sssss I’ll do you one better Dooku:Unhand me!You dont have the balls, Skywalker. Palpatine:Dew it Anakin:I will unhand you, Dooku **Cuts off hands and then head**
thats a daaamn cool idea! but creators may struggle with filling paths with skills, it wil be easier if some will be repetitive like f.e for forms 3 and 5
SWTOR Saber classes kind of use forms. If you take a jedi sentinel for example and choose the watchman discipline, you automatically take the Juyo form. Or if you take sith juggernaut and choose the vengeance discipline you take the shien form. But they need to make a new "Jedi Knight" game with a larger budget and include form mechanics and progression, kind of like Jedi Academy, but more in depth. I've always wanted a Mass Effect style star wars game with action oriented combat, and that legendary bioware storytelling (not counting anthem of course).
kit fisto: uses form 1 professionally. obi wan: uses form 3 very often. count dooko: uses form 2 elegantly. palpatine: uses form 7 to rid himself of three jedi masters in a couple of seconds. grievous: haha! lightsaber go vwoooooosh vwoooshh vwooosh!
The scariest thing about the star wars universe is that a 13 year old jedi could kill a fully grown no force sensitive with little to no effort. Just saying
If said non force sensitive is the likes of Mandalorians or trained soldiers of either side, said non force sensitive would actually still stand a better chance though.
Form I, the noob form Form II, the fencing form Form III, the block spammer in that one game Form IV, the ketamine form, it is Form V, the youngling destroying form Form VI, the can’t decide form Form VII, the form that ends parties and destroys senates
1. simple but efficient, cutting off dangerous angles for the user, perfect when you need to fight multiple enemies but can't go on full defense mode. 2. elegant, heavily technical and reliant on good footwork and positioning, great for 1v1 3. defensive to insane levels, best against blaster fire, reliant on tiring out the opponent and waiting for their mistakes. 4. heavily offensive, using the area to it's best advantage, attacking the enemy from multitude of high angles to find an opening. First form to rely heavily on force usage during combat, augumenting speed and jumps of the jedi. 5. counter form, as aggresive as form IV but more defensive, based on using pure strength to create openings and counters 6. an improvement over I form, incorporating movements from other forms to create a mixed bag that allows for a lot of creativity and encourages using force powers along the saber combat. 7. basically a mix of forms IV and V relying heavily on augumenting yourself with the dark side of the force. In vaapad's case it relied either on using anger but not giving into it or by redirecting the anger emanating from opponents back at them.
Even so, Tatooine was just one of many outer-rim worlds, and not even a very important one. I think this would make a little more sense if some of those creatures were also found on other worlds.
@@anlumo1 The Sarlacc at least has an explanation for why it showed up in a few places. They're creatures with multi-millennia long lifespans. They launch seed pods and hope they land somewhere. Stuff like Krayt Dragons though? Nah.
Garrett Grosser the original director for the sequels named Colin Trevorrow did something similar it was a double bladed lightsaber, a pikesaber would’ve been really cool
If Disney have of explored that path instead of turning the og star wars extended universe into a object that they blatantly rip off then yeah it could have been cool but it's not "STAR WARS" anymore its "Disney's Star Wars" and its hitting me wrong
@@timetravelingnecromancer1051 The sword is an implement of a wizard, reguardless of what Gygax and fantasy games have done for balance. Besides, lightsabers are made of pure space magic. You are right that the Jedi are over focused on the swords.
Ironically, if Windu ever actually accepted Anakin he likely would have become his greatest disciple and likely would have done incredible as a true master of form 7. Not sure if George Lucas was intending that but he did often like dealing in cosmic levels of irony
I'm not so sure that things would have gone well if Windu attempted to train Anakin in the use of Vapaad. Given Anakin's mindset and arrogance, it's very likely that he would've fallen to the darkside much sooner as demonstrated by Sora Bulq's fall to the darkside being a result of his failure to fully understand and utilize the philosophy of Vaapad; rather than channeling the aggression of their opponent and reflecting it back at them, Bulq essentially regressed back to Juyo and utilized his own inner ferocity and emotions, as shown by him becoming a sadistic, barbarous individual after his fall to darkside. Since Anakin was shown to regularly resort to channeling the power of the darkside to fuel the power and ferocity of his attacks, it's very likely that attempts to train him in the use of Vaapad would only have resulted in him being mastered by his own emotions much, just as it happened to Sora Bulq.
@@foreignroninl1555 His dark side is indeed strong, but Windu would be able to teach him great discipline Which would allow him to safely channel that dark side into a powerful array of attacks, without losing control to his emotions
Spartan War118 I don’t know. Mace Windu made it clear that only he would decide whom would get to learn Vaapad since everyone other than himself had failed to master the form and became corrupted by the dark side. I remember hearing that Anakin did approach Mace and expressed his desire to learn Vaapad, but the latter refused to train the former in the style on the account that his motivation clashed completely with the mindset of Vaapad. Mace had created and mastered Vaapad as a means of self control over his natural enjoyment for battle, but Anakin simply wanted to learn the style to become a more powerful lightsaber duelist, which is why Mace refused to train him.
@Frank Wharton-Hughes I can definitely see where you're coming from on your argument that the Jedi council's attempts to repress Anakin's emotions is what caused him to fall to the dark side, as it makes sense that council's attempts to essentially put a lid on Anakin's emotions would inevitably result in them figuratively boiling over and exploding. However, after putting some thought into it I'm actually starting to think that both of our arguments may possibly be correct in the sense that the information covered in both of them had some hand in - or in the case of my argument, could've potentially had a hand in - Anakin's fall to the darkside. While it is true that repressing Anakin's anger and other emotions was responsible for his fall, I also see it as one side of the spectrum for him being consumed by his emotions. I can understand why you would think that Anakin could possibly learn to control his emotions if he trained under Windu in the Vaapad variant of Form VII lightsaber combat as it could be used as a way for him to vent his emotions, but I fear that this method of venting would only have sped up Anakin's fall even further due to his mindset and general approach to combat. Anakin is generally a very competitive individual who clearly felt incredibly thrilled whenever he was in the midst of combat, and his general combative approach often results in him dredging up his own emotions to fuel his lightsaber strikes, as demonstrated with his duels against Ventress and Dooku. It's due to these reasons that I fear that if Windu did try to teach Anakin in Vaapad, Anakin would essentially regress to using the Juyo variant of Form VII which capitalizes on the user dredging up their own emotions and ferocity to fuel their attacks, which is actually what happened to Sora Bulq when he attempted to master Vaapad - Bulq didn't channel the aggression of his opponents back at them like Windu did, but simply channeled his own aggression. My argument for this also stems from personal experiences, since I have also tried to find ways to vent personal frustrations but discovered that more aggressive methods actually failed to properly calm my emotions as effectively as more passive methods. So in short, I can agree with your argument that Anakin's repression of his emotions was definitely responsible for his fall to the dark side and that he could possibly have learned to control his emotions through Vaapad and better counseling, but at the same time I feel that attempts to train him in Vaapad would risk him falling under the influence of Juyo and speed his descent into the dark side due to his more competitive nature and tendency to draw upon his own aggression in combat.
@@GamingWithCalvin1 first hes not an hater,hes a Medieval enthusiast and happens to know a lot about sword fighting.Second dont judge someone before even knowing anything about him.Thirdly,you can enjoy these new star wars but in a movie perspectice they are not good,except the 7.
Form 1: Determination (basic and instinctual) Form 2: Contention (refined offense; for dueling) Form 3: Resilience (efficiently defensive) Form 4: Aggression (acrobatically offensive) Form 5: Perseverance (base form 3 + added form 4) Form 6: Moderation (conglomeration of previous forms; jack of all trades) Form 7: Ferocity (form IV + dark side)
Probably a Master of Form 2. Or more likely he would have created his own after mastering all of these and a bunch of other combat styles across the galaxy. But Form 2 sounds most like his Base form.
It's a horrible intro for sure. It took 40 seconds for the words "lightsaber" or "Jedi" to even be mentioned. Your audience should be able to have a rough idea on what the video is about in the first 30 seconds which definitely wasn't the case here.
I thought I had been trolled. I click off then one month later it pops up in my recommended, so I scrub through until the video finally has something to do with what I came for.
Actually there is a form called form 8 . It is sokan ,an ancient form that use your surrounding to gain an advantage retiring you to move until you get the perfect ground . Guess who used it ? Obi wan , yes it is the "High ground" form .
@@leonardusrakapradayan2253 The "OMG I DON'T WANT TO DIE BUT I NEED YOU TO DIE WHY DIDN'T I SPEND TIME GETTING TRAINED?" form? Ah yes, a classic, that tends to get the user murdered unless they are decked head to toe in that lovely plot armor.
A lightsaber isn't some mystical weapon only the super trained Jedi can use. That's why form 1 is even a thing it's literally just using it like a fucken sword it's so basic anyone can learn it. Even in our history it's shown how easy a sword is to use when farmers and peasants are recruited into the military. Man I feel like most people are so blinded by hatred they become idiots. Kinda poetic tho it's like star wars the dark side blinds you hahahahaha Edit. Also if you even paid attention to the video at hand he even mentions that it was the first form because it was just a switch from metal swords to lightsabers.
I think realistic would be either 3 ( the one that help you actually survive ) or Form 5 , good balance between offense and defense and help you finish it quickly .
@@rjayshaun Yeah the problem with those who choose form 6 is that they use it as an excuse to not train and just rely on force powers when this form actually as a LOT of dedication practice and experience in the field .
@@stormbringer2840 More that it requires a lot of BRAINS actually. all other forms require their users to only rely on their training in fights, while form 6 requires their users to constantly THINK. you can't think fast enough to make a combination of tools on the fly, then you'd practically have nothing to rely on, & you bite the dust. good form 6 users know how to combine their tools well on the fly... which those dead ones at that battle apparently ain't...
@@FalconWindblader Yes but improvisation come more naturally once you have had a lot of practical experience in the field , your brain connect the dots better when the situation isn't unexpected .
And probably the best user of Form 6 we see in the films is Darth Maul. His single-bladed action is obviously 7, but his usage of the double-bladed lightsaber? All Niman, baby.
It's okay, Jedi use the Force to predict the blaster path. Non force sensitives usually have to train for long periods of time to even achieve half of the skill.
Question, as a Shien specialist would you primarily be wielding your lightsaber in the standard grip or the reverse grip that is unique to the Shien variant of Form V?
Aaron Jackson Fair enough. Also would you consider studying a bit of Djem So or any of the other styles to cover more bases, or would you specialize entirely in the Shien variant of Form V? You said earlier that you prefer to fight defensively and analytically before switching over to a more offensive approach when the time is right, thus I could also see some investment in Form III: Soresu, Form IV: Ataru, and even the Djem So variant of Form V being able to complement your prefered method of lightsaber combat.
