To summarize for folks who don’t want to watch the 30 minute video - the problems are compounding: 1- Colder temperatures elongate EV charging time when they are not preconditioned to pre-warm the battery 2- There’s a huge amount of rideshare drivers that don’t understand the operation of EVs and likely didn’t plan for higher consumption and slower charging 3- Chargers were (and are!) still broken. Tesla had technicians at one of the sites I visited checking stalls, and superchargers are pretty much back running smoothly, but the other public chargers still are majorly lacking working units 4- Chicago already has a strained EV charging network. Add in longer charging durations with less working chargers and cars using more energy due to the cold and, well, shit hits the fan
It would be interesting to know how many EV owners in Chicago live in apartments where they exclusively use superchargers to charge. CHARGING AT HOME is one of the main reasons to get an EV and one of the biggest conveniences.
@@MurseTech64 Exactly. If you can't charge at home, you really should not be driving an electric car, especially in the winter. Big cities need community charging co-ops of some sort.
Chicago area EV owner, +1 on the army of Bolts. I see at least 2 of them every time I hit or drive by a station. They're a swarm, if they're charging to 100%, you will easily have a jam at stalls with 4 or less.
i literally lived down the street from the tesla charger you visited like 3 months ago and used to charge there all the time. The reason they weren't working is because people leave the charger handle on the floor so water gets in to the port and freezes. this stops the charger from being inserted. The reason they were left on the floor is because the clips on the stalls are worn out so a lot of times the handle doesnt even stay in the holster
For want of a nail the shoe was lost,For want of a shoe the horse was lost, For want of a horse the rider was lost, For want of a rider the battle was lost, For want of a battle the kingdom was lost, And all for the want of horseshoe nail.
This is a great observation, and I have seen it at a few superchargers that I have used. Hey Tesla, fix the design of the retention clip for the cord handles. Also, make sure there is drainage around the charger base. No one wants to stand in water while holding a 500V power cord, even if it has ground fault protection.
I live in Edmonton, Canada, and I have a 2023 Tesla Model 3 Performance. Recently we had a few days of -38C (-36.4F) in a row, and it was certainly interesting. The big thing I noticed is beyond -30C (-22F), there was not enough heat output in my tesla to heat both the cabin and the battery. At these temps, the car's heat pump and both motors were working overtime to simply heat the cabin, so much so that I literally could not fast charge. The battery was too cold. I sat at a supercharger for 2h and I was only getting 15kw by the end of the session. I really wish there was a backup resistive heater to help heat the cabin/battery. (This also means I doubt it could keep the cabin warm beyond -40C (-40F) since it was always on max heating when at -38C (-36.4F) ) So frankly if I had one fewer motors, that would NOT be good. The rwd only model 3 would definitely not be viable for our winters. The dual motor is, but only really if you have a good charger at home and a heated garage. Also here's some nerdy numbers for yall interested. The tesla PTC heaters in older model 3's outputs ~5kw. The heat pumps in modern model 3's are ~7kw (meaning at -40, they provide 7kw since the COP is 1.0). And each motor is capable of providing ~3.5kw of heat. So a modern model 3 with dual motors and heat pump will have ~14kw at -40, whereas an older rwd PTC heater model 3 is only gonna have ~8.5kw of heating capaicity. I really wish they had larger heaters! Edit: It's also really worth mentioning that I've never seen a tesla supercharger go down. Even in -40, they've been solid up here.
Besides the -30 weather, do you have any regrets? Im lookin at the same car rn. I would be charging in garage and I drive my truck usually when its that cold anyway.
One of my thoughts is that this being Chicago, there may be a number of Tesler / EV owners that live in apartments and do not have the opportunity to charge at home and have to rely on public charging stations.
It common knowledge that EVs are great if you charge at home and will be inconvenient for renters because you will be charging for 30 min instead of 5 min filling the gas. Add to that the reduced range in cold weather, and that inconvenience will be compounded. This is also common knowledge. EVs work in cold weather but you have to know the drawbacks. Using an EV for Uber in the winter is less than ideal because you will need to charge several times in a day. It gets worse when these people who don't do any research also don't realize you really shouldn't be trying to charge to 100% in an EV. It takes 20-30 min to get to 80%. It takes an hour to get to 100%. There is no reason to wait 30 min longer to get an extra 20%. So, these people will hold up other drivers from charging because they are clueless.
I can't be sure but this looks like it was filmed at the only Tesla dealership I am aware of in the Chicago area which means it is out in Hoffman Estates (actually right across the street from my primary care doctor's office). Most of the people in this area live in single family homes with attached garages. Even I now have a level 2 charger in my garage and I don't own an EV (yet).
@@ymcpa73 And if you do all your charging at DC fast chargers, you probably aren't saving much on "fueling" your car even in Chicago where gas is expensive compared to much of the midwest while electricity rates are relatively low.
Kyle: awesome effort! As soon as I heard about the charging fiasco in Chicago, I wanted to see your assessment of the situation. The fact that you flew there to actually see the charging issues first hand and then post this in-depth video is outstanding. Thank you for your efforts.
Yes good effort and a great business decision as a tax write-off for him along with making money on this video so he comes out way ahead. Good info nevertheless.
EVs are a small percentage still of all cars on the road and even a smaller percentage are used for rideshare, so if those cars in combination with a few broken chargers can cause trouble when it gets freezing cold then the infrastructure is nowhere near ready for mass adoption of EVs.
This recent problem illustrates the fault with only adding charging stations using a model that permits point to point distance charging. There has to be a user density factor added to the calculation. I’ve looked at the super charging network map for Chicago and I can’t believe it’s anywhere near adequate. I live in Milwaukee and we have a grand total of about 4 charging stations.
@@georgeidarraga4006 A large part of why the Tesla superchargers work better in comparison is because there's usually at least 8 of them. Someone's always leaving so queues are less likely and it gives a buffer if one or two of them are down. Also, there's no such thing as a Tesla Bolt lol. It's still at the highish price point too so Tesla drivers are less likely to need public charging except on rare road trips.
Good morning! I recently had a conversation with a group of manufacturers, various products & equipment. How the F150 Lightning came to market, was released to the public, is beyond comprehension. It’s my view Ford owes you and other owners, 100% refunds if you wish. Ford either did little to no trials with the truck or they lied; I’m guessing the latter. I do hope Ford makes it right for you & others
Chicago needs more attention in regards to charging and not just in winter. It's one of the worst places i've had to deal with charging. I lived there for 10 years and i'm glad I didn't own an EV until I moved away because coming back to visit, it's pretty intolerable no matter what time of year it is. Every station on any network is either de-rated or broken or full with a line of people waiting or a combination of all of those things. It's hard to even find adequate level 2 availability. For being as big a market as it is, it's pretty pathetic that there is such a lack of charging infrastructure there.
I picture Kyle driving down the road in some new cool car thinking, what the hell is going on in Chicago? I got to get out there and figure this shit out. You are the man brother we appreciate you.
How is he “the man”? Because he drove there and made a whole video blaming “uneducated drivers” for problems they have ZERO ability to solve? This isn’t an education problem, it’s an infrastructure problem - period. What a stupid video.
FYI: Tesla has already permitted at new 52 stall Supercharger for Des Plaines, IL 3025 Mannheim Rd. This is near the current Chicago O'Hare Airport location. Permit was issued 28 days ago.
I was in Chicago this past weekend and experienced this first hand. There were swarms of ride share worker that were dominating the DC Fast chargers (non-tesla) preventing anyone on a road trip or needing to get to the next charger in their trip. Literally had 6+ tiny EVs with Airport stickers on the back and a few people rotating them in and out of the charging spots. We went to 5 different locations, one broken charger at a 7-11, finally ended up waiting at an EV GO charger location where it got quite contentious on the order of who went next based on length of time waiting. Took an hour of waiting to finally get hooked up, then the charger wouldn't go above 31kW. Unplugged/replugged/restarted the charging session, finally sped up to 180kW. Once we got out of the city, we had no problems with DC Fast Chargers on the road using Electrify America.
Gee, an ICE driving ride share driver can fill up in just a few minutes, anywhere anytime in -35F or +125F temps. Good thing to know if you make money with your car.
@@jimjones-pz1tt At the cost of turning profit. Its ok Jim, you can hate EV’s all you want but painting them as something that don’t work is just intellectually dishonest. This is a lack of education, not that EV’s aren’t a replacement for ICE for some folks
Exactly - heated seats and steering wheels and defrosters can add a modest load via the alternator and A/C if it needs to dehumidify, but the engine, if naturally aspirated, is running more efficiently and developing significantly more power. My old EJ25 Subaru would get 1-2 MPG better in very cold weather than modestly cold weather. Having moved to a turbocharged vehicle, that's no longer the case, but the better half's PHEV shows no drop in commuting fuel efficiency - less battery time, but the ICE is doing much better. EVs are good in cold weather for entirely different reasons, like they're more pleasant to drive and don't have issues with transmission and differential fluid causing hard shifts, plus the heat comes on immediately. You take the range hit, but for a not insignificant portion of the population, they're the better choice in the cold.
I wouldn't call the wasted heat of an ICE vehicle a benefit. Yes, in the cold it does not need any extra gas for heating because it produces excess heat anyway. However, in the summer it does the same thing. An EV uses extra power only when heat is actually needed, instead of all the time. THAT I would call a benefit.
Two things impacted Chicago this weekend in regards to ev charging ...First and most obvious, a large number of Tesla supercharger stations were either only partially running or out completely, which is unacceptable in cold weather. Second, Chicago has an extremely large number of apartment dwellings whise residents do not have rhe convenience of charging at home, making charging at public locations their only choice, and if they aren't working...thise people are screwed
That's y I always make the point that the USA and the world on a whole does not have the infrastructure to facilitate the elimination of combustion engines by the year 2030, its jus not possible .
@@Autotech473The deadline will definitely be pushed back but the problem is, if the deadline was set to 2050 from the beginning, we'd still be at 5% EV adoption by the year 2045.
Kyle, HUGE props to you for going to these lengths to research and report on these issues. This is so far beyond what anyone would expect from a UA-camr (or any reporter for that matter). I am truly impressed by your dedication and passion for the EV cause!
I agree. Although I’m across the pond we experience similar issues with charging infrastructure, reliability of chargers, commercial drivers hogging chargers, cold weather performance and newbies thinking they have to charge to 100%🤦♂️
I live in Michigan. I'de never buy one of these unless I lived in a warm climate. I don't have time in my life to have to micromanage my car. I could not even imagine sitting around waiting to even start using a charger. I'll stick with my hybrid.
Thank you! When I heard of this problem yesterday in Chicago I was hoping that you'd talk to someone familiar with the problem in a video, but you did even better and actually flew yourself there! This is awesome as I was quite curious about what was happening; I already understand the issues with EVs in cold weather and knew that the media was not covering the issue effectively. I wanted someone like you to give us an accurate view of what was happening and here you are! Thank you so much and it would be *great* if one of the major news outlets would make you a consulting contributor ;).
I do agree with you on this subject. The infrastructure is not keeping up with the car sales and for me the big one is charger reliability that needs to be key. And finally your friends advice at the end of the video if you can get a home charger fitted. I’m an Ev driver having had two Ev’s and I would not have one if I had to rely solely on public chargers.
And this is why I believe EV are not ready for mass adoption. How are people that don’t live in a home supposed to charge their car.? Can our electrical grid support everyone charging their cars at home? Can our roads handle heavier cars? I see these issues and see no action from our government to address them before we are forced to buy only EV’s
@@ederlikessoccer you make one good point. Mass adoption but it wouldn’t happen overnight anyway. The big problem is home charging but they are looking at ways to address this. The other points you mention the grid and can it cope the answer is yes because everyone doesn’t charge at the same time I charge about every 10 days. Finally the silly point you made can our roads handle heavier cars. Well no ev weighs more than a lorry a Tesla for example is 1800 kilograms my car weighs 2100 kilograms a big SUV like a Range Rover is about 2700 kilograms so to answer your point the roads would be fine. There are many chargers being installed at a growing pace Sainsburys are installing 1600 charge points at there stores over the next year. Take a look at plug share it shows all the chargers and some that are due to be installed. But I do agree if you have a way of charging at home or work then it is so much more easy than filling up with petrol.
EVs have not turned out to be actual cars for normal people to use. It's a luxury toy for people who have their own garage and money for two or more vehicles. Just think how ridiculous being in a cold climate living in an apartment with no charging is. We were so eager to build EVs, we never thought about how to make them useful.
You nailed it about Uber drivers. In Atlanta every single DC fast charger in the city is filled with a Bolt with a Hertz sticker on it and someone sleeping in it. Im sure they all hate electric cars because they don't know there are better options
You, sir, are amazing! You have the ability to touch on everything and are an ambassador for the industry by being honest and fair. We have much to learn, but it is so much fun to learn again! Keep up your amazing work
Thanks for doing this for the EV community Kyle! It is great to have a knowledgeable person on site to provide the real facts of the issue. I agree as well that Lyft/Uber should invest in their own network of charging hubs if they really want to provide EV's to their drivers in urban areas.
