Power Project: SARMageddon EP. 21 - Final Thoughts ft. Mark Bell
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2019
- There's no better way to wrap up SARMageddon than with the man who made this whole thing possible. Andrew Zaragoza got together with Mark Bell to discuss their final thoughts on SARMs, the series, the cycle, the good, the bad, the ugly and the impact SARMageddon had on the fitness industry.
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I didn't hate on it for being popular. I hated on it because Andrew is a novice lifter who under eats. His gains from the cycle were nothing to really brag about considering he could have achieved them naturally by being in a caloric surplus and running better programming than he was pre-cycle. I say you re-do SARMAGEDDON with a more advanced lifter to see what kind of results they get.
I believe the opposite. This is a normal joe and he was on a normal dose. The gains he got were very insightful on how the sarms would work on an average body and how fast you gain the above average muscle.
"Normal" Joe's have no business being on any type of anabolics. Get your training and nutrition in order first.
@@ShaneTumminello exactly his gains were squat a real diet and a real trainer could have done just the same.lots of risk for pathetic results
@@skullfetish2539 The risk from SARMs is pretty minimal overall tbh.
Micky Singh he is not a normal joe. Also he wasn’t never specific on his diet other than being on the vertical
So around 11 minutes you both admit he didn't have a plan for the two years he has been working out with Mark...why go from no plan directly to SARMS?
Sadly enough, Andrew had no idea what he was doing/going to do..Now on TRT after 1 cycle of ostarine..still no plan.
Wallet03 he should never have gone on SARMs he isn’t really made for lifting in general let alone using PEDS.
@@CommonSenseBodybuilding Agreed, for sure he wasn't at a point requiring PEDS, he had so many variables to fix before running gear..look at him now, on trt after 1 cycle, I can't follow his logic (lack thereof)
Wallet03 unfortunately it screams of nativity and he seems to know nothing about lifting yet he hangs with the most knowledgable? They should have known his genetic responsiveness to PEDS would be low and so wouldn’t have been a good case study. This is why I follow Greg Doucette and generally don’t pay attention to much SARMS videos otherwise as most are bias in some way
Think maybe his genetic short comings to lifting weight is exactly Y he was perfect candidate to try SARMS. I'm in no way an expert am 45 years old and been lifting since my mid teens. Was always easy for me to put on muscle as a young man but once I passed that magic # 40 it's been hard. I'm completing my 1st SARMS cycle of Rad 140 and I feel great. Close friends and ppl in the gym definitely noticed the difference. I've gained roughly 10 lbs of muscle. So for me it was definitely the right choice.
Can't wait for Mark to get Jason Blohole on the podcast.
helo omor
@@InescapableRealityOfficial How did you learn this classified information?
@@InescapableRealityOfficial Jason Blaha has destroyed my previous interpretations of reality forever. He is so alien that an alien abduction seems normal by comparison. I've not encountered Jason Blaha in person but each one of his videos I've watched has gradually changed my perception of reality and death more and more. I went from at first feeling like I had simply returned to being pure energy, to feeling like I was just a part of a universal Hive Mind of energy and consciousness, to the most profound realization of all, which was that I was an eternal individual being in a process of eternal spiritual evolution. I don't know the answers. All I know for sure now is that nothing is as it seems.
Agreed
Sealed Chamber r w Reese estate
Wasn’t mad that he was doing sarms/steroids whatever. Was mad he decided to mislead ppl and pretend that doing test after his sarm cycle was a pct. He may be on trt the rest of his life now. So irresponsible to put that out there. Surprised mark who knows better didn’t stop him at least from lying and saying test is a pct.
Having actual doctors on here would have been helpful too not the “oh I’ve seen a lot of labs” guy. That was insulting as crap.
Right. I don't want to see someone's nobody wife proclaiming "I think SARMS are safe." This isn't Parler. Facts actually matter.
@Matt This is America. Don't step on my freedom, pal.
@Matt Try to be more like a lion, son. You have a long way to go.
@Matt did he do real test or hcg ?
