Dave Smith Gets Mad And Resorts To Insults After Getting Stumped In Libertarian Debate

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  • Andrew Wilson vs Dave Smith: Is Libertarianism better than Christian Populism?
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    Date: 16 Jun, 2024
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    00:00:00 Teasers / Intro
    00:00:32 Dave Smith libertarian debate (SKIP INTRO)
    00:17:20 Dave Smith uses dictionary definition to debate philosophy
    00:25:56 This is just semantics!
    00:36:46 non aggression principle
    00:56:12 That hypothetical sucks
    01:27:37 Dave Smith accidentally argues other side's point
    01:44:11 asking Dave Smith the incest question
    02:11:03 Dave Smith explains why he ducked Destiny in a debate
    #destiny
    #politics
    #debate

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  • @destiny
    @destiny  Місяць тому +66

    Confronting PhD Leftist For Spreading Insane Lie In Impromptu Debate | AE #10
    ►ua-cam.com/video/eo_NGCzPpOI/v-deo.html

    • @fmo94jos8v3
      @fmo94jos8v3 Місяць тому +3

      Destiny, it is "master debater" rofl 🤣

    • @hiebrantsify
      @hiebrantsify Місяць тому +2

      I have a suggestion for you. You should create a debate pervetry bingo card. So people could play along with you reviewing the debates.
      I will accept money transfer as payment for this idea. 😏

    • @maistromaitrix3356
      @maistromaitrix3356 Місяць тому

      Thumbs up. As a Theravada Buddhist from Thailand, this might be one of the most exciting and interesting episodes.

    • @emich34
      @emich34 Місяць тому

      Destiny if you want to have some good arguments about arriving at moral truth, Sam Harris book the Moral Landscape is actually a great read about deriving moral principles through harm minimization

    • @chevenitsu3871
      @chevenitsu3871 Місяць тому

      1:46:35 DAVID GOLDSMITH HAS DEEP UNDERGROUND CONNECTIONS

  • @onesquirrel2713
    @onesquirrel2713 Місяць тому +645

    As a libertarian, Dave sure knows a lot about being owned.

    • @tnndll4294
      @tnndll4294 Місяць тому +9

      Daaamn!

    • @droptableaccount1820
      @droptableaccount1820 Місяць тому +19

      POV: Average destiny viewer posts a less funny version of the joke they just read in another comment three times before.

    • @daveveloz
      @daveveloz Місяць тому +28

      @@droptableaccount1820 That's every UA-cam video ever.

    • @Alex_the_Dad
      @Alex_the_Dad Місяць тому

      ​@droptableaccount1820 and I'll do it again, and again.. you know I'll do it again.

    • @Jchasser
      @Jchasser Місяць тому

      @@droptableaccount1820lol

  • @konstanty8094
    @konstanty8094 Місяць тому +1032

    Dave Smith has clearly demonstrated how he owns himself throughout the debate.

  • @wisdomandy9361
    @wisdomandy9361 Місяць тому +447

    Andrew talked Dave into not realizing he's not a Libertarian. What a dumpster fire.

    • @DCzero50
      @DCzero50 Місяць тому +17

      How many people would really do better though, this type of convo takes a specific skillset that probably isnt actually worth getting because its meaningless to almost all people

    • @ayoubmarah4063
      @ayoubmarah4063 Місяць тому +29

      @@DCzero50 its only meaningless because they dont want to get into the unexistence foundations of their beliefs : if u dont know why X thing is bad then why should i engage with you on other stuff ?

    • @jswew12
      @jswew12 Місяць тому +39

      @@DCzero50​​⁠i agree most people wouldn’t do much better, but I feel like this conversation is a perfect example of why you should have fundamental underpinnings to your morals, especially if you are a public debater. Because Dave doesn’t have any moral foundations, by the middle of this video he has completely conceded everything to Andrew and people who see this may potentially be swayed toward divine control as a concept, if they too have no moral foundations

    • @azure_azure
      @azure_azure Місяць тому +12

      Dave isn't a libertarian, he's a paleo (socially conservative) which is why he has to accept almost everything Andrew is saying lol. No idea why he agreed to that debate.

    • @polarized3358
      @polarized3358 Місяць тому

      @@ayoubmarah4063secular morality allows for intuition to tell us that something is bad we don’t need a direct reason why something like incest is bad beyond the general icky feeling diving into that deeper is weird

  • @-Frameshift
    @-Frameshift Місяць тому +371

    It's so much better watching Destiny when he is engaged with what he is listening to rather than playing a game in the background

    • @theawesomelamp9476
      @theawesomelamp9476 Місяць тому +33

      Vyvanse baaaby

    • @cjr1382
      @cjr1382 Місяць тому +16

      FALSE, I hope he goes back to the rift!!

    • @martincerny3294
      @martincerny3294 Місяць тому +4

      That's his true destiny.

    • @loverofbigdookies
      @loverofbigdookies Місяць тому

      Or having him be forced through hosting a podcast with someone he definitely doesn't hate and is definitely not completely uninterested in talking to

    • @krombopulos_michael
      @krombopulos_michael Місяць тому +26

      I agree. I'm glad he got that ADHD medication. There were some real "empty chair" tier videos being put out before where he just played a game with some long video in the background and maybe chimed in two times per hour with "TRUE hahaha based" or some other vapid shit.

  • @fiachracasey7625
    @fiachracasey7625 Місяць тому +443

    This debate is Smiths best comedic outing in decades

    • @brucehoffman2811
      @brucehoffman2811 Місяць тому +20

      Outside of politics and stuff, I love legion of skanks and Dave is painfully unfunny. Like it’s cringeworthy a lot of times

    • @grimmes1159
      @grimmes1159 Місяць тому +21

      The only reason he has any standing in comedy is that he’s Rogans news source

    • @MuscleboundKage
      @MuscleboundKage Місяць тому +13

      Dave is the reason the dunning kruger effect exists
      😂

    • @martincerny3294
      @martincerny3294 Місяць тому +2

      Dave is a comedian after all :D

    • @Fat-rhaenyra
      @Fat-rhaenyra Місяць тому

      @@brucehoffman2811yeah ok! You must like big jay type humor “I love black penis” “tits and boobs man” 😂

  • @petrichord7725
    @petrichord7725 Місяць тому +131

    Well actually Andrew, that isn’t “to own,” if you just go south of the border, there it is “avere”

    • @TheSethOlson
      @TheSethOlson Місяць тому +18

      W call back

    • @bananian
      @bananian Місяць тому +3

      What's to own water then?

  • @llamallamaduck4450
    @llamallamaduck4450 Місяць тому +680

    Father we have suffered in your absence

    • @sethcaine3659
      @sethcaine3659 Місяць тому +18

      oh god

    • @viderevero1338
      @viderevero1338 Місяць тому +27

      On some warhammer 40k shit 😂😂

    • @martincerny3294
      @martincerny3294 Місяць тому +9

      Here take my like and by the way it's the 69th like under your comment, do I have ownership over that like? Or do you gain it by me offering it? Or is it all just a social construct? Or social media construct? Whatever it is and whoever it owns, it indeed exists, the 69th like under your comment.

    • @saraarlavi4217
      @saraarlavi4217 Місяць тому

      hahahahaha

    • @Skiritai
      @Skiritai Місяць тому +6

      ​@@viderevero1338The Heretics can not know of our existence, the Inquisition demands your censure!

