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EV Public Charging Put to the Test
Here is my agenda-free video about the state of public charging in my area, I take the Tesla Model Y out and try some local fast chargers and give you my thoughts on the general state of play. We also see the Octopus Electroverse card in action for the first time!
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Is the use of this card dependant of having Octopus as your energy provider?
@@SteelCityRiderNo, I had one six months before switching to Octopus.
As an EV driver I thought this was one of the best reviews to date, finally a review without Clickbait. well done
Thanks
Very interesting video, thanks. You’ve hit the nail on the head there right at the end. Experienced public charge users will have no problems, but I do long journeys infrequently and my worry is exactly as you said with Podpoint - turning up at a charger in the middle of nowhere, maybe at night, in the rain and needing to install an app, register etc while possibly with poor cell reception. The government should bring in some rules that say all chargers must be capable of being used with contactless only!
Evidently they all need to have contactless by the end of this year according to regs
The government has bought in new laws to improve the use of public charging including contactless payments. I don’t know when it will come into effect. A parliamentary committee has also made a recommendation to reduce the VAT on public charging from 20% to 5% in-line with home charging.
I often stop at the popular Stafford Services on the M6. There are only 4 charging devices there for potentially scores of EV's. We are nowhere near ready
That’s pants! The way Exeter has done it is a model for the rest to follow.
Stafford North has 2 gridserve and 4 BP. Stafford South just 2 or 3 gridserve. However there are also 6 Ionity just off the Motorway junction at a Starbucks. It's a well served location.
@@simondehaas8784 Thanks for the info. However for the number of EV vehicles around now still not a lot.
@@agiugabenson7268 it's not bad. As more hubs open up, the load on those that exist already is reducing. Gridserve recently opened 12 chargers at Hilton Park North and 6 at Sandbach; Tesla recently opened up a big public supercharger site at Trentham just off M6 J15...all these make it less likely than ever that you'll have to queue at Stafford Ionity.
Why would you stop at the motorway services when the Ionitys nearby are so much faster and more convenient? I'd only had my car four months and it was my first really long road trip, but even I had the sense to avoid the motorway service stations with only the old 50 Kw Gridserves and find somewhere better close by. Which includes Stafford.
The other place I was avoiding was Forton, for the same reason. But now Forton has been upgraded and I'll be able to go there in future. Probably won't be long before they do Stafford to, despite its not really being a priority due to the nearby Ionitys.
It's not just the UK. I did a trip to Belgium and my plan all along was Superchargers. Pulled into the hotel in Belgium to find available EV charging and out of principle figured I'd use them.
Electroverse card? Nope. Elli card? Nope. I tried three other cards, nope. Then out of bloodymindedness figured this was a challenge I was going to accept!
First app, needed a Belgian address. Second app failed to complete sign up. Third app completed sign up and would then send me an authentication card, by post, to my home address in a couple of weeks.
An hour later, I accepted defeat and the just went to the Superchargers down the road as originally planned the next morning.
Tesla makes road trips utterly easy. I know others say the same if they stick with a single network too.
Disparate apps are nonsense.
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plenty of petrol stations mate
@@joebarrow6577 Nah, I leave my petrol, diesel and LPG vehicles for the short journeys at home. Much prefer road trips in the Tesla. Maybe you missed the part where I said the original plan was to use the supercharger just up the road?
I was just describing the ridiculousness of the situation that was an ad-hoc event, it was never part of my intention, nor did I need it.
(There's also plenty of electric options, there were some high speed chargers in sight on a disk carriageway but at a higher price than Tesla so why do that either?)
On the continent, contactless payment is far less common, but almost all chargers take rfid cards as well as app. Road tripping with an Electroverse and Elli card in hand is really easy. You can virtually all the chargers without any apps at all.
@@simondehaas8784 Simon, I said that I tried Electroverse and Elli at that particular unit. I agree in general that those are helpful but sticking with Superchargers just works seamlessly.
