Sainsbury's just got SERIOUS about EV CHARGING! [EV News - Week 2 2024]
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- In this week's EV News, Sainsburys announce their new ultra rapid charging network, Toyota make some piss poor excuses about not making affordable EVs, BYD sales overtake Tesla in Q4 2023 and Oxfordshire County Council announce a busload of electric buses!
Sainsbury's Smart Charge - smartcharge.co.uk/
Toyota patheticness - www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...
BYD sales - www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-6...
Oxford electric buses - news.oxfordshire.gov.uk/launc...
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00:00 Intro
00:42 10,000 subs! thank you!
01:30 Smart Charge by Sainsbury's
07:27 Toyota gon' Toyota
08:59 BYD sales
11:14 Used Bargain of the Week
13:29 Electric buses for Oxford! - Авто та транспорт
Great video Gary and congrats on the numbers! Only complaint today is where were the cats!? Missing their contribution. 😆
Congrats on the 10k.
Thank you!
My local Sainsbury Crayford, went live a couple of weeks before Christmas, 16 rapid chargers and very close to the A2.With a four hour no penalty stay.Shame that they don't give you a money off voucher or nectar points with every charge😂.
Toyota are screwed and it’s self inflicted. They have ignored EVs for years and still have no commitment to them and continue to fund anti-EV lobby groups. They also have massive debts. It’s difficult to see much future for them when their business collapses.
Leicester are using quite a few electric buses now - they're painted green in case you can't tell you're not getting choked by the fumes...
Great channel. I try to watch a few to get a well balanced view of EV’s. Am just waiting for a date to pick up our first EV. A used Zoe. Can’t wait. Keep up the great work. 👍👍👍
Zoe, had quite a few from the 60 mile to the 240 mile one, loved them all !
Used is the best route for an EV. I got a used 2019 BMW i3 and love it. EV's are so good in the cold weather too. I love pre heating the cabin :-) It uses about 1% of the battery too. As I don't travel that far either one charge a weeks does me for £3 and 160 miles. Nothing not to like.
I have a Zoe, nice little car, especially if mainly used for shortish journeys. With the Renault 5 EV coming out later this year you might find Renault dealers keen to sell at a discount!
Same here except for McTwat , Gimp buys cars etc.
Like the balanced views here and also on Dave Takes it On! All Supermarkets doing this would be proper gamechanger.
Buses are good for electrification as they don't use fuel at the stops whilst being used unlike diesel buses spuming out fumes all day long.
rapid charging at supearkets makes 11:11 a lot of sense, 30 minutes and I've completed my weekly shop.....congrats in 10
Yes. I think destination chargers make sense if there's one in a lot of/most spaces like in Norway. Or at a hotel or other location where you are trying to spend a lot of time there. A cinema car park means you're there for 2-4 hours (depending on how obscenely long the film is because we don't do matinees anymore) but at a supermarket you want to be in and out. When travelling long distance, we mainly stop at motorway services but there are parts of the country where it's just an A road and a local supermarket. If I were a local, I might want some destination charging (particularly if I don't have home charging) but I won't stay there longer than I have to. Although, make sure your supermarket has a reliable greasy spoon and it'll completely change the character of people's shopping habits. At an out of town centre with multiple shops, I might stay there for a few more hours.
It definitely needs a mix in many places and I'm sure in ten years every space will have a destination charger, or a rapid one.
It is rare that any one company in any market holds an absolute monopoly.
Not a company but there's only one Monopolies Commission. 😅
I don’t understand why charging is so expensive in the Uk! Here in Finland fast charging (100kw) 33cent makes me wince. 17cent at Lidl
In the UK we are simply getting ripped off. If you need to regularly use public chargers it is NOT cost effective to run an EV in the UK.
Derry/Londonderry has had Electric Buses for a while too, so does Leicester, but Derry was the first in the UK to adopt them. They have been great, really nice not hearing the nasty gurgle of the old diesel ones, and do not smell at all when driving by (the old ones smelled like a mix of rotten chip fat, diesel, and coal fires... they used a "cheap" fuel blend... it was nasty).
There needs to be cheaper charging options from supermarkets, but it is nice to see Satansberries at least bringing some (would be nice to see them installed quicker, and some in Northern Ireland... we have so few chargers by comparison).
Good review of the EV news as always, and congratulations on the 10k subs!!! Keep it up boss!