I'm personally a form two guy. The precise attacks and defense with finesse and without using too much energy as well as incorporating some maneuvers as a response to the opponent is very appealing
Personally i like Form 5, as its focus on counters and quickly overwhelming the oppenent speak to me. I hate fighting, but if i have to, go at it fast, hard, and quick.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Shii Cho is a beginners form, look at Kit Fisto, he was by no means a beginner and he was one of the best Jedi duelists of his era. Nor would I say form 6 Is an advanced version of form 1, otherwise the aforementioned Kit Fisto would have used this, id say it's a Jack of all trades but a master of none type of form. It combines all the previous forms but doesn't come with any distinct advantages but no distinct disadvantages either, unless your name is Revan who mastered all the previous forms to such an extent he used Niman to such effectiveness. Other than those 2 I agree
@@psychoticpurse6579 form 6 is the form best incorporated by those who made extensive use of force powers or physical strikes, it's less so master of none than it is master of using something other than the saber, though aye Revan is basically an exception to that too.
Funny comment. Form 6 isn't really cheating though for the average jedi cause usually in a duel the opponent will always have like a defebce against the force. If your medichlorian count is high enough though then sure. As for form 5, I definitely disagree on it being a combination of 2,3,4. To more of a mix of 3 and 1 if anything. Form 1 being called the balanced form is also a bit of a stretch, the form itself has plenty of weaknesses, and is honestly the worst when it comes to lightsaber dueling, but it's perfect for battlefield and blaster combat, so I'd call it versatile if you want something similar to balanced.
@@lilevevo.. If you don't master the ways of negotiation... psycology, and culture, maybe you won't live to see the next day.... unless you had a lightsaber and the force as a "backup". Form 0 would always be prefered, and the best way to get around conflicts, without the use of physical force.
That is the beauty of the light saber forms though. You don't have to learn a specific one, you could focus on one but also take teaching and techniques from the other forms to truly make a style that is most comfortable for you.
i would do the same but instead of form 5 i would use form 3 to cover weakness because form 2 would make you a great duelist and form 3 would help in a battle against multiple foes or blasters
Threxer funny enough, I'd do an inverse, form 5 as my primary and form 2 as my secondary to help with both footwork and more precise attacks. IRL I've dabbled in European fencing, what form 2 was inspired by, and self trained in longsword and kendo, what form 5 was inspired by, and while I've had more legitimate training in fencing and sparred quite often in the form with others, I prefer the longsword and kendo style as it feels more natural and better control to me, hence my reason for form 5 primary and form 2 as secondary.
@Cody Brock except in multiple cases they couldn't stop solid projectiles with the force, because once already fired it moved too quickly for their focus
@Cody Brock that was a blaster bolt, which move slower than solid rounds for dumb space magic reasons. Also, I don't think we should use the guy who literally couldn't tap into more dark side power because he was feeling too bad (worst dark jedi ever) as the argument of force user vs Astartes
@@arlencarlson yeah, no. Who taught her juyo then? Palpatine was a master of all seven forms, but preferred juyo. Rey just swung at a rock. Since the sequels are completely inept, we never got to see who taught her lightsaber forms. Not luke. Because we all know he just sat there whining and drinking green milk
My favourite forms: Form I (Shii-cho) Form III (Soresu) Form V (Shien/Djem so) Form VI (Niman) If i should chose only one form, it would most likely be Soresu or Niman. I am not much of an aggresor.. so a good defence (3), or a well balanced combat style (6) would be perfect for me.
David Jacobs Absolutely. While i don’t think his stance his practical in actual sword play, in saber dueling he was able to conserve so much energy and was an absolute tank.
@@cmrobbins88 he defeated 2 of the 4 most powerful force users in the galaxy with that form including beating one multiple times. Maul had huge potential as a sith. Plus he defeated the guy that killed hundreds of jedi. Obi Wan is FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR from the most powerful force user but hes proof it's not the size of the midichlorian count but the motion of the saber that matters. You wont kill obi wan in a fight. Best wait until he chooses to die
Yeah imagine trying to break someones guard just to have every attack blocked parried or deflected for like 5 minutes straight you’ll probably start thinking fuck this im just gonna start swing cause this is bs
Sounds like 2 and 7 is my style. If i'm just chill, I'd rather calculate my attacks. If I'm itching for a fight (or too passionate, which I can very much see happening.) Then 7 will turn on my more offensive side. Form 4 sounds way too physically exerting, but I think combining 4 and 7 will make one extremely dangerous fighter. Yet...very easy to eventually take advantage of- assuming the other opponent doesn't get overwhelmed by the wrathful attacks and lasts long enough to find an opening.
Form 1 And form 6 are for me I’m having my enemy think they know what I’m to do only for me to strike them off guard However I’m fairly simplistic and all over when offensive but still in doing so gives me a upper hand
Well, probably Form 1. But if I were to truly study and apply myself, I would probably make the attempts to master Form 5a, Form 6, and Form 7. Forms 2 and 3 would follow the others eventually depending on how far I got, but the only forms I would not dedicate myself to would be 4 and 5b. I am too low energy for maintained assault tactics of 4, and I am not physically powerful enough to make for 5b worthwhile. Defensive forms and clever counterattack forms would be my forte. And honestly, Form 2 would be only something I learned to better develop my Forms 6 and 7 skills for 1v1 duels. It is otherwise too restricting and single-track oriented to make good use of it.
@@James35142 I mean, han and maz tried to open her to the force, as well as anakins saber clearly choosing her as its new owner. plus kylo was wounded really badly, luke also managed to blow up death star by using the force without being trained, they used the same idea to make rey win against wounded kylo.
@@simonuser one lucky shot vs being powerful enough to do a mindtrick without knowing of its existence. Kylo was wounded, but managed to destroy a stormtrooper trained to fight from birth but gets beat by Rey who should not be even close to Finn
@@adityabhalekar3506 i mean she was very force sensitive, and Finn already made him tired, also, the mind trick, she must have heard story’s about the Jedi,
@@simonuser she literally thought Luke Skywalker was myth, there's no way she could know the Jedi abilities especially something as small as the mind trick. He beat Finn in about 2 seconds, so he was absolutely not tired and Rey being force sensitive= nothing
I would seek to master Both Form V (Shien variant) for dueling and Form III (Soresu) to deal with groups and blaster armed foes. Would use a Purple bladed Crossguard Lightsaber. May also consider trying to develop a custom unorthodox saber form using an arm shield projector.
I hope in the next fallen order Cal starts to understand the various lightsaber forms, adding an even more calculated approach to certain situations...kinda like jin Saki learned the 4 different stances in GOT
If fallen order ever gets a sequel/ succesor, I want it to be more focused on (saber & force) combat and less on exploration. Just learning different styles and using them in combat seems so cool and adds a layer of complexity to a game.
For me, when I’m calm, I’d be form 1, cause I have no real form. I’d end up winging it with a mixture or random basic movements. But whenever I get angry, I’d move into form 7.
Hey Generation tech may i suggest next video you should show why there are only 7 forms. why not make new forms through the years of the Jedi order especially of its weaknesses
I've done some longsword and have a potential answer. It's less about the Jedi and more about practical weapon usage - these forms exist because they're the ones that work. Similarly, the guards and styles used in martial arts are the ones that function well. Example - why do we sometimes hold knives in reverse grip, but never swords (in practical sparring, at least)? It's because the more limited range is fine in grapples and it adds options that just aren't useful for swords. It also sacrifices defence that knives don't have in the first place, but is vital in fencing. Some things work. Some things don't.
@@justrobin8155 I would like to follow on this - consequetly you get people on the internet telling that using lighsaber as a longsword is wrong that it should be used as a rapier... that forgets that lightsaber is also not a rapier. It can equally work well as a club. in any and all circumstances it can be used as all three + deflect and reflect incoming energy projectiles... One can be in armor that is at least partialy efficient (thanks Tim Zahn again :-) (Qui gon took longer to melt blast door the regular door) thus in that cases clubbing trough defences might be better then just small nabs like with rapier. each style favours some situation more then other. (Niman being the exception I guess) and thus more styles are required.
@@Paerigos You're right. Effectively, I think we should just look at a lightsaber as an insanely versatile melee weapon. I compare it to longsword because it's cut-and-thrust and my area of training, but it could just as easily be used as... anything, really. The obvious advantage to this is that a well trained combatant could switch styles completely in a blink. Think if how cool this could make fights. An initial rapier-like duel is interrupted, and the combatants are forced to switch to longsword techniques in order to face multiple opponents. Then, when faced with an armored opponent, their stance becomes very aggressive - they dodge with their Force abilities for defense and drop their saber guard for an onslsught like that of a bludgeon. Not only is it more practical - it's cool as hell.
@@Paerigos Saying it shouldn't be used as a longsword also forgets what Form 5 is based on from the real world. I'm part of a local lightsaber group as well as a longsword group. What you learn in longsword (for the most part) translates straight over to Djem So. It uses almost all of the same techniques and footwork
I would master Form 1 and get a little of Form 3 Form 1 to put my heart in each move while attacking in a way that's not easy to predict Form 3 to both defend and wear down opponents before closing in to finish the job with Form 1
If i was a Jedi, i would be a practitioner of form 6, Nimon. Form 6 was used by Jedi who dedicated less time into their lightsaber training to focus more on the nature of the force and their use of it. This is why he brings up that Jedi using form 6 would typically use things like force push during combat. Form 6 gives you a balanced and solid defense in lightsaber combat without demanding too much of your time. This is what made it the favored form of diplomatic Jedi who would rather use their words over their blade.
I mainly use form 1 then form 5 once later into the duel, as form 1 is very easy to use and gives a good base to work out your opponents style. Then form 5 as an aggressive medium incorporating some Soresu if in the defensive
Form 3 sounds right up my alley, I like to take things slow, to think about what I am doing and do it slowly but properly and move on, as Master Sinube would say "the good thing about moving slow is that you can always clearly see the road ahead"
I took a lightsaber form quiz a few times and got Makashi and Niman. I like dueling and being ready for any situation. So I guess those are my personality. I'm a strong man so form 5 would be good I think. I also value a high defense in soresu, I love Darth Zannahs technique. I'm patient. I think my top 3 would be forms 2, 3, and 5 or just 2 and 5.
Give me form 6. I may not be a master at anything in particular (except using the force because that's bread and butter) but I like having a response to any problem
Exactlyyyy it's such an underrated form because people say "you're good at many but a master of none" but if you work hard enough you can end up being a master of all. A perfect defense and offense will lead to a win every time 😤😂
As someone who loves the badass feel of form 2, I can honestly say I'd most likely be a form 6 practitioner as it's the one that is useful for keeping yourself alive in most situations.