The daft thing was that in the example I have at a hotel, would have been perfect for an overnight charge but nope. Didn't need it, I never rely on hotels but if they're there, can work well...or not! 😁
Nice to see your local chargers are working :) 2 local ones completely broken here (GeniePoint owned) have been out of action for weeks, instavolt chargers at the local Bannatynes all had their cables cut off by copper thieves.
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Also the Government introduced a new regulation on 24-Nov-23 that requires all EVSE’s to use contactless payments, including some retrospective requirements.
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Very interesting video once again, Jim. Nice one! In a short space of time you've explained loads of things about EV ownership I never realised I needed to know. Great stuff 👏🏼
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I swear the whole purpose of apps is to get customer numbers in the hope of offering a customer base to a prospect intent on business acquisition. "Please buy me, we're worth this much with all these customers..."
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Brilliant, you show the same frustrations I often have when charging out and about. I have driven away from a number of charge points that require 'another' app.... also a very big annoyance is the lack of cover at many charge points. The number of times I've got soaked through faffing about at a charger in the cold and wet and always at night..... JUST PUT COVERS OVER THEM PLEASE!!!!
With a solar panel on top maybe!
I always charge from home as I never go very far, but have a long trip coming up so I got myself an electroverse card and you do not need to be with octopus to get one, very easy to use as I recently found, one card does it all, but is contactless, but there is a "plethora" of chargers throughout UK and europe and using the electoverse map found planning my journey very easy, my main gripe is the cost of using public chargers, if I could not charge from home then I would never have an EV
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Most enjoyable, Jim and of course very fair as usual. I would find it very interesting to see more videos of your day to day experience of EV ownership. I'm sure I'm not alone in finding your unbiased presentations refreshing as well as informative. Thank you for the effort you put in.
Thank you!
Great video Jim.
I am in the process of getting a new car and considering EV, but most of my charging would be at home. That said we do go on trips around the uk so this was really useful.
Your points are all great and it really shouldn’t be this hard for themes charging companies to get this right.
Contactless on all chargers
Roof with solar over the top
Wide parking spaces.
If they want to have an app option as well, that’s fine but they should incentivise people to use their apps with lower rates or discounts or offers.
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Didn’t realise you were in Ferndown. Same as me. I do enjoy your videos. Keep them coming.
Thanks, will do! See you at Tesco Express some time 😂
Interesting video. I’ve only charged my Model Y at home and on a couple of Tesla Superchargers two or three times. I had a Gridserve £250 RFID card from my lease deal, but didn’t get to use it before it ran out 😂😂.
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I got my ev 3 weeks ago and I’m amazed at how narrow the bays are and so many park on the line meaning you can’t get in the bay next to them. Porsche Chester (not Chester but Ellesmere Port strangely enough!) was a washout as even more embarrassing I have a Mokka e but the bays had two sales cars on them that weren’t charging or don’t think even evs. InstaVolt never had an issue but so expensive at 85p per kWh. Best one for me is Tesla supercharger (10 miles from home as have no home charger) wide bays quick and 34p per kWh. Great video as usual Jim thank you again
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Good down to earth content. The biggest question it raises for me is, how can the charge companies business model work? Like you, I charge at home, so rarely use public chargers (3x in 2 years so far). So, if in the distant future 60% (assuming all households with off road parking) of all cars rarely need them, how can the infrastructure be supported with approx 40% of cars regularly needing them? Petrol stations would struggle at that usage level! Potentially looks like a future of petrol stations going bust, as the ICE car numbers dwindle, and charging companies going bust due to lack of use!
I guess they charge so much when they are used that it sees them through
A GOOD VIDEO JIM THANKS FOR UP DATES BEFORE WE ARE TEMPTED TO CHANGE FROM OUR ICE
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Great video Jim. Very balanced, no hysterics !.