10 years ago before I retired Sainsbury had been going green with solar panels on their roofs not just to power their a/c but to feed into the grid also heating with biomass and ground source heating
Love how this channel is developing. Keep up the great work buddy
Sainsbury certainly are serious. Removed the free destination chargers and installed rapids at 79p a kwh. Tesco for me.
Yep a bit of an own goal I would say. They should be 50p at most if you use your Storecard or a code from the store to show you have bought something. Tech could sort this out no problem.
@michaeldawson6309 supermarkets are the ideal place for destination chargers. My fear is that rapids will take over. Assuming most supermarkets are within a short drive from where people live, why would you pay 79p instead of cheap nighttime rates. Plus 20 mins in, you will have to go out and move your car.
Are Sainsburys offering subscription packages? Usually if you take out a subscription to a charge network, you can charge at a discounted rate, often at 30% or more off the non-subscriber price..... My local charge network is priced at 38p per kwh if you use one of the 3 subscription rates they offer.... The 3 rates are aimed at heavy, medium and light users, with the 38p rate being the heavy user price, and 48p being the light (low mileage) user rate.
Hi all, Oxford city council, electric buses, park and ride, bev's. Park car up plug in to destination chargers you know the rest. It's all about joining the dots.
Coventry has a mostly electrified West Midlands travel bus fleet.
Coventry in general are well ahead of the game in EVs infrastructure eg number of public chargers. Shows what can be done if done properly.
I wonder if Sainsbury will put 6 chargers at every supermarket as they have 600+ with car parks, 3600 overnight would be phenomenal!!!
Who’s buses did Oxford go for, bet its BYD !
Wrightbus
Damn…wrong again !!!!!
Good question - will they target the highest traffic supermarkets and put in thirty chargers in each, or will they do a handful at each site to get some in every location faster? My guess is they'll do a mix and it'll be dependent on which ones have sufficient grid connection and/or where they can get more deployed faster. Now if only they'd bury the car parks like civilised human beings and stop having tarmac wastelands for zero reason.
Genius, go do your shop whilst your car charges, supermarkets nicking the oil companies business! Panic stations , Bp,shell, Esso, we’re did your business go? Shell supermarkets ??? 😮
Very informative Gary, our local Sainsbury's in Penzance has 2 Podpoint destination chargers.
Congrats on the 10k subs, thanks for the news.
Thank you!
I thought BYD had stopped producing internal combustion vehicles over a year ago
Seems you’re right - still plenty of hybrids though!
@@ModernHeroes ah ok, stopped "exclusively" ICE powered cars
Too early to commit to buying an EV. 5 years time perhaps when all the issues are sorted out, they are cheaper and the charging infrastructure is foolproof.
You failed to mention that if Sainsbury s, Tesco, Asda and Morrisons all go down this route. We all like supermarket price wars and this could reduce price's. 50p pkh could be the future😊😊😊😊
Were you watching the same video!? It was not just mentioned but emphasised. Electricity in general needs to be more fairly priced in this country.
My local public charge network is priced at 38p per kwh if you use one of the 3 subscription rates they offer.....
Been to see the bishop Auckland install, one of the first and it's very good kit 👍
Great video. Like many people since Covid I’ve had Sainsbury’s home delivery and so avoided car park scrapes etc! Is this intended to get more of us back into their stores I wonder but not at 75p/Kwh imo
Yeah I saw this the other day ,this is great news,well done Sainsbury’s,wouldn’t it be good if they do a discount scheme for loyal customers,Cheers fella 👍😉💪
Not everywhere, check Sainsbury's Selly Oak. Several pod point chargers there have been out of service for years. Complaints haven't got anywhere.
Suspect they’ll be removed fairly shortly - this new strategy is clearly the one they’re following.
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Thanks for this informed episode! (I subscribed last year). Sainsbury's haven't exactly rushed their EV charging provision, but the faster speeds are a bonus. Let's hope Nectar, their dscount card partner, will feature in reducing the 75p price. It's an interesting move by Sainsbury's who have spent the last 5 years reducing their in-store services: no fresh meat, deli and fish counters. Cafes closed. Any new counters, such as sushi, are externally funded franchises, so no staff costs to Sainsbury's.
Good for Sainsbury’s and lets hope the 100 sites expands rapidly as they have 1400 stores altogether. South and west Cumbria has been something of a charging desert until the recent opening of hubs in Workington and Whitehaven. Geniepoint have been woeful and have clearly only been repairing and replacing their Morrison’s sites. However there’s still nothing between Whitehaven and Barrow in Furness.
