Why did John Lennon largely ignore his first son Julian?
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2019
- Julian Lennon. John Charles Julian Lennon (born 8 April 1963) is an English musician and photographer, son of The Beatles member John Lennon and his first wife Cynthia.
John left his first wife Cynthia Powell for Yoko Ono and had little contact with his young son after the divorce in 1968.
Julian is the man that he is because of his mother. He has even called her his hero.
Sharon Jensen He said he doesn’t want children? I wonder why, exactly. Just because you don’t think your father was a very good parent doesn’t mean you won’t be. I also think that one realizes how difficult parenting can be when one has one’s own children. It might help him to understand his father a little bit more. Neither one of his sons has any kids. Dhani Harrison doesn’t have any either. I think it’s kind of a shame, really.
I like the Beatles. But there's way too much hero worship of John. He was human, he made mistakes. Get a grip people! Lol
True but, you have to remember when John divorced his mother and got with Yoko? It was because of the hard feelings with his first wife[ and I don't blame her] that Julian felt he deserted him because he wasn't around anymore as often.
Julian is in his fifties now? So if he doe's have children? He will be an older dad? Maybe because he was a victim of divorce? He doesn't consider it a priority.
I agree
Stop making excuses. He could have had Julian flown to New York to see him. Your kid is either a priority or not. Sad.
Or John could put aside his life, for once and go to visit his son. John knew that Julian loved him, despite everything, and he didn't know how to give it back.
ola cola Please stfu! What are you, a religious fanatic? Please take your pulpit elsewhere. Since you hate him so much, why are you even here watching this video?
ola cola Btw - He wasn’t ugly. I wonder what you look like.
Sharon Jensen Who made a prediction he’d be shot?
Sharon Jensen 😯 WOW! I never heard about that. Thanks for that info. It’s sad that he didn’t get more bodyguards as a result.
Can be a world activist but can't be a father to his own son.
This is not unusual . Jerry lewis , voltaire., michael jackson ..
Liberals care more about the masses because it supports their ego.
True
@Robert Klone what does politics have to do with anything? You have no idea how snobby and annoying people sound when they make absurd and irrelevant blanket statements about partisan groups.
@@jenjen.rutherford8559 Michael jackson?
I think George and Paul cared more about Julian than John ever did
John Lennon had no brothers, only sisters. Paul McCartney, Now Sir Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, now Sir Ringo Starr, and George Harrison were Julian Lennon's "Uncles".
@@michaelasquith John did have brothers. His father, before he died, had two children (but I have no idea if John even knew them)
@@Threeleebird, sorry, I did know some of John Lennon's family background, but only in newspapers. He has a brother, who looks like him, and he is called David Lennon. Thank you, for your kind reply. It means a lot to me. Thank you.
John only cared about the creature ono
I’m sure Yoko was behind it.
It’s a real shame - Julian is the kind of man any father would be proud to have as a son
Poor Julian, he had nothing of John’s & had to buy memorabilia from auctions. He said Paul was more of a father to him. R.I.P Cynthia
Julian Lennon is the man !!!
I agree but also he is twice the man his father was and I care not at all tha John Lennon could string tunes together on a guitar.
I hurt 4 Julian Lennon
@@davidwheeler1985 yes she is Evil
Ironic that Julian looks exactly like him.
Christine Derby tbh Julian looks more like his mom, if you compare a picture of Cynthia and Julian he has more of his moms facial features. Sean Lennon on the other hand has more of Johns facial features.
I think Julian is a mix of John and Cyn. It was also Cynthia herself who said she always thought Julian was identical to John, since he was born. I think it's a matter of perspective but since she is his mother, I will not contradict her. And about Sean, he is equal to Yoko, but in the male version, there is little resemblance to his father.
@Christine Derby - Truth.
Sounds a lot like him, too. And when I was watching that "my father was a hypocrite" interview, my thoughts were: He didn't inherit that sharp tongue from his mother. I commend Julian for finally making peace with his mostly dead-beat father, cherishing the few beautiful moments they shared with each other and for embracing Sean as a brother. Sean was the golden son, but Julian does not resent him for that, this shows that he has integrity.
He is the spit of him 🙂👍
NO, John’s Divorce with Cynthia was not complicated or difficult. She gave him everything he wanted and asked for nothing near what she was entitled too. What an Angel.
That, without counting, that he first demanded of Cynthia for adultery (unjustified and for many reasons he even knew, false) as he tries to take Julian's custody, even knowingly, that he was killing her by taking the child.
You must be an expert to know all these things. But what if Cynthia was no angel, but just stupid and masochistic, unable to protect her son against the cruelty of an immature father? What if Lennon was just tired of a woman sacrifice herself to keep her husband to herself this way and using her son as an constant accusation against him? What if the abuse of the child happened by Cynthia at least by 50% by using Julian as an emotional substitude for her absend husband so he had to bear a burden he was overhelmed with... but could never put his anger against her as she´s always been the poor victim and only caring parent? What if you jerks are just stupid? Just asking...
Wayne Schlegel , WOW! That’s an interesting story there mate. But a check in the history books by many many people who knew both parties would come a bit closer to my version. And no, I’m not.
@@sonnyburnett8725 Probably you´re right. These were just my own thoughts. I´m often suspicious when all the flies sit on the biggest pile.
Wayne Schlegel , well, John had the rest of his life to show his love for his first son Julian. Which in itself is very difficult to understand because as for me, if I had done that I’d had been heart broken for life. But that’s a personal opinion, but again I think most of us would. I love John Lennon but I’ll never forgive him for the way he abandoned Julian. AND in MY opinion, all because of Yoko. Really? .............. Peace my friend.
Imagine your dad very publicly leaves your mom for another woman, has a new child, and then writes the most beautiful song you've ever heard about how much they love that new child lmao I'd be SICK
Well, it's not the first time he did it. John gaslit, kicked and ghosting Pete Best from the band. John don't have problem leaving anyone behind.
