KQ Voice Loopback!: Live Stream Audio or Midi between Logic Pro iPad & AUM or Other Hosts (See Pin)
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- Giveaway Details in the pinned comment! This video has 3 main focuses:
1️⃣ How to stream / route midi or audio between Logic Pro for iPad and AUM (or others DAWS / host apps) in real time with minimal latency
2️⃣ Why I generally prefer AUM but am excited to be able to use these together
3️⃣ Why I finally decided to subscribe to Logic Pro after initially cancelling my subscription, and why I am not as impressed with Logic iPad 1.0 as I hoped I would be
❇️ Some useful video links:
At the time of writing this video has an open giveaway (be fast, it will end soon!) for some iOS apps (Polybeat, Cykle, Mollilooper), details are in the pinned comment: • Glitchy Vibes from BA-...
My AUM Walkthrough: • (Almost!) Everything Y...
My basic intro to getting started with Logic Pro for iPad: • Logic Pro For iPad | G...
❇️ Appstore Links:
AUM:
apps.apple.com/app/aum-audio-...
KQ Voice Plugins:
apps.apple.com/app/kq-voice-p...
Logic Pro for iPad:
apps.apple.com/app/logic-pro-...
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Donations, whether small or large, are very greatly appreciated. A lot of time and work goes into this channel and it pays a ridiculously tiny amount, despite my spending a huge amount of time researching apps, beta testing apps, reporting on bugs, learning how to use apps, discarding many video ideas that don’t work, making videos and all the other admin that goes with that, time spent on apps that for various reasons I decide not to review, etc! I really rely on community support, UA-cam simply doesn’t cut it! Very few people donate, so I really appreciate those who do. Mentioning this is in no way begging, but I think it is important for people to be aware of the reality of the situation. 😂🙏
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro to streaming / routing audio or midi between Logic and other apps
02:35 Using the Loopback modules from KQ Voice Plugins
07:27 How to set up Ableton Link in Logic Pro and AUM or other plugins to sync their transports
09:35 My experience using Sonobus (a free AUv3) to try to do this in Logic Pro
11:18 My current view on Logic Pro for iPad 1.0
24:20 Please remember to like, comment and subscribe, cheers! Gav
Hi everyone! I know a lot of people have found this video - and many others I've made - incredibly useful. I have some donation links below but I recently opened a Buy Me a Coffee page here, so if you're feeling the love, whether you are a musician or a dev, I'd really appreciate it if you could make a donation - no sign up required. Donations make a huge difference to how feasible it is for me to keep this channel going. Big thanks! ❤ buymeacoffee.com/953211370u
Original posts below:
Note: after an update, KQ Voice is now working with absolutely zero latency! Really perfect way to use IAA apps like the Lumbeat apps in real time in Logic.
🎉 Winners of any Kymatica app have now been picked! Insta: Behinder / Twitter: Rat Skrew / UA-cam: LFO, Alan R, Jason Clarke 🔥🔥🔥
Original message below:
GIVEAWAY: 5 Copies of any Kymatica app to give away. Kymatica is the dev of AUM and several other great iOS apps. 3 copies for my UA-cam subscribers, 1 for Insta followers, 1 for Twitter followers. To win on YT, subscribe, like the vid and write a comment, any comment. Links to Twitter and Insta will be posted soon but you can find me on either platform by searching for Gavinski's Tutorials. *Please read the instructions on Twitter and Insta carefully, as they are slightly different from the YT instructions. Winners will be announced in roughly 2 days.
Twitter Giveaway is LIVE!: twitter.com/gavinski_s/status/1672546576060018689?s=61&t=h9IT_HLFyi9pwn2iXlMGDQ
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🟡 This video has 3 main focuses:
1️⃣ How to stream / route midi or audio between Logic Pro for iPad and AUM (or others DAWS / host apps) in real time with minimal latency. Note that although here I am using it to send audio from Logic to AUM, you could equally use this to send audio or midi from AUM or another host to Logic. This means you can use, for example IAA apps in Logic!
2️⃣ Why I generally prefer AUM but am excited to be able to use these together
3️⃣ Why I finally decided to subscribe to Logic Pro after initially cancelling my subscription, and why I am not as impressed with Logic iPad 1.0 as I hoped I would be
❇️ Some useful video links:
My AUM Walkthrough: ua-cam.com/video/lHMFYZy-VP0/v-deo.html
My basic intro to getting started with Logic Pro for iPad: ua-cam.com/video/H_LIOz-Zz4k/v-deo.html
🟢 About Sonobus:
I mentioned Sonobus as a potential free solution to streaming audio in the vid, and that it didn't work for me in Logic. Just now I got this back from the dev, so looks like it might be worth trying:
Thanks, its working OK for me (SonoBus inserted on the main Stereo Out track), but I had to start the Logic transport once before it activated the plugin for some reason. After that it seemed to be "alive", even when the transport wasn't on. However, on my 2020 iPad Pro the audio sent from the iPad to the remote is glitchy unless I make Logic Pro use 512 sample buffer size. This isn't an issue with the standalone or with AUM as host.