Except when you actually have to fight someone. Seriously Form 6 in most of what I've seen is more focused on force connection, diplomacy and martial techniques for self control/physical discipline than actual combat. Every single user of it died in the battle of Geonosis. I'd actually recommend Form V Djem So for most situations. It has defensive, offensive and countering techniques. Sure its not as good as 2, 3 or 4 in their specfic areas (dueling, defending or mobile battles) but it is better than each in their weaker areas (better in mobile battles/defense than 2, better in duels than 3 and better in defending than 4). Best way I ever saw it put was that the forms are linked to the evolution of the Jedi order. Form 1 was the start learning to adapt sword fighting techniques to lightsabres. Form 2 evolved during the Sith/Jedi wars to battle 1 on 1 with other force users as that was common. Form 3 evolved after the Jedi/Sith Wars to counter multiple opponents using blasters and other weapons as fights against force users were rare and they almost never had a ligthsabre. Form 4 and 5 came about during the Mandalorian wars when form 3's focus on defence became a detriment as you'd be facing large volumes of fire from armies and thus you'd tire before they did rather than smaller groups you could outlast. They each took a different approach to introduce more agressive elements. Form 4 tried to use the varying terrain to jump and flip behind enemy formations to attack them from an unexpected direction. Form V retained much of 3's defensiveness and depending on strain either repurposed it to turn enemy blaster bolts against them (rather than simple deflection) and powerful attacks to beat down an opponent or incorporated some of 2's counters and dueling along with reflecting blaster fire. Also yes in full out war especially against force users Form 5 Shien or Form 4 might be a better option than Form 5 Djem So. However for general use they willl both tire you out faster as they have a lot of active movement or heavy attacks. Form 6 and 7 both came about in an attempt to adapt and refine the previous 5 forms into a new one that best incorporated their elements but then split on where the users wanted to go. Form 6 which became the standard form reflected the Jedi orders new role as mediators and diplomats being used primarily to train the body and teach self discipline more than for actual combat potential. Form 7 on the other hand tried to incorporate the best offensive techniques and potential to create an unpredictable and powerful fighting technique. It however had 2 issues the main one from the Jedi perspective was drawing on passion and a love of combat it had a very high chance of causing someone to fall or at least resort to agressive negotiation when it wasn't in their view the best choice. Secondly the high attack nature could tire you out faster than other techniques. Its why Vaapad (Windu's variant) was only used by Windu because every other user had wound up falling to the darkside (though admitedly its a small sample being his apprentice and one other). So yes in my opinion Form 1 is good for training the basics, Form 2 is best for 1 vs 1 against other lightsabre wielding force users, form 3 is best for defense, form 4 is best for mobile battles or fights against entrenched forces you need to get behind, form 5 shien is best for bigger fighters who want to beat down weaker opponents, form 5 Djem So is the best all arounder though it loses to other forms in their areas, form 6 is best for those who use lightsabre techniques to train their bodies but focus more on non-combat resolutions to situations and form 7 is the best offensive form but has a high chance of causing the user to lose control or fall.
@@liamwarner5749 couple things. First and honestly the one a care about the least, exar kun was a niman specialist so something's screwy with the timeline you provided. Second there is some truth to niman being the lightsaber form for people who don't want to spend a lot of time on lightsabers. But that is not indicative of the form's capabilities in the hands of a dedicated combative force weilder. It's a low skill floor high skill ceiling kind of thing. Due to its jack of all trades nature wach application is unique but they generally fall under 2 catagories (credit to evannova95 for coining the terms) There's diplomats niman which is those who use it to cover there bases while the develop other skills. This is used by people like plagus and caedus and more lazily by most jedi of the clone wars era. Then there's battlemaster's niman which is a whole nother beast. It's an extreamly aggressive and proactive version that relies on constantly switching gears to keep your opponent off balance and catch them slipping by being wild and unpredictable. Best examples are darth krayt and exar kun. Kun would pull shit like rapidly switching length and power settings on his lightsaber, switching from single to double bladed, and from blade to force powers at a moment's notice to keep his opponent off balance. Niman has an answer to everything and Battlemaster's niman leverages this to dictate the tempo of a fight in such a way it's almost like you're bullying your opponent. Lastly djem so is not as versatile as you think though it's better than most. First of all it relies on being physically strong which sucks for people like myself who can't bulk up due to genetics( seriously it's a thing, just built lean). Second it's flat footed by necessity because you need to be grounded to get more strength into your swings and this makes it struggle against mobile fighters like Ataru practitioners. Finally it was actually developed to account for the percieved weaknesses of form 3 but honestly I think that's overblown because plenty of soresu masters have vicious counter attack sequences. Case and point obi wan in revenge of the sith. The only real difference is form 5 is strength reliant and a bit more proactive where form 3 is reactive.
@@thomasmcgraw8778 Ok in order. 1) Quite possibly I'm not enough of a fan to be sure about it one way or another just liked the comparison for the evolution of forms in line with the jedi. I also imagine there's been a lot of retconing over the years. I had that timeline given to me prior to episode 1's release. 2) This is actually I've heard about a battle form of form 6. Every time I saw or read something about it previously was in relation to Jedi who used it primarily because ligthsabres were part of their image as it where but who's real skills lay in other areas (negotiation, force connection, etc) and as I said a special mention of all users in the arena of Geonosis dying. 3) I agree both variants of form 5 are more aimed at strength body types. My personal opion was form 4 and 5 grew out of 3's focus on defense. Form 4 focusing on agility and 5 on strength. I actually consider form 7 the most versatile but with the risk for a jedi of falling. 4) my personal tastes actually run more to 3 or 2 than form 5. Just giving my opinion mainly because of what I'd heard about form 6 every time it cropped up. Stopped reading the books before Krayt I shall have a look into this battle focused form 6 you speak of.
@@thomasmcgraw8778 So I took a look at various sources and they still agree with me. Niman is just not suited to large scale combat or duels against other lightsabre users. High tier users generally seem to be considered to have gone beyond it to develop their own personal style and there's no mention of a "battle Niman" at all. Exar Kun on wookiepedia actually gets a special mention of having abandoned the core concepts of moderation for the form in favour of a more aggressive and vicious variant. Sort of Like Windu developed Vapaad from the more general Juyo but is still considered a form 7 user. So I'm willing to conceed you can have a very dangerous and skilled "form 6 user" but the form and what it teaches is actually the worst lightsaber form for combat until you reach the point of creating your own style from it. However to reach that stage is largely dependant on an individuals ability and creativity to develop their own workable techniques. If you don't have that ability you will always be at a disadvantage compared to other styles. Here's part of the wookiepedia article . . . " While the generalization made it ill-suited for lightsaber dueling or fighting on the open battlefield, it was perfectly adequate for facing down criminals and thugs." On the upside it does seem to promote the most use of force powers in combat and any high tier user like Kun would generally have an advantage the first time they fought someone as you wouldn't know any general forms or techniques to help predict their movements.
@@liamwarner5749 I believe I said this. Most people who use it pick it up as an easy way of having something flexible so they can focus on other things. Dedicated combat focused force users usually do some form of hybridization to compensate for their preferred style's deficiencies. Off the top of my head I can think of 4 top tier single form purest (Yoda, dooku, sidious, and arguably windu) who don't practice niman because the other forms just aren't universally applicable. Meanwhile meanwhile those who actually practiced niman and cared to hone their skills were almost always monsters with the blade. Revan, exar, krayt, caedus, all of these guys chose niman to specialize in and all of them saw vast amounts of every type of combat. And yes they put their own spin on it but that's niman. It's a hybrid from so when people actually put time into it it will result in unique applications. To me this indicates the shortcomings it appears to have isn't a problem with the form but the people it often attracts. And the diplomat's niman vs battle masters niman distinction isn't one that's common place in the larger sw community. As I said it's an invention of a youtuber named evannove95 to generalize the two most common paths. Diplomats is more passive and all about looking for opportunities to break out alternative skills while battlemaster's seeks to dictate the flow of the fight by spamming an overwhelming amount of different things and forcing the opposition to adjust. I can try and find his clip of it for you because he has a lot of content and there's no dedicated video. But my point is that niman isn't inherently weak in high intensity situations, it's just that the common jedi who practices it isn't a dedicated warrior.
Logically, form 1. Basic balanced. Have to learn it anyway might as well stay in practice, form 3 for defence against blasters and if you come across a melee opponent to wear them down. Form 6. Control the field and steer it till you bring out the second blade to finish the job. 6 and 3 work together and 1 adds the power when needed.
Every single form after 1 has 1 in them by default, as that is the most basic of lightsaber combat & every other form is built from there. so if you're using a lightsaber, there's really no need to single out for 1 for specific purposes. it ain't stated in the video, but unlike every form from 2 to 7, where they're specific mindsets or philosophies to them, form 1 is just telling you where to hit, how to hit & how to parry or block--basically just how to use a sword. it's just pure swordsman moves that would work with ANY sword. HOW you wanna be using those basics, that'd be entirely up to you.
From what i remember of the Book of Sith, Sith only have 2 fighting styles, fast and strong styles. The latter being the preference for almost all of them. Darth Bane's apprentice, however, used fast style with much more regularity.
As an hotedeaded reckless man, form seven sounds like a seamless fit for me. To channel my own emotions into my attack to increase their weight is something i would certainly do.
From my experience with fencing, I can confidently say I would use the more aggressive type of Form V. Which is probably how I managed to draw blood despite padding and a blunted sword . . . two maybe three times.
Hats off for that feat, more preferring 2 and 7 and 4 myself, a good use of inherent bloodlust and energy and some ok backup for when I get tired or bored. I'd prefer a shield if blasters got involved tho
I like Form V. It's essentially Form II and Form III rolled into one package. I think it also fits my personality of analyzing situations mixed with less waiting and more doing. Maybe y'all could do a video that takes the different personality profiles and matches them to the different forms of lightsaber combat. I really enjoy your videos. Keep it up and keep 'em coming!
no form 2 is all about grace and finesse and exposing weaknesses form 3 is all about blocking parrying and wearing your opponent down form 5 is literally none of that and more about brute strength and an overwhelming amount of strikes that youre opponent can not block its all offense and no defense so how is form 5 a mix of 2&3
@@-thebatman- "[Form V] was created by swordsman who saw the Form III defensive stance as far too passive. Form III, however, was still very relevant because of the massive amount of blaster fire that could usually be found on the battlefield. But the Jedi wanted to add offensive capabilities in order to shorten the length of a fight. The sword masters drew from Form II's more offensive dueling aspirations and also included several power moves to Form V." - Alan Watch the video from 9:00 to 10:32. Alan does a great job of explaining the relevancy of Form II and Form III in Form V.
@@techheadiv The sword masters drew from Form II's more offensive dueling aspirations and also included several power moves to Form V. That's talking about philosophy, NOT moves. 2 is all about precision while 5 is all about power. they're both offensive-minded, but works VERY differently in practical situations. movesets between those 2 won't even look similar in the least. & btw, form 5 sucks in defending against multiple opponents--a tradeoff made by diverting almost all stamina & focus to deal with that ONE thing or guy in front of you.
Form 5, alternating between both schools of thought. Apex animals may get all the glory, but I prefer the role of creatures that come to the aid of others; and have the power to control the outcome-- especially when faced with an apex.