This was a big issue in the bronx in ny the other day. We only have one super charger in the boro. One of the 72kw urban superchargers. They were clogged with cabs who were charging for the day. I had to wait 30 mins for a stall to open. Then when I left there were 17 cars waiting to charge. Again all cabs. None of these guys have home chargers. It’s ridiculous, they make this only charger in our area unusable. So a combination of only having one 72kw super charger in the area and ride share drivers taking up all the stalls. It sucks
Is it the one in the mall parking lot? I wondered why there were so few Tesla chargers around Manhattan. Is there an issue getting high power connections?
There is no way a cab company can install enough chargers to satisfy not even a quarter of there fleet so even a city full charging capacity would be insufficient
@@SraMYM yes, it’s a smaller superchargers that are usually located in malls. Manhattan has a few that are in pay parking garages but they are a rip off. I’ve heard they charge you extra to charge besides the supercharging fees. Ridiculous.
@@ricmiller9624 it would help greatly to have more superchargers in the borough as more and more people are buying Teslas. But these cabbies are not helping owning these cars and not having a place at home to charge it. I don’t see how you can own an EV without having a home to charge.
I just made a 90 mile round trip to work and back home immediately because the job site was closed in my ‘23 Bolt EUV. My efficiency was 2.8 mi/kWh, or 357 wh/mi. I used heated seats, steering, and cabin temp set to 61F because I was in heavy clothes for working outside in this weather. I have a few points that I think all EV manufacturers and drivers should take note of. 1) Always use -20F washer fluid. It works well enough in the summer, but it’s harder to buy. 2) Manufacturers need to add a heating strip to the lower portion of the windshield for the wipers. EVs do not have wasted under hood heat like ICE vehicles to keep wipers warmed in extreme cold. Yes, defrost works, but that’s wasting a lot more heat energy that could be used elsewhere. It will increase the cost of windshields, but it’s worth it for safety in the winter- maybe even a heat strip that runs around the outside 2” of windshield to prevent fogging on the outer edges. That’s about it. Happy motoring to everyone!
Our Tesla has heated wipers that solve your second concern. I also only use low temp washer fluid because I've learned from experience that having washer fluid freeze to your windshield is terrifying.
@@superman60201 - I learned this from my northern friends, the night before winter precipitation, flip your wipers up. If you have access to heavy plastic, like the black yard bags, use an old paper towel tube to roll the plastic into an oversized sock that can cover your wipers. I used duct tape, folded the top end over, and didn’t tape the edge all the way down so that there would be some plastic covering the base of the wiper. On door handles that extend off the car, like our Bolts, take an old T-shirt, stick the trunk between the handle and door, and allow the arms to cover the handle. This works great in ice because it’s much easier to get the ice off the fabric without damaging the paint. A good coat of Rain-X, when it’s warm enough, will help ice/snow removal all winter long. I find that easier than throwing an old towel, cardboard, or blanket over the windshield. We have remote start, and that helps prep the car if you set the temp high, and climate on auto prior to the storm. We can plug-in, but honestly it only takes 2-3 kWh to warm a car in 1F to 85F inside over the 19 min remote start run time GM allows. I don’t leave it plugged in during extreme winter weather because I don’t want to deal with ice/snow removal from the charge port. The connection is waterproof- I’ve been plugged in during spring storms so heavy I couldn’t even see the car 10’ from the door. I also cover my weatherproof outlet box with a black plastic trash bag to aid in winter weather plug access. I hope that helps. I’m an electrician with 30 years experience. If you want outlet advice, ask. You seem to be in the same situation I am- no garage or car port.
2.8 mi/kWh is about what I was getting last week in 20 degree temperatures. That was with heat blasting and thermostat set to 72 degrees. Interestingly enough, both city and highway driving were getting the same 2.8 mi/kWh, so in cold weather, the efficiency advantage of city driving over highway driving is gone. Of course, if I needed to, I could have easily stretched the range further by piling on gloves jackets and driving with no heat. But, with easy access to home charging, I would much rather pay the extra energy and be comfortable. For just driving around town, even 2.8 mi/kWh still translates to far more range than you could ever need.
I was here in Chicago with my RWD Tesla in the cold. I have only a 120V charger all weekend and my car could barely charge because it needed to warm the battery to charge. So in the morning when I left for work Monday it was -10F and I was running at 454 Wh/mi. I knew I had to charge. When I left work it was -7F I preconditioned on the way but EVERY charger within 30 sq. miles was full. I got in a line which took over 50minutes to get to a charger. So there are not enough chargers and they take so long to charge.
Your pain is understandable, and realistically, no one in the cold states should own an EV at this point in time without access to Level 2 charging at home, it just doesn't work.
😮 I live in Alberta, Canada. When the temperature dropped to -34ºC a few days ago, superchargers worked fine. It took longer time to charge my car of course but no other issues at all.
SOOOOOO they say do not go lower than 30% ....a car with claimed 400 mile range is really 290 miles of driving and in the cold it goes to half...150 mile...now i get stuck on the expressway in a freezing storm the electric heater will kill the battery fast... I would bring a propane heater as a back up....of just drive ice
The problem is people are being sold a dream by social media and adverts claiming they are great when realistically they are not and is not worth owning 1 if you can't charge at home or need to drive longer distances.
Well half of people have no garage so can't charge at home, do we exempt from legal mandate half and let them keep buying gasoline cars. Us here in MN where range in Feb is 30% normal also deserve an opt out....
Biggest issue I’ve seen with charging in Chicago is the ride shares, but Kyle didn’t mention slowing speeds as you near 100%. Everytime I’m stuck at an EA station for hours, it’s behind bolts and niros who are always charging to 100% and it takes over an hour per car.
I guess your time is worthless. We're all on this planet for a limited time. How much of your time are you willing to give up so you can virtue signal?
Charging station providers need to start adding a time component to the charges. If people pay the same for 1kWh delivered in 10 seconds as they do for 1kWh delivered in 10 minutes, they have little incentive to care how slow they're charging. This is also a problem with people who show up with cold batteries.
@@davidmenasco5743 Reality isn't malignant. Refusing to accept reality points to your hubris. Dopes like you think you're saving the planet when the facts clearly show EVs do not pollute less than ICE vehicles, and in fact, harm the planet more when you take raw materials, production, life time operating and disposal factors into account. But, guys like you don't give a shit about rare earth metals production because it happens in China, and what do you care if Chinese kids are born with birth defects and the places where rare earth ores are mined are the most polluted places on the globe as long as you get to drive a CLEAN EV? But don't take my word for it, read what the Harvard International review has to say. Yes, that liberal Harvard University: " An electric car requires six times the mineral inputs of a conventional car, and a wind plant requires nine times more minerals than a gas-fired plant. With current estimates, demand for REEs (Rare Earth Elements) could increase six-fold by 2040. Lithium and cobalt demand could increase ten to twenty times by 2050 because of electric cars. Demand for dysprosium and neodymium is estimated to increase seven to twenty-six times over the next 25 years as a result of electric vehicles and wind turbines. But REEs also have grim prospects: the way companies extract REEs largely damages communities and contaminates surrounding areas. "For every ton of rare earth produced, the mining process yields 13kg of dust, 9,600-12,000 cubic meters of waste gas, 75 cubic meters of wastewater, and one ton of radioactive residue. This stems from the fact that rare earth element ores have metals that, when mixed with leaching pond chemicals, contaminate air, water, and soil. Most worrying is that rare earth ores are often laced with radioactive thorium and uranium, which result in especially detrimental health effects. Overall, for every ton of rare earth, 2,000 tons of toxic waste are produced." TWO THOUSAND TONS OF TOXIC WASTE ARE PRODUCED FOR EVERY TON OF RARE EARTH. Read the whole article here, Skippy. hir.harvard.edu/not-so-green-technology-the-complicated-legacy-of-rare-earth-mining/ You don't have the balls to read this one. The Worst Place on Earth www.bbc.com/future/article/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth If you Drive an EV, you don't give a shit about the environment despite your weak protestations to the contrary. I pray you educate yourself and change your ways before you kill your grandchildren and go to Hell.
What i don't understand... I live in Canada. I drive a 2018 Leaf without any active thermal management. I can charge my car without any problems at home. Yesterday, i charged at a DC charger after leaving the car in 15F (-10C) for three hours. It charged just fine. Maybe slightly slower than in the summer but not by much. Charged from 34% to 80% in 40 min. In the summer it would take maybe 30 min
What happened in Chicago is obviously a much more real world example of what to expect from driving an EV in the winter than is driving slowly around a neighborhood in the middle of the night.
Kyle is doing ALL of the work that journalists should be doing. This is a glaring example of the state of humanity in 2024. Kudos to Kyle, shame on the rest. Spread the word.
Lyft and Uber here. They are pushing driver to switch to EV but they don't care about charging, they also send drivers rides that exceed the ranges and blame drivers not accepting ride request. It's really a mass.
Agreed - Uber has this option to get the Uber Pro Debit card for being paid and gives you a discount on EVGocharges, but the Uber app seems to direct me to only defunct stations
Kyle - kudos to you for jumping on this and providing an informed perspective on this troubling reality at this moment in time. Agreed that it will improve over time but what a sh*tshow right now. I gotta say this adds fuel to my hesitation to switch out my main vehicle from ICE to EV. While I love this stuff, I think EV charging is too complicated for the average consumer - too much to know vs a quick visit to the gas pump. (pre-conditioning, not charging to 100%, route planning, cold weather strategy, learning multiple apps, charging etiquette etc...). The opening of the Tesla network will certainly help if they remain true to their word, but the reliability and quantity of DC fast chargers in the US is not good. My town, Westport CT, with many, many EV's has one 50kw DC fast charger.
Same thing happened in 1910’s. people weren’t willing to give up their horses yet until there was a gas station nearby. And gas stations weren’t being built until there was a market to put gas in cars. But ICE cars created real sh*t shows causing lots of deaths since there were no vehicle traffic or safety standards. It’ll work out.
Can't speak about other EVs but Tesla makes it pretty simple. However, you have to read the manual or at least watch a youtube video to learn how to use a new car you just bought. This should be done for ICE cars as well. I know many people who buy expensive cars with many features but they still drive the car like a 1990's Toyota Corolla. They just know the basics they learned from previous cars. With Telsa, just use the NAV for everything. It will guide you around traffic, tell you where to charge if it is needed, will pre-condition automatically, and tell you how long to charge. It also shows if the station is busy so you can choose another station. I don't use any other apps unless I want to find a level 2 charger or use a 3rd party charger. Not charging to 100% is in the manual and in the charging screen. It shows a notch for daily usage at 80% and road trips at 90%. If you go to 100% it warns you that the charging will take a lot longer. Etiquette is basic respect for others that your parents should have taught you. Don't cut in line and don't take up a space when others are waiting to use it. You don't leave your car parked at a pump in the gas station, don't do that at an EV station either. I'm willing to bet most people in Westport own a house and have a garage. So, there isn't a need for many chargers. If that station was always full, they would build more because they could make more money.
That's crazy our charging network is terrible it only takes me three minutes to fill up my 2023 f150 with a 36 gallon tank I get about 540 miles to a tank even in winter 😂
It’s not cost effective for rideshare drivers to use EV’s, electrify America averages .48 cents per KW or around 25 bucks per 200 miles. You can beat that with a hybrid and not take valuable work time charging
Thanks for the tips Kyle. I am still amazed at how many people have garages but don't put their vehicles in them. Instead, they store $500 worth of junk in cardboard boxes in the garage and leave $50K vehicles out in the elements and thieves.
@@rudydedogg6505Lol, ever heard of fuses and breakers? How many times out of the thousands of EVs are there house fires caused by the EV? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Interesting to hear about the Bolts there trying to fast charge. I imagine the slower Bolt charging times is a problem building up lines. Also Bolt in the cold must charge even slower then normal.
The Bolt's is not the problem. It's the non experienced driver's of them, they plug in with freezing batteriets and then try to charge to 100%. DC charge before you put the car away (warm battery) , not after you wake up(warm) and the car and battery is freezing cold.
Thanks for going out here Kyle! I was curious what really was the root cause of the problem here and it seems to be a combination of rideshare RWD LFPS and some chargers being down due to snow stuck in the handles. It would be great if you could test the theory (maybe with Ryan's car) that the LFP RWD heat pump isn't enough to heat the battery to accept a charge in extreme cold/wind as that's the model I have!
Coldest place on Earth last week my Bolt had a 190+ km range. It ran okay at -48C but it was too cold to go far so I bought food then went home. 7 ice cars were dead on the side of the road.
My Bolt did great in 12F weather where I am. Preheat melted all the ice and it drove without complaint. I noticed when plugged in it kept drawing a bit of power even after full and I’m thinking it keeps the battery above freezing when plugged in.
@@arenjay3278 sure again there are more options for ice, any mechanic you can tow and get help. The sheer amount of options available for ice vehicles just not available for ev
And the problem is also with all EVs right now, there isn't a button that turns on preconditioning, they all want to be 'smart' and skip that button. The car need to realize sometimes the human behind he wheel is much much smarter than it.