  • @JRuni0r
    @JRuni0r Місяць тому +198

    Andrew 100% realizes how far behind Dave is. Dave I bet honestly thinks that Andrew is a total idiot and is asking stupid questions and making nonsensical arguments. Dave is literally too clueless to understand he's getting demolished here.

    • @Name-zd2nb
      @Name-zd2nb Місяць тому +11

      On his next podcast he WILL claim he won an straight up lie to Robbie's blank faced stare as he vapes heavily.

    • @JRuni0r
      @JRuni0r Місяць тому +13

      @@Name-zd2nb I say all that despite finding Andrew a complete idiot with an insane worldview. I wonder if Dave knows what a Libertarian is... does he just think Libertarianism is when you disagree with the Government and you don't want to pay taxes?

    • @heinshaaine8153
      @heinshaaine8153 Місяць тому +2

      Yeah, when he asks "how would you show that", (that being the argument he just ade) he disqualifies himself.. s

    • @monkeybudge
      @monkeybudge Місяць тому +6

      I disagree with Andrew, but he has clearly thought about his ideas at the fundamental level, not just adopted an aesthetic like Dave has. But what’s worse for Dave is, even when it’s being explained he doesn’t get it. He literally had to be told why Andrew was removing the chance of a child from a sibling relationship. He’s so clueless, but also a dumbass as he couldn’t catch up at all with what was happening.

    • @JRuni0r
      @JRuni0r Місяць тому +3

      @@monkeybudge Yup! In this conversation Dave looked like someone talking to a Mathematician and laughing at them and thinking they're an idiot because they're doing Math without any numbers, just symbols and letters. He is so naive about the topic that he can't see that he's completely clueless.

  • @JunkieMonkey321
    @JunkieMonkey321 Місяць тому +204

    i dont even like this andrew guy, but i guarantee you that dave didnt learn shit from this. he just thinks andrew is stupid and keeps getting into semantics by asking dumb, abstract questions. pretty ironic.

    • @domenicgalata1470
      @domenicgalata1470 Місяць тому +18

      I’ll give Andrew credit for being able to debate, but Dave is easy pickings. I personally believe Andrew’s foundation is hogwash, the Christian / theistic nonsense is so irrelevant in the 21st century that even hearing someone speak about this makes me want to vomit. But man, Dave got gored in this discussion. I firmly believe morality is innate to human beings and we don’t need a primitive, agricultural based cult to guide us into the future.

    • @aureum7479
      @aureum7479 Місяць тому +33

      @@domenicgalata1470It’s not irrelevant
      He can debate a lot better than Destiny

    • @clayton4336
      @clayton4336 Місяць тому +21

      @@domenicgalata1470 i firmly believe something that I can't actually prove outside of my feelings. ur so smart bro

    • @aryzen2781
      @aryzen2781 Місяць тому

      debating semantics is dumb

    • @aryzen2781
      @aryzen2781 Місяць тому +5

      @@domenicgalata1470 morality is not innate

  • @marcusmcclain3251
    @marcusmcclain3251 Місяць тому +58

    Wow, Andrew was more willing to concede that the Christian God might not be the source of Divine Command than Dave was willing to agree on a definition of the NAP! AMAZING!

    • @brendanmassie9586
      @brendanmassie9586 Місяць тому +15

      Andrew conceded just for the sake of argument. He wouldn’t do so if the debate prompt was whether or not God exists. He even briefly mentioned his justification for beliefs through the transcendental argumentation but knew Dave was so far behind he couldn’t keep up so he kept it surface level.

    • @fernandocalles1726
      @fernandocalles1726 Місяць тому

      @@brendanmassie9586no, you clearly don’t understand religion or religious people, most of them do struggle with that question and have questioned their beliefs many times in there lives.

    • @brendanmassie9586
      @brendanmassie9586 Місяць тому +1

      @@fernandocalles1726 ah yes I clearly don’t understand Christianity. Tell me, could you please summarize the transcendental argument that Andrew is referring to? Let’s see who doesn’t know religion.

  • @unholydiver1095
    @unholydiver1095 Місяць тому +69

    Imagine trying to have a conversation about physics, but the person you are discussing with doesn’t know what simple algebra is. And then he gets mad and wonders why you are bringing up algebra when “we are having a discussion/argument on physics”

    • @JRuni0r
      @JRuni0r Місяць тому +6

      Nice, I've kept comparing Dave as being akin to a Christian 'debating' with an Atheist but agreeing that Jesus never existed and that God isn't real.

    • @off6848
      @off6848 Місяць тому

      @@JRuni0rSo Dawkins

    • @JRuni0r
      @JRuni0r Місяць тому +1

      @@off6848 That makes no sense considering what I wrote.

    • @off6848
      @off6848 Місяць тому

      @@JRuni0r Dawkins has recently come out as a cultural Christian but does not believe in Jesus as God

    • @JRuni0r
      @JRuni0r Місяць тому

      @@off6848 It really doesn't satisfy the comparison I was making. I'm not sure if you understand that or if you're just hung up on this surface level coincidence.

  • @tylertan7454
    @tylertan7454 Місяць тому +132

    “Families cannot survive in the wild on their own“…… someones never seen the fast and furious

  • @Sid00077
    @Sid00077 Місяць тому +207

    Our girl Tiny is back, so is the timestamps. August needs a raise!

    • @JonSnuh
      @JonSnuh Місяць тому +16

      August doesn't need anymore money lol

    • @bewareofmountainlions4429
      @bewareofmountainlions4429 Місяць тому +10

      I think he was overpaid to begin with. Man's got the deal of the century. Good for him 😂.

    • @savory_
      @savory_ Місяць тому +1

      August's raise is generating more views.

  • @howdareyou41
    @howdareyou41 Місяць тому +165

    I think he proved pretty resoundingly that he knows how to own himself

    • @jessesmith7836
      @jessesmith7836 Місяць тому +7

      Touché

    • @krombopulos_michael
      @krombopulos_michael Місяць тому +8

      Great comment, highly underrated by our degenerate society

    • @AmyZonkers
      @AmyZonkers Місяць тому +4

      You're just repeating what Destiny says. Come up with your own opinions.

    • @Fabric_Hater
      @Fabric_Hater Місяць тому +1

      ​@@AmyZonkerslet the statists cope. This was an insanely bad faith debate, which is why destiny covered it.

    • @datvo3076
      @datvo3076 Місяць тому

      @@Fabric_Haterbad faith how please explain.

  • @sigigle
    @sigigle Місяць тому +55

    That's why Andrew focused on that question, it showed that Dave had no foundation for his beliefs.
    Dave just gave up the NAP as soon as it resulted in something he just didn't personally like.

    • @off6848
      @off6848 Місяць тому +2

      Didn’t Rothbard or one of the other libertarians already make a stance something like you own your self if you have more than 80% control of your self
      That way a doctor probing your brain to make you twitch wouldn’t technically have half ownership of yourself
      I know one of them definitely tried to grapple with it but most lolberts just take most stuff for granted with no thought

  • @soyuzsovietsky
    @soyuzsovietsky Місяць тому +153

    As soon as you try to argue that you’re a libertarian but certain things that don’t violate the NAP should be disallowed by the government because God says they’re wrong and you say they’re icky, you’re completely lost at sea. That argument is unrecoverable.

