Where did all the subcultures go?
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
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Is punk dead? Is goth still about the music? Is everybody a baddie?
All important questions here.
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Highly underrated! I've been noticing this stuff myself too. As the child of an ex-punk, it's slightly funny to see old photos of my father dressed In what is considered "original punk" compared to the Punk aesthetics of today, even if many of the same ideas cross from the subculture to the aesthetic. I've even talked with my father about this and he thinks its a bit odd that these kids are dressing up in these "costumes" and not really following the original idea of being a punk but it's still cool seeing these styles being used in the 21st century. Hope you gain a bunch of subs!
Anarcho-capitalist punks are a joke
When a person brings up the “death of subcultures” it tells me that they either don’t go out to shows of that subculture and thus are the exact person they claim to be speaking out against, or that their local scene is dead and they don’t wanna venture out
This is very true. Pretty much every city still has a scene and local bands to go and support
in my defense, a lot of the subculture came late and didn't stablish well when it died in other parts of the world (emo and goth)
@@a_moth_probably emo is one of the biggest subcultures in the world, and goth isn’t nearly as big but the scenes are growing rapidly with people having access to niche bands with the internet and darkwave songs appearing in horror movies
I deactivated social media as a way to test about how I dressed and if it’s for the applause of others or really just myself.
With no one around watching you’ll find that your clothing becomes more prominent and less trend cycling. That being said I’ve been a part of the punk community since I was a teen and now into my 20s so I don’t think thatll ever go away
Your individual experience doesn't speak for everyone else's. For many, it logically follows that external of social pressure, if one had to dress, they would do so in a completely utilitarian fashion.
@@mycatleftmeforanotherfish of course not, but try deactivating your social media and see how little external influences impact your decisions when it comes to clothing.
@@khris461 social media doesn't really affect how.I dress, although I rarely use it regularly. It's very anti-punk.
@@mycatleftmeforanotherfish good don’t use it. Point exactly
Pretty much haha. You're pretty much experiencing what life was like before social media took over in the sense of what it was like to dress alternative with no expectation of getting instant gratification (in this cases "likes"). This isn't to say that there weren't people who wore alternative fashion for attention as there were definitely some, especially the ones who wanted to piss off old people or "normies" but along that you had people who genuinely liked the styles and actually tend to stick with the look for years to even decades which doesn't seem to be the case with the youth today who do it for "Aesthetics' which is essentially just a costume to wear for TikTok or Instagram videos and then move onto the next on the flip of a hat because they have no investment in the "heart" of these subcultures aka the music or hobbies (like how those Dark Academia people who like to dress the part but don't actually read literature).
Aesthetic just takes subcultures and turns them into high school cool kid cliques. I’m not going to welcome you into goth or metal just because you look cute in black. Music based subcultures are also very much about the values expressed in the music. Punk is a great example. So is grunge. Both reject a lot of the mainstream culture. They reject caring about fashion, having to fit a beauty standard, being judged by buying the right brands and popularity, etc.
I agree that you cannot kill a subculture. But every time trendy people have tried to co-opt this shit, it’s a bad time for the art and music, and the people in it. I work at an alt bar. The ‘aesthetic’ people truly think that they should be welcomed with open arms. A girl got mad that she couldn’t film people for her IG live, because they didn’t know her and didn’t care about her 200k followers. This same girl demanded we change the music for her. She was mad more people showing up were there for the local thrash band than to hang out listening ti Taylor Swift with her in the bar room, because she didn’t want to go in the event room and hear the music. She had several complaints about her just being entitled and was shocked when she was asked to leave for it. This has apparently happened a few times recently, not to this extent, but along the same lines. I’ve been there when the ‘aesthetic’ people have had little tantrums because they kept touching other bar goers clothing, and when they were asked to stop, they pulled the ‘why do people like you always have to be mean to hot people?’ Don’t even get me started on the guys who will come in and admit ‘I bought this outfit from a brand called black craft. You guys wear that, right? This is what goth chicks like guys ti wear, right? Do you think I’ll get laid?’ It may not be ‘killing’ the subcultures, but it’s annoying the people in them. Most of us either didn’t fit in, or didn’t want to fit in with the mainstream because of people like this and the unfortunate social power they often have. We don’t want you in our spaces. If you are not part of our scene, be respectful, be humble, and don’t act like a bar full of strangers should be honored by your presence. We aren’t impressed by popularity, money, looks, or what brand you wore, so try impressing us by being better people than these annoying examples.
Very well said but damn that's a hell of a story, especially the "why do you have to be mean to hot people?" Did she actually unironically say that because that's just... Wow lol
But aside from that, I have seen this kinda mentality in the goth scene, they are the ones who usually call those of us within scene as "elitists" or "gatekeepers" when we explain that goth is a music-based scene and in order to be a goth, you have to have some likeness for the music. And the "gatekeeper" accusation is very annoying because most of the time we're not and if anything, we're happy to recommend bands to people genuinely interested in learning about the scene.
absolutely great video. i’ve felt this way for a long time, never being able to fully put my thoughts into words/articulate my thoughts. but you are spot on. as someone in the punk/hardcore scene in my local area, i’ve definitely seen the rise of young kids who have found this little subculture that we have thru tiktok/the internet and it feels as though they think they’re entitled to it. when in reality, it takes time to earn the respect of your peers. thank you for this video, your chanel brings me much joy ❤
As someone that’s an indie and a rock and roll fan, it’s okay to express the every beauty of life aspects……But please don’t try to appropriate things just to be cool or trendy
Really instructive ! I've already heard about it.
I think that those aesthetics are a GenZ thing. Like, as you say, people my age just are appropriating subcultures without having a real interest for them. Maybe because in 2020, we dont have a style or subcultures we own.
