i entered the matrix. working with bus sends has always been a challenge for me but you explained this brilliantly! you definitely challenged my level of understanding, and now you've given me an area of study to focus on. Thanks so much!
This is that secret sauce! Only problem is that to unlock it you actually have to have a good idea of how signal flow works in the box and also why you would want to even out the sc vocal!
Great tip, greatly explained!
👍 👏 👌
Thanks!
sounds interesting, will hav to do a re listen and write down the stated routing to understand it better :)
Love this!! I use a similar setup for any loud aggressive music I'm mixing. I like using a Rear Buss (like A. Scheps), but with a lead vocal SC comp on it. However, I haven't tried crushing the vocal on a no-output Aux to use as the SC source. Great Idea.
Great video. Clear and very useful.
Everything was brilliantly lucid until you decided to show us the WRONG bus to use. Then it began to be harder for me to follow. But anyway, thanks for a good explanation of something I had been meaning to try. I was actually thinking of taking the main mix, extracting just the midrange frequencies and ducking only those with the vocals. Do you think that would be overdoing it?
Bloody hell that hurt my head! ha. Fantastic though, thank you so much.
Again awesome video for us logic users- I just did this and I messed up and see why LOL. BTW I have subscribed here UT but not gotten notified- just turned off an on the notifications :O) Thanks Chris rock on.
It finally clicked at the 11:00 ish mark 🎉💪🏽🙏🏽
Amazing.
Can't wait to try this on my next mix!
Very helpful!
That's why Logic Pro does not Rules. Just wrote a Feedback Form to Apple to introduce the Ableton system where a bunch of a click you get either the PreFX or the PostFX for SideChaining without even to add 2 (!) busses for nothing. And in case of updates or importing to another project you get hell of a mass of problems. Not talking about human brain forgetting about those setups :)
Great video as usual! Thanks!
have copied exactly but my vox get squashed by the guitar instead but i know i havnt mixed up the channels
Great explanation of this technique. Have you ever tried using Trackspacer for this purpose? I'm curious on what people think to that, given that it only ducks the vocal's frequencies, but you don't have any attack/release control
sounds like XTC, nice
This video makes a lot of sense. Of course the quieter parts of the vocals are not going to duck the guitars much, if you're feeding them into the guitar track sidechain compressor, yet that's exactly where you'd want the guitars to be ducked. But if you already have a parallel compression aux track for vocals (to blend into your vocals track stack) couldn't you just use that as the side chain input, rather than creating another aux track. Also, why are you using PhatFX, rather than just a stock compressor?
Great video as always Chris! One thing I'd love for you to expand on is why you chose to send the vocal to BUS 26 and throw PhatFX on it and blend that signal in, instead of just throwing it on the same strip and just using the mix knob on the PhatFX.
from what I understand - in the final mix we’re not actually *hearing* the Phat FX on the vocals. The PhatFx is routed directly to the compressor’s side chain input and not to the stereo out at all. This is done so the compressor ducks the guitars at a uniform amount, rather than to alter the way we hear the vocal. Hope that’s useful??
@@RolyBotha exaclty. We're not going to listen to the Phat FX at all. It just feeds the SC compressor. That's the insight I find very useful and didn't think about it before.
@@RolyBotha ok so somebody else realized what he was doing too lol nicely put too! I see a bunch of comments thinking this is just a simple ducking sc trick, not sure if they watched the video or not... cause it is way more than that! This is how u get those great vocals! My old boss used to use this alot and I struggled to set it up right. After watching this I think I was prolly lacking the last bus.
Yea I’m way too new to Logic Pro for a video like this I don’t understand anything you showed me in this video and I just wanna know how to sidechain vocals
"Pay special attention to the louder and the quieter bits"... Himmel, whôôt quieter bits? Is there a quieter bit somewhere? 😁😁
This concept was pretty useful however I'm quite confused on why you leave the output of bus 30 to No Output but said you can add eq and compression to the vocal sidecgain aux thats 26. I tried to add eq and compression and don't hear it.
Am I supposed to change the output of bus 30 to the submix or to stereo output??
Great video, this definitely helped out my mix
my apologies you mentioned to add eq or compression or any other processing on a INSTRUMENT track
I tried to set up a similar chain once and feel dumb I didn't realize that I just needed to set one more output bus. I also thght this was just gonna be a simple ducking sc.
Dude your channel fucking rules
Curious what is your go-to solution for putting a bass DI and Bass cab in the best phase possible? I have the In-Phase plugin, but I find it much too slow and complicated a process. I have had good luck with the following: First, I match the volume of the Bass and Cabinet tracks, then duplicate the Cabinet track, copy the audio, and mute (so I can compare once I make adjustments). Then I visually line up the zero-cross points at a big transient as best as I can by moving the cabinet track (not the copy). I put a correlation meter (Logic) on the bass Aux, panning the DI and Cabinet hard left/right. Now I nudge a little by millisecond until the correlation improves, then by sample for fine tuning. Then compare to what I had before, so far, this works a treat. How do you do it?
Great stuff! super helpful!! I noticed your output on the compressor is like neg 21, mine is so much higher. (I'm processing a single droning sample, not guitars but I assume this is simply because the signal the region is sending is hotter) This makes me think your entire mix is pushing through a lot quieter than mine. I feel like this is deliberate? maybe you normalized the audio regions so that the plugins/processors have more room to breathe? that's my thought.. maybe there's another reason? cheers! 👊🏼
Yeah u r right, it's "leaving headroom" for mastering, also if u have a real hot mix you tracks may not be clipping (see them red) but u check the plug in meters and they are clipping. Some people def make too big a deal over this and then others don't follow the rules and suffer! I normally just drop the gain of clips down around -6db when I bring them in. Then when u put a Limiter or compressor on the master out it has room to do its thing or if u send it off to be mastered they have room.
I know I have been on both sides before, like I didn't realize pre fader and post fader metering, then when I did I went thru a phase where I worried too much lol! Gain staging def helps and compressors work off of signal level so depending on what it is and what u are wanting to do to the audio u cld have a compressor at -10 to -30.
As long as it sounds good it's good, that's the #1 rule! Hope this helps!
Whoa!!!
i had a heart attack when i saw 168 tracks
99 red balloons vibes :)
didnt work
the song is disgusting
After sounds terrible .... I think one simple volume mixing is better ... this sound like a cheap podcast.
Your not supposed to hear the output of the phat fx it's just a signal to feed the sc...
Very helpful!
thank you !