    • @jordanwhite8718
      @jordanwhite8718 Місяць тому +13

      It’s kind of the same with free speech. There is no person on earth who is a true free speech absolutist. Everybody is fine with free speech until they hear something. They don’t like then they’re perfectly OK with banning it. Talk to conservatives in Florida and Idaho and you’ll quickly find out that they don’t want that gay shit being talked about which is why they’re basically getting rid of books from school libraries.

    • @krombopulos_michael
      @krombopulos_michael Місяць тому +10

      ​@@jordanwhite8718I mean you can make the libertarian case that they just don't want the government using school to push a certain type of speech, but these people would also happily see drag shows in private business locations banned.

    • @Fat-rhaenyra
      @Fat-rhaenyra Місяць тому

      @@jordanwhite8718but difference between the two things you’re talking about bud. Nobody cares if you’re gay in 2024, including “the far right conservatives in Florida who don’t like that gay shit” and forcing a sexualized agenda on kids in schools via the school library, is disgusting and isn’t the same type of thing as not liking the gays. I’ve never met a conservative in real life that “hate that gay shit” openly. Just face it, gays aren’t interesting or under any form of oppression. That’s why we’re forced to celebrate them for a month and 2 kids are facing 10 years for driving over a pride pained road on a scooter in an “aggressive” way

    • @deriznohappehquite
      @deriznohappehquite Місяць тому +2

      Dave was more lost at sea than the Spanish at the Battle of Santiago de Cuba.

    • @IbnRushd-mv3fp
      @IbnRushd-mv3fp Місяць тому +3

      I feel like you liberals can't deal with any moral quandary without resorting to circular logic, "oh he got no idea what libertarianism is" because libertarians don't make sense, but see the main argument that you can't have objectivity or authority in a libertarian society is just as stupid and unrealistic as the liberal assertions that anything is fine as long as its not hurting anyone.

  • @tedgallegos6512
    @tedgallegos6512 Місяць тому +107

    I can't tell if Dave realizes that he got bodied or if he thinks he did well

    • @krombopulos_michael
      @krombopulos_michael Місяць тому +11

      I think he's at the nadir of the Dunning Kruger curve and he fully believes he cleaned up here and that Andrew was just wasting time with silly arguments

    • @ethanhandel1001
      @ethanhandel1001 Місяць тому +9

      @@krombopulos_michael ​ No, he admitted he did poorly in this. Once they got past the NAP section Dave basically took over scoring the points but he definitely didn't do himself any favors in the first part.

    • @TheChance1991
      @TheChance1991 Місяць тому +1

      W Dave

    • @IbnRushd-mv3fp
      @IbnRushd-mv3fp Місяць тому

      You know, I've only ever seen morons online bring up the "dunning kruger" effect, I'm starting to think maybe there is some introspection to be had...

    • @Fabric_Hater
      @Fabric_Hater Місяць тому +1

      It was just bad faith and dave wasnt realizing people could be that bd faith.

  • @ribos2762
    @ribos2762 Місяць тому +18

    damn it seems Andrew wasn't joking when he said he usually spend the day reading books

  • @Imperial_Squid
    @Imperial_Squid Місяць тому +25

    The void called to me "it's so over", and I into that bottomless pit and whispered in reply "we're so back"

  • @Khazzz
    @Khazzz Місяць тому +22

    We need a debate pervertry term for when someone complains about being interrupted while interrupting their opponent just as much or more.

  • @iep6228
    @iep6228 Місяць тому +109

    What I hate about Dave is that he is completely abandoning basic libertarian values and all he is left with is “govment bad!”. Libertarians at least have core principles but these anti establishment bottom feeders are too one dimensional for even that. This is the “America bad” of the right wing.

    • @Cameron72737
      @Cameron72737 Місяць тому +2

      I mean right, the establishment hacks are totally where it's at!!! I mean amiright, amiright!?!?!?!

    • @datvo3076
      @datvo3076 Місяць тому +22

      @@Cameron72737ah yes saying he’s an anti establishment shill means you gotta shill for establishment. No wonder you guys are lost.

    • @azure_azure
      @azure_azure Місяць тому +9

      He's a paleoconservative populist. It's been clear for years. That's why he flounders anytime he gets pushback, he has no critically thought out principles.

    • @allrequiredfields
      @allrequiredfields Місяць тому

      Oh god, seriously - the America Bad-right wingers along with woke Christians are THE fucking worst.

    • @GomulDart
      @GomulDart Місяць тому +2

      @@Cameron72737 me when i false dichotomy:

  • @Themoosky2077
    @Themoosky2077 Місяць тому +17

    Dave doesn’t understand that most logic comes from taking the argument to the most extreme place.

    • @nevermindful
      @nevermindful Місяць тому

      the logic doesn't come from there, the underlying reasoning should just be most exposed at the extremes

  • @jocksharerock7318
    @jocksharerock7318 Місяць тому +54

    This is exactly why bubbles exist.JRogan depends on Smith as his go-to Guy, and here we see exactly why he shouldn’t be anyone’s, Especially when he’s one of the better ones for Joe

    • @ronniekregar3482
      @ronniekregar3482 Місяць тому +10

      Andrew Wilson shouldn't be anyones go to either lol

    • @jocksharerock7318
      @jocksharerock7318 Місяць тому +6

      @@ronniekregar3482 yeah, when Destiny knocked philosophy in the beginning, just going into the weeds gives me a headache

    • @mariomario1462
      @mariomario1462 Місяць тому +2

      Neither should Andrew lol

    • @krombopulos_michael
      @krombopulos_michael Місяць тому +19

      ​@@ronniekregar3482it's not an endorsement of Andrew Wilson's general world view, just that he was able to clearly expose Dave Smith as a moron who has no idea what he's talking about. Even if Dave Smith is absolutely right, he has no idea why he's right. He doesn't have the intellectual curiousity to think out his positions beyond the most surface arguments.

    • @ronniekregar3482
      @ronniekregar3482 Місяць тому +3

      @@krombopulos_michael I agree, but I don't like Destiny busting out the bucket of popcorn and start rooting for Andrew Wilson of all people, just because Dave Smith is ducking him lol.

  • @Docoloco123
    @Docoloco123 Місяць тому +70

    Dave Smith: not funny enough to be a good comedian, not smart enough to be a smart pundit, so he decided to be mediocre at both.

    • @Fabric_Hater
      @Fabric_Hater Місяць тому

      You got that from a bad faith debate?

    • @droptableaccount1820
      @droptableaccount1820 Місяць тому +1

      Show me on the doll where the opinion you don’t like touched you.

    • @johnd1047
      @johnd1047 Місяць тому +1

      @@droptableaccount1820I agree with the original comment….however that was hilarious. You should be Dave’s writer!

    • @firefly9838
      @firefly9838 Місяць тому

      Seems like a nice guy to me.

  • @areichental
    @areichental Місяць тому +125

    Dave needs a map bc he's clearly lost the plot, his position and this entire argument.

    • @droptableaccount1820
      @droptableaccount1820 Місяць тому +5

      Nice meaningless comment. Maybe one sentence saying why would help? But what would I expect from someone who pays for a UA-cam channel.