Prior to SARMs. Waking up at 3 am to workout because it's really hardcore to train in the middle of the night, and only lazy people sleep. It's not like sleep is the foundation of recovery. All of this, along with barely eating, because muh work load and schedule is hectic. OK good points
I have watched all of them but never posted, I am always giving my time to people who make the effort to be as transparent as possible, I took interest in Mountain dog because he started opening up and talking about what he takes. There are so many drugs that are prescribed by doctors that have a warning list side effects that go way beyond the side effects of SARMS. A work friend was on a prescribed drug to break the nicotine addiction, there was a list of 12 possible side effects, one being suicide tendencies, yeah and she started experiencing thoughts of killing herself, so she stopped the drug. Thanks really enjoyed being a part of your journey, learned a lot. :)
I just wanted to jump on here and say thank you to Mark Bell and his slingshot. It got me through a shoulder injury years ago and allows me to keep pushing when it flares buck up, but it also let me keep going through some hardcore elbow tendonitis and keep pressing while I rehab my elbow. What an amazing invention that helps in more ways than you know. Thank you!
Thank you for a great series!!
This was a great series. Thanks for taking the time and effort into making these for everyone. I have been an independent music artist for 15 years and I know what it takes to record music, footage, edit, etc. and release everything the right way and so on. It’s a pain in the ass but always worth it. I have been on TRT for 6 years and love it. Wife and I were done having kids before then and I did have anxiety/panic attacks, and depression. Tried for 2 years to do everything under the sun to get my levels up naturally. Ultimately I decided to do TRT. I feel great. Anxiety and depression gone. I’ve lifted for 17 years now and am pretty maxed and was maxed out naturally before TRT. TRT I gained about 7 pounds of muscle in those 6 years. I truly use it for replacement and my free T is about 900ng/dl and free Test is around 18-20. That’s what a healthy young man should have. I had friends jump on SARMS and I wanted to figure out if it was safe for their safety and found this series. I’ve read everything I could on them, watched all the videos I could on the different types, and they seem to be fine so far as long as you have a plan for true PCT (I would use enclomophine instead of Clovmid) and HCG I’d LH and FSH are low after cycle. Or if on TRT that is your baseline so no need for PCT on TRT. I’m probably going to dabble in some milder ones myself this year to see. I have used peptides also and they’re great. Especially BPC157 and TB500 for healing. If taking MK677 or GHRH or GHRP I would also take Berberine 2-3 times a day like Mike Mutzel was saying in the blood work video for insulin and blood glucose. Anyways thanks gents! You’re the best.
Please do blood work again and updates us on lifts after 3 and 6 months.
He would HAVE put on more muscle by being a brick mason apprentice for 6 months. A good hard days work goes a long way.
What I was sixteen I laid brick..... that lasted about a week LOL
Who tf wants to lay brick?
The Soviet Union figured that out
KillaHilla basically no one lol, but pays pretty good cuz of that lol.
Firstly, thank you so much for documenting this series. You are helping so many people. I think where most people are upset is the pct, or lack thereof. People were expecting a cycle, and you more or less opted to blast and cruise. This whole thing seems to be more or less of a semantics issue - a communication error. In episode 20 of sarmageddon, you call the trt pellets "pct." Technically, this is hormone replacement therapy, not post cycle therapy. That clinic sold you on hrt. Which there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Everyone is just upset you called it a pct. All the best man
Andrew keep chronicling your post SARM's journey
Great ep guys.
Great series Andrew! I learned a lot
Just finished this series. Nice work.
I wish there was a second post cycle bloodwork panel to see if your markers went back to optimal.
That 1 hour really didn’t say anything about the sarmegeddon series.
I wonder if Mark even watched the series, because he doesn't seem to understand how much of a train wreck it was. He also failed to accurately represent the reason for the negativity.
This whole series has been really dangerous to some of the members of Mark's audience who are more influencable.
there was no train wreck, just clueless people starting shit in the comments, feel free to debate me lmao good luck.
Dude, everyone knows about SARMS in the fitness community
Disclaimer! “Don’t be stupid”
@@xXJeReMiAhXx99 The dude is on steroids now to recover from the test suppression caused by sarms lol. That's 1 step away from worst case scenario. Worst being something he can't fix by throwing money at it. It's a fucking train wreck man.
"This whole series has been really dangerous to some of the members of Mark's audience who are more influencable."
My only problem with this principle is that if people took this into account 24/7, no content creator would ever to anything risky or game-changing. Those people were warned before every video that this was for research purposes. Due to the pushback this series got I would assume a good amount of people were either supportive or skeptical, but only a small amount would just start SARMs solely based on this series.