All of these EV charging problems, which seem to be getting worse instead of better, only reinforces in my mind the decision I made 18 months ago when shopping for a new vehicle. I liked the idea of having an EV, but since I live in Florida and have evacuated multiple times due to approaching hurricanes, the last thing I wanted to do was have a limited range EV while in stop and go traffic with thousands of other cars trying to get to a safer area, or waiting in a long line of EVs waiting for my turn to charge up my car when I'm desperately trying to get out of harm's way. After lots of research, I ended up purchasing a Lexus ES300h hybrid, and have not regretted it at all. I love the fact that the EV battery recharges itself as I drive, and I get between 44 and 48 mpg. Not least of all, this Lexus is the smoothest riding, quietest car I have ever owned. To me, it is a win-win!
When the time comes to replace your battery, be prepared to pony up a huge amount of money! Hopefully, you’ll still be under warranty. This happened with my 2007 Prius. Great car but when the battery died, it would’ve been $3,000 to replace. Fortunately, the car was still under warranty even though barely. That was the good news. The bad news is that once the warranty ran out, I would be on the hook the next time it failed!!! No warranty on the new battery!!!! I traded for a regular gas powered car. No more hybrids or EV for me!
Ha ha, I live in south Florida and during hurricane 🌀 threats the gas station's 1-3 hour wait times if they even have gas (most are empty) at least for now the ev charging stations aren't as bad during hurricane threats, and for a lot they are charging at home (no wait times) and most ev's have similar range to ice cars which would get you a good distance away from the hustle and bustle to wear gas or ev charging won't be as bad if your evacuating. This year was the first year I didn't have to sit in any gas lines I just charged at home. I just watched as I drove by all the people waiting at gas station lines ( which used to be me). A good tip if you do have to get gas during a hurricane threat. Go to the gas station in the middle of the night, less waiting
As I recall that in the big traffic pile-up last year the electric vehicles were still functional after 15 hours while the gasoline vehicles had all run out of fuel. And after the last hurricane in my town, we didn't have electricity for gas stations either for over a week. Everyone stayed at home since the closest working gas stations for 70 Mi outside of town.
Beyond Kyle's comments re home charging, Bjorn Nyland could weigh in on this issue with a wealth of practical experience. In Norway, not known for its warm climate, 25% of cars on the road are now EV's and somehow, they're making it work. I'm sure these type of headlines will provide grist for the EV nay-sayers.
People in Norway know what to do to make their EVs work in the winter. I think Tesla could put some info on the center console screen with tips on how to operate an EV during the winter.
Given your situation, that makes sense. Please consider a hybrid for increased fuel efficiency on your next purchase. We have one EV and one ICE. We are keeping the ICE for 12 hour multi state trips to visit family several times per year. We’d both love to be an EV-only household and I’d personally like to have a nice EV like my husband’s, but the infrastructure isn’t there yet.
I don't have that problem. My Tesla works like new in Chicago winter. Don't buy if you can't charge it at home. I always charge to 100% in winter and never lower than 30%
I remember a video a while ago that Kyle and Dave were in NYC talking about a ride share company that had 2 of their own DC charging facilities that were massive. They had staff to rotate their ride share EVs through - AND the facilities were open to the public as well. So, rideshare EVs can be done. And done well. Just like it is very doable to have an EV in cold weather locations.
The EV charging infrastructure in NYC is pretty bad and very slow on expansion. The demand for charging infrastructure exceeds what is available. There have not been any new charging facilities since that video, only smaller street pole charging stations that are usually taken up by any car looking for a parking spot.
Pam here…. This should be a learning event for EVERYONE, Tesla, all EV makers, EV Owners. Thanks Kyle for digging into this. Chicago and all urban areas with throughfares with interstates need to get MORE chargers. Tesla needs some Education programs, pre-emptive notices for extreme weather events with MESSAGING how to prepare! When we took delivery of our car a year ago this month in Chicago…I was SHOCKED how LITTLE they made sure we knew before letting us drive off. A NEW car tutorial as you take delivery and use for the first month should be on screen teaching you about your car.
We almost got into a wreck in Florida after renting a regular car at airport and they let us drive off not telling us anything….we could NOT find the headlights! With a Tesla at least we could use the voice command with the push scroll button on the wheel. All new cars ICE or EV are much more complex.
I live in Chicagoland and have a 2018 long range model 3 and yes, the cold weather is brutal on range. I had to drive to Milwaukee almost 100 miles on tollway one way going 80 MPH and outside temperature showed -10 Fahrenheit I was using a little over 650 KWH and yes Super Chargers were very busy. But I would not want to do it in any other car.
I have a few questions, if you don't mind. Does your car have heat pump and heated seats? On average how much percentage extra gets used in your car in near 0F temps? I'm an EV enthusiast and owned a 40kwh Leaf that was a base model so no heat pump, resistive only, no heated seats so around 0F and lower temps I had on two occasions experienced almost 40% range loss. Luckily the Leaf actually liked charging in cold temps better than hot summer weather due to the passive "cooled" pack so I was able to fast charge in a reasonable time and carry on.
I always navigate to a different charging station than the one I actually show up to. That way my preconditioning doesn't shut off until I actually plug in 🤣
My 2008 diesel can do 700 miles on a full tank and takes 4 minutes to refill. Ive never experienced range anxiety while using it and it’s smooth as silk to drive
@@devoe4096There is a Planned 56 stall Tesla Supercharger coming to O’hare area. So far the Largest outside of CA. If the Uber, Lyft drivers are renting the vehicles from the company they work for, the company should provide reasonable regional charging locations to service their fleet of vehicles, No different than a traditional CAB company would have it’s own refueling stations. It used to be Ride hailing companies expected the drivers to own their own vehicle rather than supply it to drivers.
There is a HUGE problem in Chicago of Bolt rideshare drivers completely clogging charging stations for 95+ mins each to 100% despite a line of 10 cars behind them. Charging stations are pretty much useless already without even factoring cold. In the city, people don’t have home chargers and didn’t understand how much of a problem this would be with slow charging cars.
Irregardless of who is using the charger, if they are paying to get their vehicle charged, even if it takes 3 hours, they are allowed to be there. Other drivers not accounting for the longer wait times and sitting in an EV til its dead, or "dropping it off" then coming back 8+ hours later after having gone home and got some nookie and a hot meal then come back to get their car are the problem. Imagine leaving cars in gas station pumps for 8+ hours just cause you want to act like some sort of self-entitled prick with a Porsche or Ferarri? Think of the shit you would be facing when you got back IF your car was even at the property cause the owner had it towed. I think property owners should have some form of monitoring for the chargers that lets them know when the vehicles are fully charged. That starts a timer that, after a certain time frame, then allows the property owner to either have the car moved on property to not block the charger anymore, or have it removed from the property completely. Which the monitoring service and the Tesla GPS information would be able to back up the claim of charger blocking and make the move or tow justifiable.
@@overyonderjustapiece I don’t think you understand how specific the rideshare issue is to a walkable city like Chicago where most people live in dense apartments with no place to charge at home. Uber and lift have been offering crazy cheap bolt promos to people who do not understand how these cars work and are ruining the charging infrastructure for everyone. I used to do Uber in a bolt, I never would charge past 60% because it didn’t make any sense to do so. You would literally waste time and lose money doing that. But these drivers don’t understand and will spend 15 mins charging the last 2%. My ioniq could get to 80% in that time. What would actually help is EA adding a slight increase in price after a certain amount of time. Charge premium for the last 20% during peak hours. It doesn’t make sense for them business wise to charge $20 for one 95 min charge when they could have gotten 7-8 faster cars charged in the same mount of time and made way more money. The cold just exacerbated the existing issues.
In NJ you drive to a gas station, they fill it up, you roll down your window and give them cash. In and out in 5min. and never leaving the warmth of your car. My wife does this once every 2 weeks and she’s happy. Who can please convince her to go to a charger twice a week and wait about 30min. each time so I can buy a Tesla? Help me out!
Excellent informative video, a lot of my family was asking if I could charge my car in the cold, and I just charge at home but this video was helpful and might even convince them EVs aren’t so scary as long as you’re educated, but there’s still wrinkles to iron out!
Kyle, get real and deal with the real problem. In cold weather people range drops significantly, they are preconditioning, and because of range anxiety they are charging to 100% because of the weather conditions reducing their range. Also because of the cold weather they are charging slower and it takes longer. In cold weather EV's have a smaller gas tank, they don't have the same range. So you are increasing the charge put into the vehicle, the charge rate is reduced, and there is a increased demand for charging because of the weather, and your spending more time at the chargers because they are less efficient. You need more chargers in the cold weather. This is technical failure by design of EV vehicles. Lets get real EV's have major technology limitations.
This is not really a problem when the charging infrastructure is more mature. I live in Norway, park my EV outside (no garage), and only have a slow 'emergency charger' at home. I use the home charger whenever I know my car will be parked for a long time, but mainly rely on public fast chargers. I top charge my battery when I'm parked outside a grocery , or at work etc. This way I'm very seldom under 40%.
It makes me wonder how many ev's had serious charging problems up here in Alberta, Canada, where I live. Last week all week the temperature was at −35. And even worse, the windchill brought it down to as much as −50 some nights.
I made a charging tip video where I told people if you get to a supercharger in your Tesla and have to wait to charge, just navigate to the next closest supercharger so that the car will keep your battery heated while you're waiting to charge.
@@teslasnek This has not been my experience when road tripping with my Tesla even on temperate days. The nav system will direct me to the calculated supercharger and start preconditioning about 20-30 minutes out. I noticed that the preconditioning consumes about 4% of the battery.
That is another thing if you’re going on a electric vehicle, you need to be able to charge at home I know that’s not possible for everybody just yet the infrastructures are not there but going to a supercharger every time to fill up. It’s just stupid. They are for road trips.
What a great content Kyle. You are at the forefront of EV education to the mass public. I have owned EVs for 3 years now and this video reminds me of my first time in an EV when I was an apartment dweller without any home charging option. Although I was educated with the batteries and chargers, I struggled a lot. The final say of Merchy is the way to go. Invest in a Level-2 charger and the EV experience is so great afterward. Thanks for the video.
As an EV owner w/out a garage, I agree on the infrastructure issue-lack of it, lack of maintenance and lack of access for credit card users. This video was interesting and somewhat helpful, but it would have been more helpful if you had talked about Bolts and preconditioning.
Ride share drivers are a huge issue in Toronto too. A year ago I could find a charger no problem. Now there is almost always a car share driver at non-Tesla stations.
Great video and thanks for the education! As an engineer, I fully understand issues with this technology. The learning curve for the engineering teams that develop this equipment will be a test. I am sure the improvement’s will come as the issues arise. I don’t see any obstacles. Thanks for your video’s.
Hi, I drive a 2010 Nissan Patrol, I have 185l of diesel fuel in 2 tanks, despite being a heavy 4x4 pickup/ute with full steel toolboxes, tray & bullbar (Probably 7,000-7,400lbs) this will last me 1,200-1,500km, less if I am towing. Range anxiety and re-fueling do not dominate my life. BEVs are only practical if you own a house with a garage and have a predictable, stable job. If you intend to do ANYTHING else with a lithium battery car you will find out how inflexible and impractical they can be. I'll use myself as an example: I have a rental property in the city, no garage - park on the street, work in road construction/earthmoving across 3 big projects primarily 2.5hr drive up the coast and I spend most weekends and free time with friends & family in a country town 4hr drive inland from there. During the week we book airbnbs for accommodation, you cannot make expectations for charging infrastructure when you don't know where you're sleeeping day to day, week to week, this is the inflexibility problem of BEVs. There is no BEV on the market anywhere that will suit my lifestyle, NONE. Certain things I could do differently but overall being forced to go with an electric ute/pickup would chain me down and offers little to no advantage. Unless batteries with at least 4x greater energy density can be invented and produced en masse for a decent price BEVs are NOT 'the way of the future', they are a dead end for all offroad equipment other than underground mining, useless for aerospace, maritime, buses, freight rail, trucks etc. People should consider EVs as a niche not as the future of everything, that is impossible with current Battery tech.
They have a large pool of drivers. If they run out, they just up the prices of the rides. What is their incentive to invest in charging? They get their money both way's.
@@benwoudaways is not possessive, plural, nor a contraction, so it doesn’t take an apostrophe. Thank you. Too many people do this. It’s embarrassing that our public schools have deteriorated to such a degree that second-grade writing skills have not been mastered. Our teachers would have shamed us with such embarrassment we would never make such a mistake.
@@huskypup3489 Europe has been experiencing an anomalous increase in temperatures due to global warming...(all the hot air pours there, the ocean currents have changed, bringing the cold air to the US coasts) this is why there are so many deniers of overheating in America (coincidence, but it won't last long) the rest of the world is overheating and ironically the cold air has gone crazy pouring onto the American coasts...(obviously it won't last long if we continue with this overheating) even Russia is becoming a meadow of flowers (Europe is the region where overheating is most felt, every year the situation becomes visibly worse) ironic that those responsible for all this overheating (United States and the export of unbridled capitalism) are cooling their own territory while overheating the rest of the world (it seems ridiculous, but it is scientifically proven that the change in ocean currents caused by global warming has removed all the European cold by diverting it to the United States) now African anticyclones hit Europe even in winter... (the climate is totally gone crazy in Europe, but because of the heat) You don't have to believe me, you just need to do some research to confirm it
In Chicago and much of the midwest, the Electrify America is really bad regardless of weather. There were some very butt-puckering experiences on our drive from Chicago to Hilton Head last spring in our new etron S Prestige; worst being the drive in Indiana torwards Lafeyette, IN (when we pulled in 6 chargers, only 1 working....intermittently). Only saving grace was a nearby hotel with a Tesla Level 2 charger and having packed an adapter to use Tesla charger to J-plug. 10+ years with a Tesla Model S before the Audis, the Tesla SC network was REALLY dependable on the MANY 1000+ mile roadtrips we took with it.