I also think that our generation is less "revolted" and we don't need to create subcultures anymore. So we try those looks, aesthetics and throw them away when we're bored.
Kind of sad.
Anyway, you won a subscriber, looking forward your evolution on UA-cam!😁
I agree, on one side it’s a good thing that people feel more free to wear whatever they want and to adopt whichever style but I can’t help but feel like we are also losing something at the same time. Plus these aesthetic cycles really encourage fast fashion to move even faster it seems.
this is why people gatekeep (i personally don't like gatekeeping but still)
well spoken and thought provoking. good job!
I loved this video a lot I've watched UA-cam for literal years this is the only channel I've ever turned notifications on for. You really made me think about my life and me as an individual so thank you made me realise a bit more how being chronically online instead of hanging out with my friends and going places could be a big regret of mine in the future. Thank you hope everyone who's reading this is having a good day/Christmas soon if you celebrate it.
People change. So do styles and tastes. As you said, I think people should wear whatever they want. In my eyes, there’s nothing wrong with (ie) wearing « punk » inspired clothing without really following the punk mindset if you like the way it looks - or following a « punk » mindset without being dressed to show it (bc of many reasons like money, self-confidence, comfort, health issues, etc…). Some people just want to enjoy what they like without the feeling of « being labeled/thrown into a box », if that makes sense.
However, that doesn’t mean there isn’t a limit, if I can say it like that, and these « aesthetics » can become disrespectful of the subcultures they are inspired by (and social media encourages this lack of respect by making trends where people just jump from one thing to another and throw everything out of the window in order to be trendy). We should never forget where those « aesthetics » come from, and respect each other.
No hate or disrespect at all in this comment, just a personal opinion and (possibly) a language barrier, as English isn’t my first language. Thank you for this video :)
I'm an older gen-z who grew up largely off the internet and (imo) experienced the tail end of punk culture. For me, at the time it, was definitely more of an ethos/life philosophy. The actions of individuals back then held more weight than their shared aesthetic or individual style, whereas among today's punks I feel it's inverse. My initial reaction to the mass-market commodification and popularization of punk aesthetic was at first somewhat morose, because to me it solidified the sense that punk was dead and never coming back. The commodification of punk is diametrically opposed to the idea of punk itself. This feeling was only further cemented through discussions with peers on this topic who, as your video highlights, don't think punk is dead, because they view it merely as an aesthetic or fashion trend. Although, I guess this could be a good thing, because as long as the aesthetic remains in popular culture, there will be curious people who spend time learning the history behind it, and in a sense that means punk is alive. Or, subcultures, and even larger cultures themselves, are in the rapidly accelerating process of dying through forced socio-technological amalgamation. I guess we have to wait and see. Cool video 👍
Thanks UA-cam for recommending this video
loved it
Great video, I hope u keep growing, watching from Colombia
Thank you I’ll be posting more soon!
Back then it was never about money, but now kids do it to boost engagement and make money from it. It’s definitely fascinating bc gen z is the first generation with no new subcultures bc we are at the end of history
Personally I see aesthetics as just a cover up for involvement in a subculture, I dress like a punk because I am a punk, I have leftist ideals and I like punk music. It’s very different to just wearing something because it looks cool. My clothes and music taste have diy roots, and that’s what makes a subculture, ideology, fashion and music. There are still youth today who follow that idea. Some however just follow trends, the complete opposite of what a subculture is. This is a really well made video btw :)
This happens way to often nowadays, where people have absolutely no idea what they're wearing and the context/history behind these subcultures. For example, currently bands like ACDC, Metallica, Gun & Roses; just to name a few, have become so common in street-wear, I've always had the urge to approach and politely ask them what their favorite non-hit songs are to find out if they actually listen to the artist/band's music.
Kid named gatekeeper:
I don't like how you call it cosplay just because someone doesn't know the details about where the aesthetic is coming from but I also understand that people make these a trend and they jump from one to another LIKE it's cosplay
At the end of the day its just clothes. If you like them wear them if you don't then don't. I don't have to know who took a shit in the punk community in 1992 to like punk clothes
**nice video tho
You're point on. The fundamental of subcultures is the community and the shared cause. Aesthetics lack both of these, they just literally copy the visual aspect of it and leaving everything else out. Call me old, but I find it sad that the photos taken today don't represent the real life anymore but rather they're like miniature advertisenments of one's personal life. We've lost the authenticity and we don't live our lives anymore irl but rather think we do trough the staged photos.
1k views and 290 subs, alot of good work. good job keep it up!
I would like to explore more about the cause of this phenomena. It's a very interesting subject and it's a great way to know more about the gen Z.
You really make great videos. :)
Thank you! 🌸
🇨🇦 We have been using historic & dying malls to bring them back.
Kia ora e hoa you nailed it with this one. I believe if we see people rebuild their communities (damaged by technology.) We will see subcultures return too. Liked and subbed.
Essentially everyone’s a poser who cares about Internet reputation
Great video! its cool to see a youtuber that doesent have thousands of subscribers on my for you page, ill be looking for more videos soon
Ignore values as long as you look pretty 🥺
Hope this pops off this was a good ass video
Yeah she needs more subs…
My capital city still has punk and goth scenes but rich kids are the only ones who can afford to be dedicated to them.
'Wake-up babe, Asian egirl #9184 posted a video essay'
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literally 1984
great video :)
Everyone and his mother wear Vans sneakers these days...
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Real
"You can't be a conservative and be a punk at the same time". Try telling that to Johnny Ramone and Michael Graves.
Left wingers telling punks how to think and how to act, what a time to be...
too much aesthetic nowadays and good art is dying because of it