    • @TheSethOlson
      @TheSethOlson Місяць тому +11

      @@droptableaccount1820he said yes to contradicting ideologies with divine command theory and libertarianism

    • @robot7935
      @robot7935 Місяць тому

      ​@@droptableaccount1820 do you routinely navigate comment sections like a whiny little bitch complaining people didn't connect dots enough for you? 😂😂😂

    • @areichental
      @areichental Місяць тому

      @droptableaccount1820 I got you bro. If you're Dave and there to defend libritarianism, know what you're talking about. Libritarianism essentially is rugged individualism and seeks as little state intervention as possible. Asking for state intervention for suicide or even in incest, while reasonable violates a Libritarians agreement with the state in which unless I'm harming another person, the state has no business with me. If he wants to caviot that position, sure and I don't think it's unreasonable to do so but if you fly a Libritarian banner, defend it or at least understand it vs using it ad an aesthetic. Andrew had to teach Dave Dave's position hence Dave lost the plot, argument and direction on where he was gong bc he had no clue. If you watched, you'd see Andrew beat dave down with what should have been Dave's own talking points. Highschoolers have deeper ethical understandings than Dave. BTW, I pay for yt bc I enjoy it and I also understand Dave's position better than him. How about that?

    • @areichental
      @areichental Місяць тому

      @droptableaccount1820 actually I read some of your other comments. Plz get help for your cte bc I think your brain damage is severe and requires medical intervention. I gave u a like bc I believe you can recover.

  • @joesteel3459
    @joesteel3459 Місяць тому +22

    I’m not sure Andrew is actually being aggressive. I think he’s really just insisting Dave answer the question that was asked and not moving forward until he does. I’m just not sure if Dave is purposely doing this or genuinely thinks all of Andrew’s points are semantical. Also, Dave seems to be upset about the usage of “weird/extreme” examples like incest. Does he not understand that “weird/extreme” examples tend to be great tools to flush out ideas and establish foundational boundaries? I’m thinking Dave hasn’t thought out this libertarian thing very well, that’s why these examples are hard for him to grapple with.

    • @ronnickyjroy3
      @ronnickyjroy3 Місяць тому

      There's alot of things like that tho. For example
      Attraction is not a choice.
      Well known accepted concept. If we hold this as true.
      Being gay isn't a choice. They don't choose to be attracted to the same sex. They just are. For some this is easy to understand and accept, others not so much. But if we also accept this
      Pedophilia is not a choice. They're just attracted to kids. The only difference with their Attraction is that acting on it is illegal.
      Almost no one accepts this last one as a fact because the hatred and disgust that's held for it (and should be held for it). But we can't get away from the fact they don't actually choose to be that way, because Attraction isn't a choice
      Now if we want to have a debate on the topic of Attraction and choice if I were to harp on the pedo example you might ne weirded out and not want to accept that it applies to them aswell when it does

    • @ronnickyjroy3
      @ronnickyjroy3 Місяць тому

      It'd an extreme example, but you can understand why Dave may have reacted the way he did with the incest example and having it attached to a belief he holds

    • @joesteel3459
      @joesteel3459 Місяць тому

      @@ronnickyjroy3 sure but there’s a vast difference between attraction and action. I do understand you can’t control attraction. But my point is, Dave supposedly holds a libertarian position, which would allow a very wide range of freedoms. With that range being so wide, it’s probably necessary to use extreme examples to establish an idea of one’s limits on those freedoms. Dave basically conceded however that he’s less of a libertarian than he claims to be. While personally I’m not in favor of incest, I’m also not claiming to be libertarian. So if someone were to ask me about incest, I’m not bound to the amounts of freedoms a libertarian would be. I honestly believe Dave reacted the way he did because Andrew held his feet to the fire

  • @KMFWR
    @KMFWR Місяць тому +10

    I love the fact that he just keeps saying, "Yes I could prove this." and then proceeds not to do it. Cracked me up, not gonna lie.

  • @redeyedbuggers
    @redeyedbuggers Місяць тому +21

    I’m no fan of Andrew but GODDAYUMM he absolutely wrecked Dave Smith in this lmao

    • @Cameron72737
      @Cameron72737 Місяць тому +2

      Which part?

    • @aureum7479
      @aureum7479 Місяць тому +8

      @@Cameron72737the entire thing 😂

    • @datvo3076
      @datvo3076 Місяць тому +9

      @@Cameron72737the part where he has to explain basic NAP to him A SELF PROCLAIMED LIBERTARIAN. How can you call yourself libertarian and not know the first thing about it? Does he thinks being a libertarian just means you hate taxes and government bad? And all the moral foundation under doesn’t exist?

    • @Cameron72737
      @Cameron72737 Місяць тому

      @@datvo3076 he's only stated about a thousand times it's based on property rights and the non aggression principle

    • @Cameron72737
      @Cameron72737 Місяць тому

      @@datvo3076 circling everything back to God is not the NAP little buddy

  • @alexdevcamp
    @alexdevcamp Місяць тому +18

    "this is semantics" would fall under the "lazy gardener" AKA "let's not get into the weeds"

    • @heinshaaine8153
      @heinshaaine8153 Місяць тому

      When it is just cope for "I cant follow at all and dotn even understand the words your using"

    • @No_OneV
      @No_OneV Місяць тому

      Andrew didn't even go full force on him. Those are softball questions, Dave should have encountered at some point of his life ?! I never imagined he's this shallow.

    • @LesterBrunt
      @LesterBrunt Місяць тому

      I don’t get why semantics are considered a debate faux pas by some.

  • @LibertarianGuy
    @LibertarianGuy Місяць тому +16

    50:40 When you find out Dave Smith is a Conservative cosplaying as a Libertarian. 😂

    • @roymarshall_
      @roymarshall_ Місяць тому

      This is a well known fact. The Mises Caucus is a MAGA takeover of the libertarian party.

    • @JRuni0r
      @JRuni0r Місяць тому +1

      LINO patient zero, Libertarian in name only.

    • @MarkG-nl4oq
      @MarkG-nl4oq Місяць тому

      He’s actually a socialist tankie cosplaying as a Conservative cosplaying as a Libertarian

    • @LibertarianGuy
      @LibertarianGuy Місяць тому +1

      @@MarkG-nl4oq 🤣

  • @jmw1982blue
    @jmw1982blue Місяць тому +35

    I personally like Dave, but Destiny is 100% correct. He was not prepared.
    For a debate format, and someone that is more clever, Andrew Wilson should've had a debate formally with Michael Malice.
    Not saying which one is right or not, but it would be more proper.

    • @SFUPodcast
      @SFUPodcast Місяць тому

      I’ve been a fan of Dave and LoS for years, this was a bad showing I think because Dave is not well versed in philosophy… The comments all seem to think he’s retarded which I couldn’t disagree more… he was spot on throughout Covid and he usually has good takes but philosophy is not within his wheelhouse.

    • @machtnichtsseimann
      @machtnichtsseimann Місяць тому +6

      Andrew and M.Malice would probably be a great discussion/debate.

    • @SFUPodcast
      @SFUPodcast Місяць тому +3

      @@machtnichtsseimann I like andrew usually but sometimes I wish he could calm it down a little rather than aiming to demolish people he could find common ground with. But I understand why he debates in this way.