@ogzombieblunt4626 I'm a car guy...not an EV guy. Tesla makes a great EV appliance. Audi makes a much better car that happens to be an EV (and I say thar condifendently owning both an etron S Prestige and an RS etron GT.
I am an EV car owner on the North Coast of Ohio, it is 5° and my little Chevy bolt works perfectly fine. But I have a detached garage and at home charging. When I first looked at buying an EV I could not charge my EV at home, it made no sense so I passed up buying an EV at that time. When I developed the ability to charge it home, then I bought an EV. An EV makes absolutely no sense if you cannot charge at home overnight. I live in a rural county and there are still no DC fast chargers in the county. We are so backwards that you cannot even buy e85 here.
Aaaand this is why I went with a Diesel. Electric Vehicle just are not ready for prime time. 1- EVs have big problems in cold weather 2- On average it takes me 3-5 minutes to fully fill my diesel, not 45 minutes 3- And I don't have to wait hours in a parking lot waiting for my turn to fill up. 4- Gas stations take up waaay lot less space 5- I have never seen an idiot park a vehicle at the pump and then leave it there overnight.
"Just like an ice", umm an ICE is around 30-40% thermally efficient, the cab heater runs off the waste heat which is basically free also drivetrain all waste heat no problem, a EV must use battery power to heat the cab and battery and drivetrain, just not the same unless your just talking about the minor seat heaters and window defrosters that are electric even on an ICE. Hard to imagine how a fast charger has any issues with cold weather, just use a few kw to warm the charger with resistive heat reducing the efficiency slightly and increasing cost slightly in the winter, usually high power electrical likes the cold, no need to liquid cool the charging cables, get it cold enough and it becomes superconducting :)
Kyle Thank you for your passion when it comes to explaining everything electric cars and charging. And welcome to Chicago and Keep up the Great work 👍🏽
Dude you can’t precondition a battery if your car died while on line waiting any new idea please?!! Also if the charging station is not producing enough current on a dead battery how would kick start charging. Just wondering 💭
Is it? Do you understand the activist side of why EVs even exist and how that aligns with the idea of a combustion engine ban? These mf don't give a single f_ck about people's ability to charge at home or not. That's the reality, short sighted green on the outside rotten to the core socialist government controlled utopia. Choice is just an illusion, it's EV or nothing if they get their ugly ass way on this
I did it, and am really working hard to get home charging. My workspace has one charger, but scheduling is a hassle. I got the car before having a home charger because I didn’t want to miss out on tax credit! And I’m glad I did… M3 no longer has $7500 back!
It’s crazy here. Monday 3/5 chargers I went to were broken or full. Too many people don’t level two at their residence or work. I only need to get 20-30% to finish my trips in the winter. Today I found an ice car blocking a charger, almost deflated the tires. One of the problems is that Chicago has a ton of charging and in the summer you can get away with just fast dc charging. Go up to Wisconsin and there are about four dcfc between Madison and Milwaukee.
Dude gas cars don’t use more fuel in the cold to heat the cabin. A has engine produces WAY more heat than is needed to hear the cabin under any operating conditions. Even in the cold winter air, the cooling system is rejecting heat into the atmosphere!!
Curious to poll new EV drivers how many even know what Pre-Conditioning is. Or if they know temperature impacts driving range or charging capabilities.
I think a smart feature to the would for an app to say “hey it looks like cold temperatures are incoming please plug in the vehicle to keep the battery in good working condition.”
I think most of them can't. I bet you that the majority of the ones on the news complaining all live in apartments where charging at home isn't a possibility.
Apartment dwellers and other types of homes do not have charging stations, or in many cases the home electrical system is old and the cost of upgrading for a home charger is to great for many homeowners. For now, EVs are best suited for people wigh high disposable income. For the average middle American, EVs are not a good idea.
Preconditioning and climate control is a good way to keep your vehicle warm. If you plan to leave your Tesla in cold weather. Outside for long periods of time. You can use the Defrost car feature.
To get maxima charging speeds you really should have a Model 3 Performance battery pack above 110 degrees Fahrenheit. I have seen mine get all the way to 135 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal charging before.
Last I checked like 50-60% of the Swedish market is EVs, mostly LFP M3 and it's super cold there, yet we hear nothing about them having the issues we had in Chicago. I hate to say it but maybe it's us...
Not true. Just be aware of the problems you could face when others try to game the system. There are no laws currently so people will do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want.
@@davidbeppler3032 No, I'd say he's got it correct. If you value your time at all, don't allow others the opportunity to waste it. Buy a car that refuels quickly and only refuel when you need to. Gas pumps at the same speed no matter the temperature.
Ride share charging hubs where the drivers have their own payment card for them would be a great idea. BTW Kyle excellent work going to Chicago to try understanding the issues there. You the man! 👍👍
I never though I have to do so much work and planning, just to put fuel in my car, in this case charge. I still spend 5 minutes to top of my ICE car in ANY weather The heat that warms my engine or cabin doesn't use extra fuel the ENTIRE time I drive once the engine is in operational temperature after a few minutes. It comes from normal operations The fuel I put in my ICE car doesn't suddenly produce HALF the driving distance just because it gets very cold I can buy spare parts and reparations from many different business at reasonable prices and am not forced to go back to the manufacturer and pay crazy prices and .... Ya, no wonder people are waking up to the reality that EVs are not the savior they thought they would be.
Those three days were the coldest 3 days in Chicago in the last 27 years so it was very much of an anomaly. The longer the low temperatures lingered the worse things got. I have driven BEVs for the last 4 years. The was the first time that battery charging degraded to .5 kw.
From what I saw, people didn't prepare and charge up their car the night before. They also didn't prep the battery before charging. Yes some stall broke down but majority of the people don't charge until it falls under 30% and don't prep their battery for charging. I was on a rental, charged it to 95% the night before and still had 50% left before charging and returning it to the rental company before my flight. I parked outside at my hotel and yes I did see some lost but not enough to brick it like people and the media said. It was just a media hit towards Tesla, they did not mention anything about other EV manufactures.
Lol when I heard this story on the news why was that the first thing that came to mind 😂. Like no one thought the cold/snow was a real threat, then started panicking when shit went down😅 but of course no one mentions their lack of preparedness. They just say it’s all the cars fault
@@budapest1002 Because everyone has an ICE mindset where you go anywhere, anytime to a gas station and fill up. You have to be a little more mindful with EV's. Remember that ICE cars don't start in cold weather also...that's why they have block heaters in Minnesota, even so 12V batteries can die too.
Gee, ICE drivers don't have to study owners manuals and watch geek videos to operate their cars. They just keep gasoline in the tank and go 24/7/365/Death Valley or Fairbanks.
@@miketubbs1198 link me an article of entire lots of bricked ice vehicles because they would not start in the cold, and then we got a comparison. Gasolines freezing point is -100°f. You can also bring your 12v battery inside any apartment and hook it to a trickle charge
This video completely validates that EV is not ready for prime time, at least in cold weather regions. You can blame the EV drivers for not knowing how to ‘use’ an EV in cold weather, but 95% people just want to drive a car, they don’t want to know how to change their oil, they certainly don’t want to precondition their battery before charging it every time. And the real issue, which you didn’t see because you didn’t arrive when it was actually cold, was the Superchargers weren’t working when it was cold. So the solution to that is to have your own charger at home? LOL I’ll keep my hybrid. My actual use costs is better than an EV and I don’t need to rely on chargers, and it works fantastic in all weather
People used to literally break their arms crank starting their cars in the “early days” of ICE. I look forward to the day in the not too distant future when we look back at these videos and laugh at the “early days” of EVs.
@@user-ge7yi1et5heli4s-b And I laugh at them when I drive by 120 people lined up at the Costco gas station. I haven't paid for fuel in years - solar baby!
To summarize for folks who don’t want to watch the 30 minute video - the problems are compounding:
1- Colder temperatures elongate EV charging time when they are not preconditioned to pre-warm the battery
2- There’s a huge amount of rideshare drivers that don’t understand the operation of EVs and likely didn’t plan for higher consumption and slower charging
3- Chargers were (and are!) still broken. Tesla had technicians at one of the sites I visited checking stalls, and superchargers are pretty much back running smoothly, but the other public chargers still are majorly lacking working units
4- Chicago already has a strained EV charging network. Add in longer charging durations with less working chargers and cars using more energy due to the cold and, well, shit hits the fan
It would be interesting to know how many EV owners in Chicago live in apartments where they exclusively use superchargers to charge. CHARGING AT HOME is one of the main reasons to get an EV and one of the biggest conveniences.
@@MurseTech64 Exactly. If you can't charge at home, you really should not be driving an electric car, especially in the winter. Big cities need community charging co-ops of some sort.
@ Kyle let's grab lunch
I heard there was a power outage that took a couple stations out too for a while - can you confirm that @kyleconner from anyone there on the ground?
Chicago area EV owner, +1 on the army of Bolts. I see at least 2 of them every time I hit or drive by a station. They're a swarm, if they're charging to 100%, you will easily have a jam at stalls with 4 or less.
i literally lived down the street from the tesla charger you visited like 3 months ago and used to charge there all the time. The reason they weren't working is because people leave the charger handle on the floor so water gets in to the port and freezes. this stops the charger from being inserted. The reason they were left on the floor is because the clips on the stalls are worn out so a lot of times the handle doesnt even stay in the holster
For want of a nail the shoe was lost,For want of a shoe the horse was lost, For want of a horse the rider was lost, For want of a rider the battle was lost, For want of a battle the kingdom was lost, And all for the want of horseshoe nail.
But "they" made a profit, so their shareholders were happy and therefore no one cared.
Floor = ground
This is a great observation, and I have seen it at a few superchargers that I have used. Hey Tesla, fix the design of the retention clip for the cord handles. Also, make sure there is drainage around the charger base. No one wants to stand in water while holding a 500V power cord, even if it has ground fault protection.
Ironically, a longer cable would allow you to hang it somwhere off of the ground should the latch fail to engage.
I live in Edmonton, Canada, and I have a 2023 Tesla Model 3 Performance. Recently we had a few days of -38C (-36.4F) in a row, and it was certainly interesting. The big thing I noticed is beyond -30C (-22F), there was not enough heat output in my tesla to heat both the cabin and the battery. At these temps, the car's heat pump and both motors were working overtime to simply heat the cabin, so much so that I literally could not fast charge. The battery was too cold. I sat at a supercharger for 2h and I was only getting 15kw by the end of the session. I really wish there was a backup resistive heater to help heat the cabin/battery. (This also means I doubt it could keep the cabin warm beyond -40C (-40F) since it was always on max heating when at -38C (-36.4F) )
So frankly if I had one fewer motors, that would NOT be good. The rwd only model 3 would definitely not be viable for our winters. The dual motor is, but only really if you have a good charger at home and a heated garage.
Also here's some nerdy numbers for yall interested. The tesla PTC heaters in older model 3's outputs ~5kw. The heat pumps in modern model 3's are ~7kw (meaning at -40, they provide 7kw since the COP is 1.0). And each motor is capable of providing ~3.5kw of heat. So a modern model 3 with dual motors and heat pump will have ~14kw at -40, whereas an older rwd PTC heater model 3 is only gonna have ~8.5kw of heating capaicity.
I really wish they had larger heaters!
Edit: It's also really worth mentioning that I've never seen a tesla supercharger go down. Even in -40, they've been solid up here.
Then buy a gas car then, EVs simply will never work in Canada due to our winters
Besides the -30 weather, do you have any regrets? Im lookin at the same car rn. I would be charging in garage and I drive my truck usually when its that cold anyway.
@@cohengamertv6548We get to -40 in Alberta many winters for a week or three and there are a lot of very happy EV owners here
Can never tell the outside temperature by Kyle’s attire - hoodie whether it’s -10F or 100F
Because when he went it was not in freezing temperatures. Even the gas freezes. And the door handles won't even open.
Lol....Hoodie temps at -10 F?
@@phooboy1if you watch a few videos from this channel, Kyle (the host) wears a hoodie pretty much no matter how low of a temperature, lol.
If hes only wearing a hoodie and these cars wont run then wow wonder how they would work in northern ontario. Minus 40 right now.
He is talking and rambling so much endlessly, it warms him up from the inside out.
One of my thoughts is that this being Chicago, there may be a number of Tesler / EV owners that live in apartments and do not have the opportunity to charge at home and have to rely on public charging stations.
Bingo!
Well if that is the case then they were not smart enough to do their homework.
It common knowledge that EVs are great if you charge at home and will be inconvenient for renters because you will be charging for 30 min instead of 5 min filling the gas. Add to that the reduced range in cold weather, and that inconvenience will be compounded. This is also common knowledge. EVs work in cold weather but you have to know the drawbacks. Using an EV for Uber in the winter is less than ideal because you will need to charge several times in a day. It gets worse when these people who don't do any research also don't realize you really shouldn't be trying to charge to 100% in an EV. It takes 20-30 min to get to 80%. It takes an hour to get to 100%. There is no reason to wait 30 min longer to get an extra 20%. So, these people will hold up other drivers from charging because they are clueless.
