The Toyota SFR Will Be THE Maiata's Doom
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- Checking out the now re-released Toyota Sfr and how I think this will change the game in small affordable roadsters
#Toyota #Mazda #Honda #ford #bmw #z3 #miata #mx5 #gr #sft #subaru #brz #gr86 #Capri #s2000 #roadster #jdm #Daihatsu #sazuki #car #cars #sportscar
Knowing Toyota, they will not produce anywhere near enough unit to meet demand. This shortage will cause bidding wars with wealthy elites paying $10,000 or more over MSRP, and dealerships will do shady things to capitalize. Miata is in absolutely no danger.
Unfortunately I can't argue with you on any of that. They have chilled out now, but I remember seeing GR Corollas sell for $20,000 over in Ontario
This car won't leave Japan.
Even if it did, it won't successfully compete with the MX5, nothing ever has.
Add this to the list of dead contenders.
I do hate that you maybe very well correct in saying, this won't leave Japan. Would be a sham3 of that's true. As for dead contenders? Gazoo Racing has made some bangers. I like Miatas, but let's see what's up
@@metalheadcarshow769
Tell how this Suzuki competes with the MX5? Looks are in the eye of the beholder, but this thing is fuck ugly. Will it be cheaper than MX5? Will it out perform it? Never mind the fact that the Mx5 has a cult 35 years in the making.
If this car came out 25+ years ago, then maybe it would have a chance, but not in this market.
Plus how many bangers does Toyota have if you don't count the BMW and Subaru? I guess that new Prius looks kinda cool
@KidNato as mentioned in the video. The sfr won't be using the suzuki drive train. So we can't look at it from that angel.
And The miata has a massive cult status, even if the toyota is amazing it won't be able to break that.
And I'll count things like the GT86, And Supra. But those 2 along side the GR corolla and GR yaris? Banners.
I have owned lots of Hondas and as of late, Toyota and Lexus vehicles. I’ve added two Miatas to the garage. As much as I love my Toyota products, there’s no way in hell they’re going to out Miata a Miata.
I like the term out Miata a Miata. But perhaps give great composition
Miata is not doomed at all by this lmao. Miata stay on top
We shall see
I agree. Miata has nothing to worry about. lol.
@@metalheadcarshow769 Dude, if that SFR things looks like it does in those old promo materials, then I won't even look at it. ND Miata is a GREAT looking spots car. Every time I see the RF, I think "dude, if I were rich and could have every toy out there, I would effing get Miata just for the looks!".
S-FR - a cute quirky looking toy car that I'm sure many grandmas will love... Having said that, I see Miata is very popular among middle-aged women in the UK (I don't know why, it's just most of the time I look at the driver, it's a middle-aged woman!), so a convertible version of that cutesy quirky SFR may just be a hit over in the UK.
That thing will never ever see US soil.
Hope your wrong.
If this car ever makes it to Europe, I'm pretty sure it would be ridiculously expensive like the Suzuki Jimny.
I just looked uo Jimny prices for the UK. Insane!
Yeah, man. You watch the news, see a SMALL car, that's a breath of fresh air amid all US-market-only cars... and then you find that EU screws you again. I legit wanted a Mustang or Nissan Z but fuel cost and CO2 would kill me, so thought I'd settle on the GR86. NOT. Only up to 500 cars imported to the UK, allocated by lottery or something, no longer sold - thanks, EU!
EU is also killing the 2 litre Miata! Because it's producing too much CO2 for the weight category it's in! What?? But there's no problem with 3-row SUVs that are emitting much more -- heavier cars are allowed to emit more. WHAT???
I have no hope for this SFR or any other new enthusiast car. It's official: new sports car is dead in Europe.
@@andycalifornia426 EU fucks up everything, I was hoping that maybe I could buy a Jimny but since they aren't coming as a 4 seater anymore (thanks to EU) it's just another dream that won't happen with family it's not practical as a 2 seater, I know that the Long wheel base it's already out but since the short one is already stupidity expensive as it is I can imagine the long wheel base won't be an exception.