I know.Johns complete lack of feelings towards Julian by writing that song was astounding 😢
What song was that?
@@Freeasabird699 beautiful boy
@@imsungjaesmelody.thesnorte5623 Thank you.
This was the only thing I hated about Lennon...ignoring Julian ... there was no reason for this at all...
There is more ugliness on the part of John Lennon. To get a "clean-cut" and easy divorce from Cynthia when he was already in relationship with Yoko, he attempted to frame Cynthia. He organized and dispatched a male whose role was effectively to hit on Cynthia and seduce her. John could then divorce her on grounds of infidelity. The trap didn't work, Cynthia wasn't interested.
You don't care that he hit women?
@@stinkypete7917 l agree. The fact that he was a woman beater makes him even more disgusting.
@@VideoFanatic02 Chris Brown beat his gf and Xxxtencian too.
Yeah, there was a reason. Think about it. It's an ugly fact.
Suddenly the fact Paul McCartney wrote Hey Jude about Julien makes a bit more sense.
Bruh, rip.
@Jared Jams Yoko has never had any talent. Without John nobody would know of her
@airashii 108 nooo...no. Paul wrote this song for Julian after John had left the family for Yoko Ono. In fact, the first draft for the name of the song was "Hey Jules".
@airashii 108 that myth actually comes from the idea that John thought Paul wrote the song for him. It's a super long story that involves Paul acting as Julian's father due to his mother hanging out with the Beatles before they got famous. Paul felt bad cutting them out like that and wrote a tune for Julian.
You don't have to believe me if you don't want, but this is the story Paul has offered in interview about this.
Whitey Powers he got jewed hard
There is no excuse for abandoning his son. His loss as Jullian seems to be a wonderful man. His mother did an amazing job
Paul was more or less playing the role of a supportive uncle in Julian’s life. That’s why he wrote the song ‘Hey Jude’ for Julian.
Oh wow, I never knew the song "Hey Jude" was about Julian! (Or that Paul was the one who had written it!) I've been going down a Beatles rabbit hole today and am learning so much stuff I never knew. Thanks for sharing that little tid bit! 💞
@@KelleyBroussardMackaig are you kidding?! :D Watch the tv series 'The Beatles Anthology' (8 episodes), where Paul tells the story of creating Hey Jude.
@@KelleyBroussardMackaig how could you not know that, even my dogs know it, Paul was more responsabile for a kid that wasn't even his while his father went running after the witch
Paul helped Julian financially to buy some items of John’s that Yoko had put up for public auction.
Paul McCartney seemed to be more of a father figure for Julian Lennon, McCartney even wrote "Hay Jude" for him after Julian was suffering from divorce!
Actually Julian had a step father? The man his mother married after the divorce?
Yeah! Paul is and, always has been a cool guy? Maybe be if John would have let Paul's father in law run Apple instead of Allen Kline who turned out to be a crook? Things may have been different?
@Zen-chan Stop starting fucking arguments
Paul's just too good. I remember reading my first articles about The Beatles, they were blaming Paul for the band's break up, but now I can see that he's the best of the bunch, what a sweet man.
Paul Rodriguez Keith Richards advised John not to hire Alan Klein but stubborn guy that he was and not wanting to listen to Paul he did it
Correction - John's divorce with Cynthia was not messy. She could have taken him for half of everything he had but chose not to. She only wanted to provide for her son and his education and received very little payment, even having to work for a living the rest of her life. RIP Cynthia.
May I correct myself. She only wanted to provide for THEIR son.
It’s sad how he treated his son💔
@Barbara Gentile - Well said.
Sounds like that she was too nice to John. But I feel that she was thinking of Julian and didn't want him to go through anymore then what he was already going through.
It was nice and clean. According to Peter Brown's book 'The Love You Make,' Lennon put 'Magic Alex' up to seducing Cynthia, who then turned around and said he'd, get this, sue her for divorce on account of infidelity if she didn't settle on his terms. Makes John even more of a bastard, imo.
Summary: Lennon's personal life was a mess. Julian was lucky to have such a stable, loving mother.
The bottom line is the bottom line. He didn't support them. Yoko had control of the money and answered all the phonecalls. John let her take that control. One quote from Cynthia is that "John married his Aunt Mimi."
It was only a mess once Yoko showed up on the scene.
So sad but John’s loss. I met Julian a couple times when I worked in the record business. Had a huge crush on him. Loved his music when he first came on the scene and still do. He just keeps getting better. He’s so talented, love his voice too. Glad he’s forgiven his father though as it would have only eaten away at him and it’s not good for one’s soul. Love “Everything Changes”! Such a great song. “Sunday Morning” too. In face I just played them both tonight in my car, with my daughter and grandson coming back from shopping. Love you Julian!
Cynthia was so much more of a decent woman than johns choice of yoko even may pang was decent enough to encourage John to know his son Julian unlike selfish yoko who wanted everything for herself
chucky1time, it appears that both John and Cynthia had a narcissistic personality. John albeit talented, and I am a fan of his creativity and wit, was a borderline psychopath too.
Teresa Olszanka no doubt a lot of famous people are a total mess in real life
Teresa Olszanka you mean John and YOKO, right??? There was not a narcissistic bone in Cynthia’s body!
@@teresaolszanka112 "Cynthia was a narcissistic person" Evidence? Arguments? Some kind of context? No? Don't say stupid things then.
@@Threeleebird ?? And you've been a personal friend of Cynthia??
Juilan is a wonderful person, bless you Juilan!!
@Ghostt Girl Ghostt Spook - Well said.
eh, he is not approachable unless you have a white feather.
Thanks to his mum
You see a 5 min clip and think you know him. Please.
@@karendalsadik7119 A white feather? What do you mean?