    • @lurifaks92
      @lurifaks92 Місяць тому +1

      @@SFUPodcast You clearly don't understand that community. You can find common ground with anyone, it means nothing.

    • @SFUPodcast
      @SFUPodcast Місяць тому +1

      @@lurifaks92 I don’t understand how my statement was incorrect but sure let’s say I was wrong… wouldn’t finding common ground inside of divisive topics then explaining the process in which you came to hold said belief be a good way to go about certain topics? I don’t think that arguing blindly on the broadest possible subject will make a single person evaluate their opinion. But I don’t understand the “community” so let’s just throw logical fallacies around and hope nobody catches on.

  • @Tauramehtar
    @Tauramehtar Місяць тому +16

    1:11:45
    Andrew would actually agree with you here Destiny. He uses the exact same argument himself against Christians who believe in Sola Scriptura.
    He is Orthodox, Sola Scriptura isn't part of his worldview.

    • @brendanmassie9586
      @brendanmassie9586 Місяць тому +2

      Would be interesting to see destiny engage with the Ortho bros. I think he would struggle to justify his epistemology. Destiny seems to be aware of that tho and even mentioned that Andrew knows more philosophy. After all if you study philosophy you’ll probably become either a nihilist or religious.

  • @UnofficialLesTwins
    @UnofficialLesTwins Місяць тому +35

    Andrew Wilson has been on a TEAR recently

    • @JesusIsAlphaOmega001
      @JesusIsAlphaOmega001 Місяць тому +13

      Hes definitely strong at what he does and deserves the recognition, in my opinion. Definitely a thinking man and a reading man and fairly charitable and polite all in all.

    • @alfiereeves6877
      @alfiereeves6877 Місяць тому

      Based LesTwins

    • @UnofficialLesTwins
      @UnofficialLesTwins Місяць тому +7

      @@alfiereeves6877 Just to be clear, I don’t agree with him and i’m not the real Les Twins lol

    • @alfiereeves6877
      @alfiereeves6877 Місяць тому

      @@UnofficialLesTwins L

    • @UnofficialLesTwins
      @UnofficialLesTwins Місяць тому +6

      @@alfiereeves6877 ur mom

  • @jordanwhite8718
    @jordanwhite8718 Місяць тому +57

    The only reason I even know who Dave Smith is is because of Joe Rogan. Which leads me to ask this question. Is Joe Rogan the male version of Oprah Winfrey? I feel like both of them have introduced us to people who were actively terrible people.

    • @starchillius
      @starchillius Місяць тому +8

      Daves not funny or smart but that doesn’t mean he’s a terrible person

    • @ZombieLincoln666
      @ZombieLincoln666 Місяць тому +4

      Oh Rogan is very much the male/comedian version of Oprah. That’s a good analogy

    • @IbnRushd-mv3fp
      @IbnRushd-mv3fp Місяць тому +2

      Dave smith is a terrible person but destiny is a beacon of moral superiority?

    • @daledilbeck9621
      @daledilbeck9621 Місяць тому +13

      @@IbnRushd-mv3fpno one has ever claimed that about Destiny including himself. Good comment😂

    • @wholesome01
      @wholesome01 Місяць тому

      Joe Rogan being the male Oprah is actually genius

  • @Tauramehtar
    @Tauramehtar Місяць тому +14

    Saw this live on The Crucible. What a massacre it was.

  • @sigigle
    @sigigle Місяць тому +7

    "Can you justify that?"
    "Yes. I don't like it."

    • @heinshaaine8153
      @heinshaaine8153 Місяць тому +3

      While the other side says: "I think my god doesnt like it"

  • @VasilyZaitsev08
    @VasilyZaitsev08 Місяць тому +24

    I don't think I've never seen a worse performance in a debate. I hope for Dave Smith's sake, his brain correctly identified the total mind and body violation happening, and decided to put him in PTSD auto-pilot mode so he can quickly quarantine, then forget such a violation ever took place.
    This debate literally gave me 2nd hand embarrassment. Holy Shit.

    • @heinshaaine8153
      @heinshaaine8153 Місяць тому

      Watch an episode of the atheist experience, most callers there are worse. But they are laymen defending delusion so they

  • @orcanimal
    @orcanimal Місяць тому +7

    Dave failed so many nap arguments, you know he took a nap as soon as this debate was over.

  • @Tauramehtar
    @Tauramehtar Місяць тому +9

    22:10
    "I don't even know any actual theories of truth...cringe nerd shit."
    - _Destiny 2024_

  • @mistakasaurus2446
    @mistakasaurus2446 Місяць тому +34

    40 mins in and you realize this is the most worthless debate/conversation to be had

    • @SurveyorStudios
      @SurveyorStudios Місяць тому +2

      I wish i could like this comment twice

    • @nolan13075
      @nolan13075 Місяць тому +16

      It pretty clearly demonstrated that Dave Smith is a hack that doesn't understand his own belief system. I'd say that's worth something.

    • @Fabric_Hater
      @Fabric_Hater Місяць тому

      It was insanely bad faith. But statists gotta grasp at anything to help them cope.

    • @Fabric_Hater
      @Fabric_Hater Місяць тому

      ​@@nolan13075you get that from.bad faith actors?

    • @nolan13075
      @nolan13075 Місяць тому +14

      @@Fabric_Hater no, I got that from Dave Smith saying he's cool with the state barging into private homes to arrest people for having sex with another consenting adult.

  • @cogitoergosum9069
    @cogitoergosum9069 Місяць тому +10

    Vegan Gains just destroying our Gusan al-Gaib out of nowhere was unexpected, but welcome.

    • @thomaswalmsley8959
      @thomaswalmsley8959 Місяць тому +1

      Yeah but he asked the stupidest question that destiny has been on record about multiple times, when he asked why wouldn't you eat a cat? Destiny would eat a cat and has said so, because he doesn't recognize the moral difference between a cat and a pig.

    • @cogitoergosum9069
      @cogitoergosum9069 Місяць тому

      @@thomaswalmsley8959 My comment was sarcastic. I was merely pointing out a situation I thought was humorous lol

    • @thomaswalmsley8959
      @thomaswalmsley8959 Місяць тому

      @@cogitoergosum9069 nvm. I'm the asshat

  • @kjetilknyttnev3702
    @kjetilknyttnev3702 Місяць тому +3

    When push comes to shove -LITERALLY, the NAP goes out the window for most libertarians. Dave is no exception. Weak moral foundations makes you a weak debater my friend.

  • @mollywock
    @mollywock Місяць тому +22

    Couldn't dave have won this debate by simply pointing out that liking Jesus is gay?

  • @societybelike
    @societybelike Місяць тому +14

    Despite disagreeing with Andrew on almost all of his beliefs, I think this was incredibly impressive and entertaining 😂

    • @thomaswalmsley8959
      @thomaswalmsley8959 Місяць тому +4

      Andrew's moral system is gross, but he's a solid debater and a fairly logical thinker and (seems) to have a solid understanding of philosophy.