The mark up price on these is just going to get people to buy Miatas instead
Thank you dealership
Why would anyone want 150 turbocharged HP in a S-FR when you get 181 naturally aspirated horsepower in the MX-5? If it's not going to beat the MX-5 on powertrain, then in what way will it be better? I think it's unlikely that a Suzuki platform will be better than the MX-5 in terms of handling characteristics and suspension.
To summarize, I think it either has to be cheaper than an MX-5 or it needs to include the GR-Corolla 1.6 l turbo tuned to make at least 225 HP for a similar price (USD$35k) to a top trim MX-5.
Fair points!
I don’t think any roadster can dethrone the MX5 unless Mazda ruins their formula on the 5th generation, though I don’t really expect them to do so. I definitely think Toyota can take a piece of their market share with their own 2 seat manual rwd car, and I’m confident whatever they produce will be a great car as long as it’s got a Toyota designed motor. I’ve owned an NA Miata for over 7 years, and I’ll gladly buy this new S-FR when it comes to market, cause I’ve been drooling over it ever since I first saw it in Gran Turismo 7
Nice! What Gen of miata?
I agree on a lot of what you said. I have my doubts Mazda would screw it up. But I'm sure there's someone at Mazda saying some nonsense like. It would sell better with just a CVT. Let's hope that never happens
@@metalheadcarshow769 I’ve got a 91 Miata, turbo 1.6, making about 170whp. The main thing that gives me hope in Mazda is they have a really strong philosophy towards designing fun and memorable cars. I do really want Toyota to increase their sports car line up, and I’d happily welcome the competition between the two companies.
@MICHA3L216 your miata sounds awesome! And let's hope Mazda keeps that as a focus going forward. Sure they will. But we've seen too many companies bail on it
Yeah, man... Toyota, stop using other company engines! Supra turned out alright, but Subaru 86 engines are a shame when all is said and done, in both gens (1st gen horrendous torque dip, 2nd gen - instead of actually fixing engine design, they just threw at it more power and as a result, it's too thirsty for a 4-popper, in a lightweight car at that!). And now Daihatsu? Daihatsu who?? I've only seen commercial trucks and such by Daihatsu. I'm not confident in their ability to make a good engine - FOR A SPORTS CAR. And sure as hell I don't expect it to be Toyota-reliable. It'll be another disappointment like that 86, a huge compromise.
Toyota, Lotus used your effing engine! How much more a confidence booster do you freaking need??
Well I've owned a few MX-5's over the years, I'm also a GR Yaris owner now, I'd buy one of these in a heartbeat if they come with the 3 cylinder turbo & if they come to Australia, Rj in Oz
Nice selection of cars! And cool! If they match the miata for weight, ita going to be a rocket
On the GR86 platform use: you're missing the plot here. S-FR is a primarily coup, not a convertible. Maybe they'll do a convertible just for shits and giggles, but that is not what it's intended to be.
Before doing the video I read convertible somewhere. Looks like you are correct though. My mistake
@@metalheadcarshow769 Probably due to its connection to that Suzuki Flat White.
So what will happen with 86??? Will leave BRZ alone??? I hope.
I assume nothing. It will probably be a great fit as a bigger more powerful car than the sfr, but smaller and cheaper than the Supra
@@metalheadcarshow769 Are there enough GR86s sold for Toyota??? I was hoping Toyota would drop the 86 so Subaru could add a turbo engine and 4 wheel drive to the BRZ.
Enjoyed listening to you saying "taa-o-Da" instead of Toyota, since the rest of your video was borrowed info from Kirk
Well thank you for watching. Can't say the pronunciation of Toyota will be changing any time soon. Also. Whose Kirk?
I think the Miata does need a competitor. Even if the car is really ugly ( God it's sooo ugly) if it can give us what the miata gives, and in better prices, its gonna be interesting.
I maybe the only person who doesn't think it looks ugly lol. But I agree competition is needed
I agree that Miata needs a competitor -- one that offers a coup! I'm kinda thinking MAYBE settling for an ND RF, but man, I want some usability out of my car. I don't care about the convertible stuff. So it's a tough pill to swallow thinking that the whole convertible mechanism eats up the valuable storage space (in a car that doesn't even have a glovebox!) AND screws up rear visibility. In other words, a coup competitor to Miata would REALLLY kick Miata's ass.