I’m form II, and it’s very hard to defend against form III, which is what a lot of my friends who don’t generally play with swords and such use when we duel. Idk if there’s anyone who actually practices their lightsaber combat skills, but do y’all have any tips for blocking and/or defending against form III
Niman aka form 6. The battle master. Not the diploma. You also have a high chance of learning form 7. When dark Vader attached the Jedi Temple his hardest fight they was with the Jedi sword master. A Niman battle master.
niman is only useful if you master the 5 previous forms, most form 6 practitioners aren't main duelists, only reason people like revan, sidious, and exar kun can use form 6 is because they mastered the other forms (even though palpatine mainly used juyo).
@@meetra5073 When it was taught on it's own Niman was a quick set of skills that Consulars mights have used if they were forced to fight. But mastering it took st least 10 years. Attaining level of a master in a form (not true mastery, but let's say black belt, 1 dan - or something alike) took around 2 years for each of 5 previous forms (If person worked very hard). That's my there were few true masters of form 6, since to master it meant intimate knowledge of forms 1-5. And even more then they it was personalized to nth degree. In the olden times if you've learned all 7 forms (Juyo was also difficult - even sith weren't big on going into frenzy that would kill couple of Jedi, only to be sliced, when a Master came into a fight - it required immense balance of ferocity and control) you were called Battlemaster. Kao Cen-Darach was such person and his Niman wasn't the same as the one used by diplomats. And Revan and Palpatine are both kind of OP. They can use whichever style they wanted. Palpatine knew all 7, Revan definitely knew first 5, hence why he was thought to be Niman practitioner - only he arrived to it, by molding 5 forms into 1. I am not certain what was his ability in Form 7. He definitely knew of it and knew how to fight it, but his level of mastery is a mystery :D
@@jannegrey593 was that meant to be to me or ronald? lol cause that's what i was saying just a more condensed version, only a few people truly mastered all 7 forms, i am pretty sure yoda did and i know for sure palpatine did. Like i was saying those 3 people i mentioned were the most notable of form 6 because they had mastered the first 5 forms
@@meetra5073 Yes I was confirming what you said and run a little bit long. It was for Ronald, my mistake - he didn't think Consulars used Niman, because it was so powerful, so I just said there is Niman and Niman. I apologize for replying to wrong person, and for the length of my comment. I hope you didn't take offense.
I would use form Six, but periodically switch my expertise between all the forms during the fight to keep my opponent off balance until I can find a safe area to strike.
Dooku: Unhand me!
Anakin: poor choice of words
Dew it
sssss I’ll do you one better
Dooku:Unhand me!You dont have the balls, Skywalker.
Palpatine:Dew it
Anakin:I will unhand you, Dooku **Cuts off hands and then head**
Dooku: You will never get ahead of me!
Anakin: *Wanna bet?*
Like son like father
Stormtrooper nice
There should be a game where you can choose your lightsaber form and upgrade down a skill path within that form
Pretty sure KOTOR 2 allowed you to change forms.
@@lazyjester7 you are right kotor 2, has 4-5 lightsaber forms
thats a daaamn cool idea! but creators may struggle with filling paths with skills, it wil be easier if some will be repetitive like f.e for forms 3 and 5
Maybe something like Absolver with the Star Wars license?
SWTOR Saber classes kind of use forms. If you take a jedi sentinel for example and choose the watchman discipline, you automatically take the Juyo form. Or if you take sith juggernaut and choose the vengeance discipline you take the shien form. But they need to make a new "Jedi Knight" game with a larger budget and include form mechanics and progression, kind of like Jedi Academy, but more in depth. I've always wanted a Mass Effect style star wars game with action oriented combat, and that legendary bioware storytelling (not counting anthem of course).
Form 0 is an actual form called "Negotiation"
I assume training for form 0 is short then
You were right about one thing
It’s usually very short
@@marshmallowallen5677 ah yes the negotiator
Is that the form when you accidentally impale yourself on your own sword?
Ralph Wiggum was a master of this form.
Fascinating aspect of lightsaber combat: the Jedi and Sith employed vast choirs to start singing whenever they had a duel. I wonder why they did that.
Lmfaoooo 😂🤣👌🏻💯
Lol
I assume it's a variant of the combat technique Dun Moch. Which is psychological warfare, mindgames, and taunting.
Well, can't speak for the Jedi, but Darth Vader was a bit of a drama queen.
For the sheer epic epicness of it
Palpatine: i'll take them
Gen tech: which one
Palpatine: all of them
Saber forms... or Jedi???
Both.
Juni Post bc that takes several years.
@@EchthelionII and the Senate!
Honestly no.
He was well versed but truly mastered form 6 and 7.
With that logic Yoda would of mastered all 7 forms.
kit fisto: uses form 1 professionally.
obi wan: uses form 3 very often.
count dooko: uses form 2 elegantly.
palpatine: uses form 7 to rid himself of three jedi masters in a couple of seconds.
grievous: haha! lightsaber go vwoooooosh vwoooshh vwooosh!
Lmao
That is a hilariously accurate description of grievous
vwoosh vwoosh still fucking destroys people, especially in 2003 clone wars
dude, obiwan perfected form 3
Lmaoo
I’m form 8 ...
It’s the one where you swing it like a bat until you hit something
Ah yes the Louisville slugger form primitive but effective
That's Rey's form lol
And Luke used it against Vader in episode 6
Ah, yes, the infamous way of the hand spinner...
I'm form 9 instantly get stabbed in the chest before I can react
The scariest thing about the star wars universe is that a 13 year old jedi could kill a fully grown no force sensitive with little to no effort.
Just saying
If said non force sensitive is the likes of Mandalorians or trained soldiers of either side, said non force sensitive would actually still stand a better chance though.
13-year-old: yOuRe NoT mY rEaL dAd *force chokes*
Dad, thinking: I should've sent this little feck to the spice mines!
Like naruto a lil kid could be a deadly killer
@Andrew Friend or with a knife, if deranged enough
Well yes, since they have a energy sword that could slice anything in an instant and could just choke you or push you out of nowhere
Form I, the noob form
Form II, the fencing form
Form III, the block spammer in that one game
Form IV, the ketamine form, it is
Form V, the youngling destroying form
Form VI, the can’t decide form
Form VII, the form that ends parties and destroys senates
I'm 3 and 5
What about the high ground negotiation tactic. It’s how I completed my collection and became the senate
I’m 5 and 6
Well kit Fisto wasnt a noob and he used form 1
High level Form 1 is basically ultra instinct 😂
1. simple but efficient, cutting off dangerous angles for the user, perfect when you need to fight multiple enemies but can't go on full defense mode.
2. elegant, heavily technical and reliant on good footwork and positioning, great for 1v1
3. defensive to insane levels, best against blaster fire, reliant on tiring out the opponent and waiting for their mistakes.
4. heavily offensive, using the area to it's best advantage, attacking the enemy from multitude of high angles to find an opening. First form to rely heavily on force usage during combat, augumenting speed and jumps of the jedi.
5. counter form, as aggresive as form IV but more defensive, based on using pure strength to create openings and counters
6. an improvement over I form, incorporating movements from other forms to create a mixed bag that allows for a lot of creativity and encourages using force powers along the saber combat.
7. basically a mix of forms IV and V relying heavily on augumenting yourself with the dark side of the force. In vaapad's case it relied either on using anger but not giving into it or by redirecting the anger emanating from opponents back at them.
You the goat frfr
Nice job man! underrated comment👍🏼
THANK YOU SO MUCH
this is one of the best summaries of the 7 forms i have ever seen 👏👏👏
You all are too kind, thank You.
Rey: “swings lightsaber wildly like an idiot”
A Star Wars nerd: Ah, yes. Form 1, I see.
A pretty general, if not novice use of Shii-Cho if you ask me.
I think it's more of the lost 8th Form known as "Zwoosh!"
Time Mage XD
Nah, it is known as form 8, baseball batting.
Even though rey is Mary Sue herself, she still cant handle a lightsaber
I’m a fan of form 10: way of the ceiling fan. I spin my lightsaber like a helicopter and decimate my opponent
No joke, it's used by Inquisitors.
@@itsokgames and grevious
@Adam Garratt thats form 11, the difference is thats the way of the helicopter which has the advantage of flight. Form 10 is what grievous used
Spinning is a good trick
Decimate means you’d kill either 1 in 10, or only 10% of an opponent.
Odd that so many forms were named after critters from a backwards outer-rim world like Tatooine.
It makes sense. Not many noteworthy creatures living in the inner systems. The outer rim is where most of the really crazy creatures thrive
Even so, Tatooine was just one of many outer-rim worlds, and not even a very important one. I think this would make a little more sense if some of those creatures were also found on other worlds.
@@jackdunne6152 It also doesn't make sense to have wild creatures on multiple worlds, unless they were transported there for some reason (a zoo?).
@@anlumo1 The Sarlacc at least has an explanation for why it showed up in a few places. They're creatures with multi-millennia long lifespans. They launch seed pods and hope they land somewhere. Stuff like Krayt Dragons though? Nah.
Krayt Dragons also can create a rare and powerful lightsaber crystal inside their bodies
What a strange coincidence, that is
Obi-Wan was dubbed the complete master of Form 3 by Windu
And Yoda. Supposedly the best jedi duelist of the time
@@DarthAxolotl I mean he knew how to attack without breaking his defense whuch was what a master of that form needed to know
Windu dubbed him THE master of form 3.
You can basically make a list of all people NOT able to hit him.
And if your a kotor 2 player like myself you know they kriea says” we are but children playing with toys compared to the ancient sith lords”
Rey definitely should have had a lightsaber pike instead of a saber.
Garrett Grosser the original director for the sequels named Colin Trevorrow did something similar it was a double bladed lightsaber, a pikesaber would’ve been really cool
I'd a love to see a live action Shadow Guard and their pikesabers
That makes sense, do to her experience with a staff
Anzu Wyliei might cause schizophrenia.
If Disney have of explored that path instead of turning the og star wars extended universe into a object that they blatantly rip off then yeah it could have been cool but it's not "STAR WARS" anymore its "Disney's Star Wars" and its hitting me wrong
Teacher: so, what combat form do you want to learn?
Palpatine: yes
Unlimited Power
Qut Boy not yet
You mean plaguis?
Sboom1000 Palps learned all of the forms too, from Plagueis.
Dude know your stuff before you comment under a nerd filled Star Wars comment section (Darth Plagueis taught him)
I'm form 0. "This is not the fight your looking for"
Just zip em with sith lighting and they don't won't get up
Exactly. We are space wizards. Who needs a sword.
@@timetravelingnecromancer1051 The sword is an implement of a wizard, reguardless of what Gygax and fantasy games have done for balance. Besides, lightsabers are made of pure space magic. You are right that the Jedi are over focused on the swords.
Yeah Palpatine thought lightsabers were just toys.
“You do not want this fight.”
Rey swings lightsaber wildly.
Shifu: *Now, there is level 0.*
Teenage white girls: what is your horoscope
Boys: what is your lightsaber form
Cmdr frosty r/notlikeothergirls
Form 2
Cmdr frosty that’s one way to get a date but I would rather know your midichlorian count, cuz if it’s low it’s a no go.
hahahaha!