Ironic how John suffered from not having a father figure in his youth being an unwanted child and ended up making the same mistake his father did.
John had a father figure. Aunt Mimi's husband. He loved John like he was his as he and Mimi never had any children. Mimi even said she was a little jealous of their relationship and that she had to be the heavy whereas her husband would allow John to do anything he wanted.
I agree, it's ironic. But, people making the same mistakes as their parents is actually pretty common. John wasn't right to do that to his son and I won't let those details slip my mind, but people do bad things because those bad things happened them.
Why I've tried so hard to understand John's reasoning behind his continued absence in Julian's life, it still continues to break my heart how that affected Julian and what could have been between them had he never tragically been taking away.
John is fatherless since he's growing. As a person who'd experience that, he should've been a better father cause he knows what's the feeling of growing up without one. But being a jerk that he was, he abandoned them. I admire his music and him being a legend but how can he talk about peace when he cant even make peace inside his family
Aunt Mimi gave Lennon a solid middle class up bringing. Never went without, whatever he needed she gave him. Including his first guitar. Paid for his art college fees etc. He never knew poverty. Working class hero my 🍑!
Eigsha Ji. Did it never occur to you that simply because John grew without a present dad, that he did not feel he could be a dad and so ran away ?
He was simply too immature and lacking the confidence to be a dad for Julian.
An older more mature John was able to be a great dad for Sean.
@@thenowchurch6419 and does it occur to you that even when he's old he never did reached out to jullian when he was with yoko? Only that time when mey fang asks him to act as a father to jillian too.
@@eigshaji4174 Congrats on being a mind reader who can tell that John would not have reached out, if not for May Pang !
Anyway, he did reach out and Julian appreciated it and he has turned out great.
@@eigshaji4174 You have a good head on your shoulders and your heart is in the right place. Everything that you've said is true.
Cynthia was a class act. Yoko on the other hand was not like that.
Yoko was a typical cheat? She fell in love with John and basically dumped her husband and child? So you do have a point?
@Sharon Jensen I doubt it? Maybe just out of curiosity? I agree with you on the title? Total B.S
@@paulrodriguez8852 I did not know that. Soo, Sean has another Half-sibling somewhere??? wow!!
lol wtf?! r you high?
When John took that hiatus from yoko and was with pang he started hanging out with his kid again and with Paul. There’s your answer.That’s all you really need to know.
Julian seems to be a fine young man! A big thank you to Sir Paul for stepping up for Julian.
"It was said I never loved Cyn. That's far from the truth. We were young, bigheaded, and got into a physical relationship too soon. Perhaps if we took things slow, we would have made it. I know we would have made it." -John (1974)
I truly believe Cynthia was the true love of his life. He'd write letters to her saying how much he adored her and said in one letter "you are wonderful, I adore you, I want you, I love you, I need you, don't go". She made him very happy. After Yoko and drugs got in the way of their marriage, John changed completely for the worst. In the quote above, John truly thought he and Cynthia could've still been together if they just did things differently. To me, that tells me he never stopped loving her or atleast always cared about her. It's sad he couldn't see that Cynthia truly loved him and Yoko only wanted him for his money and her own fame. If this wasn't true, why did she go after Paul first but he turned her down. Why did she sign an agreement for her husband Tony Cox that anything she could get from John, she'd give half to her husband? Why did she send letters to John while still with Cynthia threatening him saying if he didn't support her art she would kill herself?
I think that the reason he seemed so cold about Cynthia after the divorce is because Yoko was around. I've noticed that when with Yoko he hardly spoke about Cynthia and was awful if he did, but when he wasn't with yoko during his 18 month 'lost weekend' period, he seemed to speak more of her and was so nice about her, but when he was back with Yoko he reverted to talking horribly about her again. Such as saying the only reason Julian was conceived was because he was drunk and that surely hurt Cynthia.
Cynthia said herself they couldn't afford to get drunk most of the time because of how little money they had and said Julian was purely made out of love. Yes, unplanned but from two people who loved eachother. If he didn't, why would John write Cynthia a ton of letters declaring his love for her? Honestly I just think he spoke shit about Cynthia just because it was what Yoko wanted to hear. Cynthia was 100% the better woman because she never said anything nasty about John or Yoko, while yoko was hell bent on keeping John away from Cynthia and Julian.
Chantelle Adlington I agree with everything you said. Cynthia loved him unconditionally when he had nothing. He obviously loved her bc Pete Best said when he & John were in Hamburg, they would often go out for a drink by themselves & John would tell Pete that he missed Cynthia. It’s true that Yoko tried to seduce Paul first. She was obviously trying to get any Beatle she can. She stalked John & would show up at his & Cynthia’s home. And even had sex with him in the home while Cynthia was on holiday. She lured John with drugs. She is a gold digger & an opportunist. I’m not surprised she promised her husband half of John’s fortune. It was what she set out to do & accomplished. John was a fool to trust that conniving witch.
I absolutely agree with everything you said.
That’s what makes John’s death so sad. He fucked up and if he wasn’t shot, he could of have had a long life like Paul and Ringo to fix his past and connect with Julian and Cynthia, but “life is what happens when you are busy making other plans”
Cynthia expected John to act like an adult but John had never recovered from losing his Mother twice, when she left and came back and was killed by a car. He named his son after his Mother, Julia.Yoko saw that vulnerability and used it to her advantage. Emotionally John never left his teenage years. Yoko was the worst kind of opportunist.
@@AwesomeGodinez if he wasn't shot he would have carried on being a selfish man . The life that happens and the plans should involve your children .
How can a man turn his back on his children?
Especially one that is the spitting image of him.