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Great vid Jim, like these real life situation ones 👍👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it mate
Indeed, it's daft from podpoint, though I use them as they have the cheapest rate
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Just ordered an ID.4 as 90% of my driving now is around town and having my survey for hte installer next week. Have signed up with Octopus through your link, so thanks for that!
Down the road in Dorchester, so probably not as much of a network as there is around Poole/Bournemouth, but I'll only need to charge on motorways outside home charge, all being well.
I used to work in Dorch! 👍
Haha, what a small world it is!
Think I've got at least a 3m wait for mine to be built, so it's gives me time to get my head around all the different charging options.
I'm like you, don't want to be signing up for all manner of different apps. I just want to plug and pay, so that electroverse card seems like the best way to go.
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Great content as usual. Dont have an EV but i know from speaking to work colleagues that the situation WRT different Apps etc is nuts.
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Any charge point that can’t accept a contactless card and requires an app is a pain. I have to use Connected Kerb app where I work and the app has just been updated for the worse. But it’s all better slowly than it was 11 years ago when I had an early Leaf. Keep the faith it’s not getting worse.
Yep, it’s 100% getting better and pretty quickly now. If local councils weren’t so backwards with regards to planning it would help a lot too.
Just got a LR Model 3. I plan on charging at home and hopefully work (I have a feeling we will get a couple of chargers soon). However, there is a GeniePoint 50kw 20 meters away from me I have already used to try it out. Seem you get a little discount with the Octopus card always nice as its 75p per Kw! This will only be used if I am in a rush etc I would imagine. Ordered the card with your link though. Nearest supercharger is about 15 miles away from me annoyingly. There is one about 4 mile away at the services planned (listed as Q3 2023 so must be delayed haha).
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There's clearly more progress to be had, great insightful video.
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Absolutely right, the app controlled chargers are annoying, especially the 7kW ones! I picked up the RFID card for Scotland, but have rarely been needing it, since not often up there.
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Don’t know when you last used your card up here but the CPS free chargers are almost as rare as hens teeth now and even a 7kW charger will cost you 39p/kW, 50kW units are now 59p/kW and restricted to being 40 minutes plugged in before overstay charges at 40p/minute but…………. If the 50kW unit is part of a charge hub and there are unoccupied 50kW chargers available you can just move straight to one of them and start a new 40 minute charging session on a different unit. Also read the terms of parking very carefully if the chargers are in a car park - some of them you need to also pay for parking, some (like Stirling) don’t require parking fees while charging, so you fleeced for fuel and >£1 an hour to park there! Oh and most of their chargers now have a minimum use fee of £1.50 on most of their units now.
Always like an Instavolt. Totally agree with your views on Pod Point, always try to avoid them.
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Usually have to preload your PodPoint account with at least £5 to get a charge as well as the Faff of getting the App
Pod Point is cheaper
Great episode mate 😎
Thanks for the visit
The more chargers we have that work, the easier it is for me to fuel my petrol car. I have noticed in my local area that i am waiting less time to get to the pump a peak times , i just love EV`s
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The Octopus card also give you access to the Ionity chargers that don't accept credit or bank cards. The list of chargers the Octopus card accesses is quite extensive but it will not activate the BP Pulse and sadly the growing number of Tesla chargers being made avaliable for all evs. My hope is that Tesla will dominate the ev charging market as their cost per kWh is probably the best of all the rapid DC chargers. Good video by the way, you are so relaxed to camera.
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Thanks Jim - it’s a jungle out there. With the added issue that you need to be wary that some restaurant/pub/hotel charger locations have their own rules in order to avoid getting a parking ticket! Without a home charger I’d still be in an ICE car as I couldn’t put up with this carry on doing 350miles per week.