Form 5
from 0, the form used by a person with little lightsaber experience but blessed by extensive plot armor
Nah finn
@@Sunnyjimbov2 to be fair you could tell he was just swinging randomly out of fear
Yeah when Rey woke up Finn straight up lost all combat knowledge and was owned by kylo ren
That would be Form 8. Form 0 is negotiation.
chjeremy oh like Rey. Ok I gotchu
Ironically, if Windu ever actually accepted Anakin he likely would have become his greatest disciple and likely would have done incredible as a true master of form 7. Not sure if George Lucas was intending that but he did often like dealing in cosmic levels of irony
I'm not so sure that things would have gone well if Windu attempted to train Anakin in the use of Vapaad. Given Anakin's mindset and arrogance, it's very likely that he would've fallen to the darkside much sooner as demonstrated by Sora Bulq's fall to the darkside being a result of his failure to fully understand and utilize the philosophy of Vaapad; rather than channeling the aggression of their opponent and reflecting it back at them, Bulq essentially regressed back to Juyo and utilized his own inner ferocity and emotions, as shown by him becoming a sadistic, barbarous individual after his fall to darkside. Since Anakin was shown to regularly resort to channeling the power of the darkside to fuel the power and ferocity of his attacks, it's very likely that attempts to train him in the use of Vaapad would only have resulted in him being mastered by his own emotions much, just as it happened to Sora Bulq.
@@foreignroninl1555 His dark side is indeed strong, but Windu would be able to teach him great discipline
Which would allow him to safely channel that dark side into a powerful array of attacks, without losing control to his emotions
Spartan War118 I don’t know. Mace Windu made it clear that only he would decide whom would get to learn Vaapad since everyone other than himself had failed to master the form and became corrupted by the dark side. I remember hearing that Anakin did approach Mace and expressed his desire to learn Vaapad, but the latter refused to train the former in the style on the account that his motivation clashed completely with the mindset of Vaapad. Mace had created and mastered Vaapad as a means of self control over his natural enjoyment for battle, but Anakin simply wanted to learn the style to become a more powerful lightsaber duelist, which is why Mace refused to train him.
@Frank Wharton-Hughes I can definitely see where you're coming from on your argument that the Jedi council's attempts to repress Anakin's emotions is what caused him to fall to the dark side, as it makes sense that council's attempts to essentially put a lid on Anakin's emotions would inevitably result in them figuratively boiling over and exploding.
However, after putting some thought into it I'm actually starting to think that both of our arguments may possibly be correct in the sense that the information covered in both of them had some hand in - or in the case of my argument, could've potentially had a hand in - Anakin's fall to the darkside. While it is true that repressing Anakin's anger and other emotions was responsible for his fall, I also see it as one side of the spectrum for him being consumed by his emotions. I can understand why you would think that Anakin could possibly learn to control his emotions if he trained under Windu in the Vaapad variant of Form VII lightsaber combat as it could be used as a way for him to vent his emotions, but I fear that this method of venting would only have sped up Anakin's fall even further due to his mindset and general approach to combat. Anakin is generally a very competitive individual who clearly felt incredibly thrilled whenever he was in the midst of combat, and his general combative approach often results in him dredging up his own emotions to fuel his lightsaber strikes, as demonstrated with his duels against Ventress and Dooku. It's due to these reasons that I fear that if Windu did try to teach Anakin in Vaapad, Anakin would essentially regress to using the Juyo variant of Form VII which capitalizes on the user dredging up their own emotions and ferocity to fuel their attacks, which is actually what happened to Sora Bulq when he attempted to master Vaapad - Bulq didn't channel the aggression of his opponents back at them like Windu did, but simply channeled his own aggression. My argument for this also stems from personal experiences, since I have also tried to find ways to vent personal frustrations but discovered that more aggressive methods actually failed to properly calm my emotions as effectively as more passive methods.
So in short, I can agree with your argument that Anakin's repression of his emotions was definitely responsible for his fall to the dark side and that he could possibly have learned to control his emotions through Vaapad and better counseling, but at the same time I feel that attempts to train him in Vaapad would risk him falling under the influence of Juyo and speed his descent into the dark side due to his more competitive nature and tendency to draw upon his own aggression in combat.
Frank Wharton-Hughes Also on the video’s topic of the different lightsaber forms, which form(s) would you consider training in and why?
Kit fisto:form 1
Dooku:form 2
Obi wan:form 3
Yoda: form 4
Anakin: form 5
Darth maul: form 6
Darth sidious: form 7
Rey: swinging lightsaber randomly
Dum dum here,dude maul is 7 and palpi is 6 were you listening?
no, rey is "natural skill" She used a quarter staff on jakku for self defense remember?
@@GamingWithCalvin1 it seems you are not informed well,go see shadiversity's video about rey
@@brachialtick6539 he's probably a hater, and I don't listen to haters
@@GamingWithCalvin1 first hes not an hater,hes a Medieval enthusiast and happens to know a lot about sword fighting.Second dont judge someone before even knowing anything about him.Thirdly,you can enjoy these new star wars but in a movie perspectice they are not good,except the 7.
Form 0. Just ride in on a Basilisk War Droid. "For Mandaloooorrrre!"
Elek!
Oya
This is the way
Technically, this could fall under the umbrella of form 0
Form 1: Determination (basic and instinctual)
Form 2: Contention (refined offense; for dueling)
Form 3: Resilience (efficiently defensive)
Form 4: Aggression (acrobatically offensive)
Form 5: Perseverance (base form 3 + added form 4)
Form 6: Moderation (conglomeration of previous forms; jack of all trades)
Form 7: Ferocity (form IV + dark side)
Anakin didnt use it to disarm, he used it to...
Dis-wrist
He used it to unhand Dooku
Really
You gotta HAND it to him.
@@taraskelton5634 *dad intensifies*
Dis Wrist Rocket
Bruce Lee would be awesome instructor of lightsaber combat, i can
practically hear it - Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless, like water
water can flow or it can crash
Bruce Lee - "Don't think. Feel."
@@jacenskywalker507 Sounds like something that a Jedi Master would say
Probably a Master of Form 2. Or more likely he would have created his own after mastering all of these and a bunch of other combat styles across the galaxy.
But Form 2 sounds most like his Base form.
Master Lee the first of the jedi.
The beginning really made me question if I clicked in the correct video.
It's a horrible intro for sure. It took 40 seconds for the words "lightsaber" or "Jedi" to even be mentioned.
Your audience should be able to have a rough idea on what the video is about in the first 30 seconds which definitely wasn't the case here.
@@matthewchampion8214 I thought it was an ad at the beginning specially with the music :v
I thought I had been trolled. I click off then one month later it pops up in my recommended, so I scrub through until the video finally has something to do with what I came for.
I thought it was an advertisement
Yeah, it got scary.
I'd like to invent Form 8, which is using the Force to drop your opponent's pants. When they try to pull their pants back up, you decapitate them. 😀
Actually there is a form called form 8 . It is sokan ,an ancient form that use your surrounding to gain an advantage retiring you to move until you get the perfect ground .
Guess who used it ? Obi wan , yes it is the "High ground" form .
Halare, ha ha ha😃
lol im interested
I'm form 7. Hope I live long enough to master it.
That's genius!
"...To disarm the opponent."
Shot of Count Dooku losing both hands.
Real subtle GT, real subtle. XD
That part made me chuckle. XD
Gotta love Kit Fisto’s smug smirk as he force pushed C-3PO
🤖 🖐️🤡
Except rey wasn't TRAINED or did any real training.
Swinging a lightsaber at a rock isn't training.
Matthew Wilhoit she used form 8: swinging around like a madman
Yeah she wields it like a fucking child.
@@leonardusrakapradayan2253 The "OMG I DON'T WANT TO DIE BUT I NEED YOU TO DIE WHY DIDN'T I SPEND TIME GETTING TRAINED?" form? Ah yes, a classic, that tends to get the user murdered unless they are decked head to toe in that lovely plot armor.
I think 15 years in a desert by yourself surrounded by scavenger scum is good training. Ask Obi-Wan.
A lightsaber isn't some mystical weapon only the super trained Jedi can use. That's why form 1 is even a thing it's literally just using it like a fucken sword it's so basic anyone can learn it. Even in our history it's shown how easy a sword is to use when farmers and peasants are recruited into the military. Man I feel like most people are so blinded by hatred they become idiots. Kinda poetic tho it's like star wars the dark side blinds you hahahahaha
Edit. Also if you even paid attention to the video at hand he even mentions that it was the first form because it was just a switch from metal swords to lightsabers.
"I'll try spinning that's a good trick"
I’ll try burning his dog, that’s a good trick
Grievous
form 4 moment
No matter how much you work on a form, you know that you'd just panic and swing it around if you had an actual lightsaber duel
Not if you practice so much it becomes muscle memory. As many martial artists spar to achieve the instinctiveness of proper fighting.
unless you're force snesitive
@King Leonidas THIS. IS. SPARTAA. holy shit king leonidas is fucking anakin skywalker
Well if that’s the case my opponent would also be panicking therefore it’s a tie because we both run away for fear of getting hit
Dumb take
My inner edgelord says form 7, but more realistically I'd say form 6 or form 1.
I think realistic would be either 3 ( the one that help you actually survive ) or Form 5 , good balance between offense and defense and help you finish it quickly .
@@rjayshaun
Yeah the problem with those who choose form 6 is that they use it as an excuse to not train and just rely on force powers when this form actually as a LOT of dedication practice and experience in the field .
@@stormbringer2840 More that it requires a lot of BRAINS actually. all other forms require their users to only rely on their training in fights, while form 6 requires their users to constantly THINK. you can't think fast enough to make a combination of tools on the fly, then you'd practically have nothing to rely on, & you bite the dust. good form 6 users know how to combine their tools well on the fly... which those dead ones at that battle apparently ain't...
@@FalconWindblader
Yes but improvisation come more naturally once you have had a lot of practical experience in the field , your brain connect the dots better when the situation isn't unexpected .
Darth Sidious may have been "an excellent Form 6 swordsman", but he was NOT the poster boy for Form 6. That honor belongs to Exar Kun.
Nah revan did it better.
I guess you said poster boy though so that's fair. Maybe Starkiller has a place there too.
Sidious thought lightsabers were childs toys tbh.
And probably the best user of Form 6 we see in the films is Darth Maul. His single-bladed action is obviously 7, but his usage of the double-bladed lightsaber? All Niman, baby.
Darth Sidious felt that lightsabers were beneath him given how powerful with the force he was
Form 8 - Its where you say “Hello There” to your enemy.
Form 9 - By using the force, you make your enemy answer back *”GENERAL KENOBI”* .
Form 10: HIGH GROUND!, Form Eleven: SAND!!!