"cecil williams' probably the overall majority of men do it. Most people have kids they never planned.
my parents did ..some people are just shitty
Sadly the majority of people I know have been outright abandoned by their fathers, or had them be not-so-present in their lives (like I have, only getting to see my dad during weekends and holidays) and honestly, in my eyes mothers like Cyn, like mine, mothers that take care of everything on their own are full-on SAINTS
BECAUSE HE WAS AN ASSHOLE WHO FELL IN LOVE WITH A VERY, VERY CRAZY JAPANESE GIRL. JOHN ALSO HAD SOME SERIOUS MENTAL ISSUES, WHICH MADE THEM A PERFECT PAIR.
John’s treatment of Julian tells you everything you need to know about the man.
Yet it was Sir Paul who was inspired by Julien to write Hey Jude. Jules is pure class. What a great hardworking mum she was.
He should not have treated his first wife and son do appallingly absolutely wrong
but he did, no matter what you think he should
I agree does everyone thinks what he did was wrong simple is that just showed that he was a git
@@glenngibbs1267 And what are you?
I DONNOT CARE FOR YOKO. If a woman loves a man, truly loves him, then she will love every part of him,including kids from past relationships. I think she’s a phoney. Shame on John,too. He allowed it. I love his music but I’ve lost respect for him as a man. He wasn’t looking for a lover but a mommy. That’s the sad truth 💯
well said!
I have often thought that as well.
And the way Yoko has treated Julian is beneath contempt. After John's death, Yoko totally ignored him and saw to it that he got absolute zero from John's estate, that everything went to Sean.
Totally on-point... and so true... I was troubled, sad and angry at what happened to John under the influence of Yoko Ono...
I always felt Yoko was a manipulator. That whole business with her encouraging John to go with May Pang was strange and very controlling.
I’m not saying John is blameless, for from it, he shirked his most basic responsibilities. He was a cruel person.
I feel Julian's pain. I have been rejected by my father too. He too died before we could sort it out.
I am sorry for your pain and loss
@@doomvictor3934 thank you
Julian in more recent times has admitted that he felt bad when John stopped the music to be with Sean all the time, but also came to understand that he could not have done the same for him as they, the Beatles, were just starting. which by the end of this video these sentiments are stated...I think Julian's thoughts on this just show him to be the remarkable human being that he is!
"I've never really wanted to know the truth about how dad was with me. There was some very negative stuff talked about me ... like when he said I'd come out of a whisky bottle on a Saturday night. Stuff like that. You think, where's the love in that? Paul and I used to hang about quite a bit ... more than Dad and I did. We had a great friendship going and there seems to be far more pictures of me and Paul playing together at that age than there are pictures of me and my dad" ... Julian Lennon
What a mindless insensitive thing to say about your child "you came out of a whiskey bottle". This speaks volumes of John Lennon's true self. Cold-hearted and very unattractive personality
Yes I remember this quote from Julian about how Paul spent more time playing with him that his own father did. And we all know how the song Hey Jude came about. It's so unutterably sad what happened to Julian and to think Yoko gave him nothing when John passed away - what a fiend! Then again, John should have made sure that Julian would have been taken care of in the event of his demise.
As cynical and acerbic as John was, he was incredibly weak and he let Yoko lead him around by the nose - that May Pang was able to encourage John to spend time with Julian when she was in a relationship with him, is evidence of both his malleability and of Yoko's cunning and selfishness.
Pics of Julian and Paul always warm my heart - Paul seems to have had a truly caring relationship with him :)
Such a sad thing to say. John should be ashamed of himself. Julian seems to be a very decent person thanks to Cynthia.
And contrast Paul McCartney's intensely loving relationship with his children, and with Linda Eastman's first child, whom he adopted.
All the things I've read about John Lennon doesn't add up to the peace-loving hippy that him and Ono put out there. In fact, quite the opposite but to this day people still hold him in such high regard. All hype.
Lennon, actually admitted that in one of his last interviews "That is why I am always on about peace, you see. It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything’s the opposite. But I sincerely believe in love and peace." He was a man who lost his mother at 17, killed tragically by a drunk off duty police officer. His father left him at an early age.
He became a very bitter man, who became very attached to Stuart Sutcliffe and of course Paul Mccartney.
Then the Beatles fame was destructive combined later with drugs, such as LSD etc. I believe, Yoko was an escape he chose, but a negative influence on him no doubt.
Hype for the sake of appropriate IMAGE for the times.
Held in high regard for talent, yes, but also for being murdered violently. JFK same thing. Lennon didn’t ask for being held in high regard, nor did he ask to be murdered. Analyze the art, let’s stop with the character assasinations, like we “ know “ someone. If you really want a sense of the man, ask someone who knew him, like Paul or Ringo. It’s a mixed bag...kind of like all of us.
@@davidbuckles3018 True. Plus as it often happens when one is involved in higher causes, the family tends to be neglected. Lennon was and it was't for show. I still remember his movie "How I won the war", a very accurate picture of how and why many wars are possible
@@xblackcatx1312 there's a bit of comment on your fascism
I feel bad for Jules and how he had to grow up in this hard childhood. Bless him 💜
I think this story of how Julian found ways to forgive John for straining their relationship could be an inspiration for a lot of people.
you can say you forgive someone truth is that the scars remain and won't go away
John wasn’t stuck in the United States. He chose to stay and be a political pain in the ass. Julien deserves a real father and John didn’t care.
All John did, was sing about peace. In other words he was anti war just like Dylan, country joe, Joan Baez, joni Mitchell and a lot more of the 60s era singer, songwriter. It's almost Lennon had a target on his back.
TAT S John needed to practice what he preached in his songs/lyrics having ties with the Black Panthers isn’t acting peacefully
@@cherriberri7161 John was actively a variety of racial political causes. Anti war, African American rights, feminism, native Americans. And as far as black Panthers he supported was the 10 point program and their faith in self defense the Panthers were criminalized & patronized by the white establishment. He wrote a song for Angela Davis a member of the black Panthers. He wrote a song for co founder of the white panthers John Sinclair he was friends with. Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin. Nixon and Hoover seen him as a threat and they wanted him deported because he sang what he preach....