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With how popular the town is in the Summer I still find it hard to believe that Tesla hasnt installed superchargers in Ferndown. They have the space for it! They keep saying its next year 😅 - also, a lot of these public chargers need to be more intuitive and user friendly.. sometimes I feel they just dont want to take my money hah
Local councils don't ever really get a vote of consifence from me; unless someone is being paid things seem to move very slowly
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru I second that. Very true! Just wanted to mention an app that I use whenever superchargers aren't available. It's called Zapmap and shows the local charging networks. It has a social aspect to it so you know with 95% confidence if the charger will be functional or out of service before heading there. You can see the price, if it accepts contactless/RFID , speeds etc :) - you can also read other people's reviews or leave your own about the chargers you use
We will in the next year to 18 months be changing our family car, been down the EV route before and it lasted 6 months before we got rid of it. This time we are pretty much set on a plug in hybrid, we like the Toyota Rav 4/ Suzuki A Cross and currently we will be looking at a lease deal as the saving against PCP is massive and of course I'll use your lease loco link when we go for it. Interesting video which confirms to me anyway the hybrid is the way forward currently. Cheers mate.
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Good insight to EV ownership. I’ve been considering buying one but apprehensive about the charging network. Good work Jim, would you recommend any particular home charger? Your video has not put me off EV’s but I’m not sure the charging infrastructure is mature enough .
I’ve charged publicly 3 times in 5 months so it’s no big deal. I’ve got an Easee One which is great but lots of good options around
Good video as usual Jim but it still says to me the Infrastructure is just not there enough to get me out of ICE car yet 🤷♂️
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Very useful
Glad you think so!
I have a fistful of cards. I've actually used a podpoint card twice (hotel car park and Tesco) and I agree about the need for a podpoint card for their chargers.
I've used the Electroverse card at the Eden project (Mer chargers ), That's how to do it.
I've also used the chargers at Cornwall services on the A30, but it's disappeared off the maps?!
I've used a shell card somewhere, can't recall where.
I've used the Mer destination chargers in Wimborne with varied success. The 50kW charger wasn't working but the newer 22kW chargers opposite the model town were. And room for wheelchairs and since then, Mer have installed 22kW and 50kW chargers in a third car park.
I've also used the Instavolt chargers at Pimperne on the A354. First one was out of order, but the rest were working. Trust me to pull up to the only dodgy one.
I also charge mostly at home.
Personal experience only, but I've never seen a queue at chargers anywhere, and only seen all chargers in use at Tesco when they were free.
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My father is disabled and discussing his disability with him we concluded most of these public chargers would be inaccessible for him. Given how new public buildings have to accommodate the disabled it’s a great shame this has been given so little thought.
It’s wicked really
👍👍👍 It seems the powers that are forcing the motorist to change to EVs are incapable of setting up the infrastructure too support the change. There needs to be a set standard to which the charging manufacturers need to adhere too. They are putting the cart in front of the donkey, its not going to work in the allotted time scale. Thanks Jim
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Looking at the positives here, (i) spaces were available at all the locations so no waiting (ii) each location had working chargers.
Yes, yes!
The Pod Point charger at Lidl, if it is as new as you say, is totally unacceptable and daft for Pod Point as they will have to upgrade it soon. The new EV charger rules that came into force last November (2023) say that all chagers of 50kWh and over MUST accept contactless payment from 24th November 2024. Whoever thought it was a good idea to install a charger without contactless, that will have to have a contactless reader installed in less than a year is just lacking all sense. It must be more expensive to retrofit a contactless reader, rather than install the correct one now. Fools...
Yep, that store opened about a month ago
Like you I don't understand why a new Rapid charger does not accept a contactless card, however I use Podpoint quite often for its destination chargers, at places such as car parks and hotels. I have the App on my phone, along with several others, Pod Point is the ONLY one that I have used in over a year, whilst the only RFID card I have needed has been for Charge Point Scotland. Normally for rapid chargers my Credit card works well.
The size of charging bays is mostly down to the 'host' car park, not the charger supplier. You will note that the new chargers, not yet in service, at Rownhams Eastbound, have a dedicated extra large bay for those who need it.