I heard those lines not read them
Form 9 is also nicknamed "The Way of the Ceiling Fan"
Grievous cough so much his form is the stoner form.
you are a bold one
I tried form 3 with a toy lightsaber and have my friend shoot me with a nerf gun......(I failed)
It's okay, Jedi use the Force to predict the blaster path. Non force sensitives usually have to train for long periods of time to even achieve half of the skill.
I’d use Form V, specifically Shien. I like to fight defensive and learn my opponent’s style before countering and going on the offensive
Question, as a Shien specialist would you primarily be wielding your lightsaber in the standard grip or the reverse grip that is unique to the Shien variant of Form V?
ForeignRoninL definitely standard grip. Reverse may work for Ahsoka, but I’d have more control with a standard grip
Aaron Jackson Fair enough. Also would you consider studying a bit of Djem So or any of the other styles to cover more bases, or would you specialize entirely in the Shien variant of Form V?
You said earlier that you prefer to fight defensively and analytically before switching over to a more offensive approach when the time is right, thus I could also see some investment in Form III: Soresu, Form IV: Ataru, and even the Djem So variant of Form V being able to complement your prefered method of lightsaber combat.
Do you download their moves then three point saber combo?
TheKommunistKrusader What?
It took me far to long to remember that grievous has legs when you said he had 6 limbs
Palpatine-
“I’ll take your entire stock”
Grievous agrees
Form Nine: The Rey
Also called: The Form of the Sue
Basic moves: Beat a Sith the first time you turn on a lightsaber. Swing at a rock a few times.
Ben solo isn't a sith.
The most powerful form. It is said that the legendary technique "plot armor" can be learned with this form.
I know what her last name is, sue.Her name is Rey Sue.
S4ns and third wave feminism
Yeah kylon ten istnt a sith, neither are count dooku or snoke, because they don't have yellow eyes.
I'm personally a form two guy. The precise attacks and defense with finesse and without using too much energy as well as incorporating some maneuvers as a response to the opponent is very appealing
Form seven and six. Dark side and in Spain without the a
add form 3 and your unbeatable
I try using all seven rather effective if you think about it
I did a almost a year of fencing, yet I'd gladly choose form 3 or 5
Personally i like Form 5, as its focus on counters and quickly overwhelming the oppenent speak to me. I hate fighting, but if i have to, go at it fast, hard, and quick.
Ok hear me out, remaster Lego Star Wars game with each Jedi character having one of the seven forms each with different abilitys
Star wars and lego 🤷♂️👎
@@PpAirO5 it's treason then
@@padme1866.. Don't get me wrong, i like both star wars and lego, but not together.... and even worse are thise lego movies and games.
Lego star wars gonk Droid is part of my religion and you are protesting it's birth site
@@PpAirO5 ok do you understand
TLDW:
1. Versitile form
2. duelist form
3. Defensive form
4. Agile/aggressive form
5. Hybrid of 2, 3, 4
6. Broken/boring form
7. Berserker form
I wouldn't necessarily say that Shii Cho is a beginners form, look at Kit Fisto, he was by no means a beginner and he was one of the best Jedi duelists of his era. Nor would I say form 6 Is an advanced version of form 1, otherwise the aforementioned Kit Fisto would have used this, id say it's a Jack of all trades but a master of none type of form. It combines all the previous forms but doesn't come with any distinct advantages but no distinct disadvantages either, unless your name is Revan who mastered all the previous forms to such an extent he used Niman to such effectiveness. Other than those 2 I agree
@@psychoticpurse6579 form 6 is the form best incorporated by those who made extensive use of force powers or physical strikes, it's less so master of none than it is master of using something other than the saber, though aye Revan is basically an exception to that too.
@@psychoticpurse6579 i changed them
Funny comment. Form 6 isn't really cheating though for the average jedi cause usually in a duel the opponent will always have like a defebce against the force. If your medichlorian count is high enough though then sure. As for form 5, I definitely disagree on it being a combination of 2,3,4. To more of a mix of 3 and 1 if anything. Form 1 being called the balanced form is also a bit of a stretch, the form itself has plenty of weaknesses, and is honestly the worst when it comes to lightsaber dueling, but it's perfect for battlefield and blaster combat, so I'd call it versatile if you want something similar to balanced.
@@malmasterson3890 ok so what should i say for 1 and 6 that is one line worth?
Me: Im gonna get sleep tonight
Also me at 3 am: All light saber forms
Vento same
Relatable 😂😂😂
Me rn
Me at 3:24 am as I type and play the psp version of force unleashed om my other phone. 😁😁
Haha same me It's 3:35 now
I would use form 1, because I'd be too lazy too learn another form.
Then use form 0. Form 0 is just.. talking... negotiate.. diplomatic talks.
@@lilevevo
That would be too tiresome,
I'd rather just cut their hand off and go about my day.
I would learn form 1, 2, 3, and 7
Sammmmme
@@lilevevo.. If you don't master the ways of negotiation... psycology, and culture, maybe you won't live to see the next day.... unless you had a lightsaber and the force as a "backup". Form 0 would always be prefered, and the best way to get around conflicts, without the use of physical force.
Hey Kit Fosto used form 1! :D
"Rey used it too."
Oh god no. :((((((((((((((
Rey and Finn used form 0. The 'Gary/Mary Sue' form of bad movies.
@@Warhammered Yeah, no one in those movies is a trained sword wielder.
I think they made a mistake, in order to use a form you first have to be trained in it, which she was not, she just swung it around like her staff.
@@KnightsWithoutATable Ben sure as fuck isn't. The instant you go on the offensive, he's helpless.
And somehow she beat a trained Kylo Ren with no experience.
I feel like switching between two and five as needed would be extremely effective
I think 6 and 5 would be slightly more effective. If a third needed to be focused on I'd say 3
How about seven and three
Technically 6 as it covers all of the 5 previous... However specifically i'd agree with you.... add a little Form 7 in and you're unbeatable
I'm a sucker for Duelling so it would have to be Form 2, but i would also consider learning Form 5 on the side to cover my weakness.
Form 5 Djem So then. It's a combination of form 2 and 3
That is the beauty of the light saber forms though. You don't have to learn a specific one, you could focus on one but also take teaching and techniques from the other forms to truly make a style that is most comfortable for you.
I'd go for form 4 and 7 because a good offense is the best defense
i would do the same but instead of form 5 i would use form 3 to cover weakness because form 2 would make you a great duelist and form 3 would help in a battle against multiple foes or blasters
Threxer funny enough, I'd do an inverse, form 5 as my primary and form 2 as my secondary to help with both footwork and more precise attacks. IRL I've dabbled in European fencing, what form 2 was inspired by, and self trained in longsword and kendo, what form 5 was inspired by, and while I've had more legitimate training in fencing and sparred quite often in the form with others, I prefer the longsword and kendo style as it feels more natural and better control to me, hence my reason for form 5 primary and form 2 as secondary.
I'd use a stormbolter "form"
Don't bring a glowstick to a mass reactive explosive rocket fight...
the Jurgen shot him/her/it form would be great agints force users.
When in doubt, heavy thunder hammer it out
"WHAT IS THIS GLOWSTICK!?" *chainsword sounds intensify*
@Cody Brock except in multiple cases they couldn't stop solid projectiles with the force, because once already fired it moved too quickly for their focus
@Cody Brock that was a blaster bolt, which move slower than solid rounds for dumb space magic reasons. Also, I don't think we should use the guy who literally couldn't tap into more dark side power because he was feeling too bad (worst dark jedi ever) as the argument of force user vs Astartes
Your form does not give you and advantage,
*the high ground does*
LMAO
*Holds Lightsaber backwards like Starkiller*
"Im going to cut myself in half :D"
“The jack of all trades is the master of none”
- Generation Tech, 2019
Shaunak Joshi that’s...the point. Whoever said that I think is dumb
The full quote is jack of all trades master of none but better then a master of one
I mean it's not their quote
Rey doesn’t have a form. She looks like a child holding a heavy lightsaber lol
Now, I'm not picking apart what you said....but you wouldn't think of a lightsaber being heavy.
Actually there is a video that states that she uses the same style as Palpatine. That, as we know now, makes sense.
Arlen Carlson Palpatine mastered all forms
@@arlencarlson yeah, no. Who taught her juyo then? Palpatine was a master of all seven forms, but preferred juyo. Rey just swung at a rock. Since the sequels are completely inept, we never got to see who taught her lightsaber forms. Not luke. Because we all know he just sat there whining and drinking green milk
A "heavy" lightsaber LOL.
My favourite forms:
Form I (Shii-cho)
Form III (Soresu)
Form V (Shien/Djem so)
Form VI (Niman)
If i should chose only one form, it would most likely be Soresu or Niman.
I am not much of an aggresor.. so a good defence (3), or a well balanced combat style (6) would be perfect for me.
Form nine, way of the dead or alive, involves excessive spinning right round to get your baby right round
I’m Form 8...
It’s the one where you have the high ground
Ah but I am the high ground
@@anonymous5t565 lool
AHAHA
Obi One mastered this form to the point that wherever he stands IS the high ground.
The best way I've personally heard for V described is that, rather than waiting for an opening, form V forcibly create one
From what I've seen of Obi-Wan is that form 3 is redicioulesly powerful in the right hands.
David Jacobs Absolutely. While i don’t think his stance his practical in actual sword play, in saber dueling he was able to conserve so much energy and was an absolute tank.
@@cmrobbins88 he defeated 2 of the 4 most powerful force users in the galaxy with that form including beating one multiple times. Maul had huge potential as a sith. Plus he defeated the guy that killed hundreds of jedi.
Obi Wan is FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR from the most powerful force user but hes proof it's not the size of the midichlorian count but the motion of the saber that matters.
You wont kill obi wan in a fight. Best wait until he chooses to die
Yeah imagine trying to break someones guard just to have every attack blocked parried or deflected for like 5 minutes straight you’ll probably start thinking fuck this im just gonna start swing cause this is bs
Im form 8, I just strike myself with the lightsaber.
Sounds like 2 and 7 is my style.
If i'm just chill, I'd rather calculate my attacks.
If I'm itching for a fight (or too passionate, which I can very much see happening.) Then 7 will turn on my more offensive side. Form 4 sounds way too physically exerting, but I think combining 4 and 7 will make one extremely dangerous fighter. Yet...very easy to eventually take advantage of- assuming the other opponent doesn't get overwhelmed by the wrathful attacks and lasts long enough to find an opening.
I’d use form 2,6 and 7. Form 6 covers the previous forms, form 2 adds a bit of practicality when dueling and form 7 allows for an excellent fallback
Same but with five instead of two. No finesse. All power, emotion, and spinning an excessive amount to confuse my opponent
Form 1 And form 6 are for me
I’m having my enemy think they know what I’m to do only for me to strike them off guard
However I’m fairly simplistic and all over when offensive but still in doing so gives me a upper hand
Well, probably Form 1. But if I were to truly study and apply myself, I would probably make the attempts to master Form 5a, Form 6, and Form 7. Forms 2 and 3 would follow the others eventually depending on how far I got, but the only forms I would not dedicate myself to would be 4 and 5b. I am too low energy for maintained assault tactics of 4, and I am not physically powerful enough to make for 5b worthwhile. Defensive forms and clever counterattack forms would be my forte. And honestly, Form 2 would be only something I learned to better develop my Forms 6 and 7 skills for 1v1 duels. It is otherwise too restricting and single-track oriented to make good use of it.