    • @Emmanuel_EEE
      @Emmanuel_EEE Місяць тому +5

      ​@@thomaswalmsley8959Not sure how Christianity is "Gross". I guess love your enemies is gross. 😂

    • @thomaswalmsley8959
      @thomaswalmsley8959 Місяць тому +3

      @@Emmanuel_EEE 1) Wilson isn't a normal Christian, he's a subset of Christians, not all Christians are gross, but some definitely can be (because of their beliefs not as an ancillary thing).
      2) Wilson doesn't love his enemies, nor does he advocate for it. He's not the lovely dovey hippy Christian. Let's not pretend Wilson is something he isn't.
      You could actually make an argument that wouldn't be flatly dishonest about Wilson, which could go something lole" is it gross now to be against degeneracy?" As an example, where I would have to contend with his actual position, but you can't even be bothered to do that, and are just crying about some strawman critism about the whole of Christianity.

    • @Emmanuel_EEE
      @Emmanuel_EEE Місяць тому

      @@thomaswalmsley8959
      1. What the hell is a "normal" Christian? Christianity has different denominations, they generally all have the same foundation beliefs. Love thy neighbor as yourself, the Trinity, and some sacraments.
      2. Can you give me an example where Andrew didn't love his enemies? He may be aggressive when debating, but I haven't heard him tell people to off themselves because of what they believe.
      3. Degeneracy is bad for society because it mess with the order and designed of humans. Humans have a higher moral standing then animals do. So to engage with degeneracy is to be just like animals.
      4. No one's crying, you made a claim that Andrew's moral system is gross which directly means that Christianity is gross.

  • @lincabe321
    @lincabe321 Місяць тому +46

    Something something destiny is a girl’s name

  • @p.d.stanhope7088
    @p.d.stanhope7088 Місяць тому +13

    Dave Smith is just the typical garden variety libertarian where his core beliefs are rooted in bumper sticker statements. He will answer the question and then proceed to dismiss the question at the same time. The power of the dismissive.

  • @duckman896
    @duckman896 Місяць тому +5

    Shout out to Andrew, who, while he was a bit agressive, understood the assignment and material.

    • @jmac310289
      @jmac310289 Місяць тому

      Dave Smith is a comedian and typically, comedians are intelligent and insightful. What happened is Dave Smith was basically right about the COVID issues and JRogan platformed him and people mistakenly thought he would be intelligent and well read about a host of other issues. The problem is, Dave Smith is also arrogant af. So he accepted a debate that had the title of his supposed worldview in it and thought he could bullshit his way through the debate. The problem is Andrew literally describes his method of debate as gladiator debating or whatever. Basically he believes in taking your soul in a debate. That’s what he did. As for Destiny saying Andrew should have sucked Dave off for his career, the guy needed an ego check. If Dave can’t respect the skill and intellect and is going to be a dick because he didn’t get the softball treatment remember what he did to Cuomo. Did he grant him any grace or did he obliterate him and say it over and over? Don’t bring surface level views to a meta fight.

  • @dsfnemky812
    @dsfnemky812 Місяць тому +24

    Dave Smith is NOT grifting about the god stuff. If he was, I’d kind of respect him more. He alluded to it, but he literally just had a kid and changed his mind. Before that, he was a pretty firm atheist. It’s really indicative of his thought processes that his most firm beliefs are really based on not much more than a feeling.

    • @jackeagleeye3453
      @jackeagleeye3453 Місяць тому

      Kind of a weird thing though.... what if the kid grows up to be an a hole? Will he become an atheist again?

    • @Re-Todd_Howard
      @Re-Todd_Howard Місяць тому +1

      Why would you respect him more if he was a grifter?

    • @John-ky9so
      @John-ky9so Місяць тому

      also having a child will make you question everything you value. Logically if you don’t you are prob a incapable robot. Many people would actually find your opinion meaningless as you’ve never had a child, so you can’t possibly fully understand the world. I agree

    • @dsfnemky812
      @dsfnemky812 Місяць тому +4

      @@dieselbaby no, they’re not at all unless you’re using a super pedantic meaning of feeling. You can come to conclusions in a logical way, even if feelings influence your conclusion.

    • @dsfnemky812
      @dsfnemky812 Місяць тому +1

      @@Re-Todd_Howard because then at least he knows his argument is dumb but argues it anyway cause money. Like Peterson defending Christianity. It’s like playing devils advocate but for money.

  • @JEarls90
    @JEarls90 Місяць тому +3

    The duality of libertarians: hey fuck those laws…except the ones I agree with

  • @WhatsUpWithIan
    @WhatsUpWithIan Місяць тому +2

    Andrew had Dave so confused and flustered I think Dave literally couldn’t keep track of what he was saying out of his own mouth.

  • @MrGregglesC
    @MrGregglesC Місяць тому +41

    Dave Smith finally exposed

  • @GeekOverdose
    @GeekOverdose Місяць тому +4

    28:57
    In philosophy and logic, semantics are INCREDIBLY important. They literally translate to "meaning". You are assigning meaning to your syntax.
    Only on laymen conversations did semantics become a bad thing

  • @captainshakesbeard2453
    @captainshakesbeard2453 Місяць тому +13

    Dave Smith has built up a large ego as a debater

  • @Uddevalla00
    @Uddevalla00 15 днів тому +3

    This Dave Smith guy is just so incredibly stupid on almost every take

  • @kurtlee3198
    @kurtlee3198 Місяць тому +3

    dave has been around louis so long he's convinced he's super smart rather than louis is super dumb, big jay is a more successful comedian, louis owns it all and dave is the smart political guy, please dont take that away from him

  • @josephposenecker9741
    @josephposenecker9741 Місяць тому +11

    Most philosopher’s agree you can’t have objective morality without a religious belief. Alex O’Connor does a good job discussing all the reasons for this.

    • @youngKOkid1
      @youngKOkid1 Місяць тому

      But muh “philosophers have written about it” 😂

    • @rewrewrewrewr2674
      @rewrewrewrewr2674 Місяць тому

      You clearly haven't seen Alex's discussion with Joe Schmid then

    • @joge2468
      @joge2468 Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, not at all true. There’s an entire branch of philosophy called “Moral Philosophy” or “Ethics” that derives morality from other first principles.

    • @pamelapamper
      @pamelapamper Місяць тому

      ​​@@joge2468 u mean like what kant tried to do but failed? And kant actually believed in God, he was just trying to make a system that could pin point morality with just logics and he failed, his categorical imperative just devolves into circularity.

    • @joge2468
      @joge2468 Місяць тому +1

      @@pamelapamper Don’t go bashing Kant now. Yes, he believed in G-d. It doesn’t follow that the categorical imperative fails. Like Rawls’s fairness principle, it’s a perfectly legitimate form of morality to arise from humans using reason to derive a system upon which they could all agree. It’s amazing what a state of blindness can do.

  • @h3rbsman
    @h3rbsman Місяць тому +6

    Wow Dane Cook really fell off

  • @monkeybudge
    @monkeybudge Місяць тому +2

    Anyone who’s an old school Destiny fan probably remembers the incest debates. Good times and a genuine introduction for having to lay out your thought process and morals without just arguing things are “icky”.

  • @Lazerface84
    @Lazerface84 Місяць тому +2

    This is somehow an even worse performance than the Vaush unprepared debate.

  • @peterwright5311
    @peterwright5311 Місяць тому +11

    Since we're referencing 'Critique of Pure Reason' less than 2 minutes in, here's your official warning: do not try to read this book unless you have a strong constitution for turgid writing.

    • @droptableaccount1820
      @droptableaccount1820 Місяць тому

      I have something turgid for you pal.