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I like the way you gave the companies a beating. When it comes to payment and excess ability for disabled drivers. Wouldn't be much use for parents with young children either.
Yes, it’d be a nightmare trying to deal with a car seat or a baby carrier at that Instavolt location.
Being a wheelchair user. I'm just not convinced to swap over.Due to the lack of thought being put onto it.
Great video. Do you know if the octopus card works with chargers in Europe? It was I’ll be good to have one card for everywhere if possible.
Yep, works on several European brands
Individual circumstances still dictate as much as the progress made in charging. If you can't charge at home ICE makes more sense currently.
For me it would but obviously many can charge at work etc which takes the hassle away.
Suppose depends on cost at work though.
Great review
Didn’t know electroverse existed
So have just used your link to sign up
This will make it easier only really needing 1 RFID card and app 👍🏻
Welcome aboard!
This video demonstrates why we are a long way from the widespread adoption of electric vehicles. Can you imagine having to use these locations late at night? I don’t think you are going to feel very secure. The industry needs to focus on hybrid vehicles that will help to bridge the gap between the lack of secure fast charging and eliminating the range anxiety issue. I personally am not convinced that the current model of using lithium-ion batteries is the right path. There seems to be a mounting list of reasons not to use this technology for mobile energy
Just keep in mind I’ve used a public charger 3 times (only once for longer than 15 mins) in 5 months.
Battery lighting is fair point
I enjoy watching your videos, thank you. Your personal driving profile is a key factor in the purchase of an EV. Tesla is the only choice if you want a sensible charging model. The industry has a significant problems right now, I feel link they and political issues have messed up the whole thing very badly @@DefinitelyNotAGuru
Contact less is the way forward, however i think the biggest issue is it's more expensive than a petrol car @75p/kWh, unless you can charge at home!
Although I did a long road trip yesterday and used Tesla Chargers, 35p for 250kw at one of them which I think is a big win! almost the same as my standard daytime rate at home.
Thanks - confirmed m worst suspicions about public charging (even when they're working!) For now, I'll stay with ICEs (or maybe - if really pushed - go for a hybrid).
👌 the good news is that I’ve used a public charger 3 times in 5 months of ownership, this is the reality for a lot of people with home chargers
I thought the Government had made it a requirement that all new chargers must have contactless payment without having to have an app.
From the end of this year I believe from the comments
Poke poke Jim! Should be mandatory for contactless payments!
Yes!
Another thing that should be mentioned is the weight of the cable. They will be a problem for some elderly and disabled.
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The pub charger also looks to have difficult access to the unit with it being up a Bank for the less able bodied.
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I think would be good to also see charging at a Tesla Supercharger for comparison or maybe you don't have one near you. Would also be good to see the cost as that's probably the most important.
Yeah, I don’t (the Tesla dealership can’t get planning permission!). It’s the easiest thing in the world. Plug the car in and walk off, no payment, no app interaction, nothing. Fraction of the cost too!
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I guess you're lucky because when you can charge at home the best place not to have a Tesla Supercharger is near home.
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Jim. As you did not set the chargers in your Tesla map app as the destinations it will not precondition your battery and therefore the charge speeds will be alas much lower than you expect. Try again but with pre conditioning…
So much for vendors following the new government rules of requiring contactless eh….
Yes I know how it works but I just couldn’t be bothered to use the SatNav in my home town. Obviously on a road trip it’s a different kettle of fish.
I enjoyed your video, but not sure why you didn't tell us the cost of each charge ?
The price is on the screen mate…
Same as Porsche Silverstone, it’s in Towcester
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Yes all chargers should simply be swipe or contactless!
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Can't see why the Government don't enforce that especially if the company is getting grants.
Or just plug in and be billed to account.
Not a complaint .
The problem is see is as of this moment in time EV's are still low in numbers.
And when numbers start to go up and you can't charge at home.