@@tats5880 It wasn't his country and it was none of his business.
@@CathieSoli most of the peace loving hippies, back in those days were seeking Lennon for whatever movements they were protesting against. Like John Sinclair, who got 10 years for having 2 joints. After asking Lennon to perform a concert 3days later Sinclair was released. Also get your head out of your ass lady, in July of 76 Lennon got his green card And was going to be able for his citizenship in 81 but as we all no a piece of shit shot him in 1980
Sounds like John's girlfriend when he was separated from Yoko was a much more considerate and sharing person than Yoko's stingy, self-centered, self-serving bum could ever have been. Yoko is still that way.
She's the spoiled daughter of a rich Japanese banking family.
Massive fan since late 70s, only 13 when John died and was really upset. Music-wise a real talent. Having said that, as a person he was so weak. Yoko was a control freak, which also spilled over into his solo work too (check out the superior 'Cheap Trick' version of 'I'm Losing You', rejected after Yoko put her five eggs in!) When Lennon and Ono split and he went May Pang crazy, look at the creativity! Walls and Bridges, a breath of fresh air. He also took Julian for a while when absent from Yoko. But back together, Julian's out again and his 'non-Yoko' L.P. gets dismissed by its creator. Like I said, great musician, but could have seriously learnt from Macca about family!
Tiki’s influence on him us overstated. A real man can not be kept from his child. Not for a woman, not for anyone.
people ask Julian really intrusive questions. I imagine he must get tired of people asking about his relationship with his father and feeling sorry for him.
Julian was an unplanned child -- as were most children at that time. I was an unplanned child, too. Indeed, John said that Julian came out of a bottle of whisky. Wrong, he came out of the body of a woman because you ejaculated inside her. John and Cynthia chose to have a sexual relationship, they chose to keep the child (John never urged her to get an abortion, to his credit) and they chose to marry. Choices have consequences. John chose to be a father and a husband, but he neglected his son and was abusive to both his wife and his son. That was because he was a jerk and not because Julian was unplanned. Ideally, you should plan your family, but you can love an unplanned child just like a planned child, if you want to. John had issues and fame and drugs aggravated them. Yoko was able to cope with it, she simply avoided John when she couldn't stand his antics, she slept in her office, often for weeks. John and Yoko didn't have a fairytale marriage, either.
Exactly!
Right, and Yoko was just as cold-hearted and self-centered as John, because she encouraged him to cut Julian completely out of his life. She cared nothing for children.
I think you mis-understood that he came out of a bottle of whisky . John said "you were the PRODUCT of a bottle of whisky". As an Englishman I understand what he means. He means he got drunk and was careless about birth control. My own father told me I was the extra pint of Guinness...thats how I was created because my dad was drunk.. It's a horrible thing to be told .
@@gpo746 It is a horrible thing to be told! but it reflects totally on them, and not at all on you!
@@gpo746 I got it, too. I wrote that comment to "remind" Lennon, if he was alive and here today, that he cannot blame the whisky. He was certainly not drunk each and every time he had sex with Cynthia. Cynthia said that they never used any kind of contraception and that, in retrospect, she was surprised they got away with it for so long. Unprotected sex for over a year without any consequences...eventually, what was likely to happen did happen. Anyway, I think parents shouldn't say such things. Julian was still a teenager when John did that interview, and it's not very nice to read that your father thinks you were conceived through drunken sex. I know my parents didn't plan to have me, but I prefer to think that they were just madly in love.
How can you neglect someone that looks just like you. Especially being your son.
I bet Lennon will reincarnate just to explain this to you
I never liked Yoko Ono horrible woman
Probably because he wasn't happy with himself deep down inside
Looks like John's adultery was problematic - imagine that.
This thing had me nearly in tears. I hope Julian is prosperous and doing well. He looks just like his Father but he's definitely got his Mother's unique and true characteristics of being in alot of ways very strong, but very gentle.
Julian strikes me as a very sweet natured and fair minded person just like his Mother Cynthia ,neither were greedy or vindictive and bitter. I respect them both.
Unfortunately it has affected Julian. He didnt have a normal childhood like his father. Julian said he probably wont be a father cause he doesn’t know how. I believe that they would have a been closer with him as an adult. Unfortunately there are regrets, hurt, anger and sadness in many families and very often it continues to affect many generations if there is no break in the chain
I think it's a definite possibility that they would have made up eventually, like Kyoko and Yoko did. Kyoko severed all ties with Yoko, no doubt for a reason, but eventually reached out to her.
Kyoto didn’t try to find yoko because she said that she was afraid that she would have her father arrested. Yoko said that she wouldnt have done that. I heard it in a video of her talking about the subject. Even Yoko stated that her ex husband took more care of her daughter than she did. She was always putting on shows of her art and then John Lennon. She was raised by nannies. Her parents were wealthy bankers who didnt nurture her so i guess that is why she also allowed John to raise Sean.She actually stopped looking for her cause she felt she knew where her mother lived and if she wanted to get in touch she would. But she was very traumatized by the absence of her daughter.
@@donnasmith8742 I suspect that she didn't realize how much she cared for Kyoko until she was gone. Just speculation, of course. I read in a book about either John Lennon or the Beatles on the whole (I forgot, I read so many) that Yoko's mother taught her to love fine furs and pearls, but was emotionally cold on all other levels. That sent shivers down my spine. Then the internet age came about, and before Google was even a household name (I used Altavista) I tried to find out what happened to Kyoko, May Pang and others. No results, but eventually they emerged from obscurity.
Donna Smith Julian would be a good father because he learned what not to do from John.
@@jojorey6886 Interesting perspective. My paternal grandfather used corporal punishment excessively, especially on my father, the oldest, independent-minded son. When my father was caned, he had to count the "licks", and when his father went on hitting him after "Ten!" he knew that he would have to count at least till twenty. He then resolved that he would not use corporal punishment on his own children.