❇️ Appstore Links:
AUM:
apps.apple.com/app/aum-audio-mixer/id1055636344?l=en
KQ Voice Plugins:
apps.apple.com/app/kq-voice-plugins/id6450491216?l=en
Logic Pro for iPad:
apps.apple.com/app/logic-pro-for-ipad/id1615087040?l=en
❇️ SUPPORT:
If you feel like helping out financially, consider maybe watching some ads (UA-camrs only get paid for non-skippable ads if the viewer watches for at least 30 seconds) - or even better, join the few generous souls who make a PayPal contribution from time to time.
Donations, whether small or large, are very greatly appreciated. A lot of time and work goes into this channel and it pays a ridiculously tiny amount, despite my spending a huge amount of time researching apps, beta testing apps, reporting on bugs, learning how to use apps, discarding many video ideas that don’t work, making videos and all the other admin that goes with that, time spent on apps that for various reasons I decide not to review, etc! I really rely on community support, UA-cam simply doesn’t cut it! Very few people donate, so I really appreciate those who do. Mentioning this is in no way begging, but I think it is important for people to be aware of the reality of the situation. 😂🙏
My PayPal
paypal.me/GavinskisTutorials?locale.x=en_US
My Bitcoin address:
bc1q2fuky36qjycd5hum0ey6tgzgm0wjs9w63qgzl3
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro to streaming / routing audio or midi between Logic and other apps
02:35 Using the Loopback modules from KQ Voice Plugins
07:27 How to set up Ableton Link in Logic Pro and AUM or other plugins to sync their transports
09:35 My experience using Sonobus (a free AUv3) to try to do this in Logic Pro
11:18 My current view on Logic Pro for iPad 1.0
24:20 Please remember to like, comment and subscribe, cheers! Gav
Thanks for the KQ Loopback demo. Audio AND Midi transfer is great! For the giveaway I would go for Sector.
That’s perfect, thank you for this tutorial ✨
Excellent. Glad to see another video - you're approach and insight is always fresh and interesting. Very helpful to hear your thoughts on Logic Pro for iPad. Thanks!
Thanks! Good to hear!
Thanks Gav! Super stoked for this.
Excellent demo! Thanks for making it.
Thanks Ed! Latency issues are now completely fixed in the latest update to KQ Voice. Can now use Lumbeat Drummer or other IAA apps with zero latency in Logic Pro iPad, woohoo!
Very cool, Gavin. Thanks!
Very cool. Thanks, Gavin!
Gret video! 👏🏻 I love Kymatica apps and I've aways wanted to use SECTOR app 😍 This time has come! 🎉
Very interesting, cheers mate 🍻
It's nice, thank you for demonstration.
Thanks!
Very useful stuff. Thanks for the vid!
Excellent Gav. I'm loving Logic, but I agree about the UI. This suite of plug ins looks very interesting 😮
You won! Please email me ASAP at the email address posted in the About section of my channel and also send a reply to this message here in YT just before you email me. In your email mention your youtube name and which Kymatica app you want. If I don't hear from you within 24 hrs I'll pick another winner, cheers!
@GavinskisTutorials cheers Gav, I'll email you immediately 👍
I love AUM. its more my vibe compared to logic. Am eyeing AU3FX:Dub next. Thanks for the demo!
Different strokes! Yeah, I definitely feel AUM is more my bag
Thx for the demo. Push would be my choice!
Thanks for the tutorial. Great to see a work-around for using both.🤙🏼
Decided to pay for the next month to see what updates come, but I was really disappointed that they didn’t come out with any updates in the first month. Some Devs come out with updates within days!
I don’t see why Apple can’t do the same, especially if it’s subscription. Thanks again 🤙🏼
Yeah I was also surprised they didn't release some kind of update!
100% agree. If you do want a linear workflow, one can use 4pockets Helium
Great idea, thanks! And, thanks for the chance!)
Will definitely try this out!
I sit in the corner and am fascinated by Logic Pro but love Kymatica AUM. Logic is a good alternative for finishing music as I often find myself in and just grooving without finishing. I find.Cubase's interface less work-friendly and watch with excitement on what Kymatica does in the future in terms of updates for a loyal user who wants to complete songs
A more complete timeline assembling tracks…you get the point😅
Thanks👍
Hi res midi, a mixer only view, built in automation recording etc would be my main requests!