I’ve done SARMS off and on for 3 years. Problem is, once you are off you loose the gains
Hey can you guys make a audio clip of this video?. I like to listen to it to the gym
Stevenson Cervantes download the app MUSI, you can watch any UA-cam video with your screen off. It’s awesome
Quality stuff boss!
Such a disappointing last episode one's would expect that after 20 videos, when reaching the final step, the money time, you should have done some kind of a summary, retrospectively from your insightes, side effects, total muscle gained total fat lost, bottom line if sarms are safe, something, but instead it looked like you had over an hour session of just buddy talks this wasn't what I as a viewer was expecting, and this is why i think you missed the point...
I kind of felt the same way. Don't want to shit on it by any means, but I would have loved more in-depth insights on the actual measurable results. I think he treated the video as more of a personal wrap on a passion project, rather than the conclusion of a study, which leaves us as viewers lacking what we actually hoped to gain. Still watched the whole video, but definitely had hoped for more.
👍🏻great job guys
If your sole purpose is to put on muscle and look good. You need to stop training like a power lifter and start training like a bodybuilder.
I know I am nobody, just my opinion: I disagree with everything you did (trainning, sarms, diet, PCT), but this was amazing to watch. Thanks Andrew!
I disagree with your grammar.
@@Posibrian English is not my first language dude.
@@Posibrian I agree with your disagreement but disagree about it being worth mentioning.
You disagree with doing a PCT?
William B I disagree with your disagreement.
Hey guys, Ben from Priceplow here (the guy at 1:48) Thanks for using some of my video!
The video series definitely was done well, and it was scaled much larger than I expected, great job!
Would love to collab some time and talk about this. Lets meet up at the Olympia this weekend!
"Well done"
@1:16 , still posting the study the guy hasnt read, suppression follows a dose dependant curve, thereforce the 5% suppression off 1mg dose has to be scaled for you dosage..
Wallet03 yeah I immediately picked that out as BS, 5% without any dosing or information on the “test subject” means nothing
Those test pellets were a big mistake
greveeen if he thinks he felt great on sarms he’ll feel like Superman with his test lvls at 1200 from those pellets. Especially if his natural lvl was in the 600s. No going back now
@@massbroffect572 he was going to make a pct, that was his intention. And considering how low the dosage of those pellets were 8 doubt he'll feel much of anything. He just got a big ass scar on his ass now
@@greveeen probably got hustled by that lady.
@@greveeen It's been said before but going on TRT, which is what those testosterone pellets are, is NOT a PCT. TRT shuts down your body's natural hormonal production. PCT is to STIMULATE your body's natural hormone production.
Great 👍 Journey
I hit all of Andrews numbers at 18 years old within a year at 155lbs when I was a novice lifter with no sarms. The gains are different.
jason bourne I’m 16 and I hit all of his numbers as well naturally.
Newsflash guys his numbers are easily attainable
Отличная серия роликов была. Я бы хотел увидеть продолжение. Интересно глянуть анализы через по года.
Can you do a video on the test pellets? Id like to switch over from my current TRT but cant seem to find many people with any experience about having been on and the process of getting them.
permanent scarring and tissue damage, inconsistent testosterone release and new implants each time they run low.
why the hell do you want to switch?
@@xXJeReMiAhXx99 1 appointment every 6 months instead of an injection twice weekly seems convenient. I also read it was very stable levels, but thats from the site selling them not from anyone's personal experience. A bunch of scares on my hip doesnt sound appealing though.
man I wanna hit a 203 slingshot bench. lol. I need some sarms and a full boar and elbow sleeves. ever hear of running a program? this entire series was lame AF.
OUR BOY HEMINGWAY
31:08 reminds me of something Louie Simmons would say
Oh look a cameo. I stand by my original message, I think you need to do a lot better with your disclaimer considering who a good portion of the audience is. Young people who don’t know better. I also don’t believe for a second you were actually trying to answer any questions. Especially since you were working with Tony Huge and had all the information on hand. But I do regret is the amount of heat that I came after you with in that early video. I was angry, I just lost my sister to cancer and I felt like there’s a chance something like this could’ve helped her but she couldn’t use it. But some guy who admittedly could’ve made the same progress with a little more work in a little more food was gonna make a web series about it and pretend it was for research. That made me mad. You’ve gone through 21 episodes and you use the same disclaimer, so you’re not gonna change there. I guess all I’m asking is do better next time. You’re responsible for In my view for the things your content inspires people to do as a content creator.