Having said that, if that thing ends up looking like this, I'd rather deal with Miata's storage space and visibility compromise because I want my sports car to be satisfying to look at, and I consider Miata RF a gorgeous looking car.
SFR or Miata mk4? Neither, I'd much rather go with the Fiat 124 that's based on the mk4 Miata. Both current Miata and this new SFR, they just don't look good for me. SFR especially - it'd be fine if it was kei-sized, but a blob the size of an NC Miata? Yikes, no!
I don't blame you. Small amount of work and the fiats sound amazing
Fossil fuels are from vegetation, not dinosaurs. This car needs to be a mid engine MR2. Front engined cars are not cool and the SFR takes that a step beyond by being hideous. Mind you this is a 'concept car and a production version will be different. The 'Ford' Capri is a Mazda 323 made in Australia and was of course FWD.
Toyota as plans for a new mr2. This being something more miata ish makes sense.
And the dinosaur comment was a joke
Miata got social media stimulus of late but originally it did what it was suppose to and was affordable! In this post cash for clunkers and tik tok “car enthusiast” this car will rake people over the coals for novelty…I’m looking at you new Z car
It has a novelty sure. But is it preforms well it will be a different story. And i gotta say I'm already board of the Z
Miatas got very expensive nowadays. If Toyota give us a slightly larger and more powerful version of a new Suzuki Cappuccino, they'll crush the market and Mazda's competition. And the new Mx-5 will be surely more luxurious and expensive since it's based on the new RX platform and the fact that Mazda wants to upgrade its image to fight in the premium brands arena.
I think it will have a bit more of a punch than the cappuccino. But I get what's your saying.
That's too big of an if. Try finding a GR86 on a lot. GR Corollas were sold for many thousands of dollars over MSRP and were very hard to find at all. They have stepped up production on the GR Corolla, thankfully, but not the GR86.
Or It'll be another MR2 Spyder.
Not sure toyota could make a car that impractical now if they tried lol
They tried to compete with the MR-S and that didn't really work out. The MX-5 is still around but the MR-S ain't. Also the SFR is really ugly. That grill is somehow even worse than a BMW.
MRS is widely impractical and had no power. Light yes. But no power. Not shocking it failed. Fortunately this isn't that. And worse than a bmw? Them fightin words
@@metalheadcarshow769 Yes, the MR-S was impractical, but so is the MX-5 and probably the SFR too. A sports car isn't about practicality that's what hot hatches are for. One could even argue that even power isn't really a necessity for a sports car, look at the first generation Miata. What does sell a sports car is looks and handling. It seems like the SFR will be a great handling car and beauty is in the eye of the beholder so maybe there is a market for it. It would be awesome to have some competition in this segment but I fear the sales volume won't be there. I hope I'm wrong. We need more small RWD sports cars in this world.
not in america...
We shall see
@@metalheadcarshow769 there is also such a lack of information right now.
But under 30k price with GR Corolla engine?
I would buy one today.
Hahaha no it won't.
A 150hp 3 cylinder turbo will not have enough character to compete with the Miata. It would have to be half the price of a miata to take sales away. The one complaint about miatas in the US was not enough power. And finally at 190 people love the ND2/ND3. This car wont see US soil I'm sure.
150hp base model? As long as they can keep the weight down it will be a fine place to start. But yes it is a possible is may not come to North America. We shall see
@@metalheadcarshow769 If they make a GR version with 200hp I could see that being mildly interesting. Low weight costs money though. I think cheapness is key for this car to turn a profit for toyota. Not that they would struggle if they lost money!
That is one ugly car!
Oof, not much love for this
They should have named it Fugly because it is! No thanks!
Exactly, nobody is buying a fun car with no practicality whatsoever if it's ugly.
To each their own
Lack of practicality I'll give you that. As for the ugly part. Personally I don't agree. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I will say this looks way better than the bulk of bmw's being sold right now