You're bang on about AUM but this was a solid tutorial. Thanks.
Great that we can do this now! Still haven’t tried the Logic trial - soon I will. (If I won I’d take AUv3 Dub.)
I appreciate you sharing your insights regarding Logic for iOS. I've been eagerly anticipating a video like this from a reliable source. Currently, I primarily use Cubasis 3 and AUM, and I believe I'll stick with them for the time being. However, I'll definitely stay updated on Logic's advancements and progress.
I tell it like it is! Glad you appreciate this. 🔥
Your love of Sculpture inspires me to revisit it on the Mac. AU3FX:Push would be my choice.
I really do love physical modelling. Plasmonic, unfortunately desktop only, is my fave PM synth to date
Thanks for the demo.
You won! Please email me ASAP at the email address posted in the About section of my channel and also send a reply to this message here in YT just before you email me. In your email mention your youtube name and which Kymatica app you want. If I don't hear from you within 24 hrs I'll pick another winner, cheers!
@@GavinskisTutorials Thank you!
So cool to have indie developers like Ryouta! Im not an AUM user yet, but I think I’m missing out big time 😅 So I’m in! Thanks for such a detailed video
Aum rocks!
appreciate ya brother ✌🏽❤️🤘🏽
Awesome!
I always wanted to have PeakQ because it’s a visual eq and looks simple one to use and perfect for iPhone. Everyone says great things it even ranked #2 below ProQ 3 that’s only for iPad. Push, Dub, Space look like killer FX’s too. So whoever wins a giveaway will end up with great apps no matter what they chose, all of them are 5star for a reason, but PeakQ should be the first choice if you don’t have an eq
Interesting, thank you.
I use Logic Pro on my Mac and AUM on my iPad and kind of view them as two more or less completely different things. Logic for linear recording perhaps, although I use tons of loops to build up compositions, and AUM for performing, although I use tons of Atom Piano Roll 2 loops to build up compositions. So because Logic was my primary Mac environment, it was kind of a no-brainer for me to get it on the iPad. And that in no way is going to diminish my use of AUM, but the round-trip capabilities will let me work on things when I don't have my laptop. Will totally (continue to) use both Logic and AUM though.
The only problem with round trip is that I hear the AUv3 apps that also have Mac equivalents don't actually work for round trip for some reason, is that correct?
@@GavinskisTutorials Well, yes and no. When I first switched to Logic several years ago I immediately disliked the way it wanted you to save your AUv3 patches in Logic and not in the apps themselves. That was a total pain because that meant that a great patch I made in my iPad was sometimes difficult or impossible to transfer over to my Mac, or vice versa. But turns out they did it that way on purpose knowing there'd be Logic on the iPad some years in the future. And that's where we are today. So, if you save your presets in your AUv3 app yes, you may have problems. But if you save them in Logic instead it works great. (When looking at a plug-in editor tile, tap the three dots in the upper right and tap Save As…) If you save your patches in Logic this way they'll round-trip just fine.
I think I have heard that this is not the issue, it's some other kind of compatibility problem, but not sure, I don't use desktop, in general, so doesn't affect me 😝
It's good to know there is a solution.
Great video Gav. Personally I’m going to hold on to Logic to see what (hopefully) Apple do with it. It also gives me another workflow I can use and develop aside from AUM which I recommend to everyone who wants to create music on an iPad. But you are absolutely spot on with your points here! Cheers Gav.
Glad you agree. I also have no problem with those who disagree, for whatever reason, too, though! We all have different needs, workflows, expectations
@@GavinskisTutorials exactly! World would be bit boring if we all agreed. It’s the people who dare to challenge and think differently that break away and come up with new ways that make us human. 👍🏼
I know Logic for iPad would be familiar to me, but I’d rather use it on my desktop, as I’ve already paid for it outright. The subscription for iPad is really bothersome to me given that. I’ll just stick to desktop for mixing at the end, and leave iOS for playing around creatively. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
A lot of people are doing that, I think!
Now I know how to do it. Not sure if I'll need it 😀
Haha
Thanks, Gavin.
Cheers Douglas!
Interesting, thanks.
Cheers!
AUFX: Dub would be nice! Great demo ❤️
Thanks for the show! Any of the two work to bridge with Cubasis?
Maybe, not sure, don't use cubasis! Good question for you to ask on the Audiobus Forum maybe!