I can't be sure but this looks like it was filmed at the only Tesla dealership I am aware of in the Chicago area which means it is out in Hoffman Estates (actually right across the street from my primary care doctor's office). Most of the people in this area live in single family homes with attached garages. Even I now have a level 2 charger in my garage and I don't own an EV (yet).
@@ymcpa73 And if you do all your charging at DC fast chargers, you probably aren't saving much on "fueling" your car even in Chicago where gas is expensive compared to much of the midwest while electricity rates are relatively low.
Electric cars aren’t just worse in the cold. They completely suck if you don’t have a garage.
Not really I park my two MY’s outside all year long
Kyle: awesome effort! As soon as I heard about the charging fiasco in Chicago, I wanted to see your assessment of the situation. The fact that you flew there to actually see the charging issues first hand and then post this in-depth video is outstanding. Thank you for your efforts.
Yes good effort and a great business decision as a tax write-off for him along with making money on this video so he comes out way ahead. Good info nevertheless.
EVs are a small percentage still of all cars on the road and even a smaller percentage are used for rideshare, so if those cars in combination with a few broken chargers can cause trouble when it gets freezing cold then the infrastructure is nowhere near ready for mass adoption of EVs.
I own a F150 Lightning and I can't say I don't agree with you.
This recent problem illustrates the fault with only adding charging stations using a model that permits point to point distance charging. There has to be a user density factor added to the calculation. I’ve looked at the super charging network map for Chicago and I can’t believe it’s anywhere near adequate. I live in Milwaukee and we have a grand total of about 4 charging stations.
@@georgeidarraga4006 A large part of why the Tesla superchargers work better in comparison is because there's usually at least 8 of them. Someone's always leaving so queues are less likely and it gives a buffer if one or two of them are down. Also, there's no such thing as a Tesla Bolt lol. It's still at the highish price point too so Tesla drivers are less likely to need public charging except on rare road trips.
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Good morning! I recently had a conversation with a group of manufacturers, various products & equipment. How the F150 Lightning came to market, was released to the public, is beyond comprehension. It’s my view Ford owes you and other owners, 100% refunds if you wish. Ford either did little to no trials with the truck or they lied; I’m guessing the latter. I do hope Ford makes it right for you & others
Chicago needs more attention in regards to charging and not just in winter. It's one of the worst places i've had to deal with charging. I lived there for 10 years and i'm glad I didn't own an EV until I moved away because coming back to visit, it's pretty intolerable no matter what time of year it is. Every station on any network is either de-rated or broken or full with a line of people waiting or a combination of all of those things. It's hard to even find adequate level 2 availability. For being as big a market as it is, it's pretty pathetic that there is such a lack of charging infrastructure there.
I picture Kyle driving down the road in some new cool car thinking, what the hell is going on in Chicago? I got to get out there and figure this shit out. You are the man brother we appreciate you.
This is *exactly* how it happened 😂
@@KyleConner need a emergency red phone (like Commissioner Gordon from Batman 🤣)... "EV EMERGENCY, CALL KYLE!"
How is he “the man”? Because he drove there and made a whole video blaming “uneducated drivers” for problems they have ZERO ability to solve? This isn’t an education problem, it’s an infrastructure problem - period. What a stupid video.
🤣😅😂🤣@@z00fbar
Chicago has other issues besides cold temperatures unfortunately
Thank you for your thorough and dedicated coverage of electric vehicle charging experiences.
FYI: Tesla has already permitted at new 52 stall Supercharger for Des Plaines, IL 3025 Mannheim Rd. This is near the current Chicago O'Hare Airport location. Permit was issued 28 days ago.
I was in Chicago this past weekend and experienced this first hand. There were swarms of ride share worker that were dominating the DC Fast chargers (non-tesla) preventing anyone on a road trip or needing to get to the next charger in their trip. Literally had 6+ tiny EVs with Airport stickers on the back and a few people rotating them in and out of the charging spots. We went to 5 different locations, one broken charger at a 7-11, finally ended up waiting at an EV GO charger location where it got quite contentious on the order of who went next based on length of time waiting. Took an hour of waiting to finally get hooked up, then the charger wouldn't go above 31kW. Unplugged/replugged/restarted the charging session, finally sped up to 180kW. Once we got out of the city, we had no problems with DC Fast Chargers on the road using Electrify America.
You're not allowed to have that opinion. You need to tow the party line. We both know you can't tow anything with your car.
the bright future.....not, without the ability of home charging EV's in a big city is ludicrous.
@@stevenhorne5089 at no point did I say I was towing anything. Your comment makes no sense
@@brigst77 He was trying to make a joke
It's worth noting BMWs aren't having any issues due too their heat covers on their EVs
If you are a ride share driver, go charge at the end of your day when battery is warm. Do not wait for the battery to freeze overnight
you should just live in your car
Gee, an ICE driving ride share driver can fill up in just a few minutes, anywhere anytime in -35F or +125F temps. Good thing to know if you make money with your car.
I borrowed that car. A 2023 Polestar 2 with 12,000 miles and smelled like BO. I had to return it to Hertz.@@jebes909090
Fucking charge at home or don’t own an EV
@@jimjones-pz1tt At the cost of turning profit. Its ok Jim, you can hate EV’s all you want but painting them as something that don’t work is just intellectually dishonest. This is a lack of education, not that EV’s aren’t a replacement for ICE for some folks
Heat being a waste byproduct in ICE vehicles isn't really a "load," rather one of their biggest benefits in cold weather.
Exactly - heated seats and steering wheels and defrosters can add a modest load via the alternator and A/C if it needs to dehumidify, but the engine, if naturally aspirated, is running more efficiently and developing significantly more power. My old EJ25 Subaru would get 1-2 MPG better in very cold weather than modestly cold weather. Having moved to a turbocharged vehicle, that's no longer the case, but the better half's PHEV shows no drop in commuting fuel efficiency - less battery time, but the ICE is doing much better.
EVs are good in cold weather for entirely different reasons, like they're more pleasant to drive and don't have issues with transmission and differential fluid causing hard shifts, plus the heat comes on immediately. You take the range hit, but for a not insignificant portion of the population, they're the better choice in the cold.
@@jec6613Cold starts tank my mileage, but once the engine heats up, efficiency is not much different on dry roads.
I wouldn't call the wasted heat of an ICE vehicle a benefit. Yes, in the cold it does not need any extra gas for heating because it produces excess heat anyway. However, in the summer it does the same thing. An EV uses extra power only when heat is actually needed, instead of all the time. THAT I would call a benefit.
Two things impacted Chicago this weekend in regards to ev charging ...First and most obvious, a large number of Tesla supercharger stations were either only partially running or out completely, which is unacceptable in cold weather. Second, Chicago has an extremely large number of apartment dwellings whise residents do not have rhe convenience of charging at home, making charging at public locations their only choice, and if they aren't working...thise people are screwed
Also, Chicago is very anti EV and finding someone to hate them is very easy.
you mean EVs arent the panacea biden makes them out to be? dang
That's y I always make the point that the USA and the world on a whole does not have the infrastructure to facilitate the elimination of combustion engines by the year 2030, its jus not possible .
@@Autotech473The deadline will definitely be pushed back but the problem is, if the deadline was set to 2050 from the beginning, we'd still be at 5% EV adoption by the year 2045.
If Trump win the next election all EV dead line and mandate will be Null and void.
Kyle,
HUGE props to you for going to these lengths to research and report on these issues. This is so far beyond what anyone would expect from a UA-camr (or any reporter for that matter).
I am truly impressed by your dedication and passion for the EV cause!
Is it too much of a stretch to suggest maybe Geraldo Rivera has a long lost brother?
🤡
I agree. Although I’m across the pond we experience similar issues with charging infrastructure, reliability of chargers, commercial drivers hogging chargers, cold weather performance and newbies thinking they have to charge to 100%🤦♂️
I drive by a lot of these guys stranded …. In my ice car.
I live in Michigan. I'de never buy one of these unless I lived in a warm climate. I don't have time in my life to have to micromanage my car. I could not even imagine sitting around waiting to even start using a charger. I'll stick with my hybrid.
You don't have to do that if you preheat it
I live in Michigan, have Tesla, experience zero problems with charging
Thank you! When I heard of this problem yesterday in Chicago I was hoping that you'd talk to someone familiar with the problem in a video, but you did even better and actually flew yourself there!
This is awesome as I was quite curious about what was happening; I already understand the issues with EVs in cold weather and knew that the media was not covering the issue effectively. I wanted someone like you to give us an accurate view of what was happening and here you are! Thank you so much and it would be *great* if one of the major news outlets would make you a consulting contributor ;).
I do agree with you on this subject. The infrastructure is not keeping up with the car sales and for me the big one is charger reliability that needs to be key. And finally your friends advice at the end of the video if you can get a home charger fitted. I’m an Ev driver having had two Ev’s and I would not have one if I had to rely solely on public chargers.
And this is why I believe EV are not ready for mass adoption. How are people that don’t live in a home supposed to charge their car.? Can our electrical grid support everyone charging their cars at home? Can our roads handle heavier cars? I see these issues and see no action from our government to address them before we are forced to buy only EV’s
@@ederlikessoccer you make one good point. Mass adoption but it wouldn’t happen overnight anyway. The big problem is home charging but they are looking at ways to address this. The other points you mention the grid and can it cope the answer is yes because everyone doesn’t charge at the same time I charge about every 10 days. Finally the silly point you made can our roads handle heavier cars. Well no ev weighs more than a lorry a Tesla for example is 1800 kilograms my car weighs 2100 kilograms a big SUV like a Range Rover is about 2700 kilograms so to answer your point the roads would be fine. There are many chargers being installed at a growing pace Sainsburys are installing 1600 charge points at there stores over the next year. Take a look at plug share it shows all the chargers and some that are due to be installed. But I do agree if you have a way of charging at home or work then it is so much more easy than filling up with petrol.
Very few can afford this and it won't be affordable any time soon. Most people buy used cars, and used EVs aren't even an option right now.
@@stephenclay6852 the grid cant cope
No. People have to understand you have to have level 2 at home.
EVs have not turned out to be actual cars for normal people to use. It's a luxury toy for people who have their own garage and money for two or more vehicles. Just think how ridiculous being in a cold climate living in an apartment with no charging is.
We were so eager to build EVs, we never thought about how to make them useful.
I totally agree. I love how these UA-camrs run around shouting abt a $80Grand Electric vehicle is such a Great Buy. WTF
You nailed it about Uber drivers. In Atlanta every single DC fast charger in the city is filled with a Bolt with a Hertz sticker on it and someone sleeping in it. Im sure they all hate electric cars because they don't know there are better options
They all charge to 100%.... to make more money. Wasting hours because time is not money.
You, sir, are amazing! You have the ability to touch on everything and are an ambassador for the industry by being honest and fair. We have much to learn, but it is so much fun to learn again! Keep up your amazing work
Thanks for doing this for the EV community Kyle! It is great to have a knowledgeable person on site to provide the real facts of the issue. I agree as well that Lyft/Uber should invest in their own network of charging hubs if they really want to provide EV's to their drivers in urban areas.
This was a big issue in the bronx in ny the other day. We only have one super charger in the boro. One of the 72kw urban superchargers. They were clogged with cabs who were charging for the day. I had to wait 30 mins for a stall to open. Then when I left there were 17 cars waiting to charge. Again all cabs. None of these guys have home chargers. It’s ridiculous, they make this only charger in our area unusable. So a combination of only having one 72kw super charger in the area and ride share drivers taking up all the stalls. It sucks
Is it the one in the mall parking lot?
I wondered why there were so few Tesla chargers around Manhattan. Is there an issue getting high power connections?
There is no way a cab company can install enough chargers to satisfy not even a quarter of there fleet so even a city full charging capacity would be insufficient
@@SraMYM yes, it’s a smaller superchargers that are usually located in malls. Manhattan has a few that are in pay parking garages but they are a rip off. I’ve heard they charge you extra to charge besides the supercharging fees. Ridiculous.
@@ricmiller9624 it would help greatly to have more superchargers in the borough as more and more people are buying Teslas. But these cabbies are not helping owning these cars and not having a place at home to charge it. I don’t see how you can own an EV without having a home to charge.
These are the people go back to owning an ICE Vehicle, and then "bad mouth" EVs.
I just made a 90 mile round trip to work and back home immediately because the job site was closed in my ‘23 Bolt EUV. My efficiency was 2.8 mi/kWh, or 357 wh/mi. I used heated seats, steering, and cabin temp set to 61F because I was in heavy clothes for working outside in this weather. I have a few points that I think all EV manufacturers and drivers should take note of.
1) Always use -20F washer fluid. It works well enough in the summer, but it’s harder to buy.
2) Manufacturers need to add a heating strip to the lower portion of the windshield for the wipers. EVs do not have wasted under hood heat like ICE vehicles to keep wipers warmed in extreme cold. Yes, defrost works, but that’s wasting a lot more heat energy that could be used elsewhere. It will increase the cost of windshields, but it’s worth it for safety in the winter- maybe even a heat strip that runs around the outside 2” of windshield to prevent fogging on the outer edges.