    • @LesterBrunt
      @LesterBrunt Місяць тому

      Had to read parts of it at uni, still traumatized. I think I read the first page of critique of beauty about 10 times and I still barely understand what the f he was talking about. That is when I found the upper limit of my intelligence.

  • @PengWinYoutube
    @PengWinYoutube Місяць тому +5

    Lmao the libertarian world thing sounds a lot like cyberpunk 😂

  • @DaDa-rg6ts
    @DaDa-rg6ts Місяць тому +2

    Dave Smith just feels he's intelligent because he hangs out with people that are either dumber than him or that agree with him. This was the funniest piece of comedy Dave Smith has ever done

  • @doomknight2
    @doomknight2 Місяць тому +5

    How does he perscribe to libertarianism, and hold the belief that two consenting adults (when related) should be forced by the state not to engage sexual action and that people should be forced by the state (or anyone in his case) to not cause harm to oneself.
    As someone who finds interest in liberatarian views and hold views that often align, it would seem to me that a liberatarian would argue (or should argue) that a person should be allowed to do either of these things. Otherwise I must have completely misunderstood the basics of libertarianism.

    • @sigigle
      @sigigle Місяць тому +5

      Exactly. That's why Andrew focused on the question, because it showed that Dave had no foundation for his beliefs.
      He just gave up the NAP as soon as it resulted in something he just didn't like.

    • @soltier8965
      @soltier8965 12 днів тому

      In the same way the n8zi party said they were socialists.

  • @wrusst
    @wrusst Місяць тому +5

    I'm not even mad about the dictionary. I've definitely been in debates where people have made up definitions to a word to suit a bias, even when it has nothing to do with the word . Like he's a Nazi or fascist, when people using it as a term for a person they dont agree with.

    • @Lymbo88
      @Lymbo88 Місяць тому

      Well, Nazism and Fascism are very specific ideologies. Something like "ownership of yourself" can be taken in many ways. Owning myself in the eyes of God? Yes. Christians will say they have free will. However, they also belong to God. Do I have ownership of my brain? Yes. Well, what about the limbic system? What controls the brain? Neurons? Do you have control of your neurons?
      I agree that definitions matter, but when you get into the nitty gritty of, especially philosophically, ideas and concepts, the Webster dictionary doesn't really suffice.

  • @Mattskito529
    @Mattskito529 Місяць тому +12

    I can't believe I used to listen to Dave Smith and value his perspectives on things when it's grounded in nothing

    • @MartinRomero
      @MartinRomero Місяць тому +2

      This is the first time I heard of Dave Smith. I didn't even know there were libertarians that advocated for banning things! I had to stop watching Destiny's video because I wanted to actually hear the discussion and it did not disappoint. My favorite part was at around 20 minutes in where Dave was flustered because he thought his questions weren't being answered. It's even more funny to me that people in his audience will side with him or think that he won somehow. What a way to start my day.

  • @joellejean-louis8749
    @joellejean-louis8749 Місяць тому +2

    Me thinks Destiny is recovering from the amount of ass kicking over Gaza/Israel debates.. such a child!

  • @Sonyboj
    @Sonyboj Місяць тому +3

    Libertarians are so hilarious lmao. The family guy speech is top notch

  • @sup9023
    @sup9023 Місяць тому +29

    we’re so back

  • @tx5918
    @tx5918 Місяць тому +10

    Seeing Destiny and his fans give Andrew praise is peak irony 😂

    • @shafferfs
      @shafferfs Місяць тому +10

      You do realize you can disagree with Andrew's philosophy and also see that he clearly showed Dave to be a fool?

    • @kainoizking
      @kainoizking Місяць тому

      What’s ironic about it? It was a debate. One guy won. You don’t have to like the guy to understand that he clearly won the argument.

  • @grayhamgrayhamson1466
    @grayhamgrayhamson1466 Місяць тому +1

    lol I’ve used that “how do you pronounce your name again?” And they are like…” Dave “ 😂

  • @bradyseeley
    @bradyseeley Місяць тому +2

    Destiny is so methed out; needs to lay off the meds.

  • @ArchiveVibe
    @ArchiveVibe Місяць тому +3

    Dave brought a nail clipper to a sword fight

  • @chriscopley7265
    @chriscopley7265 Місяць тому +8

    I fucking hate Andrew but this was actually a super satisfying performance from him. He had me questioning atheism there for a minute and ready to come over to Christian dominionism

    • @vesuvius2444
      @vesuvius2444 Місяць тому +2

      How did he have you questioning atheism?

    • @biglennys1fan441
      @biglennys1fan441 Місяць тому +6

      I was an athiest until i started to listen to andrew wilson

    • @orochi5919
      @orochi5919 Місяць тому +2

      Come to the dark side

    • @chriscopley7265
      @chriscopley7265 Місяць тому

      @@vesuvius2444 it was a joke. Lol.

    • @Wesujin
      @Wesujin Місяць тому

      @@biglennys1fan441 W

  • @Varlist420
    @Varlist420 Місяць тому +1

    I feel like Dave didn't understand exactly what he was walking into because it was said they didn't even decide to debate until right before they started talking.

  • @kalplays9922
    @kalplays9922 Місяць тому

    This has been one of the most entertaining things to watch on UA-cam in weeks holy shit lmao

  • @ekaterinastaneva9922
    @ekaterinastaneva9922 Місяць тому +3

    Would be nice to see a debate between Andrew and Alex O'Connor

  • @rofflesvanwagon
    @rofflesvanwagon Місяць тому +7

    Funniest part is how scared of Andrew you are.

  • @brockwhite8699
    @brockwhite8699 Місяць тому +1

    It's crazy how having children can brake some people's brain so bad.

    • @cointomato9768
      @cointomato9768 Місяць тому

      Bro, you might be on to something 😂

  • @techninja3001
    @techninja3001 Місяць тому +1

    Smoking pot at your house when you don’t plan to drive or work and are over 21 in Florida is illegal but not immoral.

  • @socomchamp00
    @socomchamp00 Місяць тому +3

    What's crazy is the comments on that video. Everyone hating Andrew. They might not have understood what Andrew was arguing, either, though.

    • @justwannabehappy6735
      @justwannabehappy6735 Місяць тому +1

      Nah, we pretty know he's a debate perv. "Do you own yourself" is probably the most pedantic question possible after "how do you know you exist".

    • @socomchamp00
      @socomchamp00 Місяць тому

      @@justwannabehappy6735 but the question is to gauge Dave's fundamental beliefs. I didn't necessarily think Andrew is looking for a concrete answer, but rather, Dave's thought process to the question. Which he didn't have any.

    • @cointomato9768
      @cointomato9768 Місяць тому

      I guess being a debate perv is okay because asking "how do you know you own yourself" is a valid question if dave doesn't believe that which was demonstrated during the incest part.

    • @justwannabehappy6735
      @justwannabehappy6735 Місяць тому

      @@cointomato9768 how do you know you exist.

    • @Shrey1g
      @Shrey1g Місяць тому

      ​@@justwannabehappy6735 debate demon

  • @copyrightcharacter1166
    @copyrightcharacter1166 Місяць тому +22

    I believe in Jesus, I loathe how people are using Christ's name in this current age, American conservatives like Candace, acting like she's so pious. Firstly, Christ is King of Kings, and secondly, he said 'You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.' So enough obsessing over trans and onlyfans girls to try and make you appear better, Jesus died for your sins too Candace...