I really enjoy your vids. Sorry to hear about your sister.
The Heat Was needed 6 years of no dedication no real goals you killed it on your vid
Hi Andrew don't get upset on what people are saying. You done a podcast on your own journey and at the same time sharing how you where feeling. well done for trying. Most people have not done it, so they should not comment on what you are doing. However everyone has an opinion and opinions are like arseholes, we all have one. Merry Christmas
corona virus social distancing? you mean time to watch Mark Bell!
I've cycled Test with Equipoise and Test with Tren and never put more than 15lbs on. Just finished a 12 week cycle of Ostarine, RAD 140 and LGD 4033... I put 20 lbs on in 3 months! Sarms ? Maybe my Sarms was actually Dbol and who knows what else because how could Sarms give me 20lbs in 3 months? Idk but it's the truth.
I really enjoyed this series. I was hoping to see another cycle perhaps with a different combo.
Andrew, I truly enjoyed this series. I would love to see you do another series in the future. My wife and I were literally waiting on the next episode to come out every week.
It’s really cool to see someone starting off on the journey and remembering the trials we all went through.
Purely for scientific and entertainment purposes are supertrainings finest going to try food and training for Andrew next time
He claims 7+ years of "training" but i'm confident in a lesser amount of time I could get a woman outlifting him naturally. It's seriously not uncommon to see women amateurs at PL meets smoking his S/DL numbers... Food, sleep and an actual PROGRAM (rather than him just hopping on whatever Mark and the goons are doing) with linear progression would of done him just as much good if not more.
@@Steven-jn2cw he's not a novice lifter if he's been lifting consistently for over 5 years you dumbass, just because someone isn't strong doesn't mean you were working harder than them, get that through your head please.
@@xXJeReMiAhXx99 Just because you're a member of a gym for 5 years doesn't make you an intermediate in strength. I think it's quite obvious he's not applied himself. Maybe he's at his 'genetic limit' haha
Any updates since this?
Why r u using red and yellow slings for weight under 300? I thought u use blue for that
BRUH they got my coath Blaha on there!
Can someone summarize the main points of this video? I dont have the patience to listen to the entire podcast session. Thanks!
00:00 - 01:06:46: blahblahblah..
Didn't really quite get the whole tangent on the faces people make when lifting. Like why does it "infuriate" you?
This series is cool because Mark Bell / this channel explore many ideas, training methods, diets, ped cycles etc. They don't push the info out as the end all be all for everyone. Andrew did an awesome job of trying out a new way to gain strength that worked well for him. Andrew you seem like a genuine guy, fuck the haters :-) Thanks Mark & Super Training for being a legit source of info and good people all around.
I politely listened and yeah i agree as regards we all make our choices based on our morals . HOWEVER, in my opinion you have to have responsibility toward your viewers, many who are young . You basically have given them the excuse to why not even take steroids. “I’d rather take the quick route” well sorry but that is the prevailing mentality these days . Long term health effects have NOT been studied. Fast forward 10 years , I’d hate to be the one giving out advice recklessly because it suits YOUR morals / ethics . Responsibility to viewers IS A THING . Think about it
Would have been good to discuss pre and post sarms results, measurements, weight, current status, next steps, future etc
Instead we just got waffles with no syrup. 😫
I have watched every second of this and I love it. Cant wait for the next series like this. If you need a lab rat that trains strongman, I volunteer as tribute!
Mark is nicer to Andrew than Joe is to Young Jamie
"pull that up Jamie"
Great video. Reaching new heights with the help of sarms is amazing. Negative people will always judge but you know what they aren't perfect and they do things I wouldn't agree with to so people need to quit judging people so much. Great videos and great serious guys.
Great series 👏
Awesome series! I've been following the entire series, and it seems that your cycle was a huge success. I remember in ep 1 or 2, Tony Huge saying that the way you train will dictate the results. Your more powerlifting type training didn't make you put on a huge amount of size. If you didn't care about your numbers, and just wanted size you would have trained that way and would have likely seen different results. As for your blood work, I would be interested to see what its like after your pct. I respect your decision to get the tablets, and I mean why not? But I would have liked to have seen a month on clomid and gw to see what that would be like. I've seen that in various forums as a go to sarms pct. 4 weeks of either clomid or nova and gw.