Destination changers are becoming almost unusable. The councils and supermarkets are hiring parking enforcement companies to make these almost useless. Eg. Tesco 15 minutes if the store is closed no return within one hour penalty £70. Aldi 1.5 hours no return within 4 hours, penalty after the store closes an instant £70 by parking eye through your letterbox. So if you want to charge or you have a fossil burner and you have done your shopping but return because you forgot the milk it will cost you £70 councils & county councils also are imposing outrageous terms to use street charging even in the dead of night when those of us that can’t have home charging could use them
Yeah that's not viable and Parliament needs to legislate it out of existence. You can't be charging people for charging then also fining them for being parked that's silly.
Any fool can put a charging system in place as you know the secret is in the ongoing maintenance needed for them to work when you draw up.
Too late for me. Sold my EV 10 days ago and back to petrol, just in time for the winter freeze
I'm surprised Sainsburys and alike don't subsidise the charging by 5-10p per kWh. Yes it'll cost them £5 for a 50kWh charge, but how many people would stay in the shop a little longer browsing and spending a little more than they usually would? They have a whole department dedicated to repositioning products on shelves to get us to buy more so if that works then keeping people in the shops a little longer must equal higher sales?
Supermarket charging prices are ridiculous
The other Oxbridge city, Cambridge has a number of electric busses on the park and ride route. They are lovely and so quiet, a pleasure to ride in.
Any news on the London electric bus that caught fire, was mentioned with glee by the petrolheads in my local pub.
I I understand it was a Hybrid, not an Electric bus.
Have the petrolheads in your local pub ever touched on the fact that around 300 petrol and diesel cars catch fire each day in Britain? I'd ask them next time you see them. You might also like to ask them if they heard about the Liverpool car park fire around 10 years ago, when an old Land Rover burst into flames. Around 1600 other cars were destroyed in the resulting blaze. Suggest they may like to Google it and read about it.....
@@DavidPlayfair there were 2 bus fires. First was fully electric. The next day a Hybrid caught fire.
@@SteveTheTechydo diesel busses never catch fire
@@Brian-om2hh I have made this point, but it is an uphill battle. One still insists the Luton fire could only have been electric. His reasoning is that dropping a lighted match into a pool of diesel extinguishes the match.
Great news thanks
Cheaper EVs that people want to buy
That is contrary to private (non company) purchase figures from the last two years with a decrease from 30000 evs 2 years ago and 22000 evs last year.
Not exactly proof that private buyers are flocking to them
Germany reported a 60% decrease in EV sales.
There is a BYD sales facility in Exeter, right next door to other car companies. They have made the other companies to rapidly reduce prices
Supermarkets with rapid chargers is a logical extension to their petrol operations except that most people go to a supermarket which is local to them , not requiring a 100 mile round trip. However this would become very useful for those without the ability to charge at home. Of course if you are on a road trip and need to recharge a supermarket could be a good place to take a break, usually a cafe, toilets and if you need snacks etc. Even better if you are on a self catering holiday with a supermarket nearby or on the way. The next step for Sainsbury’s is nectar points and perhaps discount vouchers for EV charging ( like the petrol coupons you sometimes get). I can see a price war where the supermarket is a short distance from a motorway service station, perhaps 2024 will see the start of some price competition in rapid charging.
I've just moved, but my old house was a Victorian Terrace with on street parking. There was however an Asda half a mile away, with charging points, so that will be where the new owners charge their EV eventually. Now I have a drive, I'm starting to think about getting an EV.
The price of rapid charging is going to have to come down if they want to tempt people who can't charge at home to buy an EV. I can't see many people combining their weekly shop with a rapid charge that costs as much as petrol - but it would be nice to have all the facilities of a supermarket at a rapid charging hub.
Our local supermarket is just off the A3(M). So lots of people travelling north toward London will find it a good place to stop. Most people in the actual villages (more of a conurbation all the way from Portsmouth to here) do have driveways and garages although there are a few small blocks of flats with less parking. So both would make a tonne of sense at this particular Morrisons. It's going to be highly variable for the time being but ultimately I expect every space to end up with a charger at some point.