So decided to charge at a local shopping centre whilst doing your shop for the week.
And so has 20 others.
This is when I see the biggest problem starting.
Not enough charging stations.
Where I live most of the chargers are 7 kW in those towns car parks.
Tesoc lidl and aldi don't even have chargers.
Morrisons has a single genie point.
That can only charge two car at a time.
Not bad considering it can park around 200 cars.
And this charging station has been out of service for a month.
👌 as I said, I wouldn’t have one if I couldn’t home charge.
Podpoint, what are you playing at? And what happened to the governments 'Road to Zero' strategy, that said all newly installed rapid chargers had to provide debit or credit card payments by Spring 2020?
It’s now later this year I believe, why on earth they’d install a new podpoint in 2024 without it baffles me
Shocked by prices. Every charge point made the motoring more expensive than petrol. And I'm also put off electric by the way every charger needs a different app. What a pain. I don't need an app to buy diesel. The system exists to pay with my card.
Yeah, but it’s about £4 for 200 miles charging at home, I’ve spent £35 on public chargers in 5 months
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Great point, but sadly I don't have a drive. My neighbour runs a wire onto the road, but I don't fancy that.
I beg to differ; yes Podpoint can be a bit of a faff but once you have their app, that's it. Really like all your videos but Podpoint are the most reliable, especially their 7kw, and at Lidl and Tesco there's room to unhitch, for me.
Had to leave Skye early because of their 28 sockets, 18 were broken and so slow that by the time I got back to where I was staying my range was almost back where I started. Scotland 's east coast was fine but I felt like a stuck prisoner!
Took almost 3 days to charge enough using the 3 pin plug to reach the 50kw bank at Kyleakin (a Podpoint no less).
I'm still a total EV fan but my next will be a Tesla. My Etron is superb, but, like you I search for reliable chargers.
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I just can’t be arsed with the apps. Why not just offer contactless?? Making your product easy to buy always leads to more sales.
imagine the neighbours over the road curtain twitching when you have your light on late at night.
Huh?
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru fighting for electric when the time comes lol
@@Chris-uk. wow, that is all…
Might be worth showing on another video how cheap, easy and powerful the Tesla Superchargers are
I shall, next time I’m near one.
Not if you don’t drive a Tesla.
A lot are now open to non-Teslas (unfortunately)
Regarding low charging speeds - did you have a cold battery? Tesla (and other brands) have a preheat facility that will preheat your batter prior to charging, I don't have a Tesla but I believe that if you tell the car where the charger is, it will preheat prior to your arrival.
edit - you then mention this. It was almost certainly the car slowing down the charge, not the charger.
Yes, however the Porsche charger and the Osprey are a mile away from each other. I charged for a minute or two at the Porsche one and it got to around 10% of its max speed, the. Osprey one got to 90% of its max.
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru both speeds equalling 45 kw. So the car saying that's the max I can take at this temperature.
@@harvardan yeah, the first one was only about 35 (from memory ) but I guess it had warmed slightly before i got to the second one
Definitely especially the Tesla with the LFP battery is a lot slower if it's not been pre-conditioned. Took me a few confused attempts to work this out and annoyingly the Tesla navigation system doesn't include many of the charging networks. For example MFG are an excellent network but none of their sites are in the Tesla system, so you have to do an annoying workaround where you put in a Tesla SC as your destination in order to fool it into pre-heating for you. Ideally also drive for half an hour or so to warm the battery up through driving, don't try to fast charge from a cold start.
Big let down with Electroverse is that it doesn't include Gridserve yet.
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Is the use of this card dependant of having Octopus as your energy provider?
No, it’s unrelated
Apps are great if you don't want pre authorise holds on your card? Imagine needing 3 chargers on a trip,how many £££s placed on hold???
Great point, I just can’t be arsed with them. Either give us an app that works with all or just let us use contactless.