If your blood work comes back fine after your pct, wouldn't it be ok to do another Sarms cycle? It was said your blood work can only get worse since it was near perfect. The pct should put everything back to normal or near normal.
He’s not running a PCT. He went directly from ostarine to TRT. TRT is a cycle in and of itself. All he’s doing is suppressing his HPTA further so if he comes off the TRT his levels are going to be in the toilet.
@@dookiex Ohhh... thanks for clearing that up. I thought the tablets were his pct. I see now. Thats odd.. why not do a pct and get your normal test levels back? Hmm.
@coldfire22 That is an incredibly easy question to answer. The reason Andrew went with TRT thinking/implying it’s PCT is because he’s getting advice from people whom are basically going to be on gear for the rest of their lives. He doesn’t really grasp the context being different for that demographic and people like himself who wishes to get their health markers back to natty status levels. So due to that inability to distinguish how the context for which he is being given advice is night and day different from the context he was assuming when he inquired about the topic of PCT, etc., he of course has gone down a road that he likely never really intended.
That is the gist of the problem of this series. It’s lacking context and due to the format (he released the episodes whilst in the middle of the “experiment,” this presents the problem that a lot of viewers will end up taking gear because Andrew at the time with the “experts” he has had on were giving misinformation. The “experts” giving misinformation because the context they are operating in is different from what Andrew and a lot of laypeople assume it is, as well as generally just not being that well read in the topics they assume expertise in, including the NURSE that Andrew got his TRT from, she’s NOT A DOCTOR, she practices in CT because they all for nurses to operate independently without supervision from a MD, also compound pharmacies are actually not very well regulated and they can essentially compound you all types of things including things which are technically not for human consumption, compound pharmacies are simply not a real pharmacy in what we think of where a doctor prescribes you something and you pick it up at the pharmacy, pharmacies as one thinks of deal with marketed compounds which are FDA regulated, they don’t deal with selling you cardarine/GW or MK-677 both of which are investigational drugs which have patent holders in the form of big pharma and big pharma has NEVER released and sold either of those compounds to consumers since they are still going through clinical trials). So the problem is by the time Andrew reached the end and realized that oh shit, ostarine has the same effects on suppressing the HPTA as taking anavar, goodness knows how many people had already jumped on cycles due to feeling it is safe and has no suppression because that’s what the earlier episodes of the series implied/alluded to.
This series is incredibly dangerous seeing how a large demographic this channel attracts are high schoolers and kids not much older that high schoolers.
WOW, THIS IS INCREDIBLE! MARK, YOU ARE PRICELESS!
THIS SERIES WILL MAKE HISTORY. ...YOU TWO ARE SO GOOD TOGETHER. ...DUDE MAN, YOU'RE SO GREAT AT WHAT U DO TOO. ... COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS TO BE IN THIS AWESOME SITUATION! NEED TO SEE YOUR CURRENT STATUS. ... YOU'RE WICKED COOL AND HONEST...
TOTAL ADMIRATION...STAY HEALTHY, AND KEEP GROWING!
SARMS SHOULD BE TAKEN IN MICRO DOSED, EVERY OTHER DAY, W TRT, I SWEAR, AND NEVER SARMS ONLY! Glad u decided to impregnate your hips lol, and make sure your T is 950 to 1300, and enjoy everything. ...💪💛☮️
BLAHINO🎷🎷
They put coath in the video
Got 315 on sarms lgd it ain’t no joke . But test is best my op
@1:20:14 mark says turkey when he meant chicken
Why does tony say youre pioneering sarms are worst than steroids you shouldve just run test and probably dropped your natural almost as much but you wouldve gained more muscle
I think Sarms help him get the motivation to get into the gym and play attention to his food, sleep and many other things
First off love every podcast!
I smoke every day.
Lost a lot of ppl in my life starting at 6 years old that put me in a bad spot mentally growing up. Was taking 8+ pills/day, seeing therapist, and even took out of regular school classes starting in the 5th grade.
I didn’t smoke until after HS but I wish there had been a prescription THC/CBD method instead of pills. Smoking truly helps me in my day to day life just somewhat relax, focus on what’s important, and get through my busy days and express love how I should towards people. If it’s a good sativa strain then It’s an adderol in a way for me but natural and not as stimulating and doesn’t wreck my eating.