@@robinbennett5994 they could probably treat it like validating parking - if you go in and buy your travel snacks, you get some free or discounted charging. Wouldn't be hard to treat it as a loss leader to get people to buy food - that IS how petrol stations currently work. Only it's much cheaper for them to install solar and they don't have to be refuelled so long term it's pure profit.
This is a perfect microcosm of the challenge of a complete switch to electric cars: instead of 6 at each supermarket, we would need 600. And maybe their own mini nuclear power station on site as well.
Please explain how you have worked out that each store will need 600 chargers. I’ll be interested to see how you have calculated this.
Not true. Most/very many people charge at home. And, just like your fossil car, you don’t constantly need to charge. Once or twice a month for most people.
V12 Sports also have a 21 reg Smart ForTwo for sale with 66k on the clock. I have a 70 reg ForTwo myself with only 7k so I was impressed that someone could do that amount of miles in a small car like mine. It proved to me how good the batteries are.
Although I wish they'd done a proper ForTwo, stripped out the legacy chassis stuff and put in a proper battery, a second hand one is still top of my list of wants since I can't get a Chinese equivalent. The next closest I've seen is the Fiat 500e with a lot of unnecessary length and two pointless seats weighing it down. I wouldn't mind if you just had more boot space but seats for people who don't exist is a silly thing to drive around with.
@@jonevansauthor Yes it is a shame that the battery wasnt upgraded for a slightly longer range. The upside is its quick to charge. If you do buy a Fortwo my tip is to get one with heated seats.
Yes Toyota will be giving away the BZ4x soon to meet the 20% EV mandate. They have stopped selling the GR products to help sales.
It’ll be bye bye Toyota
Rapid/Ultra Rapid at supermarkets is the way forward, surely? It takes 30 to 45 mins to do a ‘big shop’, so it makes sense to charge whilst shopping. Destination chargers at supermarkets is ridiculously; what do you get 2/3% in half an hour on a 7kW charger? 🤔
Public charging is still way too expensive, i had to put some juice into my Leaf the other day at a Gridserve motorway station, 79p per Kwh!, it cost me £8.40 to put my estimated range from 12 miles up to 50. So for 38 miles that's about twice as expensive as if I had a diesel car. I would have hoped Sainsbury would have undercut their competitors but obviously not.
I have been a happy ICE and HYBRID Toyota driver for decades. When wanting to go full BEV, went to my local dealer just at the launch of the bz4d. They wouldn’t even let me in the car, let alone test drive it! Bunch of fools. The Japanese seem to be so slow to get on board with this BEV revolution. Odd, when you think about how took over the motorcycle industry and dragged an out model British car industry into to 20th century….reliable cars and coming with radios pre-fitted? Goodness me!
So I just don’t get their strategy.
Have walked away from Toyota and now own a KIA Niro EV, and absolutely loving it.
Will they put covered charging points? Pull through charging points for larger / Towing vehicles?
Why a £20k Cupra ? When you can get a £13,000 Vauxhall Mokka E.... compared to its £35k list price.
Too expensive again. Try slow AC chargers at 20/30p.
I managed to source a 64kwh Kona 21 plate with 21k miles last October for 19995. Premium spec, our 4th electric Kona, the wife loves them and I made decent profit on the first two when I moved them on.
Great to see Ev used prices falling and getting more people into EV’s.
Chargers in supermarkets makes total sense. An hour to do your shop and come out to a charged car, perfect.
It would if it was cheap, but not if it costs as much as petrol.
very well done on the 10k - Just to let you know come April 2023 Portsmouth replaces 96 ICE busses with EV buses
Thought I recognised that Sainsbury's carpark, it's in Kings Lynn, and recently upgraded from pod point charging. I bet that's upset the people at the Ford garage across the road as they used to park a Ford mustang Mach E at the pod point charging every evening when they close. I have used this charger a couple of times while I'm shopping, but I think my car limits the charge to 35 kW on my Citroen EC-4 I have came cross one issue It was very cold ice everywhere so that car park is very slippery as it's recently relayed also the water and ice builds up right on the connector housing on the charger so I had to whack it a couple of times to get the collector out of the charger.
I'd snap up one of these cheap EVs if I could. They were so expensive when they 1st came out. Unfortunately my own EV (MG5) has suffered the same depriciation so I'm stuck with it at the moment. I think that the when the EV mandate starts to bite, the prices will go up agan.
Hope us Renault Zoe AC charged owners don't miss out!
No AC news yet sadly, I do hope they consider adding.