Great video. I use Logic on desktop for my mixing and mastering and AUM for creating ideas and like you I am looking for the best live setup using the iPad. For me there is a flexibility with AUM that I love and as you said it is very familiar. At this point I’m really just trying to find the best live setup for me. I’ve done some live stuff but it’s not quite there yet.
Yes, aum is stable enough as a host, the main problem is feeling sure that an auv3 or two won't bloody crash! That 'bad signal' error is also a bit too common for my liking!
I’ve known since way before that Logic was gonna come eventually. Everyone said to keep dreaming. Now it’s reality
Thanks Gavin. I am Logic Pro Mac user, so have been waiting for this on iPad. I hope Apple will make some improvements soon and take into consideration the points raised by its users. Basically, the free month is so we can beta test it for Apple.😂 I also love AUM and use it for sketching ideas and experimenting with new apps. I would love to win a copy of this, but noticed it is not an option. If I could choose a Kymatica app, it would be Sector, because it looks interesting, and because it is not AUV3, which is why I wouldn’t buy it.
Good video
Cheers!
Great Vid. Just bought loopback and it works flowless. My question is, is it also possible to use the wonderful AUM as an input in Logic?
Haven't used it in ages, I think so but you'll have to check, maybe Audiobus Forum is a good place to ask! I dropped my Logic sub after making this video, I just vastly prefer aum!
Interesting. I'd love to win
Useful thing
It may sound stupid, but I don't have AUM yet, so it's worth to try and take a chance.
Aum is so good if you want an experimental playground!
Fingers crossed.
I had a lot of latency issues using Sonobus over the network, but it kinda worked. I suppose it needs some rework for Logic but it could be a good workaround.
Also running into latency issues with loopback, I think they might be solvable via the various tweaking options in aum but I basically never needed to use latency compensation before so I need someone to explain the most elegant solution to me
I have yet to see any videos of anyone actually recording audio into Logic for iPad using the KQ Loopback. I asked the developer in the comments of one of his videos if it were possible. He replied that it was not and that I should seek a refund. He even added the disclaimer that is does not record. So far I'm seeing mixed messages about whether this can be used to record IAA instruments from AUM into Logic. I have been able to get it to connect and can record MIDI as well as hear the audio and see it on the level meters but it does not record. One commenter says that the hosts have to be loaded in a certain order but did not specify what the correct order is. It is really a shame that Apple removed IAA from Logic for iPad. It still remains in GarageBand which is curious.
Interesting - I think he mentions on the AppStore description, or at least did somewhere, that record may not work. In that case your best bet would just be to record in AUM and export stems to Logic. But yeah, annoying that IAA is not supported. Also annoying that Logic does not allow you to view more than one AU window at a time - in that sense, IAA would fit in very well lol
I love your tutorials but what I've always been interested in... is there anywhere i can listen to your published songs? if there are Any
I don't honestly see much point publishing anything until my reach is a bit wider. One day though! Thank you for the thought, much appreciated!
Greetings, would you be so kind as to let me know what you consider the best option for recording and editing vocals? I use AUM quite exclusively and even when I leave, I come back for workflow and convenience. With that said, I historically tried to use 4 pockets multi track recorder, within AUM, but I found that it lacks integrity in longer recordings. Are there any other options for vocals that is similar to the aforementioned?
No idea to be honest as I don't work with vocals. For recording, aum inbuilt recorder is 32 bit float so that's not an issue. For editing I'm not sure. I never liked the workflow in that 4pockets app, I just find it doesn't gel with me. The Audiobus Forum would be a good place to ask for advice, cheers!
Interesting. Should help workflow
Oh God please give me this app !
Logic is a big thing despite all the imperfections.
It is, it will definitely bring people to the platform and a lot of them will discover the AB forum or channels like this and realise there is a whole world outside of Logic on iOS. So few desktop musicians are aware of this!
hmmmmm cool vid.... do i need AUM if i have DRAMBO and a Computer with Logic ??
That depends I guess. If you like and know how to use Drambo well, it probably has you pretty much covered. I personally never really got into Drambo, though I keep meaning to, so am not the best person to ask.
Can you send audio from AUM to Logic Pro if so how as tried with Future Drummer and couldn’t figure out how? If I stick voices as a effect alI I get is loop in option. Obviously if I put Voices in as a instrument I can’t route Future drummer into it ?
Haven't tried Paul and I'm a bit busy today. It should work - maybe ask on AB Forum, or ask the voices dev? Let us know if you figure it out, cheers!
In fact I'm pretty sure someone posted something in ABf today about this very scenario, sending lumbeats to logic from aum
@@GavinskisTutorials All sorted now Gav it depends on the order you open DAWs from and to I believe that I was screwing up. I have noticed you don’t always get the 4 routing options available even when you shut down apps using IAA you get midi ghost apps that still keep the connection.