That’s about it. Happy motoring to everyone!
Volvo has that electric heated windshield on ice cars, so it would be wierd if they dont have on their EV's.
Our Tesla has heated wipers that solve your second concern. I also only use low temp washer fluid because I've learned from experience that having washer fluid freeze to your windshield is terrifying.
I agree completely, another bolt driver here. I spent more time scraping ice in that specific area of the windshield than the whole car.
@@superman60201 - I learned this from my northern friends, the night before winter precipitation, flip your wipers up. If you have access to heavy plastic, like the black yard bags, use an old paper towel tube to roll the plastic into an oversized sock that can cover your wipers. I used duct tape, folded the top end over, and didn’t tape the edge all the way down so that there would be some plastic covering the base of the wiper. On door handles that extend off the car, like our Bolts, take an old T-shirt, stick the trunk between the handle and door, and allow the arms to cover the handle. This works great in ice because it’s much easier to get the ice off the fabric without damaging the paint. A good coat of Rain-X, when it’s warm enough, will help ice/snow removal all winter long. I find that easier than throwing an old towel, cardboard, or blanket over the windshield. We have remote start, and that helps prep the car if you set the temp high, and climate on auto prior to the storm. We can plug-in, but honestly it only takes 2-3 kWh to warm a car in 1F to 85F inside over the 19 min remote start run time GM allows. I don’t leave it plugged in during extreme winter weather because I don’t want to deal with ice/snow removal from the charge port. The connection is waterproof- I’ve been plugged in during spring storms so heavy I couldn’t even see the car 10’ from the door. I also cover my weatherproof outlet box with a black plastic trash bag to aid in winter weather plug access. I hope that helps. I’m an electrician with 30 years experience. If you want outlet advice, ask. You seem to be in the same situation I am- no garage or car port.
2.8 mi/kWh is about what I was getting last week in 20 degree temperatures. That was with heat blasting and thermostat set to 72 degrees. Interestingly enough, both city and highway driving were getting the same 2.8 mi/kWh, so in cold weather, the efficiency advantage of city driving over highway driving is gone.
Of course, if I needed to, I could have easily stretched the range further by piling on gloves jackets and driving with no heat. But, with easy access to home charging, I would much rather pay the extra energy and be comfortable. For just driving around town, even 2.8 mi/kWh still translates to far more range than you could ever need.
I wonder what’s stopping EV charging networks from building in heating to their chargers to prevent these issues.
I was here in Chicago with my RWD Tesla in the cold. I have only a 120V charger all weekend and my car could barely charge because it needed to warm the battery to charge. So in the morning when I left for work Monday it was -10F and I was running at 454 Wh/mi. I knew I had to charge. When I left work it was -7F I preconditioned on the way but EVERY charger within 30 sq. miles was full. I got in a line which took over 50minutes to get to a charger. So there are not enough chargers and they take so long to charge.
Your pain is understandable, and realistically, no one in the cold states should own an EV at this point in time without access to Level 2 charging at home, it just doesn't work.
120v isnt going to charge your car in extreme cold. the battery warmer takes 2-3kw alone and 110v wont get there.
😮 I live in Alberta, Canada.
When the temperature dropped to -34ºC a few days ago, superchargers worked fine. It took longer time to charge my car of course but no other issues at all.
Seems to be more a Chicago resident problem.
@@Plisken65yes, never blame the car. The human driver is the problem.
How much the battery drains overnight with such temperatures?
Yeah, loads of EVs near me here and I hear of no such issues every winter
SOOOOOO they say do not go lower than 30% ....a car with claimed 400 mile range is really
290 miles of driving and in the cold it goes to half...150 mile...now i get stuck on the expressway in a freezing storm the electric heater will kill the battery fast...
I would bring a propane heater as a back up....of just drive ice
I will never buy a ev knowing i couldnt charge at home.
The problem is people are being sold a dream by social media and adverts claiming they are great when realistically they are not and is not worth owning 1 if you can't charge at home or need to drive longer distances.
Well half of people have no garage so can't charge at home, do we exempt from legal mandate half and let them keep buying gasoline cars. Us here in MN where range in Feb is 30% normal also deserve an opt out....
Biggest issue I’ve seen with charging in Chicago is the ride shares, but Kyle didn’t mention slowing speeds as you near 100%. Everytime I’m stuck at an EA station for hours, it’s behind bolts and niros who are always charging to 100% and it takes over an hour per car.
I guess your time is worthless. We're all on this planet for a limited time. How much of your time are you willing to give up so you can virtue signal?
Charging station providers need to start adding a time component to the charges. If people pay the same for 1kWh delivered in 10 seconds as they do for 1kWh delivered in 10 minutes, they have little incentive to care how slow they're charging. This is also a problem with people who show up with cold batteries.
@@jimjones-pz1ttAnd how much of your great grandkids' future are you willing to give up so you can malignancy signal?
@@davidmenasco5743 Reality isn't malignant. Refusing to accept reality points to your hubris.
Dopes like you think you're saving the planet when the facts clearly show EVs do not pollute less than ICE vehicles, and in fact, harm the planet more when you take raw materials, production, life time operating and disposal factors into account.
But, guys like you don't give a shit about rare earth metals production because it happens in China, and what do you care if Chinese kids are born with birth defects and the places where rare earth ores are mined are the most polluted places on the globe as long as you get to drive a CLEAN EV?
But don't take my word for it, read what the Harvard International review has to say. Yes, that liberal Harvard University:
" An electric car requires six times the mineral inputs of a conventional car, and a wind plant requires nine times more minerals than a gas-fired plant. With current estimates, demand for REEs (Rare Earth Elements) could increase six-fold by 2040. Lithium and cobalt demand could increase ten to twenty times by 2050 because of electric cars. Demand for dysprosium and neodymium is estimated to increase seven to twenty-six times over the next 25 years as a result of electric vehicles and wind turbines. But REEs also have grim prospects: the way companies extract REEs largely damages communities and contaminates surrounding areas.
"For every ton of rare earth produced, the mining process yields 13kg of dust, 9,600-12,000 cubic meters of waste gas, 75 cubic meters of wastewater, and one ton of radioactive residue. This stems from the fact that rare earth element ores have metals that, when mixed with leaching pond chemicals, contaminate air, water, and soil. Most worrying is that rare earth ores are often laced with radioactive thorium and uranium, which result in especially detrimental health effects. Overall, for every ton of rare earth, 2,000 tons of toxic waste are produced."
TWO THOUSAND TONS OF TOXIC WASTE ARE PRODUCED FOR EVERY TON OF RARE EARTH.
Read the whole article here, Skippy.
hir.harvard.edu/not-so-green-technology-the-complicated-legacy-of-rare-earth-mining/
You don't have the balls to read this one.
The Worst Place on Earth
www.bbc.com/future/article/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth
If you Drive an EV, you don't give a shit about the environment despite your weak protestations to the contrary. I pray you educate yourself and change your ways before you kill your grandchildren and go to Hell.
@@gotamd Because people who pay for 300 miles of range should only charge to 220 miles. Brilliant!
What i don't understand... I live in Canada. I drive a 2018 Leaf without any active thermal management. I can charge my car without any problems at home. Yesterday, i charged at a DC charger after leaving the car in 15F (-10C) for three hours. It charged just fine. Maybe slightly slower than in the summer but not by much. Charged from 34% to 80% in 40 min. In the summer it would take maybe 30 min
What happened in Chicago is obviously a much more real world example of what to expect from driving an EV in the winter than is driving slowly around a neighborhood in the middle of the night.
Sometimes when chargers are down, simply calling the customer service # to get a reboot done will help
Kyle is doing ALL of the work that journalists should be doing. This is a glaring example of the state of humanity in 2024. Kudos to Kyle, shame on the rest. Spread the word.
Lyft and Uber need to invest in charging infrastructure before charging providers start adding weekly kWh limits
Lyft and Uber here. They are pushing driver to switch to EV but they don't care about charging, they also send drivers rides that exceed the ranges and blame drivers not accepting ride request. It's really a mass.
Agreed - Uber has this option to get the Uber Pro Debit card for being paid and gives you a discount on EVGocharges, but the Uber app seems to direct me to only defunct stations
kWh limits? Why!?
God, I hope you're wrong. It won't surprise me when it happens.
Why would a business ever limit how much money a customer can spend?
Kyle - kudos to you for jumping on this and providing an informed perspective on this troubling reality at this moment in time. Agreed that it will improve over time but what a sh*tshow right now. I gotta say this adds fuel to my hesitation to switch out my main vehicle from ICE to EV. While I love this stuff, I think EV charging is too complicated for the average consumer - too much to know vs a quick visit to the gas pump. (pre-conditioning, not charging to 100%, route planning, cold weather strategy, learning multiple apps, charging etiquette etc...). The opening of the Tesla network will certainly help if they remain true to their word, but the reliability and quantity of DC fast chargers in the US is not good. My town, Westport CT, with many, many EV's has one 50kw DC fast charger.
Sounds a bit like a chicken and egg problem to me.
Same thing happened in 1910’s. people weren’t willing to give up their horses yet until there was a gas station nearby. And gas stations weren’t being built until there was a market to put gas in cars. But ICE cars created real sh*t shows causing lots of deaths since there were no vehicle traffic or safety standards. It’ll work out.
Can't speak about other EVs but Tesla makes it pretty simple. However, you have to read the manual or at least watch a youtube video to learn how to use a new car you just bought. This should be done for ICE cars as well. I know many people who buy expensive cars with many features but they still drive the car like a 1990's Toyota Corolla. They just know the basics they learned from previous cars. With Telsa, just use the NAV for everything. It will guide you around traffic, tell you where to charge if it is needed, will pre-condition automatically, and tell you how long to charge. It also shows if the station is busy so you can choose another station. I don't use any other apps unless I want to find a level 2 charger or use a 3rd party charger. Not charging to 100% is in the manual and in the charging screen. It shows a notch for daily usage at 80% and road trips at 90%. If you go to 100% it warns you that the charging will take a lot longer. Etiquette is basic respect for others that your parents should have taught you. Don't cut in line and don't take up a space when others are waiting to use it. You don't leave your car parked at a pump in the gas station, don't do that at an EV station either. I'm willing to bet most people in Westport own a house and have a garage. So, there isn't a need for many chargers. If that station was always full, they would build more because they could make more money.
That's crazy our charging network is terrible it only takes me three minutes to fill up my 2023 f150 with a 36 gallon tank I get about 540 miles to a tank even in winter 😂
It’s not cost effective for rideshare drivers to use EV’s, electrify America averages .48 cents per KW or around 25 bucks per 200 miles. You can beat that with a hybrid and not take valuable work time charging
Thanks for the tips Kyle. I am still amazed at how many people have garages but don't put their vehicles in them. Instead, they store $500 worth of junk in cardboard boxes in the garage and leave $50K vehicles out in the elements and thieves.
Agreed if we're talking ICE-powered vehicles but I would not want to lose both my car and house to a thermal runaway but that's your call.
No one wants to risk burning down their home.
@@rudydedogg6505Lol, ever heard of fuses and breakers? How many times out of the thousands of EVs are there house fires caused by the EV? Yeah, that's what I thought.
@@rudydedogg6505😂😂😂
yeah, pretty scary when your EV manufacturer warns against parkjng in your garage or else it may burn your house down LOL
ok i might be a idiot but, what about the portable level 1 chargers? Better than waiting days to charge at public locations.
Interesting to hear about the Bolts there trying to fast charge. I imagine the slower Bolt charging times is a problem building up lines. Also Bolt in the cold must charge even slower then normal.
Absolutely! Slower charging, charging to 100%, compounds the problem
Ooooof. I had a Bolt in the Cleveland area and totally sucks on CCS. That’s why I won’t get an EV until I get a Tesla and Home charger
@@williamerazo3921You do understand that there are faster charging vehicles than tesla...... right?
@@Charlesbjtown Knockoffs
The Bolt's is not the problem. It's the non experienced driver's of them, they plug in with freezing batteriets and then try to charge to 100%.
DC charge before you put the car away (warm battery) , not after you wake up(warm) and the car and battery is freezing cold.
Thanks for going out here Kyle! I was curious what really was the root cause of the problem here and it seems to be a combination of rideshare RWD LFPS and some chargers being down due to snow stuck in the handles. It would be great if you could test the theory (maybe with Ryan's car) that the LFP RWD heat pump isn't enough to heat the battery to accept a charge in extreme cold/wind as that's the model I have!
Coldest place on Earth last week my Bolt had a 190+ km range. It ran okay at -48C but it was too cold to go far so I bought food then went home. 7 ice cars were dead on the side of the road.
My Bolt did great in 12F weather where I am. Preheat melted all the ice and it drove without complaint. I noticed when plugged in it kept drawing a bit of power even after full and I’m thinking it keeps the battery above freezing when plugged in.
Ice cars just need a battery swap or jump start and they are good to go. Not the same on ev
@@nanjappa need the right oil on your ICE car too.
@@arenjay3278 sure again there are more options for ice, any mechanic you can tow and get help. The sheer amount of options available for ice vehicles just not available for ev
@@nanjappa wrong.