I lived through the 60's and followed everything Beatles. After all these years, it is my opinion that John (my favorite) was a fairly troubled individual. Those "Julian" growing up years occurred exactly during the years that John was so caught up in being John the Beatle. At that time, John wasn't capable of understanding the full extent of his parental obligations. What troubles me the most was that Cynthia and Julian had to FIGHT tooth and nail just to get enough money to protect themselves somewhat from the public and press. John could have easily provided for Cyn and Julian with the flick of a pen, but didn't. He left it up to Yoko, who finally eeked out a few shillings. Too bad. Bad karma too!
''At that time, John wasn't capable of understanding the full extent of his parental obligations.'' How about he understood, he just ignored them for the better, more exciting things going on at the time.
Yeah karma bite him hard in the ass.
Cynthia was put in a flat, initially. She had to haul Julian in a pushchair and carry her shopping too, up two flights of stairs. It was a far cry from how John was living. When Julian was born, John, with Brian Epstein, visited her in hospital and told Cynthia that he was going on holiday with Brian and off he went. He’d wanted love, sex and loyalty from Cynthia for years but when she and Julian became inconvenient to him, he seemed to have no feelings at all.
John left his wife and son - inexcusable
John simply wasn't a very nice person. Poor father.
Maybe if john didn't get mixed up with Yoko and stayed with Cynthia John might've been a proper father to julien he'll never know
Agree. His other girlfriend, May Pang encouraged and insisted that John reconnects and maintains a relationship with his son and with Cynthia.
@@teresaolszanka112 I liked her.
@@zlopez-steele3362 I can understand. She looks interesting. I liked her too until the way she treated Julian, and her effectively discouraging John from having contact with his son came to light. Causing Julian to be abandoned by his father. Then hogging all of John's money. It shows she is a mean spirited, greedy woman.
@@teresaolszanka112 I think Z Lopez-steele meant May Pang was likeable (unlike Yoko Ono).
@@dollcefina OK. I see. Thank you:)
Imagine buying you’re dad’s belongings with money that was rightfully his...the way the lad was treated by his father was shocking but leaving him out of the will was cruel...yoko and Shaun should’ve put that right...money makes cruelty out of people 🙁
Honestly when John wrote that song about Sean beautiful boy, that would have made me very sad if I was in Julian's shoes
Paul was more of a father to Julian then John was.
he was conceived just before Beatle Mania
Indeed, Julian was already born when the Beatles skyrocketed to fame, that's why Cynthia and Julian were initially kept a secret so girls would think they could marry John. Completely utopian, but fan comes from fanatic -- such behavior exists.
@Luigi Cornielles I didn't know that! Yes, it could be true! With the Beatles, usually the guy who wrote the bulk of the song was the one who got to sing it - but here, it was written by Lennon-McCartney, yet sung by George who didn't write it. "I've known the secret for a week or two. Nobody knows, just we two ..." Wow.
@Sharon Jensen I didn't claim otherwise.
Lennon was a bastard to Julian.
Luckily he had a sweet mother who raised him very good. Julian is a very well mannered man.
Poor Julian. 😭 He was so cute and kind.
Still Is love you Julian ❤️
In my opinion yoko ono had John 'brainwashed'.
Not an opinion, but a cold hard fact.
@DRG What's the truth? - The beauty of addiction.
No doubt, but he did plenty of awful things long before meeting her.
DRG What's the truth? , I feel they simply fell in love. They couldn't help it.
He was a grown man and an asshole.
Surely he could have paid for his son to visit him in the US?
For John Lennon, he was in a tough position. For many women they can't accept another man's children because they represent another life she wasn't involved in. He was in a position to choose between Yoko and Julian. I think there relationship would have been better in adulthood. I also doubt John and Yoko would have even stayed married. We never get to find out.
Imagine how much hypocrisy someone has to have to be remembered as an icon of peace but your own child can't remember you saying "I love you"
I used to get shouted at a lot, and Dad would yell at me for laughing too much. Like, ‘Be quiet, Sean’s sleeping.’ All sorts of strange things... I was a bit jealous, but I never said anything.”
Julian, 1985
"I went to Dakota, and this is a relatively big room, but there is one with similar size and it would just be filled with toys and climbing things and cuddly, you know, you name it. Sean had it. And I just went, 'Hmm. I see. I see where the love's going with this,' you know. And there is Mum and I scraping by, you know, and I just thought, 'Thanks. Thanks.' No, I didn't tell him that. Of course not. Especially then, because I was, you know, afraid of him at that point in time, you know. You know, I'd witnessed his tempers at an early age. I certainly didn't want the wrath of Lennon coming down on me at that age, you know. I was just trying to get to know the guy. Julian, 1999
He was teaching me how to cut and eat steak, which was a mystery to me at age 4; how to stick the fork in and cut behind it, and that was how you got a piece in your mouth. I think it was that night when he got very upset with me, I think because of something I did very cheekily with the steak. He did wind up yelling at me very, very loudly to the point where he damaged my ear, and I had to go to the hospital. I remember when I was lying on the floor and hurting, and him holding me and saying, ‘I’m so sorry.’ He did have a temper.” Sean
It’s very hard to be abandon and then be replaced.
John spent more attention on Kyoko, Yoko's daughter by her first marriage, than his own son.
And!
Julian is a spitting image of his father. It's amazing 💕
Y'all just gonna ignore the fact that"Hey Jude" was actually "Hey Jules" something John referred to Julian as. Paul decided to change it to Jude so no one would know or was really"Jules". Not in a sly, evil way, but because he felt it would be better. Not like some of the money hungry producers today, but just because he felt it for the song better. He thought it sounded better.
Paul probably showed Julian more affection than his own father.
And in his kindness, he didn't want to embarrass Julian.
because in real life he was a jerk?