In Japan EVs aren't popular yet. Im sure they will get it right in time.
Toyotas hubris will bite them hard, along with the rest of the Japanese auto industry. They would do well to look at what happened to the UK car industry as the Japanese industry flexed its ambition.
I can't see many people charging at Sainsbury (.75p kwh) when the Tesla superchargers are open to non Tesla (.51kwh)
Plenty of Sainsburys in locations where you won’t find a SuC (let alone an open one!)
I thought Sainsburys might try and use their might to reduce the price of public chargers akin to them with their fuel prices and introduce a bit of competition, although I do appreciate the investment in the infrastructure. Maybe (hopefully) it will come. Having just ordered an Enyaq 60, I'm hoping that prices start to come down rather than go up, although the need to charge publicly will only be now and then.
I wounder if they will extend the time before overstay charges apply as you could still be shopping after 40mins of plugging in.
Morrisons GeniPoint have overstay charges. If these are 150kW or even 50kW on my i3 I will be full most of the time after 30 mins :-) But great to see them helping out.
PLEASE PLEASE SUBSCRIBE. Help the chap out.
I guess Toyota are planning to sell a load of ICE vehicles in the US and South America etc way into the 2030's - but I don't get their strategy for Europe.
Toyota needs to look into the crystal ball to see the future, as for news, I agree that more competition means better prices so anything that comes can’t be bad. China’s growth still amaze so much that there dominance loooks like never slowing down. How’s the cat?
On a positive, anyone interested in a Cheap Toyota EV can simply leave the models for 6 months and then pick upna mega deal on a leased Toyota...!! The BZ4X lease package is nearly 50% of its starting lease price (as no-one is actually paying the showroom price of the BZ4X).
Heh, yeah, I saw the cheap BZ4X leases. They're not good though are they? Not just the wheels falling off thing I mean.
The ID3 and Born have a recall on them, and no thermal paste to reseal the batteries with, check it out.
@ModernHeroes I didn't lease one myself as the range is pretty bad and to be honest, they could still come down a bit more to be truly affordable. However, noone will be able to beat your £99/mth pickup!! Wish I had caught that deal...👍
I disagree, a couple of rapids or 50 AC chargers that everyone can use. Get it out of your heads you don't need to fully charge at every stop! I use an AC at a Sainsbury's and it puts in enough to get me to the next place I'm going, sometimes more if there are queues at the tills! No. I'm for AC everywhere you stop then we have no problems.
Ubiquitous AC would be great, no doubt about that. I’m a massive destination charger proponent. Sadly a lot of people can’t see past rapids as the solution to all problems.
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One sainsbury smart charge in Wales in Newport rest is desert. Worse in N Ireland & Scotland -none! N East 1 or 2.where are they? Midland & pampered South& sW!
They’ve only just started the rollout though, it won’t happen overnight.
@@ModernHeroes But why always isit the same areas favoured 1st?
I have a Toyota aygo, sounds like the last Toyota.
As I get my electric Mokka today that is great news! I’ve noticed on the apps differences in prices for the same chargers by as much as 10p per kWh. Is this correct or am I totally stupid? Thanks for the great videos and you gave me the push to go fully electric over the last q8 months videos!
Couple of things at play here. ZapMap first and foremost can get out of date with pricing if it’s not a charger they support payment at - it’s user-led information
Secondly, the various roaming providers (Octopus Electroverse, Bonnet, Shell Recharge etc) set their own pricing for each network. Sometimes this means a discount, sometimes it doesn’t.
@@ModernHeroes yes it was bonnet compared to shell recharge so I’ll use bonnet to pay in that case. Thanks for all your help
Im not sure these going to be a price war with the supermarkets ev charging sainsbury's go straight in at 75p not much off a price war bit like petrol prices now about the same price as the big boy's (bp,shell.etc)
Great video
They don't need to compete on price yet - there's nowhere near enough actual competition right now. It'll come, though.
Someone has to start it why not them
We're not in a position yet where there's enough chargers people can realistically use one over another based on price though.
Seems superstores have the best future outcome, massive solar arrays on there roofs and a big battery install should make the charge rate drop especially if they top up from the grid at cheap rate this could really bring the cost of charging away from home down to a reasonable level instead of frightening off would be new EV purchasers.