And the problem is also with all EVs right now, there isn't a button that turns on preconditioning, they all want to be 'smart' and skip that button. The car need to realize sometimes the human behind he wheel is much much smarter than it.
Not really 😂
Thanks for the work you do!
Avoiding the charging hassle is why I put a pre-order on an Aptera, I'm hoping I only have to charge on long road trips.
Good luck waiting on your vapourware car...
I totally agree. Im😢really excited about the Aptera. I'm hoping they take their time with the research
Norway doesn't seem to have problems. Either the learning curve in the U.S. is still in its infancy or Norway was ahead of the curve.
User errors. Dumb owners. Need to educate themselves.
All of these EV charging problems, which seem to be getting worse instead of better, only reinforces in my mind the decision I made 18 months ago when shopping for a new vehicle. I liked the idea of having an EV, but since I live in Florida and have evacuated multiple times due to approaching hurricanes, the last thing I wanted to do was have a limited range EV while in stop and go traffic with thousands of other cars trying to get to a safer area, or waiting in a long line of EVs waiting for my turn to charge up my car when I'm desperately trying to get out of harm's way. After lots of research, I ended up purchasing a Lexus ES300h hybrid, and have not regretted it at all. I love the fact that the EV battery recharges itself as I drive, and I get between 44 and 48 mpg. Not least of all, this Lexus is the smoothest riding, quietest car I have ever owned. To me, it is a win-win!
Hybrids have always been the solution.
When the time comes to replace your battery, be prepared to pony up a huge amount of money! Hopefully, you’ll still be under warranty. This happened with my 2007 Prius. Great car but when the battery died, it would’ve been $3,000 to replace. Fortunately, the car was still under warranty even though barely. That was the good news. The bad news is that once the warranty ran out, I would be on the hook the next time it failed!!! No warranty on the new battery!!!! I traded for a regular gas powered car. No more hybrids or EV for me!
Ha ha, I live in south Florida and during hurricane 🌀 threats the gas station's 1-3 hour wait times if they even have gas (most are empty) at least for now the ev charging stations aren't as bad during hurricane threats, and for a lot they are charging at home (no wait times) and most ev's have similar range to ice cars which would get you a good distance away from the hustle and bustle to wear gas or ev charging won't be as bad if your evacuating. This year was the first year I didn't have to sit in any gas lines I just charged at home. I just watched as I drove by all the people waiting at gas station lines ( which used to be me). A good tip if you do have to get gas during a hurricane threat. Go to the gas station in the middle of the night, less waiting
As I recall that in the big traffic pile-up last year the electric vehicles were still functional after 15 hours while the gasoline vehicles had all run out of fuel.
And after the last hurricane in my town, we didn't have electricity for gas stations either for over a week. Everyone stayed at home since the closest working gas stations for 70 Mi outside of town.
Stop and go traffic is better with an EV, my range always increases in traffic jams.
Beyond Kyle's comments re home charging, Bjorn Nyland could weigh in on this issue with a wealth of practical experience. In Norway, not known for its warm climate, 25% of cars on the road are now EV's and somehow, they're making it work. I'm sure these type of headlines will provide grist for the EV nay-sayers.
Because they have a lot SC and Kempower chargers and not the other crap
The whole of Norway have less population then Chicago, abundance of electricity literally and as a figure of speech, they got power socket everywhere.
Population density counts
People in Norway know what to do to make their EVs work in the winter. I think Tesla could put some info on the center console screen with tips on how to operate an EV during the winter.
Norway isn't cold where most people live. It mostly howers around just bellow freezing in the winter even in cities like Tromsö.
Very informative. It is currently -10 °C and my condo does not have any option for EV charging in the garage. I'll stick with ICE for now.
Given your situation, that makes sense. Please consider a hybrid for increased fuel efficiency on your next purchase. We have one EV and one ICE. We are keeping the ICE for 12 hour multi state trips to visit family several times per year. We’d both love to be an EV-only household and I’d personally like to have a nice EV like my husband’s, but the infrastructure isn’t there yet.
Gas pumps seem to work all the time what with all broken charging stations?
I don't have that problem. My Tesla works like new in Chicago winter. Don't buy if you can't charge it at home. I always charge to 100% in winter and never lower than 30%
I remember a video a while ago that Kyle and Dave were in NYC talking about a ride share company that had 2 of their own DC charging facilities that were massive. They had staff to rotate their ride share EVs through - AND the facilities were open to the public as well.
So, rideshare EVs can be done. And done well.
Just like it is very doable to have an EV in cold weather locations.
The EV charging infrastructure in NYC is pretty bad and very slow on expansion. The demand for charging infrastructure exceeds what is available. There have not been any new charging facilities since that video, only smaller street pole charging stations that are usually taken up by any car looking for a parking spot.
Pam here…. This should be a learning event for EVERYONE, Tesla, all EV makers, EV Owners. Thanks Kyle for digging into this. Chicago and all urban areas with throughfares with interstates need to get MORE chargers. Tesla needs some Education programs, pre-emptive notices for extreme weather events with MESSAGING how to prepare! When we took delivery of our car a year ago this month in Chicago…I was SHOCKED how LITTLE they made sure we knew before letting us drive off. A NEW car tutorial as you take delivery and use for the first month should be on screen teaching you about your car.
just buy a normal car, no worries
Its not really rockets science but you do have to have an understanding and patience and no one in America has or knows either.
pAm h3rE 😂 sorry that had me weak lol
Common sense much?
We almost got into a wreck in Florida after renting a regular car at airport and they let us drive off not telling us anything….we could NOT find the headlights! With a Tesla at least we could use the voice command with the push scroll button on the wheel. All new cars ICE or EV are much more complex.
I live in Chicagoland and have a 2018 long range model 3 and yes, the cold weather is brutal on range.
I had to drive to Milwaukee almost 100 miles on tollway one way going 80 MPH and outside temperature showed -10 Fahrenheit I was using a little over 650 KWH and yes Super Chargers were very busy.
But I would not want to do it in any other car.
I have a few questions, if you don't mind. Does your car have heat pump and heated seats? On average how much percentage extra gets used in your car in near 0F temps? I'm an EV enthusiast and owned a 40kwh Leaf that was a base model so no heat pump, resistive only, no heated seats so around 0F and lower temps I had on two occasions experienced almost 40% range loss. Luckily the Leaf actually liked charging in cold temps better than hot summer weather due to the passive "cooled" pack so I was able to fast charge in a reasonable time and carry on.
I always navigate to a different charging station than the one I actually show up to. That way my preconditioning doesn't shut off until I actually plug in 🤣
My 2008 diesel can do 700 miles on a full tank and takes 4 minutes to refill.
Ive never experienced range anxiety while using it and it’s smooth as silk to drive
I agree, The Rideshare companies need to provide their own exclusive charging hubs in high demand areas metro areas.
I don't think that would help since it would cause many of the public charging stations to close.
Where?? They're going to have to drive to a specific spot each time to charge? Airports are the only spot that make sense.
@@devoe4096There is a Planned 56 stall Tesla Supercharger coming to O’hare area. So far the Largest outside of CA.
If the Uber, Lyft drivers are renting the vehicles from the company they work for, the company should provide reasonable regional charging locations to service their fleet of vehicles, No different than a traditional CAB company would have it’s own refueling stations. It used to be Ride hailing companies expected the drivers to own their own vehicle rather than supply it to drivers.
There is a HUGE problem in Chicago of Bolt rideshare drivers completely clogging charging stations for 95+ mins each to 100% despite a line of 10 cars behind them. Charging stations are pretty much useless already without even factoring cold. In the city, people don’t have home chargers and didn’t understand how much of a problem this would be with slow charging cars.
Also, every single lvl 2 free charger usually has a Bolt or Tesla sitting on it with someone in their car, usually sleeping.
Irregardless of who is using the charger, if they are paying to get their vehicle charged, even if it takes 3 hours, they are allowed to be there.
Other drivers not accounting for the longer wait times and sitting in an EV til its dead, or "dropping it off" then coming back 8+ hours later after having gone home and got some nookie and a hot meal then come back to get their car are the problem.
Imagine leaving cars in gas station pumps for 8+ hours just cause you want to act like some sort of self-entitled prick with a Porsche or Ferarri? Think of the shit you would be facing when you got back IF your car was even at the property cause the owner had it towed.
I think property owners should have some form of monitoring for the chargers that lets them know when the vehicles are fully charged. That starts a timer that, after a certain time frame, then allows the property owner to either have the car moved on property to not block the charger anymore, or have it removed from the property completely. Which the monitoring service and the Tesla GPS information would be able to back up the claim of charger blocking and make the move or tow justifiable.
@@overyonderjustapiece I don’t think you understand how specific the rideshare issue is to a walkable city like Chicago where most people live in dense apartments with no place to charge at home. Uber and lift have been offering crazy cheap bolt promos to people who do not understand how these cars work and are ruining the charging infrastructure for everyone. I used to do Uber in a bolt, I never would charge past 60% because it didn’t make any sense to do so. You would literally waste time and lose money doing that. But these drivers don’t understand and will spend 15 mins charging the last 2%. My ioniq could get to 80% in that time.
What would actually help is EA adding a slight increase in price after a certain amount of time. Charge premium for the last 20% during peak hours. It doesn’t make sense for them business wise to charge $20 for one 95 min charge when they could have gotten 7-8 faster cars charged in the same mount of time and made way more money.
The cold just exacerbated the existing issues.
Most ev fast chargers I have been at (Europe) stop charging at 80%.
@@Termnath all people will do is leave there car during non peak hours
In NJ you drive to a gas station, they fill it up, you roll down your window and give them cash. In and out in 5min. and never leaving the warmth of your car. My wife does this once every 2 weeks and she’s happy.
Who can please convince her to go to a charger twice a week and wait about 30min. each time so I can buy a Tesla? Help me out!
Excellent informative video, a lot of my family was asking if I could charge my car in the cold, and I just charge at home but this video was helpful and might even convince them EVs aren’t so scary as long as you’re educated, but there’s still wrinkles to iron out!
Kyle, get real and deal with the real problem. In cold weather people range drops significantly, they are preconditioning, and because of range anxiety they are charging to 100% because of the weather conditions reducing their range. Also because of the cold weather they are charging slower and it takes longer. In cold weather EV's have a smaller gas tank, they don't have the same range. So you are increasing the charge put into the vehicle, the charge rate is reduced, and there is a increased demand for charging because of the weather, and your spending more time at the chargers because they are less efficient. You need more chargers in the cold weather. This is technical failure by design of EV vehicles. Lets get real EV's have major technology limitations.
This is not really a problem when the charging infrastructure is more mature. I live in Norway, park my EV outside (no garage), and only have a slow 'emergency charger' at home. I use the home charger whenever I know my car will be parked for a long time, but mainly rely on public fast chargers. I top charge my battery when I'm parked outside a grocery , or at work etc. This way I'm very seldom under 40%.
Glad to have a PHEV here (BMW X5 50E) lately and not a BEV anymore, it's really a freeing experience from my previous years from 2013 to now in BEVs.
It makes me wonder how many ev's had serious charging problems up here in Alberta, Canada, where I live. Last week all week the temperature was at −35. And even worse, the windchill brought it down to as much as −50 some nights.
I made a charging tip video where I told people if you get to a supercharger in your Tesla and have to wait to charge, just navigate to the next closest supercharger so that the car will keep your battery heated while you're waiting to charge.
That doesn't work if your battery is already too low, which most people on a road trip would be. (unless you start hunting at 20-30%)
@@jfbeam on a road trip, you won't need to do this, because your battery is already going to be warm from constantly driving and charging
@@teslasnek This has not been my experience when road tripping with my Tesla even on temperate days. The nav system will direct me to the calculated supercharger and start preconditioning about 20-30 minutes out. I noticed that the preconditioning consumes about 4% of the battery.
@@teslasnek Until you get to a SC and have to wait an hour. How hot's your battery then?
@@jfbeam that's literally what my video was about
That is another thing if you’re going on a electric vehicle, you need to be able to charge at home I know that’s not possible for everybody just yet the infrastructures are not there but going to a supercharger every time to fill up. It’s just stupid. They are for road trips.
What a great content Kyle. You are at the forefront of EV education to the mass public. I have owned EVs for 3 years now and this video reminds me of my first time in an EV when I was an apartment dweller without any home charging option. Although I was educated with the batteries and chargers, I struggled a lot. The final say of Merchy is the way to go. Invest in a Level-2 charger and the EV experience is so great afterward. Thanks for the video.
whether you precondition or not, if you're waiting 5 hours in line to start charging, that battery is frozen af when you plug in
Watching morons wait 5 hours to charge makes me wonder what their time is worth. Obviously less than minimum wage.
As an EV owner w/out a garage, I agree on the infrastructure issue-lack of it, lack of maintenance and lack of access for credit card users. This video was interesting and somewhat helpful, but it would have been more helpful if you had talked about Bolts and preconditioning.
Ride share drivers are a huge issue in Toronto too. A year ago I could find a charger no problem. Now there is almost always a car share driver at non-Tesla stations.
Soon, when all of the cars come with NACS plugs, they'll be at the Tesla stations too.