  • @bstaff812
    @bstaff812 Місяць тому +1

    Destiny you have gained a couple points in my book. Its refreshing to see someone with different views not hinder your view on a debate.

  • @OfficialCrashnet
    @OfficialCrashnet Місяць тому +1

    The main issue with Dave is that he isn't a Libertarian and has no actual principles.

  • @heisman987
    @heisman987 Місяць тому +5

    The other reason Dave will come out of this not looking as bad even after totally shitting the bed, is bc in a month after everyone forgot what actually happened, he’ll go on Rogan, being this up and they’ll talk about how crazy this other dude is and how he argued about incest and this other crazy shit and they’ll make jokes and make fun of the whole thing.

  • @malikshabazz2065
    @malikshabazz2065 Місяць тому +3

    cool, I found this right in my feed!
    great work!
    :-)

  • @Subgenrelol
    @Subgenrelol Місяць тому +2

    56:29 massive L for Destiny not choosing “The Picky Eater” that is objectively hilarious due to how abstract it is

  • @tobiastalks1070
    @tobiastalks1070 Місяць тому +1

    Imagine giving up your entire moral framework because you cant bite the bullet on a hypothetical

  • @micmack1006
    @micmack1006 Місяць тому +5

    Is it just me or is the editing up a notch

  • @skrrskrr99
    @skrrskrr99 Місяць тому +3

    Ahhh destiny. My favorite. I have to take breaks because youre so fucking addictive to listen to.

  • @yevgeniygrechka6431
    @yevgeniygrechka6431 Місяць тому +2

    Honestly, this is the type of Destiny content that I enjoy; I feel like he really hasn't done this in a long time. His foreign policy debates are not nearly as interesting since they largely come down to the question of which source to believe.

  • @Quakez0r
    @Quakez0r Місяць тому +1

    My imaginary friend told me X is not the philosophical own Destiny thinks it is.

  • @pheebs818
    @pheebs818 Місяць тому +5

    I can't stand Dave. He's got this arrogance that hasn't been earned.

  • @TheWinterfox10
    @TheWinterfox10 Місяць тому +11

    Andrew Wilson's question about owning oneself demonstrates a rather childish understanding of ownership. The way we can objectively state that one owns oneself is that ownership is a negative right, not affirmative. One does not actively acquire or gain the right to be; the mere act of existing denies all other beings the ability to exist in your existence.

    • @PuddingXXL
      @PuddingXXL Місяць тому +5

      The act of being or existing is not defining ownership though. Yes you're existence can't be affirmed or negated by negative or positive rights but that was not the question.

    • @TheWinterfox10
      @TheWinterfox10 Місяць тому

      @@PuddingXXL You're misunderstanding my point. I'm not speaking about affirming or negating someone's existence, all people and beings are presumed to exist. I'm saying that the fundamental concept of ownership isn't a societal construct because the core experience a being has is uniquely experienced by them by virtue of them existing as the being they are. Even in the times of slavery, a slave still owned his/herself because the slave was experiencing the labors and life of being enslaved.

    • @ethanhandel1001
      @ethanhandel1001 Місяць тому +1

      That whole section of the debate seemed pointless to me. Essentially, they were trying to argue the practical difference between the concepts of self ownership (Dave) and free will (Andrew) which could be an interesting discussion but these two just talked past each other during that section.

    • @mariomario1462
      @mariomario1462 Місяць тому

      ​@@TheWinterfox10 prove the slave owned themselves because they clearly did not

    • @TheWinterfox10
      @TheWinterfox10 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@mariomario1462 Of course the slaves owned themselves, proving that is easy. Did the slave do the work, or did the master? Did the slave get beat, or did the master? Did the slave eat? What about sleep? Everything that slave experienced, the slave experienced for themselves and they didn't experience it on someone else's behalf. Whether the slave had freedom to choose for themselves isn't relevant, because ownership isn't about freedom. It's about the ability to be a being that no other being can be. If that makes sense.
      You know that you own your house because no one else has the ability to live in YOUR house.

  • @gambitbeats2154
    @gambitbeats2154 Місяць тому +1

    As a person who hates Andrew's ideals, this was like a cat playing with a half dead mouse

  • @erik8719
    @erik8719 Місяць тому +2

    I love how Destiny breaks down the debate. I hope people learn from him and Dave’s bad example.

    • @fifab82
      @fifab82 Місяць тому

      Yep he’s crazy talented at it, the fact that he does it off the cuff is incredibly impressive.

  • @luismartinez8295
    @luismartinez8295 Місяць тому +3

    You do own yourself regardless of slavery you can choose to be subjugated or rebel. If you rebel you would probably been killed or you could have escaped. Ultimately the decision is up to you.

    • @mrmr2488
      @mrmr2488 Місяць тому +2

      This is the argument I think I would go down. If your choices and decisions come down to you, then you must own yourself. Nobody else can make you do anything. They can apply pressure and you can give up and allow it but there is always the option of disobeying and allowing death. But then you get into torture and methods of psychologically breaking someone and manipulation. It’s a hard one.

    • @ethanhandel1001
      @ethanhandel1001 Місяць тому +1

      100% and I don't understand why Dave didn't take that route. But what makes it even dumber is that Andrew believes in free will which is essentially the same concept. They were just too debate brained and talking past each other in this segment for the more interesting discussion about the differences between those two concepts to take place... also probably need someone more philosophically based than Dave Smith who is more a 'how it should work' than a 'why it should work this way' type of debater.

    • @_uncredited
      @_uncredited Місяць тому

      Dave avoided this because it undoes libertarianism. If self-ownership is not a social construct and you really do own yourself, then he cannot answer any interventionist question (eg. the brother/sister section) without violating the non-aggression principle. I mean, he still didn't answer that without reverting to god, but I'm sure he'll have a good think about it.

    • @LesterBrunt
      @LesterBrunt Місяць тому

      So ownership is about control. Then how can you claim stealing is wrong, what gives you a claim to ownership over something you don’t control anymore?

  • @joeybal1056
    @joeybal1056 Місяць тому +19

    It's refreshing to hear destiny recognize that Andrew is above him on the food chain.

    • @robertbarth5816
      @robertbarth5816 Місяць тому +8

      I've seen destiny own Andrew so...

    • @_AlmightyZoe14
      @_AlmightyZoe14 Місяць тому +5

      ​@@robertbarth5816 Cope harder

    • @robertbarth5816
      @robertbarth5816 Місяць тому +5

      @@_AlmightyZoe14 Okie dokie

    • @joeybal1056
      @joeybal1056 Місяць тому

      I've seen Andrew not preform great maybe 1 time out of alllllll the rest. What's your point?

    • @masterdclone2172
      @masterdclone2172 Місяць тому

      Then I don’t think you watched this video lol.

  • @bananian
    @bananian Місяць тому +1

    As a philosophy student, Merriam-webster is the answer key to all philosophical questions.

  • @ReallyAwesomeBoy
    @ReallyAwesomeBoy Місяць тому +1

    the problem with the government isn't that they make professional licenses, it's the coercion. Anarchist society would have an equivalent if every important government institution, but you get to opt out.