The thing comes is that until there is a price war with all supermarkets. like they do with petrol prices. Then the EV charging will not be equal to petrol station..
sainsburys only has around 600 supermarkets. its a start but supermarkets can do far better.
put solar on the roof of every supermarket and cut costs.
the best thing for supermarkets is that they are easier to find. they when open have toilets. and food. and not hard for a full 45 minutes charge meaning you have some thing to do shop...
its a win win for the supermarket.
Toyota just do not care, it is an excuses that they are dumb. so its easy bye bye toyota. who needs them.
Sainsbury's are clearly taking it pretty seriously - they changed a planning application for a new site in Southport to replace the planned petrol station with a charging hub!
Total nonsense….who will use these rapid chargers? Most shoppers will charge at home for pennies prior to hitting the supermarket. Why would they arrive needing a very expensive rapid charge? Sainsbury’s will regret this folly and they should have done their own research on the real charging needs of EV owners. Don’t think long distance road trip EV owners will go off piste to use a Sainsbury’s. We need manned supercharging forecourts on our main arterial routes. Another cluster fail by people who don’t have a clue.
Those who don't have driveways or dedicated parking at home, will probably be those who use supermarket charging...
Used to have a car with a pretty small fuel tank, drove it from my home in Gloucester to near Stirling many a time which required a fuel stop. Always stopped at Tesco in Carlisle just off junction 43 of the M6 rather than use a service station.
Why wouldn’t people do this with EVs?
@@ModernHeroes Funnily enough I stopped off at Asda Carlisle on the way to the Cairngorms for the New Year. Much cheaper than Motorway fuel.
There's a lot of weird thoughts out there about Tesla and BYD as if they're competing with each other. Tesla fanboys seem to think that BYD were once laughed at by Elon so they're terrible - and yet Elon is using their batteries. I'm pretty sure he was laughing at the car they had at that point, he wasn't predicting in detail that they would never have good enough cars to sell them. They sell a lot, and there's nothing wrong with their cars. Which is good for Tesla fans because if there was, you'd be stuffed if you had their battery too.
BYD fans point to the number of cars they've made but conveniently ignore that they use smaller batteries in many of them, which is smart, and something Tesla should have done already but are lagging behind on because Elon had his Delorean moment with the Cybertruck. Sure, if Model 2 is 48V it will have been worth it. Also if the steel is ultimately cheaper than painted, and Model 2 also uses it. But ultimately BYD are more likely to ship me an affordable car at this rate and that will only have a chance of changing when we actually see the Model 2 in production at scale - and we don't even know what it will look like yet or even if it's a sensible 2 seater or an insane 4 seater.
Realistically, BYD aren't competing with Tesla and don't need to, they'll simply crush the Japanese and European legacy ICE companies who will be lucky to survive at all, and not just become like MG or Delorean. And good riddance to bad rubbish, except for Aston Martin and Caterham and a handful of niche ones (not Ferrari and other nonsense).
We had electric buses many years ago (trolley buses) so nothing new there. At least they didn't go on fire like the two in London.
By the way I am an EV owner but I'm not sure it is the way forward. Looking at all the downsides as is happening Chicago and Alberta where the whole charging system failed in extreme low temperatures. You might say we don't get these conditions here but EV's are a world wide event. As regards Toyota I don't blame them for being cautious, If you look at Ford in the US they are losing $34000 on each ev they produce and can't sell the ones that they have made. This is probably the reason why EV depreciation is higher than on ICE cars.
Battery powered cars are rubbish 😂😂😂
There is is also a massive, unavoidable downside to ICE too. One day oil will run dry, and ICE will be useless.
They have extreme cold weather in Norway and EVs appear to cope just fine. You also appear to be assuming that ICE cars don’t have problems in extreme cold.
Finally, you also appear to have fallen for the pro oil propaganda that EVs catch fire all the time. The facts are that EVs catch fire much less frequently that EVs. You can verify what I say on the AA and Autocar web sites.
its another rip off ..60 quid upfront and 75p p/kw....its garbage just like EVS. worth sod all when you come to sell.
Tesla has little time left to come up with a genuinely fresh lineup and have a chance of survival. Culture wars don’t pay a dividend either.
6 year old looks won’t cut it in the China era, particularly in the pacific rim markets.
Wait till it’s 15p kWh at Aldi & Lidl 😊😊😊
I like the electric buses 🚎 , keeps the stink and the smog down a lot.
Can you get nectar points from the Sainsbury’s. chargers