Pretty much.
BIG TIME!!!
Yup. He was a prick and a poser and a womanizer. He was a wonderful musician though. But unfortunately, he was a prick.
No one has any empathy for him, he didnt have an easy childhood either, this shit happened 50 years ago and people still treat him like hes worst than Hitler.
Cliff springer
What I can say is that he’s a person. He did a lot of good on top of bad. His messages of peace are still important, and he did try to be a father figure as much as he can with Sean. He did have more his towards Sean, which is bad, but he also tried to keep in touch with Julian with letters. It was bad,
and unforgivable that he left him, but he did try to contact him again.
He had a temper and beat Cynthia, and such, but he apologized and promised to never do it again (which Cynthia confirmed).
He’s a human being, he’s done really bad, but he’s done good. He’s not worse or close to Hitler or a lot of bad people that’s for sure.
Yoko sang about love and coexistence alongside John, but she couldn't coexist with Julian. And John should've never tolerated a woman who would scorn his child in such a way. He chose his new wife over his own son. Neither of them are saintly by any means.
I agree. If I got involved with a man who had a child, I would include that child in our lives as much as I could. I would welcome him/her with open arms.
That's why I believe that when you choose a partner, but you have a child, you must create a balance, a way to balance both relationships in your life. Always remembering, no matter how in love you are, that relationships come and go, but children don't, because they are forever, they belong to you and you belong to them (not in a sense of possession but of what they are part of each other ).
@@VideoFanatic02 She abandoned her own daughter, too. Left her behind in Japan while she cavorted with the still-married Lennon.
Because she's a typical asian lady interested in money
I give his mother most of the credit helping Julian become the sensible man he is. He has a good relationship with his brother. Yoko on the other hand has not been nice to Julian....what a shock!
John was the father who made the decision to not take care of HIS son. Yoko had nothing to do with this.
@@JaIch9999 do you know that Yoko mistreated Julian when he went to stay in NY for vacations?Cynthia had to called Yoko in regard of that matter.
When your fathers friend cares more for you then your own father
You never really heal from a separation like that the pain always is there! You can forgive and go on but yeah...
That's what I call
"A Bad Dad"
And a wicked step-mother.
@@ejammy1906 So John Lennon was not adult and responsible? Yoko Ono was no step-mother. Julian was with his mother.
The jerk was John Lennon
Omg my parents named me Julian cause of John’s Son and this vid about him was published on my Birthday! What the heck!
It's not a child's fault on how they were conceived, or the circumstances at the time. How many children today can say they were born out of a bottle at a wild party on a Saturday night. Plenty. But a great deal of them, not all of them, were still shown that they were loved and wanted. It's a human life, still your child. My heart goes out to Cynthia, and Julian. She was a fantastic mother, and he a great son. God Bless Them both.
Julian was thankfully the product of his mother’s love and best attributes. For that, he is fortunate.
John Lennon never had that and so he was always seeking love. He thought found that in Yoko. Unfortunately,
she was incapable of the true kind of love that requires your own self-sacrifice as it related to Sean and his father.
It would be very interesting to know how Yoko was raised.
On the one hand, I believe celebrities are there to entertain us. Nothing more. On the other hand I can't bear to see any child suffer whether it's watching their mother abused or just plain being neglected by a parent.
Well there's a whole Heck a lot of that nowa days. People neglecting there kids because of drugs. Meth especially. Come on, and those people know exactly what they're getting into with that wicked drug when they start it up. I can't listen to any excuses from them. It been available for use for so long now.
Julian became the peace loving man who works to aid others John professed to be
Numerous dads put their career ahead of the family. So glad Julian was able to make it through. Happy 60th Birthday
"Behind the control"...I think it was immaturity and lack of responsability.
YOKO HAD JOHN LENNON HYPNOTIZED HE DID EVERYTHING SHE WANTED HIM TO DO INCLUDED IGNORING JULIAN LENNON,AND CYNTHIA LENNON
@@neitajames6029 I AGREE 100%
@@neitajames6029 are you guys forgetting John beat the devil out of Cynthia and Yoko?
@Sharon Jensen you´re a really bright person
Sean was the product of love
Julian was the product of a bottle of whiskey
That hurts so much
Poor Jules .
That's so wrong of John to say that.
What you said about Julian was not completely true John spent sometimes with Julian by actually being there for him occasionally
The thing that makes me mad is that John was deserted by his mom and Dad. It hurt him so much. Why in the world would he hurt Julien like he was hurt? Julien is wonderful. Absolutely John's loss. What really makes me so sad is Julien loves his father so much. Hope he can find peace .
A few mistakes here. Julian was conceived and born at the start of Beatlemania in the UK only, not at the height. The height of Beatlemania would have been 64 and 65. Julian was born only a few weeks after their debut album Please Please Me which went unnoticed in the US and around the world. Lennon actually met Ono in 1966 at an art exhibition in London. They consummated their relationship in 1968 which of course is when Lennon and Cynthia split and later divorced. We can see Cynthia in the photos with the Beatles in India in the earlier part of the year. Lennon and Yoko didn't leave for the US until 1971 not 1970. Remember he recorded and produced the 1971 Imagine album at his own Ascot studios in England.
So?? Do these details change the essence of this story??
ummm cynthia discovered thea ffair after coming home and finding yoko in her kitchen drinking t in her bathrobe with John. Please. these are some shitty people
@@teresaolszanka112 Yes, because they convey incorrect information. With the half-assed school of mentality it might not matter, but that's because the person might not care about correct facts. But if this was shown on television as a documentary or if the information was in a newspaper, book, or magazine, it would lose credibility with 3 major errors in a short piece. Why would anyone take anything else seriously they produced. They might say Paul was born in 1944 and was the only lefty in the band. The impression it leaves is someone not knowing the material they're covering, and so when people pick up on that vibe they won't take further projects seriously and so move on. Hopefully they're not some snowflake coddled by other concerned viewers and take some constructive criticism. It's to their benefit because I'm sure they wish to make money on these videos in the future.