Dont need cards or apps,just build it into the cars. My MG4 has plug-n-charge but only Fastned at the moment? @DefinitelyNotAGuru 😢
I think the reason you were not getting brilliant speeds at the Porsche charger is because you had a fairly high state of charge.
I think it’s was because the battery was cold after reading comments and doing some research.
Those public prices are outrageous. If you cannot home charge at 7.5p it's far cheaper to run an old petrol or diesel. Love our EV but no way the mass can switch at those public prices.
Yes, I agree. Luckily the Tesla prices are much more reasonable (not that I really use those either). You do also have the added benefit of next to nothing in terms of servicing costs / congestion charges etc (and tax at the moment).
In 9000 miles from new I've only super charged 3 times and rest has been public chargers non tesla. So had good experiences but if I was planning to use public chargers I'd try to avoid a non Tesla EV as your video demonstrates they're no way near as good! Plus more expensive
Would like you to have compared the Tesla charging prices to others
I would’ve have liked a Tesla charger within 50 miles of my house. Tesla charger is much cheaper, much easier, much better.
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru it's half the price in many cases
None of them are particularly cheap though. I don't see how switching to EVs will be appealing to Flat owners until charging prices are at least on a par with petrol and probably cheaper given that charging hasn't yet hit the speed where it is of similar convenience to a filling station.
Obviously some in flats can still have a home charger but for those without I don’t think it’s particularly appealing right now.
Have a look at Dave Takes It On for the charging situation in the NW. Overall it morrors your findings. He makes a point of being careful of pre-authorisation charges and additionalparking payment fees at some sites. You certainly need your wits about you.
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What about cost variations.
What about it? Not sure what you mean
@DefinitelyNotAGuru sorry before i watched the video,not having an EV i thought there was a big difference in the cost of charging from different manufacturers but after watching the video there's only a few pence difference?
@@stephenwilletts2293 Tesla is much cheaper but there’s not one near me so I didn’t show it in the video
rumours that Tesla are putting SCs in at the Golf Course near Ferndown police station
Oh yeah? That would be a good spot. I know they can’t get planning permission at the dealership location.
Try that again but this time get up to the North East and do the test as though you are one of the third of UK households without off street parking... and try it at holiday times trying to get your family off on holiday from here to Scotish Highlands or Devon.
A family vehicle should be able to cope with all the family demands not the family have to change to cope with the vehicles demands.
For charging All chargers should be able to be used by a debit or credit card not having to use an APP on mobile phone
Ok mate. I probably need about a grand to make that. Are you paying?
So to sum up the EV experience then, you buy a car with a battery of a certain size but you cannot use it all. For the most part, chargers do not deliver the charging speeds stated. The range of the car varies massively depending upon weather and battery load but is rarely close to what is promised. The price of public charging and the user experience is hugely variable. Charging at home is cheaper but you have to pay for your charger and for charging losses. It is no wonder then that the value of used EV’s has taken such a pounding. Add to all of this, fast evolving technology, unrealistic new prices and virtually zero government incentives and you have the perfect sh*t storm! Great content though and I completely agree with you on how important accessibility and usability is.
You can use the whole capacity, charging speed is also dependent on the car but there were some oddities here.
Home charging? No requirement to pay for a charger, that's an option and loses aren't big at all.
Other stuff, can't remember but it's not all bad.
It’s not quite that dramatic mate; I love my car and it happens to be electric.
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru I completely get that and I think if your circumstances are compatible with an EV, it is still a really good option but right now, that is not the case for the vast majority. Ironically the places that have the biggest problems with pollution/air quality have the poorest EV infrastructure. Is London really serious about air quality when it is happy to let highly polluting cars in if they pay, who is that actually helping!
Some years ago to buy a computer you had a be geek and know exactly what you were doing. Electric cars seem to be in the same place brilliant if you know and it suits you rubbish for the rest of us.
I don’t think you need to be a geek, life is just much easier if you have a charger at home (in my opinion)
79p kwh wow that's 20p per mile.