Not sure. Anyway, I just tried it now and it worked, was just about to message you. But do u know offhand how to fix the latency in Logic? I tried some settings, no joy
Kymatica is great.
One of the most important ios devs, yes!
Signal routing is something that always scares me😂
A lot of people fear matrixes especially! You get used to them, but yes, routing in Logic, whether modo5or audio is not as intuitive or flexible as in aum, arguably
I love the Sculpture UI on iPad. Very clear and everything laid out without unnecessary hiding or menu diving. It’s weird to me to compare Logic to AUM. To me they’re apples and oranges. I find Logic perfect for me, but it won’t be replacing my AUM use-cases. If you don’t have the use-case that Logic addresses, then no surprise it isn’t for you. I do find it annoying, though, that any DAW has built-in plug-ins. Sculpture (and the other Logic plug-ins) should be made AUv3. And the same for other DAWs. We shouldn’t need workarounds to mix and match.
All true! Though we disagree on the sculpture UI. I'm glad they redesigned it but I think it could be so much better!
Hey man! Interestig development :) I don't suppose you tried doing it the other way 'round, did ya?
I didn't re-sub to Logic for 2 main reasons. Firstly, having it on desktop makes the mobile version a harder sell for someone like me, who tends to be at home most of the time anyway. But the bigger frustration was not being able to use IAA with it. If I could use AUM or BM3 to route audio into Logic, it might tip the balance.
Cheers for the video :}
Actually...not to worry. just seen it's being discussed on ABF.
All the best :)
Yeah! I did manage it but with latency
@@GavinskisTutorials Therein lies the kicker, I guess. Presumably the streaming audio that had been streamed directly from AUM to LOGIC could be adjusted on LP's timeline. But then there's going to be too much latency in the first place to record a live part, unless exporting a quick bounce from Logic to AUM...which completely circumvents the need. Seems an unnecessary expenditure just to have to avoid bouncing a part from AUM and importing it to LP ;)
Think I'll see if Sonobus gets updated, and try with that.
Cheers :)
Well I tried just now using ruismaker from aum to logic and the timing was good, not sure why the latency is terrible when using the lumbeats drummer
@@GavinskisTutorials Curious, indeed! but there's still latency going to AUM, right? The ultimate for me (and others, I'm sure) would be to able to have Logic routed to AUM and back again, so that IAA apps could be played and recorded into LP on-the-fly.
But I wonder if that's even necessary. Perhaps all that's needed is for LP and AUM to be sync'd via LINK to provide timing and audio cues. Then just record ThumbJam, for instance, into a looper etc and import that file back into LP? (Forgive my newb-ish ignorance. I've never used Link).
KQ Loopback need .) hope
Unfortunately that dev seems to have some kind of problem with youtubers giving promo codes away, so it is not part of the giveaway options, sadly!
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Thnx 4 the video .
Cheers!
so can i use it the opposite direction. I want to record the audio i make writhing aum, into logic. can it be used that way ?
Absolutely! Then just load Loopback In as an fx after your first aum audio, then load Loopback Out as an instrument in Logic 🔥. So now you can use your IAA apps, for example, directly in Logic
I just did this with a lumbeats app in aum routing into logic, no problem except some noticeable latency issues which I think can be solved but I need guidance on how best to do so
Hi, Can you use "AUM" to send audio to "Zoom Meeting"?
Good question. It I have no idea - might be a good question to ask on the Audiobus Forum, cheers
I aspire to Logic, but seem to be stuck with Wish Fulfilment. Give me any Kymatica app I don’t have already.
How many streams of audio can you send via loopback?
There are 4 loopback in instances and 4 out. If you wanted to send multiple audio sources, for example, via one instance, you would simply need to route those several instruments to a bus, add 1 instance of Loopback In in the FX slot, then open a corresponding Loopback Out instance in the host app you want to send the audio to
@@GavinskisTutorials Got it, thanks for the clarification. I am on the verge with Logic. One cool update and I'm in :D
Get out of my head, been trawling around for this for a few days!
Hope it will be useful haha!
You won! Please email me ASAP at the email address posted in the About section of my channel and also send a reply to this message here in YT just before you email me. In your email mention your youtube name and which Kymatica app you want. If I don't hear from you within 24 hrs I'll pick another winner, cheers!
Did you get my message saying you won? You have 8 hours left to respond before I pick another winner instead, please be fast!
OK, sadly I didn’t hear from you so will pick another winner
Did I make it in time. Pick me, pick me, pick me, I’m regressing to childhood begging to win this one. Lol.
Too late!