John wasn’t emotionally mature enough to know you must spend time with your kids love them all the time that you are with them. don’t let any new person who comes into your life control you. Kids are precious and should be treated as such when they are so young. Julian certainly turned out fine.
He was “emotionally mature” enough for Sean.
@@vgr112261 he was also over a decade older
Wow!!! That was beautifully put together. I have created a Playlist on their story, and this little video sums it up nicely - thanks.
How any father does this to his child will always be beyond my understanding, fame or not.
Happens a lot to rock stars. I’m sure that if John had lived he would have mended the relationship.
Never knew about May Pang until this vid
So glad that May was nice enough to encourage John to spend time with Julian, it's so wrong to neglect your children, how painful for the child! That's why it makes a difference who yr with...seeing John couldn't see right from wrong then to have Yoko encouraging them apart was so wrong.
I love Julian's voice
Cynthia was an amazing woman and mother. I think she gave john all the love she could, but was still hurt by how much he made her suffer with the cheating. That's so sad to say Julian was the product of a whiskey bottle. Yoko was a terrible stepmother, but May Pang would have made a better one for Julian, she actually told john to see him. That's a real kind heart woman for the time like many hippies should have been, unlike Yoko. I wish he wasn't killed to have been able to know Julian more, that part got me when he expressed wanting a better relationship with his son. Julian and sean are close now.
Tragic that John Lennon fought with such vigour to reside in the US.
Only to be assinated there..
Julian Lennon you are your own person.
Remember that john , was on the socislist and comunism thing at that time , look he was dressed sometimes like che guevara , that political way of thinking , its not good to usa , and the rest of the world
I felt like crying but I was too focused to cry. It’s like, if John was still alive would he actually make a change? Props to Cynthia for caring in Julian, she is everyone’s hero in this story
Julian looks just like his dad. No matter what a father needs to be in there child’s life.
This is why George was my favorite beatle
George’s treatment of Patti was awful. He carried in with Ringo’s wife Maureen, in George and Patti’s home. Maureen, to Patti, “ Tough !”. That’s just one, example.
Dont make excuses for him....paul almost acted like more of father to julian, and he had all the same circumstances as john. John was just a selfish narcissist. It is what it is, still love his music
He seems to be the kind of man people imagine his father to be but wasn’t.
ngl he legit sounds like john
I know John wasn't the best father to Julian but towards the end of his life, he finally realised he had to step up and be the father Julian needed.
John realised towards the end of his life he had been a terrible father to Julian and was really trying to bond with his son. He began phoning him more often (he actually played the whole Double Fantasy album to Julian down the phone before it was released and wanted Julian's opinion and thoughts on it), for his 17th birthday he wanted to give the gift of a painting of the two of them. Near his death he told Julian to look out for a white feather whenever he would pass away and Julian would know his dad is fine and he's looking out for him. Julian was presented with a white feather by a tribe and he believes it really was a sign from his father like John said all those years ago, so Julian created a charity and called it the white feather foundation.
Also, John was writing diaries in the mid 70s onwards and he told his personal assistant Fred Seaman in Bermuda 1980 that if anything was to happen to himself in the near future then he'd want Julian to have his diaries as he felt they could help Julian get to know his father better and John felt Julian deserved to know more about him. When John did die, Fred tried taking the diaries back to England to give them to Julian as John wanted but Yoko got him arrested for stealing property and Yoko got them back. Julian has never seen those diaries, even though it was what John wanted. A quote from John in 1980 is: "I hadn't seen my first son grow up and now here's a 17 year old man on thd phone talking about motorbikes. I was not there for his childhood at all. I was on tour, I don't know how the game works, but there's a price to pay for innattention to childen. And if I don't give him attention from zero to five, then i'm damn well gonna have to give it to him from sixteen to twenty, because it's owed. It's like the law of the universe."
Also, Julian said in 1988 in an interview for a documentary called Imagine about John he said "There was no wall facing us anymore, but it had been knocked down and we could actually (pretends to be on the phone) 'hi dad I'd like to come and see you is that okay?' 'Yeah'. It's hard to explain emotions in dealing with that situation especially when we were getting so close."
It's tragic that Julian lost his father twice, just when they were finally becoming closer, especially when John was planning to go back to England the same month he died to be with his family and see more of Julian.
Then why he didn't leave Julian anything in his will?? Julian left alone with nothing. He even had to buy his father's memmorabilia throgh auctions with the help of Paul.
Loving parents make sure to give equal love to their children as well of everything else.All in equal parts
John should have thought about that when he was alive,if he didn't do it,was because of Yoko.
It was Yoko who sold John memorabilia rather than to give it to Julian.
@@glamsky3257 Sean was left out of the will as well. I found a transcript of it and everything went 100% to Yoko with no mention of either half-brother
All during Paul's career with Wings his children were always included.
John had no problem bringing YOKO into the studio every freaking day. There is no excuse for John. He was a terrible husband to Cynthia and flaunted his cheating and even told her to her face. He was physically abusive to Cynthia and a terrible father to Julian.
John always complained on how sad his childhood was without his mom, and how neglected he was. As soon as Julian was born he proceeded to give his son the exactly same feeling of neglect he had. Good job. I think he only felt sorry for himself.
I am a little too young to be a fan of the Beatles. I never had much respect for John Lennon. I always thought his songs were very simple and I never saw any great guitar skills or anything else. I think they were just lucky being in the right place at the right time. I really didn't know much about him until he was shot. I also remember this him as a super rich guy telling everyone else that things will be ok and to love each other. Easy for him to say when he has everything. Anyway seeing this story about how he neglected his son makes me think even lower of him. Julian on the other hand seems like a very nice man.