Very expensive
7.5p at home though, that’s 99% of the time
Total joke last time I went to the garage I payed with a card but I could have paid with cash or Apple Pay ect .
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I have been fitting domestic chargers since around 2012 and loads of my customers have got pissed off and gone back to ICE cars, they all said they liked their EV's but as soon as you start using public chargers sitting around for ages in scummy carparks you realise what a pathetic idea they are and how rubbish the charging infrastructure is. I obviously make money out of EV's but I have got no interest in owning an EV myself.
I can't understand why you can't plug them in at a public charger and just pay for it without handing over your life story and full family tree before they will let you have any electric.
When was the last time you had to piss around like that with apps and stuff to fill up an ICE car.
This whole EV thing is about restricting movement and data mining. Look at the total cock up Hs2 has been and it's a tiny project compared to getting millions of drivers into EV's, the infrastructure will never be good enough.
We have had mobile phones in the uk for 40 years and we still haven't got one decent network provider with a reliable phone signal around the country. Our politicians are a bunch of dreamers, EV's will end up a half arsed project like everything else they attempt to do.
Yeah, I’ve used a public charger like 3 times in 5 months so doesn’t bother me but for a regular user I’m sure there can be frustrations
Porsche...86p. presumably that's either because they know Porsche owners like to be ass reamed or because Porsche owners get a discount rate for a while and they want to discourage others from their crown jewels?
Just because it’s supposed to be very fast I guess
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru probably yes, still the same 'leccy at the end of the day.
@@djtaylorutube yep
What a pain!
Glad I charge at home 99% of the time.
Picking chargers at random show clearly there is no single standard. Poor locations, poor payment methods. Maybe 1 or 2 of 4 locations are just acceptable. All new chargers should, by law ... take easy payments and allow for disabled people.
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They do by law now require contactless payment. Lots of legacy chargers out there installed before the law changed.
Or new installations breaking the law…….
@@brettsta72 that Podpoint in the video was installed about 2 months ago
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru I stand corrected the law comes into force on 24th a November 2024 for charge points of 8kw and above. Source : Public Charge Point Regulations 2023.
Hopefully I'm at an age where I will never have to buy an EV, just not worth the hassle.
Fair enough, I love mine
I agree that contactless is the best payment method, and it is being mandated by legislation soon. However I think using the Electroverse (or other eg Elli) rfid cards is also straightforward. It does need some education though, I think that's the biggest challenge for new EV drivers personally, gaining knowledge needed to make it easy.
Apps are rubbish but only Tesla (for non Teslas) and Podpoint need them, no other major networks.
Your limited charge speed at Porsche was entirely down to your car being cold. I know you put the note up about preconditioning, but I think you should have edited out the complaining as you drove away.
More generally I think we'll have to ask ourselves whether bad charging sites matter if there are also several good sites within a few miles. Unfortunately there are quite a few legacy bad sites around and they aren’t likely to all get uprooted. It's another piece of knowledge that new drovers need; which networks and types of sites to avoid.
I don't think I should've edited out the complaining as my complaint is/was utterly valid. The Porsche charger delivered 10% of the maximum 350kw; the 50kw Osprey charger which is a mile away delivered 90% of its capability - the battery was cold for both of them yet the "slower" one performed much better.
@DefinitelyNotAGuru your battery would have been warmed slightly by the first charge. Rapid charging heats a battery quickly. It's impossible to be sure but the fact that your charge rate at the porsche charger seemed to vary a bit (between 35 and 39kw?) implies to me it was limited by the car. Normally a charger limited session has a completely flat charge rate.
Having said that, it's not unheard of for Ionity chargers to limit themselves to around 35kw when the chargers cooling system fails. It's possible this charger had the same fault. If I had to bet from what you showed, I'd still bet on the car.
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I don't have a smartphone? no apps for me so no EV's
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