"Very little training". REY HAD NO TRAINING PRIOR TO THE LAST JEDI. Unless you subscribe to the theory that Rey is a Sith spy.
And even then, she never got proper lightsaber or force training.
@@James35142 I mean, han and maz tried to open her to the force, as well as anakins saber clearly choosing her as its new owner. plus kylo was wounded really badly, luke also managed to blow up death star by using the force without being trained, they used the same idea to make rey win against wounded kylo.
@@simonuser one lucky shot vs being powerful enough to do a mindtrick without knowing of its existence. Kylo was wounded, but managed to destroy a stormtrooper trained to fight from birth but gets beat by Rey who should not be even close to Finn
@@adityabhalekar3506 i mean she was very force sensitive, and Finn already made him tired, also, the mind trick, she must have heard story’s about the Jedi,
@@simonuser she literally thought Luke Skywalker was myth, there's no way she could know the Jedi abilities especially something as small as the mind trick. He beat Finn in about 2 seconds, so he was absolutely not tired and Rey being force sensitive= nothing
I would seek to master Both Form V (Shien variant) for dueling and Form III (Soresu) to deal with groups and blaster armed foes. Would use a Purple bladed Crossguard Lightsaber. May also consider trying to develop a custom unorthodox saber form using an arm shield projector.
I hope in the next fallen order Cal starts to understand the various lightsaber forms, adding an even more calculated approach to certain situations...kinda like jin Saki learned the 4 different stances in GOT
I'd like to be like Darth Bane
Learn Djem So as my primary
But also have a solid background in Soresu for defensive work
If fallen order ever gets a sequel/ succesor, I want it to be more focused on (saber & force) combat and less on exploration. Just learning different styles and using them in combat seems so cool and adds a layer of complexity to a game.
For me, when I’m calm, I’d be form 1, cause I have no real form. I’d end up winging it with a mixture or random basic movements. But whenever I get angry, I’d move into form 7.
Honestly I'm split between forms 5 and 6. Guess I'll learn them both.
Hey Generation tech may i suggest next video you should show why there are only 7 forms. why not make new forms through the years of the Jedi order especially of its weaknesses
In Legends Luke´s order battlemaster (Kyle Katarn) developed 3 different forms.
I've done some longsword and have a potential answer. It's less about the Jedi and more about practical weapon usage - these forms exist because they're the ones that work. Similarly, the guards and styles used in martial arts are the ones that function well.
Example - why do we sometimes hold knives in reverse grip, but never swords (in practical sparring, at least)? It's because the more limited range is fine in grapples and it adds options that just aren't useful for swords. It also sacrifices defence that knives don't have in the first place, but is vital in fencing.
Some things work. Some things don't.
@@justrobin8155 I would like to follow on this - consequetly you get people on the internet telling that using lighsaber as a longsword is wrong that it should be used as a rapier...
that forgets that lightsaber is also not a rapier. It can equally work well as a club.
in any and all circumstances it can be used as all three + deflect and reflect incoming energy projectiles...
One can be in armor that is at least partialy efficient (thanks Tim Zahn again :-) (Qui gon took longer to melt blast door the regular door) thus in that cases clubbing trough defences might be better then just small nabs like with rapier.
each style favours some situation more then other. (Niman being the exception I guess) and thus more styles are required.
@@Paerigos You're right. Effectively, I think we should just look at a lightsaber as an insanely versatile melee weapon. I compare it to longsword because it's cut-and-thrust and my area of training, but it could just as easily be used as... anything, really.
The obvious advantage to this is that a well trained combatant could switch styles completely in a blink. Think if how cool this could make fights. An initial rapier-like duel is interrupted, and the combatants are forced to switch to longsword techniques in order to face multiple opponents. Then, when faced with an armored opponent, their stance becomes very aggressive - they dodge with their Force abilities for defense and drop their saber guard for an onslsught like that of a bludgeon.
Not only is it more practical - it's cool as hell.
@@Paerigos Saying it shouldn't be used as a longsword also forgets what Form 5 is based on from the real world. I'm part of a local lightsaber group as well as a longsword group. What you learn in longsword (for the most part) translates straight over to Djem So. It uses almost all of the same techniques and footwork
I would master Form 1 and get a little of Form 3
Form 1 to put my heart in each move while attacking in a way that's not easy to predict
Form 3 to both defend and wear down opponents before closing in to finish the job with Form 1
The Separatists (Star Wars EU/Legends) vs The Covenant (Halo).
The Covenant has no chance.
Joe Kerr i agree. To many clankers XD
Joe Kerr The flood would wipe everything out 😂
@@satio2106 thats racist you can't say the c word
Star Drift Ah sorry i wrote this 7 months ago when I had yet to learn of droid-racism. I am therefore truly sorry
Form 2 was essentially created because Christopher Lee was a duelist in real life.
If i was a Jedi, i would be a practitioner of form 6, Nimon. Form 6 was used by Jedi who dedicated less time into their lightsaber training to focus more on the nature of the force and their use of it. This is why he brings up that Jedi using form 6 would typically use things like force push during combat. Form 6 gives you a balanced and solid defense in lightsaber combat without demanding too much of your time. This is what made it the favored form of diplomatic Jedi who would rather use their words over their blade.
I mainly use form 1 then form 5 once later into the duel, as form 1 is very easy to use and gives a good base to work out your opponents style. Then form 5 as an aggressive medium incorporating some Soresu if in the defensive
Form 3 sounds right up my alley, I like to take things slow, to think about what I am doing and do it slowly but properly and move on, as Master Sinube would say "the good thing about moving slow is that you can always clearly see the road ahead"
I took a lightsaber form quiz a few times and got Makashi and Niman. I like dueling and being ready for any situation. So I guess those are my personality. I'm a strong man so form 5 would be good I think. I also value a high defense in soresu, I love Darth Zannahs technique. I'm patient. I think my top 3 would be forms 2, 3, and 5 or just 2 and 5.
imagine something like this integrated into the fallen order sequel
I enjoy your videos man, you seem like a cool guy to just nerd out with.
"rey" "gifted" and "Jedi" does NOT belong in the same sentence shes neither a jedi nor gifted in any form
Rey is not a gifted jedi.
Give me form 6. I may not be a master at anything in particular (except using the force because that's bread and butter) but I like having a response to any problem
Exactlyyyy it's such an underrated form because people say "you're good at many but a master of none" but if you work hard enough you can end up being a master of all. A perfect defense and offense will lead to a win every time 😤😂
I remember reading about these in guide books and then telling my friends cause i was the one that had the most knowledge of star wars
lol
As someone who loves the badass feel of form 2, I can honestly say I'd most likely be a form 6 practitioner as it's the one that is useful for keeping yourself alive in most situations.
Except when you actually have to fight someone. Seriously Form 6 in most of what I've seen is more focused on force connection, diplomacy and martial techniques for self control/physical discipline than actual combat. Every single user of it died in the battle of Geonosis. I'd actually recommend Form V Djem So for most situations. It has defensive, offensive and countering techniques. Sure its not as good as 2, 3 or 4 in their specfic areas (dueling, defending or mobile battles) but it is better than each in their weaker areas (better in mobile battles/defense than 2, better in duels than 3 and better in defending than 4).
Best way I ever saw it put was that the forms are linked to the evolution of the Jedi order. Form 1 was the start learning to adapt sword fighting techniques to lightsabres. Form 2 evolved during the Sith/Jedi wars to battle 1 on 1 with other force users as that was common. Form 3 evolved after the Jedi/Sith Wars to counter multiple opponents using blasters and other weapons as fights against force users were rare and they almost never had a ligthsabre.
Form 4 and 5 came about during the Mandalorian wars when form 3's focus on defence became a detriment as you'd be facing large volumes of fire from armies and thus you'd tire before they did rather than smaller groups you could outlast. They each took a different approach to introduce more agressive elements. Form 4 tried to use the varying terrain to jump and flip behind enemy formations to attack them from an unexpected direction. Form V retained much of 3's defensiveness and depending on strain either repurposed it to turn enemy blaster bolts against them (rather than simple deflection) and powerful attacks to beat down an opponent or incorporated some of 2's counters and dueling along with reflecting blaster fire. Also yes in full out war especially against force users Form 5 Shien or Form 4 might be a better option than Form 5 Djem So. However for general use they willl both tire you out faster as they have a lot of active movement or heavy attacks.
Form 6 and 7 both came about in an attempt to adapt and refine the previous 5 forms into a new one that best incorporated their elements but then split on where the users wanted to go. Form 6 which became the standard form reflected the Jedi orders new role as mediators and diplomats being used primarily to train the body and teach self discipline more than for actual combat potential. Form 7 on the other hand tried to incorporate the best offensive techniques and potential to create an unpredictable and powerful fighting technique. It however had 2 issues the main one from the Jedi perspective was drawing on passion and a love of combat it had a very high chance of causing someone to fall or at least resort to agressive negotiation when it wasn't in their view the best choice. Secondly the high attack nature could tire you out faster than other techniques. Its why Vaapad (Windu's variant) was only used by Windu because every other user had wound up falling to the darkside (though admitedly its a small sample being his apprentice and one other).
So yes in my opinion Form 1 is good for training the basics, Form 2 is best for 1 vs 1 against other lightsabre wielding force users, form 3 is best for defense, form 4 is best for mobile battles or fights against entrenched forces you need to get behind, form 5 shien is best for bigger fighters who want to beat down weaker opponents, form 5 Djem So is the best all arounder though it loses to other forms in their areas, form 6 is best for those who use lightsabre techniques to train their bodies but focus more on non-combat resolutions to situations and form 7 is the best offensive form but has a high chance of causing the user to lose control or fall.
@@liamwarner5749 couple things. First and honestly the one a care about the least, exar kun was a niman specialist so something's screwy with the timeline you provided. Second there is some truth to niman being the lightsaber form for people who don't want to spend a lot of time on lightsabers. But that is not indicative of the form's capabilities in the hands of a dedicated combative force weilder. It's a low skill floor high skill ceiling kind of thing. Due to its jack of all trades nature wach application is unique but they generally fall under 2 catagories (credit to evannova95 for coining the terms)
There's diplomats niman which is those who use it to cover there bases while the develop other skills. This is used by people like plagus and caedus and more lazily by most jedi of the clone wars era.
Then there's battlemaster's niman which is a whole nother beast. It's an extreamly aggressive and proactive version that relies on constantly switching gears to keep your opponent off balance and catch them slipping by being wild and unpredictable. Best examples are darth krayt and exar kun. Kun would pull shit like rapidly switching length and power settings on his lightsaber, switching from single to double bladed, and from blade to force powers at a moment's notice to keep his opponent off balance. Niman has an answer to everything and Battlemaster's niman leverages this to dictate the tempo of a fight in such a way it's almost like you're bullying your opponent.