I’m 29, making 6 figures, own 2 vacation rentals, travel 60% of the year for work w/my fiancé, work out daily - @ 175ish I can pull 500 and bench 325 (I know not big #s) and run 10+ miles. I wake up around 5am, have my coffee, work out, smoke my morning bowl, and hit the day hard AF relentlessly.
Point being is that Some of us do know why we smoke daily and that all daily smokers are not just some lazy stoners.
John M weird flex but okay
Candle Ankle flex? They had a part of the video talking about people smoking every day. How do I make a point that daily smokers are not all lazy (I know it wasn’t necessarily implied) unless I give a specific example?
Great numbers for that size man!!
quix99 Appreciate that man! The goal is to pull 600 and bench 350 in my lifetime around 185-190 so we’ll see how that goes lol. My best friend is a college speed & strength coach so I rely on his help a lot with structuring my training. Been consistently lifting for about 10-11 years now.
John M I mean, you can put ur fishing pole away. The fishing for compliments is a little absurd
😬and now trt for life
why are clueless idiots like you making such statements? he can get off any time he wants idiot.
@@xXJeReMiAhXx99 I think TRT is for a life time. TRT, as far as I know, is not a PCT that you follow for a few weeks until you regain your natural balance. TRT is a commitment for good.
@@FastAkira it can be, the intention of trt is long term, but I've been on and off trt since I didn't get enough benefits.
it's not a lifelong sentence unless you've been doing it for so long that your testicles can no longer function.
@@xXJeReMiAhXx99 which happens quite often iif you're on gear for months... In any case, trt is designed for a long term (till the end of your days) Yes you can stop the treatment, but it's not recomended. You won't die, sure, but you'll be experiencing the side effects of being suppressed (unless you're so luchy like yourself that nothing happens to you) I personally understand people when they get the feeling of "you condemned yourself for a life time because a stupid and shot cycle of sarms"
Tony Huge is such a drug dealer 😂😂😂 but cool experiment. It’s was cool following the videos. Keep shooting, let’s see what happens as the sarms fade away.
I thought it was an interesting series to see a hard gainer take some SARMS. Like Mark said if most of the other guys at the ST gym did it, we wouldn't have even noticed. Most of the other people are already jacked or strong.
Azul Simmons All a hard gainer is really just a person with a fast metabolism who’s not eating a calorie surplus.
That’s what I found out from experience.
@@MattmanAZ09 I learned that lesson myself. In 2013 I was 145 lbs. Today I'm about 185 and about as lean as I was back then.
@@MattmanAZ09 no, that's probably the majority but the bottom 10% of lifters have bad genetics and will never look very impressive naturally.
broo i do 415 deadlift natty
Mark.. did u say 5.4 sec 40.... if u think that is fast...I feel really good now. Thanks for making my day. Love your content
Honestly man, u should have probably taken a better sarm that osta. LGD or Rad would have been way better to bulk up. I guess it was good you were being safe but watching someone take a osta cycle really isn't that entertaining.
How are his bloods now...
They say so much useless crap. Did he even do a pct? Did he even try to see if his test levels would come back before going on trt and becoming dependent on it?
Obviously not. He went on hrt and skipped the pct.
"don't be stupid"... yeah right
What was ur raw bench before cycle and after cycle? I dont think u ever answered that basic question. Not with slingshot!!! That is too much assistance
he gained 20-30 on his bench
Well if you run multiple compounds at high dosages for 12+ weeks of course your natty test will be suppressed
Actually, even low-moderate dosages would suppress at 12+ weeks. The dosage really dictates the rate at which you are suppressed but it will cause suppression regardless given a long enough length. This also varies from person to person.
@@dookiex I took 6 weeks of 20mg of ostarine 175 lb male test went from 548 to 462. 16% suppression
@LEANDROS LIASIDES Not sure if I've bounced back, but my sex drive has been nuts (pun intended) recently so I think so. No PCT. Went from 173ish-180 while also running cardarine at 10mg for 3 weeks 20mg for 3 weeks. Little bit of strength gains that have gone down a little, but stronger than before drugs.