Great video and thanks for the education! As an engineer, I fully understand issues with this technology. The learning curve for the engineering teams that develop this equipment will be a test. I am sure the improvement’s will come as the issues arise. I don’t see any obstacles. Thanks for your video’s.
Don't ya think all these issues should have been addressed before selling EV to the public !! A waste of money.
Hi, I drive a 2010 Nissan Patrol, I have 185l of diesel fuel in 2 tanks, despite being a heavy 4x4 pickup/ute with full steel toolboxes, tray & bullbar (Probably 7,000-7,400lbs) this will last me 1,200-1,500km, less if I am towing.
Range anxiety and re-fueling do not dominate my life.
BEVs are only practical if you own a house with a garage and have a predictable, stable job. If you intend to do ANYTHING else with a lithium battery car you will find out how inflexible and impractical they can be.
I'll use myself as an example: I have a rental property in the city, no garage - park on the street, work in road construction/earthmoving across 3 big projects primarily 2.5hr drive up the coast and I spend most weekends and free time with friends & family in a country town 4hr drive inland from there.
During the week we book airbnbs for accommodation, you cannot make expectations for charging infrastructure when you don't know where you're sleeeping day to day, week to week, this is the inflexibility problem of BEVs.
There is no BEV on the market anywhere that will suit my lifestyle, NONE. Certain things I could do differently but overall being forced to go with an electric ute/pickup would chain me down and offers little to no advantage.
Unless batteries with at least 4x greater energy density can be invented and produced en masse for a decent price BEVs are NOT 'the way of the future', they are a dead end for all offroad equipment other than underground mining, useless for aerospace, maritime, buses, freight rail, trucks etc.
People should consider EVs as a niche not as the future of everything, that is impossible with current Battery tech.
Agree! Uber and Lyft need to invest in their own dedicated charging hubs. They will avoid future potential regulatory backlash for sure.
They have a large pool of drivers. If they run out, they just up the prices of the rides. What is their incentive to invest in charging? They get their money both way's.
@@benwoudaways is not possessive, plural, nor a contraction, so it doesn’t take an apostrophe. Thank you. Too many people do this. It’s embarrassing that our public schools have deteriorated to such a degree that second-grade writing skills have not been mastered. Our teachers would have shamed us with such embarrassment we would never make such a mistake.
Why don’t they have problems in Norway where close to 90% of car sales are ev’s and the climate isn’t exactly warm.
Norway is close to the ocean and not as cold as you might think. It's 43° in Oslo right now, which is warmer than much of the United States.
@@huskypup3489 Europe has been experiencing an anomalous increase in temperatures due to global warming...(all the hot air pours there, the ocean currents have changed, bringing the cold air to the US coasts) this is why there are so many deniers of overheating in America (coincidence, but it won't last long) the rest of the world is overheating and ironically the cold air has gone crazy pouring onto the American coasts...(obviously it won't last long if we continue with this overheating) even Russia is becoming a meadow of flowers (Europe is the region where overheating is most felt, every year the situation becomes visibly worse) ironic that those responsible for all this overheating (United States and the export of unbridled capitalism) are cooling their own territory while overheating the rest of the world (it seems ridiculous, but it is scientifically proven that the change in ocean currents caused by global warming has removed all the European cold by diverting it to the United States) now African anticyclones hit Europe even in winter... (the climate is totally gone crazy in Europe, but because of the heat) You don't have to believe me, you just need to do some research to confirm it
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣yeah right.@@glaxb17
@@glaxb17 You are a kook. Please seek help.
They don't have high numbers of stupid we have here...
You said it, EVs don’t work in the cold, admit it. It’s easier to drive up to a gas pump, and be on your way.
In Chicago and much of the midwest, the Electrify America is really bad regardless of weather. There were some very butt-puckering experiences on our drive from Chicago to Hilton Head last spring in our new etron S Prestige; worst being the drive in Indiana torwards Lafeyette, IN (when we pulled in 6 chargers, only 1 working....intermittently). Only saving grace was a nearby hotel with a Tesla Level 2 charger and having packed an adapter to use Tesla charger to J-plug.
10+ years with a Tesla Model S before the Audis, the Tesla SC network was REALLY dependable on the MANY 1000+ mile roadtrips we took with it.
Why did you switch? Other EVs sound like a horrible experience.
@ogzombieblunt4626 I'm a car guy...not an EV guy. Tesla makes a great EV appliance. Audi makes a much better car that happens to be an EV (and I say thar condifendently owning both an etron S Prestige and an RS etron GT.
I am an EV car owner on the North Coast of Ohio, it is 5° and my little Chevy bolt works perfectly fine. But I have a detached garage and at home charging. When I first looked at buying an EV I could not charge my EV at home, it made no sense so I passed up buying an EV at that time. When I developed the ability to charge it home, then I bought an EV. An EV makes absolutely no sense if you cannot charge at home overnight. I live in a rural county and there are still no DC fast chargers in the county. We are so backwards that you cannot even buy e85 here.
When you grow up you'll realize it's the highly advanced and forward thinking Democrat-run dystopian cities that are backward.
@@jimjones-pz1tttouch grass
@jimjones Your handle says all l need to know 😝
@@jimjones-pz1ttSome advice: Just drink your kool-aid. When you spout stupidity, you only appear more foolish.
You're fortunate, e85 sucks.
Aaaand this is why I went with a Diesel. Electric Vehicle just are not ready for prime time.
1- EVs have big problems in cold weather
2- On average it takes me 3-5 minutes to fully fill my diesel, not 45 minutes
3- And I don't have to wait hours in a parking lot waiting for my turn to fill up.
4- Gas stations take up waaay lot less space
5- I have never seen an idiot park a vehicle at the pump and then leave it there overnight.
"Just like an ice", umm an ICE is around 30-40% thermally efficient, the cab heater runs off the waste heat which is basically free also drivetrain all waste heat no problem, a EV must use battery power to heat the cab and battery and drivetrain, just not the same unless your just talking about the minor seat heaters and window defrosters that are electric even on an ICE.
Hard to imagine how a fast charger has any issues with cold weather, just use a few kw to warm the charger with resistive heat reducing the efficiency slightly and increasing cost slightly in the winter, usually high power electrical likes the cold, no need to liquid cool the charging cables, get it cold enough and it becomes superconducting :)
Kyle Thank you for your passion when it comes to explaining everything electric cars and charging. And welcome to Chicago and Keep up the Great work 👍🏽
Dude you can’t precondition a battery if your car died while on line waiting any new idea please?!! Also if the charging station is not producing enough current on a dead battery how would kick start charging. Just wondering 💭
The concept of not having home charging and using an EV is just insane to my way of thinking!
This x1000
Some people might not want to risk burning their entire house down lol.
Is it? Do you understand the activist side of why EVs even exist and how that aligns with the idea of a combustion engine ban? These mf don't give a single f_ck about people's ability to charge at home or not. That's the reality, short sighted green on the outside rotten to the core socialist government controlled utopia. Choice is just an illusion, it's EV or nothing if they get their ugly ass way on this
I did it, and am really working hard to get home charging. My workspace has one charger, but scheduling is a hassle. I got the car before having a home charger because I didn’t want to miss out on tax credit! And I’m glad I did… M3 no longer has $7500 back!
You can buy a lot of gas for the cost of a home charger. And not risk burning down your house.
It’s crazy here. Monday 3/5 chargers I went to were broken or full. Too many people don’t level two at their residence or work. I only need to get 20-30% to finish my trips in the winter. Today I found an ice car blocking a charger, almost deflated the tires. One of the problems is that Chicago has a ton of charging and in the summer you can get away with just fast dc charging. Go up to Wisconsin and there are about four dcfc between Madison and Milwaukee.
Things are changing.
Dude gas cars don’t use more fuel in the cold to heat the cabin. A has engine produces WAY more heat than is needed to hear the cabin under any operating conditions. Even in the cold winter air, the cooling system is rejecting heat into the atmosphere!!
Curious to poll new EV drivers how many even know what Pre-Conditioning is. Or if they know temperature impacts driving range or charging capabilities.
I think a smart feature to the would for an app to say “hey it looks like cold temperatures are incoming please plug in the vehicle to keep the battery in good working condition.”
I think most of them can't. I bet you that the majority of the ones on the news complaining all live in apartments where charging at home isn't a possibility.
Or you could just use your brain 🙄
If only people were that smart in this country...
Apartment dwellers and other types of homes do not have charging stations, or in many cases the home electrical system is old and the cost of upgrading for a home charger is to great for many homeowners. For now, EVs are best suited for people wigh high disposable income. For the average middle American, EVs are not a good idea.
Preconditioning and climate control is a good way to keep your vehicle warm. If you plan to leave your Tesla in cold weather. Outside for long periods of time. You can use the Defrost car feature.
yeah right, you can't even defrost your pos electric turd I bet.
To get maxima charging speeds you really should have a Model 3 Performance battery pack above 110 degrees Fahrenheit. I have seen mine get all the way to 135 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal charging before.
Last I checked like 50-60% of the Swedish market is EVs, mostly LFP M3 and it's super cold there, yet we hear nothing about them having the issues we had in Chicago. I hate to say it but maybe it's us...
Model Y just became the best selling vehicle in all of Europe! Go Tesla!
Those who cannot charge at home should not buy EV.
Not true. Just be aware of the problems you could face when others try to game the system. There are no laws currently so people will do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want.
@@davidbeppler3032 No, I'd say he's got it correct. If you value your time at all, don't allow others the opportunity to waste it. Buy a car that refuels quickly and only refuel when you need to. Gas pumps at the same speed no matter the temperature.
if biden admin has its way with emissions regulations and cafe standards everyone will be forced into EVs. enjoy the chaos!
Ride share charging hubs where the drivers have their own payment card for them would be a great idea. BTW Kyle excellent work going to Chicago to try understanding the issues there. You the man! 👍👍
I never though I have to do so much work and planning, just to put fuel in my car, in this case charge.
I still spend 5 minutes to top of my ICE car in ANY weather
The heat that warms my engine or cabin doesn't use extra fuel the ENTIRE time I drive once the engine is in operational temperature after a few minutes. It comes from normal operations
The fuel I put in my ICE car doesn't suddenly produce HALF the driving distance just because it gets very cold
I can buy spare parts and reparations from many different business at reasonable prices and am not forced to go back to the manufacturer and pay crazy prices
and ....
Ya, no wonder people are waking up to the reality that EVs are not the savior they thought they would be.
Those three days were the coldest 3 days in Chicago in the last 27 years so it was very much of an anomaly. The longer the low temperatures lingered the worse things got. I have driven BEVs for the last 4 years. The was the first time that battery charging degraded to .5 kw.
From what I saw, people didn't prepare and charge up their car the night before. They also didn't prep the battery before charging. Yes some stall broke down but majority of the people don't charge until it falls under 30% and don't prep their battery for charging. I was on a rental, charged it to 95% the night before and still had 50% left before charging and returning it to the rental company before my flight. I parked outside at my hotel and yes I did see some lost but not enough to brick it like people and the media said. It was just a media hit towards Tesla, they did not mention anything about other EV manufactures.
Lol when I heard this story on the news why was that the first thing that came to mind 😂. Like no one thought the cold/snow was a real threat, then started panicking when shit went down😅 but of course no one mentions their lack of preparedness. They just say it’s all the cars fault
The mighty Tesla chargers failed , get over it fanboys.
@@budapest1002 Because everyone has an ICE mindset where you go anywhere, anytime to a gas station and fill up. You have to be a little more mindful with EV's. Remember that ICE cars don't start in cold weather also...that's why they have block heaters in Minnesota, even so 12V batteries can die too.
Gee, ICE drivers don't have to study owners manuals and watch geek videos to operate their cars. They just keep gasoline in the tank and go 24/7/365/Death Valley or Fairbanks.
@@miketubbs1198 link me an article of entire lots of bricked ice vehicles because they would not start in the cold, and then we got a comparison. Gasolines freezing point is -100°f.
You can also bring your 12v battery inside any apartment and hook it to a trickle charge
This video completely validates that EV is not ready for prime time, at least in cold weather regions.
You can blame the EV drivers for not knowing how to ‘use’ an EV in cold weather, but 95% people just want to drive a car, they don’t want to know how to change their oil, they certainly don’t want to precondition their battery before charging it every time. And the real issue, which you didn’t see because you didn’t arrive when it was actually cold, was the Superchargers weren’t working when it was cold. So the solution to that is to have your own charger at home? LOL
I’ll keep my hybrid. My actual use costs is better than an EV and I don’t need to rely on chargers, and it works fantastic in all weather
I never want to go back to driving an ice in the winter!
I hope to say this one day. From the Red River valley aka Narnia.
People used to literally break their arms crank starting their cars in the “early days” of ICE.
I look forward to the day in the not too distant future when we look back at these videos and laugh at the “early days” of EVs.
People died from it. The inventor of the starter was a preacher who decided to fix the problem when one of his parishioners died.
@@user-ge7yi1et5heli4s-b Get in a Plaid.
@@user-ge7yi1et5heli4s-b And I laugh at them when I drive by 120 people lined up at the Costco gas station. I haven't paid for fuel in years - solar baby!
@@mnorma12 There are two tails on all normative distributions. Not everyone is a winner.