Lastly djem so is not as versatile as you think though it's better than most. First of all it relies on being physically strong which sucks for people like myself who can't bulk up due to genetics( seriously it's a thing, just built lean). Second it's flat footed by necessity because you need to be grounded to get more strength into your swings and this makes it struggle against mobile fighters like Ataru practitioners. Finally it was actually developed to account for the percieved weaknesses of form 3 but honestly I think that's overblown because plenty of soresu masters have vicious counter attack sequences. Case and point obi wan in revenge of the sith. The only real difference is form 5 is strength reliant and a bit more proactive where form 3 is reactive.
@@thomasmcgraw8778 Ok in order.
1) Quite possibly I'm not enough of a fan to be sure about it one way or another just liked the comparison for the evolution of forms in line with the jedi. I also imagine there's been a lot of retconing over the years. I had that timeline given to me prior to episode 1's release.
2) This is actually I've heard about a battle form of form 6. Every time I saw or read something about it previously was in relation to Jedi who used it primarily because ligthsabres were part of their image as it where but who's real skills lay in other areas (negotiation, force connection, etc) and as I said a special mention of all users in the arena of Geonosis dying.
3) I agree both variants of form 5 are more aimed at strength body types. My personal opion was form 4 and 5 grew out of 3's focus on defense. Form 4 focusing on agility and 5 on strength. I actually consider form 7 the most versatile but with the risk for a jedi of falling.
4) my personal tastes actually run more to 3 or 2 than form 5. Just giving my opinion mainly because of what I'd heard about form 6 every time it cropped up. Stopped reading the books before Krayt I shall have a look into this battle focused form 6 you speak of.
@@thomasmcgraw8778 So I took a look at various sources and they still agree with me. Niman is just not suited to large scale combat or duels against other lightsabre users. High tier users generally seem to be considered to have gone beyond it to develop their own personal style and there's no mention of a "battle Niman" at all. Exar Kun on wookiepedia actually gets a special mention of having abandoned the core concepts of moderation for the form in favour of a more aggressive and vicious variant. Sort of Like Windu developed Vapaad from the more general Juyo but is still considered a form 7 user.
So I'm willing to conceed you can have a very dangerous and skilled "form 6 user" but the form and what it teaches is actually the worst lightsaber form for combat until you reach the point of creating your own style from it. However to reach that stage is largely dependant on an individuals ability and creativity to develop their own workable techniques. If you don't have that ability you will always be at a disadvantage compared to other styles. Here's part of the wookiepedia article . . .
" While the generalization made it ill-suited for lightsaber dueling or fighting on the open battlefield, it was perfectly adequate for facing down criminals and thugs."
On the upside it does seem to promote the most use of force powers in combat and any high tier user like Kun would generally have an advantage the first time they fought someone as you wouldn't know any general forms or techniques to help predict their movements.
@@liamwarner5749 I believe I said this. Most people who use it pick it up as an easy way of having something flexible so they can focus on other things. Dedicated combat focused force users usually do some form of hybridization to compensate for their preferred style's deficiencies. Off the top of my head I can think of 4 top tier single form purest (Yoda, dooku, sidious, and arguably windu) who don't practice niman because the other forms just aren't universally applicable. Meanwhile meanwhile those who actually practiced niman and cared to hone their skills were almost always monsters with the blade. Revan, exar, krayt, caedus, all of these guys chose niman to specialize in and all of them saw vast amounts of every type of combat. And yes they put their own spin on it but that's niman. It's a hybrid from so when people actually put time into it it will result in unique applications. To me this indicates the shortcomings it appears to have isn't a problem with the form but the people it often attracts.
And the diplomat's niman vs battle masters niman distinction isn't one that's common place in the larger sw community. As I said it's an invention of a youtuber named evannove95 to generalize the two most common paths. Diplomats is more passive and all about looking for opportunities to break out alternative skills while battlemaster's seeks to dictate the flow of the fight by spamming an overwhelming amount of different things and forcing the opposition to adjust. I can try and find his clip of it for you because he has a lot of content and there's no dedicated video. But my point is that niman isn't inherently weak in high intensity situations, it's just that the common jedi who practices it isn't a dedicated warrior.
Logically, form 1. Basic balanced. Have to learn it anyway might as well stay in practice, form 3 for defence against blasters and if you come across a melee opponent to wear them down. Form 6. Control the field and steer it till you bring out the second blade to finish the job. 6 and 3 work together and 1 adds the power when needed.
Don Murphy true but as we learn in kotor 2 makashi is the best for 1v1 Jedi combat, the most logical choice for the average Jedi vs sith fight
Every single form after 1 has 1 in them by default, as that is the most basic of lightsaber combat & every other form is built from there. so if you're using a lightsaber, there's really no need to single out for 1 for specific purposes. it ain't stated in the video, but unlike every form from 2 to 7, where they're specific mindsets or philosophies to them, form 1 is just telling you where to hit, how to hit & how to parry or block--basically just how to use a sword. it's just pure swordsman moves that would work with ANY sword. HOW you wanna be using those basics, that'd be entirely up to you.
From what i remember of the Book of Sith, Sith only have 2 fighting styles, fast and strong styles. The latter being the preference for almost all of them. Darth Bane's apprentice, however, used fast style with much more regularity.
Form 4 and 5 for single wielding, form 6 for duel wielding.
I'd have a blue and a green lightsaber and be a Mandalorian from clan Kryze.
Damn, Form IV (Ataru) mixed with Dual Wielding (Jar'Kai) technique sounds dangerous to face.
As an hotedeaded reckless man, form seven sounds like a seamless fit for me. To channel my own emotions into my attack to increase their weight is something i would certainly do.
which type?
but Im more of a Juyo duelist
Form I Shii Cho can be just as aggressive and reckless in the hands of a master.
Rey’s lightsaber form is Mary Sue
It is. It really is though
From my experience with fencing, I can confidently say I would use the more aggressive type of Form V. Which is probably how I managed to draw blood despite padding and a blunted sword . . . two maybe three times.
Hats off for that feat, more preferring 2 and 7 and 4 myself, a good use of inherent bloodlust and energy and some ok backup for when I get tired or bored. I'd prefer a shield if blasters got involved tho
Allen, I think you are a chaotic neutral who would utilize all 7 forms to the best of your abilities.
He's a jack of all trades
Or forms
I like Form V. It's essentially Form II and Form III rolled into one package. I think it also fits my personality of analyzing situations mixed with less waiting and more doing.
Maybe y'all could do a video that takes the different personality profiles and matches them to the different forms of lightsaber combat.
I really enjoy your videos. Keep it up and keep 'em coming!
no form 2 is all about grace and finesse and exposing weaknesses form 3 is all about blocking parrying and wearing your opponent down form 5 is literally none of that and more about brute strength and an overwhelming amount of strikes that youre opponent can not block its all offense and no defense so how is form 5 a mix of 2&3
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"[Form V] was created by swordsman who saw the Form III defensive stance as far too passive. Form III, however, was still very relevant because of the massive amount of blaster fire that could usually be found on the battlefield. But the Jedi wanted to add offensive capabilities in order to shorten the length of a fight. The sword masters drew from Form II's more offensive dueling aspirations and also included several power moves to Form V." - Alan
Watch the video from 9:00 to 10:32. Alan does a great job of explaining the relevancy of Form II and Form III in Form V.
@@techheadiv The sword masters drew from Form II's more offensive dueling aspirations and also included several power moves to Form V.
That's talking about philosophy, NOT moves. 2 is all about precision while 5 is all about power. they're both offensive-minded, but works VERY differently in practical situations. movesets between those 2 won't even look similar in the least. & btw, form 5 sucks in defending against multiple opponents--a tradeoff made by diverting almost all stamina & focus to deal with that ONE thing or guy in front of you.
Form 5, alternating between both schools of thought. Apex animals may get all the glory, but I prefer the role of creatures that come to the aid of others; and have the power to control the outcome-- especially when faced with an apex.
10:53 with captions
I thought this was a kid friendly channel
BoyOfAwe it’s called form 69
*FORM FOUR* as used by Yoda is also known as _the Sonic form._ And like Yoda the practitioner strives to be a disturbingly haired CGI character.
I’m form II, and it’s very hard to defend against form III, which is what a lot of my friends who don’t generally play with swords and such use when we duel. Idk if there’s anyone who actually practices their lightsaber combat skills, but do y’all have any tips for blocking and/or defending against form III
Niman aka form 6. The battle master. Not the diploma. You also have a high chance of learning form 7.
When dark Vader attached the Jedi Temple his hardest fight they was with the Jedi sword master. A Niman battle master.
I prefer Schii-Cho aka Form I.
niman is only useful if you master the 5 previous forms, most form 6 practitioners aren't main duelists, only reason people like revan, sidious, and exar kun can use form 6 is because they mastered the other forms (even though palpatine mainly used juyo).
@@meetra5073 When it was taught on it's own Niman was a quick set of skills that Consulars mights have used if they were forced to fight. But mastering it took st least 10 years. Attaining level of a master in a form (not true mastery, but let's say black belt, 1 dan - or something alike) took around 2 years for each of 5 previous forms (If person worked very hard). That's my there were few true masters of form 6, since to master it meant intimate knowledge of forms 1-5. And even more then they it was personalized to nth degree. In the olden times if you've learned all 7 forms (Juyo was also difficult - even sith weren't big on going into frenzy that would kill couple of Jedi, only to be sliced, when a Master came into a fight - it required immense balance of ferocity and control) you were called Battlemaster. Kao Cen-Darach was such person and his Niman wasn't the same as the one used by diplomats. And Revan and Palpatine are both kind of OP. They can use whichever style they wanted. Palpatine knew all 7, Revan definitely knew first 5, hence why he was thought to be Niman practitioner - only he arrived to it, by molding 5 forms into 1. I am not certain what was his ability in Form 7. He definitely knew of it and knew how to fight it, but his level of mastery is a mystery :D
@@jannegrey593 was that meant to be to me or ronald? lol cause that's what i was saying just a more condensed version, only a few people truly mastered all 7 forms, i am pretty sure yoda did and i know for sure palpatine did. Like i was saying those 3 people i mentioned were the most notable of form 6 because they had mastered the first 5 forms
@@meetra5073 Yes I was confirming what you said and run a little bit long. It was for Ronald, my mistake - he didn't think Consulars used Niman, because it was so powerful, so I just said there is Niman and Niman. I apologize for replying to wrong person, and for the length of my comment. I hope you didn't take offense.
I would use form Six, but periodically switch my expertise between all the forms during the fight to keep my opponent off balance until I can find a safe area to strike.
I would ues form 5 3 2 and 4 into my specialization but if back into a wall I would rely on form 6 7 and 1 if needed
Form 3 and 5. Love mixing up offensive and defense 💚
I'm most likely a Form 4, but I'd probably have a combination of 3, 4, and 5.
ayy form 4 ftw