@@dookiex Took 10mg of cardarine for the first 3 weeks and 20mg for the last 3 weeks. Gained probably around 5 pounds and got leaner so maybe more. Went from about 175 to solid 180
Zach Teumer The cardarine isn’t suppressive and it’s also not a SARM. So it would seem that you were beginning to get suppressed but ended the cycle before you tanked. I do wonder however, if the ostarine you took was meeting label claims though. 20 mg a day for 6 weeks would be a pretty suppressive cycle from both anecdotal evidence and personal experience.
good grief - so many wrongs. 1. Initial blood work (prior to going on anything) showed free test at 9.5 which is way low - no wonder he couldn't put on muscle. Had he just addressed that... 2. does a way long cycle especially for first timer. 3. thus gets really suppressed and instead of doing PCT actually goes and gets on TRT and I don't even think he realized the ramifications of doing so! What a complete waste of my time.
Right? Like how much research/time did this guy put into any of these thoughts. Anyone with eyes couldve told him he had naturally low levels, that and diet being main reasons ppl cant get to gen. potenial before even considering this type of thing.
really enjoyed the series,tony huge is hilarious,but wanted to point out sarms are not illegal to purchase or have....mark said early in this that they were illegal....they are sold as research chemicals not for human use....lol
so is clenbuterol, still not legal.
hows your test cycle going? 😂
SARMageddon 2 Mark Bell
SARMageddon 2 anyone????…
Was that 295 bench fake? Hell yea it was dude drop the sleeves and slingshot and actually push harder.
Bottom line, it is an excellent series.
How? It was littered with shitty results, misinformation and or outright lies. This is the worst thing Mark Bell has associated himself with ever, and honestly thats saying a fucking lot.
YoUr Legacy Is I Couldn’t lift 315 Without Sarms/Or Test Pellets 😔 I’m joking but if your intention was to get on trt from the rip Good job
I don't have impressive strength or a great physique either but seeing this kid and how long he's trained is enough for me to hop on real gear. Sure he probably didn't have the MOST optimal training or diet possible, but it sucks to be held back by genetics and see others do less work than you and make more progress.
If you are training properly and eating enough you will make gains dude.
Man I would say before you start getting on gear I would do something like GOMAD first, organic free-range whole milk with two scoops of protein powder in it everyday. Creatine. eat a whole chicken everyday and a dozen eggs I mean I would rather get crazy like that then get on gear.
I'm not saying you need to go to those extremes but try that shit first.
See this would have been way better if it would be someone with actual gains that actually has been lifting for a while as a natty then have him do sarms. Not someone who would be making progress on a beginner program
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My rat loves rad-140
Stacked my rat with that and MK-677, LOVE IT at 49yrs old!!
So he ruined his hormones for life for nothing LMAO and now is on TRT after a sarm cycle damn talk about worst case scenario
Haha true
His hormones arent ruined
@@stevend481 Yes they are
@@stevend481 yes they are hes on trt now
@@harleyzeth ruined how? Does he need trt for the rest of his life? No
omg they posted blaha
#nogains
Without hate there's NO love
My brother keep doing what u doing
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Biblical
So, Bell parks in no parking zones . . . . . . . . . . If Andrew Z has stomach issues like IBS or similar that could be a reason he never gained any strength or weight. I feel positive he just didn't eat enough. Sure sarms helped but he had room to grow with proper nutrition alone. You felt good on the osterine but when you came off it your test plummeted and you felt like crap. Restarting your own test should have been a priority instead of test pellets. Now you likely will never make your own test. So My thoughts are Don't use them. Currently not worth the side effects.
Sounds like joe Rogan
jason blaha? blaha!
Lgd is legit ...
This series has been great. Ignore the haters bro, keep at it, they are just bitter and resentful losers with nothing better to do.
The Social Contract ignore the people that say ruining your natural hormone levels/ bloodwork for novice/ early intermediate strength isn’t the best idea. They’re just a haters bro!
@@aidanorcuttpowerlifting634 One mans novice/early/intermediate strength is another mans genetic limit.
Nevertheless. PED's are a personal choice. If you enjoy the experience and the gains/strength they give you then there is no need to justify it to others.
Not really lol. Sure some genetically gifted people end their linear progression at like a 500 squat or some crazy shit like that, but if you’re a healthy male, especially one that weighs 180 lbs, 315 for a couple reps is novice strength, let alone when you’re 15 pounds heavier and enhanced
Genetic limit hahaha
The Social Contract I could not agree more man
Basically didn’t workout then Hoped on sarms cool
The haters were crazy lmaoooooo. I enjoyed the series a lot Andrew!
imagine taking shit just to gain ~10lbs
No way those numbers were real natty, specially the bench